RE: US BATF Ethanol Permits was Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
In France custom distillers will render fruit or whatever a farmer has that may be too far along and turn it into something else of value. In Britain or the US you pour spoiled jam or a corn chip processor pours liquid down drain as it isn't worth the hassle dealing with the bureaucraps. We could take a lesson from the French. Kirk -Original Message- From: ronald miller sr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:36 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: US BATF Ethanol Permits was Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up And all of these years I thought we were a progressive thinking country. Maybe it's because I don't drink is why I don't understand. I just want to make fuel for my car. Ron - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: US BATF Ethanol Permits was Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up The text after my signature is taken directly off a US Dept. of the Treasury, BATF guide sheet for alcohol fuel plants. Alcohol fuel plants generally fall under small, medium and large. There are other formalities for Specially Denatured Spirits (SDS) users, alcohol fuel producers (small farm plants, etc.) and other alcohol use variations. Alcohol fuel producers start off with form 5110.74. But, as with all paperwork, getting the form is the simple part. Success in obtaining a permit includes other responsibilities, such as securing storage facilities to prevent unauthorized entry. Depending upon production capacity, this could be construed to include razor wire, security personnel, etc. BATF also secures the right to inspect facilities, records and reports during normal business hours, as well as acquisition of samples of products to ensure compliance with law and regulations. Just in case anyone wishes to know. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] DISTILLED SPIRITS PLANT - INDUSTRIAL INFORMATION This refers to your request for forms and information regarding the establishment of a plant to produce industrial alcohol. In order to establish such a plant, you must comply with all the requirements of Part 19, Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations as follows: 1) Register your plant on Form 5110.41 (see 27 CFR 19.151 and 19.152). 2) Make application on Form 5110.25 for an operating permit (see 19.157 and 19.158). 3) File bond on Form 5110.56 (see Subpart H of Part 19). No photocopies or faxed copies of this form, please! 4) File Form 5000.29, Environmental Information 5) File Form 5000.30, Supplemental Water Quality Considerations. 6) File Form 5000.9, Personnel Questionnaire, for each officer, director and stockholder owning ten percent or more of the voting stock of the corporation. 7) Furnish signature authority for each individual signing documents submitted to this Bureau. Either Form 5000.8, Power of Attorney, or Form 5100.1, Signing Authority for Corporate Officials, may be used for this purpose. However, in lieu of these forms, a resolution by the Board of Directors granting signature authorization may be submitted. 8) File application on Form 5100.16, to receive spirits by transfer in bond (see 19.506). An application is required for each distilled spirits plant transferring spirits. 9) If any trade names are to be used, submit evidence of State registration. .. http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http
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Can I ask: how hard was it for you to file for and get your fuel producer permit? -Martin Klingensmith (I'm in NY as well) --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had no issue with NY. the fed permit was sufficient. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Steve, Does the federal permit over rule the state regulations. They (B.A.T.F.) told me to check with my state beverage control board about state laws. My state (Alabama) has stricter regulations than the Feds and they also charge an annual fee of $100.00. They have a statement in the state code that says it must be a continueous. What might this mean? Ron Miller - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up the exemption is that for on site use, the fuel does not have to be denatured. reporting is less stringent as well. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: cpech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up I believe there is an exemption for less than 10,000 gallons per year. If that applies to you, you might want to take advantage of it. Craig - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send
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Hi Martin, Here is the phone number I promised you for the B.A.T.F. in Ohio. The toll free number is 1-800-398-2282. Another number (not toll free) is 1-513-684-7222. The last number is a lady named Karen. She was extremely helpful. It only took a few days for the packet to come and it contained a lot of info concerning the filling out of the application. Regards, Ron Miller - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Can I ask: how hard was it for you to file for and get your fuel producer permit? -Martin Klingensmith (I'm in NY as well) --- steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had no issue with NY. the fed permit was sufficient. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Steve, Does the federal permit over rule the state regulations. They (B.A.T.F.) told me to check with my state beverage control board about state laws. My state (Alabama) has stricter regulations than the Feds and they also charge an annual fee of $100.00. They have a statement in the state code that says it must be a continueous. What might this mean? Ron Miller - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up the exemption is that for on site use, the fuel does not have to be denatured. reporting is less stringent as well. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: cpech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up I believe there is an exemption for less than 10,000 gallons per year. If that applies to you, you might want to take advantage of it. Craig - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send
Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
Hi Martin, Here is the phone number I promised you for the B.A.T.F. in Ohio. The toll free number is 1-800-398-2282. Another number (not toll free) is 1-513-684-7222. The last number is a lady named Karen. She was extremely helpful. It only took a few days for the packet to come and it contained a lot of info concerning the filling out of the application. Regards, Ron Miller Try snipping. No need to have six of these on the end of a message: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Thanks. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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What is snipping? - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Hi Martin, Here is the phone number I promised you for the B.A.T.F. in Ohio. The toll free number is 1-800-398-2282. Another number (not toll free) is 1-513-684-7222. The last number is a lady named Karen. She was extremely helpful. It only took a few days for the packet to come and it contained a lot of info concerning the filling out of the application. Regards, Ron Miller Try snipping. No need to have six of these on the end of a message: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Thanks. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is snipping? When responding to messages, cut the bits that aren't relevant, or snip in Net-speak. For instance, each message carries the standard footer text, and if you respond to a message without cutting the footer, your response will have two footers. Waste of bandwidth. Your response to Martin had six footers. Your response to me had two. If I just left it there, this message would have three. There are 660-odd list members, about 500 receiving email; the footer is seven lines, you had six of them, that's 21,000 lines needlessly transmitted, plus a growing load of garbage in the message archives at the list website, slowing down archive searches and wasting online time. In the original message text, cut everything except what's relevant to your reply - see below. This is standard netiquette, much neglected but good behaviour nonetheless. Required behaviour. It's also a good idea to change the subject heading when you change the subject - eg, the subject heading of this message: Snipping, PLEASE TAKE NOTE - was Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up. It saves time, especially for people using the web interface to read messages while online. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Hi Martin, Here is the phone number I promised you for the B.A.T.F. in Ohio. The snip Ron Miller Try snipping. No need to have six of these on the end of a message: Biofuel at Journey to Forever: snip Keith Addison Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[PDF] www.fsa.usda.gov/daco/bioenergy/CCC-850%20Instructions.pdf It's an acrobat document includes the instructions and forms and eligibility. It's in government-ese (lawyer language), but the form is pretty self-expalanatory. I would definetly go legal with this, the govt. has the right to aquire the distillery and the property it is on! The ATF does not play fair [they dress like SWAT nowadays] at all and if you should start production before getting the permits I would denature the product to render it undrinkable and put up signs stating that. (to prevent theft and to cover your rear should the ATF show up, they are the nosey ones.) enjoy, cordain dulles,va From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 20:01:43 -0700 (PDT) I've been to the ATF page a dozen times and I don't see form 5110.74 if that's what I need :) Well the still will be located on commercial/industrial land afaik, if not then I suppose I won't be too legal.. the police aren't that nosy around here. But being legal is the way to get ahead without the risk of causing trouble for yourself. Red tape isn't a problem. As long as there aren't ridiculous limitations I'll be fine.. and I'll be glad to let everyone know how my experiment goes. -Martin Klingensmith --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol Please do keep the list informed on your progress, particularly in light of your desire to be totally legal. I understand your distillation operation cannot be located anywhere on a residential property (including yard, garage, shed, etc.) In addition you will be required to submit proof that your alcohol is stored in a properly secured (i.e., locked and theft-proof) facility, and you will need to make regular reports as to the quantity of alcohol you are distilling and proof that it is being used for non-beverage purposes. If it's not as hard as it appears red-tapewise, others may be encouraged by your success. I am planning on starting up a small still [10 gal/day to start] for my own experimental fuel purposes. Could anyone supply me with the form number I need to get a small fuel ethanol distiller's license from the BATF? I will probably start work before I actually get the license but I do intend to be legal with what I do. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: US BATF Ethanol Permits was Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
