Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Keith Addison]

ional.

Keeping water as a public trust is paramount to maintaining 
ecologically healthy communities and safe, affordable drinking water 
for everyone. "The political power of Nestlé is quite significant," 
said Kellett. "They have been able to negotiate behind closed doors, 
and we want to expose this."

In McCloud, Nestlé is literally locking up a spring that has been a 
part of the public commons and a place for people to visit and 
appreciate. And for the Winnemem Wintu, it is also a sacred place. 
"We believe this is a public trust issue," said Mark Franco of the 
tribe. "We have to protect the water, not just for ourselves, but for 
everyone. That water doesn't belong to us. We don't claim it. How can 
you mitigate the loss of something like that when they are mitigating 
your people's history and landscape?"

Across the country, organizations like Corporate Accountability 
International are launching initiatives to help people "think outside 
the bottle" and realize the environmental and social implications of 
drinking bottled water. They are also urging communities to enact 
legislation to protect their water resources from corporate abuse and 
for people to help support rural communities that are challenging 
multinationals with unlimited financial resources.

The stakes are high. "Companies like Nestlé are threatening local and 
democratic control of water," said Kellett. "But people are starting 
to realize that. We are beginning to see a more informed and 
concerned public. Over and over we hear communities saying, 'Our 
water is not for sale.'"

Tara Lohan is a managing editor at AlterNet.

© 2007 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved.
View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/52526/



>This is causing problems all over the world.
>
>Keith
>
>
>>Hey Zeke;
>>
>>With regard to the bottling company here is something for you to 
>>think about.Ý Around here there has been a massive organization 
>>that has sprung up (no pun) against Nestle corp who are pulling 
>>millions of litres a day out of our aquifer and sending it out of 
>>the watershed on a convoy of trucks every day. This site;
>>
>><http://www.wellingtonwaterwatchers.ca/>http://www.wellingtonwaterwa 
>>tchers.ca/
>>
>>Has details about it, why it is bad and why we should be putting a 
>>stop to it.Ý If you think it is important ( and it is) you might 
>>want to use this site to model your own action group to protect 
>>your water. WATER IS THE COMMONS AND BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE NOT 
>>CORPORATIONS!!
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>>
>>>My town water is unchlorinated untreated water off some sort of of 
>>>alpine glacier.Ý They test the heck out of it for organics weekly 
>>>and it's always come up good.Ý People drive here from miles around 
>>>to fill their drinking water containers. And one bottled water 
>>>company uses town water as their source.
>>>
>>>However, there are alot of mines around here -- a federal 
>>>superfund site about 3 miles below town, and according to some 
>>>people, alot more that should be.ÝÝ I wonder how much heavy metals 
>>>are leached into the drinking water -- most of the mines are below 
>>>the source, but I don't know if ALL of them are.ÝÝ It would be 
>>>interesting to send a sample in for testing.
>>>
>>>
>>>Z
>>>
>>>On 5/30/07, Kirk McLoren 
>>><<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>the fluoride in our water isnt from treatment
>>>The well is toxic
>>>
>>>Jason Mier <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>we finally got moved in to our house, and i never got any notices in the
>>>utility bill. my guess is that- given the fact i can see the town's well,
>>>tower, and pump shack from my driveway we dont get chemically treated
>>>water...
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: Joe Street
>>> >Reply-To: 
>>><mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>> >To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>>> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can
>>> >kill...
>>> >Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:37:27 -0400
>>> >
>>> >ROFL is it a waiver? LOL maybe one day that'll be the norm. They'll have
>>> >another one when you register to vote. Waive your rights or you can't vote
>>> >buddy. 

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Kirk McLoren]

sounds like they have a fat hog by the @$$
  probably pay their workers huge sums - right? LOL

Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Well I'm not sure what their costs would be.  They pump the water out of the 
aquifer themselves so it's only the energy and maintenance costs there, and 
they manufacture all the bottles here as well and it's probably only a few 
cents worth of plastic plus again energy, maintenance and oh yes some labour 
but still it has to be an insane profit margin. even if they cleared 50 cents 
on each 500 ml bottle that's $3.6M a day.  But to me more than the greed it is 
the way they are raping the local watershed and the other environmental faux 
pas which are the worst concern.  If people are dumb enough to give them that 
much money then what can you say?  But people should not be dumb enough to let 
them just walk away with the commons.  That's huge.  Then there's the Bisphenol 
-A issue from the plastic.  That's another huge one but not just specific to 
this industry or this case.  That one is of global concern.

J

Kirk McLoren wrote:
3.6 million a day. How much do you think they make on each bottle?
  

Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hey Zeke;

With regard to the bottling company here is something for you to think about.  
Around here there has been a massive organization that has sprung up (no pun) 
against Nestle corp who are pulling millions of litres a day out of our aquifer 
and sending it out of the watershed on a convoy of trucks every day. This site;

http://www.wellingtonwaterwatchers.ca/

Has details about it, why it is bad and why we should be putting a stop to it.  
If you think it is important ( and it is) you might want to use this site to 
model your own action group to protect your water. WATER IS THE COMMONS AND 
BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE NOT CORPORATIONS!!

Joe

Zeke Yewdall wrote:
  My town water is unchlorinated untreated water off some sort of of alpine 
glacier.  They test the heck out of it for organics weekly and it's always come 
up good.  People drive here from miles around to fill their drinking water 
containers. And one bottled water company uses town water as their source. 

However, there are alot of mines around here -- a federal superfund site about 
3 miles below town, and according to some people, alot more that should be.   I 
wonder how much heavy metals are leached into the drinking water -- most of the 
mines are below the source, but I don't know if ALL of them are.   It would be 
interesting to send a sample in for testing. 


Z

  On 5/30/07, Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the fluoride in our 
water isnt from treatment
  The well is toxic

Jason Mier < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  we finally got moved in to our house, and i never got any notices in the 
utility bill. my guess is that- given the fact i can see the town's well, 
tower, and pump shack from my driveway we dont get chemically treated 
water...


