RE: [svg-developers] Why does pluginspage not work in IE?
Most browsers uses Netscape Plugins, and the "pluginspage" argument is part of the EMBED tag which invokes them. Later Microsoft added ActiveX to their browser, invoked via the OBJECT tag. Later the W3C chose OBJECT for HTML 4, but it had a little different syntax than the existing Microsoft version, and there wasn't a clear migration path for existing browsers or web content. If you use Microsoft's original OBJECT syntax, then IE will know where to get the corresponding ActiveX Control. jd/adobe -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Frank Bruder Sent: Sun 1/6/2008 2:29 PM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] Why does pluginspage not work in IE? Hello everyone, my sister just pointed me to a problem with the SVG embedding on my website. My code looks like this: I've had problems myself with testing it in MSIE when using the object tag, so I switched to this solution with conditional comments. Now, my sister used MSIE. So the object tag is ignored, the embed tag is interpreted. She does not have ASV installed. So I would expect the browser to offer opening the site referenced in the pluginspage attribute. But it didn't. It just showed a frame and this litte place-holder image to mark the area where the SVG is meant to be. Even clicking that area did not reveal the option of installing a plugin. I then tried it at my own PC with a fancy content type and my own website for pluginspage, and the result was the same. I don't see anything in my security settings which looks like it could cause this. And I don't think my sister even made any changes from the default settings. Am I missing something here? Is this not supposed to work the way I thought? I've got IE version 6 installed my sister used version 7. Does someone know what's wrong here? If I can't make this work it's got influence on how I'll need to embed SVG documents to account for IE users. From what I've read the above seems to be the recommended way. So it would be quite a drawback if that doesn't work. I suppose about everyone on this list who has MSIE installed also has ASV. But you can try a fancy content type to see what IE makes of it. Even if this is an erroneous behavior I'd like to know how common it is. Bye Frank - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Adobe SVG Plug in for Solaris 8?
Michael Beggs wrote: > When I install it and run it, exactly as described in the > readme, Mozilla dies immediately with a "bus error." Firefox does not > die, but throws an error message telling me that it is missing > "libgtksuperwin.so." I googled that library, and saw lots of info, > but nothing specific enough to tell me why it needed to be installed. I'm not familiar with that distribution, but it sounds like the SVG engine requires that library. I'm not sure of the reason that library is required. (In case you're trying to get up and running, then is anything preventing you from installing that external support?) jd/adobe -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of michaelbeggs50 Sent: Wed 12/12/2007 6:59 AM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] Adobe SVG Plug in for Solaris 8? Does anyone have experience with Adobe (or any) SVG plug-in for Solaris 8? When I install it and run it, exactly as described in the readme, Mozilla dies immediately with a "bus error." Firefox does not die, but throws an error message telling me that it is missing "libgtksuperwin.so." I googled that library, and saw lots of info, but nothing specific enough to tell me why it needed to be installed. Any pointers? Thanks in advance, Michael - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Good pointer to a compatibility FAQ/Discussion?
pork_u_pine2000 wrote: > Aside from the archives of this list, can anyone suggest one or more > good discussions or FAQ's that cover the current state of > compatibility between and among the various rendering environments > commonly used to display SVG? The W3C has a testing harness, and it seems like anyone can automatically contribute further results. Links to various entrypoints here: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2007/11/w3c_mobile_test.cfm jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download
Guy Morton wrote: > Re: the suggestion that Adobe will build support for SVG into the > Flash plugin, that's a tantalising prospect, but I can't see it > happening in our lifetimes. Why would Adobe not have announced that > intention before now, if that was their plan? Why would they do it? I haven't seen any announcements either. Player size still undergoes vigorous internal debate, though. But you do know it has been possible, for quite some time, to render core SVG instructions on the majority of desktops today, right? http://deng.com.br/features/ If you wish to improve the rendering instructions, then you can do so... it's an opensource SWF which contains the SVG code: http://deng.com.br/support/ (Trivia point: The Macromedia Flash Lite 1.1+ libraries for mobile have the option for an SVG-Tiny compliant rendering engine, but I do not know of any manufacturers who have deployed that option.) Summary: There's already a cross-platform, cross-browser engine deployed to the world's desktops today, which has the capability to render SVG content. We just need to turn that capability into practice, that's all jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVGs, JavaScript and Adobe Illustrator CS2 and SVG RoboHelp Question
Jim wrote: > When I roll the mouse over the SVG, I get "Click to activate and use > this control" (using IE7 with ASV 3.0). > Does anyone know why this is the case? Why can't I just rollover the > SVG? Is there a way to correct this issue? As other folks noted, this "click to activate" behavior is associated with changes Microsoft felt it had to make in regards to a legal issue. It only occurs if the OBJECT, EMBED, or APPLET tag is in the HTML file itself. If you instead document.write() your tags into the HTML from an external .JS file then this behavior is not triggered. More detail: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/activecontent/ jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Internet Explorer users without plugin
Nazar wrote:
> I need to display download page with link to svg plugin if it is not
> installed...
