from:"Pedro M."


Memorandum for the Establishment of an International Renewable Energies
Agency (IRENA)

http://www.eurosolar.org/publications/memo_IRENA_eng.html

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Re: [biofuel] transporting ethanol


We, in Spain, in the Liberalization, uses the Dominant Operator pipelines
( CLH  ) because the Law says that anyone can use it.

This is, so an important point for real liberalization that you need in your
country ;)

All the best.


Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolfero
La solucin a sus problemas energticos.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] transporting ethanol


 I see several problems with transporting ethanol by
 pipeline... the biggest being that for all practical
 puposes the pipeline capacity is already owned by
 the oil companys. Why on earth would they feel
 compelled to forgo the revenues of tranporting thier
 own product for a competing resource.

 Building new pipelines for the ethanol would take a
 massive expenditure and years of time to complete.
 I also doubt that there is enough distillation
 capacity to justify construction of dedicated ethanol
 pipelines.

 The problem of dehydration, and other contamination
 problems are moot unless there existed excess pipeline
 capacity.

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Re: [biofuel] EU urges states to apply car fuel economy data law


Spain. What a surprise !. I thought the spanish goverment was helping to
the consumer instead of to the big petrol enterprises   ;DDD

But, we need more than information form the European Union. We need lower
prices for renewable energy ( diesel instead of gasoline ) vehicles and the
lowest for the no-pollution ones ( electricity and so on ) vehicles.

Nowadays, we have no here so pro-renowable vehicles matriculation tax law ;)


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[biofuel] IRENA


Memorandum for the Establishment of an International Renewable Energies
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Re: [biofuels-biz] RFI

2001-07-27 Thread Pedro M.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  frank 

  To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com 

  Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 4:38 
  PM
  Subject: [biofuels-biz] RFI

  All. I live in California and am trying to spread the use of 
  bio-diesel. 
  Petrol companies won«t help you in this ;)
  I recently ran into an issue: The diesel fuel regulations that are 
  curretnly in place and the new ones on the drawing board. As I undestand 
  them, the big issue is sulfur. Current Ca. regs allow 150ppm..the new 
  ones go down to 5ppm. Does anyone knowthe sulfur content of 
  bio-diesel [b20]? Is it determined only by the petro-diesel componet of 
  the bio-diesel?
  If can help I send you a standar«s page 
  http://www.biodiesel-intl.com/standards_e/haupt.htm

  All the best. Peter. 

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Re: [biofuel] Why biofuels ???


You have defined yourself by saying these things without rational arguments,
but it«s ask for too much

Be polite and we can dialoge interesting things and be more personally rich
in culture.

But, be sure I like to look for the true and nobody ( because of money
interests, corporation interests and so on ) will can kill my voice.

- Original Message -
From: Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Why biofuels ???


 It's a con job. Are you always going to be stupid?
 - Original Message -
 From: Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:18 PM
 Subject: [biofuel] Why biofuels ???


  It has just been created nuclear-fossil-dangers in
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nuclear-fossil-dangers where we can send
 post
  about the new energy politics and their dangers, like a base for an
  alternative answer : the biofuels, biodiesel and renowable energy.
 
  A place for deep questions ;)
 
  All the best.
 
 
 
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Re: [biofuel] Where direct the money

- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Where direct the money

 They respond to polls, up to a point.

 Know your enemy, it's said. Chairman Mao (Chairperson Mao?) said
 My enemy's enemy is my friend. I find that obnoxious, but it
 probably works okay. You say nuclear-fossil industries, but are
 they really that close? I don't know if they are or not.

 Mark Moody Stuart, CEO of Shell, is a main mover behind the G8
 Renewables initiative (which I think Bush has opposed). Shell,

Does shell sell biodiesel in all its petrol-stations ??. I don«t know,
because shell it«s not a head company in my Land.

and
 BP,

BP . BP has impugned the Biodiesel exempton in my land Spain :-( Really,
the Petrol companies have sometimes double face.

I cannot sell biodiesel in Spain, between another thing, because the
Goverment doesn«t want to give the exemption because the petrol companies
have impugned it in the Courts.

Because of this, I love heard anothers«oponions ( not like another Hitler«s
minded persons ), because I rich my personality with other data.

have both been investing heavily in renewables (though with much

 Are Big Oil and
 nukes really such good friends? I don't think they have such a lot in
 common.

No, for sure they are not good friends, but at least Big Oils in my land (
straight petrol companies, to name them differently from Shell and another
biodiesel friend companies ???  - biodiesel friend company it«s this one
that sell biodiesel in its fuel-stations - ) don«t sell biodiesel and hold
oligopolistic laws.

Nukes and Petrol are TRADITIONAL energies. Renowable are too named
ALTERNATIVE energies.

Because of this biodiesel it«s different ( alternative ) to nuclear-fossil
( traditional ) energy ;) . Traditional energy it«s the big part ( in
umber  ) of the energy used.

This is an important part of the kernel of the question.

In any case, I think it«s important that a straight biodiesel oil company
( this is, a company that ONLY sells biofuels ) would be participating in
this Renowable Energy G8 Tasks Force.

Though, as Todd pointed out, the nuclear industry is a heavy
 user of fossil energy (and thus isn't at all carbon-free).

Another argument to call them nuclear-fossil ;) like the same thing.

 It should be possible to get some support for the idea of a UN
 Renewable Energy Agency, get a campaign going. Saying (as you did)
 that there's already an Atomic Energy Agency is a good argument for
 it. Hard work though.

 Best

Thank you my friend. But think this is a common ( group ) task too ;)

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Re: [biofuel] Nuclear

- Original Message -
From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Nuclear

 Why is it that most things American on this list are automatically named
as
 'EVIL'?

What are you saying ??. I think in America there is two ways for energy
politics ( and in the World too ) : nuclear-fossil and renowable.

Nuclear-fossil it«s not the american culture XDD

I think that amercian nuclear-fossilers are so hatable (hate-able)  like
non-american nuclear-fossilers

--
Peter,  doing the evil«s paper with petrol-nuclear industry ;)
http://www.opec.org/

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Re: [biofuel] Have energy-efficiency, will travel and educate


What can we do to help to appear biodiesel in the The Airstream trailer
. Perhaps an american ( straight ) biodiesel company can sponsor some
gallons for demostrations ( perhaps, the company  would recieve publicity
and subscribe contracts with local companies ?? )
??

In any case, perhaps we, biodieselers and specially biodiesel companies, can
organize similar for Biodiesel, if necessary.  It«s very important the
truck-trailer must be powered by biodiesel ;-)

Like said in another mine posts, Biodiesel must be know like alternative
energy to nuclear-fossil energy ;) and we, biodieselers,  have a great paper
there.

All the best.

-
Biodiesel success it«s a everyday action.

- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 8:16 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Have energy-efficiency, will travel and educate


 No biodiesel! :-(

 http://inq.philly.com:80/content/inquirer/2001/07/25/business/ENERGY25.htm

 Wednesday, July 25, 2001
 Have energy-efficiency, will travel and educate

 The Airstream trailer in which three energy-efficiency tour members
 stay has solar panels on the roof that power the refrigerator and air
 conditioner. (VICKI VALERIO / Inquirer Staff Photographer)By Thomas
 J. Brady
 INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

 America's Energy Future Tour stopped off at City Hall yesterday to
 demonstrate fuel-efficient and alternative-energy vehicles and
 appliances.

