Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Hi All The List Admin was having a lot of problems getting through on my business domain so we switched to my Gmail account. What a marvelous change. Google mail organizes things by thread! Plus google recommends that you save everything. With a search engine built in posts are right here when I want them. Sorry if I sound like an ad for google, this is working so much better, there may be ramifications I don't know about, but oh well. Google gives us fifty free invites and these accounts are currently at 2.7 gig each. Let me know if you need one. Brian Rodgers On 9/3/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris lol, yeah. the volume from this list to my mailbox this past week has totally overwhelmed me. even now i'm trying to catch up. i'm going to have to switch my mail option to digest or something. that item came to my mailbox Only one mailbox. Try this: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg21651.html Though maybe you need a real ISP for that rather than aol. and i just turned around and forwarded it right away. as i browsed further down my backed-up inbox, i saw the post on this list. i first heard of it through the green-trust list, which is why i forwarded that item. wasn't trying to misattribute credit or anything. I know you weren't. Not so sure about other people though. sorry! No problem. Best wishes Keith cheers, -chris b. Hello Chris the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris Thanks, but we had it before: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003069.html [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel Note it comes from http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/, not green-trust.org. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
lol, yeah. the volume from this list to my mailbox this past week has totally overwhelmed me. even now i'm trying to catch up. i'm going to have to switch my mail option to digest or something. that item came to my mailbox and i just turned around and forwarded it right away. as i browsed further down my backed-up inbox, i saw the post on this list. i first heard of it through the green-trust list, which is why i forwarded that item. wasn't trying to misattribute credit or anything. sorry! cheers, -chris b. Hello Chris the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris Thanks, but we had it before: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003069.html [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel Note it comes from http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/, not green-trust.org. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Hi Chris lol, yeah. the volume from this list to my mailbox this past week has totally overwhelmed me. even now i'm trying to catch up. i'm going to have to switch my mail option to digest or something. that item came to my mailbox Only one mailbox. Try this: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg21651.html Though maybe you need a real ISP for that rather than aol. and i just turned around and forwarded it right away. as i browsed further down my backed-up inbox, i saw the post on this list. i first heard of it through the green-trust list, which is why i forwarded that item. wasn't trying to misattribute credit or anything. I know you weren't. Not so sure about other people though. sorry! No problem. Best wishes Keith cheers, -chris b. Hello Chris the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris Thanks, but we had it before: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003069.html [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel Note it comes from http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/, not green-trust.org. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Probably the best source of good and reliable information on chemical pollution of all kinds is Rachel's. http://www.rachel.org/ Rachel's Environment Health News is excellent: http://www.rachel.org/bulletin/index.cfm?St=1 Environmental Research Foundation - Rachel's Weekly Try PANUPS/PANNA for pesticide info: http://www.panna.org/ Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) http://www.panna.org/resources/resources.html PANNA: Resource Library Hook line and sinker eh Nancy? You won't manage to tar us so easily with either one brush or the other. Take John's advice, we're a lot more rigorous than you are. It's you who's swallowing it whole and it's the stuff of conspiracy theory, as John says - which, please, is NOT to say that there are no conspiracies, but it is to say that the uncritical and sloppy thinking of conspiracy theorists and the cloud of dust they invariably kick up makes serious investigation much more difficult and probably does more to help hide conspiracies than to reveal them. As for the FDA, there's this, among much else: How a New Policy Led to Seven Deadly Drugs Los Angeles Times Wednesday, December 20, 2000 Medicine: Once a wary watchdog, the Food and Drug Administration set out to become a partner of the pharmaceutical industry. Today, the public has more remedies, but some are proving lethal. A good series of articles, no longer available online at the LA Times. The main story is now here: http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/Miscellaneous/122002Howanew.html I'll post it in full along with the individual cases, which I don't think are online anywhere else, they might as well be here, and maybe it'll establish a sort of bottom line on the subject in the archives, which is a pretty good source already. Best wishes Keith Nancy Canning wrote: So you guys are going to believe hook line and sinker all the bs FDA passes off. I am laughing so hard at your defending the FDA. I'm not defending the FDA here (nice red herring/strawman btw) - I just pointed out that the claim the FDA listed aspartame as a neurotoxin is 100% flat out untrue. The chemicals are bad schtick gets a little old after you've been on this list for a while. We get it: * chemicals are bad * vaccines cause autism * mercury leaches out of amalgam fillings * fluoride is a comunist/NWO plot * aspartame is poison * neotame is worse * rumsfeld and cheney are behind it all * we're all just blind sheep that are pawns to the bigs * natural is good * raw is better We're heard it all before. Maybe you could do us all a favor and actually look in the archives before you share next time. As Keith likes to point out, there is a handy dandy link to the archives at the bottom of every message you get. The doctors and hospitals, insurance companies, and drug companies can't make any money of a healthy diet, vitamines, and herbal remedies. Why do you think that doctors across the country tried to ban aspartame before it was released? Wait, now I'm confused. Are doctors trying to protect us or are they trying to poison us to make money. Which side of this epic struggle are they on? How am I to know if you can't even make up your mind in the same post? WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS FOUNDATION OF D.A. ISSUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTO Article written by Nancy Markle Ten FREE Cancer Reports I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on ASPARTAME marketed as NutraSweet, Equal, and Spoonful. In the keynote address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic of MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS and SYSTEMIC LUPUS, and they did not understand what toxin was causing this to be rampant across the United States. I explained that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject. Wow Nancy. That's really interesting, especially since: a) Nancy Markle doesn't exist, or at least no one by that name is known to do research on MS, lupus or aspartame. In fact, the original source of the document you cut n' pasted is originally from a Usenet posting in 1995 by Betty Martini that was modified by an unknown person and attributed to the mythical Ms. Markle. Searching groups.google.com will turn up postings from Ms. Martini as far back as 1996. b) Searching the EPA publication archive for World Environmental Congress returns ZERO hits. Go ahead and try it, I just did: http://www.epa.gov/epahome/pubsearch.html If the EPA gave the KEYNOTE talk at this WORLD conference, why doesn't anything come up? I guess the secret kabal got to them, eh? Analysis Shows Nearly 100% of Independent Research Finds Problems With Aspartame October 17, 1996 So which is it? 100%? less that 100%? This is sloppy emotional writing. An analysis of peer reviewed medical literature using MEDLINE and other databases was conducted by Ralph G. Walton, MD, Chairman, The Center for Behavioral Medicine, Professor of Clinical
