[Biofuel] alcohol stove
Do any of you have experience with this simply made alcohol stove for cooking? A simple-to-make, hot-burning, backcountry stove The Super Cat Alcohol Stove By Jim Wood http://jwbasecamp.com/Articles/SuperCat/index.html Originally published January 29, 2005 Major update November 18, 2008 Last revised May 21, 2010 Printable PDF version available here (1.2mb) Some videos I found interesting -- Ultra-light alcohol stove 6:17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHzZS7ZHITU Super Cat Alcohol stove demo 9:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz18thLHFT0 Super Cat Stove 9:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izDn4LB4s8I -Hoagy ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Alcohol Can Be a Gas! - review
David Blume's Alcohol Can Be a Gas! - Fueling an Ethanol Revolution for the 21st Century, Foreword by R. Buckminster Fuller, International Institute for Ecological Agriculture, California, 2007 http://www.alcoholcanbeagas.com?bid=2aid=CD99opt= When David Blume emailed me about reviewing his new book he said: It's destined to be considered the bible of small to medium scale alcohol production, and I thought uh-huh, heard that a few times before. But he could afford to boast: it IS the bible of small to medium scale alcohol production. Not only that, Blume's managed to give it such sheer sweep that it's become a little difficult to discuss just about any biofuels production in depth, alcohol or other, without taking some account of his book. You might not agree with everything he says, about Peak Oil perhaps, or maybe about subsidies and tax incentives, or the evil antics of MegaOilron (Big Oil et al), or maybe vegetarianism. But it's all pertinent - Blume isn't short on opinion, but he isn't short on straight facts either, nor on context and background. He's pushed the whole issue a few steps forward. Alcohol fuel (ethanol) is supposedly for gasoline engines, not diesels, but if you have a diesel you'll find the book very informative. Informative too if you're a biodieseler, or if you use SVO, or if your interest is biogas, or microturbine cogeneration. But the main focus is on fuel ethanol as an alternative to gasoline, and with ethanol and other biofuels right in the thick of the raging worldwide row over soaring food prices (and oil prices), largely in the role of scapegoat, Blume's contribution is substantial and timely. Chapter 2 is titled Busting the myths, and Blume does a good job of it, including the Food vs fuel myth, and he gets it right. The myth-busting doesn't stop there though, the book is peppered with it. For instance, everyone knows you can't run an ordinary car on E-85 fuel (85% ethanol 15% gasoline) without converting the engine first unless it's a special flexible-fuel vehicle, right? Blume might change your mind about that, in a thorough and detailed treatment of the real options of using alcohol as fuel. Blume has been working with alcohol fuel for 30 years and he brings a wealth of in-depth information and direct experience to the subject. He wrote the first version of this book in 1983. His account of why it wasn't published then (in spite of a contract) makes a good read, and helps explain his very obvious lack of affection for MegaOilron, apart from all the usual good reasons (he has those too, it's not just spleen). This new version of the book is a complete rework and a major expansion of the original. Blume raised $250,000 to finance the project (no corporate funding) and spent four years researching it full-time, working with many other people on the project and travelling extensively for on-the-ground investigations, not only in the US but also in Brazil and India. The result is a big book, 594 big pages, with loads of photographs, illustrations, diagrams, charts and tables, and packed with information. Actually it's six books in one. Book 1, Understanding Alcohol: Visions and Solutions, covers the history and busts the major myths, along with a chapter on the permaculture approach (Blume's an organic farmer, which helps a lot, he makes essential connections that many others fail to see), another chapter on nasties like tarsands, oil shale, nukes and so on, and a whole chapter on developments in Brazil. Books 2, 3 and 4 cover the nuts and bolts of making alcohol, handling the co-products, and using the fuel - detailed coverage, good information on all aspects of distillation, thorough treatment of feedstocks, good on integrated systems for co-products use, detailed information on engine conversion, including two case-study conversions. Book 5 is The Business of Alcohol: Hands-On Advice, Book 6 is A Vision for the Nation. Plus appendices, a useful 22-page glossary, and, mercifully, a good index (21 pages). The main focus of the book is on the US but it's not just for Americans, it's for anyone really. There's a lot of it, but it isn't a difficult read, Blume's a clear writer with a breezy style and the advantage of someone who really knows his subject. Blume describes the book at the beginning as a complete tool kit to revolutionize our transportation energy system, combining a broad, sweeping vision with intricate detail, and indeed it does that. He says: This book is not about providing unlimited clean fuels for SUVs. It's about shaping energy policy now with our own individual and group actions, to make sure the energy future we get is the one we want and not the one the Oilygarchy is planning for us. This book ... puts both the power and the responsibility for implementing the solution in the hands of ordinary people, working together at the local level. We've been saying things like that here
[Biofuel] Alcohol
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[Biofuel] alcohol to make bd
Can Isopropyl alcohol be used to make bd in place of ethanol or methanol? I am not a chemist, but I thought alcohol was alcohol. I know that there has to be some difference between them all, but isopropyl alcohol is about $4/gal vs $6-8/gal for methanol here in Myrtle Beach. Just wanted to know if it was worth exploring. Thanks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] alcohol to make bd
no on two counts. because isopropanol is a bigger molecule, you will need to use more of it, thus negating the cost advantage, and more importantly, NaOH or KOH will not work as a catalyst. (its a pKa thing) Raymond Skiba wrote: Can Isopropyl alcohol be used to make bd in place of ethanol or methanol? I am not a chemist, but I thought alcohol was alcohol. I know that there has to be some difference between them all, but isopropyl alcohol is about $4/gal vs $6-8/gal for methanol here in Myrtle Beach. Just wanted to know if it was worth exploring. Thanks ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] alcohol stoves
I would like to run a still using alcohol as the fuel source. Where can I find information on making large alcohol burners. I have found information on small pocket stoves but nothing big. Seems we should be able to run on what we make rather than buy fuel to make fuel. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] alcohol stoves
Use the sun or a non liquid fuel that is of lesser value. Wood is not as useful for motor fuel as alcohol for example. Larry Pickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to run a still using alcohol as the fuel source. Where can I find information on making large alcohol burners. I have found information on small pocket stoves but nothing big. Seems we should be able to run on what we make rather than buy fuel to make fuel. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] alcohol stoves
Try a marine supply store. Alcohol is a common fuel in the galley of pleaure boats. We had one aboard our sailboat. They are extremely safe (compared to propane). Ours was a two burner model, but they also make a one burner model also. Ours was made by ORIGO and is sold by West Marine. Walt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Pickens Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 4:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] alcohol stoves I would like to run a still using alcohol as the fuel source. Where can I find information on making large alcohol burners. I have found information on small pocket stoves but nothing big. Seems we should be able to run on what we make rather than buy fuel to make fuel. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] alcohol by freezing the mash
COOL!! It is -10F below outside right now. I could be making hooch, I mean fuel, with zero energy input; sweet. Mike Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:39:36 -0500 From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Producing ethanol for fuel use To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original While having a chat with our local organic farmer it was disclosed that it is possible to make food grade ethanol (vodka) from the fermentation process without a still by simpy allowing the natural fermentation to occur and then bringing he mix to well below freezing temperatures where the water will solidify but the alcohol won't. Granted this could produce some inetresting alcohol for tinctures or other medicinal purposes, but what if you take this same principle and then run the high water content ethanol that is produced this way through a simple condenser a la glycerine recovery system? Wouldn't the alcohol/ethanol still evaporate at a much lower temp than the water and thereby dewater the ethanol which would be captured in a jug or recepticle of some sort ? I know not much of these things, however from what I have gathered wouldn't this be a possibility ? Thanks for reading. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] alcohol by freezing the mash
on 12/22/04 7:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COOL!! It is -10F below outside right now. I could be making hooch, I mean fuel, with zero energy input; sweet. IIRC, apple jack is only about 30% alcohol (at best double the concentration of the fermented wort). Freeze distillation may require many steps (with proportionate losses at each step) to achieve fuel-grade concentration -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] alcohol by freezing the mash
