Re: [biofuel] Drinking rain water [was: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?]
Hi Al, Martin is right.Back at the turn of the last century,rainwater was collected in rainbarrels and cisterns for all manner of household uses including drinking water.Some of your older city houses still have cisterns buried in their backyards,though most have been filled in. A recent This Old House show featured a company that is producing a barrel top for rainbarrels that you would put under your downspout to collect the rain off the roof. I know some women who swear that the best water for washing their hair is rainwater. I think it depends where you live on weather you treat the water as pottable or grey water.If it comes off the roof just let it sit for a day to settle out and don't draw off the bottom.Tip the barrel over every couple of months to clean out the sediments. Hey,we all gotta go some time.I wouldn't worry about a little rain water.Now Twinkies on the other hand.. Rico Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am looking into building an Earthship, and I was wondering if you could tell me if drinking rain water is safe (I mean after it has been filtered like described in the Earthship books)? Thanks, Al Hi Al, I think rainwater is fine but in some areas it will be acidic. I'm downwind from Detroit, my rainwater is pretty acidic. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Drink Water From Dehumidifier?
Hi Keith, Related to all this.The water in the dehumidifiers is already semi distilled,having been been evaporated at some point into the atmosphere.It carries nothing with it until it comes in contact with something or some surface.It should be at 7Ph. A dehumidifier is a weak sister to an air conditioner and a distant cousin to a refrigeration unit.All three are absorbing heat and as a byproduct produce condensate.The dehumidifier does this deliberately. When boiling water to create distilled water we create the same process but in a more deliberate,efficient manner. All three of the above will and do create distilled water.It just becomes contaminated by its surroundings. Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jonathan I have approx. 60 gallons of distilled water in plastic milk containers from my dehumidifier sitting in my basement. I had planned on using it for wash water for biodiesel on a small scale. Can anyone see any potential problems by using this water as wash water? Thanks. Jonathan. If it's acidic your final washwater will also be acidic rather than pH7. Just as long as it's clear. To be safe, you might want to use clean water for the final wash. Remember you can re-use the washwater, except that for the first wash: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_wash.html The Economy of Wash Water Recycling Best wishes Keith --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Janet Van Stoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is significant health risk in drinking condensate. The risk comes mostly from the large amount of mold to be found in typical dehumidifier condensate. You are probably familiar with the slime molds that commonly coat the sides of most dehumidifier condensate collector bins. snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Tha' Ballad of Dubya [political humor]
Pretty good for a couple of Texans.Which one had the crayon? Yankee Boy Rico Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Texas Hillbilly (redneck) Song (Sing to the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies) Come and listen to my story 'bout a boy name Bush. His IQ was zero and his head was up his tush. He drank like a fish while he was drivin' all about. But that didn't matter 'cuz his daddy bailed him out. DUI, that is. Criminal record. Cover-up. Well, the first thing you know little Georgie goes to Yale. He can't spell his name but they never let him fail. He spends all his time hangin' out with student folk. And that's when he learns how to snort a line of coke. Blow, that is. White gold. Nose candy. The next thing you know there's a war in Vietnam. Kin folks say, George, stay at home with Mom. Let the common people get maimed and scarred. We'll buy you a spot in the Texas Air Guard. Cushy, that is. Country clubs. Nose candy. Twenty years later George gets a little bored. He trades in the booze, says that Jesus is his Lord. He said, Now the White House is the place I wanna be. So he called his daddy's friends and they called the GOP. Moral Majority, that is. Falwell. Jesse Helms. Come November 7, the election ran late. Kin folks said Jeb, give the boy your state! Don't let those colored folks get into the polls. So they put up barricades so they couldn't punch their holes. Chads, that is. Duval County. Miami-Dade. Before the votes were counted five Supremes stepped in. Told all the voters Hey, we want George to win. Stop counting votes! was their solemn invocation. And that's how George finally got his coronation. Rigged, that is. Illegitimate. No moral authority Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] please help...
Hi,as of this morning in NW Indiana Diesel is going for 1.63 per us gal.Across the state line it varies but is generally .20 per us gal higher due to state and county taxes. Rico baketampangetko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anyone knows literature/published articles about comparative prices of biodiesel and petroleum diesel? need it for my school research.. thank you very much beng p.s. the more recent/latest prices the better.. :) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] new guy
Hi, I'm in Indiana up near Lake Michigan.Another member of the group is supposed to be traveling through on I 80 very soon.I'm hoping to meet up with her and set up some sort of a class. If your down south girl mark thought she might have a class on bio diesel around The St Louis area in September. I'm waiting for dates so I can schedule some vacation time to make the classes and help out if need be. Let me know where your from and maybe we can work on this together. Paul mark johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if there was anybody in this group who is from indiana. I am trying to get started makeing my own fuel. It be really great to have someone who knows what there doing to show how. I just unsure about how to do and do it safe. Not only that, I am sure a lot of you have had to convince your spouse that it all right!!. do you guys know where i can get some of those 5 gallon snap on oil cans? I' ve actually have a supplyer of 55 gallon hdpe 2 barrels, i just not sure if it will work for anything other than wvo storage. Is there an actual chat line that you guys chat on besides these e-mails? hope to here from some one. _ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ö FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links - Do you Yahoo!? Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] ANyone along I-80 want to buy a biodiesel processor?
Hi girl mark.Its Paul again.I emailed your contact in Chicago.I'm waiting for a reply.One way or another we'll hook up.Do you have an ETA for the Chicago area of your trip?I want to be available for that time.Please let me know. Paul girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm traveling across country this month, 'by accident'- I really didn't intend to take this trip!, and I'll be going from DC to Maine and then back to California, taking Interstate 80 back. My partner and I are driving a couple of vans back here which he and another friend had purchased on eBay (it's a bit difficult to find a cheap diesel van in California these days), and I got drafted to help get one of the vehicles running. ANyway, this July trip is somewhat of an accident, and cuts into my planning for my 'real' biodiesel class tour at the end of the summer/fall (details coming up shortly). In my quest to fund the fall class tour, and since I'll be missing work to do this July thing, I'm once again offering to build biodiesel processors for people along the route of my trip (same offer applies to my travels in the fall): The processors would be the water heater-based Biodiesel Appleseed reactors from www.veggieavenger.com/media , which in general I encourage you all to build yourselves (it's easy). However if you want a processor built for you, and you are 'along the way' of the route of my July trip, I'll build you one for the cost of parts and $200 for labor, which will go into funding my August-November biodiesel class tour (ie taking my own vehicle, a reactor and a bunch of other gear on the road from August through November and teaching classes). The total cost for these units including my labor charge is either $380 or $580 depending on whether you can find a free used electric water heater or whether you have to buy a brand new one (they're about $200 usually). If you can find a closed-head barrel somewhere, I'll throw in a wash tank for the same cost. I'll be putting together a list of the fall classes tonight and emailing it out. Some of those class dates are also for 'equipment building' classes, which are opportunities for participants to build their own reactor. mark Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fahrenheit 9/11
The Cameo is indeed an art house movie theater.And as such its not too hard to
break an attendence record in a venue that seats only 162 people.
Rico
MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fahrenheit 9/11, a left-sided documentary that
bashes the Bush administration's war on terrorism,
wouldn't find much of an audience in a military town.
Or so they thought.
'Fahrenheit 9/11' sets record
By Matt Leclercq
2004-06-29
http://www.fayettevillenc.com/story.php?Template=localStory=6429101
This has broken all of our past records, said Nasim Kuenzel,
an owner of the Cameo Art House Theatre. The movie that I thought
would make us hardly any money - I never thought it would break
all the records.
Both showings sold out Friday at the Cameo, the only theater in
Fayetteville to carry the Michael Moore film. A midnight showing
added at the last minute Friday brought in 60 more people.
Saturday and Sunday were just as busy, Kuenzel said, with nearly
1,000 tickets sold over the weekend. As many as 75 percent of
moviegoers were soldiers or military families, Kuenzel said.
Many were like Natalie Sorton. She is 25 and married to an
infantryman who served in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I want to see what my husband is fighting for, Sorton said
Monday before going into the theater with a friend, Kathy Norris.
Another military spouse had recommended the movie. While
Sorton described herself as a moderate Republican, she said
she gained respect for Moore after seeing his last documentary,
Bowling for Columbine.
In that film, Moore pestered corporations and celebrities to
take responsibility for gun violence. Sorton said she wanted
to see Moore be equally pestering to politicians who make
decisions about war.
I'm going because from what I heard about ('Fahrenheit 9/11'),
it fills in a lot of blanks, a lot of questions we've had about
the Bush administration, Sorton said.
The documentary assails President Bush's decisions surrounding
the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Moore attempts to link the
Bush family with Saudi Arabia and blame business interests as the
reason for invading Iraq. Fahrenheit 9/11 includes frank comments
from soldiers in Iraq and emotional interviews with families who
lost children in the fighting.
Almost all the crowds at the Cameo have applauded the film at
the end, with some people giving standing ovations, Kuenzel said.
Many have tears in their eyes as they leave the theater.
I think it's going to open my eyes a little, and that worries me,
Sorton said before taking her seat.
Lea Barnes, a Republican, seemed giddy as she and a friend bought
tickets Monday.
I'm not pleased at all about the way things are going with the war,
Barnes said. I trust Michael Moore. He can be out there a bit, but
he's for the common man.
Negative reactions have been few, Kuenzel said. The theater received
three calls and two letters in opposition of carrying the film, she
said. No one has protested, though some people handed out anti-war
fliers on the street Friday evening.
Nationwide ticket sales totaling $23.9 million launched the film to
the No. 1 spot over the weekend, a record for a documentary.
Twelve other theaters in North Carolina are carrying Fahrenheit 9/11,
according to the film's Web site.
Other theaters
The Varsity Theatre in Chapel Hill also sold out over the weekend,
with some patrons from the Fayetteville area, said owner Mary Jo
Stone. The publicity surrounding Disney's refusal to distribute
the film because of its political content helped ignite sales.
I think people are interested in perhaps getting a different
perspective than what they see in the news all the time, Stone said.
Since the Cameo opened in 2000, the only other movies that
approached the sales figures for Fahrenheit 9/11 were
My Big Fat Greek Wedding and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.
Other theaters across the country are expected to start showing
the film in the next few weeks.
After Monday's showing, Sorton emerged with a grim face.
She said she plans to buy the film on DVD and give it to
everyone she knows.
I'm disgusted, she said. Disgusted.
The film changed her opinions on the war in Iraq by convincing
her that oil and corporate interests were behind decision-making,
she said. Worries over whether Moore would vilify soldiers were unfounded.
I don't think they portrayed them as bad, she said. I don't
think it portrayed them as not doing their jobs. It showed them
doing what they're told.
All this movie did was open my eyes a little more to what's
really going on, she said. I think this is definitely going
to have an impact on the election. I'm glad I'm a voter.