 The purpose of the tour is to help consumers understand energy
 choices and the effect they can have on the environment. It is billed
 as a counterpoint to President Bush's energy plan that would include
 new oil and gas exploration in the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge
 and other federal lands, and expanded use of coal and nuclear energy.

 Among the exhibits are hybrid-fuel vehicles, a solar-powered
 Airstream trailer, energy-efficient appliances, fuel cells, and
 demonstrations of wind power. There is even a solar-powered laptop
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[biofuel] Clear Energy


Biodiesel it«s not a clear energy. Nuclear it«s.

Santiago Alonso, Director of the Forum of the Nuclear Industry of Spain, has
said that the nuclear energy industries doesn«t agree with the treatment of
the Nuclear Energy in the Bonn Climate Conference, because all the clear
energies, that don«t pollution with gases,  weren«t treated in the same way.

The nuclear energy it«s CLEAR, SAFE and don«t pollution the atmosfere with
gases that  heat of the planet and because of this, it«s not very reasonable
exclude it from the Clear Instrument stablished in the Kioto Protocol (
 ).

Because of this, it«s very important have the IDEAS clear ;) The use of
nuclear-fossil  energy or not, it«s  the base for the use or not of the
biofuels.

We  need RENOWABLE energy like a first step to use a more natural energy
than petrol.

In the future, we can use clear renowable energies, like sollar energy,
compressed air and so , like final step for a better air.

The only clean air that nuclear can create, for sure, it«s the nuclear cloud
that appeared over Chernobyl ;)

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[biofuel] Where direct the money


Where direct the money and the public resources, to nuclear-fossil energy or
to renowable biofuels ???.

This is the kernel of the problem, in Europe ( Loyola de Palacio,
Comissioner of the EU), United States ( Bush Plan ), and so on.

Have we a response for this problem ??. For sure, it«s the question of the
future of biofuels


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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Nuclear


 who cares. this is not a anti nuclear forum. it's a biofuels forum. enough
 already.

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 - Original Message -
 From: F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 2:44 AM
 Subject: [biofuel] Nuclear


  I realize this is a largely anti-nuclear forum, so I'll say all this
  quickly and only once, and only because somebody else brought it up.
 
  The low-dose rate danger is a myth based on junk science, carefully
  fostered by the anti-nuke movement over decades.
 
  If it were true, it would be impossible for nuclear workers to get life
  or health insurance without subsidy and aviators (who get cosmic-ray
  exposure that is significantly higher than the dose rate allowed by NRC
  regulations) would be dying like flies of radiation-related diseases. It
  just ain't so.
 
  Re long-lived nuclear waste - the longer the life, THE LOWER THE LEVEL
  OF RADIOACTIVITY. It's the short-lived stuff that is dangerous - and if
  the nuclear industry were allowed to reprocess spent fuel (which for
  safety reasons is only allowed to go to 5% burnup), the low volume, high
  flux waste would be segregated and stored for the several half-lives
  required to drop to background at very low cost, because it decays VERY
  FAST. The remaining low level waste would be stored in long term
  facilities, but with a hazard protection level commensurate with the
  much lower risk. The anti-nuclear crowd demonstrates either dishonesty
  or ignorance by quoting radiation fluxes taken from the highly
  radioactive waste and lifetimes that pertain to the low-rad waste. And
  they're the same people who are responsible for eliminating
  reprocessing, thus guaranteeing that 90% of the fuel value, plus all the
  high-level waste, plus all the low-level waste, ALL HAVE TO BE DISPOSED
  OF TOGETHER, thus ensuring that nuclear power is unsafe and
  uneconomical. Talk about self-fulfilling prophesies!
 
  As for reactor safety, it is possible to make reactors that are
  inherently safe against core meltdown - that is reactors that will do no
  damage outside of their containment structure even in the worst case -
  total primary coolant loss, total failure of all redundant engineered
  backups and total failure of control-rod and safety-rod actuation
  mechanisms in the full-open position. One example is the Modular High
  Temperature Gas Cooled Reactor advocated by General Atomics. There are
  disadvantages to inherently safe reactors, however - typically they are
  size limited (MHTGR grosses 40 MWth, I think) so large outputs mean
  several reactors in a rather large complex - one that allows each
  reactor the heat dissipation radius it needs to fulfill the promise of
  inherent safety. The real estate required may not be a problem, but to
  achieve economies of scale requires true mass production of reactor
  modules, not custom jobs like most current nuclear reactors. Another
  difficulty of the MHTGR is that it requires enriched fuel - about 30% -
  and very demanding fuel pellet processing, which complicates
  reprocessing. On the other hand, burnup is higher...
 
  Marc de Piolenc
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It has just been created nuclear-fossil-dangers in
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nuclear-fossil-dangers where we can send post
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Re: [biofuel] Where direct the money


That«s for sure, I will do. But, think for a moment, that you are  the
President of the U.S. and  your ideas are help the nuclear-fossil
industries, like you said in you plans. And that you recieve a suggestion
like the send here, from the Forum of Nuclear Industry, that could give
money for the elections ..

Which one do you prefer ???.

For sure, the second.

How can you deciede select the first one. Only if the people ask it to you
clearly and you have no another remedy ;)

All the best.
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Where direct the money


 Hi Pedro

 Suggestion. See G8 Renewable Energy report. Go to the link, answer
 the 10 questions, and tell 'em we need a UN Renewable Energy Agency.

 Best

 Keith Addison
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 Handmade Projects
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 http://journeytoforever.org/

 Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Where direct the money and the public resources, to nuclear-fossil energy
or
 to renowable biofuels ???.
 
 This is the kernel of the problem, in Europe ( Loyola de Palacio,
 Comissioner of the EU), United States ( Bush Plan ), and so on.
 
 Have we a response for this problem ??. For sure, it«s the question of
the
 future of biofuels
 
 
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 From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 12:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Nuclear
 
 
   who cares. this is not a anti nuclear forum. it's a biofuels forum.
enough
   already.
  
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Re: [biofuel] G8 Renewable Energy report

What«s the politic of Shell relationg Renowable energy ( biodiesel ) . Does
it sell biodiesel in its fuel-stations ???'.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:32 PM
Subject: [biofuel] G8 Renewable Energy report

 http://www.renewabletaskforce.org/default.asp
 G8 Renewable Energy Taskforce Homepage

The Task Force is chaired by Dr Corrado Clini (Director General, Department
of Environment, Italy) and Sir Mark Moody Stuart (Shell).

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Re: New Paint - Same Nukes was Re: [biofuel] Nuclear

2001-07-24 Thread Pedro M.



In any case, nuclear are the alternative to biodiesel and renowable energy,
some governators say.. For sure, Biodiesel and renowable energy it«s the
alternative to nuclear-fossil energy .


   So in what way are nukes biofuels, and why are they even being
 discussed on this list?



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Re: [biofuel] Nuclear

2001-07-23 Thread Pedro M.

Sorry, I am not sure I have understood all you are saying, because this is
not in a plain easy english for me .

- Original Message -
From: jerry dycus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Nuclear

   Hi Pedro asnd All,
 --- Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I think you'll find that many eco's on this list
 like inheritly safe nukes.

