Re: [biofuel] WVO burners...
Hi Tony Keith, It is good to see someone else using the glycerol/sawdust 1 litre fire logs I told you about some time ago. Not just me, quite a few people I think - Peter in Holland too, I believe he said (in a woodburning stove). I usually credit you when I suggest it here. And here, of course: Burning glycerine http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html#burn I got the idea of burning it with sawdust from the STOVES list at REPP discussing briquetting sawdust and using a binder, then you finished the job by putting it in milk cartons. Only remaining problem is it works too well - we don't use very much glyc this way, not as much as we produce. But we use it for other things too, we're not quite among the glycerine-bedraggled, as Todd once put it. How moist are you making the mix? We try to compress it a lot, fill up the cartons in 4 or 5 steps and thump it down each time with a bit of wood that just fits the carton. We get about 750 g of glyc by-product and 450 g of shavings into a carton. We use shavings, not sawdust (we separate the sawdust and use it in the composting toilet). We don't use them immediately - they seem to work better after a few days and don't leak in the fire much, or at all, the by-product gets thoroughly absorbed into the shavings and seems to stay there. Otherwise we had free by-product running out of the burning cartons and making a bit of a mess, not all of it subsequently burned. We start it off with wood and get it burning hot first, and even though they were leaking onto burning wood it still made a mess. I have tried a full range of mixes, but they all work well Yes! although the wetter ones tend to weep thru the carton, making storage a problem. The waxy coating also gets on my hands along with the coloured inks used to print the cartons. (these were filled during our last summer). Hm, haven't had that - would you like me to send you a container-load of high-quality Japanese milk cartons? At only twice our normal fee... g Regards Keith regards, Tony Clark Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 05:47:15 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WVO burners... Hi Mike Thanks Keith, I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent admirer of your work. SNIP We also have a more or less endless supply of offcut wood, and shavings which we mix with biodiesel by-product and cram it into 1-litre milk cartons. They burn really hot - three of them will heat an 80-litre bathtub to 60 deg C-plus in 40 minutes. They'd work well in those double-walled water heaters. So would the wood, and so would a Turk burner I think. SNIP Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Special Sale: 50% off ReplayTV Easily record your favorite shows! CNet Ranked #1 over Tivo! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WUMW7B/85qGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] WVO burners...
Keith, It is good to see someone else using the glycerol/sawdust 1 litre fire logs I told you about some time ago. How moist are you making the mix? I have tried a full range of mixes, but they all work well although the wetter ones tend to weep thru the carton, making storage a problem. The waxy coating also gets on my hands along with the coloured inks used to print the cartons. (these were filled during our last summer). regards, Tony Clark Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 05:47:15 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WVO burners... Hi Mike Thanks Keith, I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent admirer of your work. SNIP We also have a more or less endless supply of offcut wood, and shavings which we mix with biodiesel by-product and cram it into 1-litre milk cartons. They burn really hot - three of them will heat an 80-litre bathtub to 60 deg C-plus in 40 minutes. They'd work well in those double-walled water heaters. So would the wood, and so would a Turk burner I think. SNIP Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Special Sale: 50% off ReplayTV Easily record your favorite shows! CNet Ranked #1 over Tivo! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WUMW7B/85qGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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What is a Turk burner ? Is it better than Mothers Earth waste oil burner ? Met vriendelijke groeten, Pieter Koole Netherlands The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: Tony Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Keith, It is good to see someone else using the glycerol/sawdust 1 litre fire logs I told you about some time ago. How moist are you making the mix? I have tried a full range of mixes, but they all work well although the wetter ones tend to weep thru the carton, making storage a problem. The waxy coating also gets on my hands along with the coloured inks used to print the cartons. (these were filled during our last summer). regards, Tony