Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me
yah, that's what I meant to say. Jesse --- Dawie Coetzee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The practicality of local restaurants that supply general meals as opposed to venues for special occasions may, I think, be much improved by better urban spatial arrangements. This sort of thing makes a lot of sense in an urban environment that places decent numbers of people within a walking radius and then encourages them to walk, provides physical conditions conducive to the emergence of large numbers of local small businesses, and generally supports civic relationships between people in the neighbourhood. It's amazing how something like the width of the space between buildings on opposite sides of a street can influence the way an entire economy works. -Dawie - Original Message From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, 8 March, 2007 5:02:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me If one chooses not to keep appliances for cooking or storing food, eating out all the time could make sense. If one lives alone, or the schedule means they are seldom at home for meals, this could even make financial sense. No refrigerator, no freezer, no stove, no energy bill associated with those activities, no grocery bill, no worries about food spoiling. No need for a kitchen, saves living space. Just skipping the trips for groceries appeals to me, not to mention cooking for others with dynamic schedules. Actually, most dormitories I have experienced are based on this premise (no kitchen, all meals taken at food service locations of some kind). May apply to other situations as well. Just my 2 cents. Darryl Jason Katie wrote: eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. - Original Message - *From:* MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:02 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me What do you feel is bizarre and wonder if there is a point, Jason? Mike - Original Message - *From:* Jason Katie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - *From:* MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By * Laura McHugh * http://www2.ljworld.com/staff/laura_mchugh/ Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. Im not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fishers weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh
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Oh sure muddy the issue with numbersyou know Keith doesn't allow that! ;) Joe Jesse Frayne wrote: Flirt! You KNOW I'm old enough to be your mother. I'm practically old enough to be Darryl's mother, fercryinoutloud. Cheers. --- Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You rock Jesse! Has there ever been a marriage proposal on this list? Oh yeah someone already got to you first.damn ;) Joe Jesse Frayne wrote: This thread is just so ME!! I shop and cook for my neighbourhood, they pick up their dinners up on the way home from work. I feed some single moms, bachelors, a few couples who work ridiculous hours, a few housebound people (deliveries). It's quite a nice community thing too, since the neighbours come in and sit around. Organic and local produce when possible, definitely all fresh... recycled containers (sanitizer on the dishwasher) Eventually everything will be local. Jesse --- Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one chooses not to keep appliances for cooking or storing food, eating out all the time could make sense. If one lives alone, or the schedule means they are seldom at home for meals, this could even make financial sense. No refrigerator, no freezer, no stove, no energy bill associated with those activities, no grocery bill, no worries about food spoiling. No need for a kitchen, saves living space. Just skipping the trips for groceries appeals to me, not to mention cooking for others with dynamic schedules. Actually, most dormitories I have experienced are based on this premise (no kitchen, all meals taken at food service locations of some kind). May apply to other situations as well. Just my 2 cents. Darryl Jason Katie wrote: eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. Jesse Frayne itsdinner.ca Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Jesse Frayne itsdinner.ca Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me
This thread is just so ME!! I shop and cook for my neighbourhood, they pick up their dinners up on the way home from work. I feed some single moms, bachelors, a few couples who work ridiculous hours, a few housebound people (deliveries). It's quite a nice community thing too, since the neighbours come in and sit around. Organic and local produce when possible, definitely all fresh... recycled containers (sanitizer on the dishwasher) Eventually everything will be local. Jesse --- Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one chooses not to keep appliances for cooking or storing food, eating out all the time could make sense. If one lives alone, or the schedule means they are seldom at home for meals, this could even make financial sense. No refrigerator, no freezer, no stove, no energy bill associated with those activities, no grocery bill, no worries about food spoiling. No need for a kitchen, saves living space. Just skipping the trips for groceries appeals to me, not to mention cooking for others with dynamic schedules. Actually, most dormitories I have experienced are based on this premise (no kitchen, all meals taken at food service locations of some kind). May apply to other situations as well. Just my 2 cents. Darryl Jason Katie wrote: eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. Jesse Frayne itsdinner.ca Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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How does local burger's oil titrate? I notice a correlation between titration value and the values of the restauranteur. MK DuPree wrote: Thanks for the response, Jason. Agreed. Obviously, however, Local Burger makes its' point of selling health consciousness (in more ways than just personal with food but also socially by supporting local economics) when some guy /does/ eat there for all his meals and loses weight and becomes healthier overall, unlike doing same at McDonald's. For sure, eating locally grown, properly cared for meat and organic produce at