Nukes : nuclear .

 I'd love to get a couple of
 the fuel balls from a gas reactor. All the energy I'd
 need for 20 plus years with almost no pollution.

You speak about gas. I think you speak about petrol gas. Would you use it
better if you can get if from biomass . Me, for sure ;)

  Now, we can see the anti-globalization movement. Are
   I'm more of an anti  greedy, non-caring
 corporation person.

You are speaking about anti-globalization movement, at least, like
#antiglobalization channel in the irc-hispano network think of it.

It«s an anti-oligopolistic movement. It«s very usefull for us, because the
great petrol corporations are against biodiesel ( like the international -
originally spanish- corporations ).

For sure, I agree with you.

  they going to protest
  agains the http://www.iaea.int/  International
  Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)

   Better to steer them to better nukes to burn up
 the nasty stuff.

A good ecologist it«s against nuclear energy, because t«s danger. Remember
Chernobyl.

Lots of people, ecologist or not, don«t want nuclear energy. And nuclear
DANGER, death energy it«s powered by Bush Administration.

I will recommend to antiglobalization movement create a Headquarter near
Vienna International Centre in Austria, where the International Atomic
Energy Agency has its headquarters ;)

  ; when you cannot see a similar UN agency for
  renowable energy.
   I'd really love to see it.

It will be some think to ask in the future antiglobalization meetings ;) I
have said the idea in the antiglobalization forums and they  hold the idea
;)

People all over the world read this list
 and are starting biofuel plants bypassing the big
 corporations.

It«s not so easy. Oligopolistic corporations in Spain have  ONLY-PETROL laws
( Ley de Hidrocarburos ). For example, to create a petrol company to sell
your gasoline to petrol-stations (yes, PETROL-stations ) you need to have
150.000 millions ptas ( nearly 1.000  millions  euros ).

Do you think I really can create a petrol company in my land. IMPOSSIBLE

A second think. wholesaler petrol companies OWN a lot of petrol-stations.
They indicate them the prices and goods to sell ( for sure, they cannot sell
biodiesel ).

It«s a big problem. We need a law of incompatibility. So, the wholesaler
companies COULDN«T HAVE PETROL-STATIONS.

For sure, the field to play it«s not clean. I and a lot of people cannot
create biodiesel companies in my land :-(

All the best.

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Re: [biofuel] INTERNATIONAL BIODIESEL DAY CELEBRATION

2001-07-23 Thread Pedro M.

- Original Message -
From: mahesh patel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 7:01 AM
Subject: [biofuel] INTERNATIONAL BIODIESEL DAY CELEBRATION

 Dear Sirs,
  I refer to the message about celebrating August 10th
 as INTERNATIONAL BIODIESEL DAY. May I please know ehat
 exactly is to be done on this day.

We at India also
 plan to start Biodiesel application as part substitute
 of Diesel. I shall appreciate if you would please let
 me know the AGENDA of the International Biodiesel Day
 Celebration so that we can also host some programme in
 INDIA accordingly.

It«s the first International Biodiesel Day .  So, there are only some
national acts.

It«s a day to spread the biodiesel characteristics : less-pollution,
less-price and so on.

It«s a day to vindicate a better law STATUS of biodiesel in the differents
nations, specially for the  biodiesel companies =

 - For example, in Spain you only can create a fuel company if you have a
lot of millions of patrimony.

- You can not solicit tax exemptions contained in the Tax Laws in Spain,
because they have been impougned by the big petrol companies. We vindicate a
more favorable frame ( status ) for biodiesel in national laws .

But, specially, it«s a day to APPEAR IN THE NEWSPAPERS and media talking
about Biodiesel, to know it to the big people. The people can know in which
webpage  can get information about biodiesel and biodiesel companies and
where to buy it in the land.

This is what we are doing in Spain. We have appeared in the newspapers,
talking about this biodiesel day and about the jus created Spanish Biodiesel
Association ;)

For next years, we can organize more international acts like :

- Ask for an International Renowable Energy Agency in the United Nations.

- Create some class of international coordination, specially for biodiesel
companies, perhaps meeting in some place in the world. Which place and what
do you propose for this ???. Is there any biodisel company that want
organize it ;) It will be a great publicity for it too ;)

Perhaps in India, in Uttar Pradesh ???  :-?

 With regards

 MAHESH PATEL
 GOVERNOR INDIAN ETHANOL COALITION AND
 MEMBER, STATER PLANNING COMMISSION, UTTAR PRADESH
 GOVERNMENT.

All the best.

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[biofuels-biz] Spanish Biodiesel Association Created

2001-07-22 Thread Pedro M.


The Goverment has approved the Spanish Association of Biodiesel and
Renowable Energies ( A.E.B.E.R ), which website is
http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/

We are going to celebrate the International Biodiesel Day ( like said in our
Statuses ) August the 10th. The first action has been appear in the
Newspapers, announcing it.

All the best.



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[biofuel] Spanish Biodiesel Association Created

2001-07-22 Thread Pedro M.


The Goverment has approved the Spanish Association of Biodiesel and
Renowable Energies ( A.E.B.E.R ), which website is
http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/

We are going to celebrate the International Biodiesel Day ( like said in our
Statuses ) August the 10th. The first action has been appear in the
Newspapers, announcing it.

All the best.



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[biofuel] Nuclear

2001-07-22 Thread Pedro M.


Does anyone know if there is any anti-nuclear or anti-petrol day ??. I think
this is very necessary, because of the Bush Politics.

Now, we can see the anti-globalization movement. Are they going to protest
agains the http://www.iaea.int/  International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)
; when you cannot see a similar UN agency for renowable energy.

All the best.


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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: brain strom - can the small companies compete against big oil companies...

2001-06-22 Thread Pedro M.




The problem is that in my country ( Spain ) you can only 
compete if you are a big company ( you need to have a lot of inheritance to be 
approved to recieve the licence to sell hydrocarbures ). 

All the best. 



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  Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:29 
  PM
  Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: brain strom - 
  can the small companies compete against big oil companies...
  Forget about retail and go for bulk sales to haulage 
  companies. If biodesel is cheaper per mile (including excise tax) they 
  will buy. If it's not they won't. Most German biodiesel is made 
  from new vege oil, they have approx a $0.50(US) excise tax difference 
  which seems to work. UK will have only a $0.30(US) margin tight even for 
  waste oil.--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]..., Keith Addison 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jan  Didn't you mean to 
  send this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Keith  Hi 
  Pedro and Mauro,  Maybe this is good point to exchange 
  information how thing go in  different countries 
   I can say few words on Poland and the situation of 
  biofules:  Bioethanol :  We 
  have two big producers (refineries) of petrol in our country.  
  They used to produce leaded fuel among others. Now 
  the leaded fuel is on the decline.  And as they say 
  the bioethanol was most suitable to mix with leaded fuel. 
  Because of that many producers of ethanol are on the virge of  
  bankrupcy since the refineries reject to buy ethanol. 
   And despite the law regulation that benzines that contain at 
  least  5% of bioethanol are exempted from the excise 
  tax there is no demand for bioethanol.  This is simply 
  because refinery prefers to add several cents to the  price of 
  one liter of the petrol and have this problem off their 
  head. Who pays for it ? Of course all motorists. 
   Biodiesel:  No excise duty (or tax if 
  you will) for biodiesel  but. 
   Poland used to be rapeseed superpower (almost 5% of 
  worlds crop  were located here) and almost 100% of 
  rapeseed was used to produce vegetable oils and  derivatives 
  (margarine and the like). Farmers had contracts with 
  vegetable oil companies (very  much the same as sugar 
  beetroot farmers with sugar refineries) and were paid rather good 
  price. Today this price is about PLN 900/metric tonne i.e. US 
  $ 225/tonne  of rapeseed. This can be a hindrance to 
  further development of biodiesel Petrodiesel cost on the wholesale 
  market PLN 2200 to 2300 i.e. $525  to $575/tonne. 
   The petrol stations belong to refineries and they...are not 
   interested in biodiesel because this could take away 
  profits from their owner (at least they think like that). 
   Maybe giants are the same everywhere ? Of course 
  official  argumentation is that e.g. bioethanol is not 
  suitable to mix with high grade benzines or that biodiesel  does 
  not comply with the quality requirements of standard diesel. 
  This sounds very professional -  but is it true ??? That is 
  another story.  Does it contribute a 
  little to the whole picture ? Does it  supplement the 
  Spanish case ?  Awaiting your opinions 
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: cost