The ethanol seperation using freezing method need to consider comparative energy analysis for any novel process sythesis. Eventhough the freezing method seem to be simple can be easily coupled with solar energy via heatpump , you need to freeze a large amounto of water and hence envolve a higher energy output. Glycerol can be used to break water and ethanol mixture. hower need more energy input too to seperate agin the same. In this context I feel seletive solvent extraction of only ethanol using castor oil and then evaporate ethanol appear better approach to get pure etthanol as oulines in the biofuel archieves Yet few study are made to make this one as an practical approach as detailed data are needed. Yours truley P.V.Pannirselvam --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: COOL!! It is -10F below outside right now. I could be making hooch, I mean fuel, with zero energy input; sweet. Mike Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:39:36 -0500 From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Producing ethanol for fuel use To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original While having a chat with our local organic farmer it was disclosed that it is possible to make food grade ethanol (vodka) from the fermentation process without a still by simpy allowing the natural fermentation to occur and then bringing he mix to well below freezing temperatures where the water will solidify but the alcohol won't. Granted this could produce some inetresting alcohol for tinctures or other medicinal purposes, but what if you take this same principle and then run the high water content ethanol that is produced this way through a simple condenser a la glycerine recovery system? Wouldn't the alcohol/ethanol still evaporate at a much lower temp than the water and thereby dewater the ethanol which would be captured in a jug or recepticle of some sort ? I know not much of these things, however from what I have gathered wouldn't this be a possibility ? Thanks for reading. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] alcohol fuel cell goes micro
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[Biofuel] alcohol fuel
Gooday. Can anyone assist me with some plans for a small backyard still that I can manufacture. Also the simple principles of the procedure of manufacturing alcohol fuel. I am conversant with the conventional method of alcohol manufacture, but I understand that there are some details that are different with this type of still. Any and all advice would be welcome. Thanks efwico ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] alcohol fuel
Can anyone assist me with some plans for a small backyard still that I can manufacture. Also the simple principles of the procedure of manufacturing alcohol fuel. I am conversant with the conventional method of alcohol manufacture, but I understand that there are some details that are different with this type of still. Any and all advice would be welcome. Thanks efwico Two links on the list's home page: Biofuels Library http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Ethanol http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html Should be everything you need, especially here (including still designs): Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#ME And here: The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#alcmanual Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol as a motor fuel and going to Jail
pan ruti wrote: You need not worry about going to jail because you make alcohol eventhouh it is strictly prohibited by several countries.For sustainable own use , with own risk one can make alcohol in a small scale as same as the bodiesel.Making one energy is the fundamental right of any human being provided , the same do not cause any damage any one and environments.If you make ethanol in Brasil every one will admire you , surley no one , even the judge will surley feel sorry to put you in jail as he too depend this fuel to do his work I would be very careful with this kind of advice. Here in Canada, for instance, it remains ILLEGAL to distill ethanol without a government permit. These permits are issued strictly for businesses, not for individuals, and if a person is caught distilling ethanol, the government has a right to confiscate the property upon which the illicit distilling took place. This seems like a pretty quick way to end up homeless. . . We are pleased to invite you here brasil if this the case there that you will go to jail, as we need inovative person like you here with a vast land unutilised, and surely can have legal fight to allow you to do your good work here if you need. You make me smile! My mother came from Minas Gerais, and my father from Rio Grande do Sul. Brasil is a large and beautiful country with many advantages in its favor. However, most of the people in my family seem eager to immigrate to North America because they perceive we have better opportunities up here. (This is a shame, because Brasil needs its intelligent, educated people.) We live in a very strange world, don't we! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol as a motor fuel and going to Jail
Hello Robert luis Thank you for your observation.Unfortunately ,we live in a very strange world.I agree with you that Brazil is strange and different than U.S.A needs investment in education and intelligent people.The present Brazil is changing slowly especially the area in the Amazonian as well as east central part with the large agricultural project of soybeans and cotton developing economy and work for the people, Brazil as the first time has own against the shameful ways the developed countries huge financial support for their big landowners protecting them and also the heavy tax for the products from less developed countries.For example in north east of Brazil it is possible grow shrimp through out the year and higher productivities than Canada and USA in winter , thus all America can benefit by this rich biodiversity , no need to import from far Asian countries as this very cheap.What about the quality of the food the people eat.May it is good ecologically the people migrate in winter holidays in Northeast like the birds.This can be more economical for North American consumers as well as for Brazil. Using anti dumping and other ways the tax have been raised too a high level for several products from Brazil to destroy it to protect the national one..Who is losing., not only the Brazil.The consumers , several shrimp processing industry in developed countries and economy too. This type of globalization is really shamefully. I am very sorry that you understood that I gave advice.I am sorry that I am not advising him to make illegal distillery unit, but made suggestion to do it legally with his advocate.and surely make an quick way to solve the problems of the the people who live along with him.Why not ?.If not this possible , let us think to make law modified for the people by the people.The local politics and governments are there for local people developments, democracy, environmental protection.In this respect .Brazil is going slowly well , not following the the shameful way of doing quick way globalization for only fews increasing the gap between rich and middle class. It is really shame so many people more than several thousands living in dark, do not know what is Electricity here not only in Brazil and several part of the world.Where as in developed country , consuming more , increasing the temperature all paying the same price for the energy any where as they have power to get and distribute it.As you know no one is there to help rural mass, especially in Brazil, all living city in the beach areas.How is possible survival the whole with out care for lands , food and energy production.As you pointed out the government not only have the rights to put the jail , but they have also need to feed the person in the jail.In Brazil as there is no place in jail and also good food they give , criminals are increasing too, now government plan to Find way to minimize the jail period. Robert, make a visit to Brazil the changing one , surly you can see the old suffering and shame all is slowly changing as the energy is made available, will be surprise to see the change, yet vast maior population do sufers a lot The vast nature with highest biodiversity is going to make this country number 1 , not only in the biomass energy field, but also develop a new agribusiness model for the world , the homeless quickly become cooperatives to take care of the uncared lands.This change does make conflicts , fights but the vast lands do not need the blood of the people , but the care.Surely your grand daughter and your family , the educated and intelligent people will have the friendly welcome and will have the good right place here to come back as you are all the son of the soil Brazil ,Brazilian have the Friendly Culture and Brazil can allow two citizenship and you can transfer the good biofuel technolgy of the Brazil Brazilian farmer , overgrowing student young entrepreneurs, politicians , industrialist now believe in biodiesel, unlike earlier pro alcohol national programme as the new hope for the green future.The debate here is in the level of the small farmer , cooperatives , municipalities is very slow unlike Germany plan OF B100, Brazil start with 5 %, then 10% as they have made motor with ethanol only .Surely the information flow made possible like our Biofuel group members can accelerate and speed this slow change as technological innovations are given important and considered as the base for the developments in the underdeveloped areas. Thanking again sd Pannirselvam P.V robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pan ruti wrote: You need not worry about going to jail because you make alcohol eventhouh it is strictly prohibited by several countries.For sustainable own use , with own risk one can
