Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat.
About 1 times the price of a loop and a dip tube. ;-) Edward Beggs www.biofuels.ca > From: craig reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:39:44 -0800 > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat. > > Motie, > > You wrote: > >> The 32 degree temperature rise, is for a much higher flow rate than >> you will have. For a small vehicle, it should heat the fuel to nearly >> full coolant temp. >> >> Motie > > Great! I've emailed Webb, but any idea of rough cost for a Hot STK with > integrated fuel sender? > > Thanks, > Craig > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Win a Capcom Console Game of Your Choice Or Even a Capcom Arcade System. Click Here to Enter. http://us.click.yahoo.com/tmpz8B/exbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [vegoil-diesel] Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat, filters,lines
--- craig reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dana, I think I answered my own question. I think you're talking about heating the SVO after the injection pump but before the injectors. So apart from the need to plumb into the (hard) line from the pump to the injectors, the only problem I see is: will the solenoid valve - either the plastic motor-drive Pollack or the junkyard diesel valves - take the added heat of a coolant heater (remembering that Racor's unit raises the temp. as much as 89 degrees F) or Neoteric's proposed HD Vegetherm (my term, not Neoteric's.) Otherwise, I get it. Good question. Ed, do you have any thoughts on this? Anyone else? Might have to worry about the poly lines holding up as well? Optimumly I think one would only raise the temp in the SVO supply line enough to prevent additional load on the inj. pump and then raise it to final temp right before injection. But since this would not appear to be a critical issue...eg if the solenoid faisl it is not extremely expensive to repair and should not cause damage to components that are...one might have to find out "the hard way". Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat, filters,lines
--- craig reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not clear here - a boost warmer after the > injection pump? Don't you want > it before the pump? I'm probably not understanding > the role of the "slaved > to the SVO switch" part. > My theory here is that the injection pumps are not designed with the high temperatures we want our SVO to reach prior to injection in mind. The injectors are. If the SVO can get its' final temp boost right before injection(or return to the tank) we protect the expensive to repair/replace injector pump. This might be critical in the long term. Of course this is probably only neccesary on IDI engines. I need to contact an authority on what temps inj. pumps are designed to withstand long term. > > By Hose On Hose do you mean simply zip-tying your > (poly?) fuel lines to > the (poly?) coolant lines to and from your version > of the Hot STK? That's > what I was planning on doing - only my coolant lines > were going to heat the > false bottom on the tank - but since Steve (and you) > introduced me to the > idea of the Hot STK (and Motie pointed out that > since it's made for huge > truck tanks it should bring out smaller tanks up to > close to 170F) I've > jumped ship to the Hot STK camp. > Yes. On a long length of hose I found that the heat transfers pretty well in the bundle. Insulation,inside tube diameter, good contact between the tubes, and length are the critical variables. An electric boost heater at the pump might make up for less efficiency of this method compared to HIH. I suppose one could use copper instead of poly and get better thermal efficiency. > > Motie posted about $70. Hard to beat, I'd think - > but you're not talking > about a casting, obviously. I'd be happy to copy > your design, or buy one > from you (or Ed.) > I don't think Ed sells them...I know I don't. > Couldn't a flange with a Viton (or something > similar) gasket be used instead > of epoxy - just so you could pull it if you ever > wanted to? > Good idea Craig. Or maybe one of the flexible washers that are used to pass wire bundles through an autos' firewall combined with an epoxy "outer overlay" to hold the "stick" in place. It would be simple enough to snap the epoxy if one ever needed to remove the "stick". Dana > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >Motie >I noticed we gained a new feature today. Animated adds in the >messages. We get what we pay for? Animated adds [sic] only at the Web interface, not in the email messages. I think you get one helluva lot more than you pay for! Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Call any Phone in the World from your PC with CrystalVoice -LOW rates world-wide - $0.039/min in U.S. FREE trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ib1xVB/IxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [vegoil-diesel] Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat, filters,lines