> However Internet Explorer displays missing image screen.
Microsoft Internet Explorer usually uses ActiveX Controls as the browser
extension mechanism, and this browser reads the CODEBASE attribute in
the OBJECT tag to learn where to locate any missing Control.
In some of the markup you display you have the CODEBASE, but it looks
like the browser may be receiving ASP or other serverside instructions
("width='${diagramWidth}'" etc). I'm not sure what the Microsoft
browsers would do if they see such an example.
The OBJECT tag is funny... it was introduced by Microsoft, and the W3C
changed its definition slightly when it outlawed EMBED tags in the HTML
4.0 spec... in the examples you cite I don't see the PARAM which holds
the path to the file you'll be displaying... if memory serves, it was
the W3C ideal implementation which specified the DATA attribute, but the
actual realworld implementation by that time was to hold this info in a
parameter to the OBJECT tag... might be the cause, might not, but that
caught my eye.
jd
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: COALITION - (WAS: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer)
Doug Schepers wrote: > Guy Morton wrote: >>Yeah, but it's not too professional-looking to have to give a list of >>"abandoned" websites that happen to host the plugin and hope that joe >>public will trust that any software thus downloaded isn't riddled >>with virii and worms. who's going to guarantee that it isn't? You? > > I think you hit the nail on the head... > It is not the question of availability of a viewer, it is a question of > the legitimacy and perception of viability of the viewer. For what it's worth, I agree strongly with you on this as well. Getting people to install OS-native code on their own machines is difficult, both for trust issues and for installation costs. Getting your own native code deployed on the world's desktops is not easy. That's why I care so much about the "render SVG in Flash Player" approach developed by Claus Wahlers and friends: http://wahlers.com.br/claus/blog/display-svg-in-97-of-all-web-browsers/ Instead of asking millions of people to install a renderer, this approach uses a renderer already installed on their machines (Adobe Flash Player), and sends SVG-rendering instructions as ECMAScript in a SWF file, which then calls and renders the SVG XML instructions themselves. The nice thing is that the rendering instructions can then be open for editing by each content developer -- the deployed Player remains a general media/interactivity engine, but you can change what it does when it encounters a particular SVG tag, remove or enhance parts of the rendering instructions as you see fit, etc. This would not conflict with the choice of other content developers, because the ECMAScript instructions are separate from the rendering engine itself. For instance, the DENG engine Claus uses here is a 75kb SWF file, whose scripting instructions render a wide range of protocols. There would be some tasks that such an approach would not accomplish, but there are many which it *can* accomplish. If you see particularly difficult sticking-points with this "SVG engine as document" approach then I'd like to understand them well enough to be able to evangelize them internally here at Adobe, thanks. (Disclaimers: I have no particular insight into Adobe's recent ASV announcement -- I learned of it on this list too. I also like and respect people on this list (even though I get beat up sometimes ;-) because folks here *care* about improving the web-browsing experience... our goals have been the same, even though the means may have differed.) jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML
Geoffrey Swenson wrote: > Why should I pay almost $1000 for Flash and its tedious, > user-hostile graphic editor, the non-intuitive and overly animation-focused > timeline editor, when the same $1000 buys me the MSDN library including XAML > that was designed from the ground up to be a programmable graphical > environment? For what it's worth, you can create high-performance SWF for free, within an XML development environment, with Adobe Flex 2: http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/ http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mesh/archives/2006/03/flex_is_free.html (The optional Eclipse-based IDE with visualization, Flex Builder, is available for half the price you cite... currently Windows-only, but Adobe is contributing to the Eclipse project to make the Mac version more stable, and these Eclipse changes may make other development platforms possible as well. There is also an optional Flex Data Services* for persistent connection and data synchronization, whether across sessions or across computers, which is free for small-scale use, but per-CPU for larger-scale work. The framework, documentation and compiler, however, all offer a zero-cost way to make data-fed interactive graphics for the web today.) * http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/productinfo/faq/#item-25 For deployment, I have absolutely no idea when Vista-style XAML or its XP/other subsets will be widely adopted on consumer machines, but I do know that Flash Player 8 has reached 90+% consumer viewability within its first twelve months, and that Flash Player 9 (the minimum runtime for Flex 2 work) is being successfully installed at an even greater rate. (ie, it's easy to choose your own authoring environment; harder to have your work perform predictability on the world's varied machines... for practical deployment it's no-contest.) For the news about Adobe SVG Viewer, I first learned of it here on the mailing list myself, and am summarizing and highlighting posts here and on the web for other staffers. Your words will be heard. jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WktRrD/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~-> - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] ASV on Intel Macs
Antoine Quint wrote: > Of course, I really hope Adobe would actually compile an Intel or > Universal Binary version of ASV for Intel Macs. I haven't heard any word yet on Adobe's future SVG work (I've been asking!), but do know the overall shape of Adobe code on the new Macintosh hardware. The larger codebases require a port of the development environment before the code itself can be ported, and so is being done on the next full version rather than a short-term interim updater: http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/03/macintosh_and_t.html Some of the newer apps could be written in MacTel environments from the start: http://labs.macromedia.com/technologies/lightroom/ Flash Player is available in a preview version (better than what Apple distributed), but also won't go final in the new hardware until the next full version: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/emmy/archives/2006/03/flash_player_8.cfm jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] RIAs techno winners - was Re: SVG dying?
