[Biofuel] Reaction completion
Hello, I was just wondering if anyone has observed a relation of reaction temperature to reaction completion. Based on (many) batches I have run (modified appleseed design) I have always noted a decrease in temp after 1.5 - 2 hours of mixing (actually the time varies). The temp is always a decrease, and not excessive, but typically 2-4 degrees (F). I know chemical reactions produce heat (an increase I sometimes observe), but after some time I always see the temp decrease. My question is, would this be a good indication of reaction completion? Many thanks, S ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
Sorry for the late post, just caught this thread. I am currently going through this process with the IRS, and the guy that called me was very harsh, and asked if I knew that I had to be registered with the EPA, and that the fuel had to meet spec (even though on my application I specified < 50 gallon a month). When I mentioned it was for self-use only, his tone changed. I expressed that I just want to be legal, but also wanted to collect the tax credit ($.50 a gallon for WVO). He admitted that he had to do some research, and said "This is new for everyone."... I expect to hear back within the next week of so... Personally I don't think it's fair to pay the road tax(es); if I can not collect / get credit for the incentives... Cheers! S DHAJOGLO wrote: Does the tax apply even if you are producing it as an "additive?" -dave On Monday, August 07, 2006 4:13 PM, bob allen wrote: Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:13:54 -0500 From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh I recently received a letter from the Arkansas Department of finance. I am to herewith submit 22.5 cents per gallon of biodiesel produced. I guess that this happened because of an article that appeared in a statewide newspaper, concerning my manufacture of biodiesel as a student project. (Some pin-headed commercial producer felt that I should be paying my fair share of taxes), which I don't mind. Now if I can just figure out how to get the 50 cent-a-gallon produce tax credit. -- Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob = The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh
An interesting tidbit of information on this… If the U.S. Government is spending 750 billion on defense, they are spending on defense roughly every U.S. Dollar in circulation worldwide. In April of 2000 the Treasury estimated the total U.S. Currency in circulation worldwide was 600 billion. Yet our government manages to spend more than that every year. Isn’t it nice to not be bound by laws and be able to call a budget balanced simply because you make your budgeted amount match your actual expenditures? (Note this doesn’t mean balancing expenditures with receipts in government, just making sure you only are spending what you say you’re going to spend… That’s a “Balanced Budget” ) That’s just my quick comment. Back to the tax requirements, I’m not sure about other states, but in Oklahoma the tax is required on fuels to be used as on-road motor fuel. Two things stand out to me about this. “On road motor fuel” a fuel used by a motor on the road. Shouldn’t I be entitled to a refund of these taxes for the portions which are used OFF ROAD? While this doesn’t sound like much at first let’s just consider. My car is running in a parking lot – That is NOT on road. My car is running in my driveway – Again that’s NOT on road. I have to use a diesel generator during a power outage – NOT on road. I have to move building supplies, fencing supplies, etc on my property – NOT on road. Tractor used to harvest my crops – NOT on road. I could go on, but honestly I guess I should be sending the state a bill every month or so for a tax rebate. Only a couple bucks tops, but you know if I owed them, they’d be all over me. Kind of makes one think… --Scott Burton From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Redler Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:17 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh Hey Bob, I think your situation reinforces the idea that fuel/energy dependence isn't an OPEC thing and that the problem is home grown. If corporations and local governments didn't work together to limit the number of sources, you couldn't effectively tax it. I'm not against taxes, just how I'm taxed and what it's spent on (i.e. 750,000,000,000 on "defense"). If my local government tried something like that with me, I'd seriously consider producer gas as a fuel. Let them try and noodle out a method of measuring and taxing CO and H2 by the cubic foot. The perfect fuel for a bureaucracy. The longer one waits to measure it, the less fuel their is to measure. :-) - Redler P.S. I went to http://www.ozarker.org/ and noticed that there is no "Recreational Bob" link. Shame on you. bob allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the tax applies to any fuel produced and used on-road. I don't have the letter here in front of me, but as I recall it wanted to know how much I produced total and how much was used as on-road motor fuel. The tax is retroactive for 2005. DHAJOGLO wrote: > Does the tax apply even if you are producing it as an "additive?" > > -dave > > > On Monday, August 07, 2006 4:13 PM, bob allen wrote: >> Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:13:54 -0500 >> From: bob allen >> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> Subject: [Biofuel] the tax man cometh >> >> I recently received a letter from the Arkansas Department of finance. I am to herewith submit 22.5 >> cents per gallon of biodiesel produced. I guess that this happened because of an article that >> appeared in a statewide newspaper, concerning my manufacture of biodiesel as a student project. >> (Some pin-headed commercial producer felt that I should be paying my fair share of taxes), which I >> don't mind. >> >> Now if I can just figure out how to get the 50 cent-a-gallon produce tax credit. >> >> -- >> Bob Allen, http://ozarker.org/bob >> -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 8/9/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/415 - Release Date: 8/9/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A question about lye
Keith, First, thank you for taking the time to reply. Journeytoforever.org is where I've done a lot of my reading. Which is why I'm starting with fresh oil. Because that's how it was reported there that I should begin. I bought the lye at a hardware store, the container was still sealed, and it's proports to be pure Sodium Hydroxide. It's very small granules, so it's kind of hard to tell, but I suspect from closer examination that it may have already been carbonated before I got it. :-( After about 45 minutes around 80% of it dissolved. I was swirling it every few minutes, for at least a minute each time. For a total of 12 times swirling it. I started by measuring 220 ml of HEET (yellow bottle, methyl alcohol, not isopropyl) into a class mason jar, then quickly weighed out the lye and added it to the HEET. Just as I believe everything I have read said to do. I have a pound of KOH lye coming, but I'm not sure exactly how soon it will be here. I might just have to wait for it to arrive since I appear to have unusable NaOH... Cordially, Scott Burton Wellston, OK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 1:16 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A question about lye Hello Scott >I'm attempting to produce my first test batch of bio-diesel. To >keep things simple, I'm using fresh oil. Yes, but that's also where you should start to get it right. Start here: "Where do I start?" http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Follow the instructions, step by step, adding variables one by one, use the quality checks before you move on. >I seem to be having a bit of trouble though. My NaOH lye isn't >dissolving fully in the methanol, and everything I've read says not >to mix this with the oil until the lye is completely dissolved. > >Could I have bad lye? It will dissolve in the methanol even if it's not good methanol, so it must be bad lye. What is it and where did you get it? What does it look like? How long did it take not to dissolve? How did you mix it? Mix it this way: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#methmix KOH is better anyway, especially for novices. Lots of info on lye if you go to the "start here" and keep going, everything you need to know. HTH. Keith >I would appreciate any suggestions. > >--Scott Burton > Wellston, OK ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A question about lye
Joe, Thanks for the reply! Having never had anything near pure lye before, I'm not quite sure if it's carbonated, but upon taking a closer look at a second sample from the original package, I think perhaps it is carbonated. It does look a bit like a chalk. :-( That's the last of that lye I'm buying... I've a pound of fresh lye coming, this time KOH. I guess I'll have to wait for that to arrive. Cordially, Scott Burton Wellston, OK USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:17 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A question about lye You might have carbonated lye. Was it very chalky looking? Joe Scott Burton wrote: > I’m attempting to produce my first test batch of bio-diesel. To keep > things simple, I’m using fresh oil. > > > > I seem to be having a bit of trouble though. My NaOH lye isn’t > dissolving fully in the methanol, and everything I’ve read says not to > mix this with the oil until the lye is completely dissolved. > > > > Could I have bad lye? > > > > I would appreciate any suggestions. > > > > --Scott Burton > > Wellston, OK > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 > > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst
I'm not an expert in these matters, but I know that Oak and I think Walnut and Maple are hardwoods. I'm not sure about elm and cherry. Sounds to me like it'd be a good source. --Scott Burton -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason & Katie Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:57 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalyst my father is a forester, and is very much involved with resource management (hes the coordinator) at a forest preserve where i grew up, every three years a logging company is called in to thin out a small section of the park, and these sections are rotated every cycle. my father collects the tops from the trees that are removed and cuts them for firewood, which is all oak, walnut, maple, cherry, and elm. would this group of woods be a suitable supply of ash for KOH? i know the article calls for hardwood, but there are some non-pine varieties that dont qualify. anyway, im rambling. this supply would be a good way to heat an alcohol distillery or even just basic home heating, but there need not be any real waste of energy in the pursuit of wood ash, and anyone with a rain barrel can make their own KOH. there are a thousand ways around any obstacle but the most fitting is the least obvious. Jason ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/5/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] A question about lye
I’m attempting to produce my first test batch of bio-diesel. To keep things simple, I’m using fresh oil. I seem to be having a bit of trouble though. My NaOH lye isn’t dissolving fully in the methanol, and everything I’ve read says not to mix this with the oil until the lye is completely dissolved. Could I have bad lye? I would appreciate any suggestions. --Scott Burton Wellston, OK -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BioButanol replaces gasoline
I didn't read through the butanol links carefully, but I know one of the problem with producing it in the past is that butyric acid (the carboxylic acid of the alcohol) is produced. Butyric acid is very bad for the environment. Later, Scott ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Steel drums, Where to get them?
