Re: [sword-devel] ISV Old Testament
Yes, we have permission to do an update of the ISV (including the addition of the OT). I just haven't had time recently to work on it, since it's a relatively difficult conversion (from a Word file). --Chris On 9/16/11 8:54 AM, Martin Denham wrote: A user has asked regarding the ISV Old Testament. The ISV Sword Module only contains the NT but it seems many other apps like e-Sword and Cadre Bible distribute the full bible for free. Are there any plans to distribute the whole ISV bible? Thanks Martin ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
[sword-devel] Discussion on sword inclusion on openSUSE mailing list
Hi everybody, Just wanted to make you aware that there has been a very long and heated discussion over the inclusion of SWORD into the official openSUSE repos in the last couple of days. It can be read through here: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2011-09/msg00422.html I did not participate, but it can be summarized as follows: A maintainer had requested for sword to be included into the openSUSE repos (apparently everybody was oblivious to the fact that it was already in the openSUSE Education repo). The discussion went pretty well with the tentative conclusion to make sure that the description is religiously neutral and that sword should otherwise be allowed into the repos. Then, a few ardent atheists started to take over, and arguments comparing the Bible to Nazi literature and about how much they hate all religions were brought fourth. It is obvious that no reasonable discussion can take place with these sorts of arguments. I am just proud of the participating Christians who stayed calm and reasonable for the most part, making the atheists look bad for their own eruptions in the process. Anyways, I think this is pretty much the conclusion they reached - to not censor any package (as in: not allow any religious/political content), but to rather make sure that the description is not offensive to anyone. I'm bringing this up because I am wondering what the SWORD community can do to give a clearer impression of our motives and also to make sure that we use neutral language that is inviting, rather than Christian lingo that might cause conflicts (and I'm not saying that we do). Some things that were brought up against Sword that a clear information policy might have prevented: - Crosswire is trying to gain access to the openSUSE community in order to evangelize - the name Sword could be seen as a relic from a violent Christian past and such. Of course most of those arguments came out of sheer ignorance and the fact that those who uttered them did not even bother looking at the Crosswire web site at all, but nonetheless - I'm wondering if you who are in charge might not want to set up some guidelines for packagers and some official statements of purpose, maybe official package descriptions and such that packagers and other "ambassadors" might use in cases like that so that there are no misunderstandings and people don't see us in a bad light? There are some informative statements in this vein on the website already, but it might not hurt to think what can be improved to avoid any misconception about what SWORD is and wants is not and does not wants. Don't get me wrong, I do not mean to say that we should pay any attention to people who get "offended" by crosses in public settings and such. I'm nut sure those people can be helped at all. :-) I'm talking about the prevention of simple misunderstandings and just good PR. What do you think? God bless, Ben ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Difficult Greek question
The user has suggested another possible OCR error. The error report makes sense but the Sword Strongs module appears to contain the same as other Strongs I have checked on the internet. Here is the users's report: 03532 3532 Nikolaos nik-ol'-ah-os from 3534 and *2994*; victorious over the people; Nicolaus, a heretic:--Nicolaus. see GREEK for 3534 see GREEK for *2994* *The reference "2994" should read "2992"* (see below) 02994 2994 Laodikeus lah-od-ik-yooce' from 2993; a Laodicean, i.e. inhabitant of Laodicia:--Laodicean. see GREEK for 2993 02992 2992 laos lah-os' apparently a primary word; a people (in general; thus differing from 1218, which denotes one's own populace):--people. see GREEK for 1218 Regards Martin On 6 September 2011 09:41, Martin Denham wrote: > Thanks Karl, > > I believe the user was using StrongsGreek from the default repo rather than > StrongsRealGreek from the Xiphos repo so I will also raise a bug report for > the StrongsGreek module. > > Martin > > > On 5 September 2011 13:41, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > >> FYI, StrongsRealGreek in the Xiphos repo has been updated, version >> 1.4-110905, to reflect this fix (3156, ref 3164 => 3161) as well as a >> similar, previously reported glitch in 5043 (ref 5098 => 5088). >> >> ___ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> > > ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: Chinese Pinyin bible
Hi I've just submitted the updated module to be posted on the beta website. Attached here is the list of errors and corrections that was made to it. ChiPinYinErrors Description: Binary data שלום Yau Onn___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Discussion on sword inclusion on openSUSE mailing list
Your reported observations about the discussion seem to confirm the sentiments expressed by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law So what's new? David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Discussion-on-sword-inclusion-on-openSUSE-mailing-list-tp3819944p3820074.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] ISV Old Testament
There are two editions of the ISV (for the CadreBible version, at least). * The free ISV edition without footnotes or maps * The premium ISV edition with footnotes and maps Presumably, you have the MS Word file for the free edition only (so far)? Do you (or does anyone on this list) have direct contact with the webmaster for isv.org ? With several electronic editions being available for more than one platform, I find it hard to imagine that they'd have MS Word as their controlled electronic source text. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/ISV-Old-Testament-tp3818450p3820095.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Discussion on sword inclusion on openSUSE mailing list
