[Biofuel] Emissions from Canada's oil-sand crude higher than those from U.S. sources :: UC Davis News Information
http://news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_detail.lasso?id=11252 Emissions from Canada's oil-sand crude higher than those from U.S. sources June 25, 2015 Gasoline and diesel fuel extracted and refined from Canadian oil sands will release about 20 percent more carbon into the atmosphere over the oil's lifetime than fuel from conventional crude sources in the Unied States, according to a study by the U.S. Department of Energy’s Argonne National Laboratory; the University of California, Davis; and Stanford University. The researchers used a life-cycle, or “well-to-wheels,” approach, gathering publicly available data on 27 large Canadian oil sands production facilities. The study, published in the journal Environmental Science and Technology, found the additional carbon impact of Canadian oil sands was largely related to the energy required for extraction and refining. “The level of detail provided in this study is unprecedented,” said co-author Sonia Yeh, a research scientist at the Institute of Transportation Studies at UC Davis, who helped lead research on emissions related to land disturbance. “It provides a strong scientific basis for understanding the total carbon emissions associated with using this resource, which allows us to move forward with informed discussions on technologies or policy options to reduce carbon emissions.” Crude estimates Canadian oil sands are extracted using two processes, both of which are energy intensive. Oil close to the surface can be mined, but still must be heated to separate the oil from the sand. Deeper sources of oil are extracted on-site, also called in situ extraction, requiring even more energy when steam is injected underground, heating the oil to the point it can be pumped to the surface. The extracted oil product, known as bitumen, can be moved to refineries in the United States or refined on-site to upgraded synthetic crude. On-site extraction tends to be more carbon intensive than surface mining, and producing refined synthetic crude generally requires more carbon emissions than producing bitumen. Depending on which methods are used, the carbon intensity of finished gasoline can vary from 8 percent to 24 percent higher than that from conventional U.S. crudes. “This is important information about the greenhouse gas impact of this oil source,” said lead author and Argonne researcher Hao Cai. “Canadian oil sands accounted for about 9 percent of the total crude processed in U.S. refineries in 2013, but that percentage is projected to rise to 14 percent in 2020.” The research was funded by the Bioenergy Technologies Office and Vehicle Technologies Office within DOE’s Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Additional information: Read the study. http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.5b01255 ___ Sustainablelorgbiofuel mailing list Sustainablelorgbiofuel@lists.sustainablelists.org http://lists.eruditium.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel
[Biofuel] Emissions-Cutting Deal Reached at COP 20 Lima, but Will It Help Prevent Catastrophic Climate Change?
http://truth-out.org/news/item/28037-emissions-cutting-deal-reached-at-cop-20-lima-but-will-it-help-prevent-catastrophic-climate-change [Spoiler alert: in my opinion, the key phrase from the article is: what’s happened at Lima is that the developed countries have promised to renege on all their existing commitments and are working already, even before we hit the negotiations for the 2015 agreement, into passing on their obligations into a new era where the burden gets shifted onto the shoulders of larger developing economies. Government officials in the industrialized world can all go back to sleep for another year - crisis averted. Not the climate change crisis; the potential for having to do something about it crisis. video in on-line article] Emissions-Cutting Deal Reached at COP 20 Lima, but Will It Help Prevent Catastrophic Climate Change? Tuesday, 16 December 2014 10:48 By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now! | Video Report After more than 30 hours of extended talks, a global agreement on climate change was reached over the weekend at the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Lima, Peru. Negotiators from nearly 200 countries agreed to a new deal that forms the basis for a global agreement on addressing climate change. Supporters say it marks the first time all nations have agreed to cut back on carbon emissions. The final draft says all countries have common but differentiated responsibilities to deal with global warming. The countries most dissatisfied with the outcome in Lima were those who are poor and already struggling to rebuild from the impacts of climate change. We host a roundtable with guests from three continents: in Peru, Suzanne Goldenberg, U.S. environment correspondent for The Guardian; in London, Asad Rehman, head of international climate for Friends of the Earth; and in New Delhi, Nitin Sethi, associate editor at Business Standard. TRANSCRIPT: AMY GOODMAN: After more than 30 hours of extended talks, a global agreement on climate change was reached over the weekend in Lima, Peru, at the United Nations climate conference. The talks were scheduled to end Friday but lasted two days into overtime. Shortly before 2:00 a.m. Sunday, negotiators from nearly 200 countries agreed to a new deal that forms the basis for a global agreement on addressing climate change. The final deal will be decided next year in Paris. This is the president of the talks and Peru’s environment minister, Manuel Pulgar-Vidal. MANUEL PULGAR-VIDAL: [translated] Allow me to tell you all that, as with all texts, this is not perfect, but respects the positions of the parties and aims to be a product of its own, which is one that is based on what has been proposed to the president of COP. And with this text, we all are winners, no exceptions. I have heard from all of the groups, and I have the absolute assurance that with the text we are to receive, we are all winners. AMY GOODMAN: The new climate agreement is called the Lima Accord. Supporters say it marks the first time all nations have agreed to cut back on carbon emissions. The final draft says all countries have, quote, common but differentiated responsibilities, unquote, to deal with global warming. The deal is not legally binding and gives each country until next March to announce the amount it will agree to cut. The countries most dissatisfied with the outcome in Lima were those who are poor and already struggling to rebuild from the impacts of climate change. For more, we host a roundtable. In Lima, Peru, Suzanne Goldenberg is with us, U.S. environment correspondent for The Guardian; in London, Asad Rehman, head of international climate for Friends of the Earth; and in New Delhi, Nitin Sethi, associate editor at the Business Standard. We welcome you all to Democracy Now! Asad Rehman in London, can you first respond to what was concluded in Lima? What is the Lima Accord? ASAD REHMAN: Well, thank you, first, Amy, for allowing me to be here. What was agreed here was meant to be a roadmap towards the Paris next year, which was meant to be a comprehensive agreement, to do two things—first of all, to actually increase the level of ambition in the level emissions reductions that were needed in the pre-2020, the most critical period, because these climate talks, as we all know, took place in the context of super typhoons hitting again Philippines, droughts and floods around the world, climate scientists telling us we need to take much more urgent action, and 2014 being the hottest year on record. Now, the first component of that, in terms of taking action now, we saw very, very little. In fact, we saw nothing. We saw no revisiting of targets. We saw no increase in ambition. The second part of the framework is meant to be what is going to be agreed from 2020 onwards. And there again, you know, the president of the COP said everybody was a winner. Well, it was a face-saving compromise