I search the internet but found the best deal at my local lumber yard. SB - Original Message - From: Michael Luich To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:21 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Steel drums, Where to get them? I'm looking forward to getting started on making biodiesel (hopefully for the house as well) But i'm not sure where i could get a hold of steel drums? any suggestions? Mike Luich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax
Having been assigned to the DIA ( Defense Intelligence ) for four years back in the seventies, I do believe that if the US government wants to keep something hidden they can, it just depends on how important is to them... and one of the favored techniques was to fund these types of projects from "cost overages" from ' legitimate' budgeted projects effectively bypassing any review processes or oversight... I would like to believe that this could not longer be done but my experience tells me they haven't stopped this type of process, I'd also bet they have come up with a few new tricks as well. - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax > >The reality is if the DOD wanted to cover it up it be a "Black Op" and >>the components would be purchased under 50 different departments and the >>CDC would be buying all the controversial stuff. > > Maybe, maybe not. That's not "the reality", it's just your conjecture. > >>Remember the F-117 and B2 were build by 10's of thousands of people, >>costing 10's of billions, and not one significant leak. > > Sorry, what's this got to do with it? What does it mean anyway, not > one significant leak? What didn't leak? The whole world knew about > the F-117 and B2 and what they were intended for. And what they cost > - at one time it was slang in the financial world, 1 Stealth = $1 > billion. That was when they were still cheap. (They're not that good > anyway, according to the GAO, serious shortcomings.) Anyway, it's > thought by some that the high cost of the B2, the most expensive > plane ever at $2.2 bn, was a cover for, uh, black ops. Is that what > didn't get leaked by 10's of thousands of people? > > Best wishes > > Keith > > >>Mark >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall >>Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:16 PM >>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax >> >> >>Yes, there are legitimate and good purposes to all of their plans. >>But based on history I think we can trust the US DOD to ignore the uses >>you have pointed out which could save lives, and focus on killing >>people. >> >>On 9/27/05, John Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Keith Addison posted an article which said: >> > > Although the Sterne strain is not thought to be harmful to humans >> > > and is used for vaccination, the contracts have caused major >> > > concern. >> > >> > So the ability to grow this a non-lethal strain to make a vaccine that >> >> > could save thousands or tens of thousands of lives is a bad thing? >> > >> > > for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation in Washington DC. "If one can >> >> > > grow the Sterne strain in these units, one could also grow the Ames >> > > strain, which is quite lethal." >> > >> > Yes. And a knife can be used to cut up veggies for dinner or it could >> > be used to stab someone. A car can take you to work or mow down a car >> > full of pedestrians. An Xray machine can find your cavities or deliver >> >> > a lethal dose. We're talking about a tool here, nothing more. Tools >> > may enable good or bad acts but they are not inherently good or bad. >> > >> > More suscintly, Could is a long way from will. >> > >> > > The US renounced biological weapons in 1969, but small quantities of >> >> > > lethal anthrax were still being produced at Dugway as recently as >> > > 1998. >> > >> > Sorta hard to do research on vaccines, decontamination, and >> > countermeasures without samples. >> > >> > Flu researchers keep samples of the 1918 strain around. My wife's old >> > lab kept samples of listeria moncytogenes and e.coli 0157:H7 around. I >> >> > worked in a lab where we grew a freshwater algae that produced the >> > nerve toxin saxitoxin. It means nothing. Keeping and growing dangerous >> >> > strains of pathogens is utterly unremarkable behavior for a research >> > lab. >> > >> > > It is not known what use the biological agents will be put to. They >> > > could be used to test procedures to decontaminate vehicles or >> > > buildings, or to test an "agent defeat" warhead designed to destroy >> > > stores of chemical and biological weapons. >> > >> > The post office sorting facility that was contaminated with anthrax in >> >> > 2001 is ten miles from my house. Most of my mail probably goes through >> >> > that facility. Personally, I *want* the government doing research on >> > the best way to decontaminate buildings. This is a good thing. >> > >> > > There are even fears that they could be used to determine how >> > > effectively anthrax is dispersed when released from bombs or >> > > crop-spraying aircraft. "I can definitely see them testing >> > > biological weapons delivery systems for threat assessment," says >> > > Hammond. >> > >> > Seems to me like a good understanding of delivery systems co
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Disappearing Antiwar Protests
Just another point of view. It may be that Bush is in the hands of the media and the people who control the media rather than they are in his control. Does "puppet on string" seem applicable ??? Scott - Original Message - From: "Busyditch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Disappearing Antiwar Protests > This is nothing new.I attended 3 rallies in DC back before we "invaded" > Iraq > (we had already been bombing the S**T out of them) Upon returnign home, we > saw there was little or no coverage, and even if there was, there were > reports of "several thousand" marchers when if fact the true amount was > several hundred thousand. The mainstream media is truly in the hands of > the > Bush regime, and nobody or no entity is allowed to criticize him, and > those > that do suffer miserably or get stifled by a biased press. > - Original Message - > From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:22 AM > Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Disappearing Antiwar Protests > > >> http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2677 >> Disappearing Antiwar Protests >> Media shrug off mass movement against war >> >> 9/27/05 >> >> Hundreds of thousands of Americans around the country protested the >> Iraq War on the weekend of September 24-25, with the largest >> demonstration bringing between 100,000 and 300,000 to Washington, >> D.C. on Saturday. >> >> But if you relied on television for your news, you'd hardly know the >> protests happened at all. According to the Nexis news database, the >> only mention on the network newscasts that Saturday came on the NBC >> Nightly News, where the massive march received all of 87 words. (ABC >> World News Tonight transcripts were not available for September 24, >> possibly due to pre-emption by college football.) >> >> Cable coverage wasn't much better. CNN, for example, made only >> passing references to the weekend protests. CNN anchor Aaron Brown >> offered an interesting explanation (9/24/05): >> >> "There was a huge 100,000 people in Washington protesting the war in >> Iraq today, and I sometimes today feel like I've heard from all >> 100,000 upset that they did not get any coverage, and it's true they >> didn't get any coverage. Many of them see conspiracy. I assure you >> there is none, but it's just the national story today and the >> national conversation today is the hurricane that put millions and >> millions of people at risk, and it's just kind of an accident of bad >> timing, and I know that won't satisfy anyone but that's the truth of >> it." >> >> To hear Brown tell it, a 24-hour cable news channel is somehow unable >> to cover more than one story at a time-- and the "national >> conversation" is something that CNN just listens in on, rather than >> helping to determine through its coverage choices. >> >> The following day (9/25/05), the network's Sunday morning shows had >> an opportunity to at least reflect on the significance of the >> anti-war movement. With a panel consisting of three New York Times >> columnists, Tim Russert mentioned the march briefly in one question >> to Maureen Dowd-- which ended up being about how the antiwar movement >> might affect Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential chances. >> >> On ABC's This Week, host George Stephanopoulos observed, "We've seen >> polls across the board suggesting that we're bogged down now in Iraq >> and now you have this growing protest movement. Do you believe that >> we're reaching a tipping point in public opinion?" That question was >> put to pro-war Republican Sen. John McCain, who responded by >> inaccurately claiming: "Most polls I see, that most Americans believe >> still that we have to stay the course I certainly understand the >> dissatisfaction of the American people but I think most of them still >> want to stay the course and we have to." >> >> A recent CBS/New York Times poll (9/9-13/05) found 52 percent support >> for leaving Iraq "as soon as possible." A similar Gallup poll >> (9/16-18) found that 33 percent of the public want some troops >> withdrawn, with another 30 percent wanting all the troops withdrawn. >> Only 34 percent wanted to maintain or increase troop >> levels--positions that could be described as wanting to "stay the >> course." Stephanopoulos, however, faile
Re: [Biofuel] Running Toyota Landcruiser (HDJ80) on WVO?
Keith and All Thanks for the word of caution when assuming that commercial biodiesel is all high quality. I am now gathering the material for my first biodiesel processor and will share my results with the group. Scott - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Running Toyota Landcruiser (HDJ80) on WVO? > Hello Scott, Julian > >>Julian >> >>I have been running B100 in my 1986 BJ74 Land Cruiser ( four cylinder >>turbo >>diesel ) for two years now and >>have noticed only positive differences ( less noise, smooth idle, etc ). >>It >>actually seems to have more power. >>I have been buying commercially made biodiesel so the quality is >>consistently high. > > I hope so, but it might not be the safest assumption. Previous message: > >>Currently I resell commercial manufactured biodiesel in Atlanta, GA. >>Over the past 2 years I have seen the quality of this fuel vary >>greatly... Funny thing about the "commercially manufactured" >>biodiesel... One of the big arguments against backyard biodiesel >>(from industry folks) is quality, yet every batch that I have made, >>and every batch I have seen by a homebrew biodiesel maker has been >>much better than the "fuel" I am reselling. Individuals with small >>scale setups seem to really care, take their time, and craft their >>fuel...after all..most are using it in their own cars, not selling >>to the boiler fuel market. > > -- Rob Del Bueno, Vegenergy, Biofuel list 28 Dec 2004 > > See: > > Quality > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#qual1 > > Best wishes > > Keith > > >>Scott >> >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Julian Voelcker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: >>Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 1:00 AM >>Subject: [Biofuel] Running Toyota Landcruiser (HDJ80) on WVO? >> >> >> > An enterprising local farmer has started making and selling 100% >> > Biodiesel from WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil) and is selling it for 85pence >> > per litre (about 10-15% less than we normally pay for diesel here in >> > the UK). >> > >> > Has anyone here experimented with running their HDJ80 on WVO? >> > >> > Initial research indicates that it should run fine, but I would >> > appreciate some feedback from anyone actually running the stuff in >> > their 80. >> > -- >> > Regards, >> > >> > Julian Voelcker >> > Mobile: 07971 540362 >> > Cirencester, United Kingdom >> > 1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Running Toyota Landcruiser (HDJ80) on WVO?
