Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
though I'm the opinion that anyone of us need to think about data protection, security, etc... so the posts might be not that useless as it seems for some list members :) fully agreed, and every ISP could be hit once and getting blamed not to take care about dataprotection ... Roger I wish you all a nice and relaxed weekend bests ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
Rainer Duffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, in the former GDR (DDR, East Germany), when they had elections, people could use the polling booth to mark the ballot paper in privacy. But most people choose not to - it looked too much as if they had something to hide and might want to vote with No (GDR was famous for 99.9% results. That's a very good example. Do you have a reference to a quotable source on this? (German or English is fine.) Greetings, Norbert -- Norbert Bollow President, Swiss Internet User Group (SIUG) ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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See: Page 216 note 110 Dresden: Paradoxes of Memory in History By Elizabeth A. Ten Dyke Published by Routledge, 2001 ISBN 0415270367, 9780415270366 Regards, Michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Norbert Bollow Sent: 09 October 2008 09:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? Rainer Duffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, in the former GDR (DDR, East Germany), when they had elections, people could use the polling booth to mark the ballot paper in privacy. But most people choose not to - it looked too much as if they had something to hide and might want to vote with No (GDR was famous for 99.9% results. That's a very good example. Do you have a reference to a quotable source on this? (German or English is fine.) Greetings, Norbert -- Norbert Bollow President, Swiss Internet User Group (SIUG) ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
Am Mittwoch, den 08.10.2008, 03:55 -0700 schrieb Stanislav Sinyagin: yes, Venty, everyone wants to know what you talk about in your private communications. Yihaaa, the *ng I don't have anything to hide-statement. -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen Andre Timmermann Nine Internet Solutions AG, Albisriederstr. 243c, CH-8047 Zuerich Tel +41 44 637 40 00 | Direkt +41 44 637 40 06 | Fax +41 44 637 40 01 ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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You're right! Some (!) paranoia is not too bad. Cheers Günti -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rainer Duffner] IRC Server dead ? SNIP Well, in the former GDR (DDR, East Germany), when they had elections, people could use the polling booth to mark the ballot paper in privacy. But most people choose not to - it looked too much as if they had something to hide and might want to vote with No (GDR was famous for 99.9% results. What people don't seem to get is that privacy is something you've got to maintain while you don't really need it - because if you let it erode to the point that it no longer exists, it's too late and you can't reclaim it without large and painful sacrifices. Rainer ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
yes, Venty, everyone wants to know what you talk about in your private communications. don't be silly, just use it as any other public communication platform, be it Gmail or internet forums. If you need to transport sensitive data, use secure channels for it. If you need to communicate to few hundred of your contacts, there's not much alternative, because most of them use skype anyway. - Original Message From: Martin Ebnoether [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype is like MSN Messenger, just another ugly overloaded communication tool. if I have to choose between skype and MSN, it's MSN, because there are a lot of opensource and freeware alternatives to the bad Live Messenger from Microschrott, ah Microsoft... :-) Well, it might be ugly, but at least it works in almost every situation. If it would not, they could not sniff into other peoples private communications. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb: From: Andre Timmermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Mittwoch, den 08.10.2008, 03:55 -0700 schrieb Stanislav Sinyagin: yes, Venty, everyone wants to know what you talk about in your private communications. Yihaaa, the *ng I don't have anything to hide-statement. nope, it's the other thing: If I need to hide something, I use the right tools :) so, if I go once and buy 1000 paper knives, I will not pay by my plastic card and won't use any Supercard or Cumulus :-) Well, in the former GDR (DDR, East Germany), when they had elections, people could use the polling booth to mark the ballot paper in privacy. But most people choose not to - it looked too much as if they had something to hide and might want to vote with No (GDR was famous for 99.9% results. What people don't seem to get is that privacy is something you've got to maintain while you don't really need it - because if you let it erode to the point that it no longer exists, it's too late and you can't reclaim it without large and painful sacrifices. Rainer ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was requesting twice on _http://www.warmduscher- abc.ch/warmduscher_abc.asp_ http://www.warmduscher-abc.ch/warmduscher_abc.asp to add the term Skype-Benutzer but as the maintainer seems to be an skype fan it getting ignored try it again :D Roger Am 7 Oct 2008 um 9:32 hat Marco Fretz geschrieben: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IRC is cool - IRC is a geek tool ,-)) skype is something for warmduscher (well, i've