[Biofuel] Emissions report card puts Canada last - Globe Mail - 2007.02.09
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070209.ENVIRO09/TPStory/ Emissions report card puts Canada last Country has 'no plan' to fulfill pledge from G8 summit, U of T researchers say MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT ENVIRONMENT REPORTER TORONTO -- Canada ranks dead last among members of the G8 industrialized countries when it comes to keeping a pledge made last year to fight climate change by reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, according to a report prepared by researchers at the University of Toronto. Canada was the only Group of Eight country deemed to have posted a complete lack of compliance with the greenhouse-gas reduction goal set at last summer's G8 summit in St. Petersburg. Canada has no plan to cut its emissions in the short or long term, and could have rising output of the gases blamed for global warming under the Conservatives' Clean Air Act because the legislation doesn't cap releases, the report said. Ottawa has announced that Canada will reduce greenhouse emissions by 45 per cent -- to 65 per cent -- by 2050, but the report noted that as of Dec. 31, the date at which it conducted the country comparisons, Canada had not taken significant steps to curb GHG emissions, nor did it have a plan in place to move forward on meeting its Kyoto-mandated targets nor the ambitious 2050 targets. Canada's commitment under the Kyoto Protocol is a 6-per-cent reduction from 1990 levels by 2012. Besides Canada, the G8 includes the United States, Japan, Germany, Britain, France, Italy and Russia. Since 1996, researchers at U of T's Munk Centre for International Studies have issued compliance reports on how well the rhetoric of G8 leaders matches what their governments do to honour commitments made at their annual summits. The report, to which researchers at Moscow's State University Higher School of Economics contributed the Russian analysis, compared how the countries fared on 20 major pledges made at the meeting, covering subjects such as economic development, security and health care, along with the environment. The G8 has fulfilled only 31 per cent of its commitments since the summit last July. It has not scored this poorly since mid-2002, according to the report. On climate change, the countries pledged last year to meet our shared . . . objectives of reducing greenhouse-gas emissions. It was against this commitment that Canada seems to have delivered rhetoric, rather than results, by scoring last among the G8 for having no plans for cutting emissions. Canada's emissions are up at least 24 per cent from 1990 levels, one of the worst records in the industrialized world. Canada received the lowest score because of the Harper government's change in policy and attitude towards the Kyoto Protocol, said Brian Kolenda, co-director of the compliance unit on the U of T's G8 research group. Canada's record was particularly weak against countries, such as Germany and the U.K., that have exceeded their greenhouse-gas emission reduction targets, he said. Russia and Italy also had weak records, although their performance exceeded Canada's. Russia has met some of its obligations under Kyoto, but hasn't taken new steps to mitigate its emissions. Italy isn't close to meeting its Kyoto reduction target. Although the United States has backed out of Kyoto, the report said it is working hard to reduce its emissions, including funding of $3.9-billion (U.S.) for technologies used to fight climate change. The researchers also ranked the countries in terms of a G8 goal to encourage the use of hybrid cars and clean diesel engines in vehicle fleets. Canada has largely failed in its commitment to improve the fuel efficiency of its automobiles, the report said. * Worst among equals Researchers at the University of Toronto's Munk Centre for International Studies issue reports on how well the rhetoric of G8 leaders matches what their governments do to honour commitments. The group has ranked Canada last when it comes to keeping a pledge to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions. Scoring system: +1: Full compliance 0: Partial compliance -1:A lack of compliance France +1 'Establishing regulatory measures' for a 75% emission reduction Germany +1 'On pace to exceed requirements of the Kyoto Protocol' Japan +1 'Pro-active approach in tackling climate change' Britain +1 'Full compliance' with commitments U.S. +1 'Working hard to reduce its GHG emissions' Russia 'A work in progress' Italy 'Emission volumes continued to increase' Canada -1 'No plan' SOURCE: UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO -- Darryl McMahon It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? The Emperor's New Hydrogen Economy http://www.econogics.com/TENHE/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at
Re: [Biofuel] Emissions report card puts Canada last - Globe Mail -2007.02.09
and the reason is Stephen Harper and the rest of the CRAP (Conservative Refrom Alliance Party) has (big oil) hands in their pockets. If the party represented any other region in the country as effectively as they have the Alberta (and mainly Calgary) interests, would be in the mess we are? I am not saying the Liberals would be any better, no, but so long as big oil runs the show we will continue to disappoint those international obligations. Embarrassed, but I support the Green Party. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Emissions report card puts Canada last - Globe Mail -2007.02.09 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:59:03 -0500 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070209.ENVIRO09/TPStory/ Emissions report card puts Canada last Country has 'no plan' to fulfill pledge from G8 summit, U of T researchers say MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT ENVIRONMENT REPORTER TORONTO -- Canada ranks dead last among members of the G8 industrialized countries when it comes to keeping a pledge made last year to fight climate change by reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, according to a report prepared by researchers at the University of Toronto. Canada was the only Group of Eight country deemed to have posted a complete lack of compliance with the greenhouse-gas reduction goal set at last summer's G8 summit in St. Petersburg. Canada has no plan to cut its emissions in the short or long term, and could have rising output of the gases blamed for global warming under the Conservatives' Clean Air Act because the legislation doesn't cap releases, the report said. Ottawa has announced that Canada will reduce greenhouse emissions by 45 per cent -- to 65 per cent -- by 2050, but the report noted that as of Dec. 31, the date at which it conducted the country comparisons, Canada had not taken significant steps to curb GHG emissions, nor did it have a plan in place to move forward on meeting its Kyoto-mandated targets nor the ambitious 2050 targets. Canada's commitment under the Kyoto Protocol is a 6-per-cent reduction from 1990 levels by 2012. Besides Canada, the G8 includes the United States, Japan, Germany, Britain, France, Italy and Russia. Since 1996, researchers at U of T's Munk Centre for International Studies have issued compliance reports on