>From: Joe Street 
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can 
>kill...
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:37:27 -0400
>
>ROFL is it a waiver? LOL maybe one day that'll be the norm. They'll have 
>another one when you register to vote. Waive your rights or you can't vote 
>buddy. LOL
>
>Joe
>
>Kirk McLoren wrote:
>
>>LOL
>>yeah - when you sign up for water and trash you get a paper from the EPA.
>> Kirk
>>
>>*/Joe Street /* wrote:
>>
>> Huh? The city warns its people not to drink the water it provides
>> for them? Now I've heard everything. How many people have sued
>> for damages I wonder. That makes about as much sense as the notion 
>> of trusting officials we elect to represent our interests. Your
>> explanation makes sense. Inhalation, not skin adsorption. Yes
>> there's a lot of water going by and the heat helps liberate the 
>> disolved gas.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>>
>>> I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
>>> The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people
>>> prefer bottled beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
>>> I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to
>>> cause fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant 
>>> women and children not to drink the water.
>>> Kirk
>>>
  >>> */Joe Street /* wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Kirk; 
>>>
>>> It's this last bit that has got my attention;
>>>
>>> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>>>
>>> SNIP
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet 

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Joe Street]

Well I'm not sure what their costs would be.  They pump the water out of 
the aquifer themselves so it's only the energy and maintenance costs 
there, and they manufacture all the bottles here as well and it's 
probably only a few cents worth of plastic plus again energy, 
maintenance and oh yes some labour but still it has to be an insane 
profit margin. even if they cleared 50 cents on each 500 ml bottle 
that's $3.6M a day.  But to me more than the greed it is the way they 
are raping the local watershed and the other environmental faux pas 
which are the worst concern.  If people are dumb enough to give them 
that much money then what can you say?  But people should not be dumb 
enough to let them just walk away with the commons.  That's huge.  Then 
there's the Bisphenol -A issue from the plastic.  That's another huge 
one but not just specific to this industry or this case.  That one is of 
global concern.


J

Kirk McLoren wrote:


3.6 million a day. How much do you think they make on each bottle?


*/Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

Hey Zeke;

With regard to the bottling company here is something for you to
think about.  Around here there has been a massive organization
that has sprung up (no pun) against Nestle corp who are pulling
millions of litres a day out of our aquifer and sending it out of
the watershed on a convoy of trucks every day. This site;

http://www.wellingtonwaterwatchers.ca/

Has details about it, why it is bad and why we should be putting a
stop to it.  If you think it is important ( and it is) you might
want to use this site to model your own action group to protect
your water. WATER IS THE COMMONS AND BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE NOT
CORPORATIONS!!

Joe

Zeke Yewdall wrote:


My town water is unchlorinated untreated water off some sort of
of alpine glacier.  They test the heck out of it for organics
weekly and it's always come up good.  People drive here from
miles around to fill their drinking water containers. And one
bottled water company uses town water as their source.

However, there are alot of mines around here -- a federal
superfund site about 3 miles below town, and according to some
people, alot more that should be.   I wonder how much heavy
metals are leached into the drinking water -- most of the mines
are below the source, but I don't know if ALL of them are.   It
would be interesting to send a sample in for testing.


Z

On 5/30/07, *Kirk McLoren* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

the fluoride in our water isnt from treatment
The well is toxic

*/Jason Mier < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* wrote:

we finally got moved in to our house, and i never got any
notices in the
utility bill. my guess is that- given the fact i can see
the town's well,
tower, and pump shack from my driveway we dont get
chemically treated
water...



From: Joe Street
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org

<mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>

To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org

    <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>

Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can
kill...
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:37:27 -0400

ROFL is it a waiver? LOL maybe one day that'll be the

norm. They'll have

another one when you register to vote. Waive your rights

or you can't vote

buddy. LOL

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


LOL
yeah - when you sign up for water and trash you get a

paper from the EPA.

Kirk

*/Joe Street /* wrote:

Huh? The city warns its people not to drink the water

it provides

for them? Now I've heard everything. How many people

have sued

for damages I wonder. That makes about as much sense as

the notion

of trusting officials we elect to represent our

interests. Your

explanation makes sense. Inhalation, not skin

adsorption. Yes

there's a lot of water going by and the heat helps

liberate the

disolved gas.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the

shower.

The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many

people

prefer bottled beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is

enough to

cause fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage

pregnant

women and children not to drink the water.
Kirk

*/Joe Street /* wrote:

Hey Kirk;

It's this last bit that has got my attention;

Kirk McLoren wrote:

SNIP



Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet
there was a reason. Despite taking care to drink only
b

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Kirk McLoren]

3.6 million a day. How much do you think they make on each bottle?
  

Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hey Zeke;

With regard to the bottling company here is something for you to think about.  
Around here there has been a massive organization that has sprung up (no pun) 
against Nestle corp who are pulling millions of litres a day out of our aquifer 
and sending it out of the watershed on a convoy of trucks every day. This site;

http://www.wellingtonwaterwatchers.ca/

Has details about it, why it is bad and why we should be putting a stop to it.  
If you think it is important ( and it is) you might want to use this site to 
model your own action group to protect your water. WATER IS THE COMMONS AND 
BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE NOT CORPORATIONS!!

Joe

Zeke Yewdall wrote:
  My town water is unchlorinated untreated water off some sort of of alpine 
glacier.  They test the heck out of it for organics weekly and it's always come 
up good.  People drive here from miles around to fill their drinking water 
containers. And one bottled water company uses town water as their source. 

However, there are alot of mines around here -- a federal superfund site about 
3 miles below town, and according to some people, alot more that should be.   I 
wonder how much heavy metals are leached into the drinking water -- most of the 
mines are below the source, but I don't know if ALL of them are.   It would be 
interesting to send a sample in for testing. 


