Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
Hello Mike Hi Keith...1) Why're you so doubtful about it? Because of how the NewsMax poll is being conducted. And because I am profoundly aware of the propaganda machine, having been a victim of it in 1988 when I ran for State Senator. There is nobody in the US who is not a victim of the propaganda machine. Not so sure about the world, I think there still might be a few, but that's presuming they survive global warming. Am I blaming you for that too? :-) I don't think global warming would be in the same hapless situation it is now but for the billions and billions of tons of excess carbon poured into the atmosphere in the last 14 years under cover of the US and US-led propaganda effort that spiked the binding agreement on climate change that was to be the centre-piece at the Rio Earth Summit of 1992, and ever since. It comes from the same folks as the nuke Iran spin is coming from, mostly, along with a few other people these days in the freak show Washington calls foreign policy. Not that there's any case for interfering with it at all, let alone nuking it, but I don't think Iran would be the same place today either but for more of the same. Such as the CIA regime-change operation in 1953 that replaced the democratically elected Mossadeq government with the Shah, if you want to talk about democracies and totalitarian dictatorships. http://snipurl.com/qacg biofuel - Search results for 'Mossadeq' No need to go on is there. As far as the other polls to which you refer are concerned, thank you for pointing these out. 2) These beliefs are closely correlated with intentions to vote for Bush. So what's new? The Bush vote is not representative of the majority of ordinary American citizens. Maybe someone would like to discover how many Americans are eligible to vote, how many have actually registered, and how many vote of those that are registered. Not very impressive. But for good reason, as one friend of mine says, I don't want to encourage them. See also: http://www.ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htmhttp://www.ideamouth.co m/voterfraud.htm. Our electoral college screws up things even more. Maybe someone would like to enlighten us on why this exists. Of the percentage of registered voters who did vote in the last two presidential elections, roughly half of the registered voters voted for Bush and the other half voted for either Gore or Kerry. Of course, as pointed out in the torture threads, it really doesn't matter who gets elected, it's all still the business class. Nonetheless, the Bush vote is not representative of the majority of ordinary American citizens. We've been through all this lots of times before. 3) The Newsmax poll and what it says and who's spinning it if anyone is irrelevant. The fact is that the US and Israel are creeping up on nuking Iran, and dragging public opinion along behind, as usual. Check it out for yourself. I won't argue with you about the intentions of the propaganda machine, but I will take issue with you about the NewsMax poll or any publicly disseminated poll being irrelevant. I will also question what public we might be talking about, especially concerning the NewsMax poll. 4) NewsMax.com Not to be trusted, but in this case it's irrelevant. Tear your eyes away from what's disturbing you about NewsMax, and do some work on the Internet, and in the Biofuel list archives, on the mounting US fear and loathing campaign against Iran. I have. Again, thank you. But again, the NewsMax.com poll is not irrelevant. It is highly relevant in how it distorts majority opinion in this country. Not particularly, it's not clear that the poll distorts it, and if it does it's just an example, same as all the others. NewsMax is not always distorted. I've hardly checked incoming news for days, but if I had I'd have spent time on Iran and the US, but I wouldn't have checked NewsMax. There'll be another poll soon by someone else and then we can see if they connect. Okay, as well as worry NewsMax, why not go back one step in the rising tide of acquiescence to the previous polls. Investigate them too, check out the news sources at the time and who was saying what, check it all at Sourcewatch or FAIR. Check the list archives resources on spinmeisters of various ilk and where they're coming from and where the deep pockets are, see if you can draw some lines. Or compare it all with a previous such case, correlations will make it easier. Hold it over a timeline of the disinfo about the Iraq invasion and occupation and see where they register. Then see how the revelations of the war-pimping over Iraq and the mounting outrage over it run right into a rising tide of precisely the same kind of gullibility over Iran, among many of the very same people. To change the subject, though not really, have you read Stauber and Rampton's work? How come your reply doesn't even mention the word Iran in your haste to
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
