Re: [Biofuel] Diesel engines
Let me add my 2 cents. Ebay has had a few of the below mentioned engines for sale recently. Keep an eye open there. - Original Message - From: Anthony Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Diesel engines If you really want a diesel vehicle and are not satisfied with what's available, find a small pickup with a blown engine and replace it with a diesel out of a junkyard. In the eighties, Toyota, Nissan, Isuzu, and Mazda all made diesels for small trucks, and some of them can still be found. Maxima had a fine 6 cylinder with a 5 speed manual, if you can fine one - it was a dynamite road car, able to cruise at 70 or above effortlessly...Tony Austin ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Diesel engines
Yep, just seen a Nissan engine box to fit a Range Rover go for £200 on Ebay. Not bad considering Land Rover 300TDi's can go for 2 or 3 times that. Malcolm Let me add my 2 cents. Ebay has had a few of the below mentioned engines for sale recently. Keep an eye open there. - Original Message - From: Anthony Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Diesel engines If you really want a diesel vehicle and are not satisfied with what's available, find a small pickup with a blown engine and replace it with a diesel out of a junkyard. In the eighties, Toyota, Nissan, Isuzu, and Mazda all made diesels for small trucks, and some of them can still be found. Maxima had a fine 6 cylinder with a 5 speed manual, if you can fine one - it was a dynamite road car, able to cruise at 70 or above effortlessly...Tony Austin ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engines united vans
sorry i just sent mail to yourselves and i forgot to mention whether we could have a link on your suppliers page.we will of course be happy to exchange links with yourselves mark Hello Mark You mean the Biofuels Supplies page at Journey to Forever? JtF and the Biofuel mailing list are associated, but they're not the same thing. There's much more to JtF than biofuels, it's an Appropriate Technology project, and biofuels is seen as one such set of technologies, among quite a few others. Anyway, if that's what you meant, please email me offlist with more information and we'll consider it. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Ichijima, Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines
Diesel engines power 37% of all new cars sold in Europe - 62% in France. Everywhere, most trips are short trips, including for all those Europeans using diesels. That may have been an issue with much older diesels, but not these days, it's a different and much better beast. Keith I live in city of about 130,000 people. I'm looking at buying a diesel and using biodiesel for fuel. I have a question though about the praticalities of owning and using a diesel in an urban environment. I wasrecently warned against buying a diesel engine-based vehicle if the vehicle's primary use is mainly short trips (i.e. in a city). The main reason given was that diesels are meant to be driven long distances (i.e highways). To drive a diesel in-town on short trips, is to basiclly have a vehicle that dies out sooner than a gasoline powered vehicle. My question is whether accelerated deterioration would be linked to carbon build-up within typical diesels (my understanding is that biodiesel eliminates this build-up) Does anyone know or can explain the differences between the two types of engines and tell me whether there is any merit to this caveat? Are there any other considerations needed to be kept in mind when thinking diesel within the urban framework? Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines
It is no real merit to this argument. I had diesel cars for the last 26 years. But even when I financed my studies by driving taxi in Stockholm some 40 years ago, the diesel taxis engines last 3 to 5 times longer than gasoline. The famous London Cab is a diesel car. In todays diesels it is even difficult to know as passenger, if it is diesel or not. As driver you know because of the heating light before startup (5 seconds). It is no real considerations, the diesel engine will last longer and work better. Hakan At 01:11 AM 12/11/2002 +, you wrote: I live in city of about 130,000 people. I'm looking at buying a diesel and using biodiesel for fuel. I have a question though about the praticalities of owning and using a diesel in an urban environment. I wasrecently warned against buying a diesel engine-based vehicle if the vehicle's primary use is mainly short trips (i.e. in a city). The main reason given was that diesels are meant to be driven long distances (i.e highways). To drive a diesel in-town on short trips, is to basiclly have a vehicle that dies out sooner than a gasoline powered vehicle. My question is whether accelerated deterioration would be linked to carbon build-up within typical diesels (my understanding is that biodiesel eliminates this build-up) Does anyone know or can explain the differences between the two types of engines and tell me whether there is any merit to this caveat? Are there any other considerations needed to be kept in mind when thinking diesel within the urban framework? Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines
Hi, I guess you don't live in Europe. I just read in the local paper that over 50% of the automobiles sold to date in 2002 in Spain were Diesels. Also, due to the life style generally seen in Europe, many of these are used for relatively short runs. Some are actually designed as 'city cars.' Many expect that they will get more total mileage out of a Diesel, not less as the engines are generally heavier duty, built stronger to withstand the higher compression ratios used by a Diesel engine. In very broad terms, a gasoline (petrol) engine uses a spark to fire the compressed fuel/air mixture. The Diesel engine uses higher compression ratios, than those of the gasoline engine, to superheat compressed air. The fuel is then sprayed into this hot air and it spontaneously ignites. Otherwise they both are classed as internal combustion engines and basically work the same. In my opinion there shouldn't be any significant difference between them in wear. A Diesel does run cooler since they are more efficient and they possibly take longer to get to operating temperature and therefore maybe would have increased wear in short runs for this reason, but I don't think one would ever see it in the real world. The Diesels in the VWs are generally known to outlast the vehicles - for this reason they are fairly easily available in junk yards for co-gen projects. Regards, Derek -Original Message- From: rucksackn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 