Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
John Li makes a convincing, if subjective, case for there being a shortfall in the octane rating of locally supplied petrol in Philippines. Surely this is a golden opportunity to go for ethanol blending (gasohol) which is IMHO the best way to raise octane rating. Somebody ought to pick up on this and make his/her mark. David T. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
As a qualified Automotive engineer, I agree, with an Air fuel Ratio of 21.5:1 it would be not be running too well at all, unless the engine in question had air injection and that would make it appear to be running as lean as that. The normal AFR is 14.7:1 John McLean AMIAME Australia - Original Message - From: "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. > The AFR was adjusted and a further > > > test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The AFR > > was > > > meassured as being 21.5/1. > > > When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, > the > HC > > > reading went up immidiately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is > > going > > > on for there sure. > > the only thing going on is the begining of a scam. these numbers look like > an outright fabrication. > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 9:37 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > It's amazing that the people still buy into the magnet stuff. The > > EPA > > > has test all the "magic magnet" devices and even some of > > > those "magicals metal ionizing pipes (just an aluminum pipe" and > > > other means of boosting you ecomony. The EPA only found one device > > > based on magnets that show any difference, but it was small boost > > > like maybe 1%, which I think was a fluke. Remember, if the company > > > say it's EPA certified, it's BS. > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "beeteljeuse beelzebub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > EPA tests are the biggest jokes known in history. I was involuntarily > > detained once via highway patrol by an EPA test. They were checking > > emissions on early and late model vehicles. When they got to mine, > > they checked it once, scratched their heads and did it again. > > They ran the test a third time and asked me to pop open my hood. They > > feverishly checked everything under the sun to find out what I had > > altered to get such low readings, but could not find anything out of > > the ordinary. It was a stone-cold stock '68 Plymouth Valient that > > with absolutely no emissions controls, that was getting extremely > > lower emissions than that of brand new cars that were being checked. > > There are many things on the EPA lists of things that "do not work" > > that we have found benifits. > > You say that they have tested "all the "magic magnet" devices". > > I say "impossible". There are some that a select few people even know > > about that are in the trial stages now. How does EPA test those?? > > EPA is not God. Trust them like you would the oil and gas crooks. > > > > The man that did the magnet test on the gen set paid over $10,000 on > > a professional gas analyser to test emissions and air/fuel ratios. > > > > Here is a quote from my previous post that no one seemed to comment > > about. > > > > The AFR was adjusted and a further > > > > test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The AFR > > > was > > > > meassured as being 21.5/1. > > > > When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, > > the > HC > > > > reading went up immidiately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is > > > going > > > > on for there sure. > > > > As for the air/fuel ratio, it was obtained by his own invention. A > > vaporizing carburetor that he plans to market in the near future. > > Also note the HC readings measured in "parts per million" goes down > > after removing the magnets. It does not take a rocket scientist or an > > EPA goon to notice that, like the man said, "Something is going on > > for sure." > > Driving conditions did not come into play with this test and the > > generator was under the same load in all the testing. > > > > Have Fun, > > Sam > > > > > >
RE: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
Hello John, Read your message and noted that you are interested in coconut oil for bio diesel. So am I. For security reason the list monitor cannot allow attachments, if you are interested I will attach a paper by Dr. Dan Etherington presented at the 19th Pacific Science Congress in 1999, if you send me your email address. Hanns -Original Message- From: John Li [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 29 May 2001 4:37 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. Attn Steve, I am very particular of the true octane rating of the gasoline. My vehicle which I tested with the magnet is a 1995 Nissan Pathfinder equipped with an anti- knock compensator in which a sensor that detects 'pings' or 'knocks' would automatically retard the engine timing in order to eliminate knocking. The whole system is done by an on-board computer that controls the EFI and others. The gasoline octane required by my car is 90 octane and above. The highest octane rating available here in the Philippines is 97octane, which supposedly will not cause any knocking. But it does, especially during acceleration. So I have reason to believe that the