Re: [Biofuel] This is not a joke.
Keith, This is the first time I've heard of a Daniel Pipes connection. It's certainly not difficult to believe. There is definitely an agenda at work, especially having heard of it being reprinted in other European publications. Please share what you know about Mr. Pipes. Here is a excerpt from an article in the Socialist Worker called "Modern-day witch-hunt,The voices they want to silence" about M. Shahid Alam: http://www.socialistworker.org/2005-1/532/532_06_WitchHunt "Pipes declared that Alam 'is a combination of a Marxist and a radical Muslim, someone who sees the Western colonial enterprise as the source of all the problems of the non-Western world. He sees it being the problem in the 18th century, he sees it as the problem today. Whatever goes wrong with the world is our fault...He has great antagonism toward this country, though I might add, hes an immigrant to this country.'" As you listen to him apologetically explain his justification for hating Muslim activists, do you think Pipes was late for that class on Marxism and Muslim Fanaticism? So, let me see. He must be saying... To each Jihad according to it's needs, from each Jihad according to it's abilities? What a ridiculous bucket of swill! MikeDisclaimer to victims of the McCarthy legacy: You don't have to be a socialist to appreciate good journalism from a socialist source. Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello MikeGood on you!>Absolutely!>>I was at a meeting on Wednesday to organize against global racism >(Re: Danish cartoon/"Can't they take a joke", ethnic slums in >France, etc.).I've been wanting to post something about the cartoons. Is the role of Daniel Pipes in all this being acknowledged? The whole thing was a set-up.BestKeith[snip]___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] This is not a joke.
Hello Mike Good on you! >Absolutely! > >I was at a meeting on Wednesday to organize against global racism >(Re: Danish cartoon/"Can't they take a joke", ethnic slums in >France, etc.). I've been wanting to post something about the cartoons. Is the role of Daniel Pipes in all this being acknowledged? The whole thing was a set-up. Best Keith >There were people representing chapters of the Campus Antiwar >Network and the ISO. At the end of the meeting the discussion >shifted to March 18th. There will be a very large mobilization in >Connecticut. In the past, United for Peace and Justice has had huge >mobilizations with 80,000+ people attending in New York City and >entire commuter trains set aside for the ride into the city >(popularly known as the "peace train"). > >Re-inventing the wheel is an appropriate description Keith. > >If you want a strong, grass-roots movement to end the >war/occupation/Bush regime, activists have already been at it for a >long time. All you need to do is JOIN THEM. > >If you don't like the direction of the movement, start at the bottom >and gather consensus. In order to do that, you need to JOIN THEM. > >Mike > >Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Come on, Nigel, it IS a joke. The guy hasn't got a clue, it's got no >direction, no substance, no plan, he hasn't thought anything out, he >doesn't know what's going on around him and he doesn't seem to want >to. There are already many strong and well-established movements >doing all that and very much more, and they didn't just dream it all >up yesterday morning. Doug's just trying to reinvent the wheel, and >getting it all wrong - no hub, no spokes. Maybe he's just after his >15 minutes. There's no need to "help start conversations", they >exist, they don't need starting, they need joining and support. > >Below are some hubs and spokes of real wheels, and real events >happening near you soon. > >Best > >Keith > > >March 18 is an international day of action against the Iraq >occupation. Protests are already planned across the world, including >one in Iraq. > >WSF Assembly calls for global action > >Section on war of