[biofuel] Alcohol as a motor fuel
What sorts of materials can be used to make homemade alcohol as a motor fuel? Besides the typical stuff like fruit, corn, grains, potatoes? I know the material has to have so much sugar or starch content but is this just limitied to edible foods? Could a person use grass clippings? Seriously? Since I have to mow my yard anyway why not bag the clippings and turn it back into fuel? I've got an idea how wood alcohol is produced by heating it and distilling the vapors but can you soak it in warm water like you would grain and make it that way? My father does woodworking and generates ALLOT of sawdust and wood shavings. I'm looking for something that requires little maintence to plant and harvest. So far it sounds to me like the best item to use would be fruit from fruit trees. I have some land I could plant an ochard. Also looks like fruit like apples would work best since the bees do all the work and the apples have allot of sugar content. Of course you have to pick them up. But unlike grains and potatoes, this wouldn't require using a tractor (burning fuel) to produce it. Other than doing it by hand. Once I harvest the apples, then how do you turn it into alcohol? I haven't found much info on this. I suppose since this is sort of illegal. Are you suppose to mix it with bread yeast or does will the mash ferment on it's own? As far as distilling is concerned. My idea would be to use a glass vinegar jug, mount a fitting in the metal cap, use some copper tubing and make my own still. Then use a hotplate as a burner. If I want to get really technical, I could make one using trays which will increase the content without having to refine it. And finally. Can you get a permit for this so I don't goto jail? How much trouble is this? Or as long as I don't get too carried away just don't tell anybody what I'm doing? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol as a motor fuel
Hello jseabolt2002 You need to do some studying. You've come to the right place though. First, wood alcohol is methanol, not ethanol, and there's no satisfactory way of producing it efficiently at the back-yard level (as yet). You can make ethanol from cellulose (such as wood chips), but again it's not very efficient. You'll find more information on this at the resources I've listed below. Stick to starch and sugar crops. Starch crops need conversion to sugar (via an enzyme), and the sugar then needs fermenting by yeast to produce ethanol, which will then have to be distilled. There are full instructions for this, plus still plans, in the resources below, as well as answers to all your other questions. But there's a lot to learn, it's more than a five-minute job. Start here: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol.html Ethanol: Journey to Forever Then here: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html Ethanol resources on the Web And then here: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Biofuels Library Especially these: Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel Convert Your Car to Alcohol Fuel From Sawdust There's also a lot of info here (search): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Best wishes Keith What sorts of materials can be used to make homemade alcohol as a motor fuel? Besides the typical stuff like fruit, corn, grains, potatoes? I know the material has to have so much sugar or starch content but is this just limitied to edible foods? Could a person use grass clippings? Seriously? Since I have to mow my yard anyway why not bag the clippings and turn it back into fuel? I've got an idea how wood alcohol is produced by heating it and distilling the vapors but can you soak it in warm water like you would grain and make it that way? My father does woodworking and generates ALLOT of sawdust and wood shavings. I'm looking for something that requires little maintence to plant and harvest. So far it sounds to me like the best item to use would be fruit from fruit trees. I have some land I could plant an ochard. Also looks like fruit like apples would work best since the bees do all the work and the apples have allot of sugar content. Of course you have to pick them up. But unlike grains and potatoes, this wouldn't require using a tractor (burning fuel) to produce it. Other than doing it by hand. Once I harvest the apples, then how do you turn it into alcohol? I haven't found much info on this. I suppose since this is sort of illegal. Are you suppose to mix it with bread yeast or does will the mash ferment on it's own? As far as distilling is concerned. My idea would be to use a glass vinegar jug, mount a fitting in the metal cap, use some copper tubing and make my own still. Then use a hotplate as a burner. If I want to get really technical, I could make one using trays which will increase the content without having to refine it. And finally. Can you get a permit for this so I don't goto jail? How much trouble is this? Or as long as I don't get too carried away just don't tell anybody what I'm doing? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol as a motor fuel and going to Jail
Hello Jseabolt Unlike corn grains ,potatoes, grass contains cellulose and lognin as cement making grass and wood much strong and hence to process and make sugar for ethanol production So far few anaerobic bacterias that can make alcohol directly from celluloses are isolated.Genetically modified bacterias are also attempted.Yet they cant attack easily lignocellulosics and not effiecient like alcohol yeast. Wood alcohol is called methanol obtianed buy direct destructive distillation of lignocelulosics, but ethanol is obtained form sugar by fermentation , then distillation. Several problems need to be solved to make sugar from celluosics , see my earlier posting here about lignocellulosics You need not worry about going to jail because you make alcohol eventhouh it is strictly prohibited by several countries.For sustainable own use , with own risk one can make alcohol in a small scale as same as the bodiesel.Making one energy is the fundamental right of any human being provided , the same do not cause any damage any one and environments.If you make ethanol in Brasil every one will admire you , surley no one , even the judge will surley feel sorry to put you in jail as he too depend this fuel to do his work Here in Brazil very rarely in remote area, the alcohol is made in small scale level and used in the car for local use farmer use eventhough this is illegal but sustainable only way the farmer can survive. Where there is no energy at all and no one will go to jail as this too need energy too much..After all, the laws are made by us to do things for us . Inside your small farm you can do things on your own risk and problem surely may arise if you do on a commercial scale that need go by technical specifications strictly. In most of the world no one will go to jail because they make alcohol for drinking , making money and spoiling the environment and health . I believe too if you have good advocate you can win and not go to jail as you are solving your energy problems with your little resources.We are pleased to invite you here brasil if this the case there that you will go to jail, as we need inovative person like you here with a vast land unutilised, and surely can have legal fight to allow you to do your good work here if you need. We have litlle studied the viability of fast rapid growing Elephant grass grown on treated sewage (800) ton /ha/year that can give the highest quantity of plant protein and biomass to make alcohol and animal feed using celluase enzyme recovery. With out financial suport , we are not able to continue this important study. In this context help is welcome to make joint research work as now we have good network Small scale decentralized Grass biomass project is yet in design stage , economic viability depend the place that need to be well studied as the technology is not proven nd mature.However your idea is good and surely became reality when the gasoline is no more , surly , the alcohol , biogas and bodiesel will make us survive in a sustainable way.These three biofuel can be produced in a integrated way in a small scale farm. We have list members , experts , researchers in this group , but some one like you or the king of biomass from France need to do the Kraft work based on the information here , otherwise the result can be bad, time and money all are wasted. I have a lot of hope and wish you the best success in your effort to understand and work in this field of ethanol from biomass.The next rich king of the biomass will be the one who can make ethanol from cellulosic biomass in a simple way as the way you think too.Unfortunately the way known upto now is very complex .but surely there can be a simple way too. Please feel free to contact all us and the list members of the group to go ahead your work as this is the one of the best place you any one from any place can find the information and the best people well organized in a net with well coordinated scientific and technological information all in one place. I think that the biofuel list members are like Cart , but the main Engine , the bull who make the group very dynamic and moving the bullock cart here, in the the real world against the great big blue stones is very hard task .Even though several stones are thrown on our group, our beloved leader KEITH is really doing hard work. Therefore may not be correct call him as merely as the coordinator of our list , surely correct call him as Our true GURU of Biofuel for all dedicated mainly for small farmer throught the world , the rich , the poor , the north , south ,east and west so that simple person like you can have the access the information from the people from university like me .Thus we here all wish you to make your energy and power
[biofuel] Alcohol fuel stoves...