Hi Keith...1) "Why're you so doubtful about it?"Because of howthe NewsMax"poll" is being conducted. And because I am profoundly aware of the propaganda machine, having been a victim of it in 1988 when I ran for State Senator. As far as the other polls to which you refer are concerned, thank you for pointing these out. 2) "These beliefs are closely correlated with intentions to vote for Bush.So what's new?"The Bush vote is not representative of the majority of "ordinary" American citizens. Maybe someone would like to discover how many Americans are eligible to vote, how many have actually registered, and how many vote of those that are registered.Not very impressive. But for good reason, as one friend of mine says, "I don't want to encourage them." See also:http://www.ideamouth.com/voterfraud.htm. Our electoral college screws up things even more.Maybe someone would like to enlighten us on why this exists. Of the percentage of registered voters who did vote in the last two presidential elections, roughly half of the registered voters voted for Bush and the other half voted for either Gore or Kerry.Of course, as pointed out in the "torture" threads, it really doesn't matter who gets elected, it's all still the "business class." Nonetheless, the Bush vote is not representative of the majority of "ordinary" American citizens. 3) The Newsmax poll and what it says and who's spinning it if anyone isirrelevant. The fact is that the US and Israel are creeping up onnuking Iran, and dragging public opinion along behind, as usual.Check it out for yourself. I won't argue with you about the intentions of the propaganda machine, but I will take issue with you about the NewsMax "poll" or any publicly disseminated poll being irrelevant.I will alsoquestionwhat "public" we might be talking about, especially concerning the NewsMax "poll." 4) NewsMax.comNot to be trusted, but in this case it's irrelevant. Tear your eyesaway from what's disturbing you about NewsMax, and do some work onthe Internet, and in the Biofuel list archives, on the mounting US fear and loathing campaign against Iran. I have. Again, thank you. But again, the NewsMax.com "poll" is not irrelevant. It is highly relevant in how it distortsmajority opinion in this country.How come your reply doesn't even mention the word "Iran" in yourhaste to defend... to defend what, exactly? I'm defending the majority of "ordinary" American citizens, right or wrong. More importantly, I'mdefending our innate ability to think critically about everything we read...to ask who, what, when, where, why, and how something is written and published. It doesn't matter whether we're talking about Iran or any other subject. 5) We've just dealt with this, in the torture thread. Please go and readit. You are complicit. What are you doing about it? You're obliged tobe aware of what your government does abroad with your tax money, andif you do nothing to counter it you are complicit. What other peopleor other governments do is beside the point. The only exception is ifyou live under a totalitarian dictatorship, then you're not complicitbecause you're just a helpless slave. What can I do about it, Keith? What can I do about it, List? What can anyone who wants to change it do about it? Vote? Been there, done that...doesn't work. More suggestions, please. Write letters to "representatives?" Been there, done that...doesn't work. The majorityof "representatives" represent the business class. Pour gas all over myself, light a match, and burnup myself in front of a few gawking bystanders and possibly a"news" media who would never report my reasons for doing so? Aint gonna happen.Must be a totalitarian dictatorship in which I live. So now what do I do? 6) Sorry, you'll have to respond, those are the rules here.Why be sorry? Thank you for the questions and directions. I better understandhow slippery is my place on the planet. So I'll ask again, now what do I do? Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Monday, May 08, 2006 4:20 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran Hello Mike Why're you so doubtful about it? Sure, it's always good to check, but it's well in line with what usually happens, as people are saying. For instance (from the list archives): http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/20263 War on Iraq: The World According to a Bush Voter October 21, 2004 "A new survey reveals that Bush supporters choose to keep faith in their leader rather than face reality... "But here is the truly astonishing part: as many or more Bush supporters hold those beliefs today than they did several months ago. In other words, more people believe the claims today -- after the publication of a series of well-publicized official government reports that debunked both notions." That poll was conducted by University of Maryland's Program on
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
Mike...please see my post, "NewsMax 'Poll' and The Propaganda Machine. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Michael Redler To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran "...they site a poll WITH HEADLINES that says Fox is the most trusted news source in the U.S.,..."Nice catch Mike. Despite NewsMax catering to right wing interests, I think that the polls are believable, especiallyconsidering the astounding progress made by the current regime through channels like Fox.Parts of the news media have been in colusion with the government for a very long time and the tactics used to influence the masses was openly acknowledged back in the Wilson adminisration. Hakan's observations are also an indication of that same colusion.So, in my opinion, the question becomes; Is NewsMax manufacturing consent or just reporting back on the progress they've already made? Mike MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Fritz and everyone...polls...hmmm...can anyone tell me more about "NewsMax"? Who owns and controls this website? Fritz, have you asked anyone at NewsMax how this poll was conducted?What are the demographics of this