Re: [swinog] (secret) ITU conference in Dubai: Swiss Delegation?
Dear All I'd rather suggest that the SwiNOG core team is going to formulate a clear statement to the Swiss ITU delegation (please note that I left the SwiNOG core team 1y ago). SwiNOG needs to speak in a united voice in this matter. I might remember you of one specific article of the SwiNOG charter (http://www.swinog.ch/charter/index.asp) about such situations: --snip SwiNOG is non-political, and is not a lobby group. But it may serve as a focus for discussion on technical aspects of political, legal or commercial issues that effect the Swiss Internet. --snap Therefore the core-team is not going to put any political statements out to the public. That beeing said: we'd rather encourage you to get in touch with SwiNOG Federation (http://www.swinog.com/) which is basically a lobby organisation that should suite the SwiNOG community at large as it consists of SwiNOG members. -- SwiNOG Organisation Roman Hochuli Board Member ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] (secret) ITU conference in Dubai: Swiss Delegation?
Hi Fredy, A couple of months ago the chairman of ISOC-CH (Vicenzo Palotti) reached out to OFCOM and asked for their position and any plan to reach out to the civil society. The answer was that they will basically follow the EU position (which is not a bad thing). They also stated that they did not had any plans for open consultation to the civil society, which we made clear is not what is expected as part of the current internet governance principles from the WSIS summit. I have no opposition to the core team to make a statement. Regards, Roque On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Fredy Kuenzler kuenz...@init7.net wrote: Am 27.11.2012 22:37, schrieb Fredy Kuenzler: Does anyone know the Swiss delegate of the upcoming ITU conference in Dubai? [...] In response to my tweet pointing to this email in the SwiNOG mailinglist archive I got a response with five names of the Swiss Delegation: There was the accreditation list mailed to some ISOC list last week, 5 people on the Swiss delegation: Mr Frédéric RIEHL, Chef des Affaires Internationales, OFCOM (Suisse) / BAKOM, frederic dot riehl at bakom dot admin dot ch Mr Hassane MAKKI, Affaires Internationales, Federal Office of Communications - OFCOM, hassane dot makki at bakom dot admin dot ch Mr Raphael SCHERRER, Conseiller Economiste, OFCOM (Suisse) / BAKOM, raphael dot scherrer at bakom dot admin dot ch Mr Dirk-Olivier VON DER EMDEN, Conseiller juridique, Office Fédéral de la Communication (OFCOM/BAKOM), dirk-olivier dot von-der-emden at bakom dot admin dot ch Mr Rolf WEBER, Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Zurich First one is flagged as Head of delegation, second one is deputy. So we know now that mainly BAKOM/OFCOM people are traveling to Dubai. Please all individuals refrain from sending personal emails the delegation! They don't need geeky comments or even stupid insulting. I'd rather suggest that the SwiNOG core team is going to formulate a clear statement to the Swiss ITU delegation (please note that I left the SwiNOG core team 1y ago). SwiNOG needs to speak in a united voice in this matter. I also hope that general interest media (Swiss television, Tages-Anzeiger, Blick et.al.) would pick this out as a central theme, along with special interest media (computer/telecommunication). It would be simply great to read a large interview with the delegates, where they commit themselves to stand for the self-regulated bottom-up Internet as we know and love. Support not only from this community but also from general media and us, the Swiss people, would strenghten their position... so please, dear journalists around, make a move :-) It will have an impact not only in Switzerland, but also in neighbouring countries. Except from heise.de I haven't seen much yet about the ITU conference in special interest media (computers/telecommunications). Not sure why, I guess inside-it.ch et.al. have some backlog... *hint* Meanwhile I hope everyone would help to share the link and video I mentioned in my previous mail: https://www.whatistheitu.org/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzNQarkk95Q Also I would like to include the link to the slides of SwiNOG #25 of Arnold Nipper with some unbiased information: http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog25/p/11_SwiNOG25-WCIT-20121107.pdf Thanks for listening and sharing! -- Fredy Künzler Init7 (Switzerland) AG AS13030 Elias-Canetti-Strasse 7 CH-8050 Zürich Skype: flyingpotato Phone: +41 44 315 4400 Fax: +41 44 315 4401 Twitter: @init7 http://www.init7.net/ ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog -- At least I did something Don Draper - Mad Men ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
[swinog] (secret) ITU conference in Dubai: Swiss Delegation?