how well the rhetoric of G8 leaders matches what their governments do to honour commitments made at their annual summits. The report, to which researchers at Moscow's State University Higher School of Economics contributed the Russian analysis, compared how the countries fared on 20 major pledges made at the meeting, covering subjects such as economic development, security and health care, along with the environment. The G8 has fulfilled only 31 per cent of its commitments since the summit last July. It has not scored this poorly since mid-2002, according to the report. On climate change, the countries pledged last year to meet our shared . . . objectives of reducing greenhouse-gas emissions. It was against this commitment that Canada seems to have delivered rhetoric, rather than results, by scoring last among the G8 for having no plans for cutting emissions. Canada's emissions are up at least 24 per cent from 1990 levels, one of the worst records in the industrialized world. Canada received the lowest score because of the Harper government's change in policy and attitude towards the Kyoto Protocol, said Brian Kolenda, co-director of the compliance unit on the U of T's G8 research group. Canada's record was particularly weak against countries, such as Germany and the U.K., that have exceeded their greenhouse-gas emission reduction targets, he said. Russia and Italy also had weak records, although their performance exceeded Canada's. Russia has met some of its obligations under Kyoto, but hasn't taken new steps to mitigate its emissions. Italy isn't close to meeting its Kyoto reduction target. Although the United States has backed out of Kyoto, the report said it is working hard to reduce its emissions, including funding of $3.9-billion (U.S.) for technologies used to fight climate change. The researchers also ranked the countries in terms of a G8 goal to encourage the use of hybrid cars and clean diesel engines in vehicle fleets. Canada has largely failed in its commitment to improve the fuel efficiency of its automobiles, the report said. * Worst among equals Researchers at the University of Toronto's Munk Centre for International Studies issue reports on how well the rhetoric of G8 leaders matches what their governments do to honour commitments. The group has ranked Canada last when it comes to keeping a pledge to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions. Scoring system: +1: Full compliance 0: Partial compliance -1:A lack of compliance France +1 'Establishing regulatory measures' for a 75% emission reduction Germany +1 'On pace to exceed requirements of the Kyoto Protocol
Re: [Biofuel] Emissions report card puts Canada last - Globe Mail -2007.02.09
I think the residents of Canada need to take ownership of the problem, not just point to the oil patch and pretend we're angels. The oil companies make the product, but we keep them rolling in profits by purchasing it. If we want a better environment, it's up to us to create it. If we want to buy PV panels instead, they'd be just as happy to sell us those, so long as the profit is still there (witness BP). However, so long as we keep buying heating oil instead of insulation and weather sealing, and buying gasoline and diesel instead of efficiency, ethanol, biodiesel, electric vehicles, bicycles, shoes, telecommuting, etc., then they will keep supplying what we're buying. If we need to toss out the current lot of elected officials as part of the process, good by me. But if all that does is substitute one set of rascals for another, not much value there. Realistically, I don't think the Canadian federal government has much of a role here except to take the heat and pay the bills. The areas of major impact (energy, environment, transportation, community design) are within provincial jurisdiction, not federal. That said, I don't see any real action by the feds even in the areas where they could make a positive contribution. I've been driving the environment message in Canada a long time now, and I don't see much uptake by consumers. In general, Canadians still see compact fluorescent lights as a radical change. (I'm serious - I'm up to my ankles in CFLs right now because of a local program that delivered one to most households in Ottawa - not my neighbourhood - and folks who know I'm into that weird energy efficiency stuff are giving me theirs, rather than actually try it. I'm redistributing via my presentations.) They won't spend a nickel of their own money on environmental benefits. Actually, it's worse than that. Even when I can point out where they can save money by doing something environmentally beneficial, they will frequently ignore it as being not worth the effort to change, or too weird. We're energy pigs (apologies to any pigs actually reading this), and too slovenly to even make the effort to improve. We're now officially worse than the U.S. on the greenhouse gas emissions file. However, I still don't see attitudes changing on the ground. The media is spending more time talking to the visionaries, but I don't see the message being received (and I'm trying to deliver it pretty regularly). I gave up trying to get Canadians to pay attention to environmental benefits some time ago - I got tired of watching the eyes glaze over. I got a bit more interest when I talked financial savings, but still no serious uptake or opening of wallets. In fact, it was so bad in 2005 and early 2006 that I removed most of the references to GHGs and climate change from my book in the last major overhaul prior to going to print, because *nobody* cared. Now, suddenly, six months later, we care?!! Read the recent polls carefully. The mindset has not changed that much, even if the polling questions have. Darryl Quoting Fred Oliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: and the reason is Stephen Harper and the rest of the CRAP (Conservative Refrom Alliance Party) has (big oil) hands in their pockets. If the party represented any other region in the country as effectively as they have the Alberta (and mainly Calgary) interests, would be in the mess we are? I am not saying the Liberals would be any better, no, but so long as big oil runs the show we will continue to disappoint those international obligations. Embarrassed, but I support the Green Party. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Emissions report card puts Canada last - Globe Mail -2007.02.09 Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:59:03 -0500 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070209.ENVIRO09/TPStory/ Emissions report card puts Canada last Country has 'no plan' to fulfill pledge from G8 summit, U of T researchers say MARTIN MITTELSTAEDT ENVIRONMENT REPORTER TORONTO -- Canada ranks dead last among members of the G8 industrialized countries when it comes to keeping a pledge made last year to fight climate change by reducing greenhouse-gas emissions, according to a report prepared by researchers at the University of Toronto. Canada was the only Group of Eight country deemed to have posted a complete lack of compliance with the greenhouse-gas reduction goal set at last summer's G8 summit in St. Petersburg. Canada has no plan to cut its emissions in the short or long term, and could have rising output of the gases blamed for global warming under the Conservatives' Clean Air Act because the legislation doesn't cap releases, the report said. Ottawa has announced that Canada will reduce greenhouse emissions by 45 per cent -- to 65 per cent -- by 2050
Re: [Biofuel] Emissions report card puts Canada last - Globe Mail -2007.02.09