petroleum companies are cheating the consumers and would presume that the octane rating is below 90. Otherwise with my car's requirement of 90 octane, there should be no knocking observed. So after the attachment of the magnet, the knocking sound was eliminated and it felt like you are adding octane booster. If you still question my knowledge of the octane booster, let me tell you that I used to add avgas (aviation gasoline for the planes) which has an octane ratng of 100. I had to buy it at the airport and added it to my fuel tank. The result was the same as when I put the magnet. As I mentioned earlier, it is quieter and smoother especially during acceleration. I decided to test this magnet thing because there are too many discussions made that I almost decided to 'unsubscribe'. I heard of this magnet thing 10 years ago, never tried it because I did not believe it. Last March, in one of Japan's leading off-road magazine called "4x4 Magazine", on page 103, there was an article entitled "Environmental Friendly and Powerful" which featured a Mitsubishi Delica Star Wagon with 4D56 diesel engine equipped with a strong magnet. It says "strong magnet reduced the amount of black smoke from the exhaust. If you want more power, but if you end up spouting with lots of black smoke, that would be a problem. Power Green is a product that uses strong magnetism to alter fuel at the atomic level and it can be easily be fitted into your car by cutting and inserting it into fuel line. It has the effect of cutting down black smoke." I was intrigued by this article but the thought just passed by until last week when you wrote that you did not believe in this ( and neither did I. I was never a believer because I have already wasted so much time and money in fuel devices as mini turbo charger, putting lead in the fuel tank, buying expensive sparkplugs, etc.) and I decided to test it by myself because I had 2 very powerful magnets which I purchased from Kuffman Surplus in Orange County California in 1994. I asked the storekeeper where it came from. He did not know. It is so powerful that one should be very careful not to be pinned especially between 2 pices of these magnets. And if you are questioning again about octane rating, I had been testing that avgas fuel with 100 octane with my older car which was a Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 twin carburetor with compression ratio of 9.5:1 which required an octane rating of 97. I seldom used the car coz I could only buy the fuel when I went to the airport. And the knock of the car when I used commercial fuel from the pumping station which they claimed to contain 97octane, was like hell. I had to manually readjust the ignition timing (retard). The specification was 10degrees +- 2 degrees. But I had to retard it to 5 degrees. The result was loss of power and stalling during acceleration. I have been trying it for several years, by adjusting and adding additives. Everytime I used avgas, I set it at 10 degrees. No knock and a very smooth running engine. Re the magnet, I just tried it 1 week ago, before I wrote to the group. So it's up to you to believe it or not. If you want more info re the article in the JApanese magazine, just write to me. I came to join this group in the hope of finding some info about coconut oil for biodiesel. Actually I am a very busy guy who is gathering information about cocodiesel and minding my own business. But I was challenged to try this magnet thing. And before I unsubscribe (because I cannot read all the mails that have been flooding my inbox), I would just like to share what I experienced. That's all, folks. John - Original Message - From: steve spence
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
Attn Steve, I am very particular of the true octane rating of the gasoline. My vehicle which I tested with the magnet is a 1995 Nissan Pathfinder equipped with an anti- knock compensator in which a sensor that detects 'pings' or 'knocks' would automatically retard the engine timing in order to eliminate knocking. The whole system is done by an on-board computer that controls the EFI and others. The gasoline octane required by my car is 90 octane and above. The highest octane rating available here in the Philippines is 97octane, which supposedly will not cause any knocking. But it does, especially during acceleration. So I have reason to believe that the petroleum companies are cheating the consumers and would presume that the octane rating is below 90. Otherwise with my car's requirement of 90 octane, there should be no knocking observed. So after the attachment of the magnet, the knocking sound was eliminated and it felt like you are adding octane booster. If you still question ! my knowledge of the octane booster, let me tell you that I used to add avgas (aviation gasoline for the planes) which has an octane ratng of 100. I had to buy it at the airport and added it to my fuel tank. The result was the same as when I put the magnet. As I mentioned earlier, it is quieter and smoother especially during acceleration. I decided to test this magnet thing because there are too many discussions made that I almost decided to 'unsubscribe'. I heard of this magnet thing 10 years ago, never tried it because I did not believe it. Last March, in one of Japan's leading off-road magazine called "4x4 Magazine", on page 103, there was an article entitled "Environmental