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For your information, I wear a tinfoil hat, not a biohazard suit, and I have a home-made Bidet that uses organic rain water, though I do think that particular question is a bit too intrusive. Glad to help, Mike I guess all these toxins killing us explains why our life expectancy keeps going up. And you are right about one thing Nancy, it never stops! What kind of biohazard suit do you live in? What do you use to wipe your as Oh, nevermind! At 12:54 PM 9/1/2005, Nancy Canning said something like: Health-Report Comment: Well folks, it never stops does it? How many of you would ever have thought, a ubiquitous substance such as good ol' Petroleum Jelly or Vaseline as so many of us have come to call it over the last 50 years, is now a suspected and probable carcinogen because of the way it is manufactured?. Contaminants from petrolatum are being found in most breast cancer tissues which have been studied in recent times. You know, I keep beating the same drum about these so called safe chemicals! Just because we have become used to using synthetic chemicals on the skin, it doesn't mean to say they have been beneficial in the long run to our health. FAR FROM IT! In fact, some of these toxic chemicals, may well have contributed to the cancer, a friend or loved one of yours, contracted and died from, in recent times. Yes we all know people, loved ones and friends who have been cut down by this cancer scourge. Every single one of us in Westernized society, knows someone who has died of cancer in the last 12 months. It's a frightening and awful reality, that the rate we contract cancer, is approaching 1 in every 2 people and will probably exceed this rate within twenty years! It's only YOU who can do something about it by educating people you know to the dangers and by voting NO to chemicals simply by reading the labels! If the label has words on it you can't pronounce, then put it back on the shelf and don't run the risk of doing long term damage to your own health. You need to start explaining to people you know about reading labels and keeping the toxic chemicals out of their system. You can actually be paid to do this if you join the http://www.health-report.co.uk/form_networker.htmOrganic Movement and promote safe non toxic products like we do here at the Health-Report website. http://www.health-report.co.uk/form_customers.htmCERTIFIED ORGANIC is the only guarantee you have of being chemical free. If you support the organic industry then you will not only be healthier and happier but you are also helping to save the planet from an impending disaster! You have one life - live it safely by avoiding chemicals! - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Myk Hill To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Whenever I use a deoderant with this Propylene Glycol in it, my skin breaks out in hives. So generally stay away from anything that contains it. (Poison) no matter how you look at it. FDA has also listed Aspartame as a Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway so I use Stevia or raw cane sugar that is not bleached whenever possible. Splenda is not that great either since they use the same chlorinization process as what is done with most sugars and that's how they fool most people into thing that it is all made from sugar. --- Original Message The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as generally recognized as safe, which means that it is acceptable for use in flavorings, drugs, and cosmetics, and as a direct food additive. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to mucous membranes or skin and is slowly and poorly absorbed through the skin. * Ingestion is the most important exposure route. Dermal absorption is negligible and does not contribute significantly to systemic toxicity. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to skin and mucous membranes and is not absorbed well through the skin or by inhalation. * Ingestion of ethylene glycol produces CNS depression which may be accompanied by nausea, vomiting, and abdominal cramps. * Metabolites of ethylene glycol produce severe metabolic acidosis and damage to the brain, heart, and kidneys. * Severe poisoning is potentially fatal if treatment is inadequate or delayed. * There are only a few reports on the adverse health effects in humans of chronic exposure to ethylene glycol. Irritation of the throat, mild headache, low backache, loss of consciousness, and nystagmus have been reported. These symptoms were resolved when the exposure ceased. * Ethylene glycol affects the body's chemistry by increasing the amount of acid, resulting in metabolic problems
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Whenever I use a deoderant with this Propylene Glycol in it, my skin breaks out in hives. So generally stay away from anything that contains it. (Poison) no matter how you look at it. FDA has also listed Aspartame asa Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway so I use Stevia or raw cane sugar that is not bleached whenever possible.Splenda is not thatgreat either since they usethe samechlorinization process as what is done with most sugars and that's how they fool most people into thing that it is all made from sugar. --- Original Message The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as "generally recognized as safe," which means that it is acceptable for use in flavorings, drugs, and cosmetics, and as a direct food additive. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to mucous membranes or skin and is slowly and poorly absorbed through the skin. * Ingestion is the most important exposure route. Dermal absorption is negligible and does not contribute significantly to systemic toxicity. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to skin and mucous membranes and is not absorbed well through the skin or by inhalation. * Ingestion of ethylene glycol produces CNS depression which may be accompanied by nausea, vomiting, and abdominal cramps. * Metabolites of ethylene glycol produce severe metabolic acidosis and damage to the brain, heart, and kidneys. * Severe poisoning is potentially fatal if treatment is inadequate or delayed. * There are only a few reports on the adverse health effects in humans of chronic exposure to ethylene glycol. Irritation of the throat, mild headache, low backache, loss of consciousness, and nystagmus have been reported. These symptoms were resolved when the exposure ceased. * Ethylene glycol affects the body's chemistry by increasing the amount of acid, resulting in metabolic problems. Similar to ethylene glycol, propylene glycol increases the amount of acid in the body. However, larger amounts of propylene glycol are needed to cause this effect. * The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), and the EPA have not classified ethylene glycol and propylene glycol for carcinogenicity. Studies with people who used ethylene glycol did not show carcinogenic effects. Animal studies also have not shown these chemicals to be carcinogens.Ray J Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Myk Hill wrote: FDA has also listed Aspartame as a Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan. Any chance you have a primary source to back up your rather extraordinary statement? Searching the FDA website for aspartame turns up no such no evidence to support your claim. In fact, searching the FDA website turns up the following page: http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/qa-adf9.html which explicitly states that the FDA has concluded aspartame is safe. So while other groups, like CSPI, and even former FDA employees, like Arthur Evangelista, who may or may not have an agenda of their own, claim aspartame is a neurotoxin, I don't think the statement that FDA lists aspartame as a neurotoxin holds up to the light of day. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Thanks for the agreement.I had posted toxic reports on butylene and propylene glycol as well as sodium Laurel Sulfates...and was unanimously booed. It is nasty stuff, and most alarming they are putting it in toothpast/ children's anti-itch creams, most cosmetics, drugs, etc. What is really scary is that our skin absorbs whatever we touch, so when you say wash your dishes with dish soap, which is mostly comprised of anionic and nonionic sulfactants, every cell in your body picks up this poison. You guys want to believe the FDA? Be my guest. Propylene glycol (PG) is a petroleum derivative. It penetrates the skin and can weaken protein and cellular structure. Commonly used to make extracts from herbs. PG is strong enough to remove barnacles from boats! The EPA considers PG so toxic that it requires workers to wear protective gloves, clothing and goggles and to dispose of any PG solutions by burying them in the ground. Because PG penetrates the skin so quickly, the EPA warns against skin contact to prevent consequences such as brain, liver, and kidney abnormalities. But there isn't even a warning label on products such as stick deodorants, where the concentration is greater than in most industrial applications. From Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS):Health Hazard Acute And Chronic INHALATION: May cause respiratory and throat Irritation, central nervous system depression, blood and kidney disorders. May cause Nystagmus, Lymphocytosis. SKIN: Irritation and dermatitis, absorption. EYES: Irritation and conjunctivitis. INGESTION: Pulmonary oedema, brain damage, hypoglycaemia, intravascular hemolysis. Death may occur.) Anionic refers to the negative charge these surfactants have. They may be contaminated with nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic. Surfactants can pose serious health threats. They are used in car washes, as garage floor cleaners and engine degreasers - and in 90% of personal-care products that foam. Sodium Lauryl Sulfate (SLS) Sodium Laureth Sulfate (SLES) Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate (ALS) Ammonium Laureth Sulfate (ALES) Sodium Methyl Cocoyl Taurate Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate Sodium Cocoyl Sarcosinate Potassium Coco Hydrolysed Collagen TEA (Triethanolamine) Lauryl Sulfate TEA (Triethanolamine) Laureth Sulfate Lauryl or Cocoyl Sarcosine Disodium Oleamide Sulfosuccinate Disodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate Disodium Dioctyl Sulfosuccinate etc Sodium Laurel Sulfate: When combined with other chemicals, SLES and ALES can create nitrosamines, a potent class of carcinogens. It is frequently disguised in semi-natural cosmetics with the explanation "comes from coconut". From Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS): WARNING! CAUSES SKIN AND EYE IRRITATION! AVOID CONTACT WITH EYES, SKIN AND CLOTHING. THE MATERIAL WAS CLASSIFIED AS A MODERATE TO SEVERE EYE IRRITANT. For a complete list, you can pull up http://www.hallgold.com/toxic-chemical-ingredients-directory.htm#anionic - Original Message - From: Myk Hill To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Whenever I use a deoderant with this Propylene Glycol in it, my skin breaks out in hives. So generally stay away from anything that contains it. (Poison) no matter how you look at it. FDA has also listed Aspartame asa Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway so I use Stevia or raw cane sugar that is not bleached whenever possible.Splenda is not thatgreat either since they usethe samechlorinization process as what is done with most sugars and that's how they fool most people into thing that it is all made from sugar. --- Original Message The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as "generally recognized as safe," which means that it is acceptable for use in flavorings, drugs, and cosmetics, and as a direct food additive. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to mucous membranes or skin and is slowly and poorly absorbed through the skin. * Ingestion is the most important exposure route. Dermal absorption is negligible and does not contribute significantly to systemic toxicity. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to skin and mucous membranes and is not absorbed well through the skin or by inhalation. * Ingestion of ethylene glycol produces CNS depression which may be accompanied by nausea, vomiting, and abdominal cramps. * Metabolites of ethyle
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Health-Report Comment: Well folks, it never stops does it? How many of you would ever have thought, a ubiquitous substance such as good ol' Petroleum Jelly or Vaseline as so many of us have come to call it over the last 50 years, is now a suspected and probable carcinogen because of the way it is manufactured?. Contaminants from petrolatum are being found in most breast cancer tissues which have been studied in recent times. You know, I keep beating the same drum about these so called safe chemicals! Just because we have become used to using synthetic chemicals on the skin, it doesn't mean to say they have been beneficial in the long run to our health. FAR FROM IT! In fact, some of these toxic chemicals, may well have contributed to the cancer, a friend or loved one of yours, contracted and died from, in recent times. Yes we all know people, loved ones and friends who have been cut down by this cancer scourge. Every single one of us in Westernized society, knows someone who has died of cancer in the last 12 months. It's a frightening and awful reality, that the rate we contract cancer, is approaching 1 in every 2 people and will probably exceed this rate within twenty years! It's only YOU who can do something about it by educating people you know to the dangers and by voting NO to chemicals simply by reading the labels! If the label has words on it you can't pronounce, then put it back on the shelf and don't run the risk of doing long term damage to your own health. You need to start explaining to people you know about reading labels and keeping the toxic chemicals out of their system. You can actually be paid to do this if you join the Organic Movement and promote safe non toxic products like we do here at the Health-Report website. CERTIFIED ORGANIC is the only guarantee you have of being chemical free. If you support the organic industry then you will not only be healthier and happier but you are also helping to save the planet from an impending disaster! You have one life - live it safely by avoiding chemicals! - Original Message - From: Myk Hill To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Whenever I use a deoderant with this Propylene Glycol in it, my skin breaks out in hives. So generally stay away from anything that contains it. (Poison) no matter how you look at it. FDA has also listed Aspartame asa Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway so I use Stevia or raw cane sugar that is not bleached whenever possible.Splenda is not thatgreat either since they usethe samechlorinization process as what is done with most sugars and that's how they fool most people into thing that it is all made from sugar. --- Original Message The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as "generally recognized as safe," which means that it is acceptable for use in flavorings, drugs, and cosmetics, and as a direct food additive. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to mucous membranes or skin and is slowly and poorly absorbed through the skin. * Ingestion is the most important exposure route. Dermal absorption is negligible and does not contribute significantly to systemic toxicity. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to skin and mucous membranes and is not absorbed well through the skin or by inhalation. * Ingestion of ethylene glycol produces CNS depression which may be accompanied by nausea, vomiting, and abdominal cramps. * Metabolites of ethylene glycol produce severe metabolic acidosis and damage to the brain, heart, and kidneys. * Severe poisoning is potentially fatal if treatment is inadequate or delayed. * There are only a few reports on the adverse health effects in humans of chronic exposure to ethylene glycol. Irritation of the throat, mild headache, low backache, loss of consciousness, and nystagmus have been reported. These symptoms were resolved when the exposure ceased. * Ethylene glycol affects the body's chemistry by increasing the amount of acid, resulting in metabolic problems. Similar to ethylene glycol, propylene glycol increases the amount of acid in the body. However, larger amounts of propylene glycol are needed to cause this effect. * The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), and the EPA have not classified ethylene glycol and propylene glycol for carcinogenicity. Studies with people who used ethylene glycol did not show carcinogenic effects. Animal studies also have not shown these chemicals to be carcinogens.Ray J Find your next car at Yahoo! Canad