Z

  On 5/30/07, Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: the fluoride in our 
water isnt from treatment
  The well is toxic

Jason Mier < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  we finally got moved in to our house, and i never got any notices in the 
utility bill. my guess is that- given the fact i can see the town's well, 
tower, and pump shack from my driveway we dont get chemically treated 
water...


>From: Joe Street 
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can 
>kill...
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:37:27 -0400
>
>ROFL is it a waiver? LOL maybe one day that'll be the norm. They'll have 
>another one when you register to vote. Waive your rights or you can't vote 
>buddy. LOL
>
>Joe
>
>Kirk McLoren wrote:
>
>>LOL
>>yeah - when you sign up for water and trash you get a paper from the EPA.
>> Kirk
>>
>>*/Joe Street /* wrote:
>>
>> Huh? The city warns its people not to drink the water it provides
>> for them? Now I've heard everything. How many people have sued
>> for damages I wonder. That makes about as much sense as the notion 
>> of trusting officials we elect to represent our interests. Your
>> explanation makes sense. Inhalation, not skin adsorption. Yes
>> there's a lot of water going by and the heat helps liberate the 
>> disolved gas.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>>
>>> I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
>>> The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people
>>> prefer bottled beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
>>> I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to
>>> cause fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant 
>>> women and children not to drink the water.
>>> Kirk
>>>
  >>> */Joe Street /* wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Kirk; 
>>>
>>> It's this last bit that has got my attention;
>>>
>>> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>>>
>>> SNIP
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet 
>>>> there was a reason. Despite taking care to drink only
>>>> bottled water, Lester didn't know that *much more of the
>>>> pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin 
>>>> from bathing and washing clothes.
>>>> *
>>>> Poor Lester.
>>>>
>>>> *Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants
>>>> is known to occur via dermal absorption, no studies have 
>>>> ever been done to determine the toxicity of pollution
>>>> scrubber liquor the fluoride used in water fluoridation
>>>> schemes.
>>>> *
>>>> 
>>>
>>> Now I have heard this several times over the last little
>>> while with regard to chlorine in tap water. It doesn't make
>>> sense to me that my body would adsorb more chlorine (or 
>>> flourine or any other toxin) from water through skin contact
>>> than by drinking it. When I drink water the entire amount
>>> goes inside and has to be pr

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Keith Addison]

This is causing problems all over the world.

Keith


>Hey Zeke;
>
>With regard to the bottling company here is something for you to 
>think about.Ý Around here there has been a massive organization that 
>has sprung up (no pun) against Nestle corp who are pulling millions 
>of litres a day out of our aquifer and sending it out of the 
>watershed on a convoy of trucks every day. This site;
>
><http://www.wellingtonwaterwatchers.ca/>http://www.wellingtonwaterwatchers.ca/
>
>Has details about it, why it is bad and why we should be putting a 
>stop to it.Ý If you think it is important ( and it is) you might 
>want to use this site to model your own action group to protect your 
>water. WATER IS THE COMMONS AND BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE NOT 
>CORPORATIONS!!
>
>Joe
>
>Zeke Yewdall wrote:
>
>>My town water is unchlorinated untreated water off some sort of of 
>>alpine glacier.Ý They test the heck out of it for organics weekly 
>>and it's always come up good.Ý People drive here from miles around 
>>to fill their drinking water containers. And one bottled water 
>>company uses town water as their source.
>>
>>However, there are alot of mines around here -- a federal superfund 
>>site about 3 miles below town, and according to some people, alot 
>>more that should be.ÝÝ I wonder how much heavy metals are leached 
>>into the drinking water -- most of the mines are below the source, 
>>but I don't know if ALL of them are.ÝÝ It would be interesting to 
>>send a sample in for testing.
>>
>>
>>Z
>>
>>On 5/30/07, Kirk McLoren 
>><<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>the fluoride in our water isnt from treatment
>>The well is toxic
>>
>>Jason Mier <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>we finally got moved in to our house, and i never got any notices in the
>>utility bill. my guess is that- given the fact i can see the town's well,
>>tower, and pump shack from my driveway we dont get chemically treated
>>water...
>>
>>
>> >From: Joe Street
>> >Reply-To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> >To: <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can
>> >kill...
>> >Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:37:27 -0400
>> >
>> >ROFL is it a waiver? LOL maybe one day that'll be the norm. They'll have
>> >another one when you register to vote. Waive your rights or you can't vote
>> >buddy. LOL
>> >
>> >Joe
>> >
>> >Kirk McLoren wrote:
>> >
>> >>LOL
>> >>yeah - when you sign up for water and trash you get a paper from the EPA.
>> >> Kirk
>> >>
>> >>*/Joe Street /* wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Huh? The city warns its people not to drink the water it provides
>> >> for them? Now I've heard everything. How many people have sued
>> >> for damages I wonder. That makes about as much sense as the notion
>> >> of trusting officials we elect to represent our interests. Your
>> >> explanation makes sense. Inhalation, not skin adsorption. Yes
>> >> there's a lot of water going by and the heat helps liberate the
>> >> disolved gas.
>> >>
>> >> Joe
>> >>
>> >> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
>> >>> The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people
>> >>> prefer bottled beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
>> >>> I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to
>> >>> cause fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant
>> >>> women and children not to drink the water.
>> >>> Kirk
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> */Joe Street /* wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey Kirk;
>> >>>
>> >>> It's this last bit that has got my attention;
>> >>>
>> >>> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> SNIP
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet
>> >>>> there was a reason. Despite taking care to drink only
>> >>>> bottled water, Lester didn't know that *much more of the

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Joe Street]

Hey Zeke;

With regard to the bottling company here is something for you to think 
about.  Around here there has been a massive organization that has 
sprung up (no pun) against Nestle corp who are pulling millions of 
litres a day out of our aquifer and sending it out of the watershed on a 
convoy of trucks every day. This site;


http://www.wellingtonwaterwatchers.ca/

Has details about it, why it is bad and why we should be putting a stop 
to it.  If you think it is important ( and it is) you might want to use 
this site to model your own action group to protect your water. WATER IS 
THE COMMONS AND BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE NOT CORPORATIONS!!