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
If you were only right.Iwould like him to do a movie on the governments duplicity in Africa and the Sudan.Or the IRS and their unsupported tyranny against the American people.But he knows which side his bread is buttered on,what is safe and what is likely to be a real challenge to his freedoms.He's harmless.Just so much titillation during an election year where the powers that be trot out Frick and Frak and lead us to believe there is really a difference. All Moore is doing is cashing in on a situation,and smirking all the way to the bank. rico BEN ROBERTS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't understand the force at which people are fighting for Michael Moore either. Perhaps because it's refreshing to hear from a man whose main objective is to highlight human suffering and not seek some personal gain. regards Ben _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
Too true Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it was the world according to Doonesbury It's too bad that all the people who know how to run the country are too busy back packing. Circa 1984 Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Sam ddd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 Someone famously said, there are many people who know how to run the country, but they are all busy cutting hair or driving taxis. In the the US they are busy making films also. Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You moved so quickly to find error with the sources that you completely disregarded the argument itself. Nah, nah, nah, nah homey. If the foundation is rotten the roof quickly collapses. Again, there is no valid argument than can be constructed on faulty data. You can try all you like, but all you'll end up doing is spending a lifetime shoring up walls and buttressing the ceilings to keep everything from caving in on you. Try firm ground for a change. It will save you and everyone boatloads of effort and grief. Happy Happy... Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Randall Sanborn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 You moved so quickly to find error with the sources that you completely disregarded the argument itself. I'll readily admit that there are some seriously flawed pieces on that site, but if you look through the two examples I mentioned you'll see a few perfect examples of disinformation. The pictures were the important part on those specific pages and for the most part the write up is spot on. I'll give Moore credit, he is one of the best I've seen at using facts to lie. wrestle precious hours away from far more productive endeavors, all to rehash erroneous allegations and falsehoods of intentional foundation. They aren't falsehoods, if you look at the quote I dropped in from Michael Moore he actually admitted to at least one of those incidents and the rest are very well documented. He's doesn't make documentaries, he makes political propaganda. I don't have a problem with political propaganda even, just as long as its honest and presented as such. He lies, and presents his work as documentary which it isn't. I'm sitting here reading numerous posts of people saying this is the best thing they've seen, etc, and I'd simply like them to at the very least exercise a little more judgment. Randall Sanborn On Fri, 2004-07-02 at 11:10, Appal Energy wrote: Mr. Sanborn, Let's try a little honesty for a moment. I know that it might pain you. But give it a go just once. First of all, yes, you're correct. I do make point of discredit[ing] the source[s], especially when the sources you use are ripe with error. Second, when a person utilizes sources chucked full of error and disinformation as their foundation for argument, there is essentially no argument and no point or purpose in going 'round and 'round the mulberry bush as you would apparently like effect. Third, based upon the sources that you draw your information from, it is rather apparent that you're either an aspiring disinformatinalist or someone who siimply enjoys creating an atmosphere of argument. Fourth, in light of that, I'm afraid that you presume far too much in your expectancy that everyone (or anyone) drop everything that they're doing, wrestle precious hours away from far more productive endeavors, all to rehash erroneous allegations and falsehoods of intentional foundation. To what end? Certainly not in search of any truth. Or if so, only the truth as you care to interpret it. Do you really think that a book such as Al Franken's Lies and the Lying Liars that tell them, A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right would have made it out of the batter's box if it was as full of liable and untruths as your sources claim? And in all honesty, anyone who deliberately assesses judgement on a present issue and/or film based upon an unrelated past issue is someone who is far more set upon a distorted conclusion than upon any conclusion predicated upon reality. Come to think of it, that practice is exactly what you're accusing another of. One can only presume, based upon your operating on such a double standard, that the rules that you would care to apply to others simply don't apply to you? Perahaps now you can see why you are so easily discounted? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 I applaud your attempt to
Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
I humbly submit that you miss the point of the second half of my statment.To reitrate.He used to be good,he ain't good anymore.He forgot that truth is what made him good not inuendo. Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Chill dude..., You had your chance to complain about that move years ago. Can't you read a letterhead or banner? You want to live in the past great. But the topic is F 9/11 not picking the Colorado state flower. Tired of distraction and deception in Philly. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:19 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11 I would have to agree with you.I've lived in several states both with strict and lax firearm purchase laws.Even in the most lax states[Florida,Lousiana,Texas]they observed all the paperwork and waiting periods. What I did note was there was an inverse raito between the states that severly restrict gun ownership[Michigan,Illnois]and crime.While this is only my personal experince there has been data published that bears this out. Mr.Moore is in business.In order to sell your product,it must be fresh and exciting.He does not sell sex.What he sells he sells well.However not as well as he used to,in my opnion.Before,he had truthto sell,now he only has inuendo. Rico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also from Michigan, doesn't mean I blindly accept the opinion of everyone who speaks here. The facts are true. Michael Moore is meticulous in making sure he doesn't say anything that is explicitly false. Instead, he uses cheap camera tricks and clever sequences to give a very clear picture of what he is trying to say without ever actually implicating himself. Just a few examples from Bowling from Columbine because its been thoroughly analyzed numerous times. Firstly, the gun from the bank. http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/bank.htm He edits the seen to make it appear like he walked in wrote his name down and got a gun. This is supposed to show how easy it is to get a gun. This is a horrible example because the same process is used here as any gun shop would use. He neglects to show the fact that the clerk then took his ID and ran it through I believe its an FBI? database. But it certainly looks like America is handing out guns to anyone. If I remember correctly from read the process actually took closer to an hour and a half. Weak example yes, but none-the-less if shown honestly it would do nothing to promote Moore's arguement that any old fool can get a gun in the way he described. The requirements for getting that gun from the bank were just as stringent as getting it from any other registered gun shop. If he wants to analyze that, then fine, I support it. Maybe it is too easy to get a gun, I'm not here to offer an opinion on it, but the bank scene is only an example of the same process that would happen in any other legal weapon transaction. I think the NRA bashes are more incriminating of Moore's deceptive style. He spends quite a while dehumanizing the NRA and especially Mr. Heston. I had a very good friend see this movie and tell me Heston and the NRA were a bunch of jerks for jumping up to hold rallies right after the killings in Flint and Columbine. I must say, the 'evidence' in the movie was compelling. But some other people slowed down the feeds and picked through the internet. The 'rally' in Flint wasn't actually a Rally, Heston showed up to support Bush on his campaign, and it was 7 months after the incident. The movie shows a headline that says, 48 hours after Kayla Rolland is pronounced dead either right before or right after the Heston clip. It insinuates the meeting was 48 hours after, and there is no way its not intentional. But the headline continues on to say something about Clinton making a statement about the incident and is completely unrelated to the NRA. http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/hestonrally2.htm He also uses the NRA meeting in Colorado right after the Columbine shootings as further ammo against the NRA. The video clips he shows of Heston are actually from another rally, and he fails to mention that the NRA cancelled most all of its other activities aside from the vote that by law is mandatory. I believe its a non-profit law to vote officials or something else similar. Irregardless the NRA had to have its meeting, which it did, but the NRA did nothing like what Moore shows. Frankly, I don't know what the whole NRA bash accomplished for his argument, but his entire basis against the NRA is made up. It looks more like he has a vendetta against the NRA and wants to publish it. So, quite frankly, I don't trust the guy, or most of what he says. He has been explicitly decpetive in BFC. He has something compelling with the Iraq war, but just like most of the media, its entirely one-sided. And his theory on the Saudi connection and the plot with the Bushes to intentionally
Re: [biofuel] generator/refrigerator
Thanks! I never saw one of these before.When I get time i'm going to try one Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely superb! And to think that we're still fiddlin' with Crosley's Icyball around here http://www.ggw.org/~cac/IcyBall/crosley_icyball.html http://www.ggw.org/~cac/IcyBall/HomeBuilt/HomeBuilt.html - Original Message - From: tallex2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 4:28 AM Subject: [biofuel] generator/refrigerator A GENERATOR THAT DOUBLES AS A REFRIGERATOR http://www.napa.ufl.edu/2001news/solar.htm UF professor generates new, cheaper solar energy system http://www.alligator.org/edit/issues/01-spring/010314/b09solar14.htm Optimization of a Novel Combined Power/Refrigeration Thermodynamic Cycle http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet? prog=normalid=JSEEDO0001250200021201idtype=cvipsgifs=yesjs essionid=1058641089018385495 The Solar-AC FAQ http://www.solarmirror.com/cgi-bin/faq.cgi?_recurse=1file=1 regards Get your daily alternative energy news fix http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ news-resources-sources http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Oil Storage Tanks
Thanks for the post Gustl.They sound like farm tanks.I have no use for them myself at this time but they sound ideal for wvo.You could probably gain some BTUs by having them exposed to the sun.Maybe in a greenhouse sort of structure. Rico Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo Friends, I have found 4 opaque containers made of some sort of plastic material which were manufactured for the Toro lawn and garden company. They were made to hold liquid chemicals and they will hold 150 gallons of liquid (568 liter). The tanks have inlets/outlets near the bottom on each end, in the bottom in the middle of the tank and a large opening on the top with a smaller opening in the middle of that one. There is a screen inside the tank to strain out foreign objects. The tank is sort of oval or elliptical in shape, quite low, and is mounted on a metal base which allows it to set flat on the floor. There are two metal straps which hold the tank to the base. The things look ideal to me for holding oil or biodiesel or whatever. The fellow who has them wants $225 US for them. He only has 4 tanks. He will not ship them but I will for the cost of shipping plus the cost of fuel to get them to the shipping agent. I want nothing for myself. $225 plus shipping does not seem like a bad price to me but I have no experience in such matters. I am in southeastern Michigan about 45 minutes south of Ann Arbor, 1.25 hours west of Toledo, Ohio, 4.5 hours east of Chicago, and about an hour east of Angola, Indiana. The fellow who has them was going to sell them all but I have persuaded him to hold onto them until I posted to the group. He lives only a mile south of me. He is a decent fellow and told me that he bought the tanks to resell but that at $225 each he was making only a small profit. I have no reason to doubt him. He was just going to buy a couple for himself but he bought the lot for a better price. Toro no longer makes the tanks and he will be using his to carry water to his job sites. He works with concrete and thought he could sell the tanks to other concrete workers but he likes the idea of biodiesel and agreed to let me post the for sale to the list. Anyone interested can contact me offlist. [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you would live close enough to come and pick a tank up I could bring it down to my place and put it in the barn until such time as you could pick it up. Otherwise I would have to wait for him to be home and unlock the place to get them. I am going to try and get pictures of the tank tonight or tomorrow depending on when I can catch Dennis home. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] OT humor - divine retribution
You have to have a good rain every so often to wash the meadow muffins away. Rico Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my higher Power, As I sit here at my desk, with still another flood warning flashing across my computer screen, I try hard to remember what it was like before the rain started, it has been so long. The local NPR [B/CS] station reported on June 17, that this was the wettest June in history and that this part of the world has been keeping records for 500 years. It has rained everyday since that report. This is truly enough to make one wonder what did Texas do to deserve this? I think we all know the answer, we are responsible for sticking the rest of the world with George W. Bush. Now we can argue he was a good Governor, I mean he gave us the handguns that Ann Richards' refused us, and put an end to much of the random violence we lived with. The gangs did not like the idea that John Q. Citizen just might pull a legal gun out and shoot back. After 5 years of having the legal guns, a whole 1500 people had permits to carry concealed weapons. This is not a large figure, but it sure worked. And the Bush family do lots for adult literacy programs, something we really need here in Texas. George W. followed the family footsteps on this one real well. So we had some reason for what we did. I mean, how were we suppose to know, what kind of President he was going to be? But is this any reason to try to wash Texas into the gulf? After 20 days of constant flash flood warnings and watches, we apologize. If we promise not to vote for George W., will you please stop the rain? Bright Blessings, Kim [who has nothing better to do since her farm is a mud pit] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Re: Fahrenheit 9/11
I would have to agree with you.I've lived in several states both with strict and lax firearm purchase laws.Even in the most lax states[Florida,Lousiana,Texas]they observed all the paperwork and waiting periods. What I did note was there was an inverse raito between the states that severly restrict gun ownership[Michigan,Illnois]and crime.While this is only my personal experince there has been data published that bears this out. Mr.Moore is in business.In order to sell your product,it must be fresh and exciting.He does not sell sex.What he sells he sells well.However not as well as he used to,in my opnion.Before,he had truthto sell,now he only has inuendo. Rico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also from Michigan, doesn't mean I blindly accept the opinion of everyone who speaks here. The facts are true. Michael Moore is meticulous in making sure he doesn't say anything that is explicitly false. Instead, he uses cheap camera tricks and clever sequences to give a very clear picture of what he is trying to say without ever actually implicating himself. Just a few examples from Bowling from Columbine because its been thoroughly analyzed numerous times. Firstly, the gun from the bank. http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/bank.htm He edits the seen to make it appear like he walked in wrote his name down and got a gun. This is supposed to show how easy it is to get a gun. This is a horrible example because the same process is used here as any gun shop would use. He neglects to show the fact that the clerk then took his ID and ran it through I believe its an FBI? database. But it certainly looks like America is handing out guns to anyone. If I remember correctly from read the process actually took closer to an hour and a half. Weak example yes, but none-the-less if shown honestly it would do nothing to promote Moore's arguement that any old fool can get a gun in the way he described. The requirements for getting that gun from the bank were just as stringent as getting it from any other registered gun shop. If he wants to analyze that, then fine, I support it. Maybe it is too easy to get a gun, I'm not here to offer an opinion on it, but the bank scene is only an example of the same process that would happen in any other legal weapon transaction. I think the NRA bashes are more incriminating of Moore's deceptive style. He spends quite a while dehumanizing the NRA and especially Mr. Heston. I had a very good friend see this movie and tell me Heston and the NRA were a bunch of jerks for jumping up to hold rallies right after the killings in Flint and Columbine. I must say, the 'evidence' in the movie was compelling. But some other people slowed down the feeds and picked through the internet. The 'rally' in Flint wasn't actually a Rally, Heston showed up to support Bush on his campaign, and it was 7 months after the incident. The movie shows a headline that says, 48 hours after Kayla Rolland is pronounced dead either right before or right after the Heston clip. It insinuates the meeting was 48 hours after, and there is no way its not intentional. But the headline continues on to say something about Clinton making a statement about the incident and is completely unrelated to the NRA. http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/bowlingforcolumbine/scenes/hestonrally2.htm He also uses the NRA meeting in Colorado right after the Columbine shootings as further ammo against the NRA. The video clips he shows of Heston are actually from another rally, and he fails to mention that the NRA cancelled most all of its other activities aside from the vote that by law is mandatory. I believe its a non-profit law to vote officials or something else similar. Irregardless the NRA had to have its meeting, which it did, but the NRA did nothing like what Moore shows. Frankly, I don't know what the whole NRA bash accomplished for his argument, but his entire basis against the NRA is made up. It looks more like he has a vendetta against the NRA and wants to publish it. So, quite frankly, I don't trust the guy, or most of what he says. He has been explicitly decpetive in BFC. He has something compelling with the Iraq war, but just like most of the media, its entirely one-sided. And his theory on the Saudi connection and the plot with the Bushes to intentionally start a war is pretty weak. Its more an assertion using almost nothing. I think his smoking gun is a connection in the Carlyle group, which is a large investing firm. I don't know about you guys, but I don't know the other stockholders of the companies I invest in, much less socialize and plot to take over the world with them. I'm really anxious to see what little camera tricks he threw into this one when it comes out on DVD. Randall Sanborn -- Original message -- Look pal, speaking as one of Mike's Michigan homeboys,
Re: [biofuel] Chicago.....Seattle?