02:12 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines I live in city of about 130,000 people. I'm looking at buying a diesel and using biodiesel for fuel. I have a question though about the praticalities of owning and using a diesel in an urban environment. I wasrecently warned against buying a diesel engine-based vehicle if the vehicle's primary use is mainly short trips (i.e. in a city). The main reason given was that diesels are meant to be driven long distances (i.e highways). To drive a diesel in-town on short trips, is to basiclly have a vehicle that dies out sooner than a gasoline powered vehicle. My question is whether accelerated deterioration would be linked to carbon build-up within typical diesels (my understanding is that biodiesel eliminates this build-up) Does anyone know or can explain the differences between the two types of engines and tell me whether there is any merit to this caveat? Are there any other considerations needed to be kept in mind when thinking diesel within the urban framework? Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines
The problem most people run into is when the intake gets clogged with soot. If you run Biodiesel, you greatly reduce this problem since there is little to no soot, or...you could always have it cleaned out by your local mechanic. I have a VW Golf TDI and according to those on www.tdiclub.com, soot buildup can be reduced by either: A. Using Biodiesel B. Consistently revving the engine above 3000 RPM before shifting (Which, I suppose, blows the soot out.) C. Never lugging the motor D. Taking the occasional long road trip to burn off the deposits. E. Cleaning out the intake. (As a last resort.) Hope this helps you in your decision! -Original Message- From: rucksackn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:12 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines I live in city of about 130,000 people. I'm looking at buying a diesel and using biodiesel for fuel. I have a question though about the praticalities of owning and using a diesel in an urban environment. I wasrecently warned against buying a diesel engine-based vehicle if the vehicle's primary use is mainly short trips (i.e. in a city). The main reason given was that diesels are meant to be driven long distances (i.e highways). To drive a diesel in-town on short trips, is to basiclly have a vehicle that dies out sooner than a gasoline powered vehicle. My question is whether accelerated deterioration would be linked to carbon build-up within typical diesels (my understanding is that biodiesel eliminates this build-up) Does anyone know or can explain the differences between the two types of engines and tell me whether there is any merit to this caveat? Are there any other considerations needed to be kept in mind when thinking diesel within the urban framework? Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines
My father had a VW dasher (diesel ), that was city only driven. Lasted for years until a woman driver, ran a light, and ripped of the radiator with the bumper of her truck. He never had any real problems with it. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 18:11 Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engines vs. gasoline engines I live in city of about 130,000 people. I'm looking at buying a diesel and using biodiesel for fuel. I have a question though about the praticalities of owning and using a diesel in an urban environment. I wasrecently warned against buying a diesel engine-based vehicle if the vehicle's primary use is mainly short trips (i.e. in a city). The main reason given was that diesels are meant to be driven long distances (i.e highways). To drive a diesel in-town on short trips, is to basiclly have a vehicle that dies out sooner than a gasoline powered vehicle. My question is whether accelerated deterioration would be linked to carbon build-up within typical diesels (my understanding is that biodiesel eliminates this build-up) Does anyone know or can explain the differences between the two types of engines and tell me whether there is any merit to this caveat? Are there any other considerations needed to be kept in mind when thinking diesel within the urban framework? Thanks Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] diesel engines
Hi Dennis, thanks for volunteering your expertise! If I may, what kind of long term effects (positive and/or negative) will running BD100 have on my unmodified 2002 VW Golf TDI's motor/turbo/fuel system? Is it better to run BD50 or BD20? Thanks, Ryan Tempe, AZ -Original Message- From: dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:19 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] diesel engines you will have to take your injector pump to a diesel service center that rebuilds pumps. it takes special equipment to rebuild a pump. having it rebuild is a lot cheaper than trading it in for another pump, as long as its not too wore out. steve spence wrote: want to come over and help me rebuild my rabbit. injector pump is shot. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: [biofuel] diesel engines if you guys really want to know something about diesel engines i am the one to talk to. i am a diesel mechanic and have worked on a lot of different brands of motors. i have a mazda pickup with a 2.2 mitsubishi idi diesel, it has a 21- 1 compression ratio. diesel engines have to have at least 14-1 compression ratio to burn #2 fuel. most direct injection engines run 16-1 to 17-1 ratios. also long stroked diesels are more efficient and run cleaner than short stroked engines. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engines
On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 01:13:49PM -0400, Olga Lange wrote: A mechanic told me that the fuel pump in a VW tdi is a $6,000 part and that running biodiesel was a threat to this pump. Any comments? I wouldn't let that mechanic anywhere near my car, he's not only incompetant but a liar as well. What utter nonsense. The whole engine conceivably costs that much. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engines
Hi Dennis: What do you think of products such as Dipetane? Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engines
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Re: [biofuel] diesel engines
i would say it is really worth trying, i am all for something that will help diesel fuel burn cleaner. i always use additives in my diesel truck, the only thing wrong dipetane is it does not have a cleaner in it to keep the injectors clean. but you can add a cleaner to the fuel along with dipetane. some of this american diesel fuel is real crap! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dennis: What do you think of products such as Dipetane? Richard [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engines
