RE: [svg-developers] Re: No Keyboard Events

[Chris Peto]

This brings up a good question.  When the user does highlight text, how can
we get that event (onfocusin?) and text that they have highlighted?

 

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To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Re: No Keyboard Events

 

  

The onfocusin event seems to fire (in IE 9) when one selects text (as when
highlighting text with a mouse while preparing to copy it). I don't see it
firing in FF 6 or Chrome 13, though.

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
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>
> I am very thankful for all the answers I have received. I still have not
received a full answer as to what the SVG event attributes "onfocusin" and
"onfocusout" are all about. I would love to see an example of these in
action.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
 , "dark3251"  wrote:
> >
> > Am I right to assume there are no keyboard events associated with SVG at
this time? I see nothing in the specifications although the confusing thing
to me is that I see events describing "focus" as if there were keyboard
events (e.g. onfocusin/out). Am I just misunderstanding the meaning of focus
here?
> >
>

 



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Re: [svg-developers] SVG Drawing Tool - Simplified

[Jeff Schiller]

if(user.indexOf("MSIE 9.0")==-1 && user.indexOf("MSIE 10.0")==-1)

um...

I'm not trying to pile on here, but I can't fathom why you would design this
application for one and only one browser.  To my count, you're serving 7% of
web users and leaving the other 48% (yes, almost half the web's users) out
in the cold.

I could understand if there was a specific technology only present in IE9
and not yet in Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera that you needed to use -
but is there?

You might also want to consider a 'build' step in which you compile all 61
of your JavaScript files into one massive JS to save on
requests/downloads/bandwidth.  I recommend the Closure compiler:
http://code.google.com/closure/compiler/

Jeff

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:08 PM, John Delacour  wrote:

> **
>
>
> At 21:14 + 15/09/2011, Francis Hemsher wrote:
>
> >...The application loads into IE9/10, and creates SVG drawings for
> >the HTML5 environment.
>
> What on earth is/are IE9/10? ;-> Should I have one?
>  
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[svg-developers] Re: No Keyboard Events

[random_transform]

The onfocusin event seems to fire (in IE 9) when one selects text (as when 
highlighting text with a mouse while preparing to copy it).  I don't see it 
firing in FF 6 or Chrome 13, though.

--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "dark3251"  wrote:
>
> I am very thankful for all the answers I have received. I still have not 
> received a full answer as to what the SVG event attributes "onfocusin" and 
> "onfocusout" are all about. I would love to see an example of these in action.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "dark3251"  wrote:
> >
> > Am I right to assume there are no keyboard events associated with SVG at 
> > this time? I see nothing in the specifications although the confusing thing 
> > to me is that I see events describing "focus" as if there were keyboard 
> > events (e.g. onfocusin/out). Am I just misunderstanding the meaning of 
> > focus here?
> >
>






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RE: [svg-developers] Funny error with getBBox() in Firefox

[David Dailey]

Thanks Björn, 

 

That tells me how to fix it, and now that you explain it, it sorta reminds
me that maybe someone already cited for me the lines in the spec that say

 

“don’t expect to measure anything that has only been defined but never
drawn”  --- (that sounds like how spec writers write doesn’t it? I kid.
Actually it sounds more like a Zen koan spoken by a very grumpy Zen master.)

 

Apologies to that someone if so – I am forgetful.

 

Is there such a dictum? If so, I think I’d rather fuss to the SVG WG than to
have to change my example, since it’s a lot more elegant to do it this way
than to draw the content out somewhere near negative infinity (assuming that
we’ll never scroll over there), or to draw it and then measure it and then
hide it just because someone read the spec more carefully than the others??

 

Well, phooey, my lesson is getting written a little more slowly than I had
hoped.

 

Regards and thanks again,

David 

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Funny error with getBBox() in Firefox

 

  

* David Dailey wrote:
>It works in Chrome, Safari, Opera, IE, ASV; not in FF. The error console
>gives what looks like a Bounding box error, but the thing I'm trying to
>measure is a path and it has a nontrivial (and proper) value for its d
>attribute, based on placing an alert just prior to the Bbox thing

The getBBox implementation in Firefox throws an exception when you call
it on elements that are not rendered by design for all I can tell, see

 
http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/svg/content/src/nsSVGG
raphicElement.cpp#98

You would have to find a way to hide the elements while making Firefox
think they are not hidden.
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RE: [svg-developers] Bug on refresh Pattern when drag&drop with EI9?

[David Dailey]

Hmmm. you've got me stumped. Obviously your function bouger() is not
bouging. There are lots of simpler drag and drop things that work in IE9,
but yours is going to be hard to track down since the code is complex. There
are some Microsoft folks who hang out here from time to time, as with the
other browsers, but for all of them, it seems reduction to simplest cases
that fail is usually best. Alas, for authors, the time to work on simplest
cases is just as rare as the implementers time to diagnose. 