Hi, I live just across the state line from Chicago in Whiting Indiana.Which makes it easy to switch allegiances when necessary. Paul Ross Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geografically, how many members on this list live in or near Chicago and how many from the NW near Seattle? be well, Ross To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but also treasonable to the American public. - Theodore Roosevelt, 1918 The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] PLEASE READ - MODERATOR'S MESSAGE
I wondered what happened.I opened my e mail and had over four hundred in two days!No problem! Yahoo just increased everyones free storage.So that may be why they were slow to respond.They always assume that your the one thats confused,not them! Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all My apologies for this ghastly flood of old messages we've all been subjected to in the last 24 hours. This was a attack on the list by a hacker, highly malicious and extremely childish. I hope to be able to tell you more about it soon. For now, the culprit has, I think, been dealt with and hopefully it should be over. There were 800 false messages sent altogether in 24 hours. I managed to stop 500 of them, but there was nothing I could do about the rest, I'm very sorry to say. They were all previous messages from bona-fide list members sent again with the current date. Yahoo, as expected, proved worse than useless when it came to any assistance - their own website and its controls had been compromised, but they just weren't interested. Unfortunately, some genuine messages got caught up in the flood of false messages. I managed to save some of them, which I'm now forwarding to the list. Others may have been lost. If your message does not show up, please send it again. My apologies for this too. I suppose there'll be some residual confusion for a day or so, but I do hope we can all now get on with business-as-usual free of interference from people I can only describe as psychopaths. Meanwhile I've had to set the whole list to Moderated to stem this flood of garbage. This is just an emergency measure and I'll reset it to Unmoderated as soon as it seems safe to do so. In the meantime there'll be some delay while new messages wait to be cleared, sorry for the inconvenience. What has surprised me is that more list members haven't unsubscribed, faced with this onslaught. Few if any seem to have done so. Thankyou so much for your patience and tolerance. A nice demonstration of just what a tiny minority among sane and decent people the sociopathic element is, even on the Internet. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Request for listers
I may have to change boards.I actually agree with you. Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do i choose digest mode? First, you take a powder to recover from your sick[ness] over what you self-centeredly declare to be useless biodiesel info. Second, go to Yahoo Groups, then My Groups and then edit preferences for Digest Mode. Third, wipe your nose and wake up to the reality that the world and its needs are much bigger than the isolated veg-oil bubble that you would like to live in. Chances are that you're going to fall back on a lot of that useless information at some point in time. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Request for listers with ya there pal.. am sick of a lot of useless e mail regarding bio diesel, how do i choose digest mode? thanks chris mid england new to vegi oil using [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment
I don't agree with alot of the people here. Thats why I like it here. You can't learn much from people who think the same as you.But I have to agree with Keith on this.The only thing I would add is a couple of plays from the Hitler play book.Number one,when running an oppressive regime,give the people a common enemy to hate. this takes the focus off your own shortcomings.Number two,be ruthless in all opposition to what you want no matter how reasonable. The one that I would add is one my dad gave me;when in doubt of the motives,follow the money. Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Woolsey wrote... a load of total nonsense. A bunch of fact-free opinions only to be found among a particular sector of thoroughly-spun Americans. Whatever would you do without FoxTV John? Learn something maybe? What's always amusing about this stuff is how they they espouse a balanced approach and advise against being an easy mark for the rhetoric, LOL! At least it's amusing if you try, damn' annoying if you don't. I have no intention of defending Isreal. he said, defending Israel. However the tone of these articles are scary at best. Talking about motive as being irrelevant, etc, etc. Of course motive is important. If there is no logical reason for someone to do something most likely the basic assumptions are flawed. When a war goes on bad things happen. A lot. Ships sink. People die, etc, etc. If you dig deeply enough you can find something grey and then proceed to build a case for whatever you want. There is no black and white in the world. Get used to it and understand it or you are an easy mark. The fact remains that Isreal was attacked and whatever happened after that and since was not their doing directly. Yes they could have acted better and they still can. But then so can the people on the other sides. They probably have a right to act more paranoid than anyone else since they are surrounded and no one else is. Remember everything points to the fact that if they had not been attacked none of this would have ever happened. Trying to build a case for hate is stupid. Yes it is, you shouldn't do it. Take a balanced approach. Umm... Remember all of the dictators in that area of the world need you to hate someone. Isreal, the US, Britain, someone. Because if you don't then you will start asking too many questions. You should try a few questions rather than all these cosy assumptions. Saddam killed a hundred thousand of his own people in a very short time. How is he defended by people who support him? You mean by Reagan and Bush Snr? Rather well. Bush Jnr's numbers are getting quite impressive too, he'll be equalling that achievement soon. Of course the intentionally brutal and murderous sanctions the US insisted on, despite worldwide protests, killed maybe eight times as many, half of them children, an achievement not to be belittled. By fomenting hate. True, if you mean Reagan and Bush Snr, and if you don't you should. It is not relevant to who. If you buy into the rhetoric then you where helping him to kill thousands. He is not unique. Nope, indeed not, the US has supported a long and as-yet unending line of brutal and murderous dictators like Saddam. Now you're going to say I hate America or something. Wrong - as with everything else. I don't like dissembly and obfuscation, whether intentional or unwitting. Aarghhh! - it's no use! We've seen this smug and circular line of blather (one of their favourite words) going round and round so often, its internal logic hermetically sealed against any hint of that dreadful stuff reality. I'm not going to argue with you and I hope nobody else bothers to either, your views do not merit sensible discussion, especially not on an international list with worldwide membership such as this one. It's all in the archives already, long since, go and search out what's been said previously before you preach this crap at people here. I know you won't bother to do that, but unless you do (and do it without simply dismissing or not even seeing anything that might disagree with you) please be aware that the solid ground you're standing on is about as solid as a bog, and so is your credibility here. Keith Addison Most of the dictators in the region use this technique and kill many people. In fact I would go as far as to say most modern dictators do this. Just start looking for them throughout Africa and Asia. They all do the same thing. North Korea for example is collapsing because it is the only communist economy that isn't growing. So they start building nukes to pick a fight with the world. Remember it was a north korean diplomat who bragged that caused all of their 'problems'. Also remember that North Korea could easily flatten Sol in less then half an hour with standard artilary making nukes totally unessessary for self
Re: [biofuel] Dream Processor
Don't feel like your being ignored.Sometimes we get off on a tangent and forget
our manners,Hello and welcome.From what I understand Keith,who is the board
moderator was in the process of moving to a new house when you first signed on.
Its kind of a self serve place with lots of help when needed.There are many
knowledgeable people here,but not always at the same time.I would recommend the
link journey to forever at the bottom of the replies.There is a wealth of info
there and it may save you from going the wrong way in your construction.
Rico
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Sorry if my first post here was long winded and boring but I am
disappointed in the lack of responses (zero) to it. I was hoping to
generate some response to the making of my processor project using
stainless steal for the main material. If you had a sheet of metal ( you
tell me what kind of metal ) that was 5' x 10' ( I hope this is enough to
work with ) what size would you make the tanks, What kind of bottoms
would you have ( funnel or flat or just slanted to one point ). how many
tanks. Where would you place the heaters and how many. and where would
you put the hoses ( keep your dirty comments in your dirty minds please).
I give you a blank piece of paper to plan your dream processor. Show me
what you want! I know for a lot of you making it your self is half the
fun and from what I have read for some it is not. I plan on making my own
from your dreams but if this is not practical then from parts of the
dreams. When I am done with the estimating I will tell you what it would
cost me to make and if any are interested in one just let me know. I am
looking at making 20 to 50 Gal. at a time and if any of you are
interested in this I will go with the majority on the out put. Please
help me with this project. Thanks in advance {:-) Brian K. Ok another
long winded letter.--- So I like to ramble }:-) B.K.
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Moving
Very true,I was speaking of the building.But,come to think of it don't we end up in a symbiotic relationship with the structures we inhabit? Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck on your new digs.I hope you find them inspiring and that they bend to your will Rico Thankyou Rico - other way round though, it's us who'll bend to its will. Man's work with nature that furthers nature's aims is the work that rewards him the best, says the I Ching, very wisely. However, discerning just what nature's aims might be isn't always so simple. It needs an empty mind. Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks for your good wishes, Luc, Brian, Jorge and all. Especially since I was expecting a thumping for neglecting the list maintenance. But we got it all installed and set up last night without any problems or delays, not like last time (18 months ago) when we were offline for most of a week. May your move be pleasant, and without incident. May the birds greet you with cheer. Fresh mountain air, good to keep the cobwebs out of the mind :) Luc Thankyou! Yes, all that and more - very fresh air, crisp and clean, birds everywhere, really peaceful and quiet. Visitors said that about our last place, but there's no comparison, this is much better. It's pretty round here. I'm sitting at my desk with the screens open and all I can see is wild green stuff, starting 10 feet away, beyond that forested slopes and blue sky. It's great! The mind is sort of hopelessly cobwebbed beyond all remedy but the spirit soars. On the other hand the wild boar are a problem, so are the deer, if you grow stuff, and we've seen a few weasels, the chicken hutch (the end bit of one of the sheds) is currently being turned into Midori's version of Fort Chicken. The chooks have got a whole field to run on during the day though. Sounds like a positivie move. Hope all goes well. I'm hoping I get to move somewhere more mountainous soon. Brian It's only about an hour away, so no need for an everything-one-time move, much easier. Still a lot of chaos and a lot of stuff yet to be moved, but the rest is quite easy. We were cooking on biodiesel last night and this morning because the gasman messed up, but he's here now connecting it all. We'll still use the biodiesel though, and we'll replace the gas with biogas eventually anyway. Lots of work to do getting the land in condition for crops - we've got a tractor and a rotavator, both diesels (and a few other diesels, including an old 250cc Yanmar, interesting), and there's a few tons of compost to be brought from the old place and so on. I'd like to get some pigs to do the ploughing, they're much better (and you can't make biogas with tractor-manure, nor do tractors make good bacon). Mountains though, yes - Mountains Are Good For You. A couple of years in Holland convinced me of that, and I was born on one after all. I do notice though that the more mountainous we get the less we use our bicycles. Moving? I know what you meanI move from the states to Honduras 10 years ago I'm a lot of stuff get lost,broken or just missing...I hope it won't be your case...happy moving!!! Jorge Thankyou Jorge, we should be okay, I don't think we'll lose anything this time, touch wood. We're quite good at this, we seem to do it about once a year, which doesn't make it any less of a PITA. Best wishes Keith --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all Apologies in advance... We're likely to be somewhat chaotic over the next few days or so, or rather even more chaotic - we're moving house. Actually we're moving not only house but also Journey to Forever, the complete catastrophe, and all the fish. Well, chickens and so on anyway, plus all ongoing projects, gear, large dead-tree library, loads of TEJ (Totally Essential Junk without which life is hardly possible), etc. Especially etc. So list admin. is likely to be even more all over the place than usual. We're going here, if you're interested: another 100-year-old farmhouse up in the mountains, but in much better condition than this unfixably decrepit old wreck we're in now. Better place all round, more land too. http://journeytoforever.org/tamba.jpg Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL
Re: [biofuel] Re: Moving
Good luck on your new digs.I hope you find them inspiring and that they bend to your will Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks for your good wishes, Luc, Brian, Jorge and all. Especially since I was expecting a thumping for neglecting the list maintenance. But we got it all installed and set up last night without any problems or delays, not like last time (18 months ago) when we were offline for most of a week. May your move be pleasant, and without incident. May the birds greet you with cheer. Fresh mountain air, good to keep the cobwebs out of the mind :) Luc Thankyou! Yes, all that and more - very fresh air, crisp and clean, birds everywhere, really peaceful and quiet. Visitors said that about our last place, but there's no comparison, this is much better. It's pretty round here. I'm sitting at my desk with the screens open and all I can see is wild green stuff, starting 10 feet away, beyond that forested slopes and blue sky. It's great! The mind is sort of hopelessly cobwebbed beyond all remedy but the spirit soars. On the other hand the wild boar are a problem, so are the deer, if you grow stuff, and we've seen a few weasels, the chicken hutch (the end bit of one of the sheds) is currently being turned into Midori's version of Fort Chicken. The chooks have got a whole field to run on during the day though. Sounds like a positivie move. Hope all goes well. I'm hoping I get to move somewhere more mountainous soon. Brian It's only about an hour away, so no need for an everything-one-time move, much easier. Still a lot of chaos and a lot of stuff yet to be moved, but the rest is quite easy. We were cooking on biodiesel last night and this morning because the gasman messed up, but he's here now connecting it all. We'll still use the biodiesel though, and we'll replace the gas with biogas eventually anyway. Lots of work to do getting the land in condition for crops - we've got a tractor and a rotavator, both diesels (and a few other diesels, including an old 250cc Yanmar, interesting), and there's a few tons of compost to be brought from the old place and so on. I'd like to get some pigs to do the ploughing, they're much better (and you can't make biogas with tractor-manure, nor do tractors make good bacon). Mountains though, yes - Mountains Are Good For You. A couple of years in Holland convinced me of that, and I was born on one after all. I do notice though that the more mountainous we get the less we use our bicycles. Moving? I know what you meanI move from the states to Honduras 10 years ago I'm a lot of stuff get lost,broken or just missing...I hope it won't be your case...happy moving!!! Jorge Thankyou Jorge, we should be okay, I don't think we'll lose anything this time, touch wood. We're quite good at this, we seem to do it about once a year, which doesn't make it any less of a PITA. Best wishes Keith --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all Apologies in advance... We're likely to be somewhat chaotic over the next few days or so, or rather even more chaotic - we're moving house. Actually we're moving not only house but also Journey to Forever, the complete catastrophe, and all the fish. Well, chickens and so on anyway, plus all ongoing projects, gear, large dead-tree library, loads of TEJ (Totally Essential Junk without which life is hardly possible), etc. Especially etc. So list admin. is likely to be even more all over the place than usual. We're going here, if you're interested: another 100-year-old farmhouse up in the mountains, but in much better condition than this unfixably decrepit old wreck we're in now. Better place all round, more land too. http://journeytoforever.org/tamba.jpg Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Hi I'm back in town.Lets get back to basics.What issue am I dancing around?Lets take them one at a time.I thought I had made myself clear.And, having lived in Florida and worked in the government,I thought it would give me an insight that you would appreciate.Instead you ignored what I said and continued to spout second hand information.So lets get back to it,point by point.But remember,I speak from first hand knowledge. Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, Until you can post the first fact and then start supplementing that one with others, I have to politely request that you stuff a sock in it Only when you prove yourself capable of accomplishing the former do you hold a valid place in the conversation that you wish to continue. What you conveniently sidestep and intentionally forget is that the rest of the world lived through the same experience and has the historical and judicial record or thieir side, making your unsupported opinion all rather empty and worthless. Good Day. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine OK, I'm worn out.Your facts,my facts.If I have to spoon feed you its no fun.they cry for milk but there only ready for milk!The only way to grow is to remain objective.And stop the name calling.By the caliber of your words it would seem to be beneath you. I hope to renew our dialog in the future.Let it not be a monologue again Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, If you don't care to believe fact, that's your choice. However, it's my choice not to take others too seriously when they dance around, deny, distort or attempt to dissuade others from fact - their own arguments supported on other foundation than their unfounded opinion. If that's what your tastes are, then you'll certainly find yourself to be dining at a different restaurant. Good day. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi Todd, Been laid up.I'm sorry I couldn't back to you sooner. Are we back to the name calling or don't I even rate half a whit?I was sincere about the web site.It was above the usual.There was just too much conjecture for my taste. I thank you for affording me a half hour of your valuable time.Believe me,it was time well spent.I learned something new,and who can put a price tag on an education? I'm just sorry that in your enthusiasm to pile drive your point into my thick skull you missed what I was saying.Maybe if you looked again.Looked at what I said as a whole and not a personal attack on a cherished belief Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions Hornswaggle. It's based upon court records, archived data of the period and the results of post-election examination of ballots and events by several print media outlets, the latter conducted under the eyes of election supervision offices. The conclusions are there for anyone to draw, provided they've been bequeathed with half a wit. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted. Legally they were and are supposed to be manually tabulated. They weren't. They were discounted by election officials who knew that they were acting contrary to Florida statute. From that remark on you start to dabble in your own personal opinion, rather than fact. An overvote that is clearly marked for the same candidate in both the punch area and the write-in area requres no thought or guesswork to make an accurate determination. That's where, how and why they dare. All other combinations that create the slightest opportunity for doubt are null and void. As for the first one being free? You're right. It cost me a half-hour of valuable time. But to let glib one-liners of absolutely errant content go by unaddressed is an even greater waste, as others not so prone to check such claims could easily be led to believe that they were fact. Your claim certainly wasn't based upon fact. So perhaps you would care to state what it was based upon rather than letting anyone assign its basis? Nothing personal. Just that most people have no use for folly, fraud, false trails and misinformation. In the time honoured words of John Billings, I honestly believe it iz better tew know nothing than tew know what ain't so. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
OK, I'm worn out.Your facts,my facts.If I have to spoon feed you its no fun.they cry for milk but there only ready for milk!The only way to grow is to remain objective.And stop the name calling.By the caliber of your words it would seem to be beneath you. I hope to renew our dialog in the future.Let it not be a monologue again Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, If you don't care to believe fact, that's your choice. However, it's my choice not to take others too seriously when they dance around, deny, distort or attempt to dissuade others from fact - their own arguments supported on other foundation than their unfounded opinion. If that's what your tastes are, then you'll certainly find yourself to be dining at a different restaurant. Good day. - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi Todd, Been laid up.I'm sorry I couldn't back to you sooner. Are we back to the name calling or don't I even rate half a whit?I was sincere about the web site.It was above the usual.There was just too much conjecture for my taste. I thank you for affording me a half hour of your valuable time.Believe me,it was time well spent.I learned something new,and who can put a price tag on an education? I'm just sorry that in your enthusiasm to pile drive your point into my thick skull you missed what I was saying.Maybe if you looked again.Looked at what I said as a whole and not a personal attack on a cherished belief Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rico, The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions Hornswaggle. It's based upon court records, archived data of the period and the results of post-election examination of ballots and events by several print media outlets, the latter conducted under the eyes of election supervision offices. The conclusions are there for anyone to draw, provided they've been bequeathed with half a wit. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted. Legally they were and are supposed to be manually tabulated. They weren't. They were discounted by election officials who knew that they were acting contrary to Florida statute. From that remark on you start to dabble in your own personal opinion, rather than fact. An overvote that is clearly marked for the same candidate in both the punch area and the write-in area requres no thought or guesswork to make an accurate determination. That's where, how and why they dare. All other combinations that create the slightest opportunity for doubt are null and void. As for the first one being free? You're right. It cost me a half-hour of valuable time. But to let glib one-liners of absolutely errant content go by unaddressed is an even greater waste, as others not so prone to check such claims could easily be led to believe that they were fact. Your claim certainly wasn't based upon fact. So perhaps you would care to state what it was based upon rather than letting anyone assign its basis? Nothing personal. Just that most people have no use for folly, fraud, false trails and misinformation. In the time honoured words of John Billings, I honestly believe it iz better tew know nothing than tew know what ain't so. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Hi, I wrote a great dissertation yesterday.Took me almost a half hour.It was very passionate you know.I clicked to send and my server crashed. I really don't have the willingness to regurgitate all I said yesterday,but I do owe you the courtesy of a reply. The web link you sent me was great!None of the usual swill and rants.However it still consists mostly of opinions.I could present an equal number of figures and links to contradict what you said.In the end we have learned nothing more than that we are both stubborn in our beliefs and deft at researching support for our side. The article you sent me to said that the overvotes were to be counted.Thats something I'm familiar with.I was born and raised in ChicagoVote Early! Vote Often! Part of the article said people were trying to determine what voters wanted when they selected nether candidate.I can answer that.It meant they thought both choices stunk!How dare they suppose to interfere with someones vote.As if the voter wasn't smart enough. I could ask why Gore courted the military vote with his two week stay in Viet Nam and then wanted their votes disqualified in Fl. A year
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Hi Keith,Sorry I didn't reply sooner.Threw out my back.Couldn't stand to sit if you'll pardon the pun.Yes and no.I did read the link but missed the author.My fault.A pox upon me! or something like that. As I said before When I was living down south there were many in gov.offices looking for opportunities to deny people there rights.To say Bush was a deliberate actor in this is to give him credit for something he was probably not aware of.Racism is still alive and doing very well in the south without any help from the Republican party. Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, Thank you for your reply. I wrote a lengthy reply to apprl and then my server crashed.So I wrote a second note that turned into war and peace.Being only a two finger typer,it goes pretty slow.Thank you for the kind way you explained just who Podvin was.I meant no disrespect to the man.But I do disagree strongly with what little I have read. Then, Rico, I suggest you try reading the links I posted in that message, since I don't think you did, or maybe you'd have noticed they were by Greg Palast, not David Podvin. Thanks for a great bio diesel forum. Well, thankyou, but everyone's to blame for that, not just me. :-) (Um, not just biodiesel!) PS I really like the people here too.I just can't help myself sometimes. Indeed yes. Fractious lot they (we) can be though, I can see I'm going to have to hit the Sweetness Light button again soon. Trouble is it doesn't work, completely ineffective, must be M$ stuff I suppose, mumble mumble... Keith Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from?? Planet USA, I believe. As is Greg Palast, though he had to go elsewhere because he's a first-rate investigative journalist and he found that the ever-more-concentrated ownership of the allegedly free media on Planet USA disapproved of the truth because it got in their way. But, though based now on Planet UK, which is marginally better in such things though still far from ideal, he continues to report on events on Planet USA. The fact that large numbers of the citizens of Planet USA have voted with their pockets to keep Palast's book on these matters in the top 10 bestsellers list for some time now would seem to indicate that a considerable proportion of that planet's population agrees with him and Podvin, and many others, and not with the media owners and you, and many others, when it comes to things like truth and what is and is not disproven. You could be among them. You should be among them, you owe it to yourself. You owe it to everyone. Among them the large numbers of other citizens of Planet USA who were denied a vote because they had been unjustly criminalised - guilty in advance, potential felons, as Jeb Bush called them, suspected of potentially attempting to vote while being black. Which is about to happen all over again, and not just in Florida, though it wasn't just in Florida last time too. See, for instance: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040517s=palast April 29, 2004 Vanishing Votes by Gregory Palast More: http://GregPalast.com/columns.cfm?subject_id=1subject_name=Theft%20of %20Presidency Columns - Theft of Presidency Not just one man saying so on the basis of nothing (like you), it's all in the record, for those who care to look. You can get the book here - it's called The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: http://www.gregpalast.com/store.htm Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! You mean Manifest Destiny? I'd rather let the truth get in the way of it, no matter how inconvenient that might be. Best Keith FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/021001_ManifestDestiny.htm snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year [Non-text portions of this message have been
Re: [biofuel] Re: college student lookin for help
Hi I Iive near Purdue also.We were hoping to get enough people in the area interested to have a demo or class.There was also a gent down near Indy who was also keen on a class.I had e mailed girl mark about possibly coming out but I haven't heard back yet. Is there anyone else out there in the Chicago N/W Indiana area looking for a get together? Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Beth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is anyone in this group in Indiana, USA? im starting to make my own fuel, but im having trouble and was wondering if anyone was close enough to talk to and show me how they do this? im a student @ Purdue and have a few ideas i'd like to try and discuss Beth ps-any feedback at all would be nice If you say what trouble you're having and what your ideas are I'm sure you'll get feedback. Please note, also, that a lot of people, probably most, have learnt how to make their own fuel without ever seeing another operation or being shown anything. Many have been helped to do that right here by other list members, and using the resources at Journey to Forever and in the list archives via the links at the end of each message. Best wishes Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Anyone on this group live in Oklahoma? what sh*t
Hi,I may be coming in on this a little late so please bear with me. I work for a large restaurant chain.Six years ago they used to pay us for our waste oil.It wasn't much but they did.Then the market changed and ever since then we've had to pay for the oil and grease to be taken away...till now.The market is starting to change again.I don't know what drives this change but I do know that by the end of the year we will be getting paid for our waste oil again. Rico Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Restaurants in North Carolina are getting about a penny a pound for their wvo, or around 5.00 for a 55 gallon drum. On May 19, 2004, at 3:22 PM, CH wrote: I agree! That bit about the restaurants planning on selling their grease to a recycling company is the most bogus part of the article. Does anyone know of restaurants who actually sell their waste veg oil to a renderer? Chris billy truman wrote: resturants don't sell the used oil, the pay to have it taken away. So ? --- erichalltoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The restaurants were planning to sell the grease to a recycling company and the total value of the stolen goods was about $380. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Lyle Estill CEO Blast Internet Services www.blast.com (919) 545-2551 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
/lostvotes.htm But you'll turn your nose up at the facts (see footnotes/references) and snot at the outlet. Forget that when the US Supreme Court halted the recount the totals were within 113 or 114 votes of a Gore victory. Forget the findings of the NAACP lawsuit settled on 9/4/2002. And you'll discount the Diebold electronic voting machine errors in Volusia and Brevard counties, to the tune of 20,000 some odd votes. They were caught only because of their glaring size. Nobody bothered to check the rest of the electronic machines for errors. That certainly doesn't bode well for the accuracy of electronic voting in 2004. Frankly, what it sounds like brother, is that you're more interested in walking through life with your eyes focused on what is convenient to your belief system rather than reality. And in the process? You have no problem dissing/dismissing anyone or anything that you're in disagreement with. Meaning that the only place that fact becomes fiction and tired old disproven diatribe is in your mind, where the court of reason seems to be largely on permanent recess. Pity that. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from??Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin American foreign policy is revisiting the most brutal period in our history. George W. Bush has resurrected the scourge of Manifest Destiny, a depraved philosophy that states we are morally compelled by God Almighty to kill weaker people and steal their land. There is no scriptural evidence that this is the covenant of Jehovah or Jesus or Mohammad or Buddha; the God whose will is now being carried out more closely resembles Attila the Hun. The stated desire for world domination has some observers comparing Bush to Adolf Hitler. It is a comparison that is entirely inappropriate - Hitler did not pretend to love the innocent civilians he was slaughtering. On the home front, there is also an unwelcome blast from the past. As has happened so many times in American history, conservatives are expediently detecting the scent of treason in the air. The moon is full, and the blood is rising in the wolf. Right-wingers are now working themselves into the irrational, frenzied state that precedes the hunt, lustfully anticipating the carnage they are about to inflict. Yet again, conservatives are patriotically preparing to lay waste to their natural born prey: the evil ones amongst us who endanger this sacred land by failing to conform to the Lord's fascist agenda. Having fostered imperialism abroad and McCarthyism at home, and with the stock market teetering on the edge of collapse, Bush is closing in on a Trifecta for the ages. Add the fact that he previously prevented blacks from voting, throw in the current discrimination against citizens who physically resemble the enemy, and Bush has delivered a reprise of the worst of twentieth century America - all deftly compressed into less than two years The Bush record is a logical extension of what happened in 2000. The theft of that election was not just a power grab - it was a policy statement by someone who has contempt for democracy and the rule of law. The inevitable result is the introduction of the Bush Doctrine. It declares that, while the United States would prefer to behave legally, We will not hesitate to act alone, if necessary, to exercise our right of self-defense by acting pre-emptively. The Bush Doctrine is the latest incarnation of the Manson Doctrine, which clearly states, I reserve the right to kill you if I feel like it. This is not the best of America. America at its best exports freedom and democracy, not death and destruction. One of the shining moments in our history occurred when the Marshall Plan rebuilt Europe, even the part of Europe that had just tried to kill us. After defeating our enemies, we fed them and then helped to create free societies in which they could thrive. As a result, we turned adversaries into allies. Contrast this approach with the current situation in Afghanistan, where Bush has replaced the Taliban with thugs of his own and left the peasants to fend for themselves - without food or shelter - by growing opium poppies. America at its best allows people to read library books without having the Attorney General pass judgment on their selections, and go to museums without being monitored by FBI agents
