Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes
Yes, Return to Krondor is considered a bad game, in all possible aspects. I can't think of anything interesting about the game (except for the game to unlock chests). Betrayal in Antara was much more interesting. Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] All your base are belong to us Jim Leonard trixter@oldsPara: [EMAIL PROTECTED] kool.org A/C: Ref: 26-07-2001 cc: 18:07Assunto: Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes Solicita-se resposta a swcollect Stephen S. Lee wrote: I'm not sure what you guys are talking about -- if someone dies, just quit right away. Only if you switch maps is the game actually saved. Wasteland is therefore effectively no different from lots of other old games, where you just quickly powered down, reset, or backed up disks/files if something went seriously awry. Yes, but you weren't *supposed* to do this. It was a hack that worked. This is discussed a bit in the manual, too. Only on the IBM version, where savegames were traditionally expected to work. And it's discussed in the IBM-specific release notes, not the docs. Feist didn't write the plot of BaK. I think this is a good thing; professional authors who get too involved in a game have a strong tendency to screw it up, IMO. I think Bureaucracy is a good example of this: strong writing, but weak gameplay. Oh, and Feist had a strong hand in the making of Return to Krondor. Is Return to Krondor a bad game? -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Pedro Quaresma wrote: [snip] If you want a complete limited edition (not sure exactly what this is called offhand; if it's like ES:Arena it's the Deluxe Edition), *then* you should plan for a long hard search. (How hard is this one to get now?) There is a special edition for Daggerfall? I didn't know that, or seen one ever. The Arena deluxe is considerably hard to find, with all the props included (mouse pad, etc) I snagged this on eBay for $10.51 several months back. Muhahaha. (The *standard* ES:Arena package typically goes for $8-10 or so on eBay.) What does the special Daggerfall include? I'm actually not absolutely certain that people aren't confusing Daggerfall with ES:Arena here, but I've heard a couple people claim they have a copy of this. When Daggerfall came out I wasn't paying too close attention to game stores, so that's something I don't personally recall .. No, I don't know what it includes if it does exist. So: * does this exist (a quick Google search didn't tell me anything), and * what does it contain if it does exist? -- Stephen -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes
Pedro Quaresma wrote: Actually, http://www.mobygames.com/game/credits/gameId,287/ disagrees with you. I don't see Tim Cain associated with Wasteland at all. Why do you think Tim Cain was associated with Wasteland? Err... I was pretty sure he was the one responsible for Wasteland. I'll have to do some research (yes, I know his name isn't mentioned on the game box/flat) He's not mentioned in the manual either, or in the program executable. I think you're wrong, dude. :-) areas. Besides, I think it gave the game a sense of seriousness and urgency -- there's no restoring when an NPC dies, for example. I don't necessarily think that's a good idea. You may call it challenging, but I call it annoying... reminds me of the strange Blade of Destiny save system: if you saved outside of a temple, each char'd lose 50 xp I don't have a problem with a soft penalty for soft cheating. How many times did I restore the same game to get past a very difficult enemy because I was hoping for a critical hit? I was *supposed* to go back and get more experience (or play better) before attacking the monster. Doing all the main quests and side quests, I think 12 hours is enough (for the second time, of course) I *did* do most of the side quests (I got very little enjoyment out of playing it a second time, much to my dismay -- but it's still a great game). yourself in a I can't level anymore because I've finished all quests and have no more monsters to kill except for random wilderness encounters situation. So ask yourself this: When you get to that point, do you *need* to level up? Oh yes. You see, it's very important to reach level 24 so you can get either the Sniper or the Slayer perk, which makes the game much more interesting. Level 18, actually. But why is it *much* more interesting to get those perks if there's nothing left to kill? Isn't the game over at that point? Magic Candle is very Ultima-like. Ali Atabek had great ideas there, with the player being able to split the party so the mage could stay at the inn studying spells, the carpenter working for money, the ranger