Julian I have been running B100 in my 1986 BJ74 Land Cruiser ( four cylinder turbo diesel ) for two years now and have noticed only positive differences ( less noise, smooth idle, etc ). It actually seems to have more power. I have been buying commercially made biodiesel so the quality is consistently high. Scott - Original Message - From: "Julian Voelcker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 1:00 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Running Toyota Landcruiser (HDJ80) on WVO? > An enterprising local farmer has started making and selling 100% > Biodiesel from WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil) and is selling it for 85pence > per litre (about 10-15% less than we normally pay for diesel here in > the UK). > > Has anyone here experimented with running their HDJ80 on WVO? > > Initial research indicates that it should run fine, but I would > appreciate some feedback from anyone actually running the stuff in > their 80. > -- > Regards, > > Julian Voelcker > Mobile: 07971 540362 > Cirencester, United Kingdom > 1994 HDJ80, 2.5" OME Lift > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel
Diesel fuel filters and fuel / water separators for fuel lines in truck engines are from 30 microns down to 5. I've seen one fuel / water separator that claims 2 microns. - Original Message - From: "Ed Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel > Greetings greasy-ones, > > Some clarification please, I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly. > > 10 micron is .000394 inch, that's pretty darn small. Even 20 micron at > .00079 inch is vey small. > > For perspective (for me anyway), the thickness of paper is around .004 > inch > (100 micron) and human hair is about half that at .0025 inch (70 micron). > At > .0016 inch, 20 micron seems to be adaquate. Yet many people seem to be > filtering down to 5 micron. Are the tolerances in the fuel pump that > close? > > Someone on this sight rated typical restaurant paper cone grease filters > at > about 25 micron, is that accurate? > > Your thoughts, > > >>10 microns is a normal filter size for diesel engines, unless equipped >>with >>a common-rail system. So, >filtering at 10 microns is good, 5 microns even >>better assuming that the biodiesel has an abnormal >content of solids >>which >>will lead to filter clogging very rapidly. > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] (no subject)
I'm pretty new here. Hello all: Question: 1. Is there a requirement to use a red gas can for biofuel (yellow for diesel)? 2. How does an apartment dweller create fuel in his or her small space? Scott - Original Message - From: "Gary Shenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] (no subject) > Hey Michael > > Would like some help also if you have the time. Any advice on the best > way > to get started? > > Thanks > > Gary > > > > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] (no subject) >>Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:37:21 -0400 >> >>Hi, I live in Seale, Alabama. >> >>I would be happy to work with you. I have been making biodiesel for >>almost 3 years now. >> >>I look forward to hearing from you. >> >>Cheers! >> >>Michael Lendzian >>CINS Network Support Team >>Columbus State University >>CINS/Center for Commerce & Technology Room 105 >>706.569.3044 (help desk) >> >>- Original Message - >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 7:22 pm >>Subject: [Biofuel] (no subject) >> >> > I am looking for someone in Alabama, preferably Birmingham area >> > that is making bio fuel that would be willing to show me the >> > process and equipment used. I will also drive to TN, GA, MS, N-FL, >> > if anyone is available. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Hunter >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Biofuel mailing list >> > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >> > >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or >>g >> > >> > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >> > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> > >> > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >> > messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > >> > >> >>___ >>Biofuel mailing list >>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org >> >>Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html >> >>Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 >>messages): >>http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ >> > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Making Our Own
I am new to the list and have been reading daily for about two months now. I am very impressed with the level of knowledge and the willing attitude to share that knowledge. Thanks I live across Puget Sound from Seattle on Bainbridge Island, Washington and I have been running my turbo diesel Land Cruiser on commercially made B100 for about a year now. Great results !!! I am interested now to find others in this area that may be willing to make a combined effort to set up a processor and start making our own Biodiesel here on the island. Anyone interested Thanks again for the biodiesel info and the stimulating dialogue. Scott Brown ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Re: killing or toppling leaders
Besides, it violates the Constitution, Article VI - The Supreme Law of the Land - Original Message - > You really don't want to live in a world where nations run around > killing or toppling leaders they don't like. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Iraq Invasion - Age of Oil Scarcity
How many of us had an "AHA moment" when reading this article? We now see the real reason for this illegal war [or at least one of the reasons]. Saddam Hussein was about to be given a clean bill of health by the UN inspection team beacuse he obviously didn't have WMD's. He was then going to open the spigots and start selling oil. Not only was he going to sell oil for Euros exacerbating the decline of the dollar, but that would also have driven the global price of oil down. Clearly, EXXON/Mobile, Chevron/Texaco, BP/Amoco et. al. did not want the price of oil to go down. "ExxonMobil Corporation reported the fourth quarter of 2004 as its highest quarter ever..." http://www.npnweb.com/uploads/featurearticles/2005/MarketingStrategies/0503ms.asp PEACE Scott - Original Message - > Instead of inaugurating a new age of cheap oil, the Iraq war may become known as the beginning of an era of scarcity. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: Criminal
US Constitution Article VI: All treaties entered into, or that shall be entered into, shall be the Supreme Law of the Land. That is worth repeating. SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND UN Charter: Ratified by the US Senate and signed by President Truman, Chapter 1, Article 2 (4) No member state shall use the threat or the use of force against the territorial integrity or the political sovereignty of any other nation. Clearly, Bush and his minions violated the UN Charter which is a treaty that had been legally entered into and that makes it The Supreme Law of the Land. They broke the law! They are CRIMINALS. Richard Perle, chairman of the Defense Policy Board admitted as much on November 19, 2003. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1089158,00.html He failed to make the connection with "international law" and Article VI of the US Constitution. It amazes me how some people who live in America, and call themselves patriotic, are willing to ignore the Constitution [as well as other parts of our national "DNA" that are found in the "documents of liberty."] If you don't believe in what America stands for, and you aren't willing to defend it, then you don't believe in America. You're Un-American. Period! PEACE Scott - Original Message - > ( Hakan wrote;...Criminal, established by the fact that we now know that > Iraq were no WMD threat to US. ) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: the 4th Estate
- Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > By the way, Joanne asked you this: > > >Hello Scott, > >Can you provide a link or links for details on: > >> > > > >>while babies in Texas have their breathing > >>tubes ripped from their bodies against their mother's wishes because the > >>hospital can't extract enough money from them. > > > >Thank you, > >Joanne > > Please don't ignore people when they question you. I sent her a message addressing her quest for the links. I wasn't aware that I was required to spend additional bandwidth by sending my reply to the entire group. Here it is for anybody who cares. - Original Message - From: "Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Joanne Olafson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil > http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/21571/ > > > http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:VYoW6FOhyLIJ:www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3087387+Sun+Hudson&hl=en > > > http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3079622 > > Here are three links > > It's called the Texas Futile Care Law > > Google is your friend. > http://www.google.com/search?q=Texas+Futile+Care+Law&btnG=Search&hl=en&lr= > > PEACE > Scott > > - Original Message - > From: "Joanne Olafson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil > > > > Hello Scott, > > Can you provide a link or links for details on: > > > > > > > >while babies in Texas have their breathing > > > tubes ripped from their bodies against their mother's wishes because the > > > hospital can't extract enough money from them. > > > > Thank you, > > Joanne > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: the 4th Estate
Dan Rather certainly made the same point on British TV when he talked about being "necklaced" if he reported the truth about the bogus rush to war in Iraq. It was a confession that Americans did not see on the corporate controlled TV stations here in the States. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/archive/2029634.stm PEACE Scott - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debunking the Swinton quote. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
What sealed Saddam's fate was him converting to the Euro as Iraq's Oil Reserve Currency in November 2000. UN weapons inspectors were inside Iraq and about to certify Iraq as WMD-Free. Since 97% of all his WMD's were destroyed in the first weapons inspections before the inspectors were ordered out of Iraq by the Clinton Administration the day before the US and Britain started bombing, those inspectors would have had to give Saddam a clean bill of health as far as WMD's were concerned and he would have been able to open the oil spigots and sell his oil for Euro's. Iran had indicated a willingness to also convert to Euro's as well as North Korea. The "axis of evil" or in other words, the axis of petro-dollar elimination. If and when the time comes that China and Japan do not need a large reserve of dollars with which to buy oil, the US Dollar will be essentially what it costs to produce. i.e.nearly worthless, $.003 for any denomination... that's what it costs to print, and eventually that's what it will be worth. The illegal Iraq war is only a stop-gap to the inevitable crash of the global petro-dollar economy. It's not just about the oil, it's about propping up the fraudulent dollar. PEACE Scott - Original Message - From: "Rick Littrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sadam did not declare war on us and presented no immediate threat. In the long run he was a danger to US and European oil interests ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: the 4th Estate
- Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We rely on the 4th Estate (of which I'm a lifelong member) to do that for us, that's their role and essential function, but (though the exceptions are many and honorable) there's no need for me to say how derelict they've become in this duty, especially over the last few decades. It's always been a "kept" press, of course, owned by the very interests it's supposed to protect society against. ---end--- The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes. - John Swinton, the Chief of Staff for the New York Times, 1953 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: Security Threats and Religious belief
- Original Message - From: "Henri Naths" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > would you rather have some rogue government agent throw you in jail for being a "security threat" You mean like Jan Lentz, Suni Haught, and Mauricio Rosas? Three senior citizens arrested at a Bush rally in Tampa on July 4, 2001? Their transgression? Holding an 8x10 cardboard sign saying "BOO" http://search.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?SearchID=73116629072027&Avis=SH&Dato=20021102&Kategori=NEWS&Lopenr=211020364&Ref=AR > How about your whole family killed because you have the wrong "religious" belief You mean like the Schiavo family who are under protective armed guard because of the death threats by the Christians? Same for Judge Greer's family. And 9 Republican lawmakers? Like them? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/story/293376p-251139c.html ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil
Knowing that more than 100 million potential voters didn't bother to go to the polls, that percentage drops to approximately 24.5%. Bush was re-"elected" by less than a fourth of the country. I suspect that many of that minority were influenced by the two-word memes such as "compassionate conservative" and "war on terror." Now we hear about a "culture of life" in Florida while babies in Texas have their breathing tubes ripped from their bodies against their mother's wishes because the hospital can't extract enough money from them. [the Futile Care Law signed by Governor George W. Bush] I fear that much of America is hypnotized by the media and their bumper-sticker tabloidisms. Many others are "married" to the Republican Party and wouldn't vote for Jesus if he was the Democratic nominee. We also witness evergy policy from the Bush White House crafted in secret by the energy companies and the criminals who bilked Grandma Millie in California out of billions of dollars. The only way to really change the direction of the country's energy policy, or any other policy I suppose, is to do it ourselves and not count on any help from the Oil Oligarchs in Washington, D.C. The tipping point, or critical mass, is relatively small. Slightly less than 10%. Studies show in a bactrial culture that when the "good bacteria" reach the 9.99% or close to that number, I forget... trying to write this from memory and don't remember exactly where I read the data, anyway, when the "good" bacteria in the cullture reaches the ten percent level, the entire culture turns "good." Not so with the bad bacteria in the culture, it can reach numbers approaching 50% and still when the "good" bacteria reach the magic number near 10%, the whole culture turns good. I hope to join the ranks of homebrewers sometime this fall after I make the move from the city here in S. Florida to the "woods" of North Florida and begin building my off-grid home. Thanks for all the input as I mostly lurk in the background for now soaking in as much information about what works for you'all and what doesn't. I'll try and keep politics to a minimum on these lists but it can't be totally ignored when it overwhelms almost every aspect of our increasingly government-controlled lives. PEACE and veggies Scott - Original Message - From: "Tom Irwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:13 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil Hakan, Please understand and tell your friends that 48% of America voted against George Bush and his policies. That«s a lot of good people. I think that many who voted for Bush did so based on fear or his stand to overturn existing abortion laws. Many of the 48% feel he«s leading the country and the economy into ruins. I am awaiting the burning of books, particularly dictionaries and anticipate the Department of Defense being renamed the Ministry of Peace. Orwell and Huxley should be read again by everyone. The control of mass media in the U.S. by large corporations is the most onerous attack on free speech every propagated in history. Most folks are unaware of their great loss. Hang tough, there is no way this path for my country is sustainable let alone constitutional. Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio Willie
OK, point made! The main reason I posted was regarding Bio Willie. Interesting, I'm now seeing clips about Willie Nelson and his bus on CNN. It's getting more into the mainstream consciousness that we are not going to survive the next millenia on dinosaur fuel. Or that we cannot allow ourselves to be held hostage to the Saudi's cash-flow in the shorter term. I really believe that hemp is a part of the overall answer. So much for Newman, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for his machine to be on sale at Harbor Freight. I had recieved notice of Newman's "press conference" and added that to the bottom of the post, but that was not my main intent. It was an afterthought. My grandfather was a crazy inventor, too, and modified his 1939 Hudson automobile to run on hydrogen. That was in 1947. So I know that we could be driving hydrogen cars in 2005. There's a guy down under that is running a small 4-cylinder car on similar technology. That's not what I'm interested in doing at this time. My immediate course of action is to get a diesel car and I'm going to go check on a '72 Mercedes 220 later this week. I figure that will be a good choice to get started. There's also an '83 300 on my radar screen. I believe it may be better to have an older model without all the computer controls. Comments? I'm also in the market for a diesel pusher or motorcoach suitable for RV conversion. I have a question. Is it better to have MUI injectors or DDEC in a veggie diesel bus? Again, I think it might be better without computer controls. I can't afford a conversion like Willie is driving around but as a former yacht builder, I'm confident that I can make an old MCI or GM quite livable. PEACE Scott - Original Message - From: "Kenneth Kron (CEO)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio Willie >Well I thought I'd do a little research as the National Press Club, >which does host very distinguished invited speakers very frequently, >and is an organization that I hold in fairly high esteem. It turns >out that the National Press Club does not list any event including any >Joseph Newman so while he may be hosting his "News Conference" at the >NPC he is not speaking to the NPC a big difference. So unless there's >been some mistake on the press clubs event listing it looks like a >manufactured grab for legitimacy. >Keith Addison wrote: > > Hi Bob > It's a hardy perennial ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Bio Willie
Hi all. I'm pretty much a newbie on the Bio fuels email groups. I ran into this article this morning. An interesting story in the Press & Dakotan http://www.yankton.net/stories/032405/opEd_20050324002.shtml It's about Willie Nelson, Jim Hightower and Congressman Dennis Kucinich, who was a Democratic candidate for President last year. Oh, yeah, it's also about Bio-Diesel. excerpt: "ExxonMobil and the like don't want you knowing this, but if you take veggie oil and process it slightly to remove the glycerin (which, by the way, is what soap is made of) you have a ready-to-go fuel for diesel engines. Whether you have a diesel pickup truck or a Mercedes, it'll run on this stripped down veggie oil without requiring any modification to the engine. Just tank up and go!" Oh, I almost forgot. For those interested in other forms of alternate energy, there will be a press conference at the National Press Club next Monday afternoon. Joseph Newman will explain and demonstrates his newest energy machine prototype 1pm Monday, March 28, 2005 - Energy News Conference - DC National Press Club - - NEW ENERGY TECHNOLOGY DEMO - Newman Energy Machine News Conference http://www.josephnewman.com Joseph Newman will display/demonstrate his newest energy machine that is a quantum leap above his earlier energy machine technology. As the price of oil escalates, Joseph Newman's energy machine is an inexpensive, non-polluting electromagnetic source for the world's energy needs. This technology provides access to virtually unlimited energy that is abundant, inexpensive, and environmentally-friendly. The Newman energy machine is an electromagnetic motor that runs COOL (unlike ALL conventional motors) and harnesses the elemental forces of the universe in accordance with the 1st Law of Thermodynamics. The Newman energy machine will provide a stable and durable alternative to oil, gas, coal, and nuclear energy sources. This technology will power every automobile, home, appliance, farm, factory, ship, and plane at a FRACTION of the present cost of energy. A worldwide inexpensive energy source will have profound geopolitical implications for the Middle East. Peace & Veggies! Scott ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Methanol and NUTS in Portland
consider somebody selling cone-bottom barrels on Ebay. I read a great JTF article on how to make them ... I have two college degrees, and realized I couldn't make one, nor could I instruct my farmer father-in-law on how to do it ... we'd both be grinding till the cows-come-home, and we don't have those ... just nuts and weaner pigs. On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:43:05 -0600, Theo Chadzichristos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have the ability to make some extra reactors then I need, and I was thinking of putting them on ebay or something but wasn't sure anyone would want one. I might do that if there is enough interest. I'd be interested. Shoot, why isn't there a BIODIESEL parts warehouse. You GUYS have put together nice systems, you have the experience, and it looks like you want to change the world. CHANGE IT ONE BIOFUELMAKER AT A TIME. MAKE IT EASY FOR THEM. MAKE IT A HOUSEHOLD ITEM. Small farmers around here would snap them up, if it was easy for them. My dad spends tons of time fabricating/fixing his own farm machinery to bring in the crop. Cab sheilds, drags, plows, discs, blowers and pickers to name a few implements... they barely have enough time to keep their operation going, and no-way time to make a reactor. They'd make time to order oil, order methanol, dump it in and flip some switches, fill-up in the morning, and they'd even make time to wash, settle and filter, because they delight in INDEPENDENCE. Make it as easy as making home-made ice-cream. They are accustomed to buying equipment. AG-SHOWS ... I've not been in two years, but I'll bet systems will be showing-up there. Maybe I ought to be a distributor when I grow-up. I'm going to talk to people that are making systems. They're on to something. Someone said to "stay away" from these systems ... why? They're way overpriced, but what else is wrong with plastic reactors? I talked to a stainless tank maker today ... $3,000 for a 100gal cone-bottom ... manufactured right here in Canby, Oregon. Think I'll wait for more cows. NUTS, speaking of them: does anybody know if Filberts / Hazelnuts would make the right kind of oil. I'm seeing they have 50% content. We occassionally get throw-outs from processing plants ... 800-1000lb totes ... might make 400-500lbs of oil ... how many gals is that ... divide 7.85? ... about 60 gals occassionally. Is it worth looking into pressing that small amount? Grind first? I've got (20) 5 gal buckets of filbert paste ... yum, packed in their own oil, some in sunflower oil. It's for pigs now, (not for human consumption), but the pigs just say NO to all the oil. Since these buckets have been sitting a year plus now, I've got good butter/oil separation, a good third to half-bucket ... but is Hazelnut oil any good? Anybody give me the GO/NO-GO. With regards to the methanol I think you will find varying cooperation form each company. I found some that didn't want to waste there time with me but others were very eager for my business. It would probably help if you could get under some kind of a small business/company name then companies take you more serious. Lab equipment suppliers might know someone who would sell in smaller quantities but if not just keep looking. METHANOL: I've been on the phone all day ... raceways, and drag strips ... I LIKE THESE GUYS ... "come and get it" $4.00/gal ... small quantites or by barrel. Miller Paint went to work for me and gave me three excellent sources they use ... all of them panned-out too. I got a glimmer of hope in being able to believe MAN'S word again. Best I can find is $3.54/gal ... I can see this hunt will be a routine and constant in making BD. BUT, Theo, you're right, these companies want to see legitimate business. One company salesman is sending someone to our farm to make sure we're a farm. I said, "I don't have a set-up yet, I don't have a company name yet, I'm checking FEASIBILITY ... but come on-out". He said, it's a LIABILITY-thing for us. "I don't want to see our barrel label on the NEWS ..." ... GULP SOMEONE please tell me what these guys are looking for ... they're going to find barns, pigs, tractors, and lot's of Hazelnut trees. I DON'T want to be on a radar screen ... sheesh ... can someone please tell me about MeOH in the US. IS IT LAWFUL TO OWN? assume yes ... IS IT A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE? assume no ... ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO TRANSPORT IT? ... race guys don't ... it must be a no-no AM I RIGHT TO ASK TO HAVE IT BARREL DELIVERED? ... assume absolutely ... OK TO SIGN A COMPANY WAIVER, POISON MYSELF, AND/OR BURN THE FARM DOWN? ... assume sure, I'm free to do just that and there
Re: [Biofuel] Born Again: Help Portland, Oregon
list would be bored. Makes sense to contribute to list, at worst, it might archive some of the latest figures/calculations. By the way, immediately after I sent my FIRST message to the list the whole JTF site went down ... no more list messages, nothing ... gulp ... I thought I had asked such a dumb question my IP address was shot-down. Glad to see you are still there this morning. Well, if anyone can help get me going, I'm all ears ... meanwhile, I'm still looking for good components for a system that will produce 4K gal per year: personal plus one other family. Here's what I've found: Supplier of relatively affordable cone-bottom plastic vessels: Wilbur-Ellis (Ag), Albany, Oregon (800)982-1099 30 gal $90 65 gal $180 100 gal $295 Stands $150 Pumps: Looking for air-powered diaphragm pumps ... for a whole lot less than $500+ (Grainger). There's got to be something cheap that will take the motor out of the equation. Any suggestions where to look? Appointment with Restaurant owner today: I'm not ready to handle their waste yet. I'll just ask them what they need to make life easier. How else can I "grease the wheels" and make this sustainable for the long-haul. Buckets, barrels, dump-station, whatever they need: my attitude is to help them. Does this mean I should be willing to take garbage? What is reasonable to ask them? To pour-off their WVO separately? Doubt it. Get what you get, beggar, patties, fries, spatulas, the works. Be a renderer? I'll find-out, the hard way. Methanol supply elludes me: Email contacts simply aren't working ... drum level orders are too small amount, apparently. Anybody out there? Thanks, Scott -- On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 00:58:53 +0900, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: NO!!! NOT offline! Do it onlist, for several reasons. First, you'll get more participation and interaction, and better responses as a result. Also, a lot of people ask these same or similar questions, and if you do it onlist the answers will be in the archives forever for future seekers to find there. Otherwise they'll be on your hard disk and a few others doing not very much, or at least not as much. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.7 - Release Date: 3/1/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Born Again: Help Portland, Oregon
ncy of
waste)
2,000 gal per week (approx)
274 gal per day (continuous) OR (think
work-week)
400 gal per day (2 weeks vacation, ha!, 5 day
week)
8 50 gal barrels per day
ANSWERS:
- Production volume requires at least one 330 gal batch processor or
series
ie. (3-4) 100 gal processors, etc.
- DELIVERY: you'll need a tank truck and/or 2-4 thousand gal storage
(min)
- PICKUP: you tell me ... how many restaurants would
you need to collect
8 barrels per day? This sounds like a
full-time collection job?
CONCLUSION:
- NOT A ONE MAN JOB (with wvo)
- Happy with $50K? cut volume in half
- Happy with $3,400? make 40 gal / week, collect a barrel (4-5
restaurants)
- Want to help one other family? make 80 gals / week, collect two
barrels (10 rest)
Which leads to another QUESTION:
What if you buy farm-clean SVO?