2001-06-22 Thread Pedro M.




A letter recieve by me : 

-- Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some 
intelligent,united action. Phillip Hollsworth, 
offered this good idea:This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the 
"don't buy gas on a certain day"campaignthat was going around last 
April or May! The oil companies just laughed atthat because they knew we 
wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusingto buy gas. It was more 
of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem 
forthem.BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up 
with a plan that can reallywork. Please read it and join with 
us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about 
$1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded 
in my town. Nowthat the oil companies and the OPEC nations have 
conditioned us to thinkthatthe cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at 
$1.50- $1.75, we need to takeaggressive action to teach them that BUYERS 
control the marketplacenotsellers. With the price of 
gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need totake action. The 
only way we are going to see the price of gas come down isifwe hit 
someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we 
cando that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. 
How?Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying 
gas. But we CANhave an impact on gas prices if we all act together 
to force a price war.Here's the idea: For the 
rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the 
twobiggestcompanies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If 
they are not sellingany gas, they will be inclined to reduce their 
prices. If they reduce theirprices, the other companies will have to 
follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally 
millions of Exxon andMobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! 
Now, don't wimp out on me atthis point...keep reading and I'll explain 
how simple it is to reachmillionsof people!! I am 
sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it 
toat least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at 
least tenmore (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message 
reaches thesixthgeneration of people, we will have reached over 
THREE MILLION consumers! If those three million get excited and 
pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been 
contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it. THREE 
HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!PLEASE HOLD OUT 
UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM 
DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.If you're not outraged by what 
the oil companies are doing to us, go see your doctor, you may be 
suffering from terminal 
apathy! 
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[biofuel] Re: cost

2001-06-22 Thread Pedro M.


Different kind of chain letter. Seems Exxon-Mobile isn't Mr Popular right now.

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
Handmade Projects
Tokyo
http://journeytoforever.org/


 From Pedro M.:

A letter recieve by me :
 
-- Want gasoline prices to come down?  We need to take some intelligent,
united action.

 Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the don't buy gas on a certain day
campaign
that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at
that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by refusing
to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for
them.

BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really
work.  Please read it and join with us!

 By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super
 cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded in my town. Now
that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think
that
the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take
aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplacenot
sellers.

 With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to
take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is
if
we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas!  And we can
do
 that WITHOUT hurting ourselves.  How?

Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas.  But we CAN
have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war.

Here's the idea:

 For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two
biggest
companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL.  If they are not selling
any
 gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their
prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.

 But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and
Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!!  Now, don't wimp out on me at
this point...keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach
millions
of people!!

 I am sending this note to about thirty people.  If each of you send it to
at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten
more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches the
sixth
generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!

 If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each,
 then 30 million people will have been contacted!  If it goes one level
 further, you guessed it. THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!




PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP
 THEM DOWN.  THIS CAN REALLY WORK.

If you're not outraged by what the oil companies are doing to us, go see
 your doctor, you may be suffering from terminal apathy!
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(   645-1902 (office)   LOWER MERION SCHOOL DISTRICT   )
(   645-1994 (fax) 301 Montgomery Avenue   )
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[biofuels-biz] Sanction to CEPSA ( spanish petrol operator ). The text


THE COMPETITION COURT HAS DETERMINATED :

 First. Declare that Cepsa Fuel-Stations S.A and Spanish Petrol Company
CEPSA S.A. realized  practices, banned by the article  1.1 of the Spanish
Law of Defense of the Competition, when they stablished the  prices of the
fuels, when they are selled to the general public by the Dealers.


Second. Intimate to these societies to immediately cease in this practice of
stablishing the prices in the relations with the dealer ( fuel-stations ).

Third. Sanction to  Cepsa Estaciones de Servicio S.A.and to  Compaa
Espaola de Petrleos S.A. (C.E.P.S.A), jointly and solidly , to a FINE of
200 million ptas. ( 1.20 million euros ).


Fourth.  Order to both companies to publish, within two months, of this
Resolution in the Oficial Bulletin  of the State and in the Economy Section
of one of the newspapers of general information with more circulation in the
country.





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[biofuels-biz] Some sollutions


Once published the resolution of the Defense Court, it«s time to try to find
sollutions for a cleaner hydrocarbure Market.

- For sure, it«s very important the the PETROL OPERATORS ( like the
sanctioned Cepsa ) cannot own FUEL-STATIONS by they own. Nearly the 50 % of
the CEPSA dealer Fuel-station are fuel-stations owned by the CEPSA itself.

This is not a good thing for new fuels, like biodiesels. If CEPSA deciedes
not to sell biodiesel, you cannot sell it to the CEPSA fuel-stations.

The best it that CEPSA must sell all they fuel-stations to another persons,
using the franchise system or similarly, but that CEPSA Petrol Operator (
and none petrol operator ) cannot own ( or rent ) any fuel-stations

So, there must be a SPLIT in the owning between Petrol Companies and
Fuel-Stations.

- It«s an error stablish the free prices. It«s more interesting for the user
CEPSA Petrol Operator only can determinate the MAXIMUM price of the fuel,
but not the minumum ( so, the fuel-station owner can rise the prices ).

.- It«s interesting register the General Conditions of the contracts between
the Petrol Operators and the Fuel-Stations, so the Defense Court can more
easily determinate and persecute illegal anticompetition contracts ( now,
there are similar requeriments for telecoms, gas and so on ).

- We need more Hydrocarbure Operators ( like the biodieseler ones ). For
this, it«s necessary that Little Companies can be Petrol ( more accurately
Hydrocarbure ) Operators without the need of own 500 million ptas ( 3
million euros !!!). The law-maker forgets the littles companies ( to
help the big petrol operator and ban the entry to this market of the little
biodiesel companies ).

- For Little Hydrocarbure Companies ( like the biodieselers ), one have to
pay a lot of taxes ( duties, and so on ). There is a minimum tax that you
have to pay, independently the production of hydrocarbure you produce ( this
is another - oligopoly - guarantee for the big petrol companies ).