 

My suspicion - the browser's image drag function (that seems to have the
sole purpose of contributory copyright infringement --- sort of like the
printscreen button) may be hijacking the mousemove.

 

This certainly happens with some browsers in HTML and given Microsoft's
attempt to make SVG a first class citizen in HTML5, that could be it.

 

One thing that would help is a little cheat sheet that tells developers
where to submit bugs for each of the various different browsers. I don't
like having to ask folks like Robert Longson or Erik Dahlstrom where to
submit bug reports, but I'm not devoted enough to any one browser to
remember. And for any one browser, it might be a half-hour research project
to figure out where to report an SVG bug - hint: don't trust the built in
things that say "report this web page as a bug" - I gather that is sort of
like when politicians say "please write us with your opinion on the issues".
Maybe it will be tabulated by some clerk if an election is nearing.

 

Good luck - and please  let us know what you find out

David

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:21 AM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Bug on refresh Pattern when drag&drop with EI9?

 

  

Hello svg developpers readers,

Working on a new functionnality, i found that IE9 doesn't refresh when I
drag&drop an image inside a pattern. 
I works in Firefox3+, Opera 11, Chrome, safari ...

Is someone from microsoft read this forum and can tell me how to report this
bug?

I try to force refresh during drag&drop without succes ... any idea to
workaround?

test bench here http://www.visualkit.com/bugsvg/dragdrop_pattern.htm

thanks all

Philippe





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Re: [svg-developers] Funny error with getBBox() in Firefox

[Bjoern Hoehrmann]

* David Dailey wrote:
>It works in Chrome, Safari, Opera, IE, ASV; not in FF. The error console
>gives what looks like a Bounding box error, but the thing I'm trying to
>measure is a path and it has a nontrivial (and proper) value for its d
>attribute, based on placing an alert just prior to the Bbox thing

The getBBox implementation in Firefox throws an exception when you call
it on elements that are not rendered by design for all I can tell, see

  
http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/svg/content/src/nsSVGGraphicElement.cpp#98

You would have to find a way to hide the elements while making Firefox
think they are not hidden.
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[svg-developers] Funny error with getBBox() in Firefox

[David Dailey]

http://granite.sru.edu/~ddailey/svg/B/BBox2.svg

 

It works in Chrome, Safari, Opera, IE, ASV; not in FF. The error console
gives what looks like a Bounding box error, but the thing I'm trying to
measure is a path and it has a nontrivial (and proper) value for its d
attribute, based on placing an alert just prior to the Bbox thing

 

If it were any browser other than FF that disagreed with all others, I would
blame the browser, but FF tends to have very little tolerance for my
oft-exhibited carelessness and a hefty respect for the letter of the spec. 

 

What have I done wrong?

 

Cheers

David

 

(BTW, the pretty stars attached as data to the above were generated in
http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/Draw018.html -- another of those
drawing things like svgedit and what Frances H. and Chris Peto worked on a
zillion years ago when svg was still running on fossil fuels. There are a
few things I like better about our thing than SVG Edit: randomness,
context-sensitivity, Bezier editing, curve smoothing, and stars. For the
last three I always use it. For random polygons --
http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/SVGOpen2010/Polygons/polygons8.ht
ml can't be beat at least not yet!)



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Re: [svg-developers] SVG Drawing Tool - Simplified

[John Delacour]

At 21:14 + 15/09/2011, Francis Hemsher wrote:

>...The application loads into IE9/10, and creates SVG drawings for 
>the HTML5 environment.

What on earth is/are IE9/10? ;->  Should I have one?




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Re: [svg-developers] SVG Drawing Tool - Simplified

[Cameron Laird]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 05:31:55PM -0400, Jacob Beard wrote:
.
.
.
> Just out of curiosity, in what way would you say that this project is "ahead
> of its time", compared to other projects such as Inkscape and svg-edit?
> 
> Jake
> 
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Francis Hemsher  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > A few years ago, I built an SVG drawing app that worked in a Cloud, and
> > created SVG symbols and symbol libraries. Alas, it was, and remains, abit
> > ahead of the times. Therefore, I've simplified it, and am calling it
> > SVGDiscovery_Lite.
> >
> > This creates basic SVG drawings whose source can be copy/pasted into your
> > project. The application loads into IE9/10, and creates SVG drawings for the
> > HTML5 environment.
> >
> > See: http://www.svgDiscovery.com/
.
.
.
I'll gratuitously speculate that Francis had in mind that
cloud-iness was ... less practical a few years ago.