ANSWER: Further increase production volume or price.
EDUCATED GUESS: Margins narrow, effort increases,and why BD is
expensive, scarce
and/or left to personal producers.
... and another QUESTION:
What's going on with renderers???
They've got pick-up costs, labor, processing, but there has to be great
profit
potential for them, yes?
GUESS: One way to have a thriving BD business (quit your day-job), is
to become a
renderer, OR farm a k-zillion acres for oil, AND/OR farm and process
for
200 proof ...
Where have I gone wrong? What am I missing?
Sincerely,
Scott McFarland
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RE: Re: [biofuel] building your own diesel motorcycle
The one US project of which I am aware is at http://f1engineering.com/ . They are building a Diesel motorcycle as part of the US military's one fuel program. (The military would like to be able to have all ground vehicles use diesel fuel to help with logistics.) It looks like a fairly nice bike. Unfortunately, the last update I got from them says that they don't have the resources to invest in DOT testing right now, so they are just delivering the military version. Based on this thread, I wonder if they would be willing to sell just the powertrain? I have to believe that there are enough knuckleheads out there who forgot to check or change the oil in their KLR650s to provide a few rolling chassises. Scott On Mon, 2004-05-31 at 16:29, Peer Plaut wrote: > It is my understanding that a major mc manufacture is going to build a > diesel, I think suzuki?? > Peer > > Original Message -- > > > > > HA I have had this very idea for years. Not too many engines out there > with > the proper requirements, most of the small engines I looked at are > industrial and do not have the capacity. It may be posible to use one of > the > new .8 liter Benz engines used in the SmartCar. It is a fun project I hope > to try one day. > -- Original Message -- > From: "tshadow6" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 9:47 PM > Subject: [biofuel] building your own diesel motorcycle > > > > Has anyone out there built a diesel powered motorcycle? If so, let > > me know, I believe it would be a good project. > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > href="http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > Biofuels list archives: > > > href="http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/";>http://infoarchivenet/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > href="http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html";>http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > href="http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/";>http://infoarchivenet/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups > Sponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT href="http://rd.yahoo.com/SIG=129gg4r4h/M=295196.4901138.60713053001176/D=groups/S=1705083269:HM/EXP=1086117104/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*http://companion.yahoo.com"; > alt=""> src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ya/yahoo_companion/lrec_companion_043004.gif"; > alt="click here" width="300" height="250" border="0"> > > > src="http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=295196.4901138.6071305.3001176/D=groups/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=900909608";> > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/";>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/";>Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --~--> > Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM > --~-> > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- Scott Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] New to list questions?
Hello All, I've been interested in making Biodiesel for some time but just found the list. First question, Does anyone know of any BioDiesel coops in NY state. Preferrably north of NYC. Secondly I have read a lot online and have seen claims of people making Biodiesel for $.60/gal. Is that really possible? Has anyone ever tracked that? What would be a typical average per gallon? Also if there are any NYC people who would be interested in partnering to make some biodiesel, I have space and some $ for supplies but I'm not strong on the chemistry and am hesitant to do it alone. If you're interested please feel free to email me off list. Scott Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] anyone making fuel in Missouri?
I am wanting to if possible see someone's operation if I can as I am interested in making fuel to use in my farming operation. I am located in SW Missouri USA Scott Bradley Bradley's Better Beef 760 southpaw road Ozark, Mo. 65721 www.realbeef.com Warm up with wood heat! www.outsidewoodheater.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] anyone in Missouri making any biodiesel?
I am a farmer in SW Missouri and found this group about 2 weeks ago. I am wondering if anyone is making any fuel in SW Missouri? I am reading the posts but would like to "see" someones operation if I could. THanks Scott Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation
you need to look at alcohol the same way you look a other chemicals Methanol is " Wood Alcohol " and it can kill you or at the least cause blindness at the least and ethanol is grain or fruit based ect. and if you drink to much you will wish your dead ( hangovers are rough ) So don't mix paper with nice fermentables .As for 450 gal's build a 500 gal still and get a bunch of plastic 55 gal barrels to use for fermetation and you want have but a few weeks work , so don't waste money on sugar and collect all of the un picked apples , peaches , berries you can find and go to work . As for yeast contact White Labs in california and they should have distillation yeast available.remember the purity of the alcohol comes from multiple distillations W Scott Pro Brewer - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 5:26 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation > Hi, > > I was just wondering how much ethanol I could hope to product in one year > with a small still. I am hoping to get started this spring and I would > like to be able to product about 450 gallons of ethanol over the summer. > Using news paper as a feed stock, would this be a realistic goal? > > Also, I have been looking around the web for more information about making > ethanol. I found a site for making "hooch", but I think that fuel > ethanol is the same thing. From what I have read on that site you can make > ethanol from pure sugar in as little as 5 days, but need special yeast (or > yeast with other stuff added to feed the yeast). Would this be a good > choice for making fuel ethanol? > > Thanks, > Al > > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004, W Scott Pyatt wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:03:04 -0500 > > From: W Scott Pyatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation > > > > standard ethanol production is a bit more costly and timely than most people > > think, as for the legal aspect of it there are a lot of records that must be > > kept and yes you are open for federal inspection ( TTB ) as well as state > > level alcohol inforcement, I have been in the alcohol buisness for over 5 > > years and the state and federal goverment have been very easy to work with. > > W Scott > > - Original Message - > > From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:28 AM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation > > > > > > > If I remember right, inspections of the property that the permit is for, > > anytime the BATF, wants to look around. > > > > > > Greg H. > > > - Original Message - > > > From: j_schearer > > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 05:00 > > > Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation > > > > > > > > > If the individual goes through all > > > the proper paper procedures and obtains the distillation permit, what > > > can one expect from the gov't after this? > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation
as for can any new car truck use ethanol you need to check the vin code on the vehicle in question to see if the fuel injection rail is ethanol rated , yes they really do have 2 different rails and it does matter to the Mfg. W Scott - Original Message - From: "Terry Wilhelm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation > > My question is about registering with the Federal gov't for legal > distillation for fuel alcohol. If the individual goes through all > the proper paper procedures and obtains the distillation permit, what > can one expect from the gov't after this? > > > > The only paperwork that is required for an Application and Permit For Alcohol Fuel Producer (form 5110.74). At present this form is not on ATF's/TTB website for download. Just a phone call to the national center and they will put some in the mail to you. I have never heard of anyone having been turned down nor have I ever heard of anyone having a government official show up to verify the permit. There is not much to expect from the government after the permit process. You do need to file a report at the end of the year stating how much alcohol you have produced. I would guess that they bounce this information against what number that you file for tax credits. > > > > Are you only allowed to produce "x" amount of ethanol per year for personal use? > > > > A small producers permit allows 50,000 proof gallons a year. Personal or otherwise. > > > > Will the individual be expected to pay highway taxes on their own alcohol > produced? > > > > There are no highway taxes on ethanol. Just tax credits. > > > > Does the gov't perform routine inspections on a person's personal still? > > > > I have never heard of a single inspection on a small producers permit. > > > > Also, what would make a good denaturant? > > > > Some acceptable denaturants are: gasoline, kerosene, deodorized kerosene, rubber hydrocarbon solvent, methyl isobutyl and mixed isomers of nitropropane. > > > > Final question to members-how does straight ethanol perform in fuel > injected gasoline engines? > > > > Great ! You can go to GM, Dodge and Ford and buy it off the showroom floor. > > > > Thanks. Jonathan. > > > > Hope that this helps. > > Regards, > > Terry Wilhelm > > The Revenoor Co. INC > > "Serving The World With Stills" > > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation
standard ethanol production is a bit more costly and timely than most people think, as for the legal aspect of it there are a lot of records that must be kept and yes you are open for federal inspection ( TTB ) as well as state level alcohol inforcement, I have been in the alcohol buisness for over 5 years and the state and federal goverment have been very easy to work with. W Scott - Original Message - From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation > If I remember right, inspections of the property that the permit is for, anytime the BATF, wants to look around. > > Greg H. > - Original Message - > From: j_schearer > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 05:00 > Subject: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation > > > If the individual goes through all > the proper paper procedures and obtains the distillation permit, what > can one expect from the gov't after this? > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My second batch - questions
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 11:53, Keith Addison wrote: > Hello Scott > > >I made a small batch of biodiesel using Alek's 2 stage process that > >seemed to work pretty well. So now, I've tried to make a 3 gallon > >batch. I'm using (unused) Canola oil. All told, I got about 2 > quarts > >of glycerine out of both stages. I used 6g of lye per liter of oil. > > Is this the first time you've made biodiesel? Why did you use 6g of > lye per liter of oil? I made a small batch before using 6.25 g/l. Since I got some soap formation and since the note about cutting back to 6 g/l appears on the page now as a note at the bottom, I thought I'd give that a try. What should I have done? Is there a good way to rescue what I have? Thanks, Scott > > Keith > > >I had a few unexpected results. First, after the second stage had > >settled, I had a layer on top of the FAME. It was quite thin, but > >solid enough that when I picked it up with a ladle, the part over the > >edge of the ladle came up also. Is that wax, soap or something else? > > > >I also did the shake test (although as I looked at the directions > >again later, I realized I had shaken for a few seconds rather than > 10) > >. The result separated quickly, but the top layer is a cloudy light > >yellow rather than the clear yellow that I had expected. > > > >Finally, I'm bubble washing now. From the very start, I've been > >getting a large amount of foam. Does this indicate soap. (I > >discovered that my pH meter had gone dry and died since my small > >batch, so I added no vinegar to the wash water.) > > > >Thanks, > >Scott Alexander > >Warren, NJ > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > __ > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. * -- Scott Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] My second batch - questions
I made a small batch of biodiesel using Alek's 2 stage process that seemed to work pretty well. So now, I've tried to make a 3 gallon batch. I'm using (unused) Canola oil. All told, I got about 2 quarts of glycerine out of both stages. I used 6g of lye per liter of oil. I had a few unexpected results. First, after the second stage had settled, I had a layer on top of the FAME. It was quite thin, but solid enough that when I picked it up with a ladle, the part over the edge of the ladle came up also. Is that wax, soap or something else? I also did the shake test (although as I looked at the directions again later, I realized I had shaken for a few seconds rather than 10) . The result separated quickly, but the top layer is a cloudy light yellow rather than the clear yellow that I had expected. Finally, I'm bubble washing now. From the very start, I've been getting a large amount of foam. Does this indicate soap. (I discovered that my pH meter had gone dry and died since my small batch, so I added no vinegar to the wash water.) Thanks, Scott Alexander Warren, NJ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Foolproof method
I wanted to try Alek's foolproof method, but the couple of sites that I've found via the Internet for sulfuric acid and phosphoric acid make them seem quite expensive. Presumably that means that I'm looking in the wrong place. Where should I go to get these at reasonable prices? Thanks, Scott Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Kucinich on Energy
http://www.kucinich.us/issues/issue_energy.htm "Thanks to advances in renewables, there are fewer technical obstacles to energy independence for our country. There are many political obstacles -- but the oil, auto and electric utility corporations won't be directing energy policy in a Kucinich White House. I will spur research and investment in "alternative" energy sources -- hydrogen, solar, wind and ocean -- and make them mainstream. Clean energy technologies will produce new jobs. We can easily double our energy from renewable sources by 2010. And we can soon have hybrid and fuel cell cars dominating the market. When I was Mayor of Cleveland, I defended public ownership of utilities; when I'm President, I will expand it. As a peace advocate, I will launch a major renewables effort because then Middle East oil fields will not loom so large as strategic or military targets. As an environmentalist, my view is always holistic and global: a Kucinich Administration will launch a "Global Green Deal" -- a major initiative to use our country's leadership in sustainable energy production to provide jobs to Americans, to reduce energy use here at home, and to partner with developing nations to provide their people with inexpensive, local renewable energy technologies. As a citizen of Planet Earth, I want this project for the same reason I will sign the Kyoto climate change treaty -- because we need it for our children and our grandchildren." * * * * * * Randy Scott "What would Dennis do?" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Naturally Painless & Spray Away Backaches & Joint Pain. $19.97 http://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid=2867&lp=m331.html http://us.click.yahoo.com/tJIe0D/79VGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodegradable detergent