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Keith, Thank you for your reply. I wrote a lengthy reply to apprl and then my server crashed.So I wrote a second note that turned into war and peace.Being only a two finger typer,it goes pretty slow.Thank you for the kind way you explained just who Podvin was.I meant no disrespect to the man.But I do disagree strongly with what little I have read. Thanks for a great bio diesel forum. PS I really like the people here too.I just can't help myself sometimes. Rico Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from?? Planet USA, I believe. As is Greg Palast, though he had to go elsewhere because he's a first-rate investigative journalist and he found that the ever-more-concentrated ownership of the allegedly free media on Planet USA disapproved of the truth because it got in their way. But, though based now on Planet UK, which is marginally better in such things though still far from ideal, he continues to report on events on Planet USA. The fact that large numbers of the citizens of Planet USA have voted with their pockets to keep Palast's book on these matters in the top 10 bestsellers list for some time now would seem to indicate that a considerable proportion of that planet's population agrees with him and Podvin, and many others, and not with the media owners and you, and many others, when it comes to things like truth and what is and is not disproven. You could be among them. You should be among them, you owe it to yourself. You owe it to everyone. Among them the large numbers of other citizens of Planet USA who were denied a vote because they had been unjustly criminalised - guilty in advance, potential felons, as Jeb Bush called them, suspected of potentially attempting to vote while being black. Which is about to happen all over again, and not just in Florida, though it wasn't just in Florida last time too. See, for instance: http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20040517s=palast April 29, 2004 Vanishing Votes by Gregory Palast More: http://GregPalast.com/columns.cfm?subject_id=1subject_name=Theft%20of %20Presidency Columns - Theft of Presidency Not just one man saying so on the basis of nothing (like you), it's all in the record, for those who care to look. You can get the book here - it's called The Best Democracy Money Can Buy: http://www.gregpalast.com/store.htm Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! You mean Manifest Destiny? I'd rather let the truth get in the way of it, no matter how inconvenient that might be. Best Keith FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/021001_ManifestDestiny.htm snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The Bush Doctrine The Manson Doctrine
Podvin?Denied voting?Stole an election?What planet is he from??Lets not allow the truth to get in the way of a tired old disproven diatribe! FlameOn Brother Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10/1/02 Unaltered AP photograph of George W. Bush, taken at a fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Bob Beauprez in Denver, Colorado September 27, 2002 MANIFEST DESTINY By David Podvin American foreign policy is revisiting the most brutal period in our history. George W. Bush has resurrected the scourge of Manifest Destiny, a depraved philosophy that states we are morally compelled by God Almighty to kill weaker people and steal their land. There is no scriptural evidence that this is the covenant of Jehovah or Jesus or Mohammad or Buddha; the God whose will is now being carried out more closely resembles Attila the Hun. The stated desire for world domination has some observers comparing Bush to Adolf Hitler. It is a comparison that is entirely inappropriate - Hitler did not pretend to love the innocent civilians he was slaughtering. On the home front, there is also an unwelcome blast from the past. As has happened so many times in American history, conservatives are expediently detecting the scent of treason in the air. The moon is full, and the blood is rising in the wolf. Right-wingers are now working themselves into the irrational, frenzied state that precedes the hunt, lustfully anticipating the carnage they are about to inflict. Yet again, conservatives are patriotically preparing to lay waste to their natural born prey: the evil ones amongst us who endanger this sacred land by failing to conform to the Lord's fascist agenda. Having fostered imperialism abroad and McCarthyism at home, and with the stock market teetering on the edge of collapse, Bush is closing in on a Trifecta for the ages. Add the fact that he previously prevented blacks from voting, throw in the current discrimination against citizens who physically resemble the enemy, and Bush has delivered a reprise of the worst of twentieth century America - all deftly compressed into less than two years The Bush record is a logical extension of what happened in 2000. The theft of that election was not just a power grab - it was a policy statement by someone who has contempt for democracy and the rule of law. The inevitable result is the introduction of the Bush Doctrine. It declares that, while the United States would prefer to behave legally, We will not hesitate to act alone, if necessary, to exercise our right of self-defense by acting pre-emptively. The Bush Doctrine is the latest incarnation of the Manson Doctrine, which clearly states, I reserve the right to kill you if I feel like it. This is not the best of America. America at its best exports freedom and democracy, not death and destruction. One of the shining moments in our history occurred when the Marshall Plan rebuilt Europe, even the part of Europe that had just tried to kill us. After defeating our enemies, we fed them and then helped to create free societies in which they could thrive. As a result, we turned adversaries into allies. Contrast this approach with the current situation in Afghanistan, where Bush has replaced the Taliban with thugs of his own and left the peasants to fend for themselves - without food or shelter - by growing opium poppies. America at its best allows people to read library books without having the Attorney General pass judgment on their selections, and go to museums without being monitored by FBI agents, and publicly demonstrate against government policy without being harassed. The best of America is George Washington declining to become king because he preferred to live as an equal rather than rule as a sovereign. This stands in sharp contrast to the current George, who attempts to rule as a sovereign even though he fails to qualify as an equal. The best of America is Abraham Lincoln imploring his countrymen to avoid war by listening to the better angels of their nature. It is quite different than imploring Congress to slash Medicare benefits for old Americans in order to help underwrite the cost of sending young Americans off to die. The best of America is Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., risking and ultimately sacrificing his own life so that others could be free at last. Personal sacrifice is alien to the man who now insists that our country pay a huge toll in blood and treasure to satiate the greed of his campaign contributors. America is a great country when we follow the lead of great people. And then there is the America that is led by George W. Bush. While the litany of ways in which Bush has disgraced our nation is seemingly endless, one example is especially compelling. Under Bush, self-proclaimed child of God, America is currently torturing foreign nationals who are suspected of committing terrorism. This return to the caves is cheered
Re: [biofuel] Upcoming Biodiesel Events Newsletter- May edition (mostly California)
Hi, Did you recieve the info I sent you about a possible Chicago area class? Paul girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are the classes and biodiesel events (mostly in northern California) that I know about in the next few months. This listing is from the california biodiesel events list, www.groups.yahoo.com/group/norcal-biodiesel-events . More details will be posted there for some of these events. If you know of other classes or demonstrations that will feature biodiesel or SVO, please send me the info for announcement. If you know of events (like fairs or festivals) that want a biodiesel demo presence, or know of places that would like to host workshops or talks about biodiesel, please send me their contact info. There are a number of people interested in presenting at these events. *** Biodiesel Mixin' Mixer at Path To Freedom: Sunday, May 16, 2004, 3:00 to 8:00 p.m. WHERE: Path to Freedom 631 Cypress Ave Pasadena, California 626.795.8400 RSVP: htttp://www.pathtofreedom.com/outreach COST: Small donations ($5-$10) At this demo, you will see how to make your own Biodiesel, become familiarized with a fumeless water heater processor, and last but not least ãsmell the tailpipeä exposition. 3:00 WELCOME ÷ Open Garage 3:15 BIODIESEL 101 ÷ Learn about biodiesel, its history and benefits as an alternative fuel. A 10 page Introduction to Biodiesel will be handed out. 5:00 POTLUCK ÷ Please bring healthful foods and drinks (non-alcoholic) to share and contribute to the Potluck. 5:30 HOMEBREW BIODIESEL÷ Become familiar with the compact fumeless water heater processor as Jules demonstrates the process of safely brewing biodiesel. 7:00 - 8:00 Bio-VIDEO SHOWING *** CHANGE YOUR FUEL FILTER Tuesday, May 18, 6-9pm Our first hands-on workshop at the Biofuel Oasis, Berkeley BioFuel Oasis - 2465 4th Street @ Dwight, Berkeley, CA 510.665.5509 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --We'll have you change your fuel filter so you know exactly how to do it, but we'll be there to instruct you the whole way. It's a good thing to proactively change your fuel filter every 3-6 months, so you don't end up having to do it on the road. If it's time to change it, email us to sign up for this free workshop. Let us know what kind of car you have and what time would be convenient for you. We'll make up a schedule, and send you an email reminder. Bring a fuel filter (German Auto Salvage on 4th St is a good place to get one), a couple screwdrivers, and possibly a clamp or visegrips and an oil/fuel drip pan. You can also just come and watch. * Biodiesel Homebrew Class! DATE: May 22, 2004, 10am to 6pm LOCATION: Lyle Center for Regenerative Studies, CalPoly Pomona COST: $20 to 50, sliding scale. if you don't have the cash, and you want to come, you are welcome. We'll go over theory, do trial tests, do test batches of your own, all kinds of talk on quality (how to be sure you got the good stuff to put in your lovely engine), wash techniques, and tons of talk on equipment... including how to make your own reactor. Brought to you by Kalib Kersch RSVP to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** May 22, Oakland, Homebrew Biodiesel Class, taught by Jennifer Radtke- class enrollment closed already ** May 15th - informal biodiesel demo in Albuquerque, NM contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] by Friday the 14th with your phone number for more details * May 22, Tucson, AZ, 10-5 Homebrew Biodiesel Comprehensive Workshop, At Toole Ave Studios, 197 E Toole, downtown Tucson $20-$50 sliding scale taught by Maria Îmarkâ Alovert Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for details May 23rd, Tucson, AZ- 10-5 Biodiesel Equipment Building Class 197 E Toole Ave, $20-$50 sliding scale If you would like to build a reactor at this workshop please contact me with your phone number by May 18th. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Saturday May 29th Hopland, CA Comprehensive Homebrew Biodiesel Class at Solar Living Institute with Maria 'Mark' Alovert http://store.solarlivingstore.com/bifufrve2920.html ** May 30th 12-6 Biodiesel Equipment Workshop (Berkeley) taught by Maria ÎMarkâ Alovert contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cost: $20-$50 sliding scale If you would like to build a reactor at this workshop (full biodiesel system cost is $200 for parts, bring your own water heater as reactor tank), please email me with your phone number by May 18th. ** July 2 Homebrew Biodiesel Class Hopland CA at Solar Living Institute with Jennifer Radtke http://store.solarlivingstore.com/bifufrve220h.html * July 3rd Straight Vegetable Oil Fuels Class Hopland CA Solar Living Institute Jennifer Radtke and co-instructor to be announced
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Class Tour... coming Re: biodiesel class
Great! I'd be happy to help out any way I can.I have a small mig stainless welder and all the tools she would need to put on a demo.I asked her to contact me off list for my phone and any other requests she may have.You too!Just let me know how Imay be of service. Paul Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Paul I am very familiar with East Hazel Crest. i had a couple of cousins who moved ther a while back. Also, my ex's family all worked for the Aurelios (of Aurelio's Pizza), and Joe and Sue Aurelio both used to live there as well. Small world. I had gotten an e-mail from Mark that she was looking into doing a Chicago workshop in the summer. I would definitely make the trip for that, and am hoping she is able to do so. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, I know Homewood.Had a girlfriend in East Hazelcrest once.Moved to New Orleans and came back about 12years ago to Indiana.Had some friends in Kokomo awhile back.Lost touch. I hope girl mark or something else jumps off.I'm a little skittish to go it alone in a town without some pratice first. I've got a thirsty Ford E350 I want to try it out on. Paul Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Paul. Central Indiana, a little north of Indy. I grew up just a little ways across the IL border from you, in Homewood. It's good to see fellow midwesterners here. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Brian! Actually i'm in nw ind.in Whiting,right on the lake.Whereabouts are you? Paul Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do end up doing anything in the Chicago area, please let the list know as well. I'm in Indiana, and would definitely be interested in coming to a workshop. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be intrested in anything that turns up around the Chi Town/tri state area.Please contact me off list. Paul girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've gotten quite a flurry of off-list interest from people in other areas of the country who want to host a workshop due to my biodiesel class 'tour' rumors. Here's some of my other plans: -Im going to Albuquerque and Tucson in May to tie up some loose ends from my past, and would love to stop and teach a workshop or two elsewhere in the Southwest, like Flagstaff or Phoenix or Silver City or Southern Colorado perhaps (won't go further than Albuquerque though this time around...) -I'm flying (ie no equipment, and therefore no classes) to the NBB meeting in Washington DC on July 12 and 13th, and a few of us are talking about having a small-scale commercial producers' dinner/get-together on one of the evenings during that meeting. I'll post details if this happens, and they will be discussed at www. groups.yahoo.com/group/local-b100-biz -Then I'm co-teaching at SEI (the incredible solar technology education center in Colorado, www.solarenergy.org I believe) with Martin of Boulder Biodiesel Coop in late July. This should be a great class- a five-day (?)biodiesel camp- and I'd also like to find a student who is going there who would like to build equipment as part of the class. Then I'm leaving from there and coming to the Midwest to do a tour in August (the options so far for me are madison, chicago, st louis, milwaukee possibly), and then I'd like to end up in North Carolina (asheville, boone? and Triangle area) for a few weeks (early september?) and therefore could swing up to Virginia someplace if there was interest for a class up there. The same deal applies as the Tucson class announcement: I can do a regular day-long (or longer minicourse) class in basics of biodiesel homebrewing, and if people think there is interest, I can do an equipment building class. I'm missing out on a job to do this in August (and my old truck is wearing out!), so I'd need to charge something for these classes, which is usually $20-$50 per student per day for the ones I do in California. (I run the pre-registration/advertising, and bring everything needed for the class, and I have to put in quite a few full days of prep for the equipment class especially). I can also (to afford this tour) simply build reactors for individuals who don't want to coordinate a class but are are 'along the route'. I've done a few of these already and I charge $200 labor, on top of your equipment
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Class Tour... coming Re: biodiesel class