got an account since 2 days...) ,-)) yes, IRC is old-school. it's just great, coding own bots, irc clients, etc... lot of possibilities. Skype is like MSN Messenger, just another ugly overloaded communication tool. if I have to choose between skype and MSN, it's MSN, because there are a lot of opensource and freeware alternatives to the bad Live Messenger from Microschrott, ah Microsoft... :-) -steven -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stanislav Sinyagin Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? I think more people on this list have skype than IRC client software (me, for example :-) - Original Message From: Boris Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 3:51:20 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? PS: The actual list of all available servers is listed at: http://irc.subcult.ch As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of SwissIX is at the moment only reachable by its peers. We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in the mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a SwissIX-connected ISP ;). ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was requesting twice on _http://www.warmduscher- abc.ch/warmduscher_abc.asp_ http://www.warmduscher-abc.ch/warmduscher_abc.asp to add the term Skype-Benutzer but as the maintainer seems to be an skype fan it getting ignored I cant add it: Microsoft JET Database Engine error '80040e57' The field is too small to accept the amount of data you attempted to add. Try inserting or pasting less data. /warmduscher_melden.asp, line 125 haha :D Roger Am 7 Oct 2008 um 9:32 hat Marco Fretz geschrieben: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IRC is cool - IRC is a geek tool ,-)) skype is something for warmduscher (well, i've got an account since 2 days...) ,-)) yes, IRC is old-school. it's just great, coding own bots, irc clients, etc... lot of possibilities. Skype is like MSN Messenger, just another ugly overloaded communication tool. if I have to choose between skype and MSN, it's MSN, because there are a lot of opensource and freeware alternatives to the bad Live Messenger from Microschrott, ah Microsoft... :-) -steven -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stanislav Sinyagin Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? I think more people on this list have skype than IRC client software (me, for example :-) - Original Message From: Boris Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 3:51:20 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? PS: The actual list of all available servers is listed at: http://irc.subcult.ch As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of SwissIX is at the moment only reachable by its peers. We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in the mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a SwissIX-connected ISP ;). ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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SwiNOG is for Network Operator discussions and nothing else. The last few days have irritated me. Please keep such silly discussions off the email list. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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at least it prooved the ML is still alive, and not so slow as some mentioned ;- ) we got 3 days nanog feeling, who cares ? if someone like an idling list.. we maybe could create [EMAIL PROTECTED], and to make shure there is no accidentaly traffic setting this list to moderated this would be even helpfull for all the autoresponder fan's Roger Roger Salut, Chris, On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:10:13 +0200, Chris Gravell wrote: SwiNOG is for Network Operator discussions and nothing else. The last few days have irritated me. Please keep such silly discussions off the email list. While I agree that Skype and Open vs. Closed source is off-topic (hi ylz), I think data protection is not really. But maybe that time is over too. Tonnerre ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: at least it prooved the ML is still alive, and not so slow as some mentioned ;-) we got 3 days nanog feeling, who cares ? if someone like an idling list.. we maybe could create [EMAIL PROTECTED], and to make shure there is no accidentaly traffic setting this list to moderated this would be even helpfull for all the autoresponder fan's - I enjoyed reading it all. It put a smile on my face several times. One day, I want to do a beer event with you guys, but since it's 12,277 kilometers (7628 miles) there: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/distanceresult.html?p1=103p2=268 It'll probably be a very long time until that happens... ;-) scott ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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Boris Meyer wrote: no one cares about security and I think swinog should care about security! use IRC, install one of the thousands IRC clients available and ask your security guru to open the port, or do it on your own ^^ You can connect via SSL for a little bit of enhanced security (and the connection between the servers is also encrypted). As alternative of Skype, we can take it to the max and use the chat-system of World of Warcraft. We just have to choose, if we play for Alliance or Horde and may use the guild chat (the famous n00b-pwning Swinog-Guild) /badhumour good one :-) we can also use pro7.de chat :P haha Boris. ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb: From: Martin Ebnoether [EMAIL PROTECTED] All that is needed to take Skype down is an automatic windows update of some thousand computers. Remember last summer? http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819 hey Venty, long time no see :) if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :) Well, you maybe - I don't ;-) But then, I also didn't use Windows in 2003, either... Nowadays, the viruses don't knock down the Windows-boxes, they just use them as Spam-Zombies or attack-drones or whatever the people that rent them want to use them for. If the tool serves my needs, I don't really care if it's open source - I'm not going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example). I don't have any of those, either. There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them :-) I think you are oversimplifying and trivializing what these databases can be used for. Nowadays, these giant databases of consumer buying-behavior are probably also used to find potential terrorists. Who bought box-cutters and what did they buy with them? Who bought box-cutters only? Who bought the other items alone that the people buying box-cutters and other items bought? It's hilarious, but that's how some people actually believe the war against terror can be won. Also, I think you should do some reading regarding the Skype application. I think that if it wasn't for its widespread use, most AV-programs would consider it malware. The executable itself is packed and encrypted and actively tries to avoid debugging/reverse-engineering by in-memory debuggers. The communication itself is encrypted with an unknown encryption-method. And of course, yes, no source code is available (for the general public). I did sign up for an account and used it for a few times - but just because I didn't have time to setup my own Jabber server and experiment with iChat ;-) I've got a _very_ bad feeling using this app - it's just scary. Rainer ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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i was requesting twice on http://www.warmduscher- abc.ch/warmduscher_abc.asp to add the term Skype-Benutzer but as the maintainer seems to be an skype fan it getting ignored Roger Am 7 Oct 2008 um 9:32 hat Marco Fretz geschrieben: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IRC is cool - IRC is a geek tool ,-)) skype is something for warmduscher (well, i've got an account since 2 days...) ,-)) yes, IRC is old-school. it's just great, coding own bots, irc clients, etc... lot of possibilities. Skype is like MSN Messenger, just another ugly overloaded communication tool. if I have to choose between skype and MSN, it's MSN, because there are a lot of opensource and freeware alternatives to the bad Live Messenger from Microschrott, ah Microsoft... :-) -steven -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stanislav Sinyagin Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? I think more people on this list have skype than IRC client software (me, for example :-) - Original Message From: Boris Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 3:51:20 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? PS: The actual list of all available servers is listed at: http://irc.subcult.ch As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of SwissIX is at the moment only reachable by its peers. We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in the mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a SwissIX-connected ISP ;). ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
12:54 -!- Irssi: Connecting to irc.subcult.ch [213.180.174.250] port 6667 12:54 -!- Irssi: Connection to irc.subcult.ch established 12:54 !irc.subcult.ch *** Looking up your hostname... 12:54 !irc.subcult.ch *** Checking Ident 12:54 !irc.subcult.ch *** No Ident response 12:54 !irc.subcult.ch *** Found your hostname 12:54 -!- Welcome to the SubCultNET Internet Relay Chat Network boris etc etc... Don't see your problem. Maybe some client issues? Anyway, there are 4 possible servers, just check http://irc.subcult.ch Regards, Boris [Tue.06:07] -irc.subcult.ch- *** Checking Ident - [Tue.06:07] -irc.subcult.ch- *** Found your hostname and thats it .. stays there .. after 4 minutes the client disc. and retry to connect. will be shure in 30 minutes everything will be fine again so i really would be happy when irc.swinog.ch is back on the net, there i never experienced that Roger Am 7 Oct 2008 um 1:27 hat Scott Weeks geschrieben: I can't resist. ...if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that... Only from the unknowledgeable that don't control Javascript (NoScript), flash (etc.), cookies or 'stuff'. Therefore, you have skewed stats. ...There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them... Yes, there is. scott --- ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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so .. we have to be carefull what we buy .. more difficult than buy something 1938 .. where you could be sued for buying electronic parts which could enable you to hear other Radio programms than göbbels-schnauze never buy more than one cutter-knive at one time, or you could be a possi ble suspect for mass-murdering ...lol Roger Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb: From: Martin Ebnoether [EMAIL PROTECTED] All that is needed to take Skype down is an automatic windows update of some thousand computers. Remember last summer? http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819 hey Venty, long time no see :) if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :) Well, you maybe - I don't ;-) But then, I also didn't use Windows in 2003, either... Nowadays, the viruses don't knock down the Windows-boxes, they just use them as Spam-Zombies or attack-drones or whatever the people that rent them want to use them for. If the tool serves my needs, I don't really care if it's open source - I'm not going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example). I