And of course, we can't have a plan because that means the dirty business of extracting crude from tar sands would have to be reduced/stopped. Now we can't have that. What would happen to Calgary? They can't make it on the Stampede alone! DOH! John An embarrassed Canuck Quoting Fred Oliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: and the reason is Stephen Harper and the rest of the CRAP (Conservative Refrom Alliance Party) has (big oil) hands in their pockets. If the party represented any other region in the country as effectively as they have the Alberta (and mainly Calgary) interests, would be in the mess we are? I am not saying the Liberals would be any better, no, but so long as big oil runs the show we will continue to disappoint those international obligations. Embarrassed, but I support the Green Party. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Emissions Scheme Improves Profits, Not Air
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0317-05.htm Published on Friday, March 17, 2006 by the Inter Press Service Emissions Scheme Improves Profits, Not Air by Julio Godoy PARIS - In France, the chemicals group Rhodia invested 20 million dollars in 1998 at its facility in Mullhouse near the border with Germany to reduce emissions of nitrous oxide, one of the most damaging greenhouse gases. Greenhouse gases such as nitrous oxide, carbon dioxide and methane are believed to lead to warming of the atmosphere and consequently to disruption of climate patterns. In return for this small investment, Rhodia obtained carbon emission receipts (CERs) that are now valued at more than a billion dollars on the emission rights exchange system that has been operating in Europe for the past six months. The company made similar investments at its facilities in Onsan in South Korea and Paulinia in Brazil. Under the Kyoto protocol, reduction of emissions a company produces through investments in developing countries also counts as savings for the purpose of its domestic emissions market. Since the company has reduced emissions below permissible limits, it earned the right to sell its right to more emissions within its quota to companies producing more than their allowed limits. The extraordinary return on investment from the trade in CERs has brought Rhodia unexpected profit. The company has been struggling for years with high raw material prices and a general slowdown in economic growth. As the political accord to establish a market-led mechanism to trade in greenhouse gas emission rights was reached, it was normal that private corporations such as Rhodia try to profit financially from it, Rhodia director-general Jean-Pierre Clamadieu said at a press conference. The European Union, responsible for more than 22 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions, has agreed to cut them by eight percent from the emission levels recorded in 1990. To that end the EU created a system of emission rights in 2002 allocated to each country in relation to its past emissions. Emission rights quotas can be traded on a special stock exchange system called Powernext based in Paris, which has been functional since June 2005. In January this year Powernext registered transactions of 1.9 million tonnes of carbon dioxide emission rights, representing a growth of 163 percent over the average monthly volume traded between June and December 2005. The carbon emissions market is in expansion, you can talk of a bull market, Powernext marketing director Thierry Carol told IPS. While these figures suggest that the scheme is working successfully, environmental organisations say large firms are profiting from the scheme without producing a substantial reduction of emissions. In Germany the five big energy firms are adding the cost of emissions to the prices they are charging consumers, a WWF report says. WWF, an environmental group, estimates that the emission rights allocated to the five energy firms represent a maximum cost of some 400 million dollars a year. But by adding the emission rights to their price calculation, the energy firms are cashing in up to 10 billion dollars per year, the report adds. The profits for the five German energy providers could soar to more than 75 billion dollars for the period 2005 to 2112, Matthias Kopp, one of the authors of the WWF paper told IPS. The profits are completely legal. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] emissions Vol 3, Issue 30
1. Re: emissions (the skapegoat) Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2005 23:59:22 +0100 (BST) From: the skapegoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emissions To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org john owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here's a tought What will happen if the majority of the waste vegtable oil in the world is being used for biodiesel which isnt curently being burned and is absorbing some of the co2 being produced by mineral diesel and production and mineral oil consumption growes. Will this not cause an increase in co2 in atmospher! John, All things Carbon exchange in carbon dioxide and oxygen- for time imemorial. A BIT of an exageration, but- Trees, dogs, fish, humans, machines, worms... Et al. The question is that the earth has maintained a healthy and vibrant equilibrim with this equation so long as the source of the Carbon dioxide is within the Green cycle. I mean to say- is derived from what is living on the surface of the earth at this moment, and the immediate decomposition of the above. Our problem came when we extracted from the carbon that lived on the earth's surface long ago, and added that CO2 to the present day cycle. THEN we overloaded the atmospheric balance on the side of CO2... With obvious side effects. All this to affirm that- burning Biofuel DOES ALSO emit CO2, but since it is cycling within the surface of the earth's alotted amount, it is not adding nor detracting. Add to that the removal of SULPHUR from BioFuel (which Mineral has) and the great reduction of microparticulate matter (which Mineral has) and with BioDiesel we are being PRETTY inoccuous. The greater concern is HOW to provide this resource to the SHIPPING / FREIGHT industries- greatest users of Diesel by far, without overloading the soil? Adrian -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.10/43 - Release Date: 7/6/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] emissions
No. The same amount of CO2, is used by the oil producing plants, as they grow. Greg H. - Original Message - From: john owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 19:13 Subject: [Biofuel] emissions here's a tought What will happen if the majority of the waste vegtable oil in the world is being used for biodiesel which isnt curently being burned and is absorbing some of the co2 being produced by mineral diesel and production and mineral oil consumption growes. Will this not cause an increase in co2 in atmospher! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] emissions
here's a tought What will happen if the majority of the waste vegtable oil in the world is being used for biodiesel which isnt curently being burned and is absorbing some of the co2 being produced by mineral diesel and production and mineral oil consumption growes. Will this not cause an increase in co2 in atmospher! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] emissions
yes, burning biodiesel creates carbon dioxide. Any internal combustion engine will produce carbon dioxide. But WVO, or even SVO is a renewable resource, unlike petrol. Biodiesel is not the holy grail, just one very tiny step along the way to being responsible. john owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here's a toughtWhat will happen if the majority of the waste vegtable oil in theworld is being used for biodiesel which isnt curently being burned andis absorbing some of the co2 being produced by mineral diesel andproduction and mineral oil consumption growes. Will this not cause anincrease in co2 in atmospher!___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Emissions per kwh Back to grid via WVO genset