home is ideal. But when you don't want to, it's great to have a Local Burger as a choice instead of McDonald's. The message a place like this sends to the community is also helpful in the fight against Big Agra, Big Pharma, etc. Mike DuPree - Original Message - *From:* Jason Katie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:16 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. - Original Message - *From:* MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:02 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me What do you feel is bizarre and wonder if there is a point, Jason? Mike - Original Message - *From:* Jason Katie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - *From:* MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By *Laura McHugh* http://www2.ljworld.com/staff/laura_mchugh/ Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. I'm not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fisher's weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, that's what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrence's Local Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce. I've lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great, Fisher said. I have a lot more energy than I used to. Local Burger's owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher
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You rock Jesse! Has there ever been a marriage proposal on this list? Oh yeah someone already got to you first.damn ;) Joe Jesse Frayne wrote: This thread is just so ME!! I shop and cook for my neighbourhood, they pick up their dinners up on the way home from work. I feed some single moms, bachelors, a few couples who work ridiculous hours, a few housebound people (deliveries). It's quite a nice community thing too, since the neighbours come in and sit around. Organic and local produce when possible, definitely all fresh... recycled containers (sanitizer on the dishwasher) Eventually everything will be local. Jesse --- Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one chooses not to keep appliances for cooking or storing food, eating out all the time could make sense. If one lives alone, or the schedule means they are seldom at home for meals, this could even make financial sense. No refrigerator, no freezer, no stove, no energy bill associated with those activities, no grocery bill, no worries about food spoiling. No need for a kitchen, saves living space. Just skipping the trips for groceries appeals to me, not to mention cooking for others with dynamic schedules. Actually, most dormitories I have experienced are based on this premise (no kitchen, all meals taken at food service locations of some kind). May apply to other situations as well. Just my 2 cents. Darryl Jason Katie wrote: eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. Jesse Frayne itsdinner.ca Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Don't know, Joe. According to their website (www.localburger.com) they use coconut oil. I see there's a blog on their site too. You might ask. Mike - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me How does local burger's oil titrate? I notice a correlation between titration value and the values of the restauranteur. MK DuPree wrote: Thanks for the response, Jason. Agreed. Obviously, however, Local Burger makes its' point of selling health consciousness (in more ways than just personal with food but also socially by supporting local economics) when some guy does eat there for all his meals and loses weight and becomes healthier overall, unlike doing same at McDonald's. For sure, eating locally grown, properly cared for meat and organic produce at home is ideal. But when you don't want to, it's great to have a Local Burger as a choice instead of McDonald's. The message a place like this sends to the community is also helpful in the fight against Big Agra, Big Pharma, etc. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me What do you feel is bizarre and wonder if there is a point, Jason? Mike - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By Laura McHugh Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. I'm not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fisher's weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, that's what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrence's Local Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce. I've lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great, Fisher said. I have a lot more energy than I used to. Local Burger's owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the project, which she calls Localize Me, a play on Super Size Me, a movie in which the filmmaker eats only McDonald's fast food for a month. He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just being committed to this journey, Brown said. That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a day, for an entire month. At first, Fisher worried the healthy fare would not satisfy his super-sized appetite. I thought I was going to starve to death eating little tiny portions
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Flirt! You KNOW I'm old enough to be your mother. I'm practically old enough to be Darryl's mother, fercryinoutloud. Cheers. --- Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You rock Jesse! Has there ever been a marriage proposal on this list? Oh yeah someone already got to you first.damn ;) Joe Jesse Frayne wrote: This thread is just so ME!! I shop and cook for my neighbourhood, they pick up their dinners up on the way home from work. I feed some single moms, bachelors, a few couples who work ridiculous hours, a few housebound people (deliveries). It's quite a nice community thing too, since the neighbours come in and sit around. Organic and local produce when possible, definitely all fresh... recycled containers (sanitizer on the dishwasher) Eventually everything will be local. Jesse --- Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one chooses not to keep appliances for cooking or storing food, eating out all the time could make sense. If one lives alone, or the schedule means they are seldom at home for meals, this could even make financial sense. No refrigerator, no freezer, no stove, no energy bill associated with those activities, no grocery bill, no worries about food