don't have any of those, either. There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them :-) I think you are oversimplifying and trivializing what these databases can be used for. Nowadays, these giant databases of consumer buying-behavior are probably also used to find potential terrorists. Who bought box-cutters and what did they buy with them? Who bought box-cutters only? Who bought the other items alone that the people buying box-cutters and other items bought? It's hilarious, but that's how some people actually believe the war against terror can be won. Also, I think you should do some reading regarding the Skype application. I think that if it wasn't for its widespread use, most AV-programs would consider it malware. The executable itself is packed and encrypted and actively tries to avoid debugging/reverse-engineering by in-memory debuggers. The communication itself is encrypted with an unknown encryption-method. And of course, yes, no source code is available (for the general public). I did sign up for an account and used it for a few times - but just because I didn't have time to setup my own Jabber server and experiment with iChat ;-) I've got a _very_ bad feeling using this app - it's just scary. Rainer ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
back to the orginal topic, today the same again [Tue.06:07] -irc.subcult.ch- *** Checking Ident - [Tue.06:07] -irc.subcult.ch- *** Found your hostname and thats it .. stays there .. after 4 minutes the client disc. and retry to connect. will be shure in 30 minutes everything will be fine again so i really would be happy when irc.swinog.ch is back on the net, there i never experienced that Roger Am 7 Oct 2008 um 1:27 hat Scott Weeks geschrieben: I can't resist. ...if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that... Only from the unknowledgeable that don't control Javascript (NoScript), flash (etc.), cookies or 'stuff'. Therefore, you have skewed stats. ...There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them... Yes, there is. scott --- ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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On the Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:26:37AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin blubbered: Hoi Stan! All that is needed to take Skype down is an automatic windows update of some thousand computers. Remember last summer? http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070819 hey Venty, long time no see :) if you remember, back in 2003-2004 there were viruses which knocked down hundreds of thousands of windows PCs. So what, we're still using that :) Well, I'm typing on a Mac at the office, using SSH to connect to a NetBSD box at home. =:-) My last Windows installation is a Windows 2000, which is slowly falling apart. If the tool serves my needs, I don't really care if it's open source - I'm not going to compile anything on my desktop anyway. And if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that, and we're helping them (Coop Supercard for example). There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them :-) Well, yes, if it serves the purpose, sure. Though if the company/product has a bad reputation in terms of security and spying on the user, I do think twice about using it. Skype is one of these companies/products actually. As said before, I use Skype at most with the PSPs built-in client which can do phone calls and thats it. I'm not much online there though. CU, Venty -- What we're planning here is World Domination! ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
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I can't resist. ...if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that... Only from the unknowledgeable that don't control Javascript (NoScript), flash (etc.), cookies or 'stuff'. Therefore, you have skewed stats. ...There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them... Yes, there is. scott --- ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
got to nazgul and it worked the first second, opened an second irc client tried subcult .. timeout Roger Am 7 Oct 2008 um 12:59 hat Boris Meyer geschrieben: 12:54 -!- Irssi: Connecting to irc.subcult.ch [213.180.174.250] port 6667 12:54 -!- Irssi: Connection to irc.subcult.ch established 12:54 !irc.subcult.ch *** Looking up your hostname... 12:54 !irc.subcult.ch *** Checking Ident 12:54 !irc.subcult.ch *** No Ident response 12:54 !irc.subcult.ch *** Found your hostname 12:54 -!- Welcome to the SubCultNET Internet Relay Chat Network boris etc etc... Don't see your problem. Maybe some client issues? Anyway, there are 4 possible servers, just check http://irc.subcult.ch Regards, Boris [Tue.06:07] -irc.subcult.ch- *** Checking Ident - [Tue.06:07] -irc.subcult.ch- *** Found your hostname and thats it .. stays there .. after 4 minutes the client disc. and retry to connect. will be shure in 30 minutes everything will be fine again so i really would be happy when irc.swinog.ch is back on the net, there i never experienced that Roger Am 7 Oct 2008 um 1:27 hat Scott Weeks geschrieben: I can't resist. ...if it collects any marketing stats, so what, everyone is doing that... Only from the unknowledgeable that don't control Javascript (NoScript), flash (etc.), cookies or 'stuff'. Therefore, you have skewed stats. ...There's nothing bad about companies knowing better what I might buy from them... Yes, there is. scott --- ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