Ronan Oger wrote:
> Apparently, 1/4 of mobile phone users now use the web with their device.
One thing that bothered me about that IPSOS study, before the newer
round of publicity on it, was that it confused the World Wide Web with
the network of interconnectivity itself. ("WWW browsers" do not describe
the total use of the net.)
More here, if it's of interest:
http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2006/04/mobile_vs_deskt.cfm
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Re: [svg-developers] Re: IE7 Beta 2 has an SVG Embed Problem
Francis Hemsher wrote: > I think you left out the most germane part of my statement... > "This was not a problem in IE5.5, IE6, or your previous IE7 Beta > issue" Yes, Microsoft just introduced this change on March 1, for IE6 installations and the new IE7 beta... contemporaneous reporting here: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2006/03/ie_activex_chan.cfm The behavior of extensions in that browser did indeed change only very recently. jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] IE7 Beta 2 has an SVG Embed Problem
Francis Hemsher wrote: > IE7 Beta 2 Preview(3/20/2006) does not initially focus on the events > contained within an SVG document included in an embed. > It provides its own statement, via an onMouseOver popup display: "click > to activate and use this control". That is true. It is not just SVG, but any browser extension which has its OBJECT, EMBED, or APPLET tags contained within the hosting HTML page. Much more info on user experience and development strategies here: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent > I've made MS aware of the above. If anyone else is looking at > IE7, the EMBED and SVG, you should run it and let them know > of your needs. They already know, believe me, they already know ;-) The new behavior also occurs in users of the regular IE6 who have found the list of download options in Windows Update and chosen to install the similar change for IE6. I expect that, in absence of further legal news, that this browser change will be mainlined into a future IE6 update. Other browsers are also vulnerable to the same legal concerns, although I have not heard of any patent news against other browsermakers... Microsoft has the biggest pockets, and was first to be approached. What to do? The easiest seems to be to use an external .JS file to dynamically write your OBJECT, EMBED or APPLET tags into the page. Examples are at the above Macromedia Active Content Center. jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: ActionScript 3.0 announced today
gnylarichard wrote: > How long has flash been around? 10 years, maybe more so why isnt the > web 90% flash driven? Because it would be folly to use Flash on tasks for which HTML is more appropriate. Chuck wrote: > I like to keep an open mind but I do not think SVG will ever be > practicle for commercial high-performance RIA's. SVG is a specification... the step beyond that is an implementation... the step beyond that is getting consumers to install it on their own machines. "SVG" can't do RIAs, even though SVG technology might conceivably be used in the execution of a particular RIA. The term "Rich Internet Application" was, of course, developed by Macromedia 4-5 years ago to describe some of the new work then being done on Flash Platform, even though it has been co-opted recently by those marketing browser text-refreshes under the "Ajax" moniker. (btw, ActionScript 3 has been in public alpha since the turn of the year, and it was this week that Flex2/AS3 entered its second round of public beta, scheduled for ship in June of this year.) (And while I'm posting, I wish I had news on the new Adobe's plans for using SVG technology in the whole platform, but I've seen less roadmap guidance than I had hoped for at this point... lots of guidance on isolated areas like Fireworks and video/Flash integration and more, but not much on Apollo, not much on SVG... still have to wait a bit for the big picture on the next generation of work, I'm sorry to say. I'm hoping there's a way to leverage your SVG skills in this area but don't have good projections yet myself.) gnylarichard wrote: > What i find funny is that when xaml comes out it will strengthen svg > and xaml for both microsoft and SVG and leave the 14yr olds to move > circles and text around with the words "look how cool this is" in > flash I was one of the actual paying attendees at Microsoft's MIX event this week, where they launched new details about what may be possible in XAML and Vista sometime next year. I've still got some sets of notes to post, but there's already a bunch up at my weblog, which you may find of interest. I'd urge you not to take my reports at face value, of course, but to corroborate these accounts with the impressions blogged by others who saw first-hand the Microsoft demos, and the audience response. http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Adobe/Macromedia
Antoine Quint wrote: > Another thing that it doesn't mention is whether the offering will be > maintained (ie. support in future Illustrator and GoLive versions) or > expanded (ie. support within Flash or another dynamic content > authoring tool). These are the type of things I would really like to > know :) I'll get that logged, thanks. I know there's a session on fiscal outlook on Dec15, and a strategic outlook Jan31, but those are the only dates I've seen yet, and I'm not sure whether either will offer details on feature sets of upcoming versions of existing tools. (Runtimes and creation tools may be on different schedules of disclosure here, not sure.) I'll work towards getting such guidance as soon as possible, though... knowing plans for both the runtime and the authoring-time capabilities helps everyone in planning. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> AIDS in India: A "lurking bomb." Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/9QUssC/lzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~-> - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Predictive graphics pipeline
