Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
Hi Dawie...thanks for this apology, but not necessary, and, as I've stated, I understand you were not intending to divert attention from the issue of medical freedom, which this apology also does. At the risk of seeming to intend to be ornery and cantankerous, but actually intending to have you put on your thinking hat, I'm still asking you how you think technological freedom can enhance medical freedom. Mike - Original Message - From: Dawie Coetzee To: Biofuels Mailing List Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time Sorry Mike, really not my intention. I suppose we all have our areas of intense concern, and perforce we need to let other topics slide however much we respect the efforts of those dealing with them. And I suppose we are all on the perpetual lookout for opportunities to push our pet issues (you are welcome to pursue any I inadvertently happen to give you!) My apologies. -Dawie - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, 1 March, 2007 11:59:03 AM Subject: Biofuel Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 From: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 02:22:38 -0600 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0028_01C75BA8.7B474490 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time Message: 7 That's all well and good, Dawie, but, imo, your broadening the focus of the post averts attention from the point of the post that our medical freedom is under intense fire thereby harming the post by changing the subject. I know this isn't your intent, but as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. How does technological freedom enhance our medical freedom? Help us out here and show us how technological freedom enhances medical freedom. Thanks. Mike DuPre -- New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. -- What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
Mike My intention in my first response to your post was to indicate that there is a direct parallel between medicine and manufacturing in the regard pertinent to the Rush quote. I think my choice of terminology in freedom of technology might have been unfortunate, as it was clear from subsequent posts that other interpretations are possible that did not occur to me at the time. It is perhaps typical of someone who broods a lot on a topic to begin to attach specific meanings to certain terms, which might deviate from the popular sense. Thus I tend to use the term technology in a fairly narrow sense of craft-method: in fairness I ought to have elucidated that. Perhaps freedom of craft would be a better term. My wish was to state that the current attack upon the free practice of the craft of healing is similar to the current attack upon the free practice of many other crafts. Given that sense I hope it is fairly obvious how freedom of craft would enhance medical freedom. I suppose both boil down to freedom of method, the right to do things in a way that makes practical sense to you rather than financial sense to powerful organizations. This involves the idea of common sense and the worth of vernacular method, and a whole cluster of ideas that might reward further development. I hope I've answered your question. Best regards Dawie - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, 2 March, 2007 3:14:05 PM Subject: Biofuel Digest, Vol 23, Issue 7 From: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:14:49 -0600 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0033_01C75C9A.77178EA0 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time Message: 8 Hi Dawie...thanks for this apology, but not necessary, and, as I've stated, I understand you were not intending to divert attention from the issue of medical freedom, which this apology also does. At the risk of seeming to intend to be ornery and cantankerous, but actually intending to have you put on your thinking hat, I'm still asking you how you think technological freedom can enhance medical freedom. Mike ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
That's all well and good, Dawie, but, imo, your broadening the focus of the post averts attention from the point of the post that our medical freedom is under intense fire thereby harming the post by changing the subject. I know this isn't your intent, but as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. How does technological freedom enhance our medical freedom? Help us out here and show us how technological freedom enhances medical freedom. Thanks. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Dawie Coetzee To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time I would broaden that to technological freedom. With apologies: Unless we put technological freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when manufacture will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of making to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: ... Isn't that exactly what has happened? -D - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, 28 February, 2007 2:53:23 PM Subject: Biofuel Digest, Vol 22, Issue 94 From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:30:22 -0600 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0324_01C75AE0.65308040 Subject: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time Message: 4 Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: The Constitution of this Republic should make a special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom. - Dr. Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence I think what we have here in the USA is deadly medicine for all thanks to the FDA, the AMA, and Big Pharma along with a very cooperative Congress. Medicine here seems to be for population culling, profiteering, and control. D. Mindock -- All New Yahoo! Mail - Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
Yes this is effectively what is happening, but on the other hand the techie types that turn the wheels in the high tech arena are also people with a personal life and there are plenty of them that don't just twiddle their thumbs at home. This is why there is such a plethora of do it yerself information on the web. We have been reading lately about plans to restrict, control, and censor the flow of information on the web and obviously it is to serve the denial of privelige you refer to but I believe it is impossible now. The net has already taken on a life of it's own so it will morph as necessary to adapt to the situation and preserve the freedom it needs. Joe MK DuPree wrote: That's all well and good, Dawie, but, imo, your broadening the focus of the post averts attention from the point of the post that our medical freedom is under intense fire thereby harming the post by changing the subject. I know this isn't your intent, but as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. How does technological freedom enhance our medical freedom? Help us out here and show us how technological freedom enhances medical freedom. Thanks. Mike DuPree - Original Message - *From:* Dawie Coetzee mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:21 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time I would broaden that to technological freedom. With apologies: */Unless we put technological freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when manufacture will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of making to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others:/* ... Isn't that exactly what has happened? -D - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, 28 February, 2007 2:53:23 PM Subject: Biofuel Digest, Vol 22, Issue 94 From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:30:22 -0600 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0324_01C75AE0.65308040 Subject: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time Message: 4 /*Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: _The Constitution of this Republic should make a special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom._* / - *Dr. Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence* ** *I think what we have here in the USA is deadly medicine for all thanks to the FDA, the AMA, and Big Pharma along with a very cooperative Congress. Medicine here seems to be for population culling, profiteering, and control. D. Mindock* All New Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/nowyoucan/spamguard/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40565/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html - Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