And all of these years I thought we were a progressive thinking country. Maybe it's because I don't drink is why I don't understand. I just want to make fuel for my car. Ron - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:14 PM Subject: US BATF Ethanol Permits was Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up The text after my signature is taken directly off a US Dept. of the Treasury, BATF guide sheet for alcohol fuel plants. Alcohol fuel plants generally fall under small, medium and large. There are other formalities for Specially Denatured Spirits (SDS) users, alcohol fuel producers (small farm plants, etc.) and other alcohol use variations. Alcohol fuel producers start off with form 5110.74. But, as with all paperwork, getting the form is the simple part. Success in obtaining a permit includes other responsibilities, such as securing storage facilities to prevent unauthorized entry. Depending upon production capacity, this could be construed to include razor wire, security personnel, etc. BATF also secures the right to inspect facilities, records and reports during normal business hours, as well as acquisition of samples of products to ensure compliance with law and regulations. Just in case anyone wishes to know. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] DISTILLED SPIRITS PLANT - INDUSTRIAL INFORMATION This refers to your request for forms and information regarding the establishment of a plant to produce industrial alcohol. In order to establish such a plant, you must comply with all the requirements of Part 19, Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations as follows: 1) Register your plant on Form 5110.41 (see 27 CFR 19.151 and 19.152). 2) Make application on Form 5110.25 for an operating permit (see 19.157 and 19.158). 3) File bond on Form 5110.56 (see Subpart H of Part 19). No photocopies or faxed copies of this form, please! 4) File Form 5000.29, Environmental Information 5) File Form 5000.30, Supplemental Water Quality Considerations. 6) File Form 5000.9, Personnel Questionnaire, for each officer, director and stockholder owning ten percent or more of the voting stock of the corporation. 7) Furnish signature authority for each individual signing documents submitted to this Bureau. Either Form 5000.8, Power of Attorney, or Form 5100.1, Signing Authority for Corporate Officials, may be used for this purpose. However, in lieu of these forms, a resolution by the Board of Directors granting signature authorization may be submitted. 8) File application on Form 5100.16, to receive spirits by transfer in bond (see 19.506). An application is required for each distilled spirits plant transferring spirits. 9) If any trade names are to be used, submit evidence of State registration. .. http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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if you call them , they will send you the proper forms. just ask for small fuel producer Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up I've been to the ATF page a dozen times and I don't see form 5110.74 if that's what I need :) Well the still will be located on commercial/industrial land afaik, if not then I suppose I won't be too legal.. the police aren't that nosy around here. But being legal is the way to get ahead without the risk of causing trouble for yourself. Red tape isn't a problem. As long as there aren't ridiculous limitations I'll be fine.. and I'll be glad to let everyone know how my experiment goes. -Martin Klingensmith --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol Please do keep the list informed on your progress, particularly in light of your desire to be totally legal. I understand your distillation operation cannot be located anywhere on a residential property (including yard, garage, shed, etc.) In addition you will be required to submit proof that your alcohol is stored in a properly secured (i.e., locked and theft-proof) facility, and you will need to make regular reports as to the quantity of alcohol you are distilling and proof that it is being used for non-beverage purposes. If it's not as hard as it appears red-tapewise, others may be encouraged by your success. I am planning on starting up a small still [10 gal/day to start] for my own experimental fuel purposes. Could anyone supply me with the form number I need to get a small fuel ethanol distiller's license from the BATF? I will probably start work before I actually get the license but I do intend to be legal with what I do. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I had no issue with NY. the fed permit was sufficient. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: ronald miller sr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 11:18 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Steve, Does the federal permit over rule the state regulations. They (B.A.T.F.) told me to check with my state beverage control board about state laws. My state (Alabama) has stricter regulations than the Feds and they also charge an annual fee of $100.00. They have a statement in the state code that says it must be a continueous. What might this mean? Ron Miller - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up the exemption is that for on site use, the fuel does not have to be denatured. reporting is less stringent as well. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: cpech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up I believe there is an exemption for less than 10,000 gallons per year. If that applies to you, you might want to take advantage of it. Craig - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol Please do keep the list informed on your progress, particularly in light of your desire to be totally legal. I understand your distillation operation cannot be located anywhere on a residential property (including yard, garage, shed, etc.) In addition you will be required to submit proof that your alcohol is stored in a properly secured (i.e., locked and theft-proof) facility, and you will need to make regular reports as to the quantity of alcohol you are distilling and proof that it is being used for non-beverage purposes. If it's not as hard as it appears red-tapewise, others may be encouraged by your success. I am planning on starting up a small still [10 gal/day to start] for my own experimental fuel purposes. Could anyone supply me with the form number I need to get a small fuel ethanol distiller's license from the BATF? I will probably start work before I actually get the license but I do intend to be legal with what I do. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
I believe there is an exemption for less than 10,000 gallons per year. If that applies to you, you might want to take advantage of it. Craig - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thank you I will have to call the nearest office I suppose, form 5110.74 is not on the web page. -Martin Klingensmith --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
the exemption is that for on site use, the fuel does not have to be denatured. reporting is less stringent as well. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: cpech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up I believe there is an exemption for less than 10,000 gallons per year. If that applies to you, you might want to take advantage of it. Craig - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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they will refer you to the Ohio office. it's pretty easy to get licensed as a small fuel producer. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Thank you I will have to call the nearest office I suppose, form 5110.74 is not on the web page. -Martin Klingensmith --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thank you I will have to call the nearest office I suppose, form 5110.74 is not on the web page. -Martin Klingensmith BATF Alcohol Programs -- FAQs, Information, Permits, Regulations: http://www.atf.treas.gov/alcohol/index.htm Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
Hi Martin, I received my packet not long ago from the B.A.T.F. the form you need is ATF F %110.74 (2/90). This is an application for a permit NOT A PERMIT. The address is National revenue Center Room 8002 Federal Office Building 550 Main Street, Cincinnati, Ohio 45202. I will try to find the phone number for you as soon as I can. I believe I left it at work. It also might be a good idea to get with Tony Ackland about the size of your still and the amount you want to produce. Good Luck, Ron Miller - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 3:48 PM Subject: [biofuel] Still start-up I am planning on starting up a small still [10 gal/day to start] for my own experimental fuel purposes. Could anyone supply me with the form number I need to get a small fuel ethanol distiller's license from the BATF? I will probably start work before I actually get the license but I do intend to be legal with what I do. My intentions: -- I will be starting a web page soon. I will provide a complete plan/description of everything I will produce enough ethanol to burn a 25% mix in my car, or convert my fuel system so it can run on at least 50%, while still being able to run on 100% gasoline I will use corn, as it is an agricultural area and corn is plentiful and inexpensive. I will burn corn or sawdust or as a last resort propane or natural gas or coal -- My needs: -- A definite place to locate the still [60% sure I can find a place soon] A BATF permit - a few months and I'll hopefully have it A good, working plan of a still that is the right size. Batches of 50 gallons are the intended volume of wash. Of course I always need more money, but I intend to build the still for as cheap as possible with used parts. Perhaps a market for ethanol that I don't use for personal fuel needs. A friend of mine wants to produce biodiesel for his vehicles - maybe he will want to try ethyl ester production instead of methyl ester. I talked to an old friend who owns a wood mill, he said he might let me put it 'out back' benefits: cheap electricity [industrial rate] - though I intend to not need any electricity easy access [close to home] free/nominal fee for land usage free/nominal fee for sawdust/chips [cellulose conversion for fermentation perhaps] Well I'm just rambling in a true sense of the word. Comments / help / _information_ GREATLY appreciated. I could use real fuel still plans [190+proof first pass] Thanks -Martin Klingensmith __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