John wrote: > Does SVG support predictive graphics pipelining? > http://trunks.secondfoundation.org/files/psychic.swf When I read "predictive graphics pipelining" I thought we were talking about loading the graphics the audience will want before they commit to wanting them, but... uh for the example you cited I believe you could do this in HTML too ;-) jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/I258zB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~-> - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] MAX2005: Some Flash stuff ...and something about the Ele...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The link didn't have much meat about why the Macromedia CEO isn't scared of > Sparkle, I note. I wonder if he had a solid-fronted podium so that the > audience couldn't see his knees knocking? :) People were actually walking around on the stage, no podium. ;-) (I haven't seen much of a company stance on Sparkle or other announcements... we can see technology previews, and these have some good principles (vectors, network requests, visuals enhancing accessibility, etc), but until it's finalized and shipping things can change. Then after that there's the audience and their needs to consider...!) Ronan Oger wrote: > Well, it was a keynote. The future is great. Everything is fine. > I agree, there was not much meat. Maybe the keynote transcript > is published somewhere with more...? If so, I am sure our MM > friends will happily pass it on to us. Here's the most rigorous in-house reporting: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/max2005/ And lots more informal reporting from various participants: http://snipurl.com/max_smartcategory (redirects to the MXNA aggregator & its "MAX" ad-hoc category) I haven't seen text or video transcripts yet. I've scanned the various news articles (including the one which started this thread), but these are often as much about the reporter as about the event. > I wonder increasingly if our little world won't realign itself > from SVG vs MM to SVG + MM vs WMF. I don't have much info here, but my current personal expectation is that, some time after the Adobe deal closes, there will be some type of technology roadmap. I haven't seen much aversion to SVG at Macromedia, although this has often gotten mixed with reaction to the "boo SWF bad!" types of campaigns. Things seem open to me. Doug Schepers wrote: > Perhaps it's optimistic of me, but I keep thinking that one > of the goals of SVG was to be a vector-graphics interchange > format. Not a Flash-killer, not a Sparkle-desparkler, but > as an open-standard shared medium that IDEs for each could > export to. > Sure, there are features that are specific to each of SVG, > XAML-stuff, and Flash, but there's also got to be a good > bit of common ground. I'm hoping that SVG flourishes in > that common ground. This sounds good to me too, thanks for writing that, Doug. :) Jerrold Maddox wrote: > My view has been that SVGs potential is not as a Flash killer, > but a way to create documents that get the best out of XHTML, > PDF and Flash - a very effective way to present information > efficiently, appropriately and gracefully, which none of > these three formats do now. I'm with you on this, too. That mention of PDF is important -- I'd suspect that this format, runtime, and ecology will be quite important in any future roadmaps. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~-> - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SMIL vs scripting was [ Need help with animation]
ddailey wrote: > ...sometimes JavaScript window.setTimeout()... responds faster, and with less > jerkiness, than the corresponding SMIL animation. The latter is, however, > usually preferable in terms of the complexity of the code, but why might > the timing appear screwy with SMIL? SMIL is just a specification -- abstract. We can see it when it is rendered by a particular engine. (The question "why might the timing appear screwy with SMIL?" sounds strange to me, but questions about the Real implementation, or some other implementation, might be able to be answered. Even then it helps to look at multiple files on multiple machines, in order to get beyond the particulars to the general.) jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~-> - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] use illustrator files in non Adobe applications
Paul wrote: > does anybody have experience with using adobe illustrator files in > Msoft or serif applications. The .AI format had been used as a vector exchange format since the mid-90s. But the format was designed as an authoring format rather than as an exchange format, so features sometimes changed dramatically version-to-version. If you need to export from Illustrator, try saving in the oldest .AI version available to you, which will increase the odds that other apps could read it. Otherwise, look into exporting as .EPS or .PDF, which share many similarities with many of the .AI formats. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h3u1bci/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1124237157/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org ">Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy. ~-> - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Detecting SVG Viewer 6 on Firefox
Renato Salas wrote: > Does anybody knows how to detect the presence of the Adobe SVG Viewer 6 > on Firefox?. I've been checking if these mimetypes are available: The MIME types check lets you know which media types can be handled by the browser, whether natively or through extensions. But the navigator.plugins array will tell your JavaScript which specific plugins are installed, and this will let you check whether a specific brand of SVG-rendering plugin is installed in that browser. (A web search term like "netscape plugin array firefox" will turn up examples of such JavaScript handlings.) jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hkh3204/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1124223756/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org ">Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy. ~-> - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] possible customer for specialized CAD or DXF to SVG
steltenpower wrote: > This company uses DXF > to PDF conversion to get the result in an even more mainstream format. > However the files created in this way are really BIG Yes, DXF can vary quite a bit, especially if you start with higher-order geometry (curves, turned into varying polygons for DXF). There's 2D & 3D DXF, overlays, varying degrees of precision, lots of stuff that could make a lot of difference in the final filesize. Have you been examining their process, and their audience, or is the goal more to move the data into a favored format...? jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Adobe SVG Viewer Plugin in Linux
pjfjacks wrote: > Trying to install the Adobe SVG Viewer plugin in Ubuntu Linux tried first > with Mozilla - Mozilla reports that there are plugins now available for SVG > viewing in the "help/about plugins" but when I go to the Adobe SVG site and > try to view an example I get a popup stating that the page can only be > viewed with the appropriate plugin. Do you know what the actual error message was, and have you tested the SVG content on other sites in that browser? (Reason I ask is to rule out that it's a JavaScript-detection message from the website; to safely focus on the configuration rather than that particular content... researching plugins at the Mozilla (?) Ubuntu resources might be another step if we can rule out a site-specific symptom.) jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG vs XAML?