No argument, Joe, so how does technical freedom enhance medical freedom? Technical freedom could easily mean the freedom to create genetically modified seed, food, people. But then, same could be said for medical freedom. Perhaps the whole business of freedom is a ruse. Thanks, D, for leading us into this quagmire of despair and unrelenting bullshit...:P - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time Yes this is effectively what is happening, but on the other hand the techie types that turn the wheels in the high tech arena are also people with a personal life and there are plenty of them that don't just twiddle their thumbs at home. This is why there is such a plethora of do it yerself information on the web. We have been reading lately about plans to restrict, control, and censor the flow of information on the web and obviously it is to serve the denial of privelige you refer to but I believe it is impossible now. The net has already taken on a life of it's own so it will morph as necessary to adapt to the situation and preserve the freedom it needs. Joe MK DuPree wrote: That's all well and good, Dawie, but, imo, your broadening the focus of the post averts attention from the point of the post that our medical freedom is under intense fire thereby harming the post by changing the subject. I know this isn't your intent, but as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. How does technological freedom enhance our medical freedom? Help us out here and show us how technological freedom enhances medical freedom. Thanks. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Dawie Coetzee To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time I would broaden that to technological freedom. With apologies: Unless we put technological freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when manufacture will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of making to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: ... Isn't that exactly what has happened? -D - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, 28 February, 2007 2:53:23 PM Subject: Biofuel Digest, Vol 22, Issue 94 From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:30:22 -0600 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0324_01C75AE0.65308040 Subject: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time Message: 4 Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: The Constitution of this Republic should make a special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom. - Dr. Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence I think what we have here in the USA is deadly medicine for all thanks to the FDA, the AMA, and Big Pharma along with a very cooperative Congress. Medicine here seems to be for population culling, profiteering, and control. D. Mindock -- All New Yahoo! Mail - Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
Well Medicine has become very technical. I don't think you can separate the two in the case of western medicine. The DIY factor is still there though in terms of alternative medicinejust trying to answer your question and seem hopeful at the same time;) there's always hope!! Joe MK DuPree wrote: No argument, Joe, so how does technical freedom enhance medical freedom? Technical freedom could easily mean the freedom to create genetically modified seed, food, people. But then, same could be said for medical freedom. Perhaps the whole business of freedom is a ruse. Thanks, D, for leading us into this quagmire of despair and unrelenting bullshit...:P - Original Message - *From:* Joe Street mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:08 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time Yes this is effectively what is happening, but on the other hand the techie types that turn the wheels in the high tech arena are also people with a personal life and there are plenty of them that don't just twiddle their thumbs at home. This is why there is such a plethora of do it yerself information on the web. We have been reading lately about plans to restrict, control, and censor the flow of information on the web and obviously it is to serve the denial of privelige you refer to but I believe it is impossible now. The net has already taken on a life of it's own so it will morph as necessary to adapt to the situation and preserve the freedom it needs. Joe MK DuPree wrote: That's all well and good, Dawie, but, imo, your broadening the focus of the post averts attention from the point of the post that our medical freedom is under intense fire thereby harming the post by changing the subject. I know this isn't your intent, but as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. How does technological freedom enhance our medical freedom? Help us out here and show us how technological freedom enhances medical freedom. Thanks. Mike DuPree - Original Message - *From:* Dawie Coetzee mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:21 AM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time I would broaden that to technological freedom. With apologies: */Unless we put technological freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when manufacture will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of making to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others:/* ... Isn't that exactly what has happened? -D - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, 28 February, 2007 2:53:23 PM Subject: Biofuel Digest, Vol 22, Issue 94 From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:30:22 -0600 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0324_01C75AE0.65308040 Subject: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time Message: 4 /*Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: _The Constitution of this Republic should make a special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom._* / - *Dr. Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence* ** *I think what we have here in the USA is deadly medicine for all thanks to the FDA, the AMA, and Big Pharma along with a very cooperative Congress. Medicine here seems to be for population culling, profiteering, and control. D. Mindock* All New Yahoo! Mail http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/nowyoucan/spamguard/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40565/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html - Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
In California a physician can treat cancer with
1.surgery
2 chemotherapy
3 radiation
anything else is a felony.
