Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps
Right down here around Oshkosh -- there's a place called Rush Lake, supposedly the best duck hunting in the whole midwest once upon a time, but there's so much lead shot and its so shallow (most of it is only 1'-1.5' deep, but some places it might get 5') and there was a huge waterfowl die-off a few years ago, over 2000 died from ingesting lead shot one Summer. And the cattails have moved in and taken over so bad, so they're working on a project to restore it. http://www.northern-env.com/rushlake/Ann%20%20Events/Ann%20%20Events%202001-presentation.html And I've also seen some recent stuff about a similar DNR project down at Horicon Marsh about 30-40 miles south of here. I think they'd be very receptive to a harvesting plan, in fact the DNR was asking for volunteer help at Horicon. The problem with all of these places (also the whole Fox Wolf Rivers/Winnebago chain of lakes) is caused by dams. At Rush Lake, the damn doesn't make it that deep, but it stops water level fluctuation, which is what allows the cattails to become dominate, and also created a floating bog rather than an anchored one. In the big lake, Winnebago and the upstream lakes, they caused a major eco catastrophe when they put in the dam in the '60's. The increased water level lifted the bogs free of the bottom, they all floated downstream and then died, so now there's a major problem with algae in the water -- it looks literally like pea soup in Summer. You can't see even two feet underwater at times. If you (or anyone else) had a serious interest in trying to harvest the cattails, I'd be quite happy to work with you on it. Money is the problem, I'm dead broke, and although WI has a good bioremediation grant program, we also have right now a 1.1 billion budget deficit, and it doesn't look like any grant money will be available this year. On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 07:36:22PM -, motie_d wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not for oil, but cattails for ethanol certainly fits that bill. In fact, locally I'm currently half-heartedly investigating a couple of different cattail control programs -- really big areas, hundreds, maybe thousands of acres, that the DNR and other people are looking at to restore to a more diverse habitat. Their plan is to drain the areas and try to burn the cattails. I'd think if they drain it enough, going in with big 4WD tractors w/double tires pulling a potato digger it might both serve their purposes and create a fantastic harvest of ethanol feedstock, plus biomass (the tops) for gasification. I say half-heartedly only because I'm just in no position financially to do anything with it, although with the new ethanol plant being built within a few miles of one huge cattail marsh they want to clear, it would seem an easy market. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Harmon, You got my attention! Where is this potential resource located? Motie Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps
Depends on the region. For where? Regards, Edward Beggs, BES, MSc www.biofuels.ca on 5/21/02 11:27 AM, Ken Provost at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Motie writes: I think home brewers have a distinct advantage over commercial-level volumes, because home facilities can use wasteproducts, and perhaps even get paid for disposal. How much would it cost you to hire someone to make Oil pickups for a plant to produce 1000 gallons/day? How far from home would you have to go to gather that much waste? The cost of collection and transport would not be worthwhile. If you simply gather up what is readily available in the course of your normal activities, the cost is much less. Economics get all counter-intuitive when a resource is widely/thinly distributed -- sunlight is another great example. What's interesting about vegoil is that it starts out very concentrated and expensive, and ends up widely distributed but of poor quality. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a widely distributed oil crop that was of little food use, so that good quality oil could be had in small quantities anywhere. Something like acorns, pinenuts, gopher plant, or perhaps a weed we're not paying attention to. And I don't mean jatropha, or jojoba, or cuphea, or anything you have to PLANT -- then it just becomes another agribusiness. I mean an already existing weed. Any ideas? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps
Milkweed is one I remember. Grows pretty well some places. Kirk -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:46 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 11:27:27AM -0700, Ken Provost wrote: Economics get all counter-intuitive when a resource is widely/thinly distributed -- sunlight is another great example. What's interesting about vegoil is that it starts out very concentrated and expensive, and ends up widely distributed but of poor quality. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a widely distributed oil crop that was of little food use, so that good quality oil could be had in small quantities anywhere. Something like acorns, pinenuts, gopher plant, or perhaps a weed we're not paying attention to. And I don't mean jatropha, or jojoba, or cuphea, or anything you have to PLANT -- then it just becomes another agribusiness. I mean an already existing weed. Any ideas? Not for oil, but cattails for ethanol certainly fits that bill. In fact, locally I'm currently half-heartedly investigating a couple of different cattail control programs -- really big areas, hundreds, maybe thousands of acres, that the DNR and other people are looking at to restore to a more diverse habitat. Their plan is to drain the areas and try to burn the cattails. I'd think if they drain it enough, going in with big 4WD tractors w/double tires pulling a potato digger it might both serve their purposes and create a fantastic harvest of ethanol feedstock, plus biomass (the tops) for gasification. I say half-heartedly only because I'm just in no position financially to do anything with it, although with the new ethanol plant being built within a few miles of one huge cattail marsh they want to clear, it would seem an easy market. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps
The oil sells for a very high price. Too high value for fuel. Regards, Edward Beggs, BES, MSc www.biofuels.ca on 5/21/02 12:44 PM, kirk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in Montana. It grows in weed patches, turned soil, burned areas, roadsides etc. You should be able to find lots of info on web. Some people cultivate it for the pods. -Original Message- From: Shukrainternationals [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:31 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps Where does it grow? - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:24 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps Milkweed is one I remember. Grows pretty well some places. Kirk -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:46 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 11:27:27AM -0700, Ken Provost wrote: Economics get all counter-intuitive when a resource is widely/thinly distributed -- sunlight is another great example. What's interesting about vegoil is that it starts out very concentrated and expensive, and ends up widely distributed but of poor quality. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a widely distributed oil crop that was of little food use, so that good quality oil could be had in small quantities anywhere. Something like acorns, pinenuts, gopher plant, or perhaps a weed we're not paying attention to. And I don't mean jatropha, or jojoba, or cuphea, or anything you have to PLANT -- then it just becomes another agribusiness. I mean an already existing weed. Any ideas? Not for oil, but cattails for ethanol certainly fits that bill. In fact, locally I'm currently half-heartedly investigating a couple of different cattail control programs -- really big areas, hundreds, maybe thousands of acres, that the DNR and other people are looking at to restore to a more diverse habitat. Their plan is to drain the areas and try to burn the cattails. I'd think if they drain it enough, going in with big 4WD tractors w/double tires pulling a potato digger it might both serve their purposes and create a fantastic harvest of ethanol feedstock, plus biomass (the tops) for gasification. I say half-heartedly only because I'm just in no position financially to do anything with it, although with the new ethanol plant being built within a few miles of one huge cattail marsh they want to clear, it would seem an easy market. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM
RE: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps
I live in Montana. It grows in weed patches, turned soil, burned areas, roadsides etc. You should be able to find lots of info on web. Some people cultivate it for the pods. -Original Message- From: Shukrainternationals [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:31 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps Where does it grow? - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:24 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps Milkweed is one I remember. Grows pretty well some places. Kirk -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:46 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 11:27:27AM -0700, Ken Provost wrote: Economics get all counter-intuitive when a resource is widely/thinly distributed -- sunlight is another great example. What's interesting about vegoil is that it starts out very concentrated and expensive, and ends up widely distributed but of poor quality. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a widely distributed oil crop that was of little food use, so that good quality oil could be had in small quantities anywhere. Something like acorns, pinenuts, gopher plant, or perhaps a weed we're not paying attention to. And I don't mean jatropha, or jojoba, or cuphea, or anything you have to PLANT -- then it just becomes another agribusiness. I mean an already existing weed. Any ideas? Not for oil, but cattails for ethanol certainly fits that bill. In fact, locally I'm currently half-heartedly investigating a couple of different cattail control programs -- really big areas, hundreds, maybe thousands of acres, that the DNR and other people are looking at to restore to a more diverse habitat. Their plan is to drain the areas and try to burn the cattails. I'd think if they drain it enough, going in with big 4WD tractors w/double tires pulling a potato digger it might both serve their purposes and create a fantastic harvest of ethanol feedstock, plus biomass (the tops) for gasification. I say half-heartedly only because I'm just in no position financially to do anything with it, although with the new ethanol plant being built within a few miles of one huge cattail marsh they want to clear, it would seem an easy market. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps
From a historical perspective, milkweed pods were gathered from the wild, and the floss was extracted and used as fill for life jackets during World War II. After the War, these efforts were abandoned. Standard Oil of Ohio became involved with milkweed in the late 1970s. Nobel Laureate, Melvin Calvin, and others projected that billions of barrels of synthetic crude oil could be recovered from the biomass of milkweed. A research program in cooperation with Native Plants, Inc. was started to produce a synthetic crude oil from milkweed biomass. Milkweed was grown like hay--it was cut, dried, and baled. The dried biomass was then subjected to a hexane extraction and a few chemical processes to produce a crude oil substitute. The unfortunate conclusion from these studies was that the price was too high and the yield was too low. Economically, it was totally unfeasible. http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1993/v2-422.html -- on 5/21/02 12:44 PM, kirk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in Montana. It grows in weed patches, turned soil, burned areas, roadsides etc. You should be able to find lots of info on web. Some people cultivate it for the pods. -Original Message- From: Shukrainternationals [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:31 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps Where does it grow? - Original Message - From: kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:24 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps Milkweed is one I remember. Grows pretty well some places. Kirk -Original Message- From: Harmon Seaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:46 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 11:27:27AM -0700, Ken Provost wrote: Economics get all counter-intuitive when a resource is widely/thinly distributed -- sunlight is another great example. What's interesting about vegoil is that it starts out very concentrated and expensive, and ends up widely distributed but of poor quality. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a widely distributed oil crop that was of little food use, so that good quality oil could be had in small quantities anywhere. Something like acorns, pinenuts, gopher plant, or perhaps a weed we're not paying attention to. And I don't mean jatropha, or jojoba, or cuphea, or anything you have to PLANT -- then it just becomes another agribusiness. I mean an already existing weed. Any ideas? Not for oil, but cattails for ethanol certainly fits that bill. In fact, locally I'm currently half-heartedly investigating a couple of different cattail control programs -- really big areas, hundreds, maybe thousands of acres, that the DNR and other people are looking at to restore to a more diverse habitat. Their plan is to drain the areas and try to burn the cattails. I'd think if they drain it enough, going in with big 4WD tractors w/double tires pulling a potato digger it might both serve their purposes and create a fantastic harvest of ethanol feedstock, plus biomass (the tops) for gasification. I say half-heartedly only because I'm just in no position financially to do anything with it, although with the new ethanol plant being built within a few miles of one huge cattail marsh they want to clear, it would seem an easy market. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.363 / Virus Database: 201 - Release Date: 5/21/2002 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked
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U. Cannabis? It seems to do quite well all by its lonesome. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 2:27 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: biofuel at the pumps Motie writes: I think home brewers have a distinct advantage over commercial-level volumes, because home facilities can use wasteproducts, and perhaps even get paid for disposal. How much would it cost you to hire someone to make Oil pickups for a plant to produce 1000 gallons/day? How far from home would you have to go to gather that much waste? The cost of collection and transport would not be worthwhile. If you simply gather up what is readily available in the course of your normal activities, the cost is much less. Economics get all counter-intuitive when a resource is widely/thinly distributed -- sunlight is another great example. What's interesting about vegoil is that it starts out very concentrated and expensive, and ends up widely distributed but of poor quality. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a widely distributed oil crop that was of little food use, so that good quality oil could be had in small quantities anywhere. Something like acorns, pinenuts, gopher plant, or perhaps a weed we're not paying attention to. And I don't mean jatropha, or jojoba, or cuphea, or anything you have to PLANT -- then it just becomes another agribusiness. I mean an already existing weed. Any ideas? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Ser vice. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Ed Beggs wrote: Depends on the region. For where? in response to on 5/21/02 11:27 AM, Ken Provost at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if there was a widely distributed oil crop that was of little food use, so that good quality oil could be had in small quantities anywhere. Something like acorns, pinenuts, gopher plant, or perhaps a weed we're not paying attention to. And I don't mean jatropha, or jojoba, or cuphea, or anything you have to PLANT -- then it just becomes another agribusiness. I mean an already existing weed. Any ideas? Anywhere you know about! Relocation expenses will have to be negotiated, of course :-) ..-K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Pack your bags. ;-) http://www.goodnewsindia.com/Pages/content/discovery/honge.html Regards, Edward Beggs, BES, MSc www.biofuels.ca on 5/21/02 1:53 PM, Ken Provost at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Beggs wrote: Depends on the region. For where? in response to on 5/21/02 11:27 AM, Ken Provost at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if there was a widely distributed oil crop that was of little food use, so that good quality oil could be had in small quantities anywhere. Something like acorns, pinenuts, gopher plant, or perhaps a weed we're not paying attention to. And I don't mean jatropha, or jojoba, or cuphea, or anything you have to PLANT -- then it just becomes another agribusiness. I mean an already existing weed. Any ideas? Anywhere you know about! Relocation expenses will have to be negotiated, of course :-) ..-K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Ed Beggs writes: A weed, you say? Something very hardy? Ironically, agribusiness itself may have supplied the answer for this one. GM Canola is now appearing as a weed. It is resistant to certain herbicides (it was designed that way, after all), it is now known to be capable of having gene stacking occur, and being a brassica in origin in the first place, does quite well out there in the world on its own. Given a few more years, you'll likely be able to gather your oilseed fuel from the very roadside ditches you travel past.. I love it! Actually, I've been poking around awhile now, and the Brassica family is a great candidate for my ideal oilseed weed. For sheer availability, you probably can't beat wild mustard -- 30% oil by weight! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/DlIU9C/4m7CAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