spoiling. No need for a kitchen, saves living space. Just skipping the trips for groceries appeals to me, not to mention cooking for others with dynamic schedules. Actually, most dormitories I have experienced are based on this premise (no kitchen, all meals taken at food service locations of some kind). May apply to other situations as well. Just my 2 cents. Darryl Jason Katie wrote: eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. Jesse Frayne itsdinner.ca Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Jesse Frayne itsdinner.ca Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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The practicality of local restaurants that supply general meals as opposed to venues for special occasions may, I think, be much improved by better urban spatial arrangements. This sort of thing makes a lot of sense in an urban environment that places decent numbers of people within a walking radius and then encourages them to walk, provides physical conditions conducive to the emergence of large numbers of local small businesses, and generally supports civic relationships between people in the neighbourhood. It's amazing how something like the width of the space between buildings on opposite sides of a street can influence the way an entire economy works. -Dawie - Original Message From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, 8 March, 2007 5:02:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me If one chooses not to keep appliances for cooking or storing food, eating out all the time could make sense. If one lives alone, or the schedule means they are seldom at home for meals, this could even make financial sense. No refrigerator, no freezer, no stove, no energy bill associated with those activities, no grocery bill, no worries about food spoiling. No need for a kitchen, saves living space. Just skipping the trips for groceries appeals to me, not to mention cooking for others with dynamic schedules. Actually, most dormitories I have experienced are based on this premise (no kitchen, all meals taken at food service locations of some kind). May apply to other situations as well. Just my 2 cents. Darryl Jason Katie wrote: eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. - Original Message - *From:* MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:02 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me What do you feel is bizarre and wonder if there is a point, Jason? Mike - Original Message - *From:* Jason Katie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - *From:* MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By * Laura McHugh * http://www2.ljworld.com/staff/laura_mchugh/ Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. Im not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fishers weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, thats what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants
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MK DuPree wrote: Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. SNIP. It's an interesting read, those comments. Now, here's an exercise in debate 101; How many of the following logical fallacies can you spot in the comments? -- argumentum ad logicam (argument from fallacy) in argument form; if A then B A is false, therefore B is false. To wit; P(rotagonist) I am a man. I drive a car, that means I am a man, because men drive cars A(ntagonist) My sister drives a car, and she is not a man. Therefore you are not a man Affirming the consequent If A, then B B therefore A (really common on right wing talk radio) If Alice were a real communist, Alice wouldn't own any real property Alice doesn't own any real property Therefore, Alice is a communist - Straw man (really really common in nearly all political debates) P(rotagonist) I think global warming is a 'bad-thing' A(ntagonist) Living in the stone age in no picnic The antagonist has implied that the protagonist advocates giving up on all technology, neatly side-stepping all debate about what efforts can be made to address the actual issue. --- argument by authority Bob makes statement B Bob is a noted authority Therefore statement B is true. (I see this all the time, everywhere, this mail list, and pretty much in any and all debates) Bob can makde statement B, and this statement may be true or false. This is an expressed 'factual claim'. However, the conclusion that statement B is true, based on Bob's authority, is only implied. Therefore logically, it doesn't stand. - And the converse, (my personal favorite, the base of our last long thread here on the mailing list) argumentum ad hominem (argument against the man) Christie makes statement C; There is something about Christie folks don't like, Therefore statement C is false. This can go on and on. And it feeds lots and lots of other logical fallacies. Dave claims that polychorinated biphenols found in our aquifer are bad. Dave is a hippy Hippies don't have jobs Therefore anyone claiming pcbs are bad is trying to take our jobs. Pretty much anything you hear from news commentators here in the US follows this (lack of) logic. --- Google logical fallacy sometime. It's fun and educational! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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LOL...I think, which means, therefore, I probably am not. LOL Anyway, I wonder how you might classify my comments on the webpage to the story. Nonetheless, thanks, Chip, for the debate lesson and google search. You would love the video Thank You For Smoking. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me MK DuPree wrote: Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. SNIP. It's an interesting read, those comments. Now, here's an exercise in debate 101; How many of the following logical fallacies can you spot in the comments? -- argumentum ad logicam (argument from fallacy) in argument form; if A then B A is false, therefore B is false. To wit; P(rotagonist) I am a man. I drive a car, that means I am a man, because men drive cars A(ntagonist) My sister drives a car, and she is not a man. Therefore you are not a man Affirming the consequent If A, then B B therefore A (really common on right wing talk radio) If Alice were a real communist, Alice wouldn't own any real property Alice doesn't own any real property Therefore, Alice is a communist - Straw man (really really common in nearly all political debates) P(rotagonist) I think global warming is a 'bad-thing' A(ntagonist) Living in the stone age in no picnic The antagonist has implied that the protagonist advocates giving up on all technology, neatly side-stepping all debate about what efforts can be made to address the actual issue. --- argument by authority Bob makes statement B Bob is a noted authority Therefore statement B is true. (I see this all the time, everywhere, this mail list, and pretty much in any and all debates) Bob can makde statement B, and this statement may be true or false. This is an expressed 'factual claim'. However, the conclusion that statement B is true, based on Bob's authority, is only implied. Therefore logically, it doesn't stand. - And the converse, (my personal favorite, the base of our last long thread here on the mailing list) argumentum ad hominem (argument against the man) Christie makes statement C; There is something about Christie folks don't like, Therefore statement C is false. This can go on and on. And it feeds lots and lots of other logical fallacies. Dave claims that polychorinated biphenols found in our aquifer are bad. Dave is a hippy Hippies don't have jobs Therefore anyone claiming pcbs are bad is trying to take our jobs. Pretty much anything you hear from news commentators here in the US follows this (lack of) logic. --- Google logical fallacy sometime. It's fun and educational! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Hallo Chip, One really has to be careful about logic. It is more than just Modus Ponens, Modus Tollens, disjunctive syllogisms and so on. There are, of course, the the simple symbolizations but there are the more complex symbolizations and inferences of symbolic language not to mention the truth-values, validity and soundness of premises, arguments and conclusions. The validity of an argument is important but the soundness is of prime importance. There are too many valid arguments which are unsound. It is worth ones while to study and become intimately acquainted with formal symbolic logic, particularly in todays world of spin and lies. If anyone is interested but not inclined to take a couple of semesters of symbolic logic at the local Uni or college then they might pick up a good introductory book on logic. I would recommend: Introductory Symbolic Logic John K. Wilson Wadsworth Publishing Company Belmont, California 1992 ISBN 0-534-16818-3 Happy Happy, Gustl Wednesday, 07 March, 2007, 10:05:44, you wrote: CM MK DuPree wrote: Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. CM SNIP. CM It's an interesting read, those comments. CM Now, here's an exercise in debate 101; CM How many of the following logical fallacies can CM you spot in the comments? CM -- CM argumentum ad logicam (argument from fallacy) CM in argument form; CM if A then B CM A is false, CM therefore B is false. CM To wit; CM P(rotagonist) I am a man. I drive a car, that means I am a man, because CM men drive cars CM A(ntagonist) My sister drives a car, and she is not a man. Therefore CM you are not a man CM CM Affirming the consequent CM If A, then B CM B CM therefore A CM (really common on right wing talk radio) CM If Alice were a real communist, Alice wouldn't own any real property CM Alice doesn't own any real property CM Therefore, Alice is a communist CM - CM Straw man CM (really really common in nearly all political debates) CM P(rotagonist) I think global warming is a 'bad-thing' CM A(ntagonist) Living in the stone age in no picnic CM The antagonist has implied that the protagonist advocates CM giving up on all technology, neatly side-stepping all CM debate about what efforts can be made to address the actual CM issue. CM --- CM argument by authority CM Bob makes statement B CM Bob is a noted authority CM Therefore statement B is true. CM (I see this all the time, everywhere, this mail list, and CM pretty much in any and all debates) CM Bob can makde statement B, and this statement may be true CM or false. This is an expressed 'factual claim'. CM However, the conclusion that statement B is true, based CM on Bob's authority, is only implied. Therefore logically, CM it doesn't stand. CM - CM And the converse, (my personal favorite, the base of our last CM long thread here on the mailing list) CM argumentum ad hominem (argument against the man) CM Christie makes statement C; CM There is something about Christie folks don't like, CM Therefore statement C is false. CM This can go on and on. CM And it feeds lots and lots of other logical fallacies. CM Dave claims that polychorinated biphenols found in our CM aquifer are bad. CM Dave is a hippy CM Hippies don't have jobs CM Therefore anyone claiming pcbs are bad is CM trying to take our jobs. CM Pretty much anything you hear from news commentators CM here in the US follows this (lack of) logic. CM --- CM Google logical fallacy sometime. CM It's fun and educational! CM ___ CM Biofuel mailing list CM Biofuel@sustainablelists.org CM http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org CM Biofuel at Journey to Forever: CM http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html CM Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): CM http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little,
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MK DuPree wrote: LOL...I think, which means, therefore, I probably am not. LOL Anyway, I wonder how you might classify my comments on the webpage to the story. Nonetheless, thanks, Chip, for the debate lesson and google search. You would love the video Thank You For Smoking. Mike DuPree Oh, I did. I saw it in the theatre, I wanted my 'ticket vote' counted :) I thought it was a brilliant screenplay. I esp liked the nice barb at the end, concerning 'image handling' and the cellphone industry. Did a bit of research, and it's all true. -disclosure- I smoke, I use a cellphone (with a wired headset, don't want that thing next my already suspect brain -- :) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By Laura McHugh Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. I'm not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fisher's weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, that's what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrence's Local Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce. I've lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great, Fisher said. I have a lot more energy than I used to. Local Burger's owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the project, which she calls Localize Me, a play on Super Size Me, a movie in which the filmmaker eats only McDonald's fast food for a month. He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just being committed to this journey, Brown said. That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a day, for an entire month. At first, Fisher worried the healthy fare would not satisfy his super-sized appetite. I thought I was going to starve to death eating little tiny portions, but I had a lot of food to eat, Fisher said. Brown taught him not to eat less, but better. I think it's time for people to be aware of what they're eating, Brown said. It doesn't have to taste bad to be healthy, and it doesn't have to be fat-free to be healthy. When Fisher went in for his final lab results Monday, his physician was surprised by the results. Not only had Fisher's weight dropped from 295 to 272 pounds, but his cholesterol level plummeted from 285 to 166. I couldn't imagine that someone could change their diet and in 30 days could drop their cholesterol that much, Dr. David Dunlap said. In addition, Fisher's blood pressure, heart rate and blood sugar levels decreased. I guess I just want people to know you can change the quality of the food you're eating, and that you can change your health dramatically in a very short amount of time, Brown said. But Fisher isn't ready to call it quits just yet. He hopes to get down to 200 pounds. Because he didn't cheat during the first 30 days, he knows he has the willpower to do it. To keep him on track, Brown offered him 50 percent off her menu prices until he reaches that goal. We've taken the first steps. I just have to keep it going, he said. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/713 - Release Date: 3/7/2007 9:24 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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SNIP. How many of the following logical fallacies can you spot in the comments? -- argumentum ad logicam (argument from fallacy) in argument form; if A then B A is false, therefore B is false. if A is false, you need to figure out why B worked in the first place. To wit; P(rotagonist) I am a man. I drive a car, that means I am a man, because men drive cars A(ntagonist) My sister drives a car, and she is not a man. Therefore you are not a man thats just silly. anybody who can reach the pedals can drive a car. maybe not effectively, but hey ;) Affirming the consequent If A, then B B therefore A (really common on right wing talk radio) If Alice were a real communist, Alice wouldn't own any real property Alice doesn't own any real property Therefore, Alice is a communist Alice just doesnt want to pay land taxes... - Straw man (really really common in nearly all political debates) P(rotagonist) I think global warming is a 'bad-thing' A(ntagonist) Living in the stone age in no picnic The antagonist has implied that the protagonist advocates giving up on all technology, neatly side-stepping all debate about what efforts can be made to address the actual issue. if we dont fix global warming, well be living in the stone age a lot farther north anyway... --- argument by authority Bob makes statement B Bob is a noted authority Therefore statement B is true. (I see this all the time, everywhere, this mail list, and pretty much in any and all debates) Bob can make statement B, and this statement may be true or false. This is an expressed 'factual claim'. However, the conclusion that statement B is true, based on Bob's authority, is only implied. Therefore logically, it doesn't stand. you dont hear me arguing. authority without proof (or the ability to find proof) is political. - And the converse, (my personal favorite, the base of our last long thread here on the mailing list) argumentum ad hominem (argument against the man) Christie makes statement C; There is something about Christie folks don't like, Therefore statement C is false. i dont like a lot of people, but if they can prove it i have no trouble at all accepting what they say. This can go on and on. And it feeds lots and lots of other logical fallacies. Dave claims that polychorinated biphenols found in our aquifer are bad. Dave is a hippy Hippies don't have jobs Therefore anyone claiming pcbs are bad is trying to take our jobs. say-wuh? Pretty much anything you hear from news commentators here in the US follows this (lack of) logic. --- Google logical fallacy sometime. It's fun and educational! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/713 - Release Date: 3/7/2007 9:24 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
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Wish that was in my town instead of McDonalds. 23 pounds in a month is amazing as well. We are obese as a nation because of the high glycemic diet we eat. Eating good food would be sane behaviour. Kirk Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By Laura McHugh Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. Im not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fishers weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, thats what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrences Local Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce. Ive lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great, Fisher said. I have a lot more energy than I used to. Local Burgers owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the project, which she calls Localize Me, a play on Super Size Me, a movie in which the filmmaker eats only McDonalds fast food for a month. He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just being committed to this journey, Brown said. That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a day, for an entire month. At first, Fisher worried the healthy fare would not satisfy his super-sized appetite. I thought I was going to starve to death eating little tiny portions, but I had a lot of food to eat, Fisher said. Brown taught him not to eat less, but better. I think its time for people to be aware of what theyre eating, Brown said. It doesnt have to taste bad to be