the statement of the Assembly of the Social >Movements, World Social Forum, Venezuala, January 29th > >March 18th: International day of mobilisation against the occupation of Iraq > >Against the war and occupations. No more wars. Peace is the only solution. > >We demand the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of foreign >troops from Iraq and an end to the privatisation of energy resources. > >We oppose all occupations by foreign troops and demand an end to the >Israeli occupation of Palestine. We call for the creation of an >independant Palestinian state. > >We oppose intervention in Syria, Iran and Latin American countries, >for example Plan Colombia and the presence of foreign military bases. >We also oppose the use of economic blockades as a weapon of war, as >used for example against Cuba. > >We call for the the elimination of nuclear weapons and weapons of >mass destruction. > >We demand respect for human rights, civil liberties and an end to >torture, kidnappings and illegal detentions including secret prisons. > >We call for participation in the Cairo Conference in Egypt on the 23 >to the 26th March against US hegemony and the occupation of Iraq. > >We call to everyone to mobilise on March 18th 2006 for a day of >global protest against the occupation of Iraq as part of the campaign >to get the troops out. > >http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/ >Fórum Social Mundial >World Social Forum Official homepage > >http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ >Stop the War Coalition >Demonstrate on Saturday 18 March >Troops Home from Iraq >Don't Attack Iran >Saturday 18th March 2006 >Assemble 12 noon Parliament Square >Reasons to demonstrate... >Download leaflet (pdf 42 KB) >http://www.stopwar.org.uk/documents/STWDemoMarch1806_000.pdf >or call 020 7278 6694 to order >Leaflet templates for local groups > >http://www.stopwar.org.uk/march20/events.asp >International Anti-War Mobilisation: Events >North America - 103 events scheduled for March 18 > >http://www.stopwar.org.uk/march20/ >International Anti-War Mobilisation, March 2006 >WWW links to worldwide demonstrations: > >Aalborg, Aarhus, Adana, Adelaide (20/3), Albuquerque, Alicante, >Amsterdam, Ankara, Ann Arbor (19/3), Armidale, Athens, Atlanta, >Baghdad, Bangkok, Bangor, ME, Barcelona, Basra, Battle Creek (19/3), >Bemidji, Berkley (20/3), Berlin, Boise (19/3), Bonn, Boston, Bremen, >Brookline (17/3), Bruxelles (19/3), Budapest, Buffalo, Burlington, >Calgary, Camden, ME (19/3), Caracas, Carbondale (19/3), Chattanooga, >Chicago, [2], Chico, Colorado Springs, Columbus, Comox, Copenhagen, >Covington, Dallas (19/3), Davenport, Denver (19/3), Detroit, Dublin, >Duisburg, Eau Claire, Edmonton, El Centro, Evergreen, Fayetteville, >Fort Collins, Frederick (15/3), Fresno, Gainesville (19/3), >Galveston, Genève, Gijón, Grand Rapids, Göteborg, Halifax, >Hartford (19/3), H
Re: [Biofuel] This is not a joke.
Absolutely! I was at a meeting on Wednesday to organize against global racism (Re: Danish cartoon/"Can't they take a joke", ethnic slums in France, etc.). There were people representing chapters of the Campus Antiwar Network and the ISO. At the end of the meeting the discussion shifted to March 18th. There will be a very large mobilization in Connecticut. In the past, United for Peace and Justice has had huge mobilizations with 80,000+ people attending in New York City and entire commuter trains set aside for the ride into the city (popularly known as the "peace train"). Re-inventing the wheel is an appropriate description Keith. If you want a strong, grass-roots movement to end the war/occupation/Bush regime, activists have already been at it for a long time. All you need to do is JOIN THEM. If you don't like the direction of the movement, start at the bottom and gather consensus. In order to do that, you need to JOIN THEM. Mike Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Come on, Nigel, it IS a joke. The guy hasn't got a clue, it's