tbone58x wrote: > The little that I know about XAML is that it is very similar in nature > to SVG and will be used in conjunction with something called Avalon. > Can someone help me better understand XAML and Avalon and what it all > means in terms of SVG's future? Please beware -- just because two different computer initiatives use a similar type of technology (in this case, graphics described via XML), doesn't mean that they're both aimed at similar goals for similar audiences. Microsoft's upcoming operating system can describe screen graphics by curves as well as bitmaps, and interfaces can be described in XML. These are both reasonable things for them to add for audiences of their new operating system -- matter of fact, it would be strange if these *weren't* available on systems being designed today. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG catalogue on the net??
alwinovicz wrote: > Does anybody know where I can find something like a catalogue > of SVG applications, which gives some kind of representative overview > about what's possible with SVG? One way is through using the search engines... my memory is that the following term works in both Google and Yahoo, although the latter seems to be returning just text entries at the moment Search term: filetype:svg -poiupoiu (The "filetype" argument tells the engine which filename extensions to return, while the "-poiupoiu" is just an arbitrary piece of text which (with "-") should not be in any of the returned results, and is necessary as a dummy text term in some types of searches. More info is available in each search vendor's "advanced operators" or "advanced tips" help pages.) jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] svg/flash
Ronan Oger wrote: > The Adobe purchase of Macromedia is still pending SEC authorization, and this > is not expected for some months. Because of this, the two companies are > acting alone and not cooperating as one yet because the deal cannot be > finalized until the SEC signs off on it. The effective merger is not planned > until the end of the year. > > What I think this means is that the SVG/Flash format discussions and rumours > will persist for another six months at least, and we can not expect any > fundamental changes by either party when it comes to formats for at least > that long. This jibes with my understanding too. There are certain types of things the companies can discuss together now (I think issues like how many people are in which groups in which areas, what types of accounting and internal structures each company uses, non-competitive stuff like that) but Adobe and Macromedia cannot discuss product issues together at this time. The regulatory penalties for such prohibited conversations are significant. The most relevant information I currently know of on this subject is here: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/adobe_macromedia/faq/#section-4 jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] The Guardian's Take on Flash and SVG
Antoine Quint wrote: > Obviously this article is speculative, but I think the writer is spot > on when he makes the difference between "Flash the ecosystem" and the > Flash SWF format, which could be replaced by SVG Tiny without major > changes to the many users of the Flash ecosystem. I don't see a way that someone could persuade themselves that SVG-Tiny duplicates the range of SWF functionality...? Rick Bullotta wrote: > Good stuff, Antoine. Let's hope it is true...question is, why isn't > this type of information "front and center" on Adobe's market > positioning? Either they need a new marketing team or there's more to > the story... I have not seen any citation of any such Adobe source statement. All we see is an anonymously-written article in The Guardian, citing unnamed Adobe staffers, in the following line: "Adobe staff at Code Camp, Orange's recent developer conference, spoke about moving the mobile version of Flash to the mobile-friendly version of SVG, called SVG-t." Web searches on terms like "'code camp' orange adobe flash svg" do not turn up meaningful results. So far, this may be an accurate rumor of what someone said somewhere, but the pattern of citation suggests that it is not. A follow-up source citation would be useful for any further discussion, agreed...? jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Flex & SVG
Richard Gnyla wrote: > I also have not seen any demos with SVG in flex (apparently it supports SVG) > Please forward any examples of SVG in Flex Yes, the Macromedia Flex server can read in many SVG documents when it is creating a page for delivery: http://livedocs.macromedia.com/flex/15/flex_docs_en/0432.htm But I also don't recall anyone who has happened to use this feature. (There is also the runtime ability of the Macromedia Flash Player to request an SVG description while on the client machine and then render it... Claus Wahlers has done some more work in this area recently: http://wahlers.com.br/claus/blog/display-svg-in-97-of-all-web-browsers/ ) jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Flex & SVG
Richard Gnyla wrote: > Yeh I heard on the forums that users are saying Flex may die as not much > interest due to the pricing structure, only blue chip clients can afford Whoops, if I said something like that here, there'd be fireworks you betcha ;-) Macromedia Flex has actually been a phenomenal success over its first year, as you can confirm by checking the "Flex" section of Macromedia's quarterly financial Breeze presentation (slides 30 on): http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/ir/macr/web_pres/earnings/q405/ jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] plugin detection in macintosh?