healthy, and it doesnt have to be fat-free to be healthy. When Fisher went in for his final lab results Monday, his physician was surprised by the results. Not only had Fishers weight dropped from 295 to 272 pounds, but his cholesterol level plummeted from 285 to 166. I couldnt imagine that someone could change their diet and in 30 days could drop their cholesterol that much, Dr. David Dunlap said. In addition, Fishers blood pressure, heart rate and blood sugar levels decreased. I guess I just want people to know you can change the quality of the food youre eating, and that you can change your health dramatically in a very short amount of time, Brown said. But Fisher isnt ready to call it quits just yet. He hopes to get down to 200 pounds. Because he didnt cheat during the first 30 days, he knows he has the willpower to do it. To keep him on track, Brown offered him 50 percent off her menu prices until he reaches that goal. Weve taken the first steps. I just have to keep it going, he said. - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/713 - Release Date: 3/7/2007 9:24 AM ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined
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eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me What do you feel is bizarre and wonder if there is a point, Jason? Mike - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By Laura McHugh Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. I'm not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fisher's weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, that's what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrence's Local Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce. I've lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great, Fisher said. I have a lot more energy than I used to. Local Burger's owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the project, which she calls Localize Me, a play on Super Size Me, a movie in which the filmmaker eats only McDonald's fast food for a month. He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just being committed to this journey, Brown said. That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a day, for an entire month. At first, Fisher worried the healthy fare would not satisfy his super-sized appetite. I thought I was going to starve to death eating little tiny portions, but I had a lot of food to eat, Fisher said. Brown taught him not to eat less, but better. I think it's time for people to be aware of what they're eating, Brown said. It doesn't have to taste bad to be healthy, and it doesn't have to be fat-free to be healthy. When Fisher went in for his final lab results Monday, his physician was surprised by the results. Not only had Fisher's weight dropped from 295 to 272 pounds, but his cholesterol level plummeted from 285 to 166. I couldn't imagine that someone could change their diet and in 30 days could drop their cholesterol that much, Dr. David Dunlap said. In addition, Fisher's blood pressure, heart rate and blood sugar levels decreased. I guess I just want people to know you can change the quality of the food you're eating, and that you can change your health dramatically in a very short amount of time, Brown said. But Fisher isn't ready to call it quits just yet. He hopes to get down to 200 pounds. Because he didn't cheat during the first 30 days, he knows he has the willpower to do it. To keep him on track, Brown offered him 50 percent off her menu prices until he reaches that goal. We've taken the first steps. I just have to keep it going, he said. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me
Hi Kirk...no doubt about it our food supply, ie our bodies, are under intense attack through various means as Keith and others here continually post stories as to how. Maybe it's time for a Local Burger in your town. Not necessarily suggesting you personally do this, but maybe you know folks who have the wherewithall to do so. These types of establishments not only fulfill a growing need, but can also serve as focal points for further educating the public as to the onslaught of Big Agra, Big Pharma, etc, and the need to buy local and elect officials who will promote the means to put the skids to the advances of Big. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me Wish that was in my town instead of McDonalds. 23 pounds in a month is amazing as well. We are obese as a nation because of the high glycemic diet we eat. Eating good food would be sane behaviour. Kirk Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By Laura McHugh Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. I'm not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fisher's weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, that's what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrence's Local Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce. I've lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great, Fisher said. I have a lot more energy than I used to. Local Burger's owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the project, which she calls Localize Me, a play on Super Size Me, a movie in which the filmmaker eats only McDonald's fast food for a month. He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just being committed to this journey, Brown said. That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a day, for an entire month. At first, Fisher worried the healthy fare would not satisfy his super-sized appetite. I thought I was going to starve to death eating little tiny portions, but I had a lot of food to eat, Fisher said. Brown taught him not to eat less, but better. I think it's time for people to be aware of what they're eating, Brown said. It doesn't have to taste bad to be healthy, and it doesn't have to be fat-free to be healthy. When Fisher went in for his final lab results Monday, his physician was surprised by the results. Not only had Fisher's weight dropped from 295 to 272 pounds, but his cholesterol level plummeted from 285 to 166. I couldn't imagine that someone could change their diet and in 30 days could drop their cholesterol that much, Dr. David Dunlap said. In addition, Fisher's blood pressure, heart rate and blood sugar levels decreased. I guess I just want people to know you can change the quality of the food you're eating, and that you can change your health dramatically in a very short amount of time, Brown said. But Fisher isn't ready to call it quits just yet. He hopes to get down to 200 pounds. Because he didn't cheat during the first 30 days, he knows he has the willpower to do it. To keep him on track, Brown offered him 50 percent off her menu prices until he reaches that goal. We've taken the first steps. I just have to keep it going, he said. -- ___ Biofuel mailing
Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me
What do you feel is bizarre and wonder if there is a point, Jason? Mike - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By Laura McHugh Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. I'm not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fisher's weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, that's what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrence's Local Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce. I've lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great, Fisher said. I have a lot more energy than I used to. Local Burger's owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the project, which she calls Localize Me, a play on Super Size Me, a movie in which the filmmaker eats only McDonald's fast food for a month. He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just being committed to this journey, Brown said. That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a day, for an entire month. At first, Fisher worried the healthy fare would not satisfy his super-sized appetite. I thought I was going to starve to death eating little tiny portions, but I had a lot of food to eat, Fisher said. Brown taught him not to eat less, but better. I think it's time for people to be aware of what they're eating, Brown said. It doesn't have to taste bad to be healthy, and it doesn't have to be fat-free to be healthy. When Fisher went in for his final lab results Monday, his physician was surprised by the results. Not only had Fisher's weight dropped from 295 to 272 pounds, but his cholesterol level plummeted from 285 to 166. I couldn't imagine that someone could change their diet and in 30 days could drop their cholesterol that much, Dr. David Dunlap said. In addition, Fisher's blood pressure, heart rate and blood sugar levels decreased. I guess I just want people to know you can change the quality of the food you're eating, and that you can change your health dramatically in a very short amount of time, Brown said. But Fisher isn't ready to call it quits just yet. He hopes to get down to 200 pounds. Because he didn't cheat during the first 30 days, he knows he has the willpower to do it. To keep him on track, Brown offered him 50 percent off her menu prices until he reaches that goal. We've taken the first steps. I just have to keep it going, he said. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/711 - Release Date: 3/5/2007 9:41 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.431 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/713 - Release Date: 3/7/2007 9:24 AM
Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me
Thanks for the response, Jason. Agreed. Obviously, however, Local Burger makes its' point of selling health consciousness (in more ways than just personal with food but also socially by supporting local economics) when some guy does eat there for all his meals and loses weight and becomes healthier overall, unlike doing same at McDonald's. For sure, eating locally grown, properly cared for meat and organic produce at home is ideal. But when you don't want to, it's great to have a Local Burger as a choice instead of McDonald's. The message a place like this sends to the community is also helpful in the fight against Big Agra, Big Pharma, etc. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me What do you feel is bizarre and wonder if there is a point, Jason? Mike - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By Laura McHugh Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. I'm not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fisher's weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, that's what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrence's Local Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce. I've lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great, Fisher said. I have a lot more energy than I used to. Local Burger's owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the project, which she calls Localize Me, a play on Super Size Me, a movie in which the filmmaker eats only McDonald's fast food for a month. He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just being committed to this journey, Brown said. That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a day, for an entire month. At first, Fisher worried the healthy fare would not satisfy his super-sized appetite. I thought I was going to starve to death eating little tiny portions, but I had a lot of food to eat, Fisher said. Brown taught him not to eat less, but better. I think it's time for people to be aware of what they're eating, Brown said. It doesn't have to taste bad to be healthy, and it doesn't have to be fat-free to be healthy. When Fisher went in for his final lab results Monday, his physician was surprised by the results. Not only had Fisher's weight dropped from 295 to 272 pounds, but his cholesterol level plummeted from 285 to 166. I couldn't imagine that someone could change their diet and in 30 days could drop their cholesterol that much, Dr
Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me