Joe

Zeke Yewdall wrote:

My town water is unchlorinated untreated water off some sort of of 
alpine glacier.  They test the heck out of it for organics weekly and 
it's always come up good.  People drive here from miles around to fill 
their drinking water containers. And one bottled water company uses 
town water as their source.


However, there are alot of mines around here -- a federal superfund 
site about 3 miles below town, and according to some people, alot more 
that should be.   I wonder how much heavy metals are leached into the 
drinking water -- most of the mines are below the source, but I don't 
know if ALL of them are.   It would be interesting to send a sample in 
for testing.



Z

On 5/30/07, *Kirk McLoren* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


the fluoride in our water isnt from treatment
The well is toxic

*/Jason Mier < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* wrote:

we finally got moved in to our house, and i never got any
notices in the
utility bill. my guess is that- given the fact i can see the
town's well,
tower, and pump shack from my driveway we dont get chemically
treated
water...



From: Joe Street
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org

<mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>

To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org

<mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org>

Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can
kill...
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:37:27 -0400

ROFL is it a waiver? LOL maybe one day that'll be the norm.

They'll have

another one when you register to vote. Waive your rights or

you can't vote

buddy. LOL

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


LOL
yeah - when you sign up for water and trash you get a paper

from the EPA.

Kirk

*/Joe Street /* wrote:

Huh? The city warns its people not to drink the water it

provides

for them? Now I've heard everything. How many people have sued
for damages I wonder. That makes about as much sense as the

notion

of trusting officials we elect to represent our interests. Your
explanation makes sense. Inhalation, not skin adsorption. Yes
there's a lot of water going by and the heat helps liberate the
disolved gas.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people
prefer bottled beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to
cause fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant
women and children not to drink the water.
Kirk

*/Joe Street /* wrote:

Hey Kirk;

It's this last bit that has got my attention;

Kirk McLoren wrote:

SNIP



Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet
there was a reason. Despite taking care to drink only
bottled water, Lester didn't know that *much more of the
pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin
from bathing and washing clothes.
*
Poor Lester.

*Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants
is known to occur via dermal absorption, no studies have
ever been done to determine the toxicity of pollution
scrubber liquor the fluoride used in water fluoridation
schemes.
*



Now I have heard this several times over the last little
while with regard to chlorine in tap water. It doesn't make
sense to me that my body would adsorb more chlorine (or
flourine or any other toxin) from water through skin contact
than by drinking it. When I drink water the entire amount
goes inside and has to be processed before any of it comes
out again. The internal linings have evolved to be highly
adsorbing and I'm guessing that it is moreso than the skin.
I'd like to see the proof about this claim.

Joe
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Zeke Yewdall]

My town water is unchlorinated untreated water off some sort of of alpine
glacier.  They test the heck out of it for organics weekly and it's always
come up good.  People drive here from miles around to fill their drinking
water containers. And one bottled water company uses town water as their
source.

However, there are alot of mines around here -- a federal superfund site
about 3 miles below town, and according to some people, alot more that
should be.   I wonder how much heavy metals are leached into the drinking
water -- most of the mines are below the source, but I don't know if ALL of
them are.   It would be interesting to send a sample in for testing.


Z

On 5/30/07, Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


the fluoride in our water isnt from treatment
The well is toxic

*Jason Mier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:

we finally got moved in to our house, and i never got any notices in the
utility bill. my guess is that- given the fact i can see the town's well,
tower, and pump shack from my driveway we dont get chemically treated
water...


>From: Joe Street
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can
>kill...
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:37:27 -0400
>
>ROFL is it a waiver? LOL maybe one day that'll be the norm. They'll have
>another one when you register to vote. Waive your rights or you can't
vote
>buddy. LOL
>
>Joe
>
>Kirk McLoren wrote:
>
>>LOL
>>yeah - when you sign up for water and trash you get a paper from the
EPA.
>> Kirk
>>
>>*/Joe Street /* wrote:
>>
>> Huh? The city warns its people not to drink the water it provides
>> for them? Now I've heard everything. How many people have sued
>> for damages I wonder. That makes about as much sense as the notion
>> of trusting officials we elect to represent our interests. Your
>> explanation makes sense. Inhalation, not skin adsorption. Yes
>> there's a lot of water going by and the heat helps liberate the
>> disolved gas.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>>
>>> I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
>>> The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people
>>> prefer bottled beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
>>> I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to
>>> cause fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant
>>> women and children not to drink the water.
>>> Kirk
>>>
>>> */Joe Street /* wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Kirk;
>>>
>>> It's this last bit that has got my attention;
>>>
>>> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>>>
>>> SNIP
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet
>>>> there was a reason. Despite taking care to drink only
>>>> bottled water, Lester didn't know that *much more of the
>>>> pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin
>>>> from bathing and washing clothes.
>>>> *
>>>> Poor Lester.
>>>>
>>>> *Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants
>>>> is known to occur via dermal absorption, no studies have
>>>> ever been done to determine the toxicity of pollution
>>>> scrubber liquor the fluoride used in water fluoridation
>>>> schemes.
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>
>>> Now I have heard this several times over the last little
>>> while with regard to chlorine in tap water. It doesn't make
>>> sense to me that my body would adsorb more chlorine (or
>>> flourine or any other toxin) from water through skin contact
>>> than by drinking it. When I drink water the entire amount
>>> goes inside and has to be processed before any of it comes
>>> out again. The internal linings have evolved to be highly
>>> adsorbing and I'm guessing that it is moreso than the skin.
>>> I'd like to see the proof about this claim.
>>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Kirk McLoren]

the fluoride in our water isnt from treatment
  The well is toxic

Jason Mier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  we finally got moved in to our house, and i never got any notices in the 
utility bill. my guess is that- given the fact i can see the town's well, 
tower, and pump shack from my driveway we dont get chemically treated 
water...