An Engineer I work with was telling me about a detergent or cleaning agent that he has seen that is not only biodegradable, but also converts the grease, oil, sludge, etc to be biodegradable. He says he's seen this in some truck shops. Anyone know the name of this stuff? Randy Scott Houston Tx "Kucinich for President" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Buy Natural Vitamins for Good Prostate & Male Health. $28.97 http://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid=2865&lp=prosta2.html http://us.click.yahoo.com/qJIe0D/89VGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Natural gas crisis
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I really think far more success would be achieved if those with some > mechanical skill exchanged services or sold services to those with little or > no aptitude. I used to think it was just laziness but I am coming to > appreciate that there is a significant diversity in humankind and some will > find opening a jar a challenge so asking them to fab a solar receiver is > really not in their scope. Perhaps their contribution would be education and > exhortation of the community. What is needed though is action. Whatever your > gift -- get with it. > > Kirk I like the idea of bartering our skills for goods & services. Someone on another board was just promoting the idea of "local currency" to keep the profits of our labor from being siphoned off by already-rich capitalists and corporate whores. My position is that bartering is probably the best and most legal "local currency" available to us. I have mechanical aptitude, but also enough injuries to keep me from being able to do much manual labor. I'm not confined to a wheelchair, but I thank god that I learned how to do cadd drafting & mechanical design so I can work at a desk. I have some amateur knowledge of architecture and years of experience in structural steel design as well as other mechanical systems like piping and I've spent the last 4 years doing electrical drafting. Unfortunately, outside the corporate world, most skilled craftsmen don't need drawings & designs so much as they need materials and helpers and a sturdy ladder. One of the biggest swamps for me right now is that I just bought a house. While I now have the legal right to install such things as PV cells, my entire life savings was sucked up by the down payment and closing costs (It's always something, ain't it?). Anyhow, if any of you are serious about bartering talents count me in and let me know if there's anything I can do to earn brownie points. Randy Scott Drafting/Mechanical Design Detector Electronics Houston Tx 7138120088 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [7136836166 home] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Dear alles....
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Agie Adhitya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > my name is agie, i'm from kudus, indonesia. > i'm still new in this biodiesel / biofuel things. So, > can you all help me on it? > By the way, i just made a home-made biodiesel from > cooking oil. but i don't know if I relly made > biodiesel or not. Can you all help me how can I test > it? > > Thanks, > agie do you have a used engine, a spare engine that you can test with? RMS Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Oh wow...this SO groovy
Maybe you guys have already seen this, but I just found out about it. http://www.hempcycle.org/ The HempCycle project seeks to end our national addiction to petroleum by educating the public about the advantages of using renewable, biomass fuels and the latest in hybrid vehicle technology to heal the planet. "Hemp is a vast untapped renewable resource that could free America from dependence on foreign petroleum," says Dwyer. "Through a process called pyrolysis, hemp can produce 1,000 gallons of methanol per acre. Many gas stations are currently selling gasoline blended with up to 20% methanol. With relatively simple modifications to increase the compression of gasoline powered internal combustion engines, it is possible to use 100% methanol." http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm Employing state-of-the-art mechanical and electrical design technology, eCycle is developing a 180mpg motorcycle. The motorcycle features a 219cc direct injected, multifuel engine (petrodiesel, biodiesel, kerosene) and an 8kW brushless motor drive. The weight is 230lbs, with a top speed of 80mph and acceleration of 0-60 mph in 6 seconds. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Re: toyota turbo diesel - biofuel progress in India
I believe this may be a Peugeot engine. Malcolm Message: 2 Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:40:03 -0700 From: "Greg and April" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re: toyota turbo diesel - biofuel progress in india Sorry don't know anything about the 2CT. Greg H. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 06:41 Subject: [biofuel] Re: toyota turbo diesel - biofuel progress in india > Engine code 2CT 1974cc turbo diesel > > 1992 the same as toyota camry > > Best regards, > > Damian > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: BP chief fears US will carve up Iraqi oil riches
Message: 21 Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 21:12:30 -0500 From: "Steve Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re: BP chief fears US will carve up Iraqi oil riches the USA is a democratic Republic. Not a true democracy. Steve Spence What's the difference? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: article on epa and clean diesel: no insurmountable technological barriers
Message: 1 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:36:30 -0800 From: murdoch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: article on epa and clean diesel: no insurmountable technological barriers >AFAIK, older engines won't be able to run it without a retrofit of >some kind - or simply by adding 2% biodiesel to the fuel, solving the >low lubricity problem. The biodiesel industry guys see this as a big >opening for biodiesel. Then, with very low sulphur levels in the fuel >(and none in the biodiesel) the way is open for using emissions >control gear without poisoning the catalyst. I think that also >removes the current barriers to the clean and efficient Euro diesels >CARB's Lloyd talks of (and us). This helps clear up some of my thinking, but only partly. BTW, I didn't know there were such problems with catalyst control gear on diesel engines. Does this mean there haven't been any, or simply that they've been there but have generally been poisoned (have longevity problems?)? *There are no diesel engines with catalytic exhausts as far as I know. I believe there are proposals to fit them once the sulphur has been sufficiently lowered. If I understood the one or two previous posts I read on this matter, there is an "intermediate" level of fuel-cleaning available which would not cause as much need (if any?) to retrofit or change diesel engine setup, and this would, in the opinion of some clean-diesel advocates, be a better transitionary phase than simply switching to the lowest PPM sulfur standards, perhaps because it would cause less disruption. Thus, you'd have less upheaval in terms of engine warranty debates, costs of retrofitting, costs of integrating a lubricity cure, etc. *If it doesn't allow the use of exhaust cleaning equipment, what would be the point? I am not saying what my opinion is, just trying to flesh out my understanding of this. If the ULSD 2006 requirements require a modest level of retrofitting to run in all older diesel engines, then that would certainly be, at minimum, one heck of a big project, particularly for truckers, construction, farmers, etc? *Retrofitting is never required as far as I know. This perennial tug-and-pull between fuel-maker and engine-maker, with a lot of finger-pointing as to who should take the leadership roll, and so forth, is a theme I've seen played-out before. I think the consensus presented to me is that not much gets done unless *both* fuel maker and engine maker cooperate. Most of the cleaner-engine efforts seem predicated on some cleaner fuel. And this seems somewhat paralleled by one or two of the large Diesel makers now being fined because they've failed to come out with sufficiently cleaner engines, I think. I bet they'd have found it easier if they could have banked on cleaner fuel. Not that they shouldn't have been able to make some progress with the sufficient notice that they got, but it's a two-way-street, this engine-maker-fuel-maker thing. *Since there's no profit in it, neither will do anything without legislation. Malcolm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/jd3IAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: Revealed: Why Germans Oppose War in Iraq - French Fries
Message: 3 Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:53:05 +0900 From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Revealed: Why Germans Oppose War in Iraq - French Fries http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1101-07.htm Published on Friday, November 1, 2002 by CommonDreams.org Revealed: Why Germans Oppose War in Iraq - French Fries by Thom Hartmann An hour ago, I was standing deep in a Franconian forest of central Germany, gazing in amazement at the time-hidden ruins of an ancient castle, Nordek, that was first built in A.D. 950 and finally abandoned about 500 years ago. The massive stone structure looms two hundred yards above the Steinach river, and was probably built by the local warlord to control the trade on the river. A sign on the castle identifies three medieval wars that were fought for control of it, and, no doubt, for control of the river's trade. As the dried and disintegrated blood on Nordek's mute stones tells us, it all comes back to money. And the real money these days is in oil, since there's only about a 30- to 50-year supply of it left on the planet, and thus it's starting to rapidly increase in value. Unless, of course, you're talking about cooking oil. "Your car's exhaust smells like french fries," I said to Samuel Mueller as he drove me from the train station in Kulmbach, Germany. "It's because it's running on oil, possibly recycled from a restaurant," Samuel said. "It's a diesel engine modified to run on vegetable oil." Interestingly, here in Germany you can buy "bio-diesel" or recycled vegetable oil at gas stations, while in England people who modify their diesel cars to run on vegetable oil are vilified and even prosecuted. *Tax dodgers are prosecuted, not people who run their cars on bio-diesel, and those people were Welsh. In Germany the bio-diesel fuel they get at the pump is tax paid and legal. I'm happy to be corrected but I don't think pump bio-diesel is recycled, I think it's from fresh rape. Germans broadly oppose seizing the oil fields of Iraq, which are estimated to be the largest in the world, or, at worse, second only to Saudi Arabia, while Tony Blair is Europe's main (and, perhaps, only) cheerleader for former oil-industry CEO Bush's war plans. Germany is not an oil-producing nation, and the typical German consumes less than half the overall energy and oil of the typical American. The German government offers incentives to architects and companies to design and build energy-efficient or even energy-producing (as in active or passive solar, etc.) buildings, and public transportation (particularly the train system) is cheap, efficient, and very well maintained. England is an oil-producing nation, and the oil lobby in the UK, like in the USA, is powerful. In England using french-fry oil to power your car is considered unpatriotic, *Absolute nonsense. and can even land you in court. *if you haven't paid the tax. At the same time, securing the oil of the Middle East, perhaps with England's biggest oil companies as partners in the pumping consortium that will undoubtedly come out of an Iraqi war effort, is promoted to the British public by the corporate-owned British newspapers and similarly corporate-loyal UK politicians. *I've never seen that promoted and nobody would believe it. We all know that the Americans will carve it up for themselves. Malcolm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/jd3IAA/9bTolB/TM -~-> Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: Spain studies dropping renewable fuel subsidies
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:30:06 +0100 From: "Manolo Rolan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Spain studies dropping renewable fuel subsidies it's sad but it's true. and government is changing the law to give the big companies the power over biofuels market. Manolo Rolan Valencia Spain But didn't that report say the Spanish government are going to mandate some renewables into the electricity mix instead of paying subsidies? That seems a better option to me since generators can ignore subsidies, but not mandates. Malcolm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/jd3IAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Help needed
Hi Ben, Would you be able to published your research data on this forum. It sounds interesting. Cheers, Jim. -Original Message- From: Craig Reece [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2001 1:42 To: Biofuel; Biofuels-Biz; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] Help needed Subject: [Biodiesel] Help needed Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:36:51 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have several questions about bio diesel and waste vegetable oil, and I hope someone can point me in the right direction. I am a High School shop teacher, and my students are doing a science fair project on alternative diesel fuels. We are going to compare diesel, biodiesel, vegetable oil and filtered waste vegetable oil on a 4 HP engine. I have a dynamometer, gas analyzer, and various sensors and thermocouples so we can get a full range of data on all the fuels. Where can I find the btu content of all those fuels? Or better yet, is there any way we can find it experimentally? Also, what is the best source of filters for the waste oil? Thanks in advance, Ben Hazel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] New Member Pleased to Join
Hi Guys, Ive just come on board with the group and look forward to interacting with you all. I am a self employed Auto Electrician in New Zealand and are about to create my first batch of Bio Diesel.You expertise and ideas to help me would be most welcome. Regards Scott W _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] junkies, etc
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> seen from abroad, as a non-resident alien with a tad less insular view,
the
> present 'war on drugs' waged by the us gvt. seems to benefit just two
> players :
War on Drugs. What a farce! It merely serves to make opponents to drugs FEEL
like the Govt is doing something. In reality, it serves to strenghten the
drug cartels, drive up prices, etc. The bottom line is simple. A drugged up
US is more passive and can't see clear enough to realize that their rights
and soveirnty is being eroded and will eventually cease to exist at all.