poll?I see on their homepage as of today, Sunday, May 7, just after 7pm Central (USA), where they site a poll WITH HEADLINES that says Fox is the most trusted news source in the U.S., but the story says we're talking about 11% of the public making it this "popular." Hey, if only roughly One in Ten Americans are fatheads, we're not doin' too bad. I wouldn't be surprised if a large percentage of these 11% make up the largest percentage of the "voters" who answered the NewsMaxpoll, which would make that "77%" actually an incredibly small percentage of the U.S. population. Sorry you blame the "ordinary" U.S. citizen for however our government acts. What's the deal in your country? Is your government walking in lockstep with the will of the overwhelming majority of the "ordinary" citizens? Whatis "ordinary" anyway I'll leave it at that for now. Mike - Original Message - From: Fritz Friesinger To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran Hakan, indeed dejea vu, once the propagandamachine works as fine as it does in the US,all out war is'nt far away! The whole polemic about the communist threat BS, it was and is always the migthy US who uses Nukes to intimidate the rest of the world! I dispise them for it and can not help to blame the ordinary US Citicen.As a German i felt long time the blame for the wrong doeings of the Nazis even i was born in 48! eh bien and so on... Get better Hakan,there is no time to loose Fritz - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran Fritz,Have a strong feeling of dejavu and this time I will save the info in a special place. Pre Iraq, I saw similar figures and also some support on this list. Today it is overwhelming negative numbers in support for the Iraq war and approval ratings for the president. Maybe I should frame this, for future use.Talk about a violent population, 77% in support of military action and killing Iranians. In two years we will have 65% in denial and against the US engagement in Iran. It will be an even bigger mess than Iraq, with attacks all over the world.Hakan[snip] ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
Amen, Geoff! Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Geo Mantic To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran RGH! Media Conglomerates make me sick sometimes...(gulp)...think i'll go make a batch of fuelGeoff ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
Hello Mike Why're you so doubtful about it? Sure, it's always good to check, but it's well in line with what usually happens, as people are saying. For instance (from the list archives): http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/20263 War on Iraq: The World According to a Bush Voter October 21, 2004 A new survey reveals that Bush supporters choose to keep faith in their leader rather than face reality... But here is the truly astonishing part: as many or more Bush supporters hold those beliefs today than they did several months ago. In other words, more people believe the claims today -- after the publication of a series of well-publicized official government reports that debunked both notions. That poll was conducted by University of Maryland's Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) and Knowledge Networks. Here's the poll report itself: http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/IraqRealities_Oct04/IraqRealiti es%20Oct04%20rpt.pdf Then there's this: Results of previous PIPA/Knowledge Networks poll [May 04]: - A 57% majority believed Iraq was either directly involved in carrying out the 9/11 attacks or had provided substantial support to al-Qaeda - 82% either said that experts mostly agree Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda or experts are evenly divided on the question - 45% believe that evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda has been found - 60% believe that just before the war Iraq either had weapons of mass destruction or a major program for developing them - 65% said most experts say Iraq did have them or that experts are divided on the question - estimates of the number of US troop fatalities in Iraq varied widely - 59% were unaware that the majority of world public opinion is opposed to the US war with Iraq - asked how many nuclear weapons the U.S. has, the median estimate was 200 (the actual number is 6,000) These beliefs are closely correlated with intentions to vote for Bush. So what's new? Look at the escalation in the Iran case: Iran has not violated the NPT (Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty), does not have a nuclear weapons program, and poses no threat to its neighbors or the United States. Never the less, the spurious accusations in the media have precipitated a dramatic shift in public opinion. For more than a decade only 6% of the American people considered Iran the greatest danger to the United States. Now (according to a recent Pew Poll) that number has jumped to 27%. Also, the survey showed that nearly half (47%) said they favored military action, preferably along with European allies, to halt Iran's nuclear program. -- Jim Lobe, Polls: anti-Iran Propaganda Working, February 10, 2006 http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?articleid=8526 Compare with the current Newsmax poll, it makes a curve. Worse than that, Lobe's piece three months ago said the polls do not show eagerness to take military action now or unilaterally. The public appears to prefer an effort to settle the crisis diplomatically, preferably through the United Nations. Now