got no direction, no substance, no plan, he hasn't thought anything out, he doesn't know what's going on around him and he doesn't seem to want to. There are already many strong and well-established movements doing all that and very much more, and they didn't just dream it all up yesterday morning. Doug's just trying to reinvent the wheel, and getting it all wrong - no hub, no spokes. Maybe he's just after his 15 minutes. There's no need to "help start conversations", they exist, they don't need starting, they need joining and support.Below are some hubs and spokes of real wheels, and real events happening near you soon.BestKeithMarch 18 is an international day of action against the Iraq occupation. Protests are already planned across the world, including one in Iraq.WSF Assembly calls for global actionSection on war of the statement of the Assembly of the Social Movements, World Social Forum, Venezuala, January 29thMarch 18th: International day of mobilisation against the occupation of IraqAgainst the war and occupations. No more wars. Peace is the only solution.We demand the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of foreign troops from Iraq and an end to the privatisation of energy resources.We oppose all occupations by foreign troops and demand an end to the Israeli occupation of Palestine. We call for the creation of an independant Palestinian state.We oppose intervention in Syria, Iran and Latin American countries, for example Plan Colombia and the presence of foreign military bases. We also oppose the use of economic blockades as a weapon of war, as used for example against Cuba.We call for the the elimination of nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction.We demand respect for human rights, civil liberties and an end to torture, kidnappings and illegal detentions including secret prisons.We call for participation in the Cairo Conference in Egypt on the 23 to the 26th March against US hegemony and the occupation of Iraq.We call to everyone to mobilise on March 18th 2006 for a day of global protest against the occupation of Iraq as part of the campaign to get the troops out.http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/Fórum Social MundialWorld Social Forum Official homepagehttp://www.stopwar.org.uk/Stop the War CoalitionDemonstrate on Saturday 18 MarchTroops Home from IraqDon't Attack IranSaturday 18th March 2006Assemble 12 noon Parliament SquareReasons to demonstrate...Download leaflet (pdf 42 KB)http://www.stopwar.org.uk/documents/STWDemoMarch1806_000.pdfor call 020 7278 6694 to orderLeaflet templates for local groupshttp://www.stopwar.org.uk/march20/events.aspInternational Anti-War Mobilisation: EventsNorth America - 103 events scheduled for March 18http://www.stopwar.org.uk/march20/International Anti-War Mobilisation, March 2006WWW links to worldwide demonstrations:Aalborg, Aarhus, Adana, Adelaide (20/3), Albuquerque, Alicante, Amsterdam, Ankara, Ann Arbor (19/3), Armidale, Athens, Atlanta, Baghdad, Bangkok, Bangor, ME, Barcelona, Basra, Battle Creek (19/3), Bemidji, Berkley (20/3), Berlin, Boise (19/3), Bonn, Boston, Bremen, Brookline (17/3), Bruxelles (19/3), Budapest, Buffalo, Burlington, Calgary, Camden, ME (19/3), Caracas, Carbondale (19/3), Chattanooga, Chicago, [2], Chico, Colorado Springs, Columbus, Comox, Copenhagen, Covington, Dallas (19/3), Davenport, Denver (19/3), Detroit, Dublin, Duisburg, Eau Claire, Edmonton, El Centro, Evergreen, Fayetteville, Fort Collins, Frederick (15/3), Fresno, Gainesville (19/3), Galveston, Genève, Gijón, Grand Rapids, Göteborg, Halifax, Hartford (19/3), Helsinki, Highland Park, Houston, Indianapolis, Irvine (19/3), Istanbul, Jakarta, Janesville, Kalamazoo, Kansas City (19/3), Karachi, Kent, Ohio (19/3), Kuala Lumpur (19/3), Lake Helen (19/3), Lansing (19/3), Las Vegas, Lisboa, Little Rock, Ljubljana, London, Long Island, Los Angeles, [2] (20/3), Louisville, Madison, Madrid, [2] (19/3), Malmö, Managua, [2],
Re: [Biofuel] This is not a joke.