Robert - Emisssions per kwh can be obtained from EPA. P. Wolfe --- Robert Del Bueno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never intended the use of biodiesel. The idea is for reclaimed waste vegetable oils. I am curious on if anyone has given thought to the emissions per kWh of such a setup versus coal fired plant (...who in our area are successful in avoiding EPA New Source Review regulations, and continue to spew). Also considering the addition of a pre-combustion fuel catalyst, and additional after treament (because of dedicated veg use). At 01:28 PM 10/8/2004, you wrote: Lyle, Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? I don't know about that. Do you think that an approximate 65% loss in energy from fuel source to your duplex outlet is very efficient? That's the loss achieved by the grid that provides electrical service to you. You may be right about a fairly needless waste of biodiesel, however. Especially when gensets operate under constant load and for the most part are capable of running on WVO/SVO. The inclusion of more energy inputs by making biodiesel might be unnecessary in many instances. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Gang, I've enjoyed this thread for awhile now, and have finally found the courage to post. Is it not true that the grid is so much more efficient than Rob's generator that making electricity from biodiesel is a waste of perfectly good fuel? From a conservation standpoint (strictly BTUs--forget geopolitical arguments for a moment), he is better off running his studio on grid. On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Appal Energy wrote: Kirk, Did that fellow say that every China diesel owner achieved in excess of 10,000 hours? Or was he only pointing to the exceptions? It would also be a rather rare truck that got one million miles before it had to have the top end and rings done. 300-500,000 is a more real breaking point there. You're also speaking of relatively small horsepower and not a great deal of engine mass. Don't think you can compare the odd duck of a truck to the whole roost. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset That fellow Skip who wrote More Power to You said he knew China diesel owners that had in excess of 10,000 hours without a rebuild. We know trucks go 100 miles and at an avg of 50mph that is 20.000 hours Kirk Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, What is the flaw I am missing? You don't use all 2,000 kWh in 2-3 hour blocks. To make your idea work without a storage system you would have to conduct all your energy consuming activities within that narrow time window. You'd probably be best served by installing a battery bank and converter and cycle your gennie as required. You've also got to depreciate your gennie. Check the manufacturer's estimated life cycle. Usually they're only 2-3 thousand hours before a rebuild is necessary, meaning that you'll be buying a new gennie or paying the rebuild costs every second or third year. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Robert Del Bueno To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset So looking at my power bill for my recording studio business, we use on average about 2000kWH per month. If I were to run a 30kW diesel genset on SVO for 2.5 hours a day, 30 days a month... 75Hx30kW=2250kWH ... I know that net-metering in Georgia does not pay retail rates for intertie power, but hell, even if I had to run for 3-4 hours a day, seems like I could do well. Of course using a water cooled genset, I would also use the hot water for heating applications. I have a steady supply of good SVO. And 30kw diesel genset available very affordable. I know the intertie/net metering equipment costs a fair amount, but will be applicable for future solar pv use as well. What is the flaw I am missing? -Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at
[biofuel] emissions - used veg oil methyl esters vs virgin veg oil methyl esters
A colleague at work suggested to me that used veg oil might contain nitrogen compounds left over from food processing/cooking (plant matter, protein, etc.) This in turn would result in a biodiesel feedstock oil that is not purely veg oil with some free fatty acids. Resulting emissions from used veg oil-based biodiesel may therefore contain carcinogenic nitrous amines, which could make it more carcinogenic than petroleum diesel emissions. Have emissions tests ever taken this factor into account, rather than just testing for emissions typically tested for in dino- diesel? It would obviously not be a factor for emissions from biodiesel based on virgin veg oil. Pierre Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Emissions relative to speed
Emissions Emissions at 55 mph at 65 mph Pollutant (g/mi) (g/mi) % change VOC 0.59 0.92+ 55.9 CO7.60 19.24 + 153.0 NOx 2.19 2.40 +9.6 Read more: http://www.drive55.org/pn/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=25page=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions relative to speed
H, Not exactly linear increases, eh? Damn that drag coefficient Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tim Castleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 11:39 AM Subject: [biofuel] Emissions relative to speed Emissions Emissions at 55 mph at 65 mph Pollutant (g/mi) (g/mi) % change VOC 0.59 0.92+ 55.9 CO7.60 19.24 + 153.0 NOx 2.19 2.40 +9.6 Read more: http://www.drive55.org/pn/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=25page=1 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Properties of Alcohol Transportation Fuels - was: [biofuel] Emissions of Neat Ethanol
Thank you Keith for the information below an added one called Properties of Alcohol Transportation Fuels although I'm not sure if its on your site (JtF). No it's not, but it soon will be. Again thank you! Same to you Hoagy! :-) Keith Ethanol resources on the Web http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#generalinfo Comparison of Transport Fuels -- Final Report (EV45A/2/F3C) to the Australian Greenhouse Office on the Stage 2 study of Life-cycle Emissions Analysis of Alternative Fuels for Heavy Vehicles http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/index.html The following is located at Training On Fuel Ethanol http://www.state.hi.us/dbedt/ert/archive/wksp-ethtech.html PROPERTIES OF ALCOHOL TRANSPORTATION FUELS Alcohol Fuels Reference Work http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw.html For additional references http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw Prepared for: Biofuels Systems Division Office of Alternative Fuels U.S. Department of Energy Prepared by: Fuels and Transportation Division July 1991 PROPERTIES OF ALCOHOL TRANSPORTATION FUELS Alcohol Fuels Reference Work #1 1-1 SECTION 1. Introduction 1,900Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-01.pdf 2-1 SECTION 2. Basic Chemistry of Alcohol Fuels 4,184Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-02.pdf 2-1Chemical Structure 2-3Physical Properties of Alcohols 3-1 SECTION 3. The Internal Combustion Engine 4,668Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-03.pdf 3-2Engine Design 3-8Operating Parameters 3-17 Key Design Parameters for Alcohol Combustion 4-1 SECTION 4. Volatility of Transportation Fuels 3,469Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-04.pdf 4-2Reid Vapor Pressure 4-6Distillation Curves 4-11 Vapor/Liquid Ratio 5-1 SECTION 