- It«s very important promote the INDEPENDENT FUEL-STATIONS, to which  the
biodiesel hydrocarbure operators can sell their biodiesel fuel.

If you sell your biodiesel to a nowadays Petrol Operator ( CEPSA, REPSOL and
so on ) Fuel-station, they won«t buy it, because they are ordened by this
dominant petrol operator.

Your only hope are the independent fuel-stations.

In the near future, I supose the exclusivity contracts between Hydrocarbure
Operators and Fuel-Stations are going to be BANNED, for a free Market.

For sure, these problem are similar for the rest of the European Union ( and
in the U.S.A. I suposse :?

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[biofuel] Sanction to CEPSA ( spanish petrol operator ). The text


THE COMPETITION COURT HAS DETERMINATED :

 First. Declare that Cepsa Fuel-Stations S.A and Spanish Petrol Company
CEPSA S.A. realized  practices, banned by the article  1.1 of the Spanish
Law of Defense of the Competition, when they stablished the  prices of the
fuels, when they are selled to the general public by the Dealers.


Second. Intimate to these societies to immediately cease in this practice of
stablishing the prices in the relations with the dealer ( fuel-stations ).

Third. Sanction to  Cepsa Estaciones de Servicio S.A.and to  Compaa
Espaola de Petrleos S.A. (C.E.P.S.A), jointly and solidly , to a FINE of
200 million ptas. ( 1.20 million euros ).


Fourth.  Order to both companies to publish, within two months, of this
Resolution in the Oficial Bulletin  of the State and in the Economy Section
of one of the newspapers of general information with more circulation in the
country.





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Re: [biofuel] Some solutions

- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 2:48 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Some sollutions

 Hi Pedro

 What's the situation with personal use (make your own),

A lot of people are afraid about make their own biodiesel. They are afraid
about break the motor car down, because of a bad made biodiesel.

Because of this, the best it«s guarantee that the biodiesel is produced by
companies that utilizes the EN950 standard.

And it«s not clear that if you produce a quantity for you own, you don«t
have to pay taxes.

and off-road
 use, ie farms etc?

The off-road use ( combustion fuels ) has the same problems that the on-road
( carburant ) use.

I am trying to explain it briefly.

If you make biodiesel and want to sell it to petrol stations or to another
dealers  ( you cannot sell it to the final consumer ), you have to be a
PETROL ( better said, HYDROCARBURE; hydrocarbure : petrol or bio fuels )
OPERATOR.

So, you need own 500 million ptas ( 3 million euros ) and pay the taxes in
advance and a minimum quantity.

From time to time, I am more and more sure, we need a Little Hydrocarbure
Operator STATUTE ( special regulation, specially in the  industrial and tax
fields ) in the European Union.

Nowadays, the petrol panorama it«s a oligopoly formed by a few BIG petrol
operators with state ( european union ) regulation  that DOESN«T ALLOW THE
EXISTING OF LITTLE HYDROCARBURE OPERATORS and the prices rising more and
more.

So, if you don«t want petrol prices rise, you have to ask to the goverment
to promote the little petrol operator ( like biodiesel operator ) statute .

All the best.

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[biofuels-biz] Sanction to CEPSA by the Spanish Defense of the Competition Court.

2001-06-07 Thread Pedro M.




With 200 milions ptas ( 1.20 million Euros ), because the 
court consider that has realized banned practices imposing its prices to its 
fuel-stations. 

This is a prove that we don«t have a free hydrocarbure market 
( it«s specially anticompetitive for Small Enterprises, like the biodiesel ones 
). 

All the best. 






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Re: [biofuels-biz] Leaving Small Businesses Behind

2001-06-04 Thread Pedro M.




Small Business are the life for the economy. This will lead to 
an economical crisis. This is the economy democracy ;)

All the best. 
Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil 
petrolferoLa solucin a sus problemas energticos.

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  Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 5:47 
  PM
  Subject: [biofuels-biz] Leaving Small 
  Businesses Behind
  June 2, 2001Leaving Small Businesses BehindBy FRED 
  P. HOCHBERGCalvin Coolidge said, "The business of America is business." 
  George W. Bush, the first president to have an M.B.A. degree, has issued a 
  correction. If his first budget is any indication, the business of 
  America today is big business. Small companies and individual 
  entrepreneurs, it seems, are somebody else's business.The 
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To produce how many liters ??? ( i.e. 3.000 l)???

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  Subject: [biofuels-biz] cost
  
  Hi Keith  Steve,
   
  I would like to know an easy way, if
  there is one, to figure what my cost will be, in 
  a gallon
  of biodiesel, in any given batch that I process. 
  How do 
  you figure in your start up costs i.e. equipment, 
  chemicals,
  etc. ?
  Thanks,
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Can I answer to this question, at least for Spain ??. Do the 
middle and little biodiesel companies has future comparated with big petroleum 
companies ??-

In Spain there is a tax exemption for the biodiesel but it has 
been impugned by BP and nowadays the Spanish Goverment doesn«t give this 
exemption to the enterprises . 

Are the biodiesel companies ( like green companies like they 
are ) enough incentived ???. 

Pedro. 

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  From: 
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  To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 
  PM
  Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: 
  Greetings
  Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!!This kind of 
  Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very importantto separate the 
  forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" (homemade biodiesel) and 
  the forum for large scale production with amacroeconomic point of 
  view. I hope a very interesting "brain storm".Again, 
  CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND 
  STEVE 
  Mauro Ariel 
  Knudsen 
  Argentinean Biodieseler.Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and thanks 
  a lot for the encouragement. Please go ahead and set the brainstorm going! 
  Where do you think we should start?RegardsKeith 
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Re: [biofuels-biz] greetings

Only a word : GREAT !!

Indicate us in the list when uploaded, my friend
;)

How much liters does it produces ??. ( a good one for a medium
and little enterprise is a 300.000 liters / year ).

For sure, the idea of e-commerce it«s ideal. We can buy
metanol in the international market and sell the glycerin to another interested
international people, if economically interesting ;)

All the best.
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From:
Keith Addison
To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43
PM
Subject: Re: [biofuels-biz]
greetings
Hi Pedro and BobDid you see Ian Jackson's
schematics of his processor design? Based on Aleks's acid-base process.
He's taken it down now and wants me to host it, which I'll do. There are
some others coming up too, I'll upload them when they're
ready.I'll happily host any designs anyone offers, and more. If you
guys provide the material, I'll make a special section for biofuels-biz
resources on our site at Journey to Forever. Steve Spence of Webconx
is here too, as a moderator, and you can count on his support (we're
partner sites, by the way, and Pedro shares our host service).Yes,
I know, we all have our secrets of course, quite right too, but there's a
lot we can share. There are 30 of us here already, from quite a few
different countries. Direct competition would be a limited factor, plenty
of room for collaboration.If you want to sell designs or equipment, we
might be able to help there too. We'll have to do e-commerce sooner or
later, I can see it coming, it could be sooner. We could act as a
shop-window, show your wares without giving away anything.It's up
to you - I'll help where I can, so will Steve, but you're the ones
interested in doing business, not us. The members have to lead the
way.Cordain gave us a nice introduction, seems like a good idea to
break the ice, eh?Best wishesKeith
AddisonBetter than equipment, for Spain it«s the design. You
could sell the design of a biodiesel factory.All the
best.Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de
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greetingsThanks for setting up this group. I hope to go
commercial at somepoint. Probably making equipment for
processing rather than biodiesel production. Still at the
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings




BP appeealed against the exemption ( no-pay of hidrocarbures 
tax for biodiesel ) ;(



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  From: 
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  Brownstone 
  To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:10 
AM
  Subject: RE: [biofuels-biz] Re: 
  Greetings
  
  Hey 
  Pedro,
  
  What 
  does 'impugned' mean?
  