Dana, I think I answered my own question. I think you're talking about heating the SVO after the injection pump but before the injectors. So apart from the need to plumb into the (hard) line from the pump to the injectors, the only problem I see is: will the solenoid valve - either the plastic motor-drive Pollack or the junkyard diesel valves - take the added heat of a coolant heater (remembering that Racor's unit raises the temp. as much as 89 degrees F) or Neoteric's proposed HD Vegetherm (my term, not Neoteric's.) Otherwise, I get it. Thanks, Craig You wrote: > > Yes, that is the plan. Heat just enough WVO to get it > > to liquify and flow easily into the lines where it is > > heated further. Then an electric "boost warmer" close > > to the injection pump...or better yet after > > it...slaved to the SVO switch. > > I'm not clear here - a boost warmer after the injection pump? Don't > you want > it before the pump? I'm probably not understanding the role of the > "slaved > to the SVO switch" part. > > > > > I plan on using a Hose ON Hose. It is what I use now > > and avoids the possability of coolant mixing with SVO. > > In the reconversion though I will use poly tubing > > bundled together outer with a foam cover rather than > > the coolant hose and fuel line I used last time...much > > less expensive. Simple, cheap, safe. > > By Hose On Hose do you mean simply zip-tying your (poly?) fuel lines > to > the (poly?) coolant lines to and from your version of the Hot STK? > That's > what I was planning on doing - only my coolant lines were going to > heat the > false bottom on the tank - but since Steve (and you) introduced me to > the > idea of the Hot STK (and Motie pointed out that since it's made for > huge > truck tanks it should bring out smaller tanks up to close to 170F) > I've > jumped ship to the Hot STK camp. > > > > > No, but they are pretty basic and could be welded up > > cheaply by any welder. I would be happy to supply a > > design. Maybe Ed Beggs would be interested in > > becomming a supplier if there is no patent in effect. > > Do you know how much the Webb "hotstick" heaters cost? > > Motie posted about $70. Hard to beat, I'd think - but you're not > talking > about a casting, obviously. I'd be happy to copy your design, or buy > one > from you (or Ed.) > > > > > I think that it would be simple to retrofit the > > existing diesel tanks in converted vehicles by > > dropping the tank and cutting a hole in the top. A > > hotstick would be slipped in till it nearly touched > > the bottom and then be epoxied in place. A slight > > angle would work even better than vertical. > > Couldn't a flange with a Viton (or something similar) gasket be used > instead > of epoxy - just so you could pull it if you ever wanted to? > > Craig > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Image] > > For "getting started and basic information" please visit > the following website: > > http://delorean.connect-2.co.uk/vegoil-diesel/index.htm > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Win a Capcom Console Game of Your Choice Or Even a Capcom Arcade System. Click Here to Enter. http://us.click.yahoo.com/tmpz8B/exbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat, filters,lines
Dana, you wrote: > Yes, that is the plan. Heat just enough WVO to get it > to liquify and flow easily into the lines where it is > heated further. Then an electric "boost warmer" close > to the injection pump...or better yet after > it...slaved to the SVO switch. I'm not clear here - a boost warmer after the injection pump? Don't you want it before the pump? I'm probably not understanding the role of the "slaved to the SVO switch" part. > > I plan on using a Hose ON Hose. It is what I use now > and avoids the possability of coolant mixing with SVO. > In the reconversion though I will use poly tubing > bundled together outer with a foam cover rather than > the coolant hose and fuel line I used last time...much > less expensive. Simple, cheap, safe. By Hose On Hose do you mean simply zip-tying your (poly?) fuel lines to the (poly?) coolant lines to and from your version of the Hot STK? That's what I was planning on doing - only my coolant lines were going to heat the false bottom on the tank - but since Steve (and you) introduced me to the idea of the Hot STK (and Motie pointed out that since it's made for huge truck tanks it should bring out smaller tanks up to close to 170F) I've jumped ship to the Hot STK camp. > > No, but they are pretty basic and could be welded up > cheaply by any welder. I would be happy to supply a > design. Maybe Ed Beggs would be interested in > becomming a supplier if there is no patent in effect. > Do you know how much the Webb "hotstick" heaters cost? Motie posted about $70. Hard to beat, I'd think - but you're not talking about a casting, obviously. I'd be happy to copy your design, or buy one from you (or Ed.) > > I think that it would be simple to retrofit the > existing diesel tanks in converted vehicles by > dropping the tank and cutting a hole in the top. A > hotstick would be slipped in till it nearly touched > the bottom and then be epoxied in place. A slight > angle would work even better than vertical. Couldn't a flange with a Viton (or something similar) gasket be used instead of epoxy - just so you could pull it if you ever wanted to? Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Unlimited calling with 3-way conferencing. Only $1/Mo. with CrystalVoice! FREE trial. Click Here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hb1xVB/HxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat.
Motie, You wrote: > I've never bought one with an integrated sender, but I think the > plain one is about $70. Not bad at all. > BE SURE TO CHECK YOUR TANK DEPTH! I noticed you get to spec the length. > You need to buy the correct length. Too long will not fit into the > tank, and too short will not draw to the bottom of the tank. I don't > know if the fuel gauge sending unit is the same size in small > vehicles. The Webb is made to replace the original sending unit in > big truck tanks. No biggie - I've got a sender/float I got from West Marine already. > Thanks, Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat.