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Re: [svg-developers] SVG Drawing Tool - Simplified

[Jacob Beard]

Just out of curiosity, in what way would you say that this project is "ahead
of its time", compared to other projects such as Inkscape and svg-edit?

Jake

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Francis Hemsher  wrote:

>
>
> A few years ago, I built an SVG drawing app that worked in a Cloud, and
> created SVG symbols and symbol libraries. Alas, it was, and remains, abit
> ahead of the times. Therefore, I've simplified it, and am calling it
> SVGDiscovery_Lite.
>
> This creates basic SVG drawings whose source can be copy/pasted into your
> project. The application loads into IE9/10, and creates SVG drawings for the
> HTML5 environment.
>
> See: http://www.svgDiscovery.com/
>
> Cheers,
> Francis
>
>  
>


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[svg-developers] SVG Drawing Tool - Simplified

[Francis Hemsher]

A few years ago, I built an SVG drawing app that worked in a Cloud, and created 
SVG symbols and symbol libraries. Alas, it was, and remains, abit ahead of the 
times. Therefore, I've simplified it, and am calling it SVGDiscovery_Lite. 

This creates basic SVG drawings whose source can be copy/pasted into your 
project. The application loads into IE9/10, and creates SVG drawings for the 
HTML5 environment.

See: http://www.svgDiscovery.com/

Cheers,
Francis





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[svg-developers] Bug on resized embeded svg with chrome and safari?

[philsvg]

Hello svg developpers readers,

I have an other annoying bug, this time is for safari and chrome. Opera 9.5 had 
this bug, and it is solved since 10.5.

is there someone in the safari and chrome developpement teams to solve these 
bugs?

test bench here : http://www.visualkit.com/bugsvg/resize_embed.htm

I'll go to report it but it is not the first time someone complain about this 
subject and it is still an issue ... and i really need to use pixel value and 
not % to re-size the embed tag.

Bonus for safari : the image seems to be croped according embed size change ... 
compare with http://www.visualkit.com/bugsvg/dragdrop_pattern.htm

Did i make something wrong?

Hope this help.

Philippe

  





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[svg-developers] Bug on refresh Pattern when drag&drop with EI9?

[philsvg]

Hello svg developpers readers,

Working on a new functionnality, i found that IE9 doesn't refresh when I 
drag&drop an image inside a pattern. 
I works in Firefox3+, Opera 11, Chrome, safari ...

Is someone from microsoft read this forum and can tell me how to report this 
bug?

I try to force refresh during drag&drop without succes ... any idea to 
workaround?

test bench here http://www.visualkit.com/bugsvg/dragdrop_pattern.htm

thanks all

Philippe


 





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[svg-developers] Re: No Keyboard Events

[dark3251]

I am very thankful for all the answers I have received. I still have not 
received a full answer as to what the SVG event attributes "onfocusin" and 
"onfocusout" are all about. I would love to see an example of these in action.

Thanks

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> Am I right to assume there are no keyboard events associated with SVG at this 
> time? I see nothing in the specifications although the confusing thing to me 
> is that I see events describing "focus" as if there were keyboard events 
> (e.g. onfocusin/out). Am I just misunderstanding the meaning of focus here?
>






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RE: [svg-developers] Re: IE9 and Quirks

[Chris Peto]

Well, that got it away from Quirks, but now it says IE7 Standard

 

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would do I think

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[svg-developers] Re: IE9 and Quirks

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would do I think

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RE: [svg-developers] Re: IE9 and Quirks

[Chris Peto]

What should the DOCTYPE look like?

 

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Hi,

I think IE9 demands that you use a standards based DOCTYPE in the html in
order for iframe, object, embed etc to support SVG content.

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[svg-developers] Re: IE9 and Quirks

[Robert Longson]

Hi,

I think IE9 demands that you use a standards based DOCTYPE in the html in order 
for iframe, object, embed etc to support SVG content.

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RE: [svg-developers] IE9 and Quirks

[Chris Peto]

I don't uses DOCTYPE, and it is an html with iframe svg.

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On Behalf Of Jeff Schiller
Sent: Donnerstag, 15. September 2011 04:51
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Subject: Re: [svg-developers] IE9 and Quirks

Can you explain how you're serving your document, what kind it is and what
DOCTYPE you're including?


On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Chris Peto
wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't understand why IE9 goes to IE 9 Quirks mode, instead of IE9
> standard, since svg is implemeted!?
>
> I have to go to F12 then IE9 standard.
>
> Can anyone explain that or tell me how to get it to go normal IE?
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Regards
>
> Chris Peto
>
> Freelance System Development, Resource Solutions
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