Does anyone know the Swiss delegate of the upcoming ITU conference in Dubai? It would be appropriate if the delegate of our democratic country actually has a known face and we all know how he/she is going to vote. The topics in this conference are a real threat to the Internet we know and love (refer to the SwiNOG #25 slides of Arnold). If you are not familiar yet with the topic, watch (and share) this website and video: https://www.whatistheitu.org/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzNQarkk95Q Regards, Fredy Künzler / Init7 ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] (secret) ITU conference in Dubai: Swiss Delegation?
Am 27.11.2012 22:37, schrieb Fredy Kuenzler: Does anyone know the Swiss delegate of the upcoming ITU conference in Dubai? [...] In response to my tweet pointing to this email in the SwiNOG mailinglist archive I got a response with five names of the Swiss Delegation: There was the accreditation list mailed to some ISOC list last week, 5 people on the Swiss delegation: Mr Frédéric RIEHL, Chef des Affaires Internationales, OFCOM (Suisse) / BAKOM, frederic dot riehl at bakom dot admin dot ch Mr Hassane MAKKI, Affaires Internationales, Federal Office of Communications - OFCOM, hassane dot makki at bakom dot admin dot ch Mr Raphael SCHERRER, Conseiller Economiste, OFCOM (Suisse) / BAKOM, raphael dot scherrer at bakom dot admin dot ch Mr Dirk-Olivier VON DER EMDEN, Conseiller juridique, Office Fédéral de la Communication (OFCOM/BAKOM), dirk-olivier dot von-der-emden at bakom dot admin dot ch Mr Rolf WEBER, Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Zurich First one is flagged as Head of delegation, second one is deputy. So we know now that mainly BAKOM/OFCOM people are traveling to Dubai. Please all individuals refrain from sending personal emails the delegation! They don't need geeky comments or even stupid insulting. I'd rather suggest that the SwiNOG core team is going to formulate a clear statement to the Swiss ITU delegation (please note that I left the SwiNOG core team 1y ago). SwiNOG needs to speak in a united voice in this matter. I also hope that general interest media (Swiss television, Tages-Anzeiger, Blick et.al.) would pick this out as a central theme, along with special interest media (computer/telecommunication). It would be simply great to read a large interview with the delegates, where they commit themselves to stand for the self-regulated bottom-up Internet as we know and love. Support not only from this community but also from general media and us, the Swiss people, would strenghten their position... so please, dear journalists around, make a move :-) It will have an impact not only in Switzerland, but also in neighbouring countries. Except from heise.de I haven't seen much yet about the ITU conference in special interest media (computers/telecommunications). Not sure why, I guess inside-it.ch et.al. have some backlog... *hint* Meanwhile I hope everyone would help to share the link and video I mentioned in my previous mail: https://www.whatistheitu.org/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzNQarkk95Q Also I would like to include the link to the slides of SwiNOG #25 of Arnold Nipper with some unbiased information: http://www.swinog.ch/meetings/swinog25/p/11_SwiNOG25-WCIT-20121107.pdf Thanks for listening and sharing! -- Fredy Künzler Init7 (Switzerland) AG AS13030 Elias-Canetti-Strasse 7 CH-8050 Zürich Skype: flyingpotato Phone: +41 44 315 4400 Fax: +41 44 315 4401 Twitter: @init7 http://www.init7.net/ ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] (secret) ITU conference in Dubai: Swiss Delegation?