>From: Joe Street 
>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can 
>kill...
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:37:27 -0400
>
>ROFL is it a waiver? LOL maybe one day that'll be the norm. They'll have 
>another one when you register to vote. Waive your rights or you can't vote 
>buddy. LOL
>
>Joe
>
>Kirk McLoren wrote:
>
>>LOL
>>yeah - when you sign up for water and trash you get a paper from the EPA.
>> Kirk
>>
>>*/Joe Street /* wrote:
>>
>> Huh? The city warns its people not to drink the water it provides
>> for them? Now I've heard everything. How many people have sued
>> for damages I wonder. That makes about as much sense as the notion
>> of trusting officials we elect to represent our interests. Your
>> explanation makes sense. Inhalation, not skin adsorption. Yes
>> there's a lot of water going by and the heat helps liberate the
>> disolved gas.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>>
>>> I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
>>> The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people
>>> prefer bottled beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
>>> I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to
>>> cause fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant
>>> women and children not to drink the water.
>>> Kirk
>>>
>>> */Joe Street /* wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Kirk;
>>>
>>> It's this last bit that has got my attention;
>>>
>>> Kirk McLoren wrote:
>>>
>>> SNIP
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet
>>>> there was a reason. Despite taking care to drink only
>>>> bottled water, Lester didn't know that *much more of the
>>>> pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin
>>>> from bathing and washing clothes.
>>>> *
>>>> Poor Lester.
>>>>
>>>> *Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants
>>>> is known to occur via dermal absorption, no studies have
>>>> ever been done to determine the toxicity of pollution
>>>> scrubber liquor the fluoride used in water fluoridation
>>>> schemes.
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>
>>> Now I have heard this several times over the last little
>>> while with regard to chlorine in tap water. It doesn't make
>>> sense to me that my body would adsorb more chlorine (or
>>> flourine or any other toxin) from water through skin contact
>>> than by drinking it. When I drink water the entire amount
>>> goes inside and has to be processed before any of it comes
>>> out again. The internal linings have evolved to be highly
>>> adsorbing and I'm guessing that it is moreso than the skin. 
>>> I'd like to see the proof about this claim.
>>>
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Jason Mier]

we finally got moved in to our house, and i never got any notices in the 
utility bill. my guess is that- given the fact i can see the town's well, 
tower, and pump shack from my driveway we dont get chemically treated 
water...




From: Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can 
kill...

Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:37:27 -0400

ROFL is it a waiver?  LOL maybe one day that'll be the norm.  They'll have 
another one when you register to vote.  Waive your rights or you can't vote 
buddy.  LOL


Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


LOL
yeah - when you sign up for water and trash you get a paper from the EPA.
 Kirk

*/Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

Huh?  The city warns its people not to drink the water it provides
for them?  Now I've heard everything. How many people have sued
for damages I wonder. That makes about as much sense as the notion
of trusting officials we elect to represent our interests.  Your
explanation makes sense. Inhalation, not skin adsorption.  Yes
there's a lot of water going by and the heat helps liberate the
disolved gas.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people
prefer bottled beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to
cause fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant
women and children not to drink the water.
 Kirk

*/Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

Hey Kirk;

It's this last bit that has got my attention;

Kirk McLoren wrote:

SNIP



Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet
there was a reason. Despite taking care to drink only
bottled water, Lester didn't know that *much more of the
pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin
from bathing and washing clothes.
*
Poor Lester.

*Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants
is known to occur via dermal absorption, no studies have
ever been done to determine the toxicity of pollution
scrubber liquor  the fluoride used in water fluoridation
schemes.
*



Now I have heard this several times over the last little
while with regard to chlorine in tap water.  It doesn't make
sense to me that my body would adsorb more chlorine (or
flourine or any other toxin) from water through skin contact
than by drinking it.  When I drink water the entire amount
goes inside and has to be processed before any of it comes
out again.  The internal linings have evolved to be highly
adsorbing and I'm guessing that it is moreso than the skin.  
   I'd like to see the proof about this claim.


Joe
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Joe Street]

ROFL is it a waiver?  LOL maybe one day that'll be the norm.  They'll 
have another one when you register to vote.  Waive your rights or you 
can't vote buddy.  LOL


Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


LOL
yeah - when you sign up for water and trash you get a paper from the EPA.
 
Kirk


*/Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

Huh?  The city warns its people not to drink the water it provides
for them?  Now I've heard everything. How many people have sued
for damages I wonder. That makes about as much sense as the notion
of trusting officials we elect to represent our interests.  Your
explanation makes sense. Inhalation, not skin adsorption.  Yes
there's a lot of water going by and the heat helps liberate the
disolved gas.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people
prefer bottled beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to
cause fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant
women and children not to drink the water.
 
Kirk


*/Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

Hey Kirk;

It's this last bit that has got my attention;

Kirk McLoren wrote:

SNIP



Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet
there was a reason. Despite taking care to drink only
bottled water, Lester didn't know that *much more of the
pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin
from bathing and washing clothes.
*
Poor Lester.

*Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants
is known to occur via dermal absorption, no studies have
ever been done to determine the toxicity of pollution
scrubber liquor  the fluoride used in water fluoridation
schemes.
*



Now I have heard this several times over the last little
while with regard to chlorine in tap water.  It doesn't make
sense to me that my body would adsorb more chlorine (or
flourine or any other toxin) from water through skin contact
than by drinking it.  When I drink water the entire amount
goes inside and has to be processed before any of it comes
out again.  The internal linings have evolved to be highly
adsorbing and I'm guessing that it is moreso than the skin. 
I'd like to see the proof about this claim.