5. Compatibility of Alcohols with Other Fuels in Blends 3,050Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-05.pdf 5-2Solubility in Gasoline 5-4Creation of Mixtures Having Different Properties than Constituent Fuels 5-7Bonding with Water and Its Implications 5-7Alcohol/Gasoline Separation 5-10 Methods to Overcome Phase Separation 6-1 SECTION 6. Engine and Vehicle Operation Issues 3,292Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-06.pdf 6-2Low Ambient Temperature Starting 6-6High Temperature Performance 6-10 Vehicle Range 7-1 SECTION 7. Cleaning and Corrosion Characteristics of Alcohol 2,976Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-07.pdf 7-2Solvent Characteristics of Alcohols and Alcohol Blends 7-2Influence on the Combustion Chamber 7-2Influence of Alcohols on Various Materials 7-4Effects of Alcohols on Various Materials 7-5Influence on Fuel Distribution System 7-6Vehicle Failures 7-9Additives Required to Prevent Corrosion 8-1 SECTION 8. New Directions for Reformulating Alcohols Fuels to Overcome Operational Problems 2,450Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-08.pdf 8-2Cetane Number 8-5Miscibility with Water and Hydrocarbon Fuels 8-5Electric Conductivity and Oxygen Content 8-6Viscosity 8-6Cold Weather Startability 8-7Conclusion 9-1 SECTION 9. Ethyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (ETBE) 3,109Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-09.pdf 9-1Gasoline-related Properties 9-4Performance 9-7Production Process Technology 9-12 Supplies and Commercialization 9-13 Conclusions 10-1 SECTION 10. Health and Safety Issues 2,201Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-10.pdf 10-1 Toxicity 10-4 Leaks and Spills in Water 10-5 Leaks and Spills on Land 10-6 Safety A-1 GLOSSARY 889Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-glo.pdf B-1 BIBLIOGRAPHY 2,605Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-bib.pdf Section 1 INTRODUCTION During the mid and late i980s, research on alcohol fuels undertaken in the United States, Japan, and Europe expanded greatly. This research has covered the entire alcohol production, distribution and utilization process, from the selection of high-yield cultivars as feedstocks for the production process to the performance of neat alcohol fuels and blends in production passenger vehicles. Much of the recent research on alcohol fuel utilization has been undertaken by or funded by the RD departments of private firms, as they seek new fuel and vehicle combinations to meet projected environmental and efficiency requirements for the 1990s. The state-of-the-art has been evolving very rapidly, as public and private sector groups continue research and development efforts that will lead to expanded alcohol fuel production and usage. The results of this research have been published primarily in journals dedicated to the scientific and engineering community, and have not been broadly disseminated to the public policy
Properties of Alcohol Transportation Fuels - was: [biofuel] Emissions of Neat Ethanol
Thank you Keith for the information below an added one called Properties of Alcohol Transportation Fuels although I'm not sure if its on your site (JtF). Again thank you! Ethanol resources on the Web http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#generalinfo Comparison of Transport Fuels -- Final Report (EV45A/2/F3C) to the Australian Greenhouse Office on the Stage 2 study of Life-cycle Emissions Analysis of Alternative Fuels for Heavy Vehicles http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/index.html The following is located at Training On Fuel Ethanol http://www.state.hi.us/dbedt/ert/archive/wksp-ethtech.html PROPERTIES OF ALCOHOL TRANSPORTATION FUELS Alcohol Fuels Reference Work http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw.html For additional references http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw Prepared for: Biofuels Systems Division Office of Alternative Fuels U.S. Department of Energy Prepared by: Fuels and Transportation Division July 1991 PROPERTIES OF ALCOHOL TRANSPORTATION FUELS Alcohol Fuels Reference Work #1 1-1 SECTION 1. Introduction 1,900Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-01.pdf 2-1 SECTION 2. Basic Chemistry of Alcohol Fuels 4,184Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-02.pdf 2-1Chemical Structure 2-3Physical Properties of Alcohols 3-1 SECTION 3. The Internal Combustion Engine 4,668Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-03.pdf 3-2Engine Design 3-8Operating Parameters 3-17 Key Design Parameters for Alcohol Combustion 4-1 SECTION 4. Volatility of Transportation Fuels 3,469Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-04.pdf 4-2Reid Vapor Pressure 4-6Distillation Curves 4-11 Vapor/Liquid Ratio 5-1 SECTION 5. Compatibility of Alcohols with Other Fuels in Blends 3,050Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-05.pdf 5-2Solubility in Gasoline 5-4Creation of Mixtures Having Different Properties than Constituent Fuels 5-7Bonding with Water and Its Implications 5-7Alcohol/Gasoline Separation 5-10 Methods to Overcome Phase Separation 6-1 SECTION 6. Engine and Vehicle Operation Issues 3,292Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-06.pdf 6-2Low Ambient Temperature Starting 6-6High Temperature Performance 6-10 Vehicle Range 7-1 SECTION 7. Cleaning and Corrosion Characteristics of Alcohol 2,976Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-07.pdf 7-2Solvent Characteristics of Alcohols and Alcohol Blends 7-2Influence on the Combustion Chamber 7-2Influence of Alcohols on Various Materials 7-4Effects of Alcohols on Various Materials 7-5Influence on Fuel Distribution System 7-6Vehicle Failures 7-9Additives Required to Prevent Corrosion 8-1 SECTION 8. New Directions for Reformulating Alcohols Fuels to Overcome Operational Problems 2,450Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-08.pdf 8-2Cetane Number 8-5Miscibility with Water and Hydrocarbon Fuels 8-5Electric Conductivity and Oxygen Content 8-6Viscosity 8-6Cold Weather Startability 8-7Conclusion 9-1 SECTION 9. Ethyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (ETBE) 3,109Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-09.pdf 9-1Gasoline-related Properties 9-4Performance 9-7Production Process Technology 9-12 Supplies and Commercialization 9-13 Conclusions 10-1 SECTION 10. Health and Safety Issues 2,201Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-10.pdf 10-1 Toxicity 10-4 Leaks and Spills in Water 10-5 Leaks and Spills on Land 10-6 Safety A-1 GLOSSARY 889Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-glo.pdf B-1 BIBLIOGRAPHY 2,605Kb PDF http://www.hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/afrw/afrw-bib.pdf Section 1 INTRODUCTION During the mid and late i980s, research on alcohol fuels undertaken in the United States, Japan, and Europe expanded greatly. This research has covered the entire alcohol production, distribution and utilization process, from the selection of high-yield cultivars as feedstocks for the production process to the performance of neat alcohol fuels and blends in production passenger vehicles. Much of the recent research on alcohol fuel utilization has been undertaken by or funded by the RD departments of private firms, as they seek new fuel and vehicle combinations to meet projected environmental and efficiency requirements for the 1990s. The state-of-the-art has been evolving very rapidly, as public and private sector groups continue research and development efforts that will lead to expanded alcohol fuel production and usage. The results of this research have been published primarily in journals dedicated to the scientific and engineering community, and have not been broadly disseminated to the public policy community. In addition, new information has been