Nice reminder! I did know about that "law" some time ago. Still, is there anything that can be done to make things clearer, like standard texts for packagers etc.? This was not just about silly Nazi comparisons. There were severe misunderstandings here, and a potentially misleading package description. Not to say the packager is to blame. As Christians, we ought always to be aware that we are in a non-Christian context where we have to have good "PR" (i.e. an good testimony that will draw people to Christ and make any lie they invent about us obvious). Am Samstag, 17. September 2011, 04:40:46 schrieb David Haslam: > Your reported observations about the discussion seem to confirm the > sentiments expressed by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law > > So what's new? > > David > > -- > View this message in context: > http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Discussion-on-sword-inclusion-on-open > SUSE-mailing-list-tp3819944p3820074.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing > list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] ISV Old Testament
On 9/17/11 4:52 AM, David Haslam wrote: There are two editions of the ISV (for the CadreBible version, at least). * The free ISV edition without footnotes or maps * The premium ISV edition with footnotes and maps Presumably, you have the MS Word file for the free edition only (so far)? Formerly, there was only one version available (with notes). To not include notes, you would have to specifically exclude them or be too lazy to do a proper conversion of the text. Now it looks like they have taken their Word docs down from the site--I'm not specifically sure why. Maybe it just moved, and I don't see it. Do you (or does anyone on this list) have direct contact with the webmaster for isv.org ? Sure. There are some email addresses on their website too. With several electronic editions being available for more than one platform, I find it hard to imagine that they'd have MS Word as their controlled electronic source text. It really is maintained in Word. I guess it made sense at the time they started translation, and I'm sure it suits their translation process fine. They also have PDFs, of course. ;) --Chris ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Difficult Greek question
Martin Denham writes: > The user has suggested another possible OCR error. The error report makes > sense but the Sword Strongs module appears to contain the same as other > Strongs I have checked on the internet. Here is the users's report: > 3532 Nikolaos nik-ol'-ah-os from 3534 and *2994*; victorious over the > people; Nicolaus, a heretic:--Nicolaus. see GREEK for 3534 see GREEK for > *2994* > *The reference 2994 should read 2992* OK, here's a fun conflict for us all. My print Strong's actually shows that 3532 refs 3534 and 2994. So that module, as well as my StrongsRealGreek, are true to print Strong's. On the other hand, NAS Greek Lexicon shows refs 3534 and 2992. I have to suggest that real Strong's has an actual misprint error, and that NAS has corrected this. 2992 seems clearly correct here. What should be done with this? Remain true to what originally appeared in Strong's or correct it per NAS? Perhaps correct it with a notation of the original error? I hardly know what to do with the difference in definitional commentary. Strong's: "Nicolaus, a heretic" NAS: "Nicolaus, a Christian, probably not connected with the sect bearing the same name" ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: Chinese Pinyin bible
Your list includes: Did you follow the examples given in the wiki page? http://crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles#Marking_Notes e.g. Especially for cross-reference notes. David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Chinese-Pinyin-bible-tp3803241p3820175.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: Chinese Pinyin bible
Did you review the versification for the ChiPinyin module? cf. The latest modules ChiUn & ChiUns in CrossWire Av11n now use Versification=NRSV Running emptyvss on the ChiPinyin module v1.080413 from Xiphos output 841 lines, only 35 of which were because of Mark 3 being missing. See attached http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/file/n3820197/ChiPinyin.emptyvss.txt ChiPinyin.emptyvss.txt David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Chinese-Pinyin-bible-tp3803241p3820197.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: Chinese Pinyin bible
Your list also included It's strange that the original module had a mismatch between the number of and tags. How did you resolve this difference? David -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Chinese-Pinyin-bible-tp3803241p3820210.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Difficult Greek question
On 9/17/11 5:55 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: Martin Denham writes: The user has suggested another possible OCR error. The error report makes sense but the Sword Strongs module appears to contain the same as other Strongs I have checked on the internet. Here is the users's report: 3532 Nikolaos nik-ol'-ah-os from 3534 and *2994*; victorious over the people; Nicolaus, a heretic:--Nicolaus. see GREEK for 3534 see GREEK for *2994* *The reference 2994 should read 2992* OK, here's a fun conflict for us all. My print Strong's actually shows that 3532 refs 3534 and 2994. So that module, as well as my StrongsRealGreek, are true to print Strong's. On the other hand, NAS Greek Lexicon shows refs 3534 and 2992. I have to suggest that real Strong's has an actual misprint error, and that NAS has corrected this. 2992 seems clearly correct here. What should be done with this? Remain true to what originally appeared in Strong's or correct it per NAS? Perhaps correct it with a notation of the original error? I just checked two print editions of Strong's, from different dates & publishers. Both have the correct 2992, so I think it's safe to correct. It's at least reasonable to assume your print edition is from the same publisher as these texts' print source, though. I hardly know what to do with the difference in definitional commentary. Strong's: "Nicolaus, a heretic" NAS: "Nicolaus, a Christian, probably not connected with the sect bearing the same name" Seems reasonable to me. Being a heretic presupposes being a Christian. The only difference is that the NAS Lexicon takes the position that this Nicolaus was not connected with the Nicolaitans, whereas Strong takes the position that he was. --Chris ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Difficult Greek question