they do, and sod the UN. The Newsmax poll and what it says and who's spinning it if anyone is irrelevant. The fact is that the US and Israel are creeping up on nuking Iran, and dragging public opinion along behind, as usual. Check it out for yourself. People are commenting on short term memory loss. It's not short term memory loss, it's manufactured memory loss. Robert said I think this illustrates how effective the propaganda machine in the US has become. Absolutely. The United States is not only number one in military power but also in the effectiveness of its propaganda system. -- Edward S. Herman I just said in another message: You have to stop the spin. The trouble is it works so well most people aren't even aware of it, and if they are they think they're immune. Hi Fritz and everyone...polls...hmmm...can anyone tell me more about NewsMax? http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?search=NewsMaxfulltext=Search Search results - SourceWatch NewsMax.com Not to be trusted, but in this case it's irrelevant. Tear your eyes away from what's disturbing you about NewsMax, and do some work on the Internet, and in the Biofuel list archives, on the mounting US fear and loathing campaign against Iran. How come your reply doesn't even mention the word Iran in your haste to defend... to defend what, exactly? Who owns and controls this website? Fritz, have you asked anyone at NewsMax how this poll was conducted? What are the demographics of this poll? I see on their homepage as of today, Sunday, May 7, just after 7pm Central (USA), where they site a poll WITH HEADLINES that says Fox is the most trusted news source in the U.S., but the story says we're talking about 11% of the public making it this popular. Hey, if only roughly One in Ten Americans are fatheads, we're not doin' too bad. I wouldn't be surprised if a large percentage of these 11% make up the largest percentage of the
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
"...they site a poll WITH HEADLINES that says Fox is the most trusted news source in the U.S.,..."Nice catch Mike. Despite NewsMax catering to right wing interests, I think that the polls are believable, especiallyconsidering the astounding progress made by the current regime through channels like Fox.Parts of the news media have been in colusion with the government for a very long time and the tactics used to influence the masses was openly acknowledged back in the Wilson adminisration. Hakan's observations are also an indication of that same colusion.So, in my opinion, the question becomes; Is NewsMax manufacturing consent or just reporting back on the progress they've already made?MikeMK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Fritz and everyone...polls...hmmm...can anyone tell me more about "NewsMax"? Who owns and controls this website? Fritz, have you asked anyone at NewsMax how this poll was conducted?What are the demographics of this poll?I see on their homepage as of today, Sunday, May 7, just after 7pm Central (USA), where they site a poll WITH HEADLINES that says Fox is the most trusted news source in the U.S., but the story says we're talking about 11% of the public making it this "popular." Hey, if only roughly One in Ten Americans are fatheads, we're not doin' too bad. I wouldn't be surprised if a large percentage of these 11% make up the largest percentage of the "voters" who answered the NewsMaxpoll, which would make that "77%" actually an incredibly small percentage of the U.S. population. Sorry you blame the "ordinary" U.S. citizen for however our government acts. What's the deal in your country? Is your government walking in lockstep with the will of the overwhelming majority of the "ordinary" citizens? Whatis "ordinary" anyway I'll leave it at that for now. Mike- Original Message - From: Fritz Friesinger To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on IranHakan, indeed dejea vu, once the propagandamachine works as fine as it does in the US,all out war is'nt far away! The whole polemic about the communist threat BS, it was and is always the migthy US who uses Nukes to intimidate the rest of the world! I dispise them for it and can not help to blame the ordinary US Citicen.As a German i felt long time the blame for the wrong doeings of the Nazis even i was born in 48! eh bien and so on... Get better Hakan,there is no time to loose Fritz- Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran Fritz,Have a strong feeling of dejavu and this time I will save the info in a special place. Pre Iraq, I saw similar figures and also some support on this list. Today it is overwhelming negative numbers in support for the Iraq war and approval ratings for the president. Maybe I should frame this, for future use.Talk about a violent population, 77% in support of military action and killing Iranians. In two years we will have 65% in denial and against the US engagement in Iran. It will be an even bigger mess than Iraq, with attacks all over the world.Hakan[snip]___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
RGH! Media Conglomerates make me sick sometimes...(gulp) ...think i'll go make a batch of fuel Geoff ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
Geoff Nice one !!! One day I will be doing the same!!! Yipe Mark From: Geo Mantic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:58:43 -0600 RGH! Media Conglomerates make me sick sometimes...(gulp) ...think i'll go make a batch of fuel Geoff ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