Clark Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2003 05:47:15 +0900 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WVO burners... Hi Mike Thanks Keith, I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent admirer of your work. SNIP We also have a more or less endless supply of offcut wood, and shavings which we mix with biodiesel by-product and cram it into 1-litre milk cartons. They burn really hot - three of them will heat an 80-litre bathtub to 60 deg C-plus in 40 minutes. They'd work well in those double-walled water heaters. So would the wood, and so would a Turk burner I think. SNIP Best wishes Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Special Sale: 50% off ReplayTV Easily record your favorite shows! CNet Ranked #1 over Tivo! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WUMW7B/85qGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Mike, Then I understand you a lot better and think it is a very good idea. Otherwise the 20 gallon/month will just be enough for the need of hot water for a family of 8-10 persons. If it is to rise temperature or backup in a solar system it is an other thing. The waste incinerator will give you quite a lot more, if you use it to heat water at the restaurant. By already having the large hot water storage, that is normal for solar, you only have to fire up the burner once, when needed. This make it more feasible, since you otherwise have to design a control system also, with automatic start/stop of the burner. Now you can have a simple thermostat-clock-bell, who tells you at a specified time if the storage temperature is too low and that you need to fire up. Hakan At 01:42 AM 9/20/2003, you wrote: Salui Hakan! What I really should have said is that we have installed solar, but I was thinking of WVO as a backup as opposed to electric heating. I also thought of providing the same restaurant with hot water, so they will get a better grease removal from the plates Mike JAMAICA - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Hi Mike, Reading your posting, I cannot avoid making a few reflections. 20 gallons of WVO per month is far to valuable to use it for heating of water in Jamaica, you do have the perfect location for using solar panels for that. For the hot water to bungalows, salt water distillation, etc., solar panels must be the most economical alternative. Vehicle fuel and waste incineration (do use the heat for pasteurise), is the best for the WVO. At such a location, always preheat with the sun which directly give you more than 80% of what you need and to an unbeatable cost. This way, your 20 gallons will go a long way. Hakan At 05:24 PM 9/19/2003, you wrote: Thanks Keith, I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent admirer of your work. I have been amazed at what you have done, and moreso I find your site interesting as I used to live and work that side of the world too. I would like to use the waste oil from a sucessful fish fry restaurant for heating some bungalows water as well as to provide heat for waste incineration, and for heating water to pasteurise substrate for mushroom growing, herb drying, and also I am thinking along the lines of wastewater reduction, or even saltwater destillation for a barren area I work in... I can get about 10 gallons of oil every 2 weeks... which I think is a lot from just one site. This is my first attempt at this. I am truly inspired by your website and your devotion to it. I would rank it as one of the most informative and easy to browse sites I have ever been to! I will let you know of my progress. Is your impressions about Babington simply a feeling, as you imply, or is it based on some experiences you heard of?? Please let me know I am willing to try the Turk burner... I was thinking of casting some pipes into a 45 gallon drum along the sides with pipes in the refrac. concrete, to use a primitive boiler. Any further ideas? Sincerely.. Mike Barnett JAMAICA. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Hello Mike, welcome You don't say what you want to use it for. The Babington gives you a hot flame you can use for heating whatever you want heated, if you can ever get the thing to work properly. This one: MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.htmlht tp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html ... is for space heating, like a furnace (very useful for those frozen winters you get in Jamaica!). This one: http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/http://ww2.green-trust.o rg:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/ Turk Burner ... also give you a hot flame, like the Babington, but this is what John Archibald (Babington guru) says about it at that site: I think this is what you might call a Turbo Mother Earth News Burner. The oil in the pan is supposed to be fed by a simple tube and valve set up. He just used free standing oil in his crude experiments. No valves yet incorporated. The simplicity of the design
[biofuel] WVO burners...
Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Hello Mike, welcome You don't say what you want to use it for. The Babington gives you a hot flame you can use for heating whatever you want heated, if you can ever get the thing to work properly. This one: MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html ... is for space heating, like a furnace (very useful for those frozen winters you get in Jamaica!). This one: http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/ Turk Burner ... also give you a hot flame, like the Babington, but this is what John Archibald (Babington guru) says about it at that site: I think this is what you might call a Turbo Mother Earth News Burner. The oil in the pan is supposed to be fed by a simple tube and valve set up. He just used free standing oil in his crude experiments. No valves yet incorporated. The simplicity of the design is what makes it worth while. And for some folks it beats the pants off the Babington burner. People do seem to tinker a lot with their Babingtons, I get the impression it needs more work (could be wrong of course). Some biodiesellers are now using something like the Turk burner to burn the biodiesel by-product to heat the biodiesel process. This works well, though from what I've seen they're a bit different from Dale Turk's version. It's a very adaptible idea. We've built one that's quite a lot different, a sort of mixture of the Turk and an IDD woodstove I designed a while back: http://journeytoforever.org/teststove.html It burns biodiesel by-product, or separated FFA, or separated glycerine, or WVO, or biodiesel, powered by a small electric blower, like the Turk, and it works very well. Doesn't use much fuel either. Just rigging a constant-level fuel supply for it using the tank and reservoir from a wrecked kero burner. Cost will be zero - which would be another advantage over the Babington: people seem to pay a lot of money for brass balls and getting them micro-drilled. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thanks Keith, I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent admirer of your work. I have been amazed at what you have done, and moreso I find your site interesting as I used to live and work that side of the world too. I would like to use the waste oil from a sucessful fish fry restaurant for heating some bungalows water as well as to provide heat for waste incineration, and for heating water to pasteurise substrate for mushroom growing, herb drying, and also I am thinking along the lines of wastewater reduction, or even saltwater destillation for a barren area I work in... I can get about 10 gallons of oil every 2 weeks... which I think is a lot from just one site. This is my first attempt at this. I am truly inspired by your website and your devotion to it. I would rank it as one of the most informative and easy to browse sites I have ever been to! I will let you know of my progress. Is your impressions about Babington simply a feeling, as you imply, or is it based on some experiences you heard of?? Please let me know I am willing to try the Turk burner... I was thinking of casting some pipes into a 45 gallon drum along the sides with pipes in the refrac. concrete, to use a primitive boiler. Any further ideas? Sincerely.. Mike Barnett JAMAICA. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Hello Mike, welcome You don't say what you want to use it for. The Babington gives you a hot flame you can use for heating whatever you want heated, if you can ever get the thing to work properly. This one: MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html ... is for space heating, like a furnace (very useful for those frozen winters you get in Jamaica!). This one: http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/ Turk Burner ... also give you a hot flame, like the Babington, but this is what John Archibald (Babington guru) says about it at that site: I think this is what you might call a Turbo Mother Earth News Burner. The oil in the pan is supposed to be fed by a simple tube and valve set up. He just used free standing oil in his crude experiments. No valves yet incorporated. The simplicity of the design is what makes it worth while. And for some folks it beats the pants off the Babington burner. People do seem to tinker a lot with their Babingtons, I get the impression it needs more work (could be wrong of course). Some biodiesellers are now using something like the Turk burner to burn the biodiesel by-product to heat the biodiesel process. This works well, though from what I've seen they're a bit different from Dale Turk's version. It's a very adaptible idea. We've built one that's quite a lot different, a sort of mixture of the Turk and an IDD woodstove I designed a while back: http://journeytoforever.org/teststove.html It burns biodiesel by-product, or separated FFA, or separated glycerine, or WVO, or biodiesel, powered by a small electric blower, like the Turk, and it works very well. Doesn't use much fuel either. Just rigging a constant-level fuel supply for it using the tank and reservoir from a wrecked kero burner. Cost will be zero - which would be another advantage over the Babington: people seem to pay a lot of money for brass balls and getting them micro-drilled. Best Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Hi Mike, Reading your posting, I cannot avoid making a few reflections. 