The real stink of it is an awfull lot of good men are dieing once again
in a fight that the US Govt refuses to win.
sorry for the off subject post.
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Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen
- Original Message - From: "Michel Bisson (by way of Keith Addison)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:53 AM Subject: [biofuel] Hydrogen > >http://www.makisoft.net/quantronix > Michel Very interesting stuff, didn't see a price for this system. Anybody know any history on something like this or how fast it will blow the head off an engine?? Scott Nikolai Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/n4HqaC/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] GM sees gasoline as powering fuel cell cars
- Original Message - From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] GM sees gasoline as powering fuel cell cars > For fool cells the best fuels would be CH4( > methane) and Methanol CH3OH as they are easily cracked > to H2 with minimum waste gasses. > Thanks, jerry dycus Would ethanol crack about like methanol ?? And this might be way out there. How difficult would it be to do a little value added proccessing of the ethanol and market Hydrogen for the fuel cells. I think ?? Hydrogen is quite expensive. Just a thought that has been befuddleing a non-chemist type. Scott Nikolai Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel: Too Little Benefit / Too Much Money
> > > it could be found via following the GREET-related links at > > > http://www.fueleconomy.org. If you are too lazy to do that, that's > >your > > > problem not mine. > > > > > > > > > Troy > > > > > > _ > > > > >In other words, you can't find it again either. > > > EXACTLY. > > So basically, all I have is the Adobe Acrobat printout. That's what I'm > using for my stats. > Troy A little humility from time to time goes a long way. Thankyou Scott Nikolai Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel: Too Little Benefit / Too Much Money
- Original Message - From: "Troy Heagy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel: Too Little Benefit / Too Much Money > > > > >From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >This is an email list - why won't you email it? What's the big secret, eh? > > > No secret. I SAID that I no longer have the electronic copy. I SAID that > it could be found via following the GREET-related links at > http://www.fueleconomy.org. If you are too lazy to do that, that's your > problem not mine. > > > Troy > > _____ > In other words, you can't find it again either. Scott Nikolai Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 324
- Original Message - From: "Dick Carlstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Digest Number 324 > here in argentina, which by the way is a net petroleum exporter, we pay over > u$s 1.00 a liter for regular, and u$s 0.50 a liter for diesel. > > uk prices for regular make me salivate... > > Dick Thats quite a difference in price between diesel and regular. In the US the price is quite simular between the two. On what grounds do the oil companies justify that price for regular? Just curious. Scott Nikolai Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] BioDiesel Anyone??
As much as I like diverse thinking, this is a bit much. Did someone get kicked off the ethanol board ?? Scott Nikolai [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> Make good on the promise you made at graduation to keep in touch. Classmates.com has over 14 million registered high school alumni--chances are you'll find your friends! http://us.click.yahoo.com/l3joGB/DMUCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] First Batch
There are a lot of tired Oliver and White and International tractors that will give those Cummins a fine home. Scott Nikolai - Original Message - From: "Ed Beggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > VW engines with shavings in them would be mostly from the abuse and neglect > heaped upon them by their owners who don't know where the hood latch and > drain plug is (and block heater, and air filter, and water separator, > and...) ...wait a minute, that's more true of Volvo owners...well, at least > that solves the mystery of why the VW diesel never lasted very long in a > Volvo! > > The VW wears at 10 times the rate of the Cummins, so if a VW engine lasts > 500,000 kms, Ed's probably going to be driving that Dodge a long time even > with a few microscopic bits of stuff in a small amount of oil (as a > percentage) of fuel. > > BTW, what are we going to do with all those 100-year Cummins engines after > the rest of the 10-year Dodge wears out? > > ;-) > > Ed > > > > > From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 11:14:01 -0500 > > To: > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > > > > VW engines ;-) > > > > Steve Spence > > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > > we borrow it from our children. > > -- > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Ed Service" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > > > > > >> Of course I had to filter the used oil extremely well and also let it > > settle > >> for considerable time! What kind of engine would have metal shavings in > > the > >> oil? Remind me so I'll never get one of them! Definitely there is iron in > > it > >> from normal wear and silicon from the dirt that sneaks in< these have to > > be > >> removed! But it does add lubricidy to the oil! > >> Ed Service > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:52 AM > >> Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > >> > >> > >>> depends on his filtration system, but I wouldn't do it personally. > >>> > >>> > >>> Steve Spence > >>> Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > >>> http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > >>> > >>> Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > >>> Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > >>> X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > >>> We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > >>> we borrow it from our children. > >>> -- > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Troy Heagy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 8:03 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [biofuel] First Batch > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> From: "Ed Service" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Is it true that synthetic oils like Mobil 1 and Amsoil are actually > >>>>> Biodiesel based? On my old truck ,a 93 dodge Cummins, I used Mobil > >> Delvac > >>>>> oil in the crankcase changing it at 2 km's Then, mixed the old > > oil > >>> I'd > >>>>> removed from the engine into the fuel > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Isn't that a bad idea? I thought old oil was filled with particles > >>>> (including metal shavings)? > >>>> > >>>> Troy > >>>> > >>>> _ > >>>> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> B
Re: [biofuel] Oil industry says new EPA diesel rule may threaten supply
I personally think this sounds more like excuses to run the price of diesel up further by inventing another shortage. Remeber the Exxon Valdeez propaganda. Scott Nikolai - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 2:25 AM Subject: [biofuel] Oil industry says new EPA diesel rule may threaten supply > http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=9973 > Planet Ark > Oil industry says new EPA diesel rule may threaten supply > > USA: March 5, 2001 > > WASHINGTON - The American Petroleum Institute said last week it > remained concerned that federal regulations announced to sharply cut > diesel fuel pollution by 95 percent from mid-2006 may threaten > supplies as refineries scramble to meet the new requirements. > > API President Red Cavaney, in a letter to Environmental Protection > Agency Administrator (EPA) Christine Todd Whitman, said the oil > industry welcomed one provision of the rule allowing for an > independent review of the diesel supply issue. > > "Specifically, our concern is with the timetable for implementation, > particularly with the rule's impact on the availability of an > adequate supply of diesel fuel," Cavaney said in his letter. > > "We were pleased to hear of your decision to ask an independent > advisory board to look at the issues of diesel supplies and related > technology and report to you annually as part of the sulfur rule > issues yesterday by EPA," he wrote. > > The oil and refining industry has balked at the fuel portion of the > rule, namely to cut sulfur in diesel to 15 parts per million (ppm), > 97 percent below current levels. > > The National Petrochemical & Refiners Association (NPRA) filed a > lawsuit on Feb. 9 to force changes to the rule, arguing it needs > until 2008 to 2010 to make costly refining changes. > > The oil and refining industry supports a cut to 50 ppm. > > On Wednesday, the EPA said it would stick with rules announced late > in the Clinton administration to make large trucks and buses cleaner, > both by cutting sulfur in the fuel and by forcing cleaner engines. > > Engine manufacturers will have flexibility to meet the new standards > through a phase-in approach between 2007 and 2010. The fuel provision > will go into effect in June 2006 and be phased in through 2009. > > EPA said special provisions and flexible approaches would stretch the > phase-in time for smaller refiners. > > Clean air activists and a number of industry groups had pushed for > the new diesel rule, saying the sharp reductions in diesel pollution > would save lives and boost production of cleaner-burning 18-wheelers > and school buses. > > Proponents say the changes will prevent 8,300 premature deaths each > year - 5,500 cases of chronic bronchitis and 360,000 asthma attacks. > > REUTERS NEWS SERVICE > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biofuel FAQ
I'd like to submit a vote for the FAQ and I have read the entire archive. Scott Nikolai - Original Message - From: "stephen williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 7:10 AM Subject: [biofuel] Biofuel FAQ > Hi List, > > As a relative newcomer to the list, I find it slightly daunting to take-in > all the differing views regarding our subject. As another member rightly > pointed out a week or so ago (appologies for not recalling your name), an > FAQ is badly needed - possibly summarising the current state of consensus on > the various aspects. This would allow newcomers (and even those with some > more experience) to make an informed decision on which path to take. > > Thanks for your time > > Steve Williams, UK > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol Help
Aidan Didn't you ever hear that the only dumb question is the one that you didn't ask. Methyl Hydrate sounds like a serious No No. I'm Sure others will be able to explain it more technically than that for you. My thought was, since your in a rather cold climate and BioDiesel's gel point can flucuate a bit. Maybe you should take a look at running straight veggie oil. It will require a heated secound tank, heated filters and a insulated or heated fuel line which is no where near as complicated as it sounds. Josh Tickells book explains it all very well right down to sources for everything. It might provide you with some good reading while you look for reasonably priced methanol, and above all; Keep the Faith. Scott Nikolai - Original Message - From: "Aidan Wilkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: [biofuel] Methanol Help > Hell, > > I hate to ask what is probably a dumb question but I am very frustrated at this point. What I would like to know is if "Methyl Hydrate" is the same as "Methanol" what we require for manufacturing bio-diesel. I live in Ontario Canada and have not had much luck finding a product that specifies it is 100% methanol. > > Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. > > > Aidan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alcohol Fuel Cell