higorion wrote: > on my page, before entering svg content, i am checking > for the installation status of the adobe svg plugin. I understand, that in this case you need the capabilities of a particular SVG renderer. (This is a slightly different problem than the general browser-capabilities problem.) > there's only one problem left to complete my goal: plugin > detection an a macintosh computer. can somebody tell me > how to find out whether adobe svg viewer is installed > on a macintosh client? It's not so dependent on the operating system as it's dependent on the various browsers on that operating system, and whether each reveals to JavaScript its current set of extensions and capabilities. There are various plugin-detection scripts and routines out there, but I've never been really happy with any of them, because you always have to balance how many specific situations you'll detect against the total script size. (A complete routine would test for plugin presence, plugin version, any of various third-party plugin blockers (in any of various browsers!), handle cases where JavaScript is not enabled, provide some way for updates, more.) The most foolproof way still seems to be the auto-refresh way, developed for Shockwave back in Netscape 2.0 days: a simple plugin file requests a page-redirect to the main plugin content, and the HTML's head requests a page-redirect a little later to a support page -- if the plugin can initiate you'll see the plugin content and if it can't you'll see the support content. These days you'd probably want to add a version-detection in your plugin content before branching to the main content, if your desired plugin offers this. But a simpler way, and the one I'd recommend overall, would be to just show your plugin content, and have a "Can't see the image?" link beneath it on the page. This also avoids all the JavaScript case-testing too. Richard Gnyla wrote: > Well flash has a detection why not SVG? It's not the plugin so much as the particular browser. Most browsers offer a plugin array to JavaScript. IE/Win used system-level ActiveX Controls instead of Netscape Plugins, and most of these can be tested by using VBScript to create an automation object of the control (createObject()). But then you've got versioning to handle too, as well as rarer problems such as intranets stripping out all OBJECT tags before delivery to the browser, etc. If you do a web search on "javascript flash detection" then you'll find plenty of entries which can usually be applied to other plugins. But I'm not really sold on JavaScript for anything but the most nominal testing... letting the visitor test whether they can see it, and then offering a good support page if they can't, that seems to be a lot cleaner overall. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] focus to SVG
Christoph Gaisbauer wrote: > to call a function within my svg I use the keypress event. > That works fine, as long as the svg has focus. > I could manage to set the focus to my svg with: > document.embeds["mysvg"].focus(); > This will run in IE, but not in FireFox. > Is there a way to set the focus to an embed in FF? This is a hard task for all extended browser content... we haven't seen a standard way to handle focus evolve across all browsers, much less be congruently implemented in all legacy browsers yet. The most frequent solution I've seen is to set up the initial display of plugin content so that it obviously requires a click to start -- a "Start" button, some typing, whatever -- anything to have the visitor actually click in the plugin rendering area. This gives the plugin reliable focus across viewing environments. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] insert SVG transparent into (X)HTML
timoy1free wrote: > does anybody know if there is a way to set an attribute in the > tag to include an SVG transparent into an XHTML page. > When I use the tag I've got the possibility to set the > attribute "wmode" to "transparent". That "wmode" attribute is used to specify that plugin content be sent to the browser for compositing, instead of being drawn directly to screen. Such browser composition allows for transparent backgrounds and layering with HTML elements, but as Phillippe points out, there is a performance cost to this extra rendering step. For "Where does 'wmode' work?" then there are two dependencies: (a) whether the current browser offers this ability to plugins; and (b) whether that plugin offers this ability in that browser. For OBJECT/EMBED, EMBED was used first, then Microsoft used OBJECT, and a few years later the W3C declared that EMBED was improper. When you're researching whether a particular browser offers WMODE support, then it's good to doublecheck which tags they used during this testing...! jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] how to find a svg map ...?