Some rather unique camping stoves that run on alcohol. http://art.simon.tripod.com/Stoves/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alcohol
x-charset ISO-8859-1I'm just trying to understand the process of making ethanol from wood. What will be in the liquid once the wood is broken down and fermented? Water and a bunch of different alcohols, right? Is it possible to predict how much of each alcohol there is? Is there anything else? Thanks. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ /x-charset
[biofuel] alcohol sawdust
We are in the rural area of south africa and want to make alcohol from sawdust (lots of sawdust for the asking) We need detailed instructions on how to do this, no knowledge regarding this process except what we have read. could someone out there please assist? THank You. Theo Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] alcohol sawdust
We are in the rural area of south africa and want to make alcohol from sawdust (lots of sawdust for the asking) We need detailed instructions on how to do this, no knowledge regarding this process except what we have read. could someone out there please assist? THank You. Theo Hello Theo Have you read this? Fuel From Sawdust http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#sawdust Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol equipment
Dear Bratt: The sites you suggested are really loaded with very useful information. Thanks very much for the tips. With best regards, Luis R. Calzadilla [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: bratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Waste Oil Heater There are a number of New Zealand companies which sell equipment that could be used to produce small quantities of alcohol fuel, for experimental purposes, and they do sell to Australia. You should be able to buy one locally from a plumbing supply, or hardware. One that has immersion heaters is http://www.spiritsunlimited.co.nz/ Some other links are at http://www.homedistiller.org/links.htm EdB Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] alcohol from wood
Came across this brief reference. Kirk 66. The Manufacture of Ethyl (Grain) Alcohol from Wood.- Wood is composed mostly of the same elements as sugar, namely, carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen, only in different proportions. By treating the finely divided wood with dilute acids it is converted partly into sugars some of which are fermentable by yeast under certain conditions, producing ethyl alcohol identical with that derived from the fermentation of grain, fruit, or molasses. One ton of dry sawdust will yield from 15 to 25 gallons of 95 per cent alcohol. The process of producing ethyl alcohol from wood consists in general of digesting the sawdust, or hogged and shredded waste, with dilute sulphuric acid at a steam pressure of from 115 to 120 pounds for a short time. This is done in rotary digesters which will thoroughly mix the acid and wood. These digesters are of steel boiler plate with an acid-proof lining. A part of the wood is converted into a mixture of sugars, some of which are fermentable. The digested material is next transferred to a diffusion battery, similar to that used in the extraction of sugar from sugar beets or dyes from dye-wood, and here the sugar and other water- soluble material are extracted with hot water from the digested sawdust. The extract is then neutralized with lime or limestone, and the sludge formed by the calcium sulphate and some of the dust carried in the extract is allowed to settle out, which requires ordinarily from 15 to 20 hours. The clear solutions are then drained off and cooled to the proper temperature for fermentation. The manufacture of ethyl alcohol from wood is a comparatively young industry. Under favorable conditions it is a profitable means for the disposal of wood waste. THE PROPERTIES AND USES OF WOOD PREPARED IN THE EXTENSION DIVISION OF THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN BY ARTHUR KOEHLER, B. S., Lecturer in Forest Products, The University of Wisconsin and in Charge of Office of Wood Technology, Forest Products Laboratory, United States Forest Service 1924 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 6/13/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alcohol question in making Biodiesel.
In making Biodiesel, if someone uses methanol, it does not have to be water free, but if you use ethanol, it has to be water free correct? Greg H. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol question in making Biodiesel.
- Original Message - From: Ken Provost om Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 13:11 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol question in making Biodiesel. To be totally exact, neither of them has to be water-free. It's just that methanol, being a much stronger acid than ethanol, is less sensitive to water. (ie, it makes methoxide much more readily than ethanol makes ethoxide). Methanol can have a few percent of water and still work, whereas ethanol should have no more than a few tenths of a percent. By using a combination of ethanol and methanol, you can achieve a level of water-sensitivity somewhere between the two. Ok, that is basicly were I was going with this, useing a small amount of methanol to make useing the ethanol easier to use. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol question in making Biodiesel.
Ok, that is basicly were I was going with this, useing a small amount of methanol to make useing the ethanol easier to use. Yup, it works. For oil above a titer of 2.5 ml or so (of 0.1% NaOH), I do a caustic refining step. For oil between 1.0 and 2.5, I use a mix of 3 parts ethanol to 1 part methanol. Below 1.0 I use a 7-to-1 mix. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vf6MrB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alcohol from Apples - any advice?
Hi guys, Fairly new to the list, and quite interested in making some biofuel for my motorbike. This year APPLES have grown particularly well in northern Europe, and as such they are not getting a good retail price, and some people have not even bothered to pick them. As both myself and my uncle grow apples, I was thinking about using them to make alcohol fuel. I don't find many references on the biofuel websites to fruit, so I wonder whether any one else uses them. Does anyone have any experience with apples? Is it just a matter if making cider, and then distilling it? Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks, Simon Brussels, Belgium. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol from Apples - any advice?
Check out the Alcohol Fuel Manual http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html Apples are discussed specifically under Saccharine Materials. Hope you have a few tonnes! :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol from Apples - any advice?
Hi guys, Fairly new to the list, and quite interested in making some biofuel for my motorbike. This year APPLES have grown particularly well in northern Europe, and as such they are not getting a good retail price, and some people have not even bothered to pick them. As both myself and my uncle grow apples, I was thinking about using them to make alcohol fuel. I don't find many references on the biofuel websites to fruit, so I wonder whether any one else uses them. Does anyone have any experience with apples? Is it just a matter if making cider, and then distilling it? Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks, Simon Brussels, Belgium. The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html Especially Chapter 10 INDIVIDUAL RAW MATERIALS - See Fruits Also plenty of information in Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/meToC.html Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol from Apples - any advice?
in Florida, a guy uses waste citrus fruit to good effect Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: Simon Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: [biofuel] Alcohol from Apples - any advice? Hi guys, Fairly new to the list, and quite interested in making some biofuel for my motorbike. This year APPLES have grown particularly well in northern Europe, and as such they are not getting a good retail price, and some people have not even bothered to pick them. As both myself and my uncle grow apples, I was thinking about using them to make alcohol fuel. I don't find many references on the biofuel websites to fruit, so I wonder whether any one else uses them. Does anyone have any experience with apples? Is it just a matter if making cider, and then distilling it? Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks, Simon Brussels, Belgium. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alcohol fuel still plans and designs
Alcohol fuel still plans and designs Final four chapters of the MOTHER EARTH Alcohol Fuel Manual uploaded to the Biofuels Library: Chapter 7 How the Distillation Process Works Packed Column Perforated Plate Bubble Cap Plate Solar Stills The Reasoning Behind MOTHER's Still Design Still Operation Making Your First Run Economizing Your Alcohol Production Chapter 8 Six-Inch Column Still Plans Three-Inch Column Still Plans Bill of Materials Chapter 9 Two Low-cost Backyard Stills MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater - plans and instructions See Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/meToC. html See also The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual_ToC.html - and other resources at the Biofuels Library: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alcohol from Waste Paper?