Yea, I know Homewood.Had a girlfriend in East Hazelcrest once.Moved to New Orleans and came back about 12years ago to Indiana.Had some friends in Kokomo awhile back.Lost touch. I hope girl mark or something else jumps off.I'm a little skittish to go it alone in a town without some pratice first. I've got a thirsty Ford E350 I want to try it out on. Paul Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Paul. Central Indiana, a little north of Indy. I grew up just a little ways across the IL border from you, in Homewood. It's good to see fellow midwesterners here. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Brian! Actually i'm in nw ind.in Whiting,right on the lake.Whereabouts are you? Paul Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do end up doing anything in the Chicago area, please let the list know as well. I'm in Indiana, and would definitely be interested in coming to a workshop. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be intrested in anything that turns up around the Chi Town/tri state area.Please contact me off list. Paul girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've gotten quite a flurry of off-list interest from people in other areas of the country who want to host a workshop due to my biodiesel class 'tour' rumors. Here's some of my other plans: -Im going to Albuquerque and Tucson in May to tie up some loose ends from my past, and would love to stop and teach a workshop or two elsewhere in the Southwest, like Flagstaff or Phoenix or Silver City or Southern Colorado perhaps (won't go further than Albuquerque though this time around...) -I'm flying (ie no equipment, and therefore no classes) to the NBB meeting in Washington DC on July 12 and 13th, and a few of us are talking about having a small-scale commercial producers' dinner/get-together on one of the evenings during that meeting. I'll post details if this happens, and they will be discussed at www. groups.yahoo.com/group/local-b100-biz -Then I'm co-teaching at SEI (the incredible solar technology education center in Colorado, www.solarenergy.org I believe) with Martin of Boulder Biodiesel Coop in late July. This should be a great class- a five-day (?)biodiesel camp- and I'd also like to find a student who is going there who would like to build equipment as part of the class. Then I'm leaving from there and coming to the Midwest to do a tour in August (the options so far for me are madison, chicago, st louis, milwaukee possibly), and then I'd like to end up in North Carolina (asheville, boone? and Triangle area) for a few weeks (early september?) and therefore could swing up to Virginia someplace if there was interest for a class up there. The same deal applies as the Tucson class announcement: I can do a regular day-long (or longer minicourse) class in basics of biodiesel homebrewing, and if people think there is interest, I can do an equipment building class. I'm missing out on a job to do this in August (and my old truck is wearing out!), so I'd need to charge something for these classes, which is usually $20-$50 per student per day for the ones I do in California. (I run the pre-registration/advertising, and bring everything needed for the class, and I have to put in quite a few full days of prep for the equipment class especially). I can also (to afford this tour) simply build reactors for individuals who don't want to coordinate a class but are are 'along the route'. I've done a few of these already and I charge $200 labor, on top of your equipment costs. I think I'm bringing a small MIG welder with me on the August tour so some custom tank work is possible. I'll probably be traveling with another biodieseler or two but it won't be like inviting the whole Rainbow Family to your farm or anything scary. More on the Midwest stuff later as I make more firm plans. thank you everybody for the interest in this! mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Grahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee if you want to do one of those workshops in VA, we would volunteer! Caroline Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe
Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: auto safety tips
Michael, At the bottom of your disertation you wrote;for the rest of the information.Shouldn't that have beenfor the rest of my opnion? Paul Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In case you hadn't noticed, I have not commented on my thoughts on abortion. I agree that it is not a subject relevant to this board. While I find political discussion related to energy concerns to be quite appropriate to this board (just my opinion, others are, of course, free to disagree), I can't find a connection between energy issues and abortion or gun control. Brian Dear Brian, Gun control and abortion have to do with population. Population has a lot to do, with whether we can solve our energy challenges! Very Respectfully, Michael http://www.RecoveryByDiscovery.com Have you ever noticed, that those that support the right to life, often support the right to guns, and often support our right to kill', for their prisoners and often do not support welfare. Then, those that support the right to choice, often support gun control, and often support right to life, for their prisoners, and do support welfare. What is going on, at our deeper levels? Notice that both sides, can support some form, of right to life, and right to choice. It just depends what the life is for, and what the choice is for For the rest of the information, see: http://recoverybydiscovery.com/abortion.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Class Tour... coming Re: biodiesel class
Hey Brian! Actually i'm in nw ind.in Whiting,right on the lake.Whereabouts are you? Paul Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you do end up doing anything in the Chicago area, please let the list know as well. I'm in Indiana, and would definitely be interested in coming to a workshop. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be intrested in anything that turns up around the Chi Town/tri state area.Please contact me off list. Paul girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've gotten quite a flurry of off-list interest from people in other areas of the country who want to host a workshop due to my biodiesel class 'tour' rumors. Here's some of my other plans: -Im going to Albuquerque and Tucson in May to tie up some loose ends from my past, and would love to stop and teach a workshop or two elsewhere in the Southwest, like Flagstaff or Phoenix or Silver City or Southern Colorado perhaps (won't go further than Albuquerque though this time around...) -I'm flying (ie no equipment, and therefore no classes) to the NBB meeting in Washington DC on July 12 and 13th, and a few of us are talking about having a small-scale commercial producers' dinner/get-together on one of the evenings during that meeting. I'll post details if this happens, and they will be discussed at www. groups.yahoo.com/group/local-b100-biz -Then I'm co-teaching at SEI (the incredible solar technology education center in Colorado, www.solarenergy.org I believe) with Martin of Boulder Biodiesel Coop in late July. This should be a great class- a five-day (?)biodiesel camp- and I'd also like to find a student who is going there who would like to build equipment as part of the class. Then I'm leaving from there and coming to the Midwest to do a tour in August (the options so far for me are madison, chicago, st louis, milwaukee possibly), and then I'd like to end up in North Carolina (asheville, boone? and Triangle area) for a few weeks (early september?) and therefore could swing up to Virginia someplace if there was interest for a class up there. The same deal applies as the Tucson class announcement: I can do a regular day-long (or longer minicourse) class in basics of biodiesel homebrewing, and if people think there is interest, I can do an equipment building class. I'm missing out on a job to do this in August (and my old truck is wearing out!), so I'd need to charge something for these classes, which is usually $20-$50 per student per day for the ones I do in California. (I run the pre-registration/advertising, and bring everything needed for the class, and I have to put in quite a few full days of prep for the equipment class especially). I can also (to afford this tour) simply build reactors for individuals who don't want to coordinate a class but are are 'along the route'. I've done a few of these already and I charge $200 labor, on top of your equipment costs. I think I'm bringing a small MIG welder with me on the August tour so some custom tank work is possible. I'll probably be traveling with another biodieseler or two but it won't be like inviting the whole Rainbow Family to your farm or anything scary. More on the Midwest stuff later as I make more firm plans. thank you everybody for the interest in this! mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Grahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee if you want to do one of those workshops in VA, we would volunteer! Caroline Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms
Re: [biofuel] OT: auto safety tips
If I may humbly add my two cents. During the Viet Nam war many comparisons were made to the carnage on the roads and the death toll of the war.I too am with out substantiated facts but my dim bulb memory tells me that at the time the rates were comparable. I suppose one could call their insurance agent and ask what the actuarial tables were for a given year on auto deaths and have the answer in a wink. given the population increase in the US,even an offset by increased safety would probably make this number a constant.But,again thats just a guess on my part. I came in a little late on the conversation.I'm a pro lifer.But for the life of me I can't make the connection between auto deaths and abortions.Unless...someone was preforming one when they crashed the car. Paul Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 7:08 AM 4/26/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, Please provide a source for your statement number 2. On the face of it, I find it highly unlikely. Derek Simple. Read any statistics on the number of abortions performed in the USA annually. Greg Oh-ho, here we go - guns and abortions, LOL! Here's some more polarisation for you Robert, not that you wanted it. Now I guess the rest of us get to sit back and gaze in wonder at the American dysfunction in action. Greg, those one million women who just marched in Washington all reckon you're wrong, seems they feel rather strongly about it. http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18507 Pro-Choice March Largest in History Well, that's just a few of the American women. Trouble is young master Bush has gone and revived the Reagan-era global gag rule that denies U.S. funds to international family planning groups that use their own money for abortion counselling, services or lobbying even though it's legal in their own countries. I always wondered what sort of keyhole view it took to call it pro-life, blithely giving a Nelson's eye to all the women who get killed and the foetuses too because they get left with no other choice than those helpful back-alley ladies who poke around with a bent clothes-hanger. You think it's a myth, Greg? Check out all the women in this photograph: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/11/images/20031105-1_p354 10-21-515h.html Ogres. Best Keith 1. Your handgun related death number is grossly inflated. 2. The number killed in car wrecks annually is, incredibly, only a small fraction of the number killed by medical doctors each year !! Regards, Greg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Class Tour... coming Re: biodiesel class
I'd be intrested in anything that turns up around the Chi Town/tri state area.Please contact me off list. Paul girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've gotten quite a flurry of off-list interest from people in other areas of the country who want to host a workshop due to my biodiesel class 'tour' rumors. Here's some of my other plans: -Im going to Albuquerque and Tucson in May to tie up some loose ends from my past, and would love to stop and teach a workshop or two elsewhere in the Southwest, like Flagstaff or Phoenix or Silver City or Southern Colorado perhaps (won't go further than Albuquerque though this time around...) -I'm flying (ie no equipment, and therefore no classes) to the NBB meeting in Washington DC on July 12 and 13th, and a few of us are talking about having a small-scale commercial producers' dinner/get-together on one of the evenings during that meeting. I'll post details if this happens, and they will be discussed at www. groups.yahoo.com/group/local-b100-biz -Then I'm co-teaching at SEI (the incredible solar technology education center in Colorado, www.solarenergy.org I believe) with Martin of Boulder Biodiesel Coop in late July. This should be a great class- a five-day (?)biodiesel camp- and I'd also like to find a student who is going there who would like to build equipment as part of the class. Then I'm leaving from there and coming to the Midwest to do a tour in August (the options so far for me are madison, chicago, st louis, milwaukee possibly), and then I'd like to end up in North Carolina (asheville, boone? and Triangle area) for a few weeks (early september?) and therefore could swing up to Virginia someplace if there was interest for a class up there. The same deal applies as the Tucson class announcement: I can do a regular day-long (or longer minicourse) class in basics of biodiesel homebrewing, and if people think there is interest, I can do an equipment building class. I'm missing out on a job to do this in August (and my old truck is wearing out!), so I'd need to charge something for these classes, which is usually $20-$50 per student per day for the ones I do in California. (I run the pre-registration/advertising, and bring everything needed for the class, and I have to put in quite a few full days of prep for the equipment class especially). I can also (to afford this tour) simply build reactors for individuals who don't want to coordinate a class but are are 'along the route'. I've done a few of these already and I charge $200 labor, on top of your equipment costs. I think I'm bringing a small MIG welder with me on the August tour so some custom tank work is possible. I'll probably be traveling with another biodieseler or two but it won't be like inviting the whole Rainbow Family to your farm or anything scary. More on the Midwest stuff later as I make more firm plans. thank you everybody for the interest in this! mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Grahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee if you want to do one of those workshops in VA, we would volunteer! Caroline Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] wash tank
You can try Tractor Supply Co. or Farm Fleet.They are not on the net but they have various size poly containers for almost any purpose.Come to think of it I think Tractor Supply is on the net.Anyway,if you find their local phone no. they'll send you a free catalouge. Paul j_schearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know if anyone can direct me to a site where I can find a poly tank and possible stand for washing biodiesel. Do not have a lot of money to spend. Looking for 100 gal. or smaller. Any other suggestions are always welcomed. Thanks. Jonathan. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics
I'm not good at drawing pictures,only inferences. Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Drawing a blank here. Who is it that you are referring to? - Original Message - From: rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics Seems to me that one of the biggest zealots was put to death about this time of year a while back.Crazy thing was,he didn't do it for just a few.He did it for you too.There's nothing wrong about being passionate about what you do and believe in.Sharing it usually becomes part of the process.Otherwise we wouldn't be on this board.Share what you've discovered with others!Just don't shove it down their throat. Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yah...Zealots should scare just about anyone. But then again, I'll put a zealous Greanpeacer hanging from the anchor of an outgoing freight destined to dump its toxic waste in the North Sea over a RWASP (right-wing, anglo-saxon, protestant) hell bent on forcing the world to live by his or her code. One serves the broadest interests of humanity. The other only a narrow corridor. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics Further to which... http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18259 The Christian Taliban Best Keith Some really sick crap.. http://www.cdfe.org/ Pick a link. According to these asinigned zealots the sypmtoms are the cause of the disease. Some of them may be zealots, but I think most of them are just... damn, the term that's used is whores, but that's an abusive term for prostitutes and using it this way defames them: it implies dishonesty and carries contempt, which is unjust. Can't think of an apt term for these folks. Whores then, for now, with due reservation. Think I'd rather bed down with the Taliban. At least their doctrine has some assemblance of social order and construct other than exploiting anything and everything for a buck. There are terrorists and then there are terrorists. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy The Taliban is more honest - whatever their principles and actions might be (execrable in many ways), they at least hold to them because they believe in them, not because they're paid to. Though they did accept rather a lot of millions of dollars in US support... but you didn't see them spouting a lot of US propaganda as a result. I don't think they're any worse than Christian fundamentalist extremists or any other kind of fundamentalist extremists, maybe not as bad in some ways. (Keith supports Taliban! LOL!) Are the Taliban terrorists though? They did and do support Al-Qaeda, which is also a creation of US funding and support, and possibly more than that. The US is itelf a major supporter of terrorists, from the mujahideen to Fort Benning, and much more besides. (Ah, but they're *our* terrorists. For now maybe...) But I don't think the Taliban itself has been guilty of terrorism. Whereas the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise and its ilk... Since the late 1980's, CDFE has been at the center of the Wise Use movement. CDFE was originally founded by Alan Gottlieb July 4, 1976. The Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizen's Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms were founded at the same time, and CDFE is still affiliated with both gun groups. According to the New York Times, Gottlieb shifted his focus to environmentalism when he realized the fundraising potential. The New York Times wrote, For conservative fundraisers like Mr. Gottlieb, the enemies were Senator Edward M. Kennedy and the threat of gun control. But now Mr. Gottlieb has found a better target. 'For us' said Mr. Gottlieb...'the environmental movement has become the perfect bogeyman.' CDFE is a 501(c)3 tax-exempt organization. The Taliban are not whores. Are people like CDFE terrorists? I think so. This is terrorism: 12/19/03 BOOK REVIEWS Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death Read the rave reviews of Paul Driessen's new book that exposes the green racist agenda to withhold malaria control and life-saving GMO crops from Africa and other developing nations. A horrifying account of green genocide. Inasmuch as info-toxins like this convince the gullible, which clearly they do, people's lives and livelihoods are destroyed en masse. The malaria-control bit is pro-DDT, which is an environmental disaster - great stuff for small-farmer communities entirely dependent on a healthy and functioning ecology. The pro-DDT lobbying is helping to hold up research on far