Joe
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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Kirk McLoren]

LOL
  yeah - when you sign up for water and trash you get a paper from the EPA.
   
  Kirk

Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Huh?  The city warns its people not to drink the water it provides for them?  
Now I've heard everything. How many people have sued for damages I wonder. That 
makes about as much sense as the notion of trusting officials we elect to 
represent our interests.  Your explanation makes sense. Inhalation, not skin 
adsorption.  Yes there's a lot of water going by and the heat helps liberate 
the disolved gas.

Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:
I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
  The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people prefer bottled 
beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
  I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to cause 
fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant women and children not 
to drink the water.
   
  Kirk

Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hey Kirk;

It's this last bit that has got my attention;

Kirk McLoren wrote:

SNIP   
Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet there was a reason. 
Despite taking care to drink only bottled water, Lester didn't know that much 
more of the pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin from bathing 
and washing clothes. 

Poor Lester.

Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants is known to occur via 
dermal absorption, no studies have ever been done to determine the toxicity of 
pollution scrubber liquor  the fluoride used in water fluoridation schemes. 


Now I have heard this several times over the last little while with regard to 
chlorine in tap water.  It doesn't make sense to me that my body would adsorb 
more chlorine (or flourine or any other toxin) from water through skin contact 
than by drinking it.  When I drink water the entire amount goes inside and has 
to be processed before any of it comes out again.  The internal linings have 
evolved to be highly adsorbing and I'm guessing that it is moreso than the 
skin.  I'd like to see the proof about this claim.

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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Joe Street]

Huh?  The city warns its people not to drink the water it provides for 
them?  Now I've heard everything. How many people have sued for damages 
I wonder. That makes about as much sense as the notion of trusting 
officials we elect to represent our interests.  Your explanation makes 
sense. Inhalation, not skin adsorption.  Yes there's a lot of water 
going by and the heat helps liberate the disolved gas.


Joe

Kirk McLoren wrote:


I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people prefer 
bottled beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to cause 
fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant women and 
children not to drink the water.
 
Kirk


*/Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:

Hey Kirk;

It's this last bit that has got my attention;

Kirk McLoren wrote:

SNIP



Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet there
was a reason. Despite taking care to drink only bottled
water, Lester didn't know that *much more of the
pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin from
bathing and washing clothes.
*
Poor Lester.

*Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants is
known to occur via dermal absorption, no studies have ever
been done to determine the toxicity of pollution scrubber
liquor  the fluoride used in water fluoridation schemes.
*



Now I have heard this several times over the last little while
with regard to chlorine in tap water.  It doesn't make sense to me
that my body would adsorb more chlorine (or flourine or any other
toxin) from water through skin contact than by drinking it.  When
I drink water the entire amount goes inside and has to be
processed before any of it comes out again.  The internal linings
have evolved to be highly adsorbing and I'm guessing that it is
moreso than the skin.  I'd like to see the proof about this claim.

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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Kirk McLoren]

I think in the case of chlorine it is inhaled in the shower.
  The amount drunk is small in most peoples case as many people prefer bottled 
beverages be they juice or soda drinks.
  I know in Umatilla Oregon just drinking the water is enough to cause 
fluorosis. CIty water is 6ppm. They encourage pregnant women and children not 
to drink the water.
   
  Kirk

Joe Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hey Kirk;

It's this last bit that has got my attention;

Kirk McLoren wrote:

SNIP   
Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet there was a reason. 
Despite taking care to drink only bottled water, Lester didn't know that much 
more of the pollution-laced tap water is absorbed through the skin from bathing 
and washing clothes. 

Poor Lester.

Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants is known to occur via 
dermal absorption, no studies have ever been done to determine the toxicity of 
pollution scrubber liquor  the fluoride used in water fluoridation schemes. 


Now I have heard this several times over the last little while with regard to 
chlorine in tap water.  It doesn't make sense to me that my body would adsorb 
more chlorine (or flourine or any other toxin) from water through skin contact 
than by drinking it.  When I drink water the entire amount goes inside and has 
to be processed before any of it comes out again.  The internal linings have 
evolved to be highly adsorbing and I'm guessing that it is moreso than the 
skin.  I'd like to see the proof about this claim.

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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Joe Street]

Hey Kirk;

It's this last bit that has got my attention;

Kirk McLoren wrote:

SNIP



Lester was shattered. He couldn't understand it. Yet there was a
reason. Despite taking care to drink only bottled water, Lester
didn't know that *much more of the pollution-laced tap water is
absorbed through the skin from bathing and washing clothes.
*
Poor Lester.

*Although almost all exposure to waterborne contaminants is known
to occur via dermal absorption, no studies have ever been done to
determine the toxicity of pollution scrubber liquor  the fluoride
used in water fluoridation schemes.
*



Now I have heard this several times over the last little while with 
regard to chlorine in tap water.  It doesn't make sense to me that my 
body would adsorb more chlorine (or flourine or any other toxin) from 
water through skin contact than by drinking it.  When I drink water the 
entire amount goes inside and has to be processed before any of it comes 
out again.  The internal linings have evolved to be highly adsorbing and 
I'm guessing that it is moreso than the skin.  I'd like to see the proof 
about this claim.


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Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Kirk McLoren]

When I was younger I thought Tuskegee was an aberration and that we were more 
evolved and had grown beyond such things. I now see we still live with 
breathing walking talking demons. They wear 3 piece suits and we call them sir.
  A nightmare we cannot wake from.
  GOD save us.
   
  Thankyou for the Constant Gardener - looks like a good one.

Fred Oliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks Kirk, we are the guinea pigs (aka rats) in the largest 
chemico/pharmaceutico/poison experiment ever known to man.  Ever see The 
Constant Gardener?  It pales in scale to the tests being conducted on us 
without our permission. What to do?
   ...and the beat goes on...