Some tantalizing words from How to Make your Own Alcohol Fuels, by Larry W. Carley (2nd Ed: Tab Books, 1981): Starches and cellulose can be broken down by acid hydrolysis or enzyme hydrolysis. With acid hydrolysis, the feedstock material is ground up and mixed with a dilute acid solution to form a slurry. The acid then attacks the chemical bonds that hold the starch or cellulose molecule together, breaking the molecules apart and thereby freeing the simple sugars into solution. The sugar can then be fermented and made into alcohol. In commercial applications, the raw feedstock is ground up and mixed with water in a ratio of about 10 parts liquid to 1 part solid. The slurry is then mixed with an 8 percent to 10 percent weak acid solution and cooked under pressure at about 360 degrees F to 440 degrees F. The result, in the case of scrap paper, is conversion of about 80 percent of the cellulose into fermentable sugar. This process has proven itself to be practical and economical in large-scale applications... No references, of course. Anybody know what process he's referring to? Marc de Piolenc Iligan Philippines Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol from Waste Paper?
Some tantalizing words from How to Make your Own Alcohol Fuels, by Larry W. Carley (2nd Ed: Tab Books, 1981): Starches and cellulose can be broken down by acid hydrolysis or enzyme hydrolysis. With acid hydrolysis, the feedstock material is ground up and mixed with a dilute acid solution to form a slurry. The acid then attacks the chemical bonds that hold the starch or cellulose molecule together, breaking the molecules apart and thereby freeing the simple sugars into solution. The sugar can then be fermented and made into alcohol. In commercial applications, the raw feedstock is ground up and mixed with water in a ratio of about 10 parts liquid to 1 part solid. The slurry is then mixed with an 8 percent to 10 percent weak acid solution and cooked under pressure at about 360 degrees F to 440 degrees F. The result, in the case of scrap paper, is conversion of about 80 percent of the cellulose into fermentable sugar. This process has proven itself to be practical and economical in large-scale applications... No references, of course. Anybody know what process he's referring to? Marc de Piolenc Iligan Philippines There's a bit more here: The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson Chapter 7 - See Acid Hydrolosis http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual6-7.html#ch7 Chapter 8 Cellulose Conversion http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual8-10.html Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol from waste paper?
Marc, Could you give some clarification as to theoretical yields of ethanol, methanol and other value added byproducts per metric ton of paper feedstock in the scenario you mention below, as well as energy inputs? One could use yield data from virgin pulpwood as baseline and venture forward. Also, I must ask why you wish to lash out at those who initiate mandatory recycling, when the eventual unintended consequences occur. Had such programs not been instituted, none of the benefits over the last 1/4 century would have been realized either. One of the predominant opportunities today created by legislative actions of past decades is the conversion of these stockpiles to pellet type fuel sources for industry and electrical steam boilers - just another form of biomass, delayed until maximum pulp utility has been achieved. Even with the sulfur and other additives included during paper manufacture and printing, it's a cleaner fuel than coal, especially when considering coal's heavy metals emissions. The reason for price drops for retrieved waste paper is that the % of recovery relative to pulp industry re-use is imbalanced, creating a glut. The problem has never been with recovery, but gearing up and reconfiguring the pulp and paper industry. They have been petulant and, for the most part, fought the process virulently for 25 years, claiming that retrofits were too expensive until maximum mechanical utility had been realized on existing plants. Even when the old plants die, few serious industry attempts are made to configure new plants to maximize on retrieved fiber sources. It's not that the opportunities and technologies don't exist, rather the lack of responsibility and vision. It takes time to create and change infrastructure - lifetimes. The foundations have and are being laid. It's time to start putting up the walls and tiling the roof. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I refer of course to waste paper. Most waste paper is newsprint, which is short-fiber mechanical pulp made from ground wood. When repulped, it has to be mixed with a large proportion of new fiber to make decent paper because of the short fibers. It also contains a lot of lignin and other unstable compounds, so that paper made from it is unstable as well as weak. With mandatory recycling going into effect in many places, the price of recycled newsprint is going negative in some areas - that is, the pulp mills must be paid to take it. Other uses are being found for it - mulching, insulation - but basically it goes begging. Now imagine a paper-alcohol plant attached to a biodiesel plant. Not only can the ethanol be used for biodiesel production, but the residue still contains some lignin, which can give methanol on dry distillation. The unfermentable sugars give furfural and other compounds useful in organic synthesis. Everybody wins: - community recycling projects can start getting paid again (and the politicians who pushed through mandatory recycling without considering the consequences can start breathing again). - ethanol is produced without any impact on agricultural commodity prices. Best to all, Marc de Piolenc Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol from wood
myself, and Keith Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: F. Marc de Piolenc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Biofuel List biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: [biofuel] Alcohol from wood Dear Listmates, The recent discussion of wood hydrolysis reminded me that I had promised to translate the relevant parts of Boullanger's treatise from French into English; this I am finally doing. I also found good information on saccharification in Haegglund's treatise on wood chemistry. I will scan those pages, which are already in English. To whom should I send this stuff for archiving? I keep forgetting. Best, Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Philippines Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] alcohol from waste paper?
Todd wrote: Could you give some clarification as to theoretical yields of ethanol, methanol and other value added byproducts per metric ton of paper feedstock in the scenario you mention below, as well as energy inputs? One could use yield data from virgin pulpwood as baseline and venture forward. One could indeed. The data are in the documents I forwarded to Keith yesterday. Doubtless they will soon be available on the Web. Basically, yields achieved with mineral acids are fractions of theoretical. Also, I must ask why you wish to lash out at those who initiate mandatory recycling, when the eventual unintended consequences occur. Had such programs not been instituted, none of the benefits over the last 1/4 century would have been realized either. You make the common error of assuming that if it isn't obligatory, it won't get done. When you make it worth somebody's while to do something, he does it. When you compel him, you are practising slavery. There is also the problem of bureaucratic, one-size-MUST-fit-all solutions to problems often created by bureaucracy in the first place. Breathing is beneficial, but you can bet that if it were mandatory, half of us would be hyperventilating while the rest died of asphyxia. The reason for price drops for retrieved waste paper is that the % of recovery relative to pulp industry re-use is imbalanced, creating a glut. And what caused that, I wonder? You blame the industry for not conforming its actions to political mandate - I blame the mandate. The problem has never been with recovery, but gearing up and reconfiguring the pulp and paper industry. They have been petulant and, for the most part, fought the process virulently for 25 years, claiming that retrofits were too expensive until maximum mechanical utility had been realized on existing plants. Ever wondered whether they might have been telling the truth? Just a thought. Even when the old plants die, few serious industry attempts are made to configure new plants to maximize on retrieved fiber sources. It's not that the opportunities and technologies don't exist, rather the lack of responsibility and vision. Obviously what's needed is for farsighted, clear-thinking, enlightened people like yourself to move in and take over. I can't wait. Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Philippines Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alcohol from wood
Dear Listmates, The recent discussion of wood hydrolysis reminded me that I had promised to translate the relevant parts of Boullanger's treatise from French into English; this I am finally doing. I also found good information on saccharification in Haegglund's treatise on wood chemistry. I will scan those pages, which are already in English. To whom should I send this stuff for archiving? I keep forgetting. Best, Marc de Piolenc Iligan, Philippines Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alcohol from waste paper?