I've been to the ATF page a dozen times and I don't see form 5110.74 if that's what I need :) Well the still will be located on commercial/industrial land afaik, if not then I suppose I won't be too legal.. the police aren't that nosy around here. But being legal is the way to get ahead without the risk of causing trouble for yourself. Red tape isn't a problem. As long as there aren't ridiculous limitations I'll be fine.. and I'll be glad to let everyone know how my experiment goes. -Martin Klingensmith --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol Please do keep the list informed on your progress, particularly in light of your desire to be totally legal. I understand your distillation operation cannot be located anywhere on a residential property (including yard, garage, shed, etc.) In addition you will be required to submit proof that your alcohol is stored in a properly secured (i.e., locked and theft-proof) facility, and you will need to make regular reports as to the quantity of alcohol you are distilling and proof that it is being used for non-beverage purposes. If it's not as hard as it appears red-tapewise, others may be encouraged by your success. I am planning on starting up a small still [10 gal/day to start] for my own experimental fuel purposes. Could anyone supply me with the form number I need to get a small fuel ethanol distiller's license from the BATF? I will probably start work before I actually get the license but I do intend to be legal with what I do. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
Steve, Does the federal permit over rule the state regulations. They (B.A.T.F.) told me to check with my state beverage control board about state laws. My state (Alabama) has stricter regulations than the Feds and they also charge an annual fee of $100.00. They have a statement in the state code that says it must be a continueous. What might this mean? Ron Miller - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 7:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up the exemption is that for on site use, the fuel does not have to be denatured. reporting is less stringent as well. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Palm Pilot Pages - http://www.webconx.com/palm X10 Home Automation - http://www.webconx.com/x10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. -- - Original Message - From: cpech [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up I believe there is an exemption for less than 10,000 gallons per year. If that applies to you, you might want to take advantage of it. Craig - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:43 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up Martin: Check out http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
US BATF Ethanol Permits was Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Still start-up
The text after my signature is taken directly off a US Dept. of the Treasury, BATF guide sheet for alcohol fuel plants. Alcohol fuel plants generally fall under small, medium and large. There are other formalities for Specially Denatured Spirits (SDS) users, alcohol fuel producers (small farm plants, etc.) and other alcohol use variations. Alcohol fuel producers start off with form 5110.74. But, as with all paperwork, getting the form is the simple part. Success in obtaining a permit includes other responsibilities, such as securing storage facilities to prevent unauthorized entry. Depending upon production capacity, this could be construed to include razor wire, security personnel, etc. BATF also secures the right to inspect facilities, records and reports during normal business hours, as well as acquisition of samples of products to ensure compliance with law and regulations. Just in case anyone wishes to know. Todd Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] DISTILLED SPIRITS PLANT - INDUSTRIAL INFORMATION This refers to your request for forms and information regarding the establishment of a plant to produce industrial alcohol. In order to establish such a plant, you must comply with all the requirements of Part 19, Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations as follows: 1) Register your plant on Form 5110.41 (see 27 CFR 19.151 and 19.152). 2) Make application on Form 5110.25 for an operating permit (see 19.157 and 19.158). 3) File bond on Form 5110.56 (see Subpart H of Part 19). No photocopies or faxed copies of this form, please! 4) File Form 5000.29, Environmental Information 5) File Form 5000.30, Supplemental Water Quality Considerations. 6) File Form 5000.9, Personnel Questionnaire, for each officer, director and stockholder owning ten percent or more of the voting stock of the corporation. 7) Furnish signature authority for each individual signing documents submitted to this Bureau. Either Form 5000.8, Power of Attorney, or Form 5100.1, Signing Authority for Corporate Officials, may be used for this purpose. However, in lieu of these forms, a resolution by the Board of Directors granting signature authorization may be submitted. 8) File application on Form 5100.16, to receive spirits by transfer in bond (see 19.506). An application is required for each distilled spirits plant transferring spirits. 9) If any trade names are to be used, submit evidence of State registration. .. http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/5000.htm#alcohol BTW, the form you want is 5110.74 Sec. 19.910 Application for permit required. Any person wishing to establish an alcohol fuel plant shall first make application for and obtain an alcohol fuel producer's permit. The application for a permit will be on Form 5110.74. The application, in duplicate, will be submitted to the regional director (compliance). The description of stills on the approved application constitutes registration of stills as required by 27 CFR 196.45. Alcohol fuel producers' permits are continuing unless automatically terminated under Sec. 19.920, suspended or revoked as provided in Sec. 19.950, or voluntarily surrendered. (Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1355, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5179); Sec. 232, Pub. L. 96-223, 94 Stat. 278 (26 U.S.C. 5181)) This was last updated on September 17, 1999. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