RE: [biofuel] Emissions of Neat Ethanol
Dear Dave: Brazil has a large fleet of neat-ethanol cars and they should know all about emissions. You may try to ask Coopersugar for help in your quest. You will easily find their email address in a Google search. If you have questions regarding ethanol production from molasses or direct sugar cane juice-to-ethanol, I'll be happy to help you. With best wishes, Luis R. Calzadilla Sugar Cane Research, Org. Cali, Colombia [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: shawstafari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: [biofuel] Emissions of Neat Ethanol Does anyone have data on the tailpipe emissions of neat (100%) ethanol? I have looked at JTF and other major resources and have found nothing of great interest (and nothing in ppm, only % change). I realize that there are probably few people who use non-denatured anhydrous ethanol, so any data on formulas containing no petroluem are also of interest (such as a formula denatured with ether). I am looking for emissions tests of formulas that contain no petroleum products cause I believe that would significantly alter the data. Dave Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions of Neat Ethanol
Does anyone have data on the tailpipe emissions of neat (100%) ethanol? I have looked at JTF and other major resources and have found nothing of great interest (and nothing in ppm, only % change). This is reffed there, did you look at it? Ethanol resources on the Web http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_link.html#generalinfo Comparison of Transport Fuels -- Final Report (EV45A/2/F3C) to the Australian Greenhouse Office on the Stage 2 study of Life-cycle Emissions Analysis of Alternative Fuels for Heavy Vehicles, by Tom Beer, Tim Grant, Geoff Morgan, Jack Lapszewicz, Peter Anyon, Jim Edwards, Peter Nelson, Harry Watson David Williams -- CSIRO in association with The University of Melbourne, the Centre for Design at RMIT. Parsons Australia Pty Ltd and Southern Cross Institute of Health Research. http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/index.html Part 1 provides a summary of the salient points of each fuel, Part 2 consists of detailed chapters on each fuel. Executive Summary - (Acrobat file 186Kb) http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/pubs/execsummary.pdf Part 1 Hydrated Ethanol - (Acrobat file 39Kb) http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/pubs/1ch6.pdf Part 2 Hydrated Ethanol - (Acrobat file 282Kb) http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/pubs/2ch6.pdf Part 1 Diesohol - (Acrobat file 35Kb) http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/pubs/1ch7.pdf Part 2 Diesohol - (Acrobat file 146Kb) http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/pubs/2ch7.pdf Part 1 Anhydrous Ethanol - (Acrobat file 32Kb) http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/pubs/1ch13.pdf Part 2 Anhydrous Ethanol - (Acrobat file 69Kb) http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/pubs/2ch13.pdf Part 1 Petrohol - (Acrobat file 36Kb) http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/pubs/1ch14.pdf Part 2 Petrohol - (Acrobat file 96Kb) http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/transport/comparison/pubs/2ch14.pdf Also this - I'd be surprised if there're no good emissions data here: Sustainable Minnesota's Biofuels Resources http://www.me3.org/issues/ethanol Sustainable Minnesota (Minnesotans for an Energy-Efficient Economy -- ME3) is a coalition working for a sustainable energy future. The web site is run by the Institute for Local Self-Reliance (ILSR) and focuses on a broad range of energy issues including biomass, climate change, ecological tax reform, electric restructuring and renewable energy technologies. Links to thousands of resources. ... or at the the various US govt sites reffed. Keith I realize that there are probably few people who use non-denatured anhydrous ethanol, so any data on formulas containing no petroluem are also of interest (such as a formula denatured with ether). I am looking for emissions tests of formulas that contain no petroleum products cause I believe that would significantly alter the data. Dave Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Emissions of Neat Ethanol
Does anyone have data on the tailpipe emissions of neat (100%) ethanol? I have looked at JTF and other major resources and have found nothing of great interest (and nothing in ppm, only % change). I realize that there are probably few people who use non-denatured anhydrous ethanol, so any data on formulas containing no petroluem are also of interest (such as a formula denatured with ether). I am looking for emissions tests of formulas that contain no petroleum products cause I believe that would significantly alter the data. Dave Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
I am interested in the emissions control device question too, and for an 80's Golf as well (and more importantly for my Huge Ford truck). In the SF Bay Area the person to talk to would be Coby Smolens up in Marin (he's in the process of moving his shop to San Rafael, but has been in Fairfax). He's a VW mechanic shop owner who's a biodiesel activist, my rumors: I think that maybe he's the moderator of the marinbiodiesel yahoogroups list (that one's very quiet these days), he's been campaigning for Fairfax's municipal vehicles to use biodiesel (I think, anyway), he's lobbying very hard to get the owner of a new gas station in Fairfax to start selling B100, and he's a really great guy in general. Let me know what you find out about available emissions tests- I know Coby's done them for his own diesels and found the expected dramatic improvement with B100 of course. ANyway his email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] or .net or whatever it is. Check on the marinbiodiesel yahoogroups list as well for others with that kind of interest. there was a little bit of a discussion there a while back about using a trap oxidizer from a mercedes for emissions controls on other diesels. And join our northern california biodiesel users' listserve- the burnveggies list (not a Ya-hell), and ask people there about more local mechanic resources if you can't figure it out: www.goblin.punk.net/mailman/listinfo/burnveggies I believe Steve Spence knows a thing or two about where to get catalytic converter type devices for a diesel- you out there, steve? Mark At 06:39 PM 12/14/2002 +, you wrote: Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
you can get cat converters from any auto store. or even good used ones from a wrecking yard. Here in NJ, the state inspections stations have to emissions inspect any vehicle, even the smartass that brought in his electric conversion. the guy spent 5 minutes looking for the tailpipe before the owner fessed up. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
Steve, heee hee. Figures it would be in NJ. You or one of your friends is running a cat on a diesel, right? are the ones you're talking about just catalytic converters designed for gasoline vehicles? Mark At 03:13 PM 12/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: you can get cat converters from any auto store. or even good used ones from a wrecking yard. Here in NJ, the state inspections stations have to emissions inspect any vehicle, even the smartass that brought in his electric conversion. the guy spent 5 minutes looking for the tailpipe before the owner fessed up. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.orghttp://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