I don't require an entire education on this but a friend of mine was under the impression that fuel cells won't operate on alcohol without being redesigned. I thought methanol was one of the fuels of choice for fuel cells. Wouldn't that mean they will swing towards alcohol rather easily. The paperback version will suffice nicely, I'm only curius Thanks Scott Nikolai [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] you're preachin to the choir
Keith I really don't try to be inflamitory, but apparrently I have a real talent for it. I appreciate the good reading, as well as your excellent website. I have found your's and Steve's to be a wonderful resource. I would like to point out to you that a different opinion is not nessecarily a wrong or bad opinion. At this point I am 90% organic. With the help of this group, I'll be running Biodiesel in my equipment as soon as the weather breaks. As soon as I get a few things in order, I'll be producing green electricity for myself and the surplus I'll be selling to the highest bidder. I am an outcast amongst the Real farmers because of these practices. And when it comes to being a Goat dairy farmer in Wisconsin, I might as well cheer on the Bears. In my last posting I was merely trying to point out how the vast majority of the farmers feel about Nitrogen and Ammonia, and how you might be able to better your cause by helping them. ( Win Win ) While I admire anyone these days that can muster a strong opinion, and actually have a few Core Beliefs. You must remember that a good portion of the people that you are trying to help on their way to enlightenment, might prefer a more subtle approach. I will now conclude my Sunday sermon with Amen. Scott Nikolai ( Goat Farmer ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] bi-metallic thermal generator
So many fascinating ideas and so little time. What we really need is to figure out how to get an extra 10 hours a day. Scott Nikolai - Original Message - From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] bi-metallic thermal generator > anyone want to pick this up and continue their research? exhaust driven heat > from a biogenerator, or even solar collection? > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: "John Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 9:17 AM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] bi-metallic thermal generator > > > > Looks like they where well on the way to a KISS solution then their TIPS > let > > them down > > They stated the problem a half dozen times as variable input temp and then > > didnt try to address that issue instead of playing around with a volt > > control system that will reduce efficiency and reliability and increase > > complexity.(makes a lot of sense to couple your device to the most > static - > > whether source or sink) Oh well - they might have worked it out by now.!! > > regards > > John > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mikel Pelly (by way of Keith Addison) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, 25 February 2001 6:54 > > Subject: [biofuel] bi-metallic thermal generator > > > > > > >Letter from Mike Pelly: > > > > > >Keith, this is a page I found and is now archived on a Mitshubishi > > >site of all places. Looks like they might now own the patents on this > > >one too.SNIP>> > > > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ammonia
Keith I realize that your right about technically not needing a nitrogen fertilzier. However, CONVENTIONAL WISDOM tells farmers that they do. It would be a whole lot better to sway farmers on an incremental basis rather than all in one shot. I don't have the chemical background to know if Mike is on to something, but I sure like his train of thought. If the alternative energy technology could help solve a Perceived problem of the farmers. They will definitely be a step closer to winning the Big Picture. Don't forget, farmers are conservative by nature and when the margins get tighter, they tend to have little interest in anything outside of their Comfort Zone. When you think about it, " There's no Need " for an awfull lot of what we consume on a daily basis. Scott Nikolai ( Goat Farmer ) - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ammonia > >Although not strictly a fuel, I am looking for an easy way to produce > >ammonia or other nitrate products suitable for fertiliser from > >renewable energy sources. Any chemists out there, who can help, I > >thought of maybe ammonia production from methane or electrolysed > >hydrogen. Any suggestions or leads greatly appreciated. > > > >Surely if we can generate large amounts of power from renewable > >sources (biodiesel, wind, biomass) is there not someway it can be > >used to generate even a weak ammonia solution. My knowledge of > >Haber/Bosch process is nil, but I do remember that it requires > >extreme environmental conditions of pressure and temp, that would be > >impossible on a DIY basis. or are they ? > > > >Nitrofying rhizobium bacteria in legumes and use of animal waste > >products are too bulky and low yielding. > > > >Is there not another chemical reaction that can be used to generate a > >reasonably concentrated supply of Ammonia ? > > > >help please. > >Mike > > There's no need for ammonia nor any other nitrogen fertilisers. > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > Handmade Projects > Tokyo > http://journeytoforever.org/ > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Continuous feed gasifier
Keith I sure would like to Know more about that gasifier/genset. I suspect the owner likes his privacy, or I have really slipped with my browsing techniques. If prudence dictates, contact me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scott Nikolai - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 6:59 AM Subject: [biofuel] Continuous feed gasifier > Continuous feed gasifier that runs an engine / gen. Detailed pics > (slow download!). > > http://www.snowcrest.com/tomb/gasifier3.htm > > Keith Addison > Journey to Forever > Handmade Projects > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: EVs
- Original Message - From: "robert luis rabello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: EVs > > > Scott & Cathy wrote: > > > I'm planning on using wood Gasifier technology ( borrowed from the Stone > > I must admit that I have been blissfully ignorant to wood distillation > > and the fact that it was used to power farm equipment ( indirectly of > > course ). > > Actually, there's a whole world of difference! I suggest you subscribe to > CREST's "gasification" list. A lot of work has been done in this area, and as I > have delved deeper into the subject, I've learned that wood gas (depending on > makes me believe that pyrolysis (simply burning the biomass) to produce steam > with an organic rankine bottoming cycle, would be simpler and more > effective--particularly if one has use for a lot of process heat. > > Please keep us posted on your destructive distillation investigations! > > robert luis rabello > Thankyou so much for enlightening me to the gasification list. It certainly is a wealth of information and I am quuite gratefull. They really have come a long way. It seems Jerry was a little off the mark on Gasification Too. ( oops, I think that was a snip ) Have a great day ya'll ( I hope the warm and fuzzy entitles me to a wee snip ) Scott Nikolai Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982084961/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: EVs
> > Scott Nikolai Jerry and All Great to hear from someone on the same page. We are definitely gonna have to delve deeper into all of this. However there is one point about the EV's that I'd like to point out ( I do agree "If you Want one"). In THEORY The EV's are SUPPOSED to be charged at night during off peak hours. When one takes into account the average Americans commute the range gets a little tight for most people. That, along with battery life is tremendously extended if the full range is not utilized all the time. Then one biggy, Human nature dictates that even the enviromentally minded American don't appreciate the sluggish performance towards the end of the battery cycle and of course, if you can charge an EV at night on your dime or on the company's dime during the day. I'm bettin that most of the EV buyers have not figured on spending much out of their own pocket to charge their EV's. Now Let's get to the good stuff. I'm planning on using wood Gasifier technology ( borrowed from the Stone Age I think ), which you probably figured out already. I plan to add quite a bit of contemporary technology and make it feasible. If I'm not mistaken, There's not a whole lot of ground between gasifying wood and distilling wood. I must admit that I have been blissfully ignorant to wood distillation and the fact that it was used to power farm equipment ( indirectly of course ). I am located in Central Wisconsin where we have a few open minded State and Utility officials that are actually on board this notion of rural electric generation from renwable sources. I have also amassed quite a collection of good hunting grounds for "Obsolete Equipment ". There are still a lot of old farmers that have discoverd the internet in a quest to restore there vintage equipment. Until now, I hadn't realized what a resource they could be. As for the Gasifying, I see three big problems with that older technology. I believe modern technology has come to the rescue but feel free to enlighten me if I'm wrong or have over looked a few. 1. Awfully labor intensive to process the wood into suitable blocks. 2. A real Pain in the neck to add fuel. 3. No viable way to store or compress the gas. I think we can all agree that polution is not a viable concern, and that most farms, have most of the equipment and fuel to keep things running nicely. Back to your garbage deal in Fla. Are you aware of the gallant attempts to produce Ethanol from garbage?? And last but not least, given the interest in a cheap methanol source over the last couple of weeks. We might actually be able to overwelm the Madcow'ers. Feel free correct me. I have a bullet proof ego being a Goat Dairy Farmer in Wisconsin. Scott Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981905824/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: EVs
My good People Since we seem a bit worked up about EV's, I might as well through my two cents in. The problem I see about EV's is that they seem to stress an already tired infrastructure. California anyone?? I realize that there are regulation issues involved but doesn't it really boil down to, Nobody wants a powerplant or highline tower in their backyard!! Wouldn't it be sensible to stretch the infrastructure that is already in place by having small 60-100kw powerplants on farms running off renewable energy. I can just see the flurry of calculations coming now abaout how many this would take to make a significant difference. The winning answer is 1. One such installation will save my farm from inevitable finnacial ruin and provide power to 10-15 homes. Sorry, Biodiesel isn't the fuel source. But it will run my wood processing equipment. Scott Nikolai Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981860034/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] eliminating waste
This is my first attempt with an egroup so please have mercy. I'm attempting to do a little research on the history of home brewed Bio-diesel. I have read Josh Tickell's book and he referenced 1970's as when Bio-Diesel was first made. I've also read that transesterfication has been around since the 30's. I've hit an awful lot of websites and am really curious to know just how much homebrewing is going on and what countries. Any sources of info would be greatly appreciated. Scott Nikolai Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~> eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981698027/ -_-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