Re: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics
Seems to me that one of the biggest zealots was put to death about this time of year a while back.Crazy thing was,he didn't do it for just a few.He did it for you too.There's nothing wrong about being passionate about what you do and believe in.Sharing it usually becomes part of the process.Otherwise we wouldn't be on this board.Share what you've discovered with others!Just don't shove it down their throat. Rico Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yah...Zealots should scare just about anyone. But then again, I'll put a zealous Greanpeacer hanging from the anchor of an outgoing freight destined to dump its toxic waste in the North Sea over a RWASP (right-wing, anglo-saxon, protestant) hell bent on forcing the world to live by his or her code. One serves the broadest interests of humanity. The other only a narrow corridor. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Corporate ethics Further to which... http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=18259 The Christian Taliban Best Keith Some really sick crap.. http://www.cdfe.org/ Pick a link. According to these asinigned zealots the sypmtoms are the cause of the disease. Some of them may be zealots, but I think most of them are just... damn, the term that's used is whores, but that's an abusive term for prostitutes and using it this way defames them: it implies dishonesty and carries contempt, which is unjust. Can't think of an apt term for these folks. Whores then, for now, with due reservation. Think I'd rather bed down with the Taliban. At least their doctrine has some assemblance of social order and construct other than exploiting anything and everything for a buck. There are terrorists and then there are terrorists. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy The Taliban is more honest - whatever their principles and actions might be (execrable in many ways), they at least hold to them because they believe in them, not because they're paid to. Though they did accept rather a lot of millions of dollars in US support... but you didn't see them spouting a lot of US propaganda as a result. I don't think they're any worse than Christian fundamentalist extremists or any other kind of fundamentalist extremists, maybe not as bad in some ways. (Keith supports Taliban! LOL!) Are the Taliban terrorists though? They did and do support Al-Qaeda, which is also a creation of US funding and support, and possibly more than that. The US is itelf a major supporter of terrorists, from the mujahideen to Fort Benning, and much more besides. (Ah, but they're *our* terrorists. For now maybe...) But I don't think the Taliban itself has been guilty of terrorism. Whereas the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise and its ilk... Since the late 1980's, CDFE has been at the center of the Wise Use movement. CDFE was originally founded by Alan Gottlieb July 4, 1976. The Second Amendment Foundation and the Citizen's Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms were founded at the same time, and CDFE is still affiliated with both gun groups. According to the New York Times, Gottlieb shifted his focus to environmentalism when he realized the fundraising potential. The New York Times wrote, For conservative fundraisers like Mr. Gottlieb, the enemies were Senator Edward M. Kennedy and the threat of gun control. But now Mr. Gottlieb has found a better target. 'For us' said Mr. Gottlieb...'the environmental movement has become the perfect bogeyman.' CDFE is a 501(c)3 tax-exempt organization. The Taliban are not whores. Are people like CDFE terrorists? I think so. This is terrorism: 12/19/03 BOOK REVIEWS Eco-Imperialism: Green Power, Black Death Read the rave reviews of Paul Driessen's new book that exposes the green racist agenda to withhold malaria control and life-saving GMO crops from Africa and other developing nations. A horrifying account of green genocide. Inasmuch as info-toxins like this convince the gullible, which clearly they do, people's lives and livelihoods are destroyed en masse. The malaria-control bit is pro-DDT, which is an environmental disaster - great stuff for small-farmer communities entirely dependent on a healthy and functioning ecology. The pro-DDT lobbying is helping to hold up research on far more promising solutions without the unacceptable costs, such as this, yesterday: http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/24455/story.htm Studies Show Promise in Fight Against Malaria I've got a whole file of stuff like that, and what's obvious is that not nearly enough funding is going into it, despite the huge death toll and its crippling effect - there's more money in DDT. Life-saving GMO crops? The Africans don't think so, and withstood immense US
Re: [biofuel] OT: More on Measuring Appliance Energy Use
Hey,back in the day you could order anew car with amotor minder.All it was,was a vacuum gauge connected directly to the intake manifold.The idea was to keep the arrow in the green area of the gauge,which was high vacuum.It worked pretty well in changing your driving habits if you watched it.I see no reason why you couldn't hook up some chart recorder to a vacuum soruce to monotor the same thing. Rico murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was discussing my home appliances and how much energy they use. But, as many already know, it's difficult to measure some of them because they don't come with meters which show their exact kW usage at any given time. For high energy use devices, such as refrigerators and water heaters, this could be very important toward an owner understanding their energy use. Understanding could, in turn, lead to better usage of those devices, or replacing of perniciously inefficient ones. Inclusion of some sort of power meter on home appliances could add cost to those devices, but I think some appliance-buyers might find this cost to be worth their while, particularly if electricity prices get higher. Also, if such measuring meters are included, they could be better-integrated with computerized-house-of-the-future plans, such as Microsoft sometimes tries to cook up. I have a hot water heater which tells me on its energy star label that it's going to use so many kWh per day that I won't repeat it because I can't quite believe I haven't misread something. Further, I don't know at all how much it's using because I have a solar water heating panel on the roof that works in a very passive way, just sort of supplementing whatever heating is there. So, going forward, it would be cool if our appliances were built to give us more feedback on what they're using. A sort of fuel-useage meter. Some of this might apply to cars, some not. They tell us how much fuel they have, and they sometimes have meters we don't care about, but they don't have a direct fuel-consumption-RATE meter. The exception to this seems to be the Insight and perhaps some of the other Hybrids and BEVs and FCHEVs that we've seen, in that some of them give some very straightforward feedback to the driver on realtime fuel consumption rates. I wonder what would happen if we did an experiment and equipped a conventional 4 cylinder stickshift gasoline-burning car with a fuel consumption rate meter and kept track of various drivers and whether changing this one variable caused them to drive with identifiably better mileage? On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:19:23 -0800, you wrote: Hi All, I am trying to find out what the American personal average use is for the following categories: Fuel oil/Gasoline Electricity Natural Gas Water The average includes all ages, all living conditions (houses, apartments, public transportation, etc.). The average is for personal use only, however, and does not take into account the energy or water needed to manufacture the material/consumer goods used or purchased by an individual. It only takes into account what is consumed in the home or apartment, or used for personal transportation. Do any of you know where I might find this information? Thanks Paul Scott 310-399-5997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Apprentiship
Please excuse my poor attempt at humor.As a yank our levity sometimes escapes others.I have enough elbow grease for myself and probably two others.I used to work in the steel industry as a millwright,so safety is always my number one concern.I live in a city environ now where even one small mistake may have major consequences for my neighbors.It was for this reason that I asked for help.As for finances,I work for a large restaurant chain.They currently pay to have their WVO taken away.They also run a fleet of diesel service vans.But thats just me trying to close the loop.When not working for them,I rehab houses and apartment buildings. Maybe your right,maybe I am out of elbow grease.Thank you for your help and response.Paul Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, Willing to borrow all you have? Sounds like a Rainbow to me. (Apologies to those not familiar to Rainbow culture in the U.S. [To be read What's mine is yours and what's yours is mine.And hey, bro...!!!Since I don't have anything, can I have everything you've got?] Doh!!! If, as you say, you learn best by hands on, might I and the rest of the list enjoin you to solicit your hardware store for a 1/4 pound of lye, a quart of methanol, as well as your grocer for a gallon of oil, and then put a little elbow grease into the works while you sip a pint of ale? Do that once successfully and you'll soon be progressing to a 55 gallon lot with zeal and relish. Todd Swearingen Appal Energy - Original Message - From: rico1954us [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: [biofuel] Apprentiship Hi, I'm a newbe and looking for some hands on training.I live in NW Indiana,near Chicago.I've been reading the messages and the pictures on the board.All are very helpful.Enough help in fact where I could see myself producing 50gal.of biodiesel along with a spectular light show for the neighborhood. I learn best by hands on.So,I'm looking for someone in striking distance,who is already producing.I would like to meet with them and go through the steps needed to make biodiesel.Money is no object as I am willing to borrow all you have. Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: gasoline
hi, part time racer here.drag racing has a whole class of cars and events that run on nothing but ethanol.they would probably would have no problem buying locally if they could be assured of a consistant product,free of any contaminnants,all across the country.to assure a level playing field.they usually pick one supplier at the start of the season and he supplies all races.if there is any cheating it can quickly found by comparing the supplied fuel with the racers sample. murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I particularly like getting these first-handed accounts. Me, I used to live in Califronia. Now I live in AZ. Tie-ing this in with the racing fuel discussion, with this handy list you provide of ethanol plants, it would be nice if a racing series would take a look at it, and, if some racing events are held not too far from ethanol production, they could make a point of using locally-made (locally-grown) fuel. This would put money back into the local economies, rather than sourcing all the fuel and the processing of it from out of state and perhaps out-of-country. This could also be done with electricity of course, as a racing fuel, for hybrid racers or EV racers. On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 14:04:09 -, you wrote: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What state? Did you say? Good ole Minnesota. Between Minnesota and Iowa, there is a lot of ethanol produced. The first ethanol plant I saw (and smelled) from a highway was in South Bend, Indiana about a decade ago. I figured Indiana would become a production leader, but I suspect state tax incentive policies don't promote it. Here is a listing of USA ethanol plants: http://www.distillersgrains.com/plantlisting.htm BTW, Iowa ethanol producers infrequently ship whole trainloads of the fuel to California, generally in 80 tank car lots. Ron B. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Clean oil technology
hi, i'm new to bio diesel,so i may be out of line jumping in here. i have an industrial hydraulics background and i am i am very familar with the process you are describing.one micron is very small.the average human hair is about forty microns in dia.what you need to find out is if the filter system is one micron nominal or absolute.noninal means the filter will trap down to thatsize but may let larger particles through.absolute means just that.nothing over one micron will ever get through. the rest of the system sounds very similar to a system we used to remove water from a unit that used silver plated aircraft bearings.it worked very well but the plates would sludge up and have to be cleaned. good luck Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A company in my part of the world, Clean oil technology, has just released a system comprising of a 1 micron filter and evaporator claiming to eliminate the need for oil changes. Well, the 1 micron got my curiosity as I am determined to to use wvo in a Lucas Cav pump and I visited their site: http://www.cot.se There is an installation pdf there which explaind how it all works. Since then I have been talking to Ronny Sëâerlund who is on the RD side. He is prepared to answere any questions (but please post copies to the list, so we can all share) if anyone wants to look into this. Oil gets to the evaporator/heater after the filter and is basically sprayed onto a 120á heating plate where moisture is evaporated it then trickles on. The system requires a pump and at 3 bar will give 27 litres per hour - enough I would think for most car applications. Now I don know what the Vormax filters down to or heats up to or indeed what it costs. This thing though doeas get down to 1 micron and heats to 120á - is this too much? Anyway I thought it looked quite interesting - I have no connection to COT I'm just curious. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Weapons of Mass Deception
Walt, being a Northerner I take exception to your comment about the millitaty industrial complex.Anyone knows they only work for those who hold the purse strings.And they still reside in Euroupe Paul Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:53 PM 2/23/04 +, someone lacking the stones to even sign his post wrote: I can see poker playin' Walt turning over command to his co-pilot, puttin' on his Stetson, stridin' past the bombadier to the hatch area, climbin' aboard the nuke and gettin' ready for judgement day. You're closer to the mark than you know. When my number came up in the draft, the government decided that because of my background in chemistry and physics, I should become one of the officers who activate tactical nukes in the field. As a result, I know first hand the soul searching that goes with that job. It's not something to make light of. Personally, I came to the conclusion that I couldn't trust the government to the degree necessary in order to be able to carry out an order to launch a nuke. In time, I was able to get a discharge, and left the country in order to help build a new one in the Caribbean. As an expatriot, I don't care who wins; I just think it's a shame they can't both lose. But what scares me more than the venality of the politicians on both sides of the isle is the inability of most people to look at the contest with any more insight than that exhibited by the World Wide Wrestling Federation's loyal viewers who have to paint everything in black and white, and how just can't seem to grasp the subtle concept of someone being an equal opportunity disbeliever. About 140 years ago, a group of federalists took over the government and waged a war of conquest which destroyed more than a million lives thereby establishing the principal of rule by conquest as the foundation for the federal government. If they could kill hundreds of thousands of Southrons, and they did, then it's not much of a stretch for them to continue on that path killing anyone else who gets in their way. I'm always bemused by Northerners who think that their side won that war; the winners were the military-industrial complex, which hasn't looked back since. I don't have a problem with folks who either support or oppose the current expedition on pragmatic grounds, since this is the sort of business which has been the focus of the federal government for more than a century. What does scare me is the folks who think it's morally okay for their side's President to blow people to pieces but somehow not okay for the other side's President to do the same. Those who were not publicly outraged over Clinton's pattern of bombing civilian targets should recognize that their silence opened this door, and to at least have the decency to not whine about Bush using the same justifications for following in Clinton's footsteps. These matters are way too serious for such partisan nonsense. Walt Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: The end of popular soverignty (was RE: [biofuel] RE: moral dilemma)