> > Great! I've emailed Webb, but any idea of rough cost for a Hot STK with > integrated fuel sender? > > Thanks, > Craig I've never bought one with an integrated sender, but I think the plain one is about $70. BE SURE TO CHECK YOUR TANK DEPTH! You need to buy the correct length. Too long will not fit into the tank, and too short will not draw to the bottom of the tank. I don't know if the fuel gauge sending unit is the same size in small vehicles. The Webb is made to replace the original sending unit in big truck tanks. Motie I noticed we gained a new feature today. Animated adds in the messages. We get what we pay for? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat, filters,lines
--- craig you wrote: > Dana, > > I checked out the Webb after it was posted, but it > seems it only produces a > 32 degree (F) temperature rise I think that is at a fairly high volume of fuel...or possibly it has a thermostat that limits it to a certain temp. - not enough to > achieve the 170 needed (or > the 300 deemed optimum for direct injection.) Or are > you just proposing > using it to get the SVO hot enough to flow, then > adding heat downstream > somehow? That must be your plan. Yes, that is the plan. Heat just enough WVO to get it to liquify and flow easily into the lines where it is heated further. Then an electric "boost warmer" close to the injection pump...or better yet after it...slaved to the SVO switch. On "switchover" the SVO that has been sitting in the lines is very warm and most of it is recirculated back to the SVO tank and again through the line..and so on. I understand that up to 80% of the SVO is recirculated back to the tank rather than being injected into the combustion cylinder. > > I don't remember your posting about how you'd > heating the SVO/WVO - but > I've posted some of the methods I'm considering - > Neoterics inline electric > heater (or, in my case, with direct injection, their > proposed HD model) or > Racor's Coolant Heater - which will raise fuel temps > as much as 89 degrees F > (!) I plan on using a Hose ON Hose. It is what I use now and avoids the possability of coolant mixing with SVO. In the reconversion though I will use poly tubing bundled together outer with a foam cover rather than the coolant hose and fuel line I used last time...much less expensive. Simple, cheap, safe. > I think you are on to something. Are you planning on > selling any of your > Webb-type immersion heaters? No, but they are pretty basic and could be welded up cheaply by any welder. I would be happy to supply a design. Maybe Ed Beggs would be interested in becomming a supplier if there is no patent in effect. Do you know how much the Webb "hotstick" heaters cost? I think that it would be simple to retrofit the existing diesel tanks in converted vehicles by dropping the tank and cutting a hole in the top. A hotstick would be slipped in till it nearly touched the bottom and then be epoxied in place. A slight angle would work even better than vertical. > > And I also like the simplicity of your suggestion > that pre-filtering to 5 > microns makes anything other than the stock filter > unnecessary. Unless it's > true as I've heard from some that paper filters > won't handle SVO/WVO. Much simpler...and I have had no problems with my paper filters either on the F250 or the ones I use when "processing" WVO. Ed posted the 5 micron idea a while back...a good idea..not mine though. > And - love to hear about your simple filtration > unit. Just posted it. Cheap and simple...like me! Dana __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Call any Phone in the World from your PC with CrystalVoice -LOW rates world-wide - $0.039/min in U.S. FREE trial. Click here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Ib1xVB/IxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat.
Motie, You wrote: > The 32 degree temperature rise, is for a much higher flow rate than > you will have. For a small vehicle, it should heat the fuel to nearly > full coolant temp. > > Motie Great! I've emailed Webb, but any idea of rough cost for a Hot STK with integrated fuel sender? Thanks, Craig Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Win a Capcom Console Game. http://us.click.yahoo.com/smpz8B/fxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], craig reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dana, > > I checked out the Webb after it was posted, but it seems it only produces a > 32 degree (F) temperature rise - not enough to achieve the 170 needed (or > the 300 deemed optimum for direct injection.) Or are you just proposing > using it to get the SVO hot enough to flow, then adding heat downstream > somehow? That must be your plan. The Webb hot stick is sold at nearly any truck dealer in the northern US. Any truck dealer that is certified to work on Cummins or Caterpillar should be able to get it for you elsewhere. Stopping at your nearest Peterbilt dealer would be guaranteed. It will probably cost more, though. The 32 degree temperature rise, is for a much higher flow rate than you will have. For a small vehicle, it should heat the fuel to nearly full coolant temp. Motie Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat.