I just filled up - a good feeling indeed! Mark` Cookson wrote: Geoff Nice one !!! One day I will be doing the same!!! Yipe Mark From: Geo Mantic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 09:58:43 -0600 RGH! Media Conglomerates make me sick sometimes...(gulp) ...think i'll go make a batch of fuel Geoff ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
Fritz, Have a strong feeling of dejavu and this time I will save the info in a special place. Pre Iraq, I saw similar figures and also some support on this list. Today it is overwhelming negative numbers in support for the Iraq war and approval ratings for the president. Maybe I should frame this, for future use. Talk about a violent population, 77% in support of military action and killing Iranians. In two years we will have 65% in denial and against the US engagement in Iran. It will be an even bigger mess than Iraq, with attacks all over the world. Hakan At 20:07 07/05/2006, you wrote: just received Fritz Poll: Strong U.S. Support for Bombing Iran An Internet poll sponsored by NewsMax.com reveals that Americans are overwhelmingly in favor of the United States undertaking military action to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program. Nearly 60,000 people have taken part in the poll so far, and more than nine out of 10 say U.S. efforts to contain Iran's weapons program are not working. A large majority of respondents also believe that Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War. NewsMax will provide the results of this poll to major media and share them with radio talk-show hosts across the country. Here are the poll questions and results: 1) Do you believe U.S. efforts to contain Iran's nuclear weapons program are working? Working: 7 percent Not Working: 93 percent 2) Should the United States rely solely on the U.N. to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program? Yes: 11 percent No: 89 percent 3) Do you believe Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War? Yes: 88 percent No: 12 percent 4) Should the U.S. undertake military action against Iran to stop their program? Yes: 77 percent No: 23 percent 5) Who should undertake military action against Iran first? U.S.: 45 percent Israel: 35 percent Neither: 20 percent ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
Maybe the high fructose corn syrup and beef lobby subsidies that makes us the fattest country in the world, also contributes to short term memory loss,an even bigger killer in the US.(BTW) Do you think Steven Colbert stays awake at night, worried that he'll run out of material - even if he doesn't have a repeat customer at the White House?MikeHakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fritz,Have a strong feeling of dejavu and this time I will save the info in a special place. Pre Iraq, I saw similar figures and also some support on this list. Today it is overwhelming negative numbers in support for the Iraq war and approval ratings for the president. Maybe I should frame this, for future use.Talk about a violent population, 77% in support of military action and killing Iranians. In two years we will have 65% in denial and against the US engagement in Iran. It will be an even bigger mess than Iraq, with attacks all over the world.HakanAt 20:07 07/05/2006, you wrote:just receivedFritzPoll: Strong U.S. Support for Bombing IranAn Internet poll sponsored by NewsMax.com reveals that Americans are overwhelmingly in favor of the United States undertaking military action to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program.Nearly 60,000 people have taken part in the poll so far, and more than nine out of 10 say U.S. efforts to contain Iran's weapons program are not working.A large majority of respondents also believe that Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War.NewsMax will provide the results of this poll to major media and share them with radio talk-show hosts across the country.Here are the poll questions and results:1) Do you believe U.S. efforts to contain Iran's nuclear weapons program are working?Working: 7 percentNot Working: 93 percent2) Should the United States rely solely on the U.N. to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program?Yes: 11 percentNo: 89 percent3) Do you believe Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War?Yes: 88 percentNo: 12 percent4) Should the U.S. undertake military action against Iran to stop their program?Yes: 77 percentNo: 23 percent5) Who should undertake military action against Iran first?U.S.: 45 percentIsrael: 35 percentNeither: 20 percent___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
Hakan, indeed dejea vu, once the propagandamachine works as fine as it does in the US,all out war is'nt far away! The whole polemic about the communist threat BS, it was and is always the migthy US who uses Nukes to intimidate the rest of the world! I dispise them for it and can not help to blame the ordinary US Citicen.As a German i felt long time the blame for the wrong doeings of the Nazis even i was born in 48! eh bien and so on... Get better Hakan,there is no time to loose Fritz - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran Fritz,Have a strong feeling of dejavu and this time I will save the info in a special place. Pre Iraq, I saw similar figures and also some support on this list. Today it is overwhelming negative numbers in support for the Iraq war and approval ratings for the president. Maybe I should frame this, for future use.Talk about a violent population, 77% in support of