In translating and collating what I have in my library about hydrolyzing wood cellulose to get fermentable sugars, it occurred to me that there is a much better source of cellulose than wood, and that using it would allow two birds to be killed with one stone. I refer of course to waste paper. Most waste paper is newsprint, which is short-fiber mechanical pulp made from ground wood. When repulped, it has to be mixed with a large proportion of new fiber to make decent paper because of the short fibers. It also contains a lot of lignin and other unstable compounds, so that paper made from it is unstable as well as weak. With mandatory recycling going into effect in many places, the price of recycled newsprint is going negative in some areas - that is, the pulp mills must be paid to take it. Other uses are being found for it - mulching, insulation - but basically it goes begging. Now imagine a paper-alcohol plant attached to a biodiesel plant. Not only can the ethanol be used for biodiesel production, but the residue still contains some lignin, which can give methanol on dry distillation. The unfermentable sugars give furfural and other compounds useful in organic synthesis. Everybody wins: - community recycling projects can start getting paid again (and the politicians who pushed through mandatory recycling without considering the consequences can start breathing again). - ethanol is produced without any impact on agricultural commodity prices. Best to all, Marc de Piolenc Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Alcohol as an antifreeze?
My stepdad spent a little time in a garage in the Ford Model A days. He said wood alcohol was mixed in the water for the radiator but it was dangerous. If you looked in the radiator when it was hot you would get a facefull of methyl alcohol vapor. He said this could ruin your eyes. As to it being true, he believed it. Seems a little wild to me but I don't know. Maybe a handbook on industrial chemicals would say something. K -Original Message- From: beeteljeuse beelzebub [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 4:04 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol as an antifreeze? From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol as an antifreeze? Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 02:38:40 +0900 Greetings to everyone: It seems to me that before the advent of modern antifreeze, people used alcohol in the cars to keep them from freezing in the winter, (I swear I read that somewhere but can't remember where). Has anyone else ever heard of this? Is it possible? Can a person make their own antifreeze in the same way as making fuel for their automobile? Thanks for the input and guidance, Fischmann Ive never tried this,and it sounds dodgy, but an old (80+) bloke I met used a mixture of three parts alcohol to one part kerosene, and added about a litre to an old ford V8(302 clevland) no idea how it would go in really cold weather, but it did fine in australia. -B.A. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] biofuel / alcohol conversion
You might want to visit your local race track. The racers often set up thier engines to run on a fuel of primarily alcohol and would not only know if and how it could be done but may have specialty parts sources. Dana Linscott __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alcohol as an antifreeze?
Greetings to everyone: It seems to me that before the advent of modern antifreeze, people used alcohol in the cars to keep them from freezing in the winter, (I swear I read that somewhere but can't remember where). Has anyone else ever heard of this? Is it possible? Can a person make their own antifreeze in the same way as making fuel for their automobile? Thanks for the input and guidance, Fischmann [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol as an antifreeze?
Greetings to everyone: It seems to me that before the advent of modern antifreeze, people used alcohol in the cars to keep them from freezing in the winter, (I swear I read that somewhere but can't remember where). Has anyone else ever heard of this? Is it possible? Can a person make their own antifreeze in the same way as making fuel for their automobile? Thanks for the input and guidance, Fischmann I'm sure you're right, rings bells - it does have a low freezing point. You might have to use quite a lot though to get the overall freezing point down low enough. Also glycerine's been suggested as an anti-freeze. But I guess it has to be purified first. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Alcohol as an antifreeze?
Methyl(wood) alcohol and looking into a hot radiator with the cap off was a no no. The vapors would get your eyes I was told. Kirk -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 11:39 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol as an antifreeze? Greetings to everyone: It seems to me that before the advent of modern antifreeze, people used alcohol in the cars to keep them from freezing in the winter, (I swear I read that somewhere but can't remember where). Has anyone else ever heard of this? Is it possible? Can a person make their own antifreeze in the same way as making fuel for their automobile? Thanks for the input and guidance, Fischmann I'm sure you're right, rings bells - it does have a low freezing point. You might have to use quite a lot though to get the overall freezing point down low enough. Also glycerine's been suggested as an anti-freeze. But I guess it has to be purified first. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.252 / Virus Database: 125 - Release Date: 5/9/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel
Thank you for the information. For sure, the price it«s bigger than a liter of petrolium http://laisla.com/petras/productos/tablaprod_a.htm But one could research produce grapes with a big grain ( to produce oil ) or with almost only grain. I see more vegetables ( trees ) with grain-pit ( that could ebe bought like residues for no human use ) where one can investigate get oil ( apricot, lemon and so on ). I have joined to the Vegoil to investigate about produce oil from different vegetables. Oil is so valuable like petrol. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vegoil-diesel All the best. Pedro. Elabore caseramente biodiesel para su actual motor de gasoil petrolfero La solucin a sus problemas energticos. http://sitio.de/energia http://journeytoforever.org/energiaweb/ - Original Message - From: dhargis1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel All that I recall is that I purchased the oil in a health food store in Spain. It was delicious. I believe it was produced in Catalonia, but I don't recall the manufacturer. It was a long time ago. You might try a local health food store. Ask for Aceite hecho de granos de uva. Derek W. Hargis - Original Message - From: Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel Can you send me the information ???. I can publish it in the vegetable oil page ;) On the other hand, it«s interesting investigate ( by private research companies, universities and public organizatios ) the possibility of a process to convert alcohol or similar grape products into oil. All the best. - Original Message - From: dhargis1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel There is a very fine edible oil made from grape pits in Spain. A very nice delicate oil, fabulous for salads, unfortunately, quite expensive. I am not aware of any economical process to turn ethanol into a usable oil. Derek W. Hargis [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel But in any way, can one get oil from alcohol or from vineyard ???. This is interesting, because in Spain there is a lot of vineyard production ( grapes ) that could be used to produce some class of oil . Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel
But in any way, can one get oil from alcohol or from vineyard ???. This is interesting, because in Spain there is a lot of vineyard production ( grapes ) that could be used to produce some class of oil . All the best. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel
Can you send me the information ???. I can publish it in the vegetable oil page ;) On the other hand, it«s interesting investigate ( by private research companies, universities and public organizatios ) the possibility of a process to convert alcohol or similar grape products into oil. All the best. - Original Message - From: dhargis1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel There is a very fine edible oil made from grape pits in Spain. A very nice delicate oil, fabulous for salads, unfortunately, quite expensive. I am not aware of any economical process to turn ethanol into a usable oil. Derek W. Hargis [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel But in any way, can one get oil from alcohol or from vineyard ???. This is interesting, because in Spain there is a lot of vineyard production ( grapes ) that could be used to produce some class of oil . Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel
All that I recall is that I purchased the oil in a health food store in Spain. It was delicious. I believe it was produced in Catalonia, but I don't recall the manufacturer. It was a long time ago. You might try a local health food store. Ask for Aceite hecho de granos de uva. Derek W. Hargis - Original Message - From: Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel Can you send me the information ???. I can publish it in the vegetable oil page ;) On the other hand, it«s interesting investigate ( by private research companies, universities and public organizatios ) the possibility of a process to convert alcohol or similar grape products into oil. All the best. - Original Message - From: dhargis1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel There is a very fine edible oil made from grape pits in Spain. A very nice delicate oil, fabulous for salads, unfortunately, quite expensive. I am not aware of any economical process to turn ethanol into a usable oil. Derek W. Hargis [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Pedro M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel But in any way, can one get oil from alcohol or from vineyard ???. This is interesting, because in Spain there is a lot of vineyard production ( grapes ) that could be used to produce some class of oil . Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alcohol into biodiesel
Can one convert ( now or in the future ) alcohol into biodiesel ??. It«s only mind speculation . Thanks in advance. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] alcohol as a fuel
ok, I was wrong. seems to be oil in them seeds, and starch in the rest. should be able to make biodiesel AND ethanol from the pumpkin, then throw the remains into the methane digester. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] alcohol as a fuel not much oil available, so biodiesel is out. how much starch/sugar is available? I don't know the answer to that, but I've not heard of anyone using pumpkins, so ethanol is prolly not an answer. that leaves methane. That will work! Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:12 PM Subject: [biofuel] alcohol as a fuel there are two questions that i have: the first one is. can pumpkins be used to make a biofuel? And if so does someone have a recipe? The other is. Is it cost effective to make your own personal fuel providing you have the mechanical ability to construct the equipement? If anyone has the the answer to any of these questions please let me know. thanks in advance. scott Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] alcohol as a fuel
not much oil available, so biodiesel is out. how much starch/sugar is available? I don't know the answer to that, but I've not heard of anyone using pumpkins, so ethanol is prolly not an answer. that leaves methane. That will work! Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:12 PM Subject: [biofuel] alcohol as a fuel there are two questions that i have: the first one is. can pumpkins be used to make a biofuel? And if so does someone have a recipe? The other is. Is it cost effective to make your own personal fuel providing you have the mechanical ability to construct the equipement? If anyone has the the answer to any of these questions please let me know. thanks in advance. scott Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] alcohol as a fuel
there are two questions that i have: the first one is. can pumpkins be used to make a biofuel? And if so does someone have a recipe? The other is. Is it cost effective to make your own personal fuel providing you have the mechanical ability to construct the equipement? If anyone has the the answer to any of these questions please let me know. thanks in advance. scott Hi Scott Pumpkin flesh can contain up to 14% sugar, if they're well grown in good soil - minimum about 6%, but that's a really bad pumpkin. Also, I know you're talking about alcohol, but the seeds are a good source of oil. Cucurbit Seed As Possible Oil Protein Sources By Dr. Franklin W. Martin After the hull is removed, cucurbit seeds contain about 50 percent oil and up to 35 percent proteins. Most of their oil is made up of non-saturated fatty acids, thus of high nutritional values. Conjugated fatty acids among some cucurbit oils make them highly useful as drying oils. [I.e. they combine readily with oxygen to form an elastic, waterproof film. Ed.] The proteins, on the other hand, are principally of the globulin type, and are deficient in lysine but also in sulfur-bearing amino acid. Protein efficiency ratios of about 30 to 70 (that of powdered skim milk is 80) have been measured. The PER improves with addition of lysine. The uses of cucurbit seeds for their high protein and oil content have many precedents... http://www.echonet.org/tropicalag/technotes/Cucurbit.PDF It's hard to give a general answer to your second question, it depends on a great many variables. David mentioned the energy supply, others are the cost of inputs (anything from zero up), the scale, etc. Nonetheless, the answer seems to be Yes, since a lot of people seem to do it. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] alcohol as a fuel
there are two questions that i have: the first one is. can pumpkins be used to make a biofuel? And if so does someone have a recipe? The other is. Is it cost effective to make your own personal fuel providing you have the mechanical ability to construct the equipement? If anyone has the the answer to any of these questions please let me know. thanks in advance. scott Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] alcohol as a fuel
Scott, The answers are yes to both questions. Pumpkins have a reasonably high starch level; they are therefore suitable for conversion to ethyl alcohol. To achieve maximum conversion you will have to use enzymes. I havnt got time to go into all the intricasies but go to the jtf site and download the appropriate sections of the Mother Earth Making Alcohol Fuel Book that Keith has on the site there. You will have to build a still so look at that section as well, in fact the whole book. The answer wether or not it is economic in the end is up to you. What determines this is the energy costs involved of which the distillation heat requirement is by far the largest. If you can find a cheap heat source and do it efficiently you will be successful. If you can also weld or braze this is also a strong asset.The answer is to research the subject properly while at the same time learning how to ferment, distill, etc so that you have some practical experience and continually continue to learn. Good luck with your endeavours. B.r., David - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: [biofuel] alcohol as a fuel there are two questions that i have: the first one is. can pumpkins be used to make a biofuel? And if so does someone have a recipe? The other is. Is it cost effective to make your own personal fuel providing you have the mechanical ability to construct the equipement? If anyone has the the answer to any of these questions please let me know. thanks in advance. scott Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alcohol Fuel Cell
I don't require an entire education on this but a friend of mine was under the impression that fuel cells won't operate on alcohol without being redesigned. I thought methanol was one of the fuels of choice for fuel cells. Wouldn't that mean they will swing towards alcohol rather easily. The paperback version will suffice nicely, I'm only curius Thanks Scott Nikolai [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol Fuel Cell
fuel cells run on hydrogen. they are usually paired with a reformer, to extract the hydrogen from a particular fuel. this tends to be methanol, but I don't see why ethanol would not work. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Scott Cathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:46 PM Subject: [biofuel] Alcohol Fuel Cell I don't require an entire education on this but a friend of mine was under the impression that fuel cells won't operate on alcohol without being redesigned. I thought methanol was one of the fuels of choice for fuel cells. Wouldn't that mean they will swing towards alcohol rather easily. The paperback version will suffice nicely, I'm only curius Thanks Scott Nikolai [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Alcohol-producing GM bacteria could destroy all life on earth
Both Stephen Mathewson's Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel and the Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel manual, both published in 1980, look forward with optimism to the development of enzymes and microorganisms that will do a better job of converting cellulose to sugar for ethanol production. (See Biofuels Library: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html) This is what happened to one such microorganism, a bacterium engineered to produce alcohol from crop wastes. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ All life on Earth could be destroyed by genetically modified bacteria, a scientist told the New Zealand Royal Commission on Genetic Modification earlier this month. Four scientists gave evidence for the Green Party at the hearing via video link from the United States. Soil ecologist Elaine Ingham spoke about a plant-killing GM bacteria that her Oregon State University research team prevented from being released into the environment. Dr Ingham said the alcohol-producing bacteria had been approved for field trials when her team discovered its lethal effects. She said her results, replicated many times in double blind studies, was dismissed by EPA as non-scientific. http://www.safe2use.com/ca-ipm/01-02-05-report.htm Royal Commission on Genetic Modification New Zealand Witness Brief on Testimony Dr Elaine R. Ingham, Oregon State University 1. Genetically engineered organisms have not been adequately assessed for their environmental or human health effects. It is inadequate to subject ORGANISMS to the tested required for non-living chemical pesticides, and conclude that there will be no adverse or risky effects from release of those organisms based on that testing. 