hunting for food, the main hero gathering information, etc... Really? I own it, shrinked. Maybe I'll crack the wrap on it ;-) Didn't Wasteland have this before Magic Candle? MC was 1989; Wasteland was 1987 (IBM PC, anyway). Then again, in WS it was mostly a gimmick whereas in MC it seems utilized effectively. (It's Tom's favorite game ever, IIRC.) Starflight was of course fantastic, and I hear good things about Darklands so I'll buy it. (There's an updated patched version for sale legally on a website; check MobyGames.) The Win-optimized CD is on sale everywhere on eBay too, but I'll take a peek. The one I'm talking about should be for sale here: http://www.ultimatedarklands.com/order.php3 -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes
Stephen S. Lee wrote: I'm not sure what you guys are talking about -- if someone dies, just quit right away. Only if you switch maps is the game actually saved. Wasteland is therefore effectively no different from lots of other old games, where you just quickly powered down, reset, or backed up disks/files if something went seriously awry. Yes, but you weren't *supposed* to do this. It was a hack that worked. This is discussed a bit in the manual, too. Only on the IBM version, where savegames were traditionally expected to work. And it's discussed in the IBM-specific release notes, not the docs. Feist didn't write the plot of BaK. I think this is a good thing; professional authors who get too involved in a game have a strong tendency to screw it up, IMO. I think Bureaucracy is a good example of this: strong writing, but weak gameplay. Oh, and Feist had a strong hand in the making of Return to Krondor. Is Return to Krondor a bad game? -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes
Pedro Quaresma wrote: I'm not interested in the RPGs as much as I am the action games (4D Sports Boxing, I500, Budokan are all A+ quality games that I'd like a 2nd copy of). I have been considering Indy 500 too... Indy was one of my first PC games, I just loved to run with the Indestructible car anti-clockwise, so I could put everyone out and then win comfortably :) But most importantly, that game is a programming masterpiece. I used to think Stunt Track Racer (fastest), Starglider (fast) and Flight Simulator (pretty) were the pinnacle of 1980s 3D until I saw Indy 500. Indy 500 is so incredibly well engineered that it puts every single 3D game made before 1990 to shame. I was getting between 10-15 fps on a 7.16MHz 8086 (my machine at the time) in CGA, and remember we're talking 2/3rds full-screen graphics with filled vectors! Yes, they cut a lot of corners mathematically -- you can see the coarse granularity of the integer math if you study how the cars are drawn; also, some of the polygons are filled on nybble boundaries instead of pixel boundaries -- but for the most part this is hidden from the user and it just plain looks great. And Rob Hubbard, who is a god to all C64 freaks :-), did the music and sound, which are just excellent. If you can get the game working on an Adlib (there's a later patched version floating around somewhere), you will be amazed at how realistic it sounds. -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes
Let's put it this way: I have no problem sharing my sources with you guys *after* I've picked them clean. ;-) Which is what I was expecting Pedro to do. Which is what I expect we all do. For example, I can tell you guys that there are several Cyber Exchanges and Software ReRuns around where I live (Naperville, IL, USA). I tell you this because I've already picked them clean for my own purposes. I'm helping by sharing, and I'm not worried about missing a deal because I've already been there. But what about sources that get new stuff in regularly? Do you really want to share your best hunting grounds with a bunch of other collectors? B-) Why not? Well, I know no/nearly no shops that get old games regularly. I'm not sure if that game shop I directed you to receives stuff in regularly. (Probably not, but I had absolutely no idea when I shared the address with you). I'm now in conversations with a new gold mine that has several rare games (at least as far as RPGs go)... at $1 each! I'll post a list in case you're interested to know (14 of them are already ordered by the way :) 4D Sports Boxing Abandoned Places ADD Dungeon Hack ADD Eye 3 All American Girl Screen Saver Windows Altered Destiny Armour-Geddon ATAC BAT Battle Isle Battle Isle 93 Battle of Britain Battledrome Battlehawks 1942 Battles of Destiny Bitstream True Type Font Pack Bloodstone Blue Max Budokan Callahan Screen Saver Campaign Campaign 2 Challenge of the 5 Realms Chaos the Software Clipmaster Pro Coaches Club Challenge Football Colonization