  

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Subject:  [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...
Date:  Sat, 26 May 2007 08:44:58 -0700 (PDT)
  

   
 Fluoride can kill. Prepare yourself for the tragic fable of the 
chemist, the water board, the dentist and his life.

By George Glasser
The Ecologist, September, 2

Once, there was a dentist. His name was Lester. For many years, like all the 
other dentists he knew, Lester believed that fluoride in the drinking water was 
good for everyone. Like all the other dentists, Lester had learnt in dental 
school that fluoride reduces tooth decay. And, like all the other dentists, 
Lester believed that fluoride was fluoride.

Then, one day, he met a chemist and began discussing drinking water 
fluoridation. 

The chemist asked what kind of fluoride was being used to fluoridate the 
drinking water. Lester replied: "We are simply adjusting the 
fluoride level in the water by adding one part per million of, well, just 
fluoride.

"There is no such thing as "just fluoride", said the chemist. Lester scratched 
his head. But they told me that it was only fluoride they are adding to the 
water.

The chemist laughed heartily. "Fluorine is the most reactive, electronegative 
element and it's never found alone in nature," he said. "There are many kinds 
of fluorides: for instance, calcium fluoride is found naturally in water. Then 
there are other fluorides such as lead fluoride, aluminium fluoride, etc. If 
you add fluoride to the water it has to be a compound. You can't just add 
fluoride to the water, so which one is it?"

Lester felt silly. He didn't know. 

The next day Lester went to the library to check the chemistry books and learnt 
that calcium fluoride is, indeed, found naturally in the water. He also 
discovered that calcium fluoride is almost insoluble and could   
not be easily absorbed by the body. And his friend the chemist was quite right 
- there were innumerable fluoride compounds. 

Now intrigued, Lester looked up some scientific studies about water 
fluoridation. He read that in laboratory tests, workers use a very pure grade 
of sodium fluoride and purified water to do their research. He discovered that 
sodium fluoride is taken up by the body much more readily than calcium 
fluoride. His friend was right. The dentist wondered how anyone could say that 
calcium fluoride is the same as sodium fluoride. 

The next day, Lester called his water department to ask if they were adding 
sodium fluoride or calcium fluoride to his drinking water. The Water Department 
(WD) manager said that they were adding a product called silicofluorides to the 
water. The WD manager said they bought a very low grade product because it 
would be too expensive to use a good grade and, anyway, the public health 
people would   
not pay for a good quality calcium fluoride, because, they said, fluoride is 
fluoride, no matter where it comes from. By now, Lester was completely 
bewildered. 

"Where do you buy these silicofluorides from?" he asked. The WD manager said 
that the silicofluorides  known as hexafluorosilicic acid  are the toxic waste 
product from phosphate fertilizer pollution scrubbers. The dentist was aghast. 
"You have to be crazy putting that stuff in the water!"

The water department manager agreed because, he said, the hexafluorsilicic acid 
also contains other toxic substances such as arsenic, beryllium, mercury, lead 
and many more. He said he didn't drink the city water because many of the 
contaminants in the fluoridation agent cause health problems. "For instance," 
he said, "arsenic causes prostate, bladder, kidney, skin and lung cancers and 
there is no safe level for arsenic."

Lester was appalled. He asked the manager why he did not stop   
fluoridating the water with this pollution scrubber liquor. "And why would 
anyone add any amount of a known carcinogen to the water?"

Shrugging, the manager replied, "I'm just doing my job. The public health 
people have their agenda, and I have a family to feed." 

After a sleepless 

Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Fred Oliff]

Thanks Kirk, we are the guinea pigs (aka rats) in the largest chemico/pharmaceutico/poison experiment ever known to man.  Ever see The Constant Gardener?  It pales in scale to the tests being conducted on us without our permission. What to do?
 ...and the beat goes on...




From:  Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To:  biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo:  biofuel Subject:  [Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...Date:  Sat, 26 May 2007 08:44:58 -0700 (PDT)




Fluoride can kill. Prepare yourself for the tragic fable of the chemist, the water board, the dentist and his life.By George GlasserThe Ecologist, September, 2Once, there was a dentist. His name was Lester. For many years, like all the other dentists he knew, Lester believed that fluoride in the drinking water was good for everyone. Like all the other dentists, Lester had learnt in dental school that fluoride reduces tooth decay. And, like all the other dentists, Lester believed that fluoride was fluoride.Then, one day, he met a chemist and began discussing drinking water fluoridation. The chemist asked what kind of fluoride was being used to fluoridate the drinking water. Lester replied: "We are simply adjusting the fluoride level in the water by adding one part per million of, well, just 
fluoride."There is no such thing as "just fluoride", said the chemist. Lester scratched his head. But they told me that it was only fluoride they are adding to the water.The chemist laughed heartily. "Fluorine is the most reactive, electronegative element and it's never found alone in nature," he said. "There are many kinds of fluorides: for instance, calcium fluoride is found naturally in water. Then there are other fluorides such as lead fluoride, aluminium fluoride, etc. If you add fluoride to the water it has to be a compound. You can't just add fluoride to the water, so which one is it?"Lester felt silly. He didn't know. The next day Lester went to the library to check the chemistry books and learnt that calcium fluoride is, indeed, found naturally in the water. He also discovered that calcium fluoride is almost insoluble and could
not be easily absorbed by the body. And his friend the chemist was quite right - there were innumerable fluoride compounds. Now intrigued, Lester looked up some scientific studies about water fluoridation. He read that in laboratory tests, workers use a very pure grade of sodium fluoride and purified water to do their research. He discovered that sodium fluoride is taken up by the body much more readily than calcium fluoride. His friend was right. The dentist wondered how anyone could say that calcium fluoride is the same as sodium fluoride. The next day, Lester called his water department to ask if they were adding sodium fluoride or calcium fluoride to his drinking water. The Water Department (WD) manager said that they were adding a product called silicofluorides to the water. The WD manager said they bought a very low grade product because it would be too expensive to use a good grade and, anyway, the public health people would
not pay for a good quality calcium fluoride, because, they said, fluoride is fluoride, no matter where it comes from. By now, Lester was completely bewildered. "Where do you buy these silicofluorides from?" he asked. The WD manager said that the silicofluorides  known as hexafluorosilicic acid  are the toxic waste product from phosphate fertilizer pollution scrubbers. The dentist was aghast. "You have to be crazy putting that stuff in the water!"The water department manager agreed because, he said, the hexafluorsilicic acid also contains other toxic substances such as arsenic, beryllium, mercury, lead and many more. He said he didn't drink the city water because many of the contaminants in the fluoridation agent cause health problems. "For instance," he said, "arsenic causes prostate, bladder, kidney, skin and lung cancers and there is no safe level for arsenic."Lester was appalled. He asked the manager why he did not stop
fluoridating the water with this pollution scrubber liquor. "And why would anyone add any amount of a known carcinogen to the water?"Shrugging, the manager replied, "I'm just doing my job. The public health people have their agenda, and I have a family to feed." After a sleepless night, Lester contemplated the fluoridation dilemma as he soaped himself in the shower. "They say they are simply adjusting the level of natural fluoride in the water  which is calcium fluoride,  but they are using a pure grade of sodium fluoride and very pure water for the rat experiments in the laboratory. But they are adding toxic pollution scrubber liquor to my drinking water!" It didn't make sense. He called a man at the dental association and told him what he had learnt. The man said, coldly: "If you value your lic