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Some comments below... Health-Report Comment: Well folks, it never stops does it? How many of you would ever have thought, a ubiquitous substance such as good ol' Petroleum Jelly or Vaseline as so many of us have come to call it over the last 50 years, is now a suspected and probable carcinogen because of the way it is manufactured?. Contaminants from petrolatum are being found in most breast cancer tissues which have been studied in recent times. You know, I keep beating the same drum about these so called safe chemicals! Just because we have become used to using synthetic chemicals on the skin, it doesn't mean to say they have been beneficial in the long run to our health. FAR FROM IT! In fact, some of these toxic chemicals, may well have contributed to the cancer, a friend or loved one of yours, contracted and died from, in recent times. Yes we all know people, loved ones and friends who have been cut down by this cancer scourge. Every single one of us in Westernized society, knows someone who has died of cancer in the last 12 months. It's a frightening and awful reality, that the rate we contract cancer, is approaching 1 in every 2 people and will probably exceed this rate within twenty years! It's only YOU who can do something about it by educating people you know to the dangers and by voting NO to chemicals simply by reading the labels! If the label has words on it you can't pronounce, then put it back on the shelf and don't run the risk of doing long term damage to your own health. You need to start explaining to people you know about reading labels and keeping the toxic chemicals out of their system. You can actually be paid to do this if you join the http://www.health-report.co.uk/form_networker.htmOrganic Movement and promote safe non toxic products like we do here at the Health-Report website. http://www.health-report.co.uk/form_customers.htmCERTIFIED ORGANIC is the only guarantee you have of being chemical free. Relatively, perhaps, if you're lucky. Recent studies in Britain found a lot of people cheating with organic certification, and I'm sure that's fairly ubiquitous. A lot of the real organic farmers now no longer bother with certification and just deal with local markets and CSAs instead, while big industries get organic certification and transport organic products all over the world. IMO if it's not local it's not organic no matter what the label says, and a lot of people agree with that. If you support the organic industry then you will not only be healthier and happier but you are also helping to save the planet from an impending disaster! You'd do much better supporting organic farmers and local markets than supporting the organic industry. You have one life - live it safely by avoiding chemicals! You can't avoid chemicals. Adam and Eve couldn't avoid chemicals. WHICH particular chemicals are safe and which aren't is another matter. There's a lot of excellent information available on this, but saying Chemicals are BAD! is not helpful. This is indeed a very serious issue, but it needs good, reliable, accessible information. Equating synthetic with toxic, and toxicity with not being able to pronounce the name of a chemical on a label, will only sow confusion and invite scorn - you'll probably just be making it easier for the chemical industry spinmeisters to marginalise the good work other people are doing. Best wishes Keith - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Myk Hill To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Whenever I use a deoderant with this Propylene Glycol in it, my skin breaks out in hives. So generally stay away from anything that contains it. (Poison) no matter how you look at it. FDA has also listed Aspartame as a Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway so I use Stevia or raw cane sugar that is not bleached whenever possible. Splenda is not that great either since they use the same chlorinization process as what is done with most sugars and that's how they fool most people into thing that it is all made from sugar. --- Original Message The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as generally recognized as safe, which means that it is acceptable for use in flavorings, drugs, and cosmetics, and as a direct food additive. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to mucous membranes or skin and is slowly and poorly absorbed through the skin. * Ingestion is the most important exposure route. Dermal absorption is negligible and does not contribute significantly to systemic toxicity. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to skin and mucous membranes and is not absorbed well through the skin or by inhalation
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Tom wrote: I guess all these toxins killing us explains why our life expectancy keeps going up. Does it? Your disease rate certainly does, didn't you notice? Indeed all these toxins ARE killing us, and denying it is just as wrongheaded as saying all chemicals are BAD, or even more so. You seem to have the same frame of mind as a doctor I once interviewed who got furious with me when I questioned him: Of COURSE we're healthier now, we have six times as many hospitals! LOL! And you are right about one thing Nancy, it never stops! What kind of biohazard suit do you live in? What do you use to wipe your as Oh, nevermind! You can apologise for that, to Nancy and to the list, and make it snappy. Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner At 12:54 PM 9/1/2005, Nancy Canning said something like: Health-Report Comment: Well folks, it never stops does it? How many of you would ever have thought, a ubiquitous substance such as good ol' Petroleum Jelly or Vaseline as so many of us have come to call it over the last 50 years, is now a suspected and probable carcinogen because of the way it is manufactured?. Contaminants from petrolatum are being found in most breast cancer tissues which have been studied in recent times. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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I guess all these toxins killing us explains why our life expectancy keeps going up. And you are right about one thing Nancy, it never stops! What kind of biohazard suit do you live in? What do you use to wipe your as Oh, nevermind! At 12:54 PM 9/1/2005, Nancy Canning said something like: Health-Report Comment: Well folks, it never stops does it? How many of you would ever have thought, a ubiquitous substance such as good ol' Petroleum Jelly or Vaseline as so many of us have come to call it over the last 50 years, is now a suspected and probable carcinogen because of the way it is manufactured?. Contaminants from petrolatum are being found in most breast cancer tissues which have been studied in recent times. You know, I keep beating the same drum about these so called safe chemicals! Just because we have become used to using synthetic chemicals on the skin, it doesn't mean to say they have been beneficial in the long run to our health. FAR FROM IT! In fact, some of these toxic chemicals, may well have contributed to the cancer, a friend or loved one of yours, contracted and died from, in recent times. Yes we all know people, loved ones and friends who have been cut down by this cancer scourge. Every single one of us in Westernized society, knows someone who has died of cancer in the last 12 months. It's a frightening and awful reality, that the rate we contract cancer, is approaching 1 in every 2 people and will probably exceed this rate within twenty years! It's only YOU who can do something about it by educating people you know to the dangers and by voting NO to chemicals simply by reading the labels! If the label has words on it you can't pronounce, then put it back on the shelf and don't run the risk of doing long term damage to your own health. You need to start explaining to people you know about reading labels and keeping the toxic chemicals out of their system. You can actually be paid to do this if you join the Organic Movement and promote safe non toxic products like we do here at the Health-Report website. CERTIFIED ORGANIC is the only guarantee you have of being chemical free. If you support the organic industry then you will not only be healthier and happier but you are also helping to save the planet from an impending disaster! You have one life - live it safely by avoiding chemicals! - Original Message - From: Myk Hill To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Whenever I use a deoderant with this Propylene Glycol in it, my skin breaks out in hives. So generally stay away from anything that contains it. (Poison) no matter how you look at it. FDA has also listed Aspartame as a Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway so I use Stevia or raw cane sugar that is not bleached whenever possible. Splenda is not that great either since they use the same chlorinization process as what is done with most sugars and that's how they fool most people into thing that it is all made from sugar. --- Original Message The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has classified propylene glycol as generally recognized as safe, which means that it is acceptable for use in flavorings, drugs, and cosmetics, and as a direct food additive. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to mucous membranes or skin and is slowly and poorly absorbed through the skin. * Ingestion is the most important exposure route. Dermal absorption is negligible and does not contribute significantly to systemic toxicity. * Ethylene glycol is only mildly irritating to skin and mucous membranes and is not absorbed well through the skin or by inhalation. * Ingestion of ethylene glycol produces CNS depression which may be accompanied by nausea, vomiting, and abdominal cramps. * Metabolites of ethylene glycol produce severe metabolic acidosis and damage to the brain, heart, and kidneys. * Severe poisoning is potentially fatal if treatment is inadequate or delayed. * There are only a few reports on the adverse health effects in humans of chronic exposure to ethylene glycol. Irritation of the throat, mild headache, low backache, loss of consciousness, and nystagmus have been reported. These symptoms were resolved when the exposure ceased. * Ethylene glycol affects the body's chemistry by increasing the amount of acid, resulting in metabolic problems. Similar to ethylene glycol, propylene glycol increases the amount of acid in the body. However, larger amounts of propylene glycol are needed to cause this effect. * The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), and the EPA have not classified ethylene glycol and propylene glycol for carcinogenicity. Studies with people who used ethylene glycol did not show carcinogenic
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Myk Hill wrote: FDA has also listed Aspartame as a Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan. Any chance you have a primary source to back up your rather extraordinary statement? Searching the FDA website for aspartame turns up no such no evidence to support your claim. In fact, searching the FDA website turns up the following page: http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/qa-adf9.html which explicitly states that the FDA has concluded aspartame is safe. So while other groups, like CSPI, and even former FDA employees, like Arthur Evangelista, who may or may not have an agenda of their own, claim aspartame is a neurotoxin, I don't think the statement that FDA lists aspartame as a neurotoxin holds up to the light of day. jh Why would you think that the FDA might not have an agenda of its own John? Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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). It was killed by the powerful drug and chemical lobbies, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting public. Since the Conference of the American College of Physicians, we hope to have the help of some world leaders. Again, please help us too. There are a lot of people out there who must be warned, please let them know this information. Thanks, Amy L. Meinstein - Oxy Chem. AP Legacy Support 972-404-3708. Health Report Comment; If we can believe the above article it is yet another example of a world gone mad with chemicals and being dominated by vested interests. In this case Monsanto. The company that is bringing us genetically modified crops which are more resistant to their chemicals so they can sell and use more of them! Make sure you get all the official truthful facts about aspartame from the www.aspartame.info website for a balanced view. This is the official site set up to rebut the overwhelming anecdotal and other evidence on the Internet about the bad effects of aspartame. Aspartame is a man-made chemical and plays no part in good natural health! GET THE CHEMICALS OUT OF YOUR LIFE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!! Toxic chemical overload. FREE E-Book | Ten FREE Cancer Reports Please pass this information onto a friend! - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Myk Hill wrote: FDA has also listed Aspartame as a Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan. Any chance you have a primary source to back up your rather extraordinary statement? Searching the FDA website for aspartame turns up no such no evidence to support your claim. In fact, searching the FDA website turns up the following page: http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/qa-adf9.html which explicitly states that the FDA has concluded aspartame is safe. So while other groups, like CSPI, and even former FDA employees, like Arthur Evangelista, who may or may not have an agenda of their own, claim aspartame is a neurotoxin, I don't think the statement that FDA lists aspartame as a neurotoxin holds up to the light of day. jh Why would you think that the FDA might not have an agenda of its own John? Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ cnvbull1.gif Description: GIF image attachment: home_figure.jpg ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Howdy Myk, Myk Hill wrote: Whenever I use a deoderant with this Propylene Glycol in it, my skin breaks out in hives. if so your reaction in fairly idiosyncratic, as I have not observed that with myself or numerous others, nor does the literature. So generally stay away from anything that contains it. (Poison) no matter how you look at it. FDA has also listed Aspartame as a Neurotoxin, do you have a reference for this, from the FDA? but there is many foods that contain it anyway so I use Stevia probably hundreds of millions of doses of nutrasweet have been used, What data do you draw from as to the safety of stevia? or raw cane sugar that is not bleached whenever possible. Splenda is not that great either since they use the same chlorinization process as what is done with most sugars what? sugar (sucrose) is chlorinated? no its not. and that's how they fool most people into thing that it is all made from sugar. you have completely lost me here. -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Nancy Canning wrote: What fun and games...I make a bet you believe that vaccinations of infants is also a good thing ha ha ha ha ha..propaganda -propaganda- propaganda. as I recall, childhood immunizations are one of the most cost effective health care options available. and who makes the money by passing off products that harm our health. For instance, you believe the pharmacutical industry in it's cancer treatments? The doctors and hospitals, insurance companies, and drug companies can't make any money of a healthy diet, vitamines, and herbal remedies. so nancy, you seem quite worried about your environment. What is safe to eat? what herbal remedies should we depend on and where do we get the information? who do you trust? So you guys are going to believe hook line and sinker all the bs FDA passes off. I am laughing so hard at your defending the FDA. Why do you think that products a few years ago touted Nutrasweet, and now they hadly ever label it on the packaging, it's listed in the ingredients under aspartame? snip Article written by Nancy Markle Ten FREE Cancer Reports I think that snopes.com has some authority on this list: see what they thing of the material snipped out. it is word for word from the infamous Nancy Markle. go to snopes.com and type nancy markle in the search box. you will find a link to this polemic contained therein -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Keith Addison wrote: Myk Hill wrote: FDA has also listed Aspartame as a Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan. Any chance you have a primary source to back up your rather extraordinary statement? Searching the FDA website for aspartame turns up no such no evidence to support your claim. In fact, searching the FDA website turns up the following page: http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/qa-adf9.html which explicitly states that the FDA has concluded aspartame is safe. So while other groups, like CSPI, and even former FDA employees, like Arthur Evangelista, who may or may not have an agenda of their own, claim aspartame is a neurotoxin, I don't think the statement that FDA lists aspartame as a neurotoxin holds up to the light of day. jh Why would you think that the FDA might not have an agenda of its own John? They certainly may Keith, but I'd hard pressed to figure out their motivation without invoking some nefarious Rumsfeldian kabal. You'll have to forgive me if I have a little more faith in broadly focused, science based professional organizations like the ADA, the AMA, the ACS, the WHO, the MS Society, etc, than I do in alarmist single-issue advocacy groups. But in this particular case, I was just trying to provide some sorely needed skeptism toward Myk's rather extraordinary statement. Cheers. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Nancy Canning wrote: So you guys are going to believe hook line and sinker all the bs FDA passes off. I am laughing so hard at your defending the FDA. I'm not defending the FDA here (nice red herring/strawman btw) - I just pointed out that the claim the FDA listed aspartame as a neurotoxin is 100% flat out untrue. The chemicals are bad schtick gets a little old after you've been on this list for a while. We get it: * chemicals are bad * vaccines cause autism * mercury leaches out of amalgam fillings * fluoride is a comunist/NWO plot * aspartame is poison * neotame is worse * rumsfeld and cheney are behind it all * we're all just blind sheep that are pawns to the bigs * natural is good * raw is better We're heard it all before. Maybe you could do us all a favor and actually look in the archives before you share next time. As Keith likes to point out, there is a handy dandy link to the archives at the bottom of every message you get. The doctors and hospitals, insurance companies, and drug companies can't make any money of a healthy diet, vitamines, and herbal remedies. Why do you think that doctors across the country tried to ban aspartame before it was released? Wait, now I'm confused. Are doctors trying to protect us or are they trying to poison us to make money. Which side of this epic struggle are they on? How am I to know if you can't even make up your mind in the same post? WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS FOUNDATION OF D.A. ISSUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTO Article written by Nancy Markle Ten FREE Cancer Reports I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE on ASPARTAME marketed as NutraSweet, Equal, and Spoonful. In the keynote address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic of MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS and SYSTEMIC LUPUS, and they did not understand what toxin was causing this to be rampant across the United States. I explained that I was there to lecture on exactly that subject. Wow Nancy. That's really interesting, especially since: a) Nancy Markle doesn't exist, or at least no one by that name is known to do research on MS, lupus or aspartame. In fact, the original source of the document you cut n' pasted is originally from a Usenet posting in 1995 by Betty Martini that was modified by an unknown person and attributed to the mythical Ms. Markle. Searching groups.google.com will turn up postings from Ms. Martini as far back as 1996. b) Searching the EPA publication archive for World Environmental Congress returns ZERO hits. Go ahead and try it, I just did: http://www.epa.gov/epahome/pubsearch.html If the EPA gave the KEYNOTE talk at this WORLD conference, why doesn't anything come up? I guess the secret kabal got to them, eh? Analysis Shows Nearly 100% of Independent Research Finds Problems With Aspartame October 17, 1996 So which is it? 100%? less that 100%? This is sloppy emotional writing. An analysis of peer reviewed medical literature using MEDLINE and other databases was conducted by Ralph G. Walton, MD, Chairman, The Center for Behavioral Medicine, Professor of Clinical Psychiatry, Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine. Dr. Walton analyzed 164 studies which were felt to have relevance to human safety questions. Of those studies, 74 studies had aspartame industry-related sponsorship and 90 were funded without any industry money. That's interesting too, since a PubMed search for walton and aspartame brings up exactly two relevent references, neither of which is a systematic review of literature. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Searchdb=PubMedterm=walton+aspartame The first paper is a experimental study on the effects of aspartame in psychiatric patients. The study was designed to recruit 40 patients and 40 controls; in reality only 8 patients and 5 controls were enrolled before the university safety committee (the IRB) shut down the study due to excessive adverse events in patient population. This could be because the aspartame truly caused that many problems in the patients, or it could be because of other serious ethical/methological problems. The second reference is first a technical critique of the study and then a rebuttal by Walton. Thus, your faith in Dr Walton is rather interesting since Walton is not a toxicologist at all, but rather a psychiatrist that has published a single study on aspartame, and that one study is disputed. The fact that he is the Chairman of The Center for Behavioral Medicine at the Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine is, in fact, completely irrelevent and is nothing more than an appeal to authority, and a weak one at that. Cheers! jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
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that would have warned all infants, pregnant mothers and children of the dangers of aspartame. The bill would have also instituted independent studies on the problems existing in the population (seizures, changes in brain chemistry, changes in neurological and behavioural symptoms). It was killed by the powerful drug and chemical lobbies, letting loose the hounds of disease and death on an unsuspecting public. Since the Conference of the American College of Physicians, we hope to have the help of some world leaders. Again, please help us too. There are a lot of people out there who must be warned, please let them know this information. Thanks, Amy L. Meinstein - Oxy Chem. AP Legacy Support 972-404-3708. Health Report Comment; If we can believe the above article it is yet another example of a world gone mad with chemicals and being dominated by vested interests. In this case Monsanto. The company that is bringing us genetically modified crops which are more resistant to their chemicals so they can sell and use more of them! Make sure you get all the official truthful facts about aspartame from the www.aspartame.info website for a balanced view. This is the official site set up to rebut the overwhelming anecdotal and other evidence on the Internet about the bad effects of aspartame. Aspartame is a man-made chemical and plays no part in good natural health! GET THE CHEMICALS OUT OF YOUR LIFE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!! Toxic chemical overload. FREE E-Book | Ten FREE Cancer Reports Please pass this information onto a friend! - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Myk Hill wrote: FDA has also listed Aspartame as a Neurotoxin, but there is many foods that contain it anyway Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan. Any chance you have a primary source to back up your rather extraordinary statement? Searching the FDA website for aspartame turns up no such no evidence to support your claim. In fact, searching the FDA website turns up the following page: http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/qa-adf9.html which explicitly states that the FDA has concluded aspartame is safe. So while other groups, like CSPI, and even former FDA employees, like Arthur Evangelista, who may or may not have an agenda of their own, claim aspartame is a neurotoxin, I don't think the statement that FDA lists aspartame as a neurotoxin holds up to the light of day. jh Why would you think that the FDA might not have an agenda of its own John? Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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What is Propylene Glycol? Not as bad as it sounds from this article. Yes, the main ingredient in anti-freeze is in all of these products. Shocked? You should be! Anti-freeze is something that lowers the freezing point of water. That's not shocking; sugar or salt will do that. Also, it is misleading to discuss anti-freeze without mentioning that both propylene and ethylene glycol are commonly used for this purpose (and that ethylene glycol is the one associated with the traditional toxic effects of automotive anti-freeze). PROPYLENE GLYCOL is used in: Anti-Freeze * Brake and Hydraulic Fluid * De-Icer * Paints and Coatings * Floor Wax * Laundry Detergents * Pet Food * Tobacco * Cosmetics * Toothpastes * Shampoos * Deodorants * Lotions * Processed Foods and many more personal care items. Check out your body lotions, deodorant, hair conditioner, hair gel, creams, and many more products! So it's a common chemical. That's still not cause for concern. By the way, many of those items also contain Dihydrogen Monoxide! See http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html if you are not familiar with this potentially-lethal substance. Propylene Glycol serves as a Humectant - a substance that helps retain moisture content, or simply -it prevents things from drying out. Also not cause for concern. A published clinical review showed propylene glycol causes a significant number of reactions and was a primary irritant to the skin even in low levels of concentrations. The American Academy of Dermatologists, Inc; Jan. 1991 Studies like this _are_ worth pointing out. It would be a shorter and more useful article if it stuck to references like this. Has anyone or any company tested the long-range side effects from constant use of these products? We haven't found any. Do these complex chemicals build up in our bodies? If Propylene Glycol keeps things from drying out - how? If it's absorbed into our bloodstream and into our cells, what does it do? Does it affect any of the simple, natural biological functions at the cellular level? You don't need a study to say - it's possible, even likely. Those are good questions. It sounds like it's worth studying. I expect that many of the answers are known already (e.g. someone previously mentioning that PG is metabolized to pyruvate). Here's a quick Google result that talks about it: http://yarchive.net/med/antifreeze_eat.html You do need a conclusive study to make the producers stop using these ingredients! The previous paragraph was all about not knowing what PG did in the body. The article now assumes that if the studies were done, the results would support the hypothesis that it's dangerous. That's not good science. The MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for Propylene Glycol says: May be harmful by ingestion or skin absorption. May cause eye irritation, skin irritation. Chronic exposure can cause gastro-intestinal disturbances, nausea, headache and vomiting, central nervous system depression. There's an MSDS here: http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p6928.htm It says for example Ingestion: Relatively non-toxic. Ingestion of sizable amount (over 100ml) may cause some gastrointestinal upset and temporary central nervous system depression. Effects appear more severe in individuals with kidney problems. So it's not harmless, but it's safer than something like ethanol: http://www.herc.org/msds/chemicals/ethanol.htm PG can have an anesthetic effect. Other side effects on animals exposed to PG include heart arrhythmia, stunted growth, decreased blood pressure, and even death. Possibly valid points, but what conditions, concentrations, durations of exposure, etc? Without sufficient context it's difficult to assess the severity of these effects. sheet (MSDS) and it may alarm you to find that this common, widely used humectant has a cautionary warning in its MSDS that reads, If on skin: thoroughly wash with soap and water! What? Aren't we putting this stuff on our skins daily, sometimes in copious amounts over long periods of time? That sounds like standard boilerplate for an MSDS. Sodium chloride (table salt) carries a similar warning. http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/S3338.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hello Mike snip By the way, many of those items also contain Dihydrogen Monoxide! See http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html if you are not familiar with this potentially-lethal substance. It was funny the first time but less funny the 19th time. http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=andformat=shortc onfig=biofuel_sustainablelists_orgrestrict=exclude=words=%22Dihydro gen+Monoxide%22 Or: http://snipurl.com/hb53 Search results for 'Dihydrogen Monoxide' To save everyone the trouble, Dihydrogen Monoxide = H2O = water. The award-winning U.S. scientist Nathan Zohner was a 14-year-old college student who wrote it in 1997, having first lifted it off the Internet where it had been circulating for ages. It's addressed at the gullibility of other 14-year-old students, but is often used as an amusing sneer at allegedly naive and over-anxious people who don't trust the chemical corporations, which on the contrary you'd have to be extremely naive to trust, as well as blind. See snopes, once again: http://www.snopes.com/toxins/dhmo.htm Urban Legends Reference Pages: Toxin du jour (Dihydrogen Monoxide) Best wishes Keith snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Nancy Canning wrote: - Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Nancy Canning wrote: Propylene glycol as it is used tons and tons of products including industrial cleaners, shampoo's, toothpaste, creams, etc. It is very toxic, the industry even has it in children's prescriptions. Wonder if this type of propylene glycol has less poison/carcinogenic toxicity qualities vrs what is out there right now? Anybody have any info? Nancy. You are mistakenly confusing ethylene glycol with propylene glycol. Both can be used as antifreeze or deicers, but they have very different metabolic fates in the body. Thus, ethylene glycol is toxic while propylene glycol is food safe. What is Propylene Glycol? Propylene Glycol (PG, Polyethylene Glycol (PEG), Butylene Glycol (BG) and Ethylene Glycol (EG) are all petroleum derivatives that act as solvents, surfactants, and wetting agents. They can easily penetrate the skin, and can weaken protein and cellular structure. In fact, PG penetrates the skin so quickly that the EPA warns factory workers to avoid skin contact, to prevent brain, liver, and kidney abnormalities. PG is present in many stick deodorants, often in heavier concentration than in most industrial applications. (Nyack, Dr. Vin, Ph.D., Biochemist; personal communication). And Propylene Glycol is what is used to carry the active ingredients in those transdermal patches INTO YOUR BODY Imagine a bottle of Anti-Freeze in a picture with shampoos, deodorants, cosmetics, lotions and toothpastes? The question you should be asking is .. What's Anti-Freeze doing IN my shampoos, deodorants, cosmetics, lotions and toothpaste? Yes, the main ingredient in anti-freeze is in all of these products. Shocked? You should be! http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profile.html jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
- Original Message - From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine Nancy Canning wrote: Propylene glycol as it is used tons and tons of products including industrial cleaners, shampoo's, toothpaste, creams, etc. It is very toxic, the industry even has it in children's prescriptions. Wonder if this type of propylene glycol has less poison/carcinogenic toxicity qualities vrs what is out there right now? Anybody have any info? Nancy. You are mistakenly confusing ethylene glycol with propylene glycol. Both can be used as antifreeze or deicers, but they have very different metabolic fates in the body. Thus, ethylene glycol is toxic while propylene glycol is food safe. What is Propylene Glycol? Propylene Glycol (PG, Polyethylene Glycol (PEG), Butylene Glycol (BG) and Ethylene Glycol (EG) are all petroleum derivatives that act as solvents, surfactants, and wetting agents. They can easily penetrate the skin, and can weaken protein and cellular structure. In fact, PG penetrates the skin so quickly that the EPA warns factory workers to avoid skin contact, to prevent brain, liver, and kidney abnormalities. PG is present in many stick deodorants, often in heavier concentration than in most industrial applications. (Nyack, Dr. Vin, Ph.D., Biochemist; personal communication). And Propylene Glycol is what is used to carry the active ingredients in those transdermal patches INTO YOUR BODY Imagine a bottle of Anti-Freeze in a picture with shampoos, deodorants, cosmetics, lotions and toothpastes? The question you should be asking is .. What's Anti-Freeze doing IN my shampoos, deodorants, cosmetics, lotions and toothpaste? Yes, the main ingredient in anti-freeze is in all of these products. Shocked? You should be! You need to understand what it could do to your health. PROPYLENE GLYCOL is a