Come on, Nigel, it IS a joke. The guy hasn't got a clue, it's got no direction, no substance, no plan, he hasn't thought anything out, he doesn't know what's going on around him and he doesn't seem to want to. There are already many strong and well-established movements doing all that and very much more, and they didn't just dream it all up yesterday morning. Doug's just trying to reinvent the wheel, and getting it all wrong - no hub, no spokes. Maybe he's just after his 15 minutes. There's no need to "help start conversations", they exist, they don't need starting, they need joining and support. Below are some hubs and spokes of real wheels, and real events happening near you soon. Best Keith March 18 is an international day of action against the Iraq occupation. Protests are already planned across the world, including one in Iraq. WSF Assembly calls for global action Section on war of the statement of the Assembly of the Social Movements, World Social Forum, Venezuala, January 29th March 18th: International day of mobilisation against the occupation of Iraq Against the war and occupations. No more wars. Peace is the only solution. We demand the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of foreign troops from Iraq and an end to the privatisation of energy resources. We oppose all occupations by foreign troops and demand an end to the Israeli occupation of Palestine. We call for the creation of an independant Palestinian state. We oppose intervention in Syria, Iran and Latin American countries, for example Plan Colombia and the presence of foreign military bases. We also oppose the use of economic blockades as a weapon of war, as used for example against Cuba. We call for the the elimination of nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction. We demand respect for human rights, civil liberties and an end to torture, kidnappings and illegal detentions including secret prisons. We call for participation in the Cairo Conference in Egypt on the 23 to the 26th March against US hegemony and the occupation of Iraq. We call to everyone to mobilise on March 18th 2006 for a day of global protest against the occupation of Iraq as part of the campaign to get the troops out. http://www.forumsocialmundial.org.br/ Fórum Social Mundial World Social Forum Official homepage http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ Stop the War Coalition Demonstrate on Saturday 18 March Troops Home from Iraq Don't Attack Iran Saturday 18th March 2006 Assemble 12 noon Parliament Square Reasons to demonstrate... Download leaflet (pdf 42 KB) http://www.stopwar.org.uk/documents/STWDemoMarch1806_000.pdf or call 020 7278 6694 to order Leaflet templates for local groups http://www.stopwar.org.uk/march20/events.asp International Anti-War Mobilisation: Events North America - 103 events scheduled for March 18 http://www.stopwar.org.uk/march20/ International Anti-War Mobilisation, March 2006 WWW links to worldwide demonstrations: Aalborg, Aarhus, Adana, Adelaide (20/3), Albuquerque, Alicante, Amsterdam, Ankara, Ann Arbor (19/3), Armidale, Athens, Atlanta, Baghdad, Bangkok, Bangor, ME, Barcelona, Basra, Battle Creek (19/3), Bemidji, Berkley (20/3), Berlin, Boise (19/3), Bonn, Boston, Bremen, Brookline (17/3), Bruxelles (19/3), Budapest, Buffalo, Burlington, Calgary, Camden, ME (19/3), Caracas, Carbondale (19/3), Chattanooga, Chicago, [2], Chico, Colorado Springs, Columbus, Comox, Copenhagen, Covington, Dallas (19/3), Davenport, Denver (19/3), Detroit, Dublin, Duisburg, Eau Claire, Edmonton, El Centro, Evergreen, Fayetteville, Fort Collins, Frederick (15/3), Fresno, Gainesville (19/3), Galveston, Genève, Gijón, Grand Rapids, Göteborg, Halifax, Hartford (19/3), Helsinki, Highland Park, Houston, Indianapolis, Irvine (19/3), Istanbul, Jakarta, Janesville, Kalamazoo, Kansas City (19/3), Karachi, Kent, Ohio (19/3), Kuala Lumpur (19/3), Lake Helen (19/3), Lansing (19/3), Las Vegas, Lisboa, Little Rock, Ljubljana, London, Long Island, Los Angeles, [2] (20/3), Louisville, Madison, Madrid, [2] (19/3), Malmö, Managua, [2], Manila, Melbourne (17/3), Melbourne, Florida, Memphis, Midland, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Mobile, Mobile - New Orleans (14/3), Mocksville, Montreal, Mountain View (19/3), Naples (19/3), New Bedford, New Haven, New York, Northville, [2], Odense, Oklahoma, Omdurman, Orange, Ossining, Ottawa, Palo Alto, Pittsburgh, Quebec City, Redding, Reykjavik, Riverside (17/3), Roma, Roxbury, Salisbury, MD (19/3), Salt Lake City, San Diego, San Juan, San Sebastián-Donostia, Santa Barbara (16/3), Santa Cruz de Tenerife, Santiago de Chile (17/3), São Paulo, Sarasota, Seattle, Seoul (19/3), South Portland (19/3), Southold (19/3), Stevens Point, Stockholm, Sydney, Tallahassee (19/3), Tarragona, Tijuana - San Francisco (12/3), Tokyo, Toronto, Trabzon, Tucson, Vancouver, Victoria, Walnut Creek, Warsaw (19/3), Washington DC, Wellington, West Bend, Wien (Vienna), Wilmington. All demos on 18/3/2006 CND - Campaign f
Re: [Biofuel] This is not a joke.