Hi guys - please be aware that oversnipping is a problem as much as undersnipping. Many get these messages by email and not on the board, so we now have no idea what is NOT TRUE. By the way, all capital letters is SCREAMING in the land of email. Did you really intend to SCREAM? If so, fine, just beware that people will take it that way - you might seem more hysterical than you really are! ;-) Regards, on 5/6/02 1:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NOT TRUE [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engines
want to come over and help me rebuild my rabbit. injector pump is shot. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: [biofuel] diesel engines if you guys really want to know something about diesel engines i am the one to talk to. i am a diesel mechanic and have worked on a lot of different brands of motors. i have a mazda pickup with a 2.2 mitsubishi idi diesel, it has a 21- 1 compression ratio. diesel engines have to have at least 14-1 compression ratio to burn #2 fuel. most direct injection engines run 16-1 to 17-1 ratios. also long stroked diesels are more efficient and run cleaner than short stroked engines. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel engines
you will have to take your injector pump to a diesel service center that rebuilds pumps. it takes special equipment to rebuild a pump. having it rebuild is a lot cheaper than trading it in for another pump, as long as its not too wore out. steve spence wrote: want to come over and help me rebuild my rabbit. injector pump is shot. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: [biofuel] diesel engines if you guys really want to know something about diesel engines i am the one to talk to. i am a diesel mechanic and have worked on a lot of different brands of motors. i have a mazda pickup with a 2.2 mitsubishi idi diesel, it has a 21- 1 compression ratio. diesel engines have to have at least 14-1 compression ratio to burn #2 fuel. most direct injection engines run 16-1 to 17-1 ratios. also long stroked diesels are more efficient and run cleaner than short stroked engines. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Engines Available in North America
Hello, My family has a 6 cyl 1984 GM Diesel Cutlass Supreme. It has about 250,000 miles on it. We've had it over a year and the only maintenance we've had to do on it is replace the starter motor. When we started using Bio-diesel in it, we noticed it didn't leave a cloud of soot behind like it used to with diesel. It seemed to have better acceleration and it didn't knock as much.And, since we use WVO from a restaurant, the exhaust smells like fried fish! :-) On Sun, 30 Sep 2001 19:45:02 -0700 robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello everyone! While the atrocities were happening in New York and Washington, I was in Baltimore for a convention. During that time, I visited a cousin who owns a repair shop in Silver Spring, Maryland. Many of his customers drive older Mercedes Benz sedans--many of them diesel powered. My uncle bought a full sized 1985 turbo diesel through this man for $5 000, and I was impressed with the quality of this machine when I rode around in it. I have a couple of observations upon which I would appreciate your commentary. My cousin told me that if I'm interested in Mercedes diesels, that I should avoid anything built after 1985. He complained that the quality of many parts declined seriously during the 1986 model year, and the reliability of the engines likewise suffered. Have any of you experienced this phenomenon, or do these remarks reflect the bias of this particular man? Secondly, while the car itself was comfortable, it suffered from the traditional diesel malady of mediocre acceleration, coupled with voluminous, sooty exhaust. At highway speed, the engine was turning nearly 3 000 rpm, and sounded like it needed overdrive! Perhaps it's not fair to compare an older vehicle like this to one with a more modern engine--especially given that the full sized Mercedes is likely a rather heavy car. Have any of you experienced a diminishing of the sooty exhaust in an older diesel engine running biodiesel or svo? (As an aside, my interest in diesel engines was initially sparked when I managed a truck repair shop for my father in law. The 10 liter Cummins N14 and Detroit 60 series computerized turbos were the dominant engines of choice back then--they ran clean, produced tremendous torque, and most of them lasted well over 800 000 kilometers before requiring an overhaul. This is the kind of performance I'd like to see from automotive diesels!) Also, the Ford Ranger came with a 2.3 liter turbo diesel made by Mazda for a few years. Does anyone have any experience with this engine? The 6.2 and 6.5 liter GM engines have a poor reputation, but some people I have spoken to say this is undeserved. I found a full sized Ford crew cab with the 7.3 turbo for $11 000 this weekend, and though I like the crew cab, I believe making biodiesel for an engine that big will make a slave out of me. (I like the four cylinder Ranger I have, but it's gasoline powered.) Your comments will be appreciated! robert luis rabello GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Engines Available in North America
Hi! I own a 96 Chev crew cab with the 6.5L TD. They are not bad engines, but they had a few bad years. In 94 they were fitted with a computerised injection pump, which turned out to be very unreliable, and is basically the reason for their poor reputation (they were REALLY bad :)). However, by around 96 or so they had the bugs worked out of them, and are now pretty reliable, though I'd recommend you get a cooler for the fuel solenoid driver (FSD) if you get one. Pre '94 had a mechanical injection pump which many people prefer. (Cheaper to replace and probably last longer). If you are looking to buy one, even a '94 can be ok if they've had a new injection pump put in (which is very likely, they were covered under an extended warranty when the problem was found, and replaced for free with the upgraded version). Just make sure you check that out cause it can be expensive. Though you can get them replaced on warrenty yourself if there's under 170,000km I *think* (check for sure if you do want to get one). All the 3 big trucks (Dodge, Ford and GM) have diesel sites dedicated to them. These are excellent sources of knowledge and help a LOT. The forums are great, with lots of very knowledgable people. Strictly in terms of