I wish someone had a video of that, it would trulely be worth some bucks to see the look on that guys face. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 13:13 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter you can get cat converters from any auto store. or even good used ones from a wrecking yard. Here in NJ, the state inspections stations have to emissions inspect any vehicle, even the smartass that brought in his electric conversion. the guy spent 5 minutes looking for the tailpipe before the owner fessed up. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
yes, standard cat converters off any gas car. I don't have emissions test handy to publish at moment. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter Steve, heee hee. Figures it would be in NJ. You or one of your friends is running a cat on a diesel, right? are the ones you're talking about just catalytic converters designed for gasoline vehicles? Mark At 03:13 PM 12/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: you can get cat converters from any auto store. or even good used ones from a wrecking yard. Here in NJ, the state inspections stations have to emissions inspect any vehicle, even the smartass that brought in his electric conversion. the guy spent 5 minutes looking for the tailpipe before the owner fessed up. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.orghttp://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofue l.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofu el.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Argggh, New Jersey (I grew up in Jersey City, that's the one that smells really bad) A few years ago I was calling around trying to find a Toyota engine rebuild kit, in New Jersey. I'd been living in North Carolina for a few years at that point, and the Southeast is the Bible Belt, people don't curse at their customers, and customer service people are usually really polite on the phone. It was interesting, to say the least, to be back in New Jersey hearing the auto parts guys cussing away on the phone with customers, that's just not done in North Carolina. I found a place that might have had what I wanted. I was asking the guy on the phone about the rebuild stuff. He got kind of flustered and said something about how you can't get one. I asked what he meant. He said that I should just buy it from Toyota instead. I asked him why. he started talking about the close tolerances those engines are built to. He said something I interpreted to mean that American aftermarket parts manufacturers can't handle making kits well enough for the exacting tolerances of a Japanese engine. then he ended up being somewhat 'unclear on the concept' and blamed the Metric system. Or tried to. the problem, he said, was: Those Japanese sons-of-b***es, you see they measure everything in millionths and we measure 'im in inches. At 03:13 PM 12/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: you can get cat converters from any auto store. or even good used ones from a wrecking yard. Here in NJ, the state inspections stations have to emissions inspect any vehicle, even the smartass that brought in his electric conversion. the guy spent 5 minutes looking for the tailpipe before the owner fessed up. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.orghttp://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Emissions test and catalytic converter
Bruce, Funny you should ask. I just asked my local smog guy if he'd check my Mercedes for smog, and he was worried that diesel emissions would plug up his equipment. I plan to call a truck place - I've heard that some of them may have equipment to test for NOx - most smog stations don't, apparently you need a 5 gas analyzer. And you are correct that a catalytic converter or trap oxidizer will lower emissions - specifically NOx, and that veggie diesel - biodiesel or straight vegetable oil - won't plug them like dinodiesel (specifically the sulfur that's added for lubricity - and which veggie fuels don't need, being naturally more slippery.) Mercedes installed trap oxidizers on '85 through '87 diesels, then removed them, free of charge, when they got plugged. On the '87's (and I have an '87) they replaced the (removed) trap oxidizer, which had been in the engine compartment, with an oxidation catalyst which was installed downsteam - before the muffler. I called my local Benz dealer in Oakland, and they wanted around $200 for one - and I'd think that a good muffler shop could install one somewhere in the exhaust system on your Golf. Good luck and let us know what happens. If I find out more about getting baseline smog checks on diesel done, I'll let the Biofuels group know. Craig bruce_leininger wrote: Hi. I have been running my '85 VW Golf on 100% biodiesel since this past August and have been chewing on some emissions issues since then: First, where can I have my car emissions checked? I have checked with Smog Check stations (in the SF Bay Area) and none of them want to touch a diesel. My car has over 200,000 miles and may need a tuneup. I'd like to get a baseline to see what kind of improvement I'm getting with biodiesel and how much improvement there would be with a catalytic converter. Which leads to the next question - where can a find a good catalytic converter for an '85 Golf? I understand that use of veggie fuels allows you to use catalytic converters that would be otherwise destroyed by the sulfur in petro fuel. How does this work, and where might I find one that will work for my car? Thanks much for your help. I look forward to hearing your replies. Bruce Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] emissions on diesels running svo/wvo
Hello all I am in need of a link for emissions on diesels running svo/wvo. If anyone can help I would appreciate it greatly. The state of New Jersey is having problems with clean/green options in fixed cogen issues. All help is gratefully accepted. Erik Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Emissions data for SVO and WVO
Emissions data for SVO and WVO Hello, I am new to the group, does anyone have any data on emissions of vegitable oil. Idealy a comparison between veg oil, biodiesel and diesel. I have have been scouring the net and drawn a blank on this one. For those of you who are running SVO vehicles perhaps you can tell me your MPG values before and after converting from diesel? I am trying to decide between converting a diesel to WVO or to make biodiesel. Hope you can help, Tim (ENGLAND) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Call any Phone in the World from your PC with CrystalVoice -LOW rates world-wide - $0.039/min in U.S. FREE trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ib1xVB/IxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] emissions for WVO
Here are some links that might help: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://www.webconx.com http://www.biodiesel.org (see fuelfacts page, emmissions section and their searchable database) http://www.biodiesel.at (see reports section via link at bottom right of page I think) http://www.soybean.on.ca/ (see research section, then biodiesel research) http://www.biocar.de (I am still trying to translate the thesis provided from German to English...has anyone done this?) Ed B. From: Jason Dionne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 09:31:43 -0400 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] emissions for WVO Hello, I was wondering if anyone had links or information about exact emissions from burning biodiesel and from burning straight vegetable oil. What comes out of that exhaust pipe? (concentrations, compounds...?) Thanks, Jason Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
