Re: [biofuel] Methanol Production
Hello, I've been trying to find technical info on the use of ethanol in the biodiesel manufacturing process, with no luck. I've been discussing the possibility of a small-scale plant that produced both biodiesel and ethanol, using agricultural raw materials (we are lucky in California - lots of raw materials). It seems that there would have to be an internal production of methanol to feed into biodiesel production- perhaps not hard to do if you are making ethanol at the same time? Apparently any woody material can be used for methanol production. I don't know of any yeast that churn out methanol, although there may be some bacteria that do. You would need some good distillation equipment, in any case. On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Bryan Brah wrote: Since it is so difficult to make BioDiesel with ethanol, how hard would it be to make methanol at home? I know that methanol is a by-product of ethanol distillation of fruits containing high concentrations of pectin, is there a way to exploit this fact and make just methanol? -BRAH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol Production
Hello Karus, Bryan Hello, I've been trying to find technical info on the use of ethanol in the biodiesel manufacturing process, with no luck. There's quite a lot of info in the archives, and more here: Ethyl-esters biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_link.html#ethylester I've been discussing the possibility of a small-scale plant that produced both biodiesel and ethanol, using agricultural raw materials (we are lucky in California - lots of raw materials). It seems that there would have to be an internal production of methanol to feed into biodiesel production- perhaps not hard to do if you are making ethanol at the same time? Apparently any woody material can be used for methanol production. I don't know of any yeast that churn out methanol, although there may be some bacteria that do. You would need some good distillation equipment, in any case. On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Bryan Brah wrote: Since it is so difficult to make BioDiesel with ethanol, how hard would it be to make methanol at home? I know that methanol is a by-product of ethanol distillation of fruits containing high concentrations of pectin, is there a way to exploit this fact and make just methanol? Seems it doesn't make very much. Ken Provost previously said he'd found a lot of info on small-scale methanol production, maybe he can help - but I tried similar searches and didn't find much at all. I also asked the good folks at the GAS list (gasification) at CREST, and got a response from Dr Tom Reed, who did a great deal of work on methanol fuelk production in the 70s and after. His view was that there's nothing there for backyarders, or not yet anyway. You're more or less left with destructive distillation from cellulose products (wood) or steam reformation of syngas (I think). Also, do an archive search for Hynol. Best Keith -BRAH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol Production
Most Methanol made in America today is made from Natural gas by destructive distilation. You can make your own with methain using copper scub pads for a catilist but it is expensive. You would be better off useing ethel alcohol. You can use cornmeal to take the last 5% of the water out of the vapor. (A still will only make 95% pure alcohol and you will need 100% to make biodesiel) -Original Message- From: Bryan Brah [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:57:16 -0500 Subject: [biofuel] Methanol Production Since it is so difficult to make BioDiesel with ethanol, how hard would it be to make methanol at home? I know that methanol is a by-product of ethanol distillation of fruits containing high concentrations of pectin, is there a way to exploit this fact and make just methanol? -BRAH [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z_CBYA/vB5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Methanol Production
Keith, I too found information on the process of creating methanol from syn-gas (CO, CO2, H2): http://www.methanex.com/emergingenergy/syngasfactory.htm Although I could not find out how the natural gas is transformed into the syngas, I did find some information on destructive distillation: http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/JCESoft/CCA/CCA5/MAIN/1ORGANIC/ORG18/DDWOOD/MOVIE.HTM This is an alcohol fuels glossary - I recommend everyone look at this if you are interested in alcohol fuels: http://www.dnr.state.la.us/SEC/EXECDIV/TECHASMT/lep/fal87/020.htm Methanol toxicity: http://csf.colorado.edu/envtecsoc/2000/msg00541.html Oh, I found this too: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_sawdust.html I may do an experiment this summer on the feasibility of home destructive distillation. -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Keith Addison wrote: Seems it doesn't make very much. Ken Provost previously said he'd found a lot of info on small-scale methanol production, maybe he can help - but I tried similar searches and didn't find much at all. I also asked the good folks at the GAS list (gasification) at CREST, and got a response from Dr Tom Reed, who did a great deal of work on methanol fuelk production in the 70s and after. His view was that there's nothing there for backyarders, or not yet anyway. You're more or less left with destructive distillation from cellulose products (wood) or steam reformation of syngas (I think). Also, do an archive search for Hynol. Best Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/pDi3hB/OC5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol production/corncobs
One of our project members has requested that I investigate the possability of methanol production using corn cobs as a feedstock. Consisting of mainly cellulose I imagine that a destructive distillation might be the route to go. Does anyone have a lead for more information on destructive distillation or related material? I am more inclined to use pulverized corncobs as Biodiesel production power myself but a small scale methanol production unit would definately lower our projected costs of Biodiesel production. Dana Linscott Hi Dana Why not go for ethyl esters? Re methanol, there's some information in the message archives. Try a search for Hynol, destructive distillation, DD, should work. We haven't found anything satisfactory. There was a method in a Home Power article mentioned (Jerry?), but I don't think anybody's tried it and I don't have a detailed description of it. Do you need to expend the power pulverising the corncobs for BD production? Couldn't you burn them as-is? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol production/corncobs
Hi Keith, Dana and All, --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of our project members has requested that I investigate the possability of methanol production using corn cobs as a feedstock. Consisting of mainly cellulose I imagine that a destructive distillation might be the route to go. Does anyone have a lead for more information on destructive distillation or related material? I am more inclined to use pulverized corncobs as Biodiesel production power myself but a small scale methanol production unit would definately lower our projected costs of Biodiesel production. Dana Linscott Hi Dana Why not go for ethyl esters? Re methanol, there's some information in the message archives. Try a search for Hynol, destructive distillation, DD, should work. We haven't found anything satisfactory. There was a method in a Home Power article mentioned (Jerry?), but I don't think anybody's tried it and I don't have a detailed description of it. Do you need to expend the power pulverising the corncobs for BD production? Couldn't you burn them as-is? The Hynol report wasn't very good. Maybe when they complete their work but right now it's a waste of time. Sounds like someone is milking the gov for grant money. The Home Power Mag DD to methanol article is looking better as I've read other stuff that it will work. How to purify it is another question. It's on their 1st CD. If you just need heat a producer gas unit may be good for you or just burn the cobs like Keith said. Serveral good producer gas units on Keith's and Steve's sites. jerry dycus Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol production/corncobs
One of our project members has requested that I investigate the possability of methanol production using corn cobs as a feedstock. Consisting of mainly cellulose I imagine that a destructive distillation might be the route to go. Does anyone have a lead for more information on destructive distillation or related material? I am more inclined to use pulverized corncobs as Biodiesel production power myself but a small scale methanol production unit would definately lower our projected costs of Biodiesel production. Dana Linscott __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