Friendly and Powerful" which featured a Mitsubishi Delica Star Wagon with 4D56 diesel engine equipped with a strong magnet. It says "strong magnet reduced the amount of black smoke from the exhaust. If you want more power, but if you end up spouting with lots of black smoke, that would be a proble! m. Power Green is a product that uses strong magnetism to alter fuel at the atomic level and it can be easily be fitted into your car by cutting and inserting it into fuel line. It has the effect of cutting down black smoke." I was intrigued by this article but the thought just passed by until last week when you wrote that you did not believe in this ( and neither did I. I was never a believer because I have already wasted so much time and money in fuel devices as mini turbo charger, putting lead in the fuel tank, buying expensive sparkplugs, etc.) and I decided to test it by myself because I had 2 very powerful magnets which I purchased from Kuffman Surplus in Orange County California in 1994. I asked the storekeeper where it came from. He did not know. It is so powerful that one should be very careful not to be pinned especially between 2 pices of these magnets. And if you are questioning again about octane rating, I had been testing that avgas fuel with 100 octane wi! th my older car which was a Mitsubishi Lancer 1600 twin carburetor with compression ratio of 9.5:1 which required an octane rating of 97. I seldom used the car coz I could only buy the fuel when I went to the airport. And the knock of the car when I used commercial fuel from the pumping station which they claimed to contain 97octane, was like hell. I had to manually readjust the ignition timing (retard). The specification was 10degrees +- 2 degrees. But I had to retard it to 5 degrees. The result was loss of power and stalling during acceleration. I have been trying it for several years, by adjusting and adding additives. Everytime I used avgas, I set it at 10 degrees. No knock and a very smooth running engine. Re the magnet, I just tried it 1 week ago, before I wrote to the group. So it's up to you to believe it or not. If you want more info re the article in the JApanese magazine, just write to me. I came to join this group in the hope of finding some info about c! oconut oil for biodiesel. Actually I am a very busy guy who is gathering information about cocodiesel and minding my own business. But I was challenged to try this magnet thing. And before I unsubscribe (because I cannot read all the mails that have been flooding my inbox), I would just like to share what I experienced. That's all, folks. John - Original Message - From: steve spence To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. unless your engine is knocking badly, you won't feel any difference with an octane booster. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
unless your engine is knocking badly, you won't feel any difference with an octane booster. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: "John Li" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. > I tried it in my Nissan Pathfinder V6 EFI 1995 model, and got a smoother running engine. It felt like you are adding octane booster to the fuel tank. Here is how I did it. > > I placed an extremely powerful magnet (one that can cause small injuries if you are not careful), 1x2x1/4in., on top of the fuel line (rubber) after the fuel filter and before the injectors and taped it.. The result was an instant smoother engine. I tried to drive it around and it was really smoother and quiieter. It might just be my imagination . The next day, I put another magnet on the opposite side of the first magnet. So the rubber hose was already in between the 2 magnets. I taped the magnets together, thinking it would further improve the smoothness or increase the power. But the result was the opposite. The power and smoothness was lesser than when using one magnet only. So now, I removed the magnet below and left the one on top, as is, and still enjoyed the smoothness of the engine. I still can't believe it worked. I did not do any adjustment. > > John > - Original Message - > From: steve spence > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:48 PM > Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. > > > extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. notice how they get > all upset when you ask them to prove it. especially when it's not evidence > that they themselves have seen, but are parroting from someone else. > > "so and so told me", or "I saw a video" doesn't cut it. show me peer > reviewed science that proves the claims, explains the science, or shut up > about this crap. > > It's heartening to see that some folks can still think logically, and not > get caught up in the "religious fervor". > > > Steve Spence > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > we borrow it from our children. > -- > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:42 AM > Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. > > > > In some of the test that claim they got better milage and such, some > > investigations found out that the people tuned the engine up after > > the put the magnets on then ran the 2nd part of the test.. > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > It's amazing that the people still buy into the magnet stuff. The > > > EPA > > > > has test all the "magic magnet" devices