If one chooses not to keep appliances for cooking or storing food, eating out all the time could make sense. If one lives alone, or the schedule means they are seldom at home for meals, this could even make financial sense. No refrigerator, no freezer, no stove, no energy bill associated with those activities, no grocery bill, no worries about food spoiling. No need for a kitchen, saves living space. Just skipping the trips for groceries appeals to me, not to mention cooking for others with dynamic schedules. Actually, most dormitories I have experienced are based on this premise (no kitchen, all meals taken at food service locations of some kind). May apply to other situations as well. Just my 2 cents. Darryl Jason Katie wrote: eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. - Original Message - *From:* MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:02 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me What do you feel is bizarre and wonder if there is a point, Jason? Mike - Original Message - *From:* Jason Katie mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - *From:* MK DuPree mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By * Laura McHugh * http://www2.ljworld.com/staff/laura_mchugh/ Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. “I’m not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day,” says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fisher’s weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, that’s what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrence’s Local Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce. “I’ve lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great,” Fisher said. “I have a lot more energy than I used to.” Local Burger’s owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the project, which she calls “Localize Me,” a play on “Super Size Me,” a movie in which the filmmaker eats only McDonald’s fast food for a month. “He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just being committed to this journey,” Brown said. That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a day, for an entire month. At first, Fisher worried the healthy fare would not satisfy his super-sized
Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me
If you could rely on food services making healthy choices that would be great. But all the corporations I know buy the cheapest crap oils and use them till they are oxidised to the point of rancid. Shelf life and cost. Salad oils will be canola usually and instead of lard hydrogenated vegetable oil. We know trans fats are a problem but that news has yet to be operated on by corporations. Our local hospital hired a nutritionist with a brain and the cafeteria now has organic and omega3 etc. Amazing. The only public eatery I know of though - the rest use crisco. Kirk Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one chooses not to keep appliances for cooking or storing food, eating out all the time could make sense. If one lives alone, or the schedule means they are seldom at home for meals, this could even make financial sense. No refrigerator, no freezer, no stove, no energy bill associated with those activities, no grocery bill, no worries about food spoiling. No need for a kitchen, saves living space. Just skipping the trips for groceries appeals to me, not to mention cooking for others with dynamic schedules. Actually, most dormitories I have experienced are based on this premise (no kitchen, all meals taken at food service locations of some kind). May apply to other situations as well. Just my 2 cents. Darryl Jason Katie wrote: eating at a restaurant three times a day doesnt really make sense to me. seems that the benefits of localized food would be somewhat diminished when it is produced in large amounts like that, because even with the best quality stock, they are still on a time budget, and would have to at least skim corners, if not cut them entirely. i think good food is best prepared in the home, or at least in a place where there isnt such a rush to finish cooking. i dont mean what they are reporting is bad, just a little off kilter. - Original Message - *From:* MK DuPree *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:02 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me What do you feel is bizarre and wonder if there is a point, Jason? Mike - Original Message - *From:* Jason Katie *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:03 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Localize Me a little bizarre, but there IS a point- i guess... - Original Message - *From:* MK DuPree *To:* biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:12 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Localize Me Have you heard of the documentary Super Size Me? This guy eats nothing but McDonald's for a month. About dies. Here's a story from our local newspaper about a local restaurant that specializes in local buffalo and elk burgers and other local, organically grown produce doing a Localize Me promotion. I've plugged the List in my comments to this story, and I'm embarrassed, but not surprised, by many of the comments to this story. What can you expect from a town wherein resides an institution of higher learning, ie university. Mike DuPree http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/mar/06/freshfood_dieter_eats_his_way_health/?city_local Fresh-food dieter eats his way to health By * Laura McHugh * Tuesday, March 6, 2007 Daniel Fisher enjoys one of his favorite Local Burger dishes. Im not really a salad guy, but I love that salad. I could eat it every day, says the former fast-food diner. For 30 days, Fisher gave up fast food and ate only at Local Burger, 714 Vt. Mary Dooley, nurse at First Med, 2323 Ridge Court, gives Daniel Fisher some good news Monday. In addition to his blood pressure decreasing, Fishers weight and cholesterol levels have also dropped significantly. Thirty days of fresh food can do a body good. At least, thats what worked for 29-year-old Daniel Fisher. On Jan. 25, the self-proclaimed fast-food junkie quit his habit, replacing chain restaurants with Lawrences Local Burger. The downtown restaurant specializes in locally grown, organic meats and produce. Ive lost 23 or 24 pounds, and I can feel it. I feel great, Fisher said. I have a lot more energy than I used to. Local Burgers owner, Hilary Brown, recruited Fisher for the project, which she calls Localize Me, a play on Super Size Me, a movie in which the filmmaker eats only McDonalds fast food for a month. He was wonderful about sticking to the program and just being committed to this journey, Brown said. That journey was to eat only Local Burger, three meals a day, for an entire month. At first, Fisher worried the healthy fare would not satisfy his super-sized appetite. I thought I was going to starve to death eating little tiny portions, but I had a lot of food to eat, Fisher said. Brown taught him not to eat less, but better. I think its time for people to be aware of what theyre eating, Brown said. It doesnt have