  Mike
  
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:04 
PMTo: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.comSubject: 
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: Greetings
Can I answer to this question, at least for Spain ??. Do 
the middle and little biodiesel companies has future comparated with big 
petroleum companies ??-

In Spain there is a tax exemption for the biodiesel but it 
has been impugned by BP and nowadays the Spanish Goverment doesn«t give this 
exemption to the enterprises . 

Are the biodiesel companies ( like green companies like 
they are ) enough incentived ???. 

Pedro. 

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  From: 
  Keith Addison 
  To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 7:43 
  PM
  Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: 
  Greetings
  Hello, CONGRATULATIONS!!!This kind 
  of Biofuel Forum what was I looking for. Is very importantto 
  separate the forums occuped in topic like "do it yourself" 
  (homemade biodiesel) and the forum for large scale production with 
  amacroeconomic point of view. I hope a very interesting "brain 
  storm".Again, CONGRATULATIONS KEITH AND 
  STEVE 
  Mauro Ariel 
  Knudsen 
  Argentinean Biodieseler.Hello Mauro, I'm glad you're here, and 
  thanks a lot for the encouragement. Please go ahead and set the 
  brainstorm going! Where do you think we should 
  start?RegardsKeith 
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Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: brain strom - can the small companies compete against big oil companies...

Well, here in Spain there is another view. The hidrocarbure
Market is liberalizated and there is more than 2 refineries . But you need to be
Bill Gates ( a richman person or very rich companie ) to be a wholesale petrol
operator ( 5.000 millions ptas 30.050.605 euros ).

I imagine in the future, Polland (in the E.U. )will have more
competition. We no use leaded fuel in Spain ( only very
old vehicles and in the future it«s going to be banned, following the laws
).

There is a company in Spain named Ecocarburantes, that mixes
the gasoline with ethanol (ETB ) . It«s situated in Escombreras ( Murcia ), near
the refineries. It has obtained the exemption ( of the alcohol excise duty and the petrol excise
duty) , the first one in Spains and I think the last upto the appeal of the
exemption is going to be resolved.

In the future, I imagine the gasoline
motors ( for new cars )will be banned, because they are contaminators (
cannot use renewable energies, like biodiesel ).

I believe more in Biodiesel and Bio-oils.
People uses directly the sunflower oil to mix with the petrodiesel ( 50 % ) and
from time to time they clean the motor.

Another source for power it«s biodiesel
from waste oil. You need authoritation to pick it up. The more succesfull
companies are the little and middle companies ( the big companies need
less protection in this field against the Middle And Litlle Enterprises,
M.A.L.E.).

The petro-station, for sure, won«t sell the
biodiesel, because there is not enough and they are dominated by big operator (
CEPSA, BP, REPSOL-YPF and so on ).

So, we need a more clean Market for
petro-stations ( I believe all over the world ). So we can fight for not
exclusivity contract between petrol operator and fuel-stations.

In 2.010 ( how long ) at least
10 % of the energy must be renewable ( European Union Decission ).
http://www.eea.eu.int/

We have just created the Spanish Biodiesel
and Renewable Energies Association.

I believe we need an European Association
too ( the BP appeal in the European Court it«s a demostration we need it
).

I, like you too, believe that a Report
about all the European Hidrocarbures Market and the Biofuels there it«s
important.

Pedro.

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[biofuels-biz] Quality




For this quality problems in Polland, we and the Spanish State 
in the laws have find a solution : standarization.

To sell Diesel ( any kind of... Petro-diesel, biodiesel ) you 
have to obey the standards. They are http://www.cenorm.be/CEN Standards. ( 
EN590). 

For Heating Diesel ( C Class Diesel ) you need less requirement that for Car Diesel ( Carburant or A Class 
Diesel ). The analizing costs less.

You can see the Spanish Guarantee Organization http://www.enac.es/and some laboratories 
that can qualify ( analize and certificate the good results, if they are good, 
of course ) : http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/analisis.htm

So, we have no problems with quality. 

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I have heard from a friend that the bigger the quantity the 
bigger the costs ( because you need more extra elements ).

All the best. 

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Re: [biofuels-biz] greetings

2001-05-30 Thread Pedro M.




Better than equipment, for Spain it«s the design. You could 
sell the design of a biodiesel factory. 

All the best.
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  Thanks for setting up this group. I hope to go commercial 
  at some point. Probably making equipment for processing rather than 
  bio diesel production. Still at the prototype stage at the moment.bob 
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Re: [biofuel] Vinegar into oil

2001-05-27 Thread Pedro M.


Ha, ha. Only the spanish ;)

But I try to practice the english  language with how much englishwomen as
possible XD

Cheers. Pedro.


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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Vinegar into oil


 Hi Pedro
 Am, I right in thinking that you speak (and write) better English
 than me???
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Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel

2001-05-23 Thread Pedro M.


Thank you for the information. For sure, the price it«s bigger than a liter
of petrolium http://laisla.com/petras/productos/tablaprod_a.htm

But one could research produce grapes with a big grain ( to produce oil ) or
with almost only grain. I see more vegetables ( trees ) with grain-pit (
that could ebe bought like residues for no human use )  where one can
investigate get oil  ( apricot, lemon and so on ).

I have joined to the Vegoil to investigate about produce oil from different
vegetables. Oil is so valuable like petrol.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vegoil-diesel

All the best.

Pedro.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel


 All that I recall is that I purchased the oil in a health food store in
 Spain. It was delicious. I believe it was produced in Catalonia, but I
don't
 recall the manufacturer. It was a long time ago. You might try a local
 health food store. Ask for Aceite hecho de granos de uva.

 Derek W. Hargis


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  Can you send me the information ???. I can publish it in the vegetable
oil
  page ;)
 
  On the other hand, it«s interesting investigate ( by private research
  companies, universities and public organizatios ) the possibility of a
  process to convert alcohol or similar grape products into oil.
 
  All the best.
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  Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel
 
 
   There is a very fine edible oil made from grape pits in Spain. A very
 nice
   delicate oil, fabulous for salads, unfortunately, quite expensive.
  
   I am not aware of any economical process to turn ethanol into a usable
  oil.
  
   Derek W. Hargis
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   Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel
  
  
But in any way, can one get oil from alcohol or from vineyard ???.
   
This is interesting, because in Spain there is a lot of vineyard
   production
( grapes ) that could be used to produce some class of oil .
  
  
  
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Re: [biofuel] Vinegar into oil - Oil Sources

2001-05-23 Thread Pedro M.


I like a lot your letter. But we can use alcohol to produce diesel, if
possible, because we have now ready diesel motors ;)

You are right : use of unused material ( grape pits ), the reutlization of
waste vegoil and the use of the animoil from animals destroyed.

Because of this I have joined to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bio-oil (
bio-oil  = vegoil  or oil derivated from animals, animoil ).