and even some of > > > > those "magicals metal ionizing pipes (just an aluminum pipe" and > > > > other means of boosting you ecomony. The EPA only found one > > device > > > > based on magnets that show any difference, but it was small boost > > > > like maybe 1%, which I think was a fluke. Remember, if the > > company > > > > say it's EPA certified, it's BS. > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "beeteljeuse beelzebub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > EPA tests are the biggest jokes known in history. I was > > involuntarily > > > detained once via highway patrol by an EPA test. They were checking > > > emissions on early and late model vehicles. When they got to mine, > > > they checked it once, scratched their heads and did it again. > > > They ran the test a third time and asked me to pop open my hood. > > They > > > feverishly checked everything under the sun to find out what I had > > > altered to get such low readings, but could not find anything out > > of >
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
Maybe it lines the molecules up so that they slip through better and burn in an orderly manner. Have you tried taping magnets to each of the plug leads, get some order amongst those pesky electrons. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
I tried it in my Nissan Pathfinder V6 EFI 1995 model, and got a smoother running engine. It felt like you are adding octane booster to the fuel tank. Here is how I did it. I placed an extremely powerful magnet (one that can cause small injuries if you are not careful), 1x2x1/4in., on top of the fuel line (rubber) after the fuel filter and before the injectors and taped it.. The result was an instant smoother engine. I tried to drive it around and it was really smoother and quiieter. It might just be my imagination . The next day, I put another magnet on the opposite side of the first magnet. So the rubber hose was already in between the 2 magnets. I taped the magnets together, thinking it would further improve the smoothness or increase the power. But the result was the opposite. The power and smoothness was lesser than when using one magnet only. So now, I removed the magnet below and left the one on top, as is, and still enjoyed the smoothness of the engine. I still can't believe it worked. I did not do any adjustment. John - Original Message - From: steve spence To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. notice how they get all upset when you ask them to prove it. especially when it's not evidence that they themselves have seen, but are parroting from someone else. "so and so told me", or "I saw a video" doesn't cut it. show me peer reviewed science that proves the claims, explains the science, or shut up about this crap. It's heartening to see that some folks can still think logically, and not get caught up in the "religious fervor". Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. > In some of the test that claim they got better milage and such, some > investigations found out that the people tuned the engine up after > the put the magnets on then ran the 2nd part of the test.. > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > It's amazing that the people still buy into the magnet stuff. The > > EPA > > > has test all the "magic magnet" devices and even some of > > > those "magicals metal ionizing pipes (just an aluminum pipe" and > > > other means of boosting you ecomony. The EPA only found one > device > > > based on magnets that show any difference, but it was small boost > > > like maybe 1%, which I think was a fluke. Remember, if the > company > > > say it's EPA certified, it's BS. > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "beeteljeuse beelzebub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > EPA tests are the biggest jokes known in history. I was > involuntarily > > detained once via highway patrol by an EPA test. They were checking > > emissions on early and late model vehicles. When they got to mine, > > they checked it once, scratched their heads and did it again. > > They ran the test a third time and asked me to pop open my hood. > They > > feverishly checked everything under the sun to find out what I had > > altered to get such low readings, but could not find anything out > of > > the ordinary. It was a stone-cold stock '68 Plymouth Valient that > > with absolutely no emissions controls, that was getting extremely > > lower emissions than that of brand new cars that were being checked. > > There are many things on the EPA lists of things that "do not work" > > that we have found benifits. > > You say that they have tested "all the "magic magnet" devices". > > I say "impossible". There are some that a select few people even > know > > about that are in the trial stages now. How does EPA test those?? > > EPA is not God. Trust them like you would the oil and gas crooks. > > > > The man that did the magnet test on the gen set paid over $10,000 > on > > a professional gas analyser to test emissions and air/fuel ratios. > > > > Here is a quote from my previous post that no one s
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
In retirement I edit PHD thesis for pocket money, I've probably learnt more this way than any other. One thing I have learnt: Whatever method they use, any of us should be able to duplicate the results by following the procedure as reported, all else is BS. Harry Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