[Biofuel] Fwd: [MCS-Canada] Fluoride can kill...................

[Kirk McLoren]

Fluoride can kill. Prepare yourself for the tragic fable of the 
chemist, the water board, the dentist and his life.

By George Glasser
The Ecologist, September, 2

Once, there was a dentist. His name was Lester. For many years, like all the 
other dentists he knew, Lester believed that fluoride in the drinking water was 
good for everyone. Like all the other dentists, Lester had learnt in dental 
school that fluoride reduces tooth decay. And, like all the other dentists, 
Lester believed that fluoride was fluoride.

Then, one day, he met a chemist and began discussing drinking water 
fluoridation. 

The chemist asked what kind of fluoride was being used to fluoridate the 
drinking water. Lester replied: "We are simply adjusting the fluoride level in 
the water by adding one part per million of, well, just fluoride.

"There is no such thing as "just fluoride", said the chemist. Lester scratched 
his head. But they told me that it was only fluoride they are adding to the 
water.

The chemist laughed heartily. "Fluorine is the most reactive, electronegative 
element and it's never found alone in nature," he said. "There are many kinds 
of fluorides: for instance, calcium fluoride is found naturally in water. Then 
there are other fluorides such as lead fluoride, aluminium fluoride, etc. If 
you add fluoride to the water it has to be a compound. You can't just add 
fluoride to the water, so which one is it?"

Lester felt silly. He didn't know. 

The next day Lester went to the library to check the chemistry books and learnt 
that calcium fluoride is, indeed, found naturally in the water. He also 
discovered that calcium fluoride is almost insoluble and could not be easily 
absorbed by the body. And his friend the chemist was quite right - there were 
innumerable fluoride compounds. 

Now intrigued, Lester looked up some scientific studies about water 
fluoridation. He read that in laboratory tests, workers use a very pure grade 
of sodium fluoride and purified water to do their research. He discovered that 
sodium fluoride is taken up by the body much more readily than calcium 
fluoride. His friend was right. The dentist wondered how anyone could say that 
calcium fluoride is the same as sodium fluoride. 

The next day, Lester called his water department to ask if they were adding 
sodium fluoride or calcium fluoride to his drinking water. The Water Department 
(WD) manager said that they were adding a product called silicofluorides to the 
water. The WD manager said they bought a very low grade product because it 
would be too expensive to use a good grade and, anyway, the public health 
people would not pay for a good quality calcium fluoride, because, they said, 
fluoride is fluoride, no matter where it comes from. By now, Lester was 
completely bewildered. 

"Where do you buy these silicofluorides from?" he asked. The WD manager said 
that the silicofluorides  known as hexafluorosilicic acid  are the toxic waste 
product from phosphate fertilizer pollution scrubbers. The dentist was aghast. 
"You have to be crazy putting that stuff in the water!"

The water department manager agreed because, he said, the hexafluorsilicic acid 
also contains other toxic substances such as arsenic, beryllium, mercury, lead 
and many more. He said he didn't drink the city water because many of the 
contaminants in the fluoridation agent cause health problems. "For instance," 
he said, "arsenic causes prostate, bladder, kidney, skin and lung cancers and 
there is no safe level for arsenic."

Lester was appalled. He asked the manager why he did not stop fluoridating the 
water with this pollution scrubber liquor. "And why would anyone add any amount 
of a known carcinogen to the water?"

Shrugging, the manager replied, "I'm just doing my job. The public health 
people have their agenda, and I have a family to feed." 

After a sleepless night, Lester contemplated the fluoridation dilemma as he 
soaped himself in the shower. "They say they are simply adjusting the level of 
natural fluoride in the water  which is calcium fluoride,  but they are using a 
pure grade of sodium fluoride and very pure water for the rat experiments in 
the laboratory. But they are adding toxic pollution scrubber liquor to my 
drinking water!" It didn't make sense. 

He called a man at the dental association and told him what he had learnt. The 
man said, coldly: "If you value your licence to practise, don't ever mention 
this subject again!" 

Lester was shocked. 

He had worked hard and was very proud of his practice and his two classic cars. 
He couldn't bear to lose them. He thought about his wife and family and how 
they would miss their luxury home with its four bathrooms and a Jacuzzi, the 
private schools and foreign vacations. After a while he made a decision. "We 
won't drink the tap water. We'll buy bottled water." But he was not a happy man 
as he walked into the reception room and greeted his first patient of the day. 

Several