20 gallons of WVO per month is far to valuable to use it for heating of water in Jamaica, you do have the perfect location for using solar panels for that. For the hot water to bungalows, salt water distillation, etc., solar panels must be the most economical alternative. Vehicle fuel and waste incineration (do use the heat for pasteurise), is the best for the WVO. At such a location, always preheat with the sun which directly give you more than 80% of what you need and to an unbeatable cost. This way, your 20 gallons will go a long way. Hakan At 05:24 PM 9/19/2003, you wrote: Thanks Keith, I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent admirer of your work. I have been amazed at what you have done, and moreso I find your site interesting as I used to live and work that side of the world too. I would like to use the waste oil from a sucessful fish fry restaurant for heating some bungalows water as well as to provide heat for waste incineration, and for heating water to pasteurise substrate for mushroom growing, herb drying, and also I am thinking along the lines of wastewater reduction, or even saltwater destillation for a barren area I work in... I can get about 10 gallons of oil every 2 weeks... which I think is a lot from just one site. This is my first attempt at this. I am truly inspired by your website and your devotion to it. I would rank it as one of the most informative and easy to browse sites I have ever been to! I will let you know of my progress. Is your impressions about Babington simply a feeling, as you imply, or is it based on some experiences you heard of?? Please let me know I am willing to try the Turk burner... I was thinking of casting some pipes into a 45 gallon drum along the sides with pipes in the refrac. concrete, to use a primitive boiler. Any further ideas? Sincerely.. Mike Barnett JAMAICA. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Hello Mike, welcome You don't say what you want to use it for. The Babington gives you a hot flame you can use for heating whatever you want heated, if you can ever get the thing to work properly. This one: MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html ... is for space heating, like a furnace (very useful for those frozen winters you get in Jamaica!). This one: http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/ Turk Burner ... also give you a hot flame, like the Babington, but this is what John Archibald (Babington guru) says about it at that site: I think this is what you might call a Turbo Mother Earth News Burner. The oil in the pan is supposed to be fed by a simple tube and valve set up. He just used free standing oil in his crude experiments. No valves yet incorporated. The simplicity of the design is what makes it worth while. And for some folks it beats the pants off the Babington burner. People do seem to tinker a lot with their Babingtons, I get the impression it needs more work (could be wrong of course). Some biodiesellers are now using something like the Turk burner to burn the biodiesel by-product to heat the biodiesel process. This works well, though from what I've seen they're a bit different from Dale Turk's version. It's a very adaptible idea. We've built one that's quite a lot different, a sort of mixture of the Turk and an IDD woodstove I designed a while back: http://journeytoforever.org/teststove.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/teststove.html It burns biodiesel by-product, or separated FFA, or separated glycerine, or WVO, or biodiesel, powered by a small electric blower, like the Turk, and it works very well. Doesn't use much fuel either. Just rigging a constant-level fuel supply for it using the tank and reservoir from a wrecked kero burner. Cost will be zero - which would be another advantage over the Babington: people seem to pay a lot of money for brass balls and getting them micro-drilled. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM
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Hi Mike Thanks Keith, I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent admirer of your work. Mike, thankyou, really - as for my work, it's great of you to say so, much appreciated, but an honour, not at all, nothing special, mumble mumble... I have been amazed at what you have done, and moreso I find your site interesting as I used to live and work that side of the world too. Oh? Where? You also get about, eh? American spelling - are you an American? I would like to use the waste oil from a sucessful fish fry restaurant for heating some bungalows water as well as to provide heat for waste incineration, and for heating water to pasteurise substrate for mushroom growing, herb drying, and also I am thinking along the lines of wastewater reduction, or even saltwater destillation for a barren area I work in... Something comes to mind concerning someone reforesting a barren, dry area who rigged a small and simple solar still for each sapling. Solar stills are worth thinking of anyway. I can get about 10 gallons of oil every 2 weeks... which I think is a lot from just one site. This is my first attempt at this. I am truly inspired by your website and your devotion to it. I would rank it as one of the most informative and easy to browse sites I have ever been to! Wow! Thanks again! Just as long as it's useful. I will let you know of my progress. Yes please, let us all know. Is your impressions about Babington simply a feeling, as you imply, or is it based on some experiences you heard of?? Heard of, but not personal hands-on. I sort of follow the discussions on a couple of the alt.enery lists, and that's the impression I get. As I said, I could be wrong, maybe there's lots of folks using them with success, but I don't get that impression. The ball and the holes seem to be tricky, and also it uses both a pump and a compressor, which seems a bit excessive. Please let me know I am willing to try the Turk burner... I was thinking of casting some pipes into a 45 gallon drum along the sides with pipes in the refrac. concrete, to use a primitive boiler. Sounds good. Any further ideas? It's autumn now, and in a couple of months it'll be really cold up here in the mountains, especially in this drafty and ill-maintained old wood-and-paper house - the cold goes straight through it. And through us while it's at it. We really suffered when we arrived here last January (it was minus 10 C that night). I'll soon be building a couple of Mother Earth News waste oil burners, running off WVO (we have plenty of that!), and then I'll figure how to heat water with them, for a hot water supply and also for radiators. That burner seems to put out plenty of heat by all accounts, should be able to use it for heating water. (But a full-sized MEN burner uses about 6 gal a day, maybe too much for you.) Have to learn quite a bit more about plumbing I suspect... We've picked up lots of copper piping from junked aircons. We