jilusan wrote: > i was just wondering where to find svg map > for a particular region, for instance in france... I see three results on the following search term at Google: map france filetype:svg > can we get it free ? This may depend on what "get it" means. I suspect that the above examples are for free use by the web-browsing public. If you'd like to reuse or modify their work on your own site, then contacting the owners of each project would likely be the fastest way to proceed. If you'd prefer to just get a vector outline, then much may depend on what range and detail of map you're seeking. These two DMOZ directories may provide resources: http://directory.google.com/Top/Reference/Maps/Libraries?tc=1/ http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Graphics/Web/Free/ jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Macromedia SVGT in Flash Lite 1.1
Yoshihiko Matsumoto wrote: > Where can I get Macromedia SVG-T Flash Li[t]e 1.1 to test our application? That particular SVG-Tiny renderer is a feature which device manufacturers and service providers can choose to add to their Macromedia Flash Lite licensed installations. I would still defer to individual licensees (KDDI, DoCoMo, Samsung, Nokia, T-Mobile and the rest), because such SVG-Tiny support is their item to announce, not mine. > Why doesn't Macromedia allow download SVG-T component anywhere on > worldwide? For computers it makes sense to have individual downloads. For mobiles it makes more sense to bake the abilities into the phones, so that everyday consumers don't have to worry about how to install new things in their new devices. The Macromedia Flash Lite libraries were recently made available, at nominal cost, for developers who own a phone which later bundled Flash Lite capabilities. But even with these main libraries, the distribution path will focus more on bundling than on downloads. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Macromedia SVGT in Flash Lie 1.1
Doug Schepers wrote: > But you didn't address my other > question, about the idea of including SVG support by default. Could you > speak about the feasibility of this? What would it take for Macromedia > to > support SVG-Tiny by default? I drafted a reply, but then noticed there was just a stream of different questions, some of which were answered already. The risk of a rephrase is that certain of the more, ah, volatile posters to this list would then have an opportunity for a new Tourette's episode. I'm assuming your top question is the main one. If so, then I don't know "the feasability", I don't sit in the marketing meetings, and I don't see exact costs (from various parties' perspectives) listed on the website. Right now I do know that there's a lot of Flash Lite shipping, and that manufacturers have the option to include conformant SVG-T rendering (at cost of some memory), but these manufacturers and carriers don't seem to advertise such SVG on their own sites. I don't know the "why" of each such decision. I'm still not sure what Yoshi was really trying to do, either. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Macromedia SVGT in Flash Lie 1.1
Doug Schepers wrote: > But I wonder why people aren't going for the SVG libs? John, can > you tell us if you charge more for SVG capability? How about the > size of the libs compared to the overall size of the viewer? Sorry, I don't have that information. Particularly on the pricing angle, details would likely depend on the individual manufacturing deal. For filesize I'd suspect it would be about the same size as the other SVG rendering schemes in SWF, but I haven't downloaded and compared to get the exact difference. Yoshihiko Matsumoto wrote: > If we pay $10 to download Flash Lite 1.1 from Macromedia direct link > is SVG-T engine included? If not, can you give us SVG-T engine after > we pay $10 for Flash Lite 1.1? I don't think it's part of that download, but I haven't had the free time to personally check it. Those pages do have a feedback link, though, if you don't immediately see what you'd like. (But note that those links are more useful for developers than for consumers, in case you purchased an early version of a phone before its software was bundled in.) jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Macromedia SVGT in Flash Lie 1.1
Dean Jackson wrote: > On 25 Mar 2005, at 10:09, John Dowdell wrote: > > Antoine Quint wrote: > > > [snip] Dean, Yoshi is trying to view SVG-Tiny content on mobiles in Japan. Do you have any info which can help him? (I think he's focusing on the FlashLite rendering of SVG-T files just because Flash phones are so prevalent there.) > Maybe Macromedia should offer its SVG-Tiny rendering tool > stand-alone (without Flash Lite). I don't know how the price of > Flash Lite with SVG compares to the many conformant SVG-Tiny > implementations, but surely leaving out the Flash Lite component > would make it cheaper. ?? Rendering SVG-Tiny XML is just an ability of the general-purpose Macromedia Flash Lite libraries. Manufacturers are buying lots of FlashLite libraries, but few are apparently choosing (or announcing) that extra SVG ability atop these libraries. (In Europe SVG was forced via 3GPP, but I haven't seen as much interest in Asia, but my knowledge is not complete.) Your suggestion, above, seems impossible to implement... like saying "I like the seats in this automobile, but can we ditch the engine?" Do you know of much popular work in Japan with SVG-Tiny? DoCoMo, KDDI, any other service providers which recommend such content? That still sounds like the information Yoshi needs. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Macromedia SVGT in Flash Lie 1.1
Antoine Quint wrote: > John, take it from me, there is not a single phone in this world that > ships with Flash Lite with SVGT parts. Hmm, so are you actually saying that, with all these companies licensing and bundling the Macromedia Flash Lite libraries in north Asia, that *none* of them find enough value to include its conformant SVG-Tiny rendering too!? That seems sort of strange. ... hmm, but hold it, you didn't cite source info, just a "take it from me" assurance, so I guess I'm unable to meaningfully evaluate the veracity of that claim. I did get word back from Troy Evans of the Flash Lite team, and he informed me that Macromedia is under NDA on what other companies choose to ship on their phones. If a manufacturer or carrier does not say on their site whether they want to use the SVG-T bits in their FlashLite license, then I couldn't say it for them (even if I did know). So, to get back on-topic: Yoshi, I'd still recommend contacting the service providers in Japan to see if any recommends the use of SVG-Tiny content on their network. They could suggest a model and service where you'd be able to see such content. Your local phone store would be closer to the source on this, if your main goal is to actually render SVG-T in Japan. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Macromedia SVGT in Flash Lie 1.1