amen to that brother! paul Bryan Brah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're mad about the results of the 2000 election, you should be outraged at this revelation. We haven't had control of our government for a very long time. In 1912 former republican president Teddy Roosevelt was coaxed out of retirement to run as a Bull Moose and spoil the election for the incumbent republican president Taft thus giving the presidency to an unknown democrat named Woodrow Wilson. Under Wilson the 16th and 17th amendments to the constitution were forced through the legislature (creating the IRS, and changing the election of senators from the state legislatures to popular vote). Also passed under Woody was the Nelson Aldrich sponsored Federal Reserve Act (Aldrich was the republican whip in the Senate, Chairman of the National Monetary Commission, business associate of J.P. Morgan, father-in-law to John D. Rockefeller, Jr.). The Federal Reserve act was written in secret at Jekyll Island, Georgia by the leading industrial-capitalists of the time led by none other than Paul Warburg (Daddy Warbucks from Little Orphan Annie, a partner at Kuhn Loeb Company, and the first chairman of the Fed). The Federal Reserve Act effectively hijacked our national sovereignty by vesting control of our money supply in a private banking system owned by the Morgans and Rockefellers, and connected to Rothschilds. Since 1908, no president has been elected without their approval. Our ability to change the government has been drastically reduced and declines further still. Today, the only chance we have to affect change is on the local and state levels, before the candidates get co-opted and corrupted. Is there a correlation between the loss of popular sovereignty and the rise of the Federal Reserve Banking System? Is it mere coincidence that the federal debt is equal to the assets of the Federal Reserve member banks (and their subsidiary corporations)? Is it chance that these same corporate sponsors give huge sums of money to both parties, and the candidate with the most cash always wins? I suppose it doesn't matter that every president since Eisenhower regardless of his party affiliation has been a member of the CFR. On the other hand, this is all just a bunch of paranoid hooey. If we all just vote democrat in the next election, every thing will be hunky dory. Yeah right! -BRAH -Original Message- From: Tonya Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:58 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] RE: moral dilemma I think in time people will wake up to things like the skull and bones candidates, the republicrats are two sides on the same coin. I am a member of the constitution party. www.constitutionparty.com Start getting signatures to get someone moral on the ballot. I am new to the group and am just now trying to make biofuel. Im still getting the tools i need.Can anyone point me to the best place to get methanol or ethanol to use in the fuel? Thanks. Mike PS. see www.norfed.com to learn a little about why our system of currency will collapse. The dollar has lost 30% of its value in the last year. Ever since the Johnson admin. took all silver backing off of currency, he plunged america into an abyss of nonredeemable debt paper. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Weapons of Mass Deception
hi sad but all true.as an american I've seen this change coming for a long time.it was very subtle at first but as there became less and less resistance to the bullying,it became more open.it seems that people in this country have lost the stomach to fight for whats right.they say as long as I've got mine who cares about what happens to you.they don't realize that some day it will be them thats without,and there'll be no one to stand up for them. the corporations do because they can.they can because we let them. Paul doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the Biofuels list BECAUSE it has comments from all sides of the political spectrum. I am an Australian, and consider that of late, the Americans have become bullies: if you do not do as we say, we have the power to force you. Often this power is not the Armament might, but the voices from the American controlled Multi-national companies. Many of these companies have enough access to money, to be more powerful than many smaller countries. This power is used in insidious ways in weaker countries, to enable these companies to make more money at the plight of the poor. Unfortunately, America is not the only country that does this, as European nations, even some Asian nations also exploit. America, however, seems to be the flagship, being vocal aggressive, so America seems to be the country that repressed peoples rally against most. The US stance in the middle east, where the US ignores the fact that Israel has atomic WMD, but attacks others that it accuses of having WMD, but do not! If America was fair Just, it would help the Jews Arabs sort their differences, come to an equitable solution, disarm Israel before the Middle East blows up into another World War. All I want is a fair equitable system in the world where every person can live in peace harmony, no matter what religion. (Step off soapbox) Doug PS: I do not consider this email as being anti-US, as I am not. However I think that the US as a Christian Nation, should be more Christian in nature! (I am pointing at the system, not the individuals.) On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:24 am, Walt Patrick wrote: At 04:50 AM 2/25/04 +0900, Keith wrote: Politicians, right and left, lie. That's hardly news, and hardly likely to change unless conditions render them irrelevant. That's why I'm here on this list, to glean information which might help further that goal. It's becoming quite evident that other would rather pursue their paritsan agenda regardless of how many people it drives off-list. I'd like you to amplify that please. Please be specific, you've intimated something like this previously - who and what exactly are you talking about? And why do you think people are been driven off-list? Which people? Are you sure I'm the one you're thinking of? I believe that this is the first time I've raised the issue, but others have heretofore protested the abuse of the list and been essentially told point blank to shut up or leave. I can assure you that I've thought about unsubscribing more than once in the last few weeks due to the level of partisan hatred that's dominated the list of late. I come here to learn about biofuel, not to hear rants from folks who hate Bush but somehow fail to remember the thirty to forty thousand men, women and children who were infected with HIV and Hep-C by tainted blood drawn from Arkansas prisons and illegally sold in Canada in order to fund Clinton's run for the White House. I can't conceive how anyone could not be totally outraged over that. I think you're falling into your own trap of seeing things according to a partisan agenda, but in a different, much broader, and much more important sense, that goes much further than the national concerns of some among the minority American contingent here. Us and them, and you're not considering them, but them is the majority here, non-Americans of every ilk. You think your election only concerns Americans? It's not my election. I'm not a citizen. The actions of your current administration See above comment. have been the cause of the biggest protests worldwide and the most vocal and united opposition the world has ever seen, by a very long way, quite unprecedented. Not according to my reading of history, but even if it were true, I'm not particularly impressed by volume and quantity. You think it has nothing to do with biofuels and localising power sources? If so you're not thinking very clearly. Please don't mistake my focused interest in biofuel for a lack of interest in other matters, but meaning no offense, there are other lists which cover those topics with less vitriol and more insight than I've seen displayed here. Now please tell us just who and what you're pointing the finger at. Since you asked . You're the list owner, so I guess that would be
Re: [biofuel] Re: Weapons of Mass Deception
Hi Tonya, I'm a born again believer.Probably like millions of others in this country.I spent several years studying.I went from the extreme of drugs and drink to total piety.I have since struck a balance in my life.Things did go from so many shades of Grey to Crystal clarity.It sounds like its time to resume your journey. Paul Tonya Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldnt really call Bush hyper-religious. If he is a true Christian, he is an aweful one and must have his own 'special' bible. I can even guess who wrote his. Take care. Mike M. www.cpnc.info - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Click Here - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Global Warming
I wasn't refering to the reference ether.Iam also aware of some misleading statments in the article.But as Thomas Payne put it I will defend his right to make those mistakes.I live in a country that is being consumed by censorship in all venues.This may be the last place for free speech.It rankles me when anyone calls for restrictions on anyone's right to speak their mind. Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, I mean that the article that is on the 'The Nature Institute website, at: http://www.netfuture.org should be removed from public viewing. I do not mean that the reference you made to it should be removed. The article has far too many falsehoods. It confuses readers about facts that have already been established in climate science. Thanks for sharing your reference to the report with this group me. I would be interested in discussing this further, but only at the PC discussion group homepage at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Paleontology_and_Climate/ There is a comprehensive set of FOLDERS with links that can be accessed by members from the homepage at PC. You others with interest in climate change are welcome to join. Pat --- Pedro Victor Cuesta/LABEIN wrote: Look at this article: Water, Energy and Global Warming D'Aleo, M. and Edelglass, E. http://www.netfuture.org/ni/misc/pub/daleo/warm/warm.html#daleo Pedro Pedro, at your suggestion, I reviewed the article titled 'Water, Energy and Global Warming'. There are many false and misleading statements in the article, too numerous to address in a single reply. FALSE statements include: 1. 'The interior areas of the United States such as the Midwest Plains do not show warming, ...' 2. 'In sum, atmospheric warming -- the warming for which we currently have the clearest evidence -- is a local and regional phenomenon more than a global one, and it appears to be due more to human-caused energy production and water emissions than to carbon dioxide emissions.' I think the article should be removed from public viewing. Pat, manager of discussion group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Paleontology_and_Climate/ You think it should be removed from public viewing? Just what what I need,someone who thinks that I can't read two sides of an informed opnion and come to a logical concolusion. Lets throw a little censorship in here because we all know you could never make a mistake, given the verifiable facts you have in front of you.You should be ashamed of yourself! This is a discussion forum! Everyones ideas are welcome here.Take what you need and leave the rest.Tell them you disagree.But removing their ideas or opnions are not for you to call for! Paul The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Global Warming
Patrick Neuman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Pedro Victor Cuesta/LABEIN wrote: Look at this article: Water, Energy and Global Warming D'Aleo, M. and Edelglass, E. http://www.netfuture.org/ni/misc/pub/daleo/warm/warm.html#daleo Pedro Pedro, at your suggestion, I reviewed the article titled 'Water, Energy and Global Warming'. There are many false and misleading statements in the article, too numerous to address in a single reply. FALSE statements include: 1. 'The interior areas of the United States such as the Midwest Plains do not show warming, ...' 2. 'In sum, atmospheric warming -- the warming for which we currently have the clearest evidence -- is a local and regional phenomenon more than a global one, and it appears to be due more to human-caused energy production and water emissions than to carbon dioxide emissions.' I think the article should be removed from public viewing. Pat, manager of discussion group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Paleontology_and_Climate/ You think it should be removed from public viewing?Just what what I need,someone who thinks that I can't read two sides of an informed opnion and come to a logical concolusion.Lets throw a little censorship in here because we all know you could never make a mistake,given the verifiable facts you have in front of you.You should be ashamed of yourself!This is a discussion forum! Everyones ideas are welcome here.Take what you need and leave the rest.Tell them you disagree.But removing their ideas or opnions are not for you to call for! Paul Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Clean oil technology
hi, i'm new to bio diesel,so i may be out of line jumping in here. i have an industrial hydraulics background and i am i am very familar with the process you are describing.one micron is very small.the average human hair is about forty microns in dia.what you need to find out is if the filter system is one micron nominal or absolute.noninal means the filter will trap down to thatsize but may let larger particles through.absolute means just that.nothing over one micron will ever get through. the rest of the system sounds very similar to a system we used to remove water from a unit that used silver plated aircraft bearings.it worked very well but the plates would sludge up and have to be cleaned. good luck Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A company in my part of the world, Clean oil technology, has just released a system comprising of a 1 micron filter and evaporator claiming to eliminate the need for oil changes. Well, the 1 micron got my curiosity as I am determined to to use wvo in a Lucas Cav pump and I visited their site: http://www.cot.se There is an installation pdf there which explaind how it all works. Since then I have been talking to Ronny Sëâerlund who is on the RD side. He is prepared to answere any questions (but please post copies to the list, so we can all share) if anyone wants to look into this. Oil gets to the evaporator/heater after the filter and is basically sprayed onto a 120á heating plate where moisture is evaporated it then trickles on. The system requires a pump and at 3 bar will give 27 litres per hour - enough I would think for most car applications. Now I don know what the Vormax filters down to or heats up to or indeed what it costs. This thing though doeas get down to 1 micron and heats to 120á - is this too much? Anyway I thought it looked quite interesting - I have no connection to COT I'm just curious. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] some do work
murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I'd love to know, also, if this one works (or doesn't) for anyone here: http://www.directhits.com/default.asp Looks like it only applies to cars that use spark plugs. I think it's a bit pricey. Years ago I lost money investing in the company, but the technology itself and the guy behind it seem to persist. The testimonial page seems a bit convincing, though there aren't many from the last year. On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 19:14:31 EST, you wrote: I have tried two add-on gadgets that did not show any improvement.eagle-research.com has several things that i have not tried that they claim enhances fuel economy,plus they are selling a brown's gas welding unit that i want to discuss with two pro welder friends of mine. Back in '70,when i was buick lead counter parts man we had a rich oil man customer who had a lot of vehicles.he had a '69 pontiac bonneville wagon with a 455 engine that got 11 mpg on interstate at 70 mph.He kept his old car and ordered a 70 model identical to the 69,picking it up as it got off the transport hauler.he drove it a few days and the fuel gauge barely moved.he was going to carry it back to the pontiac folks,but decided to pop the hood for a look-see first.he immediately brought it down to us buick guys for a check out.Pontiac had let it get out of the plant with an experimental carb on it.we got a one gallon jug of gas plumbed to the fuel pump,six of us jumped in and hit i-20.the car got 36 mpg,we figered,as aposed to 11 mpg on identical cars.gm tried to get the unit back several different ways without sucess.there were several inventors back them promoting systems getting great gas mileage,but the establishment has bought them out or killed them as was done to a newman or newsom guy promoting an 80 mpg,large american v8 auto.happy hunting i, i'm new to the group but have been around cars awhile.In answer to your question about the spark plugs the answer is maybe.Any car can benifit from alonger,hotter burning spark.However to get the maximum benifit you have to start tinkering with other settings such as timing,fuel curve and the like.The person to see the most increase would probably be someone who already is a conserviative driver.Someone like me would never see a milage increase due to the weight of my right foot.The mfg. will no doubt be able to proove a milage increase,but real world gains would be marginal at best.I could probably match or exceed their claims and increase my tire life to boot just by keeping my car tires inflated to 45psi.at all times.There are some winners out there,but these aren't them rico Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