also have some defunct but useable water heater tanks, double-walled SS things of various types, with a firebox inside and also kero burners which sort of airblast a spray of burning kero out of a nozzle. I don't think much of those burners, but they're widely used here. We also have a more or less endless supply of offcut wood, and shavings which we mix with biodiesel by-product and cram it into 1-litre milk cartons. They burn really hot - three of them will heat an 80-litre bathtub to 60 deg C-plus in 40 minutes. They'd work well in those double-walled water heaters. So would the wood, and so would a Turk burner I think. Then there's a constant 60+ deg C heat supply from two one-cubic-metre compost piles (in series), and we want to build a biogas digester soon, so we should have some methane too. And there's the Turk-type burner, which sure produces heat and seems to be quite economical. Of all these, though, it's the MEN burner that would be on all the time (and the compost), the others would be used as needed. Lots of pieces in this puzzle... I'm not trying to figure it out too much in advance, start with the MEN burners and see how we go from there. Anyway, I'm sure you can do this one way or another, or several ways together maybe. Consider using passive solar too where possible, it's good and it's free. Lots of good info on the Web (though not at JtF) (yet). Best wishes Keith Sincerely.. Mike Barnett JAMAICA. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Hello Mike, welcome You don't say what you want to use it for. The Babington gives you a hot flame you can
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Salui Hakan! What I really should have said is that we have installed solar, but I was thinking of WVO as a backup as opposed to electric heating. I also thought of providing the same restaurant with hot water, so they will get a better grease removal from the plates Mike JAMAICA - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Hi Mike, Reading your posting, I cannot avoid making a few reflections. 20 gallons of WVO per month is far to valuable to use it for heating of water in Jamaica, you do have the perfect location for using solar panels for that. For the hot water to bungalows, salt water distillation, etc., solar panels must be the most economical alternative. Vehicle fuel and waste incineration (do use the heat for pasteurise), is the best for the WVO. At such a location, always preheat with the sun which directly give you more than 80% of what you need and to an unbeatable cost. This way, your 20 gallons will go a long way. Hakan At 05:24 PM 9/19/2003, you wrote: Thanks Keith, I must say I am honored to hear from you, as I have always been a silent admirer of your work. I have been amazed at what you have done, and moreso I find your site interesting as I used to live and work that side of the world too. I would like to use the waste oil from a sucessful fish fry restaurant for heating some bungalows water as well as to provide heat for waste incineration, and for heating water to pasteurise substrate for mushroom growing, herb drying, and also I am thinking along the lines of wastewater reduction, or even saltwater destillation for a barren area I work in... I can get about 10 gallons of oil every 2 weeks... which I think is a lot from just one site. This is my first attempt at this. I am truly inspired by your website and your devotion to it. I would rank it as one of the most informative and easy to browse sites I have ever been to! I will let you know of my progress. Is your impressions about Babington simply a feeling, as you imply, or is it based on some experiences you heard of?? Please let me know I am willing to try the Turk burner... I was thinking of casting some pipes into a 45 gallon drum along the sides with pipes in the refrac. concrete, to use a primitive boiler. Any further ideas? Sincerely.. Mike Barnett JAMAICA. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] WVO burners... Hi, Im new to this list, and interested in WVO burners. I have strated to collect WVO from a restaurant, and would like to build a babington style burner. Anyone with experiences willing to share? Mike JAMAICA Hello Mike, welcome You don't say what you want to use it for. The Babington gives you a hot flame you can use for heating whatever you want heated, if you can ever get the thing to work properly. This one: MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.htmlht tp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html ... is for space heating, like a furnace (very useful for those frozen winters you get in Jamaica!). This one: http://ww2.green-trust.org:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/http://ww2.green-trust.o rg:8383/2000/biofuel/turk/ Turk Burner ... also give you a hot flame, like the Babington, but this is what John Archibald (Babington guru) says about it at that site: I think this is what you might call a Turbo Mother Earth News Burner. The oil in the pan is supposed to be fed by a simple tube and valve set up. He just used free standing oil in his crude experiments. No valves yet incorporated. The simplicity of the design is what makes it worth while. And for some folks it beats the pants off the Babington burner. People do seem to tinker a lot with their Babingtons, I get the impression it needs more work (could be wrong of course). Some biodiesellers are now using something like the Turk burner to burn the biodiesel by-product to heat the biodiesel process. This works well, though from what I've seen they're a bit different from Dale Turk's version. It's a very adaptible idea. We've built one that's quite a lot different, a sort of mixture of the Turk and an IDD woodstove I designed a while back: http://journeytoforever.org/teststove.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/test stove.html It burns biodiesel by-product, or separated FFA, or separated glycerine, or WVO, or biodiesel, powered by a small electric blower, like the Turk, and it works very well. Doesn't use much fuel either. Just rigging a constant-level fuel supply for it using the tank and reservoir from a wrecked kero