Yoshihiko Matsumoto wrote: > Please, say where to buy "Macromedia SVGTiny " telephone in Japan, > own model? I am very sorry for the pressuer! Just because customer > deadline of development trial. My group having the pressuer with > resolved stage by end to month March 2005. > Thank-you sicerely for kind instance and ever attention. Sorry, I'm not sure yet which Flash-enabled phones in Japan are also SVG-enabled. Each manufacturer and provider should document what they sell, however. Can you find *any* SVG-Tiny phone in Japan right now? jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Macromedia SVGT in Flash Lie 1.1
Robin Berjon wrote: > There's no need for truncation to explain the exchange. You point to a > list of phones that according to you supposedly ship with Flash Lite, > and some of them don't. Are you saying Flash Lite was meant to be there > but somehow got trunctated? Sorry, although I read it twice, I misread it as "Hey, there's no SVG-T on this phone!" rather than "Hey, there's no FlashLite on this phone!" For "Can there exist phones on that Flash Lite list which don't include Flash Lite?" then there certainly can -- I don't think all those phones started their shipping *after* Flash Lite 1.1 was purchased for them, for instance. But this is the list of those who have paid to include it now: http://www.macromedia.com/mobile/supported_devices/ jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Macromedia SVGT in Flash Lie 1.1
Jim Ley wrote: > John Dowdell wrote: > > Here's the list of which devices ship with which engines: > > http://www.macromedia.com/mobile/supported_devices/ > > No it's not! I have two of the phones on that list, neither of > them ship with Flash Lite, a Flash Lite viewer could be > installed on those phones, but they do not _ship_ Could you > please actually confirm which one ship with it rather than > support it, which is all the page claims, but seems somewhat > different to what you claim? Hmm. I've had some email appear to be truncated recently... maybe you had the same thing happen to you, and did not see what I wrote immediately following the snippet quoted above. Let me try again: > > But not all the Flash Lite 1.1 installations include the SVG-Tiny > > libraries! This is up to each licensee. Some would rather use > > those bytes of storage for other purposes. I don't know what > > the current stats are for Japan. Tomorrow I'll try to find out more. "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" quote and wrote: > > With some quick web searches I haven't turned up mentions of SVG > > in a couple of DoCoMo FAQs, although more time would give a > > better search. > > We want to publish SVGT fomat worldwide, not other fomat... > Thank-you for worldwide web search in my requirement. So... do you feel comfortable checking the DoCoMo documentation more thoroughly yourself? (I probably won't have time to do a thorough search across all carriers and manufacturers today, and in any event wouldn't be sure what types of devices your intended audience currently uses.) I know who licensed the Macromedia Flash Lite 1.1 libraries, but haven't tracked which ones of these have included the extra SVG-rendering instructions in their phones. If I can get off email early today I might be able to learn more. jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Macromedia SVGT in Flash Lie 1.1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Please can somebody this list tell how can I find out the elements > and attribute that support by Macromedia Flash Lie 1.1 > implementation SVGT? It's the SVG-Tiny 1.1 test suite frame: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20030813/htmlframe/tiny-index.html This also has additional tests performed upon it, and upon each implementation before release, as described here: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/devices/articles/msvg_t.html > What is compatibility and the limitation with SVGT implementations > on telephones, especially for NTT Docomo [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure about DoCoMo... I know SWF content is very big on that network, but when I was in Tokyo last month I heard more people talking about SMIL than SVG. With some quick web searches I haven't turned up mentions of SVG in a couple of DoCoMo FAQs, although more time would give a better search. > Also, please to say complete list of models of telephones support > Flash Lie 1.1 with SVGT integrated with stadard shipment? Not > version 1.0!! Here's the list of which devices ship with which engines: http://www.macromedia.com/mobile/supported_devices/ But not all the Flash Lite 1.1 installations include the SVG-Tiny libraries! This is up to each licensee. Some would rather use those bytes of storage for other purposes. I don't know what the current stats are for Japan. Tomorrow I'll try to find out more. What are you trying to do, for what type of audience, and how do you plan on making it available? There may be ways to achieve what you wish. Regards, John Dowdell Macromedia Support - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] "to help protect your securtiy ..." blabla
jilusan wrote: > recently, i made a mistake: i upgraded m windows on the net. > now when i try to open a svg file with ie i get the message: > "to help protect your security, ie has restricted this file > from showing active content that could access your computer. > click here for options" I can't tell exactly what you did, but assuming you're asking something like "How can I learn more about the security changes for plugins to Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2?", then this information is specifically addressed here: http://www.macromedia.com/go/servicepack2 Specifically, try the following for an overview of the new user experience, and how to set up a site to minimize disruptions: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/logged_in/wanbar_sp2.html jd -- John Dowdell . Macromedia Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://www.macromedia.com/go/blog_jd Aggregator: http://www.macromedia.com/go/weblogs Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] toggling/selecting on a phone
sara_j_porter wrote: > Is the selection command for phones mouse clicks, or > mouse overs, or mouse outs, or mouse downs? Hmm, I'm not sure where the mouse comes from, but the most common selection method seems to be through tabbing. The keypad has a number of buttons, yet there are two software-controllable keys which seem to get used the most. Although the following illustration is SWF-related, the principles apply across implementations: http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/devices/articles/floogle_04.html Regards, John Dowdell Macromedia Support - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