Sam, How could you have got it so wrong. He is not I am. When you give me reasonable proof I will support you and install one myself. Until then I remain sceptical and aloof. B.r., David - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 2:25 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "steve spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > the only thing going on is the begining of a scam. these numbers > look like > > an outright fabrication. > > > > Steve Spence > > Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: > > http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm > > > > Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com > > Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm > > X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax > > We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, > > we borrow it from our children. > > Scuze me folks, like I said, "EPA is not God." > Spence IS!!! > };^) Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
Hi Steve and All, --- steve spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > extraordinary claims, require extraordinary > evidence. notice how they get > all upset when you ask them to prove it. especially > when it's not evidence > that they themselves have seen, but are parroting > from someone else. Notice that they haven't tried the idle method to check if there is a difference. It's easy, cheap and reliable. Come on guy's take your magnets off and see if the rpm falls. If it truely works the rpm will fall 100 rpm and rise when put back on. Maybe they did but don't want to admit it. jerry dycus __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. notice how they get all upset when you ask them to prove it. especially when it's not evidence that they themselves have seen, but are parroting from someone else. "so and so told me", or "I saw a video" doesn't cut it. show me peer reviewed science that proves the claims, explains the science, or shut up about this crap. It's heartening to see that some folks can still think logically, and not get caught up in the "religious fervor". Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. > In some of the test that claim they got better milage and such, some > investigations found out that the people tuned the engine up after > the put the magnets on then ran the 2nd part of the test.. > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > It's amazing that the people still buy into the magnet stuff. The > > EPA > > > has test all the "magic magnet" devices and even some of > > > those "magicals metal ionizing pipes (just an aluminum pipe" and > > > other means of boosting you ecomony. The EPA only found one > device > > > based on magnets that show any difference, but it was small boost > > > like maybe 1%, which I think was a fluke. Remember, if the > company > > > say it's EPA certified, it's BS. > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "beeteljeuse beelzebub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > EPA tests are the biggest jokes known in history. I was > involuntarily > > detained once via highway patrol by an EPA test. They were checking > > emissions on early and late model vehicles. When they got to mine, > > they checked it once, scratched their heads and did it again. > > They ran the test a third time and asked me to pop open my hood. > They > > feverishly checked everything under the sun to find out what I had > > altered to get such low readings, but could not find anything out > of > > the ordinary. It was a stone-cold stock '68 Plymouth Valient that > > with absolutely no emissions controls, that was getting extremely > > lower emissions than that of brand new cars that were being checked. > > There are many things on the EPA lists of things that "do not work" > > that we have found benifits. > > You say that they have tested "all the "magic magnet" devices". > > I say "impossible". There are some that a select few people even > know > > about that are in the trial stages now. How does EPA test those?? > > EPA is not God. Trust them like you would the oil and gas crooks. > > > > The man that did the magnet test on the gen set paid over $10,000 > on > > a professional gas analyser to test emissions and air/fuel ratios. > > > > Here is a quote from my previous post that no one seemed to comment > > about. > > > > The AFR was adjusted and a further > > > > test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The > AFR > > > was > > > > meassured as being 21.5/1. > > > > When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, > > the > HC > > > > reading went up immidiately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is > > > > going > > > > on for there sure. > > > > As for the air/fuel ratio, it was obtained by his own invention. A > > vaporizing carburetor that he plans to market in the near future. > > Also note the HC readings measured in "parts per million" goes down > > after removing the magnets. It does not take a rocket scientist or > an > > EPA goon to notice that, like the man said, "Something is going on > > for sure." > > Driving conditions did not come into play with this test and the > > generator was under the same load in all the testing. > > > > Have Fun, > > Sam > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line.