Chris Little writes: > I just checked two print editions of Strong's, from different dates & > publishers. Both have the correct 2992, so I think it's safe to > correct. It's at least reasonable to assume your print edition is from the > same publisher as these texts' print source, though. FWIW, mine is from Hendrickson Publishers, Peabody, Massachusetts. StrongsRealGreek in the Xiphos repo has been updated and replaced. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] PocketSword for iPad
Hi Nick, Thanks! I'm using the new app on my iPad this morning. ;-) Any chance of Gen Book support soon? Many, many thanks. Blessings, Jeff -- View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/PocketSword-for-iPad-tp3800546p3820335.html Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Difficult Greek question
On 9/17/2011 8:55 AM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: Martin Denham writes: The user has suggested another possible OCR error. The error report makes sense but the Sword Strongs module appears to contain the same as other Strongs I have checked on the internet. Here is the users's report: 3532 Nikolaos nik-ol'-ah-os from 3534 and *2994*; victorious over the people; Nicolaus, a heretic:--Nicolaus. see GREEK for 3534 see GREEK for *2994* *The reference 2994 should read 2992* OK, here's a fun conflict for us all. My print Strong's actually shows that 3532 refs 3534 and 2994. So that module, as well as my StrongsRealGreek, are true to print Strong's. On the other hand, NAS Greek Lexicon shows refs 3534 and 2992. I have to suggest that real Strong's has an actual misprint error, and that NAS has corrected this. 2992 seems clearly correct here. What should be done with this? Remain true to what originally appeared in Strong's or correct it per NAS? Perhaps correct it with a notation of the original error? In my Strong' s Hebrew, I use notes like: 251number 250, corrected to 251 I hardly know what to do with the difference in definitional commentary. Strong's: "Nicolaus, a heretic" NAS: "Nicolaus, a Christian, probably not connected with the sect bearing the same name" ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Difficult Greek question
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 08:55:19AM -0400, Karl Kleinpaste wrote: > Martin Denham writes: > > The user has suggested another possible OCR error. The error report makes > > sense but the Sword Strongs module appears to contain the same as other > > Strongs I have checked on the internet. Here is the users's report: > > > 3532 Nikolaos nik-ol'-ah-os from 3534 and *2994*; victorious over the > > people; Nicolaus, a heretic:--Nicolaus. see GREEK for 3534 see GREEK for > > *2994* > > > *The reference 2994 should read 2992* > > OK, here's a fun conflict for us all. > > My print Strong's actually shows that 3532 refs 3534 and 2994. So that > module, as well as my StrongsRealGreek, are true to print Strong's. > > On the other hand, NAS Greek Lexicon shows refs 3534 and 2992. > > I have to suggest that real Strong's has an actual misprint error, and > that NAS has corrected this. 2992 seems clearly correct here. > > What should be done with this? Remain true to what originally appeared > in Strong's or correct it per NAS? Perhaps correct it with a notation > of the original error? > > I hardly know what to do with the difference in definitional commentary. > > Strong's: > "Nicolaus, a heretic" > NAS: > "Nicolaus, a Christian, probably not connected with the sect > bearing the same name" > I forwarded this to my pastor, who is a recent seminary graduate, and who is good enough at Greek that he was formally tutoring other seminary students while he was still a student. FWIW, here's his reply: I guess I don't understand the question. I think whoever pointed out that error is correct, since the second part of the name "Nikolaos" corresponds to two root words, the latter of which is "laos", NOT "Laodikeos", as the number apparently indicates. It seems like a typographic error - the wrong reference number used for the concordance. OR, as someone seemed to have already pointed out, it's possible they were looking up the reference #'s in the wrong edition of the concordance. -- Fred Smith -- fre...@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us - The Lord detests the way of the wicked but he loves those who pursue righteousness. - Proverbs 15:9 (niv) - ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] Discussion on sword inclusion on openSUSE mailing list
On 17 September 2011 12:56, Benjamin Misja wrote: > Nice reminder! I did know about that "law" some time ago. Still, is there > anything that can be done to make things clearer, like standard texts for > packagers etc.? Example wording: "sword - a shared library and utilities to read and process e-books, maps, commentaries and dictionaries in various formats including vpl, etc..." while it is designed to fit biblical texts, nothing prevents from encoding any other type of literary texts using these formats. Ps. similar discussion were raised when I proposed sword+xiphos/bibletime for default inclusion into Edubuntu (look in edubuntu-devel mailing list archives 1-3 years old, can't be bothered to find a link now). It was relatively calm, but straight away the answer was "will not include by default, too biased or very sensitive topic". At least it is available directly from the archive ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
Re: [sword-devel] CLucene Compatibility
On 17/09/2011, at 3:07 AM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: > This was the core argument against making indices distributable and > downloadable. I know that this has the potential for some issues, and I have engineered this into PS so that when we move clucene versions, I can hit a switch and invalidate all the search modules that the users have downloaded and require them to download new ones. It's a pain, but basically I'm just letting you know that this won't be too much of a problem for PS... :) ___ sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