I will forward your letter there, because it«s interesting for all the
researches.

All the best. ;)

Pedro.


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Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Vinegar into oil - Oil Sources


 I agree that we need to look and keep looking at actual processes to try
and
 find ways to do things better, to look for lost opportunities. Probably
wine
 is best used as an already fermented feedstock for ethanol fuel. Don't
know
 the current price, but relatively decent table wine in Spain used to be
 cheaper than bottled water. To my knowledge it is difficult to reverse the
 process that causes vinegar. You're probably stuck with it.

 The grape pits are a nice source for oil as it is a byproduct that isn't
 used for anything else (that I know of). There should be literally tons of
 grape mashings left over from the production of wine. Rather than have
them
 just go to waste, potentially you have a good source of energy. I don't
 think it was very cheap to extract the oil for edible use -- based on the
 price that they sold the grape seed oil in the health food store. However,
 as someone pointed out, oil extraction could be a lot cheaper if one
doesn't
 care if the end result is an edible oil.

 There are probably other sources of oil in plants stems and similar that
we
 just haven't ever thought about.

 I think to that we need to look for things where we benefit twice or more.
 The prime example of this is the utilization of waste cooking oil. Here is
 something that has been used already and generally has just been
discarded.
 When we use it a second time in the production of biodiesel, we are
gaining
 a big benefit.

 In Spain, and Europe in general, (and I fear most of the rest of the
world)
 the big waste product that should be coming down the line will be the
 rendering of all the animals exposed to BSE and FMD. There will be and
have
 been literally millions upon millions of animals destroyed. This amounts
to
 a huge source of oil that could be used in the production of biodiesel.

 Regards,

 Derek W. Hargis


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 From: Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Vinegar into oil


  And to be converted into biodiesel ??.
 
  There is a lot of wine production in Spain and the European Union could
 help
  to sell this superavit ( excess ).
 
  It could be interesting with the nowadays european union agriculture
  politics.
 
  We need a lot of oil to be used instead of petrol . How much source we
 could
  get, cheaper and more accesible it will be :
 
  - Vegoil from any class of grain ( grape, lemon residues - grains - used
 in
  another processes ) and vegetable.
 
  - Vegoil from vegetable waste oil.
 
  - Biodiesel from milk ( there is a lot of milk in the European Union -
  superavit know like black milk - ).
 
  There is a problem with the olive oil : the price. And in the future
 perhaps
  with the sunflower oil : if there is not enought the price will rise.
 
  So, one can say : convert everything into vegoil or biodiesel. We can
  research or publish the production process and later use it if there is
  political help ( excess of production in the raw material  ) to be
  economically interesting ;)


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  From: dhargis1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 2:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] Vinegar into oil
 
 
   I think the problem with both, ethanol and acetic acid, vinegar, is
that
  the
   carbon chain isn't long enough. There are reactions to combine carbon
  chains
   and lengthen them, but I don't know if they would be cheap enough to
  compete
   with what nature does for you in the form of naturally occurring oils.
  
   Spain has a lot of other natural oils. They are one of the world's
 largest
   producers of olives, several different nuts, and the last time I
 visited,
   there were huge fields of sunflowers.
  
   Derek W. Hargis
  
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   From: Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:15 PM
   Subject: Re: [biofuel] Vinegar into oil
  
  
What about get oil from vinegar ?? :? ( CH3-COOH ) or similar
vinegar
   bypass
product ???.
   
   
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:09

Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?


Vegoil is used by normal cars . I have seen a news in the newspaper about
it.

They uses 50 % vegoil and 50 % diesel in the diesel petro-motors.

The vegoil ( sunflower pure vegetable oil ) it«s cheaper than petrodiesel
and it«s used directly in the motor ( with 50 % petro-diesel ; I imagine one
can use 50  % biodiesel instead of petro-diesel, but I have read nothing
about this last ).

So, I think we need a VEGOIL website, about how to produce  oil from
vegetables ( and search cheaper prices from another vegetables ).

A way of life   ( and a way to save money ;)

All the best.
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Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] What about making engine oil?



  veggie oil is used by some racing cars and motorcycles
  i dont know the trade name tho.
  Ian

 Used to use Castrol R or Mobil P in the diffs of Peugeot 203,403,404.
 These have a brass worm wheel and a steel worm. Required diet was
vegetable
 oil.
 Paul


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Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel


But in any way, can one get oil from alcohol or from vineyard ???.

This is interesting, because in Spain there is a lot of vineyard  production
( grapes ) that could be used to produce some class of oil .

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Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel


Can you send me the information ???. I can publish it in the vegetable oil
page ;)

On the other hand, it«s interesting investigate ( by private research
companies, universities and public organizatios ) the possibility of a
process to convert alcohol or similar grape products into oil.

All the best.
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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel


 There is a very fine edible oil made from grape pits in Spain. A very nice
 delicate oil, fabulous for salads, unfortunately, quite expensive.

 I am not aware of any economical process to turn ethanol into a usable
oil.

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 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel


  But in any way, can one get oil from alcohol or from vineyard ???.
 
  This is interesting, because in Spain there is a lot of vineyard
 production
  ( grapes ) that could be used to produce some class of oil .



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Re: [biofuel] Vinegar into oil

What about get oil from vinegar ?? :? ( CH3-COOH ) or similar vinegar bypass
product ???.

All the best.

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Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel

 There is a very fine edible oil made from grape pits in Spain. A very nice
 delicate oil, fabulous for salads, unfortunately, quite expensive.

 I am not aware of any economical process to turn ethanol into a usable
oil.

 Derek W. Hargis
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 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel

  But in any way, can one get oil from alcohol or from vineyard ???.

  This is interesting, because in Spain there is a lot of vineyard
 production
  ( grapes ) that could be used to produce some class of oil .

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[biofuel] Some links

2001-05-19 Thread Pedro M.



They have been got quickly, but you can use them . About climate and energy
problems :

http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/enlaces.htm

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[biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel

2001-05-17 Thread Pedro M.


Can one convert ( now or in the future ) alcohol into biodiesel ??.

It«s only mind speculation .

Thanks in advance.


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[biofuel] Standard

2000-11-28 Thread Pedro M.


Can anybody send me in english the specifications of the IDE standard about
Biodiesel ??.

Thanks in advance.

Pedro.

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Re: [biofuel] Fw: Agricultural Transportation Challenges of the 21st Century Webcast

2000-11-28 Thread Pedro M.


Can you indicate the time in GMT ( Greenwich Meridian Time ), also called
UTC ( Universal Time Coordinated ) ??.

All the best.


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  Subject:  Agricultural Transportation Challenges of the 21st Century
 Webcast
 
  You're invited to a live audio Webcast of a national summit sponsored by
 the
  United States Department of Agriculture and the St. Louis Regional
Chamber
  and Growth Association.
 
  The summit, entitled Agricultural Transportation Challenges of the 21st
  Century, takes place Nov. 28-29 in St. Louis.  The Webcast is scheduled
 to
  be activated on Nov. 28 at approximately 12:50 p.m.
 
  Joe Jobe, executive director of the National Biodiesel Board, will speak
  during a workshop on long-term energy outlook and implications for
 bioenergy
  development.  The session takes place from 9:45-11:15 a.m. on Nov. 29.
 