colorless, viscous, hygroscopic liquid CH3CHOHCH2OH, used in anti-freeze solutions, in hydraulic fluids, and as a solvent. Also called Propanediol American Heritage Encyclopedia Dictionary PROPYLENE GLYCOL is used in: Anti-Freeze * Brake and Hydraulic Fluid * De-Icer * Paints and Coatings * Floor Wax * Laundry Detergents * Pet Food * Tobacco * Cosmetics * Toothpastes * Shampoos * Deodorants * Lotions * Processed Foods and many more personal care items. Check out your body lotions, deodorant, hair conditioner, hair gel, creams, and many more products! Propylene Glycol serves as a Humectant - a substance that helps retain moisture content, or simply -it prevents things from drying out. That's why some pet foods are soft and chewy. This, of course, is a good reason it's in cosmetics and other personal care items. It makes the skin feel moist and soft. And, the products don't dry out. Propylene Glycol is also found in baby wipes and even some processed foods! Go Ahead, check your labels! A published clinical review showed propylene glycol causes a significant number of reactions and was a primary irritant to the skin even in low levels of concentrations. The American Academy of Dermatologists, Inc; Jan. 1991 What can PROPYLENE GLYCOL Do To Us? In 1938, the FDA grandfathered the use of several ingredients as safe for personal care items, with restrictions of course. Based on what? There were no studies on repeated exposure over time. The problem is PROPYLENE GLYCOL may be absorbed through the skin. Studies have shown SYSTEMIC retention (residue throughout). NOW THIS OPENS UP A WHOLE NEW BALL GAME! Has anyone or any company tested the long-range side effects from constant use of these products? We haven't found any. Do these complex chemicals build up in our bodies? If Propylene Glycol keeps things from drying out - how? If it's absorbed into our bloodstream and into our cells, what does it do? Does it affect any of the simple, natural biological functions at the cellular level? You don't need a study to say - it's possible, even likely. You do need a conclusive study to make the producers stop using these ingredients! Yes, this is beginning to sound like another great American Tobacco Scandal. But before you get complacent and think the government is going to step in - think again. Look how long it has taken the cigarette pushers to get grilled - 20 years after the first Surgeon General's report.. The MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for Propylene Glycol says: May be harmful by ingestion or skin absorption. May cause eye irritation, skin irritation. Chronic exposure can cause gastro-intestinal disturbances, nausea, headache and vomiting, central nervous system depression. (Toxicological profile for ethylene glycol and propylene glycol (update). Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), 1996. Atlanta, Ga; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service.) Propylene glycol
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
You can make monoglycerides by reacting glycerol with FAME in mixed phase solvent systems. These are used as emulsifiers in food and pharmaceutical products. Ken__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Hello Chris the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris Thanks, but we had it before: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003069.html [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel Note it comes from http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/, not green-trust.org. Best wishes Keith = From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: biodiesel - glycerin - propylene glycol Renewable Alternatives, has developed a process for converting glycerin, a byproduct of the biodiesel production process, into propylene glycol. Propylene glycol can be used as nontoxic antifreeze for automobiles. Suppes said this technology can reduce the cost of biodiesel production by as much as $0.40 per gallon of biodiesel. The market for propylene glycol already is established, with a billion pounds produced a year. Read more at http://www.green-trust.org http://www.green-trust.org/2005/08/glycerin-biodiesel-byproduct-makes.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Propylene glycol as it is used tons and tons of products including industrial cleaners, shampoo's, toothpaste, creams, etc. It is very toxic, the industry even has it in children's prescriptions. Wonder if this type of propylene glycol has less poison/carcinogenic toxicity qualities vrs what is out there right now? Anybody have any info? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris = From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: biodiesel - glycerin - propylene glycol Renewable Alternatives, has developed a process for converting glycerin, a byproduct of the biodiesel production process, into propylene glycol. Propylene glycol can be used as nontoxic antifreeze for automobiles. Suppes said this technology can reduce the cost of biodiesel production by as much as $0.40 per gallon of biodiesel. The market for propylene glycol already is established, with a billion pounds produced a year. Read more at http://www.green-trust.org http://www.green-trust.org/2005/08/glycerin-biodiesel-byproduct-makes.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Nancy Canning wrote: Propylene glycol as it is used tons and tons of products including industrial cleaners, shampoo's, toothpaste, creams, etc. It is very toxic, the industry even has it in children's prescriptions. Wonder if this type of propylene glycol has less poison/carcinogenic toxicity qualities vrs what is out there right now? Anybody have any info? Nancy. You are mistakenly confusing ethylene glycol with propylene glycol. Both can be used as antifreeze or deicers, but they have very different metabolic fates in the body. Thus, ethylene glycol is toxic while propylene glycol is food safe. http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp96-c1.pdf jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
Nanny, you are right that propylene glycol is used in numerous products, due to its relative non-toxicity. Are you confusing nontoxic propylene glycol with toxic ethylene glycol? for an msds see http://www.the-buying-group.com/pgmsds.php propylene glycol is metabolized in the body via oxidation to pyruvate, an ever so normal metabolite of all carbohydrate we eat. Nancy Canning wrote: Propylene glycol as it is used tons and tons of products including industrial cleaners, shampoo's, toothpaste, creams, etc. It is very toxic, the industry even has it in children's prescriptions. Wonder if this type of propylene glycol has less poison/carcinogenic toxicity qualities vrs what is out there right now? Anybody have any info? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris = From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: biodiesel - glycerin - propylene glycol Renewable Alternatives, has developed a process for converting glycerin, a byproduct of the biodiesel production process, into propylene glycol. Propylene glycol can be used as nontoxic antifreeze for automobiles. Suppes said this technology can reduce the cost of biodiesel production by as much as $0.40 per gallon of biodiesel. The market for propylene glycol already is established, with a billion pounds produced a year. Read more at http://www.green-trust.org http://www.green-trust.org/2005/08/glycerin-biodiesel-byproduct-makes.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
If propylene glycol is an antifreeze, couldn't it be added to bioD in winter? Or am I showing my naivity? ;) Renewable Alternatives, has developed a process for converting glycerin, a byproduct of the biodiesel production process, into propylene glycol.Propylene glycol can be used as nontoxic antifreeze for automobiles.-- -Sir Woody Hackswell ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris = From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: biodiesel - glycerin - propylene glycol Renewable Alternatives, has developed a process for converting glycerin, a byproduct of the biodiesel production process, into propylene glycol. Propylene glycol can be used as nontoxic antifreeze for automobiles. Suppes said this technology can reduce the cost of biodiesel production by as much as $0.40 per gallon of biodiesel. The market for propylene glycol already is established, with a billion pounds produced a year. Read more at http://www.green-trust.org http://www.green-trust.org/2005/08/glycerin-biodiesel-byproduct-makes.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