The AFR was adjusted and a further > > test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The AFR > was > > meassured as being 21.5/1. > > When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, the > HC > > reading went up immidiately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is > going > > on for there sure. the only thing going on is the begining of a scam. these numbers look like an outright fabrication. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: magnets in fuel line. > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It's amazing that the people still buy into the magnet stuff. The > EPA > > has test all the "magic magnet" devices and even some of > > those "magicals metal ionizing pipes (just an aluminum pipe" and > > other means of boosting you ecomony. The EPA only found one device > > based on magnets that show any difference, but it was small boost > > like maybe 1%, which I think was a fluke. Remember, if the company > > say it's EPA certified, it's BS. > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "beeteljeuse beelzebub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > EPA tests are the biggest jokes known in history. I was involuntarily > detained once via highway patrol by an EPA test. They were checking > emissions on early and late model vehicles. When they got to mine, > they checked it once, scratched their heads and did it again. > They ran the test a third time and asked me to pop open my hood. They > feverishly checked everything under the sun to find out what I had > altered to get such low readings, but could not find anything out of > the ordinary. It was a stone-cold stock '68 Plymouth Valient that > with absolutely no emissions controls, that was getting extremely > lower emissions than that of brand new cars that were being checked. > There are many things on the EPA lists of things that "do not work" > that we have found benifits. > You say that they have tested "all the "magic magnet" devices". > I say "impossible". There are some that a select few people even know > about that are in the trial stages now. How does EPA test those?? > EPA is not God. Trust them like you would the oil and gas crooks. > > The man that did the magnet test on the gen set paid over $10,000 on > a professional gas analyser to test emissions and air/fuel ratios. > > Here is a quote from my previous post that no one seemed to comment > about. > > The AFR was adjusted and a further > > > test run performed. This time the engine went for 36 min. The AFR > > was > > > meassured as being 21.5/1. > > > When the magnets where removed, with the engine still running, > the > HC > > > reading went up immidiately from 41ppm to 66 ppm. Something is > > going > > > on for there sure. > > As for the air/fuel ratio, it was obtained by his own invention. A > vaporizing carburetor that he plans to market in the near future. > Also note the HC readings measured in "parts per million" goes down > after removing the magnets. It does not take a rocket scientist or an > EPA goon to notice that, like the man said, "Something is going on > for sure." > Driving conditions did not come into play with this test and the > generator was under the same load in all the testing. > > Have Fun, > Sam > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: magnets in fuel line.
>From: "Crabb, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com >To: "'biofuel@yahoogroups.com'" >Subject: [biofuel] RE: magnets in fuel line. >Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 15:42:17 -0400 > >theory as to why magnets work: > > > long hydrocarbon chains > > are being broken down to shorter chains > > >umm.. correct me if I am wrong, but isnt the fuel's high octane (should be cetane) specifically >*because* the >chains are longer? hence they will not burn so quickly? > >now if the magnet is breaking this down.. wouldn't that be "poopifying" >your >grade of gas that you put in your tank? Besides this , if you could break an aliphatic c-c bond with a magnet, why bother with pyrolysis, or complex catalytic cracking? Hell, the whole petrochemical industry would be altered overnight. It would be marvellous- that is if it weren't crap. Oil companies are many things- but being lousy at organic chemistry isnt one of them. This usually does affect snakeoil salesmen, however. B A _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] RE: magnets in fuel line.
David, On this arguement would depend where the hydrocarbon chain was being broken ie at what link wether carbon, hydrogen, or oxygen. Shorter chain lengths should certainly provide better and fuller combustion I would have thought. I thought higher octane had more oxygen atoms ??? Anyone with an explantion? B.r., David - Original Message - From: Crabb, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 7:42 AM Subject: [biofuel] RE: magnets in fuel line. > theory as to why magnets work: > > > long hydrocarbon chains > > are being broken down to shorter chains > > > umm.. correct me if I am wrong, but isnt the fuel's high octane specifically > *because* the > chains are longer? hence they will not burn so quickly? > > now if the magnet is breaking this down.. wouldn't that be "poopifying" your > grade of gas that you put in your tank? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send "unsubscribe" messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