  To learn more about the summit and to listen to the Webcast, go to:
  http://www.ams.usda.gov/tmd/summit/
 
  Bev Thessen, Information Coordinator
  National Biodiesel Board
 

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[biofuel] Test

2000-11-28 Thread Pedro M.


One usually reads that engines with biodiesel long more that with
petrodiesel.

But, is there a scientific experement ( test ) comparing how many hours long
a new engine using biodiesel, comparin with a new engine using petrodiesel
???.

It«s important the scientific quality of the experiment and the institution
( preferly University ) that has done it ( if there is no experiment
nowadays, I suggest do it, because it«s important for the users and
goverments ).

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Re: [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel Day

2000-11-22 Thread Pedro M.


It«s OK. It«s more SYMBOLICAL  than historical, because diesel created
different alternative motors.

We can consider 1892 like the diesel year ( the patent year ) and august the
10th, 1893 like the biodiesel ( conventional ) day.

I will include it in the homepage.

About coordinated actions, I suggest :

- International Biodiesel Organization with Continental collaborations : for
example, we need a Biodiesel Organization for the European Union and all
Europe.

- Compare the law approved promoting biodiesel and suggest some common
ground for all the countries.
- Compare the obstacles to use and make ( including the homemade ) biodiesel
( for example, in Spain there is a Waste Vegetable Oil monopoly ) and
suggest a common ground to remove them.
- An International Declaration about Biodiesel and their advantages.
- Pure International Action relating United National, the petro-philial
International Energy Agency and so on, reclaming the promoting of biodiesel.
- Offer information ( and biodiesel - we have to discuss how - ) in the
streets in some cities ( capitals chiefly ) like happened in London. This a
very important point.
- More ideas you can propose ;)

All the best.



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Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 5:59 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Biodiesel Day


 It was towards the end of 1896 and the beginning of 1897 that the
 third Augsburg prototype (often also known as the first Diesel
 engine) became truly functional .

 http://www.germanembassy-india.org/news/june97/76gn16.htm

 At Augsburg, on August 10, 1893, Diesel's prime model, a single 10-
 foot iron cylinder with a flywheel at its base, ran on its own power
 for the first time.

 http://www.invent.org/book/book-text/31.html

 At Augsburg, on August 10, 1893, Diesel's prime model, a
 single 10-foot iron cylinder with a flywheel at its base, ran on its
 own power for the first time.

 http://www.wartsilausa.com/PubRelations/rudolf.htm

 So, here's to August 10th (unless someone can clarify that first
 article) as being the official Intenational Biodiesel Day.
Where do
 we want to get together, and what do we want to do? Probably need co-
 ordinated multiple events, due to geographically dispersed members.








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Re: [biofuel] Greenpeace gives away free biodiesel in London

That«s a good idea !!. I want to see it in Spain too ;)
( in Spain there is no petrol station that sell biodiesel, so, the impact
will be greater.

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Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 2:49 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Greenpeace gives away free biodiesel in London

 Greenpeace gave away free biodiesel to London motorists last week.
 (They'd bought the biodiesel commercially in Germany.) See:
 Greenpeace Guerrilla Garage Launched Today - Greenpeace giving away
 free fuel in central London.
 http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/contentlookup.cfm?UCIDParam=20001113101547

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Re: [biofuel] Re: Greenpeace gives away free biodiesel in London


For me it«s important this : where can one buy biodiesel in France, for
example ???. France is near Spain. And in Portugal ??. I can include this
data and the spanish companies can buy it, at the first step, in this two
lands.

I have translated pages into spanish about how to make biodiesel at home.
So, if there is another price arising, I can publish it in the media ;) It«s
going to be specially interesting for trucker, I think.

Another idea. Is there any mobile biodiesel making machine for home use -
the easiest, the best, because I am not chemist :- ( ??. Someone - from
Europe - could loan it to me to show it in the city ( for example, if the
citizens would give me the oil and anothe ingredients, I would give them
biodiesel for free during a biodiesel day in my town ). I would publish the
maker«s  name in the newspapers ( if they would publish the biodiesel day
news ).

Finally, I«m interesting about found a Biodiesel Spanish Association with
interested people. The spanish association to which I belong, only promote
the sun fotovoltaic energy ( this is not a good solution for the car
problem, because it«s not practice nowadays and you have to BUY A NEW CAR ).

Biodiesel it«s the prefect intermediate step to give up the petro-slavery.

All the best.

Biodiesel pages in spanish.

http://lapagina.de/energia

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Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:53 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Greenpeace gives away free biodiesel in London


 Be the one source, if none exist now. we can help.

 --- In biofuel@egroups.com, Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  That«s a good idea !!. I want to see it in Spain too ;)
  ( in Spain there is no petrol station that sell biodiesel, so, the
 impact
  will be greater.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: biofuel@egroups.com
  Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 2:49 AM
  Subject: [biofuel] Greenpeace gives away free biodiesel in London
 
 
   Greenpeace gave away free biodiesel to London motorists last week.
   (They'd bought the biodiesel commercially in Germany.) See:
   Greenpeace Guerrilla Garage Launched Today - Greenpeace giving
 away
   free fuel in central London.
   http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/contentlookup.cfm?
 UCIDParam=20001113101547
  
   Keith Addison
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Logo


I have got a free one :

You can see them at
http://www.aldeavirtual.com/comercial/energia/biodiesel.htm

http://www.aldeavirtual.com/comercial/energia/biofuel.jpg is for biofuel
 and
http://www.aldeavirtual.com/comercial/energia/diesel.jpg is for diesel (  a
D simulating an engine part -pinion - ). This last is useful too for
petro-diesel ( so, in the future, in the petrol stations you won«t recieve
gasoline instead of gasoil if you have this symbol in your car  fuel tank ).

This two logo are freeware.

All the best.



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Subject: [biofuel] Re: Logo


I saw one with a graphic of a green leaf, narrowing down to the stem,
and then the stem broadening out into a big drop of green oil. I
don't think anyone could stop you using that idea if you wanted to.
I'll try to find a reference for you.

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I have seen one that has a gas station hose/filler, but don't remember
where. would have to get permission from the owner to use.


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Subject: [biofuel] Logo


Is there any logo for Biodiesel ??. If not, I suggest create one ( perhaps
a
tree and an oil  drop  or something simple similar ?? ).

It would be registered, only to be used righteously.

It«s interesting to be using by the fuel station ( to indicate in the road
cross that they sell biodiesel ), to be included in the web pages and so
on.

This is, a necessary thing.

All the best.



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Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:53 PM
Subject: [biofuel] Re: Greenpeace gives away free biodiesel in London


  Be the one source, if none exist now. we can help.
 
  --- In biofuel@egroups.com, Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   That«s a good idea !!. I want to see it in Spain too ;)
   ( in Spain there is no petrol station that sell biodiesel, so, the
  impact
   will be greater.
  
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   From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: biofuel@egroups.com
   Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 2:49 AM
   Subject: [biofuel] Greenpeace gives away free biodiesel in London
  
  
Greenpeace gave away free biodiesel to London motorists last week.
(They'd bought the biodiesel commercially in Germany.) See:
Greenpeace Guerrilla Garage Launched Today - Greenpeace giving
  away
free fuel in central London.
http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/contentlookup.cfm?
  UCIDParam=20001113101547
   
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[biofuel] Biodiesel Day