Am 7.10.2008 9:32 Uhr, Marco Fretz schrieb: Skype is like MSN Messenger, just another ugly overloaded communication tool. if I have to choose between skype and MSN, it's MSN, because there are a lot of opensource and freeware alternatives to the bad Live Messenger from Microschrott, ah Microsoft... :-) Well, it might be ugly, but at least it works in almost every situation. Ihsan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://blog.dogan.ch/ ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
Moin Roger Nothing special happened the last few days, everything worked as usual. irc.swinog.ch not reachable - you have any traceroute output? irc.subcult.ch also worked fine - for ident-issue, give identd a chance ;) For any questions ... /msg me in the ircnet now (you know my nick). Regards, Boris irc.swinog.ch is not reachable via bluewin irc.subcult.ch telling me after connect checking ident .. found your hostname .. and then stays like that whats happen ? Roger ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
Dear All irc.swinog.ch not reachable - you have any traceroute output? As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of SwissIX is at the moment only reachable by its peers. We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in the mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a SwissIX-connected ISP ;). -- Best regards, Roman Hochuli Operations Manager nexellent ag Saegereistrasse 29 CH-8152 Glattbrugg Phone: +41 44 562 30 40 Fax: +41 44 562 30 41 URL: www.nexellent.ch X-NCC-RegID: ch.nexellent Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality. -- Jules de Gaultier ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
PS: The actual list of all available servers is listed at: http://irc.subcult.ch As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of SwissIX is at the moment only reachable by its peers. We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in the mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a SwissIX-connected ISP ;). ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? I think more people on this list have skype than IRC client software (me, for example :-) - Original Message From: Boris Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 3:51:20 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? PS: The actual list of all available servers is listed at: http://irc.subcult.ch As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of SwissIX is at the moment only reachable by its peers. We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in the mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a SwissIX-connected ISP ;). ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? Will that work with my enter your chosen OS here? I think more people on this list have skype than IRC client software (me, for example :-) It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky. Reason enough? ;) -- Best regards, Roman Hochuli Operations Manager nexellent ag Saegereistrasse 29 CH-8152 Glattbrugg Phone: +41 44 562 30 40 Fax: +41 44 562 30 41 URL: www.nexellent.ch X-NCC-RegID: ch.nexellent Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality. -- Jules de Gaultier ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
installing a P2P phose client just for chatting ? IRC is basic, works very well even on very slow satelite link without causing congestion. And at least it doesnt depend on some thirdparty Services,the servers are under our control. Roger Am 6 Oct 2008 um 16:15 hat Roman Hochuli geschrieben: why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? Will that work with my enter your chosen OS here? I think more people on this list have skype than IRC client software (me, for example :-) It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky. Reason enough? ;) -- Best regards, Roman Hochuli Operations Manager nexellent ag Saegereistrasse 29 CH-8152 Glattbrugg Phone: +41 44 562 30 40 Fax: +41 44 562 30 41 URL: www.nexellent.ch X-NCC-RegID: ch.nexellent Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality. -- Jules de Gaultier ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? Will that work with my enter your chosen OS here? well, almost :) http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/ I think more people on this list have skype than IRC client software (me, for example :-) It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky. Reason enough? ;) almost anyone uses skype anyway, so why bother :) Roger IRC is basic, works very well even on very slow satelite link... show me a satellite link in Switzerland :-) ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
my grandmother in scheid is using one - its faster then the DSL there ;) costs around 40 Bucks / month :) astra2connect Stanislav Sinyagin schrieb: why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? Will that work with my enter your chosen OS here? well, almost :) http://www.skype.com/intl/en/download/skype/linux/ I think more people on this list have skype than IRC client software (me, for example :-) It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky. Reason enough? ;) almost anyone uses skype anyway, so why bother :) Roger IRC is basic, works very well even on very slow satelite link... show me a satellite link in Switzerland :-) ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
Hmm VoIP is very network sensitive and it would be useless in case of network troubles. I thinking about joining this Swinog IRC network, currently I'm on EFNET via irc.efnet.ch What are the right channels to join ? Regarding the stats of http://irc.subcult.ch looks to be more German channels than English ones. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stanislav Sinyagin Sent: lundi, 6. octobre 2008 16:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? I think more people on this list have skype than IRC client software (me, for example :-) - Original Message From: Boris Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 3:51:20 PM Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? PS: The actual list of all available servers is listed at: http://irc.subcult.ch As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of SwissIX is at the moment only reachable by its peers. We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in the mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a SwissIX-connected ISP ;). ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