2. A graduate student of mine, no longer working in the field of engineered organisms, and I did some research on a particular engineered bacterium that had been approved by the USEPA for field testing. No environmental effects were detected during pesticide or toxicity testing with this organism. However, Michael Holmes discovered that the engineered bacterium, Klebsiella planticola with a additional alcohol gene, killed all the wheat plants in microcosms into which the engineered organisms was added 1 . None of the wheat plants were killed in microcosms into which the not-engineered parent organism or just water were added. 3. This bacterium was engineered to produce alcohol from plant debris, so alcohol could be produced after raking up grass straw residues instead of burning fields. This organism would have been released to the real world by placing the residue left at the bottom of the fermentation container following grass straw alcohol production on fields as fertilizer. With a single release, we know that bacteria can spread over large distances, probably world-wide. 4. These bacteria would therefore get into the root systems of all terrestrial plants and begin to produce alcohol. The engineered bacterium produces far beyond the required amount of alcohol per gram soil than required to kill any terrestrial plant. This would result in the death of all terrestrial plants, because the parent bacterium has been found in the root systems of all plants where anyone has looked for its presence. This could have been the single most devastating impact on human beings since we would likely have lost corn, wheat, barley, vegetable crops, trees, bushes, etc, conceivably all terrestrial plants. 5. It is clear, therefore, that current testing procedures required by US regulatory agencies are completely inadequate in assessing the potential risks involved with genetically engineered organisms. Until such time as adequate testing procedures are instigated and carried out, engineered organisms should not be considered to have acceptable risks. 1 Holmes, M. and E.R. Ingham. (1999) Ecological effects of genetically engineered Klebsiella planticola released into agricultural soil with varying clay content. Appl. Soil Ecol. 3:394-399. http://www.safe2use.com/ca-ipm/01-02-05-study.htm Klebsiella planticola--The Gene-Altered Monster That Almost Got Away The Deadly Genetically Engineered Bacteria that Almost Got Away: A Cautionary Tale Web Note: In the early 1990s a European genetic engineering company was preparing to field test and then commercialize on a major scale a genetically engineered soil bacteria called Klebsiella planticola. The bacteria had been tested--as it turns out in a careless and very unscientific mannner--by scientists working for the biotech industry and was believed to be safe for the environment. Fortunately a team of independent scientists, headed by Dr. Elaine Ingham of Oregon State University, decided to run their own tests on the gene-altered Klebsiella planticola. What they discovered was not only startling, but terrifying-- the biotech industry had created a biological monster--a
[biofuel] Alcohol Fuel Manual - new chapters uploaded
The last three chapters of the Alcohol Fuel Manual are now uploaded and in the Biofuels Library. I haven't scanned Chapter 16 because it's about US legal requirements of 1980, nor the Appendix because it's long out of date. http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson Ten Speed Press © Copyright 1980 J.A. Diaz Publications Out of print Chapter 15 SOLAR STILLS General Discussion Principle of Operation Construction of Solar Stills Chapter 17 PUTTING IT ALL TOGETHER Large And Small Systems Very Small Small Medium Large Considerations Chapter 18 THE FUTURE Present Technology New Technology Immobilized Enzymes Cellulose Conversion Alternatives To Distillation Biological Research Conclusion Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/982461310/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Alcohol Fuel Manual - new chapter
Finally managed to get my hands on the scanner again, and uploaded Chapter 14 of Stephen Mathewson's The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel. Chapter 14 DISTILLATION EQUIPMENT Simple Reflux Column Condensers Boilers Reflux Control Hydrometer Sump Construction of a Reflux Column Operation of the Still Caution Coming next: Solar Still, and Putting it all Together. Then more great stuff from the Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel Manual. You'll find the new chapter at the Biofuels Library: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981395391/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] alcohol injection
Thanx for the info. I just run into a friend of mine who played with making high oupput engins. HE drew me a pic. very simalar, But he use 3/4 or 1 tubing taped into the throtle body, or intake he said it makes a big differance. He use the system so he could run these engins on pump gas on the street instead of airplane fule. The only differance was he added a check valve so if the engine backfired it wouldnt cause a fire in the holding tank. If any one else has any sugettions id like to hear them -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/837408/_/972618987/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Alcohol injection
I would like to know how to add an injection system for alcohol on my F-250 truck. I looked at the water injection system, and it says to use the vacume line going to the distributer. Mine dont have one. It is a 94 351 FuelInjectied OR would I be better of just to mix the Alcohol with the gas? Im new at this. Just sent for the plans for the still so i thought i should try to get the truck ready. Im not sure if I want to Rely soly on alcohol I would like to be able to use both for now. Mabey later Ill think about the complete conversion -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9698/5/_/837408/_/972538213/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Alcohol injection
see http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:30 AM Subject: [biofuel] Alcohol injection I would like to know how to add an injection system for alcohol on my F-250 truck. I looked at the water injection system, and it says to use the vacume line going to the distributer. Mine dont have one. It is a 94 351 FuelInjectied OR would I be better of just to mix the Alcohol with the gas? Im new at this. Just sent for the plans for the still so i thought i should try to get the truck ready. Im not sure if I want to Rely soly on alcohol I would like to be able to use both for now. Mabey later Ill think about the complete conversion eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/837408/_/972557092/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Alcohol Fuel Manual
-- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ Special Offer-Earn 300 Points from MyPoints.com for trying @Backup Get automatic protection and access to your important computer files. Install today: http://click.egroups.com/1/6347/5/_/837408/_/969907956/ -_- Hi folks Just a reminder that there's a lot of good information in the Alcohol Fuel Manual in the Files section of the biofuel list website. You can access it with your browser (html files). Click on manual - Alcohol Fuel Manual, the chapters are inside the folder. Also: Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel: MotherEarth folder me1.html - Alcohol as an Engine Fuel me2.html - How To Adapt Your Automobile Engine For Ethyl Alcohol Use me3.html - Ron Novak's Do-It-Yourself Water Injection System Building the Charles 803 Still by Robert Warren: ethanol_still1.html - Building Charles 803 Ch1 ethanol_still2.html - Building Charles 803 Ch2 ethanol_faq.html - Fuel ethanol FAQ biodiesel_info.html - Biodiesel information And more. Access for list members only: http://www.egroups.com/group/biofuel Or sign in first at: http://www.egroups.com/mygroups Here's the chapter index of the Alcohol Fuel Manual: The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel by S.W. Mathewson Ten Speed Press © Copyright 1980 J.A. Diaz Publications Out of print Chapter 1, An Overview Alcohol Fuel Uses of Alcohol Fuel Other Alternative Fuels Chapter 2, Basic Fuel Theory Chemical Composition Combustion Properties Volatility Octane Ratings Water Injection Exhaust Composition Engine Performance - Straight Alcohol Engine Performance - Alcohol Blends Chapter 3, Utilization of Alcohol Fuels Methods of Utilization Alcohol Blends Pure Alcohol Diesel Engines Engine Modification Alcohol Injection Chapter 4, Ethanol Production - General Discussion Raw Materials Manufacturing Steps Process Design Chapter 5, Processing Steps Common To All Materials Dilution Ph Control Backslopping Cleanliness Hydrometers Chapter 6, Processing Steps Specific To Saccharine Materials General Description Extraction Chapter 7, Processing Steps Specific To Starchy Materials Preparation of Starchy Materials Milling Cooking Conversion Malting Premalting Preparation of Malt Enzyme Conversion Acid Hydrolosis Mash Cooling Chapter 8, Processing Steps Specific To Cellulose Materials Cellulose Conversion Chapter 9, Yeast and Fermentation Yeast Yeast Preparation Fermentation Fermentation By-products Note of Caution Chapter 10, Individual Raw Materials Sugar/Starch Content vs Alcohol Saccharine Materials Fruits Molasses Cane Sorghum Sugar Beets Sugar Corn Wastes Starchy Materials Grains Jerusalem Artichokes Potatoes Sweet Potatoes Cellolose Materials Multiple Enzyme Treatment Chapter 11, Distillation Distillation Theory The Reflux Column Chapter 12, Drying The Alcohol General Description Absorption Methods Drying With Lime Azetropic Methods Chapter 13, Mashing and Fermentation Equipment General Discussion Batch Cooking and Mashing Equipment Fermentation Equipment Enjoy! Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