Conquest of Camelot Cyber Empires D/generation Dacula Daemons Gate Darkspyre Daughter of Serpents Dawn Patrol Delrina Win Com Pro Design Estimator Discovery Steps of Columbus Doom 2 Screen Saver Dr. Floyd's Desktop Toys Dracula Elvira Elvira 2 Expert Calendar F-19 Falcon 3.0 Formula One Fountain of Dreams Four Crystals of Trazere Front Page Sports Football Future Wars Global Conquest Global Effect Gold of the Aztecs Gunship 2000 Gunship 2000 Scenario Hard Nova Hired Guns Hollywood Squares Hornet Falcon add on Indianapolis 500 Innocent Until Caught Isle of the Dead It's Watching you Spirit Adventure Jeopardy Deluxe Jetfighter 2 Jones in the Fast Lane Killing Cloud Knights of the Sky Land Sea Air 2 Laser Squad Legend of Faerghail Les Manley Lost in L.A. Lexicross Links Mauna Kea Lost Admiral Lure of the Temptress Magnettic Scrolls Mantis Megalomania Mickey ABC 2.0 Microleague football Microleague football 2 Mig 29 Millennium Mini Putt My Maillist NHL Hockey Nomad Operation Combat 2 Paladin 2 Perfect General Populous Power Monger Pro Tennis Tour Prophecy of the Shadow Protostar Purple Saturn Day Quadralien Quest for Glory 4 Quicken 5 Quicken version 2 for Windows Railroad Tycoon Classic Realms of Arkania Red Storm Rising Return of the Phantom Rise of the Triadd Sabre Team Sea Rogue Search for the King Serve Volley Spacewrecked Special Forces Star Control Stargoose Warrior Stellar 7 256 Stike Commander speech Stunts Subwar 2050 Team Yankee Terminator 2029 Mission Test Drive 3 Test Drive 3:Road Car #1 Theater of Death Theater of War Thunderhawk Tornado Traders Trial by Fire Triango Tristan Pinball Twilight 2000 Unnatural Selection Unnecessary Roughness Utopia V For Victory Velikiy Luki Vaxine Veil of Darkness Virtual Reality Studio Virtual Reality V2.0 Wacky Wheels warriors of Legend WaxWorks Wild Wheels Wonderland Word A Day World War 2 X-Com 2 Terror from the Deep Xiphos (Many of them are shrinkwrapped, btw) Pedro R. Quaresma [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] All your base are belong to us http://www.salvador-caetano.pt http://www.globalshop.pt -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes
C.E. Forman wrote: Let's put it this way: I have no problem sharing my sources with you guys *after* I've picked them clean. ;-) Which is what I was expecting Pedro to do. Which is what I expect we all do. For example, I can tell you guys that there are several Cyber Exchanges and Software ReRuns around where I live (Naperville, IL, USA). I tell you this because I've already picked them clean for my own purposes. I'm helping by sharing, and I'm not worried about missing a deal because I've already been there. But what about sources that get new stuff in regularly? Do you really want to share your best hunting grounds with a bunch of other collectors? B-) Well, that's a personal decision. But if you ever mention it in public, then you will be hounded until the rest of your days for the location :-) -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes
Pedro Quaresma wrote: (P.S. I think I just visited the website where you saw them. B-) I had mentioned that site to you, hadn't I? It was (before I bought all the nice titles) a nice site, I picked up those three Infocoms, plus Moebius Windwalker and Vixen (it had the poster, hurrah! ;)) all for £20 including shipping. Okay, cough it up: What's the URL of the site? -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes
Pedro Quaresma wrote: For example, I can tell you guys that there are several Cyber Exchanges and Software ReRuns around where I live (Naperville, IL, USA). I tell you this because I've already picked them clean for my own purposes. You didn't pick the RPGs, did you? :) Nope. I don't collect RPGs. In fact, I think I collect everything that you guys *don't* collect. I'm helping by sharing, and I'm not worried about missing a deal because I've already been there. I'm rarely worried about missing a deal even if I haven't been there yet... unless there's an Akalabeth or Ultima CPC listed or something... 0:) I'll drop a bomb, here: I don't know what you're talking about when you say Ultima CPC. Could you explain? Here's another bomb: I have never, ever liked any Ultimas. I find them contrived and scatterbrain; I feel the storylines are manufactured and trite. And most of all, the name Lord British really rubs me the wrong way -- it rubbed me the wrong way when I first saw it on the bootup screen of Ultima 2 and it still rubs me the wrong way today. It's a dorky, grammatically-incorrect handle. When I hear the name Lord British, I picture a pimply 14-yr-old trying to think of a cool handle to choose when signing onto a BBS door. I am the only software collector in the world who doesn't like Ultima. I love Origin, just not Ultima. If there is any one thing that any one Ultima game does better than *all* other RPGs, I'd sure like to know. (If you want to reply :-) please do so privately as I don't think everyone on the list wants to hear a flamewar over Ultima.) -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes
Jim, You are not alone -- I too love Origin but cannot stand Ultima! I'll take the Might Magic line over Ultima any day. As for the British moniker, Garriot himself said he chose the handle because it sounded cool. And he was a teenager at the time. Jim Leonard wrote: Pedro Quaresma wrote: For example, I can tell you guys that there are several Cyber Exchanges and Software ReRuns around where I live (Naperville, IL, USA). I tell you this because I've already picked them clean for my own purposes. You didn't pick the RPGs, did you? :) Nope. I don't collect RPGs. In fact, I think I collect everything that you guys *don't* collect. I'm helping by sharing, and I'm not worried about missing a deal because I've already been there. I'm rarely worried about missing a deal even if I haven't been there yet... unless there's an Akalabeth or Ultima CPC listed or something... 0:) I'll drop a bomb, here: I don't know what you're talking about when you say Ultima CPC. Could you explain? Here's another bomb: I have never, ever liked any Ultimas. I find them contrived and scatterbrain; I feel the storylines are manufactured and trite. And most of all, the name Lord British really rubs me the wrong way -- it rubbed me the wrong way when I first saw it on the bootup screen of Ultima 2 and it still rubs me the wrong way today. It's a dorky, grammatically-incorrect handle. When I hear the name Lord British, I picture a pimply 14-yr-old trying to think of a cool handle to choose when signing onto a BBS door. I am the only software collector in the world who doesn't like Ultima. I love Origin, just not Ultima. If there is any one thing that any one Ultima game does better than *all* other RPGs, I'd sure like to know. (If you want to reply :-) please do so privately as I don't think everyone on the list wants to hear a flamewar over Ultima.) -- http://www.MobyGames.com/ The world's most comprehensive gaming database project. -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/ -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes
Let's put it this way: I have no problem sharing my sources with you guys *after* I've picked them clean. ;-) Which is what I was expecting Pedro to do. Which is what I expect we all do. For example, I can tell you guys that there are several Cyber Exchanges and Software ReRuns around where I live (Naperville, IL, USA). I tell you this because I've already picked them clean for my own purposes. I'm helping by sharing, and I'm not worried about missing a deal because I've already been there. But what about sources that get new stuff in regularly? Do you really want to share your best hunting grounds with a bunch of other collectors? B-) -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
Re: [SWCollect] Infocom games' boxes
I have to add a small bit of trivia here... Lord British, as well as Iolo and many other names in the Ultima games were all characters that Garriott and his friends played in their DD campaign. I learned this not from a book, but back in my freshman year of college, I worked at the computer lab of North Seattle Community College and one of my coworkers, a lady from Texas (want to say her name was Jennifer, but may be wrong), told me that an old friend of hers used to make games (this was while I was showing her my Ami-Crypt site, as part of teaching her HTML) and that she couldn't remember the name of the games, something like Ultimate... and when I asked (incredulously) whether she meant Ultima, she said Yeah, that's it!. She was one of Garriots old DD pals... this was about 2 months before PC Gamer had Garriot on it's cover (I believe for the preview of Ultima Online and talk of Ultima 9) and when I showed her, she flipped out. Sorry, really not of consequence, but a fun little event, that I thought you all might find interesting. :) Trantor http://www.trantornator.com I'm writing here to make a correction. If I remember my Ultima history correctly (I didn't look it up to verify) Richard Garriott was given the name Lord British by his schoolmates. It was a sarcastic jibe at the way he spoke (very proper English). Hugh -- This message was sent to you because you are currently subscribed to the swcollect mailing list. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of 'unsubscribe swcollect' Archives are available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/swcollect@oldskool.org/