I can never on monday :( so I vote for the beer events to be on another weekday once ;) and for a jabber room (there are a lot of jabber servers that could host one maintained by Swinog members) Silvan Marc Balmer schrieb: * Silvan Gebhardt wrote: I vote for a jabber chatroom ;) let's meet in a pub ;) [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: installing a P2P phose client just for chatting ? IRC is basic, works very well even on very slow satelite link without causing congestion. And at least it doesnt depend on some thirdparty Services,the servers are under our control. Roger Am 6 Oct 2008 um 16:15 hat Roman Hochuli geschrieben: why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? Will that work with my enter your chosen OS here? I think more people on this list have skype than IRC client software (me, for example :-) It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky. Reason enough? ;) -- Best regards, Roman Hochuli Operations Manager nexellent ag Saegereistrasse 29 CH-8152 Glattbrugg Phone: +41 44 562 30 40 Fax: +41 44 562 30 41 URL: www.nexellent.ch X-NCC-RegID: ch.nexellent Imagination is the one weapon in the war against reality. -- Jules de Gaultier ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
* on the Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 07:02:18AM -0700, Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? I think more people on this list have skype than IRC client software (me, for example :-) I don't. And I WON'T. I've done too much cmputer security, and now I've got a déformation professionelle. I won't use closed software for anything crucial like communication; something where I can't even run the server myself (or decide whose server I want to use). On the other hand, I've got an IRC-Server running too ;) And I'm available with Jabber, of course. Cheers Seegras -- Those who give up essential liberties for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin It's also true that those who would give up privacy for security are likely to end up with neither. -- Bruce Schneier ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
swissix stopped announcing the prefix because of this. i think you might join via irc.subcult.ch (which might have an interconnection with irc.swissix.ch). -steven -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johannes Resch Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? Boris Meyer wrote: PS: The actual list of all available servers is listed at: http://irc.subcult.ch since this recent DDoS related change I cannot reach any of the listed IRC servers from hetzner.de space (AS24940, 78.46.0.0/15) anymore. would be great if somebody could fix this.. cheers, -jr As a result of a DDoS against the SwissIX IP-Range the prefix of SwissIX is at the moment only reachable by its peers. We are working towards bringing the irc-server back online. But in the mean time eiher use another server of the mesh or have a SwissIX-connected ISP ;). ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
Salut, Roman, On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:15:47 +0200, Roman Hochuli wrote: It's simple, it's vintage, it's reliable and clients are available for pretty much every known device. Or in other words: it's plain geeky. Reason enough? ;) Nah. IRC is ubiquitous, that's it. If you want something geeky, there's ICB or SILC. Tonnerre signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
it was about chat (plain text chat), not a conference call :-) - Original Message From: Tonnerre Lombard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2008 12:13:36 AM Subject: Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ? Salut, Stanislav, On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 07:02:18 -0700 (PDT), Stanislav Sinyagin wrote: why doesn't someone create a public Skype chat for SwiNOG? Why do you want to hear us snore? Tonnerre ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
Re: [swinog] IRC Server dead ?
Hi Roger, On Thu, 2008-10-02 at 14:28 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: irc.swinog.ch is not reachable via bluewin irc.subcult.ch telling me after connect checking ident .. found your hostname .. and then stays like that whats happen ? Looks fine at the moment from this side of the internet, and for 37 other users :-) : [20:55] «Users» | 38 nicks (37 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 0 normal [20:55] «Users» | Users on #swinog: [20:55] «Users» | @arska @deadflesh @jcl @Roland_AS20634 @stony @Tonnerre [20:55] «Users» | @casper_home@folken @KillerFox @roots_AS8302 @swix @ylz [20:55] «Users» | @casper_office @gidos_home @Lehmvogel @Squz @SyTonnerre +captu [20:55] «Users» | @claudio@held @Obri @steve @telmich [20:55] «Users» | @cramer_AS8758 @herel @Pat @steve_h_ @tobias [20:55] «Users» | @cramer_as8758^home @homefab@PhunnyBR @steven @tom_home [20:55] «Users» | @dapke_AS15169 @huggi @rog @stikk @tom_office [20:55] «Users» | 38 nicks (37 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 0 normal But there were a few Connection lost to irc.swinog.ch this afternoon in the logs... regards, Olivier ___ swinog mailing list swinog@lists.swinog.ch http://lists.swinog.ch/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swinog