military action and killing Iranians. In two years we will have 65% in denial and against the US engagement in Iran. It will be an even bigger mess than Iraq, with attacks all over the world.HakanAt 20:07 07/05/2006, you wrote:just receivedFritzPoll: Strong U.S. Support for Bombing IranAn Internet poll sponsored by NewsMax.com reveals that Americans are overwhelmingly in favor of the United States undertaking military action to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program.Nearly 60,000 people have taken part in the poll so far, and more than nine out of 10 say U.S. efforts to contain Iran's weapons program are not working.A large majority of respondents also believe that Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War.NewsMax will provide the results of this poll to major media and share them with radio talk-show hosts across the country.Here are the poll questions and results:1) Do you believe U.S. efforts to contain Iran's nuclear weapons program are working?Working: 7 percentNot Working: 93 percent2) Should the United States rely solely on the U.N. to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program?Yes: 11 percentNo: 89 percent3) Do you believe Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War?Yes: 88 percentNo: 12 percent4) Should the U.S. undertake military action against Iran to stop their program?Yes: 77 percentNo: 23 percent5) Who should undertake military action against Iran first?U.S.: 45 percentIsrael: 35 percentNeither: 20 percent___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
Fritz Friesinger wrote: Poll: Strong U.S. Support for Bombing Iran I think this illustrates how effective the propaganda machine in the US has become. To a certain extent, insulation from the consequences of our bellicose attitude contributes to the problem. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran
Hi Fritz and everyone...polls...hmmm...can anyone tell me more about "NewsMax"? Who owns and controls this website? Fritz, have you asked anyone at NewsMax how this poll was conducted?What are the demographics of this poll?I see on their homepage as of today, Sunday, May 7, just after 7pm Central (USA), where they site a poll WITH HEADLINES that says Fox is the most trusted news source in the U.S., but the story says we're talking about 11% of the public making it this "popular." Hey, if only roughly One in Ten Americans are fatheads, we're not doin' too bad. I wouldn't be surprised if a large percentage of these 11% make up the largest percentage of the "voters" who answered the NewsMaxpoll, which would make that "77%" actually an incredibly small percentage of the U.S. population. Sorry you blame the "ordinary" U.S. citizen for however our government acts. What's the deal in your country? Is your government walking in lockstep with the will of the overwhelming majority of the "ordinary" citizens? Whatis "ordinary" anyway I'll leave it at that for now. Mike - Original Message - From: Fritz Friesinger To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran Hakan, indeed dejea vu, once the propagandamachine works as fine as it does in the US,all out war is'nt far away! The whole polemic about the communist threat BS, it was and is always the migthy US who uses Nukes to intimidate the rest of the world! I dispise them for it and can not help to blame the ordinary US Citicen.As a German i felt long time the blame for the wrong doeings of the Nazis even i was born in 48! eh bien and so on... Get better Hakan,there is no time to loose Fritz - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Poll in favor of Nukes on Iran Fritz,Have a strong feeling of dejavu and this time I will save the info in a special place. Pre Iraq, I saw similar figures and also some support on this list. Today it is overwhelming negative numbers in support for the Iraq war and approval ratings for the president. Maybe I should frame this, for future use.Talk about a violent population, 77% in support of military action and killing Iranians. In two years we will have 65% in denial and against the US engagement in Iran. It will be an even bigger mess than Iraq, with attacks all over the world.HakanAt 20:07 07/05/2006, you wrote:just receivedFritzPoll: Strong U.S. Support for Bombing IranAn Internet poll sponsored by NewsMax.com reveals that Americans are overwhelmingly in favor of the United States undertaking military action to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program.Nearly 60,000 people have taken part in the poll so far, and more than nine out of 10 say U.S. efforts to contain Iran's weapons program are not working.A large majority of respondents also believe that Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War.NewsMax will provide the results of this poll to major media and share them with radio talk-show hosts across the country.Here are the poll questions and results:1) Do you believe U.S. efforts to contain Iran's nuclear weapons program are working?Working: 7 percentNot Working: 93 percent2) Should the United States rely solely on the U.N. to stop Iran's nuclear weapons program?Yes: 11 percentNo: 89 percent3) Do you believe Iran poses a greater threat than Saddam Hussein did before the Iraq War?Yes: 88 percentNo: 12 percent4) Should the U.S. undertake military action against Iran to stop their program?Yes: 77 percentNo: 23 percent5) Who should undertake military action against Iran first?U.S.: 45 percentIsrael: 35 percentNeither: 20 percent___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