Dana, I checked out the Webb after it was posted, but it seems it only produces a 32 degree (F) temperature rise - not enough to achieve the 170 needed (or the 300 deemed optimum for direct injection.) Or are you just proposing using it to get the SVO hot enough to flow, then adding heat downstream somehow? That must be your plan. I don't remember your posting about how you'd heating the SVO/WVO - but I've posted some of the methods I'm considering - Neoterics inline electric heater (or, in my case, with direct injection, their proposed HD model) or Racor's Coolant Heater - which will raise fuel temps as much as 89 degrees F (!) I think you are on to something. Are you planning on selling any of your Webb-type immersion heaters? And I also like the simplicity of your suggestion that pre-filtering to 5 microns makes anything other than the stock filter unnecessary. Unless it's true as I've heard from some that paper filters won't handle SVO/WVO. And - love to hear about your simple filtration unit. Craig Dana Linscott wrote: > Craig, > I don't like the possability of mixing coolant with > SVO either. I have a cheaper, simpler way than a > custom tank though. It is not original though as I > have just recieved a link to a commercially avilable > unit that is nearly identical to what I have designed. > The Webb "Hotstick". This is the link. > > www.webb-sales.com/product_fueltank.htm > > On your filter post... > > I don't see why one would have to use any filter other > than the one already on the vehicle if you filter to 5 > microns prior to putting in tank. From my experience > it is much simpler and (again) cheaper to do so. I am > about to post a description of my "cheap and easy" WVO > filter unit. Might be useful. Of course ther is more > than one way to skin a cat...as they say. > > Dana > --- craig reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dana, > > > > I realize that you are trying to avoid heating the > > fuel tank, but on the > > subject of heating the tank: I don't like the idea > > of a coolant loop inside > > the tank - the possibility of intermixing of coolant > > and SVO scares me. So > > I'm having a stainless tank built with a false > > bottom approx. 1" deep x the > > footprint of the tank, to be filled with coolant > > (and pressure-tested for > > leaks at the welds between the "two tanks" - where > > the false bottom welds > > inside the tank.) > > > > snip > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Unlimited calling with 3-way conferencing. Only $1/Mo. with CrystalVoice! FREE trial. Click Here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hb1xVB/HxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat.
Craig, I don't like the possability of mixing coolant with SVO either. I have a cheaper, simpler way than a custom tank though. It is not original though as I have just recieved a link to a commercially avilable unit that is nearly identical to what I have designed. The Webb "Hotstick". This is the link. www.webb-sales.com/product_fueltank.htm On your filter post... I don't see why one would have to use any filter other than the one already on the vehicle if you filter to 5 microns prior to putting in tank. From my experience it is much simpler and (again) cheaper to do so. I am about to post a description of my "cheap and easy" WVO filter unit. Might be useful. Of course ther is more than one way to skin a cat...as they say. Dana --- craig reece <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dana, > > I realize that you are trying to avoid heating the > fuel tank, but on the > subject of heating the tank: I don't like the idea > of a coolant loop inside > the tank - the possibility of intermixing of coolant > and SVO scares me. So > I'm having a stainless tank built with a false > bottom approx. 1" deep x the > footprint of the tank, to be filled with coolant > (and pressure-tested for > leaks at the welds between the "two tanks" - where > the false bottom welds > inside the tank.) > > snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Unlimited calling with 3-way conferencing. Only $1/Mo. with CrystalVoice! FREE trial. Click Here. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hb1xVB/HxbDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re:SVO--more on tank heat.
Dana, I realize that you are trying to avoid heating the fuel tank, but on the subject of heating the tank: I don't like the idea of a coolant loop inside the tank - the possibility of intermixing of coolant and SVO scares me. So I'm having a stainless tank built with a false bottom approx. 1" deep x the footprint of the tank, to be filled with coolant (and pressure-tested for leaks at the welds between the "two tanks" - where the false bottom welds inside the tank.) The coolant will fill and exit the false bottom via welded-in threaded stainless fittings I got from McMaster-Carr, with 1/2" pipe threads, then I'll adapt to Earl's Perform-O-Flex stainless braided protected hose for coolant in and out. The electrical immersion heater that Stephen Helbig posted to the group earlier - made by Webb - might also warm the SVO enough if you positioned it near the outlet. You'd still have to drop the tank, but no coolant loop necessary. Craig you wrote: > Craig and Wookie, > > I believe one still needs to heat some SVO in the > tank...the pocket of liquefied SVO I proposed would > be sufficient would be in the tank...I just don't > think the whole tank needs to be heated...only a small > area around the SVO outlet/fuel line pick up point. > This is of course just my opinion as I stated earlier > and mainly due to rethinking the huge coolant loop I > currently have in my SVO tank. If you feel you must > heat the whole tank I would at least consider > concentrating the loop around the SVO tank pick up > point to speed liquefication of the SVO that will be > used first. > > Dana > > _ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