I don't know the Swiss delegate to WCIT. As co-author of Arnold's presentation I would like to point out 2 of the references on slide 7 of the presentation: –Example of a controversial document: ETNO (The European Telecommunications Network Operators' Association) Paper on Contribution to WCIThttp://www.etno.eu/news/etno/2012/51) –Example of a reply to a controversial document: US Ambassador Kennard's speech at the FR ETNO conference http://www.key4biz.eu/etnodigital/newsletter/ambassador-kennard-on-the-future-of-the-internet.html) Swisscom and TDC are members of ETNO. Since Arnold's presentation, the Euro-IX open letter has been signed by 49 Euro-IX members (among them CIXP and SwissIX) from 37 IXPs from 24 countries and it was sent to CEPT (European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administrations) with copy to the Neelie Kroes secretariat. The open letter is on the Web at: https://www.euro-ix.net/documents/1050-Euro-IX-WCIT- OpenLetterCEPT-pdf?download=yes Distribution of the open letter to the media is welcome! Regards, Ludwig Pregernig (CIXP General Manger until my retirement from CERN, but still Euro-IX Board Member) On 27 Nov 2012, at 16:37, Fredy Kuenzler wrote: Does anyone know the Swiss delegate of the upcoming ITU conference in Dubai? It would be appropriate if the delegate of our democratic country actually has a known face and we all know how he/she is going to vote. The topics in this conference are a real threat to the Internet we know and love (refer to the SwiNOG #25 slides of Arnold). If you are not familiar yet with the topic, watch (and share) this website and video: https://www.whatistheitu.org/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzNQarkk95Q Regards, Fredy Künzler / Init7 ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] (secret) ITU conference in Dubai: Swiss Delegation?
On Nov 27, 2012, at 3:37 PM, Fredy Kuenzler kuenz...@init7.net wrote: Mr Frédéric RIEHL, Chef des Affaires Internationales, OFCOM Mr Hassane MAKKI, Affaires Internationales, OFCOM Mr Raphael SCHERRER, Conseiller Economiste, OFCOM Mr Dirk-Olivier VON DER EMDEN, Conseiller juridique, OFCOM Mr Rolf WEBER, Professor, Faculty of Law, University of Zurich As a non-Swiss but very interested party, I'd like to second all of Fredy's suggestions. If you haven't already looked at it, this document is worth a read: http://files.wcitleaks.org/public/Retreat2012.pdf That's an internal handout from an ITU retreat at which they discuss how to camouflage their attack. Their summary of the Internet's position is, of course, highly biased, so you shouldn't take it at face value. I (and plenty of other people who've been involved in WCIT prep for the last three years) would be happy to try to address any questions. The EU, US, and all other OECD countries have banded together to try to protect the Internet: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=MOTIONreference=B7-2012-0499format=XMLlanguage=EN http://www.netcaucus.org/events/2012/internetgovernance/Internet-Caucus-WCIT-Letter.pdf There's been a lot of press coverage, though much of it is lacking in specifics or detailed understanding of Internet governance, as you might expect: http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrydownes/2012/11/26/un-agencys-leaked-playbook-panic-chaos-over-internet-treaty/print/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57551442-38/russia-demands-broad-un-role-in-net-governance-leak-reveals/ http://broadbandbreakfast.com/2012/11/expert-opinionbypaulbudde-wcit-and-the-tower-of-babel Other reading: http://berec.europa.eu/files/document_register_store/2012/11/BoR_(12)_120_BEREC_on_ITR.pdf http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-the-net-grab http://www.nro.net/news/nro-shares-concerns-aboutwcit-process http://www.cio.com/article/719857/Experts_Internet_businesses_should_pay_attention_to_ITU_meeting http://www.euro-ix.net/documents/1052-PR-Open-Letter-from-Euro-IX-pdf -Bill ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] (secret) ITU conference in Dubai: Swiss Delegation?
On 2012-11-27 22:37 , Fredy Kuenzler wrote: Does anyone know the Swiss delegate of the upcoming ITU conference in Dubai? It would be appropriate if the delegate of our democratic country actually has a known face and we all know how he/she is going to vote. The topics in this conference are a real threat to the Internet we know and love (refer to the SwiNOG #25 slides of Arnold). Fortunately there was already a statement from this group of countries called Europe that it is a bad idea, but yes, indeed, would be good to figure out who this is. Greets, Jeroen ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