MALCOLM MACLURE wrote: > Perhaps the date falling on April fools day could be capitalised upon to > demonstrate how much of a joke the US government has become in its > standing for democracy, freedom….. > I think that's amply illustrated by our government's opposition to the recent Palestinian elections. Apparently, we only want democracy when the elected regimes suit our purposes. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] This is not a joke.
Perhaps the date falling on April fools day could be capitalised upon to demonstrate how much of a joke the US government has become in its standing for democracy, freedom….. Malcolm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nigel Kelly Sent: 02 March 2006 21:55 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] This is not a joke. Doug - I didn't mean it to offend - I HIGHLY commend what you're doing - I think it's brilliant. I'm just bringing a potential stumbling block to your awareness. I'm wrapped to know there is someone passionate, with a global awareness, inside the US raising this issue. One of the challenges us "non Americans" have is to raise these very issues without being looked upon as complaining. So thank you. I also note (and love) the Thomas Jefferson quote you put on one of your other messages. “The end of democracy and the defeat of the American revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of the lending insitutions and moneyed incorporations." -President Thomas Jefferson (a founder of America in condemnation of cartel power. 1743-1826) Doug - I'm right behand the cause, the date still concerns me a little because of the confusion it could causeIf you can find people in the press to publicise what you're up to it'd be brilliant! Maybe some press coverage (if it's not already arranged) would help start some conversations across the country. Good luck Nigel - Original Message - From: Douglas Smith To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] This is not a joke. On Mar 1, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Nigel Kelly wrote: Let's face it - no-one's going to do anything like this... en masse on April 1. I (for one) would expect it to be an April fools joke - I'm not 100% convinced that it's not right now. Take my word for it, it's not a joke. Snigger if you will, but who is doing anything else? This administration and what they have done to the world is not a joke either. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore with or without Mr. Kelly. But I ask all others who have had enough to do it. What's to loose? Oh..our country. April 1st. Be Counted. It's simple. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] This is not a joke.
Doug - I didn't mean it to offend - I HIGHLY commend what you're doing - I think it's brilliant. I'm just bringing a potential stumbling block to your awareness. I'm wrapped to know there is someone passionate, with a global awareness, inside the US raising this issue. One of the challenges us "non Americans" have is to raise these very issues without being looked upon as complaining. So thank you. I also note (and love) the Thomas Jefferson quote you put on one of your other messages. The end of democracy and the defeat of the American revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of the lending insitutions and moneyed incorporations." -President Thomas Jefferson (a founder of America in condemnation of cartel power. 1743-1826) Doug - I'm right behand the cause, the date still concerns me a little because of the confusion it could causeIf you can find people in the press to publicise what you're up to it'd be brilliant! Maybe some press coverage (if it's not already arranged) would help start some conversations across the country. Good luck Nigel - Original Message - From: Douglas Smith To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 11:27 PM Subject: [Biofuel] This is not a joke. On Mar 1, 2006, at 8:36 PM, Nigel Kelly wrote: Let's face it - no-one's going to do anything like this... en masse on April 1. I (for one) would expect it to be an April fools joke - I'm not 100% convinced that it's not right now. Take my word for it, it's not a joke. Snigger if you will, but who is doing anything else? This administration and what they have done to the world is not a joke either. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore with or without Mr. Kelly. But I ask all others who have had enough to do it. What's to loose? Oh..our country. April 1st. Be Counted. It's simple. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