engines, I'd probably go with the early dodge cummins (non 24 valve). These are very simple, very long lasting engines (reports of 600,000 miles before rebuild etc.) and generally have the best reputation among the diesel trucks. However, you have to live with the dodge wrapped around it ;-) (and their poor transmissions). The older (1st gen) dodges also get the best fuel economy, as high as 28-30 mpg. though probly more around low twenties in most situations. You can't get a crew cab dodge though, haven't made them in ages. The fords (navistar diesels) are pretty good too.. not the best economy though, and the power strokes are expensive to repair. The sites in question for the diesels are: GM: www.thedieselpage.com FORD: www.ford-diesel.com DODGE: www.turbodieselregister.com The forums are excellent in all 3, and offer a very good idea of what its like to own these engines/vehicles, and the problems people have. Ian On Sun, Sep 30, 2001 at 07:45:02PM -0700, robert luis rabello wrote: Hello everyone! While the atrocities were happening in New York and Washington, I was in Baltimore for a convention. During that time, I visited a cousin who owns a repair shop in Silver Spring, Maryland. Many of his customers drive older Mercedes Benz sedans--many of them diesel powered. My uncle bought a full sized 1985 turbo diesel through this man for $5 000, and I was impressed with the quality of this machine when I rode around in it. I have a couple of observations upon which I would appreciate your commentary. My cousin told me that if I'm interested in Mercedes diesels, that I should avoid anything built after 1985. He complained that the quality of many parts declined seriously during the 1986 model year, and the reliability of the engines likewise suffered. Have any of you experienced this phenomenon, or do these remarks reflect the bias of this particular man? Secondly, while the car itself was comfortable, it suffered from the traditional diesel malady of mediocre acceleration, coupled with voluminous, sooty exhaust. At highway speed, the engine was turning nearly 3 000 rpm, and sounded like it needed overdrive! Perhaps it's not fair to compare an older vehicle like this to one with a more modern engine--especially given that the full sized Mercedes is likely a rather heavy car. Have any of you experienced a diminishing of the sooty exhaust in an older diesel engine running biodiesel or svo? (As an aside, my interest in diesel engines was initially sparked when I managed a truck repair shop for my father in law. The 10 liter Cummins N14 and Detroit 60 series computerized turbos were the dominant engines of choice back then--they ran clean, produced tremendous torque, and most of them lasted well over 800 000 kilometers before requiring an overhaul. This is the kind of performance I'd like to see from automotive diesels!) Also, the Ford Ranger came with a 2.3 liter turbo diesel made by Mazda for a few years. Does anyone have any experience with this engine? The 6.2 and 6.5 liter GM engines have a poor reputation, but some people I have spoken to say this is undeserved. I found a full sized Ford crew cab with the 7.3 turbo for $11 000 this weekend, and though I like the crew cab, I believe making biodiesel for an engine that big will make a slave out of me. (I like the four cylinder Ranger I have, but it's gasoline powered.) Your comments will be appreciated! robert luis rabello Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Engines Available in North America
Robert - I have a 1983 TDT wagon. I sold my 77 300D to my father. So with these two in the family, and both running on SVO (and biodiesel for start up and shutdown in my case), and blends of biodiesel/diesel, etc. I can tell you the following: Yes, avoid the ones after 1985. In fact, try to get an '83 or earlier, with the cast iron head. Turbos are nice for the extra power, but cost considerably more than the 240D or 300D, to buy and to repair. The engines are very tough. The cars are nice to drive as you know. The Bosch inline is considered to be the most tolerant of SVO, if you go that way instead of biodiesel (not a bad thing to consider, if you are already concerned about being a biodiesel slave.) You get used to the acceleration. The turbo is quite a lot quicker. There should be four gears working on the four speed automatic. They tend to shift into 4th early, you can lock this out by using the s position until up to speed to get better acceleration without holding it all the way to the floor. Also good for city driving to keep the revs up and minimize carbon buildup (esp. if on SVO) It is not unusual for the car to start out in 2nd gear and go 2-3-4, unless you floor it, in which case it will drop into 1, start out in 1, give you more acceleration across that intersection, and then go 2-3-4. They will turn 3000 at highway speed (70 miles per hour). Higher reving than you might expect - sort of halfway between a pickup and a VW. Biodiesel WILL cut the soot by around 50%. If the car is putting out much soot, check the air cleaner, compression, and all else before buying. It could be in need of an inexpensive air cleaner - or a megabuck rebuild. If all is well maintained and compression good, there should not be a lot of soot except maybe on a cold start - after that there should not be a lot - if there is, beware. Rough idle on older Mercedes 5 cyl. turbo is pretty common, and a fun hobby to sort out. I am still getting mine set up for that one. Injectors checked, compression very good, valves set...still a bit off...injection pump rack bolt is next on the hit list. Unless you really need a crew cab, I would advise against it. It is a thirsty, unwieldy thing with way more power than you will need. (unless you are planning to go into the house moving business). My business partner has one, and a Jetta, and the truck sits at home a lot. The Ford ranger Mazda engine will be very tough to get parts for. Not recommended. The Chevy's are hit and miss. Some are ok, some not. Same with all vehicles. All diesels can be expensive to repair...or very trouble free. They tend to run very well - or not at all. Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 7:45 PM Subject: [biofuel] Diesel Engines Available in North America Hello everyone! While the atrocities were happening in New York and Washington, I was in Baltimore for a convention. During that time, I visited a cousin who owns a repair shop in Silver Spring, Maryland. Many of his customers drive older Mercedes Benz sedans--many of them diesel powered. My uncle bought a full sized 1985 turbo diesel through this man for $5 000, and I was impressed with the quality of this machine when I rode around in it. I have a couple of observations upon which I would appreciate your commentary. My cousin told me that if I'm interested in Mercedes diesels, that I should avoid anything built after 1985. He complained that the quality of many parts declined seriously during the 1986 model year, and the reliability of the engines likewise suffered. Have any of you experienced this phenomenon, or do these remarks reflect the bias of this particular man? Secondly, while the car itself was comfortable, it suffered from the traditional diesel malady of mediocre acceleration, coupled with voluminous, sooty exhaust. At highway speed, the engine was turning nearly 3 000 rpm, and sounded like it needed overdrive! Perhaps it's not fair to compare an older vehicle like this to one with a more modern engine--especially given that the full sized Mercedes is likely a rather heavy car. Have any of you experienced a diminishing of the sooty exhaust in an older diesel engine running biodiesel or svo? (As an aside, my interest in diesel engines was initially sparked when I managed a truck repair shop for my father in law. The 10 liter Cummins N14 and Detroit 60 series computerized turbos were the dominant engines of choice back then--they ran clean, produced tremendous torque, and most of them lasted well over 800 000 kilometers before requiring an overhaul. This is the kind of performance I'd like to see from automotive diesels!) Also, the Ford Ranger came with a 2.3 liter turbo diesel made by Mazda for a few years. Does anyone have any experience with this engine? The 6.2 and 6.5 liter
RE: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil
Here's a German company that sells a heating oil burner that uses cooking oil in a heating oil burner to heat the home. http://www.it-ag.de/Englisch/index1.html -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 2:31 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil Steve: What do you think about using this burner setup to burn waste vegetable oil? Used automobile oil does not burn as clean. I saw a german company selling a cooking oil burner to replace home heating oil, but this example would be good to start off! Give me a call, so I can see your VW Diesel Genset in operation! Greg There's another one here: MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html Also Skip Goebel just posted this to the Bioenergy list at CREST, see below. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:12:24 EDT Subject: BIO DIESEL/WASTE OIL MIX TEST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just finished testing biodiesel/waste oil mix. using a standard gun burner, with electric ignition, 2.5gph, 90 deg.f. outside temp. in mixtures up to 1/3 waste oil, there is clean burn and 100% ignition. over 1/3 up to 1/2 gives clean burn with no emmisions but ignition occurs only when fuel is over 70deg.f. higher mixture is possible, but not practical in small units, and unreliable in interuppted firing on cold days. also, emmisions start to show up. oil was used peanut oil, transestered and water washed. no gelling until 30 deg.f. cost of finished product is 23 cents/gal. i believe that a 50% mix used on cold days...say 40 deg.f., would be possible if bio diesel is made from oils with omega 3 acids in order to facilitate flow and more oxygen in fuel. conclusionwhile it is easy to burn fuels in burners over 5gph, this shows it is possible to utilize a standard unmodified gun burner of 2.5 gph. the standard size used for personal and small commercial applications. in addition, CO emmissions are almost 90% less than straight waste or #6 oiland this could be applied in a 50/50 mix on large burners. - Original Message -- From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:57:44 -0400 htmlbody tt check out the multi fuel burner atBR a href=http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/multifuelburner.htm;http:// www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/multifuelburner.htm/aBR BR Steve SpenceBR Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil
Steve: What do you think about using this burner setup to burn waste vegetable oil? Used automobile oil does not burn as clean. I saw a german company selling a cooking oil burner to replace home heating oil, but this example would be good to start off! Give me a call, so I can see your VW Diesel Genset in operation! Greg - Original Message -- From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:57:44 -0400 htmlbody tt check out the multi fuel burner atBR a href=http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/multifuelburner.htm;http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/multifuelburner.htm/aBR BR Steve SpenceBR Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter:BR a href=http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm;http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm/aBR BR Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil
Steve: What do you think about using this burner setup to burn waste vegetable oil? Used automobile oil does not burn as clean. I saw a german company selling a cooking oil burner to replace home heating oil, but this example would be good to start off! Give me a call, so I can see your VW Diesel Genset in operation! Greg There's another one here: MOTHER's Waste Oil Heater http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html Also Skip Goebel just posted this to the Bioenergy list at CREST, see below. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:12:24 EDT Subject: BIO DIESEL/WASTE OIL MIX TEST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just finished testing biodiesel/waste oil mix. using a standard gun burner, with electric ignition, 2.5gph, 90 deg.f. outside temp. in mixtures up to 1/3 waste oil, there is clean burn and 100% ignition. over 1/3 up to 1/2 gives clean burn with no emmisions but ignition occurs only when fuel is over 70deg.f. higher mixture is possible, but not practical in small units, and unreliable in interuppted firing on cold days. also, emmisions start to show up. oil was used peanut oil, transestered and water washed. no gelling until 30 deg.f. cost of finished product is 23 cents/gal. i believe that a 50% mix used on cold days...say 40 deg.f., would be possible if bio diesel is made from oils with omega 3 acids in order to facilitate flow and more oxygen in fuel. conclusionwhile it is easy to burn fuels in burners over 5gph, this shows it is possible to utilize a standard unmodified gun burner of 2.5 gph. the standard size used for personal and small commercial applications. in addition, CO emmissions are almost 90% less than straight waste or #6 oiland this could be applied in a 50/50 mix on large burners. - Original Message -- From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:57:44 -0400 htmlbody tt check out the multi fuel burner atBR a href=http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/multifuelburner.htm;http:// www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/multifuelburner.htm/aBR BR Steve SpenceBR Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil
Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil SEE: http://www.webb-sales.com/oil.html Ed B. Thanks Ed, That was interesting, I'd not seen that before. Good idea though. Hi Joe Do you know if 'washing' the used motor oil would help to get the particles out. Or would it help to clean it with a filter powder? Looking into it since some time. No recycling here in Zimbabwe. Usually its drawn into a hole on the dust roads and covered with sand after (best case... sometimes just right on the road...) Urs, I don't know what you mean by 'washing', but if you filter the oil well enough so that it doesn't plug up the fuel filter, then yes, by all means, mix it with the fuel. You are right, that is far better than dumping the used oil into a hole in the ground. Try that site from Ed again, it looks like that would work for you, although I don't know what kind of budget with which you are working. The device mixes at a rate of less than 1%, and draws the oil from the engine gallery (after it has been filtered). Also I believe there is a Cummins available that does never (or only every 100'000 miles or so) changes the oil but continuously replaces some of it with fresh oil and mixes the rest into the diesel...? (That's where I've got the idea from..) Since I have over 1000hp of diesel engines, I'm considering even collecting some of the oil if I find suitable solution... still better then if it's drawn into the ground... Thanks Urs Snip... Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil
Maybe it would work to put the used oil in a bucket and have a rag or something hanging over the side to that the oil would wick out and get filtered at the same time. On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:59:02 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil SEE: http://www.webb-sales.com/oil.html Ed B. Thanks Ed, That was interesting, I'd not seen that before. Good idea though. Hi Joe Do you know if 'washing' the used motor oil would help to get the particles out. Or would it help to clean it with a filter powder? Looking into it since some time. No recycling here in Zimbabwe. Usually its drawn into a hole on the dust roads and covered with sand after (best case... sometimes just right on the road...) Urs, I don't know what you mean by 'washing', but if you filter the oil well enough so that it doesn't plug up the fuel filter, then yes, by all means, mix it with the fuel. You are right, that is far better than dumping the used oil into a hole in the ground. Try that site from Ed again, it looks like that would work for you, although I don't know what kind of budget with which you are working. The device mixes at a rate of less than 1%, and draws the oil from the engine gallery (after it has been filtered). Also I believe there is a Cummins available that does never (or only every 100'000 miles or so) changes the oil but continuously replaces some of it with fresh oil and mixes the rest into the diesel...? (That's where I've got the idea from..) Since I have over 1000hp of diesel engines, I'm considering even collecting some of the oil if I find suitable solution... still better then if it's drawn into the ground... Thanks Urs Snip... Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- The Nissan Sentra Everything but compact http://NissanDriven.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vsIKC/txlCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil
Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC) Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil I know that diesel engines can sucessfully burn veggie oil, but I was wondering if the engine could handle burning used motor oil or transmission fluid resulting from a fluid change. Note that I am not talking about utilizing used motor oil as the entire fuel source, but about adding 7-8 quarts of used motor oil to a full take of standard diesel fuel once every 3-5,000 miles. Kyle Kyle, Yes you can add used motor oil to the fuel, but be aware that there are heavy metal contaminants in used motor oil, as well as small suspended particles (which is the oils job to keep suspended until the next oil change). These particles pass through the oil filter media, but quickly plug up a fuel filter, which has a much smaller filtering size, and no by-pass valve. When I worked for Cummins Engine Company a number of years ago, they sold a machine that would filter the used oil and blend it with the fuel. However they recommended no more than a 5% blend of oil to fuel. The oil capacity of the Cummins NT engines (the 6-cyl semi truck engine) was 44Qts. (US). You would be much better to take the used oil to a recycling center. :-) Joe Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- The Nissan Sentra Everything but compact http://NissanDriven.com http://us.click.yahoo.com/3vsIKC/txlCAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil
You will be contributing greatly to carbon emissions. Used motor oil is not like veggie oil, contains carbon etc, very bad for generally everyone. I ask you to please not do this. Martin --- Kyle Witten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that diesel engines can sucessfully burn veggie oil, but I was wondering if the engine could handle burning used motor oil or transmission fluid resulting from a fluid change. Note that I am not talking about utilizing used motor oil as the entire fuel source, but about adding 7-8 quarts of used motor oil to a full take of standard diesel fuel once every 3-5,000 miles. Kyle = http://devzero.ath.cx/ Visit the Systems Information Database Have some interesting information? Put it up on the SID. -Martin Klingensmith __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil
Thanks Ed... but the link does not seam to work? maybe a spelling problem? Urs - Original Message - From: Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil SEE: http://www.webb-sales.com/oil.html Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - Original Message - From: Biofuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil Hi Joe Do you know if 'washing' the used motor oil would help to get the particles out. Or would it help to clean it with a filter powder? Looking into it since some time. No recycling here in Zimbabwe. Usually its drawn into a hole on the dust roads and covered with sand after (best case... sometimes just right on the road...) or used around house/under foundations for termite protections or on wood to prevent from wood borers/termites. I know... don't tell me about the environment... but.. that's live here... Also I believe there is a Cummins available that does never (or only every 100'000 miles or so) changes the oil but continuously replaces some of it with fresh oil and mixes the rest into the diesel...? (That's where I've got the idea from..) Since I have over 1000hp of diesel engines, I'm considering even collecting some of the oil if I find suitable solution... still better then if it's drawn into the ground... Thanks Urs Snip... I know that diesel engines can sucessfully burn veggie oil, but I was wondering if the engine could handle burning used motor oil or transmission fluid resulting from a fluid change. Note that I am not talking about utilizing used motor oil as the entire fuel source, but about adding 7-8 quarts of used motor oil to a full take of standard diesel fuel once every 3-5,000 miles. Kyle Kyle, Yes you can add used motor oil to the fuel, but be aware that there are heavy metal contaminants in used motor oil, as well as small suspended particles (which is the oils job to keep suspended until the next oil change). These particles pass through the oil filter media, but quickly plug up a fuel filter, which has a much smaller filtering size, and no by-pass valve. When I worked for Cummins Engine Company a number of years ago, they sold a machine that would filter the used oil and blend it with the fuel. However they recommended no more than a 5% blend of oil to fuel. The oil capacity of the Cummins NT engines (the 6-cyl semi truck engine) was 44Qts. (US). You would be much better to take the used oil to a recycling center. :-) Joe Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil
I was told that you can filter used oil by running it through a big funnel crammed with paper towels. Clean, reusable oil comes out the bottom, leaving you with only the paper towels to dispose of. snip Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel
Jeremy of course I was referring to Michaels comment : If it is one of the recent engines that uses fuel injection, you will not be able to alternatively fuel the engine. when I said this statement is not true in the case of diesel/biodiesel I can see how it was misunderstood though. will try to do better on associating comment to the original quote. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel Mr Spence, I am now very very curious. Give me an example of a diesel engine that doesn't have an injection system. Every diesel I have ever worked on has an injection system, weather it be mechanical or electrical. I guess in theory, you could charge the air, kinda like a carburator does for a gasoline engine, but that defeats the whole purpose of the engine being more efficient. Just really curious now. (Saving my 2 cents to make a bio-proccesser.) ;-) Jeremy Hello Jeremy I think Steve's saying this statement refers to the original statement quoted by Michael: If it is one of the recent engines that uses fuel injection, you will not be able to alternatively fuel the engine. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: all diesels are fuel injected. this statement is not true in the case of diesel/biodiesel if you had an gas engine with injectors, it would be challenging to run a gaseous fuel like propane (but not impossible) Steve Spence Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel
Exactly right, it's called pilot injection and is an alternative to fitting spark plugs when using gaseous fuel such as from a wood gasifier or any other source. Fuel use in the pilot system can be rather minor once the engine is warmed up. David T. As I understand it, Diesels running on gaseous fuels such as NG have the normal injectors for liquid fuel and also have some sort of gaseous fuel distribution system in the inlet stream. A small amount of liquid fuel is injected to start combustion. Don Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Valley Center, CA Senior Software Engineer Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel
Mr Spence, I am now very very curious. Give me an example of a diesel engine that doesn't have an injection system. Every diesel I have ever worked on has an injection system, weather it be mechanical or electrical. I guess in theory, you could charge the air, kinda like a carburator does for a gasoline engine, but that defeats the whole purpose of the engine being more efficient. Just really curious now. (Saving my 2 cents to make a bio-proccesser.) ;-) Jeremy Hello Jeremy I think Steve's saying this statement refers to the original statement quoted by Michael: If it is one of the recent engines that uses fuel injection, you will not be able to alternatively fuel the engine. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: all diesels are fuel injected. this statement is not true in the case of diesel/biodiesel if you had an gas engine with injectors, it would be challenging to run a gaseous fuel like propane (but not impossible) Steve Spence Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel
I recently read this: If it is one of the recent engines that uses fuel injection, you will not be able to alternati ly fuel the engine. Alternative fuels may have contaminants that will cause injector problems. on http://outlands.tripod.com/farm/s01.htm Is this true? Michael Dewolf Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Mike, I went to that site and read what was said. He is referring to using a modern gasoline fueled auto engine to run a generator after the fall of society. What he says is partially true. A multi-port fuel injected engine is controlled by the computer that is located in the vehicle. The computer is fed information on hundreds of parameters by dozens of sensors. The computer is calibrated to gasoline fuel and a stoichiometric air /fuel ratio of 14.58 to 1. Different fuels (eg alcohols) require different air/fuel ratios. The injectors are capable of flowing the proper amount, but the computer can't compensate for increased flow- that is unless there are sensors in the fuel that tell the computer what kind of fuel is in the tank. Yes, that exists as well. The automotive industry has a sensor that will tell the computer how much alcohol is in the fuel tank, and the computer changes fuel flow, timing and a few other parameters so the engine runs well on that blend. A variable fuel vehicle will then operated on any alchohol/gasoline blend from 0 to 100%. GM marketed several flex fuel vehicles in The States. The change in engine performance is invisible to the customer. Diesels are a different matter. Their stoich. ratio varies from 14 to 1 up to 78 to one. Just about any combustible fuel will run a comression ignition engine. That's about it in a nutshell. Helpful? Joe Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel
I recently read this: If it is one of the recent engines that uses fuel injection, you will not be able to alternati ly fuel the engine. Alternative fuels may have contaminants that will cause injector problems. on http://outlands.tripod.com/farm/s01.htm Is this true? Michael Dewolf I think that ref is to gasoline engines, all diesels have fuel injectors. Anyway, have you noticed all the messages in various threads talking about how you need to be very careful of fuel filtering after you first start using biodiesel because it frees up all the gunky deposits left by dinodiesel? That's definitely the case. So which would you say has the contaminants? Things have changed in the last year or two, I think the methods we have available now, used properly and with sufficient care, can produce a rather high-quality and reliable product. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel
all diesels are fuel injected. this statement is not true in the case of diesel/biodiesel if you had an gas engine with injectors, it would be challenging to run a gaseous fuel like propane (but not impossible) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Michael DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel I recently read this: If it is one of the recent engines that uses fuel injection, you will not be able to alternati ly fuel the engine. Alternative fuels may have contaminants that will cause injector problems. on http://outlands.tripod.com/farm/s01.htm Is this true? Michael Dewolf Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel
I have received info from racor on their 2 micron heated filter for $118/ US Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel I recently read this: If it is one of the recent engines that uses fuel injection, you will not be able to alternati ly fuel the engine. Alternative fuels may have contaminants that will cause injector problems. on http://outlands.tripod.com/farm/s01.htm Is this true? Michael Dewolf I think that ref is to gasoline engines, all diesels have fuel injectors. Anyway, have you noticed all the messages in various threads talking about how you need to be very careful of fuel filtering after you first start using biodiesel because it frees up all the gunky deposits left by dinodiesel? That's definitely the case. So which would you say has the contaminants? Things have changed in the last year or two, I think the methods we have available now, used properly and with sufficient care, can produce a rather high-quality and reliable product. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel
Mr Spence, I am now very very curious. Give me an example of a diesel engine that doesn't have an injection system. Every diesel I have ever worked on has an injection system, weather it be mechanical or electrical. I guess in theory, you could charge the air, kinda like a carburator does for a gasoline engine, but that defeats the whole purpose of the engine being more efficient. Just really curious now. (Saving my 2 cents to make a bio-proccesser.) ;-) Jeremy --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: all diesels are fuel injected. this statement is not true in the case of diesel/biodiesel if you had an gas engine with injectors, it would be challenging to run a gaseous fuel like propane (but not impossible) Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Michael DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel I recently read this: If it is one of the recent engines that uses fuel injection, you will not be able to alternati ly fuel the engine. Alternative fuels may have contaminants that will cause injector problems. on http://outlands.tripod.com/farm/s01.htm Is this true? Michael Dewolf Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel
Please respond to biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com cc:(bcc: Joseph Martelle/US/GM/GMC) Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel Mr Spence, I am now very very curious. Give me an example of a diesel engine that doesn't have an injection system. Every diesel I have ever worked on has an injection system, weather it be mechanical or electrical. I guess in theory, you could charge the air, kinda like a carburator does for a gasoline engine, but that defeats the whole purpose of the engine being more efficient. Just really curious now. (Saving my 2 cents to make a bio-proccesser.) ;-) Jeremy --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: all diesels are fuel injected. this statement is not true in the case of diesel/biodiesel if you had an gas engine with injectors, it would be challenging to run a gaseous fuel like propane (but not impossible) My Schwans delivery man has a new Ford Medium duty truck that is propane fueled with injectors that inject liquid propane. Don't know if it's port fuel inj or not. JM Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Michael DeWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel I recently read this: If it is one of the recent engines that uses fuel injection, you will not be able to alternati ly fuel the engine. Alternative fuels may have contaminants that will cause injector problems. on http://outlands.tripod.com/farm/s01.htm Is this true? Michael Dewolf Yahoo! Groups Sponsor www. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines - running on biodiesel
Mr Spence, I am now very very curious. Give me an example of a diesel engine that doesn't have an injection system. Every diesel I have ever worked on has an injection system, weather it be mechanical or electrical. I guess in theory, you could charge the air, kinda like a carburator does for a gasoline engine, but that defeats the whole purpose of the engine being more efficient. As I understand it, Diesels running on gaseous fuels such as NG have the normal injectors for liquid fuel and also have some sort of gaseous fuel distribution system in the inlet stream. A small amount of liquid fuel is injected to start combustion. Don Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Valley Center, CA Senior Software Engineer http://members.cts.com/crash/d/donb http://www.oldengine.org/members/ihc14 http://www.oldengine.org/members/ferguson/ http://www.corvair.org/chapters/chapter920/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