That is because the allopaths have outlawed non allopathic medicine.
Kirk
Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well Medicine has become very technical. I don't think you can separate the
two in the case of western medicine. The DIY factor is still there though in
terms of alternative medicinejust trying to answer your question and seem
hopeful at the same time;)
there's always hope!!
Joe
MK DuPree wrote:
No argument, Joe, so how does technical freedom enhance medical freedom?
Technical freedom could easily mean the freedom to create genetically modified
seed, food, people. But then, same could be said for medical freedom. Perhaps
the whole business of freedom is a ruse. Thanks, D, for leading us into this
quagmire of despair and unrelenting bullshit...:P
- Original Message -
From: Joe Street
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
Yes this is effectively what is happening, but on the other hand the techie
types that turn the wheels in the high tech arena are also people with a
personal life and there are plenty of them that don't just twiddle their thumbs
at home. This is why there is such a plethora of do it yerself information on
the web. We have been reading lately about plans to restrict, control, and
censor the flow of information on the web and obviously it is to serve the
denial of privelige you refer to but I believe it is impossible now. The net
has already taken on a life of it's own so it will morph as necessary to adapt
to the situation and preserve the freedom it needs.
Joe
MK DuPree wrote:
DIV { MARGIN: 0px } That's all well and good, Dawie, but,
imo, your broadening the focus of the post averts attention from the point of
the post that our medical freedom is under intense fire thereby harming the
post by changing the subject. I know this isn't your intent, but as they say,
the road to hell is paved with good intentions. How does technological freedom
enhance our medical freedom? Help us out here and show us how technological
freedom enhances medical freedom. Thanks. Mike DuPree
- Original Message -
From: Dawie Coetzee
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
I would broaden that to technological freedom. With apologies: Unless we
put technological freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when
manufacture will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art
of making to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: ... Isn't
that exactly what has happened? -D
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Message: 4
Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art
of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: The
Constitution of this Republic should make a special privilege for medical
freedom as well as religious freedom.
- Dr. Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence
I think what we have here in the USA is deadly medicine for all thanks to the
FDA, the AMA, and
Big Pharma along with a very cooperative Congress. Medicine here seems to be
for population
culling, profiteering, and control. D. Mindock
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Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
Sorry Mike, really not my intention. I suppose we all have our areas of intense concern, and perforce we need to let other topics slide however much we respect the efforts of those dealing with them. And I suppose we are all on the perpetual lookout for opportunities to push our pet issues (you are welcome to pursue any I inadvertently happen to give you!) My apologies. -Dawie - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, 1 March, 2007 11:59:03 AM Subject: Biofuel Digest, Vol 23, Issue 1 From: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 02:22:38 -0600 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0028_01C75BA8.7B474490 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time Message: 7 That's all well and good, Dawie, but, imo, your broadening the focus of the post averts attention from the point of the post that our medical freedom is under intense fire thereby harming the post by changing the subject. I know this isn't your intent, but as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. How does technological freedom enhance our medical freedom? Help us out here and show us how technological freedom enhances medical freedom. Thanks. Mike DuPre New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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D...you first alerted the List to the Real ID Act in connection with Rife enthusiasts. I'm convinced the purposes go far beyond Rife concerns as the Rush quote and you have indicated. Looks like it's way past time for Rush's concern to be implemented. The last amendment to the U.S. Constitution lowered the voting age to 18 out of guilt for conscripting our youth who could not vote at the time to die and be forever damaged in Vietnam. Seems a similar argument could be used in regards to medical freedom, except that the present conscription is more insidious. Folks don't even know they are being conscripted. Present them with the facts and they think you're crazy. Truly, The Invasion of the Body Snatchers has become more real than the movie. U.S. Citizens: States--Reject Real ID; Congress--Repeal Real ID. If you will not act, you will be acted upon. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: D. Mindock To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:30 AM Subject: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: The Constitution of this Republic should make a special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom. - Dr. Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence I think what we have here in the USA is deadly medicine for all thanks to the FDA, the AMA, and Big Pharma along with a very cooperative Congress. Medicine here seems to be for population culling, profiteering, and control. D. Mindock -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time
I would broaden that to technological freedom. With apologies: Unless we put technological freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when manufacture will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of making to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: ... Isn't that exactly what has happened? -D - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, 28 February, 2007 2:53:23 PM Subject: Biofuel Digest, Vol 22, Issue 94 From: D. Mindock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:30:22 -0600 Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0324_01C75AE0.65308040 Subject: [Biofuel] A quote for our time from another time Message: 4 Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others: The Constitution of this Republic should make a special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom. - Dr. Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence I think what we have here in the USA is deadly medicine for all thanks to the FDA, the AMA, and Big Pharma along with a very cooperative Congress. Medicine here seems to be for population culling, profiteering, and control. D. Mindock ___ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
