Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.net

[Troy A. Griffitts]

I know many other collaboration frameworks were discussed and this email 
is not meant to discourage their use, and I realize Bibletime mentioned 
they went with OFTC for IRC, and I don't mean to disagree with their 
decision...


Preparing for these conferences this week, I found that our "chat with 
us" link on our website was pointing to a defunct freenode channel.  My 
very very brief research seems to show most of freenode now moving to 
libera.chat.  I also noticed that many of our regular chat users ended 
up over there so I modified our web chat link, and thus our recommended 
IRC channel to point to libera.chat:


https://web.libera.chat/?nick=Guest?#sword

This link shows up in the conference promotion, so if you have time to 
monitor the channel this week and patiently support newcomers with 
questions, your efforts would be greatly appreciated.


Troy


On 5/21/21 01:21, Jaak Ristioja wrote:
Since my original notice generated a long but an unrelated thread 
about the future of the #sword channel under the same e-mail subject 
header, I want to reassure everyone interested in BibleTime 
development that we don't have any plans to move away from IRC at this 
point and active BibleTime developers will continue hang around in the 
#bibletime IRC channel on OFTC.


For regular BibleTime support/questions or if using IRC is a bar too 
high for you, the BibleTime developers can still be contacted via 
GitHub issues or the bt-devel mailing list.


Thank you for your attention! :)

J

On 19.05.21 21:39, Jaak Ristioja wrote:

Hello!

Due to the recent changes at Freenode [1] we have moved the 
#bibletime IRC channel to the OFTC IRC network.


Please see https://www.oftc.net/ for connection details.


Best regards,
J


[1]: https://lwn.net/Articles/856543/
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Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.net

[Jaak Ristioja]

Since my original notice generated a long but an unrelated thread about 
the future of the #sword channel under the same e-mail subject header, I 
want to reassure everyone interested in BibleTime development that we 
don't have any plans to move away from IRC at this point and active 
BibleTime developers will continue hang around in the #bibletime IRC 
channel on OFTC.


For regular BibleTime support/questions or if using IRC is a bar too 
high for you, the BibleTime developers can still be contacted via GitHub 
issues or the bt-devel mailing list.


Thank you for your attention! :)

J

On 19.05.21 21:39, Jaak Ristioja wrote:

Hello!

Due to the recent changes at Freenode [1] we have moved the #bibletime 
IRC channel to the OFTC IRC network.


Please see https://www.oftc.net/ for connection details.


Best regards,
J


[1]: https://lwn.net/Articles/856543/
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Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.net

[Nic Carter]

Besides Discord not being FOSS, Discord is a great choice. They have expanded 
it to be useful for much more than just gaming now.

It does allow different nicknames for different servers. I haven’t tried, but I 
have connected to people through it who suddenly have different names depending 
on if I DM them or chat to them on a specific server! 藍

I love the ease-of-use of it and the fact it works on any device, including 
simply in a web browser, and remembers your read/unread status of messages. And 
allows voice. And allows screen sharing.

Sent from my phone, hence this email may be short...

> On 21/05/2021, at 05:04, Karl Kleinpaste  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 5/20/21 12:55 PM, Greg Hellings wrote:
>> Is this a time to consider a move to an alternative platform altogether?
> 
> I find Discord usable for several purposes. Is it possible to have different 
> names per Discord "server"?
> 
> I'm not going to do anything about the current  #xiphos for a bit just yet.
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Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.net

[Greg Hellings]

On Thu, May 20, 2021, 13:46 ref...@gmx.net  wrote:

> I think the problem will be to find something with similar longevity,
> simplicity and ease to IRC. Does this even exist?


That really depends on how we see "ease of use"? I find it ponderously
difficult to use IRC in my daily flow. Especially as I frequently rebuild
and reimage machines and need to either backup or reconfigure my client
config every time. A non technical user might find it hilariously difficult
to find us on Freenode or elsewhere.

If we're going to discuss moving, we should define what we want the
platform to be. Is it a place for users to find us? Then it should have
unauthenticated, web access. Is it a place for developers and admins to
congregate for high value communication? It should support notifications
and server side persistent messages. Do we also want it to support VOIP?
Video calls? Screen sharing?

Does it need to be self hosted? Does it need to be libre or is gratis
enough?

Before we decide on a tech, if we're making a change, then we should define
our wants and needs.

--Greg

>
>
> Peter
>
> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird
> autocorrects.
>
>
> -------- Original Message ----
> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.net
> From: Greg Hellings
> To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
> CC:
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:04 PM Karl Kleinpaste 
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/20/21 12:55 PM, Greg Hellings wrote:
>>
>> Is this a time to consider a move to an alternative platform altogether?
>>
>>
>> I find Discord usable for several purposes. Is it possible to have
>> different names per Discord "server"?
>>
>
> Personally I only use it for one purpose (video games), but I'm on two
> channels. As for the different nicks... I *think* so? Not been using it
> much or for long.
>
> --Greg
>
>
>> I'm not going to do anything about the current  #xiphos for a bit just
>> yet.
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Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.net

[ref...@gmx.net]

I think the problem will be to find something with similar longevity, simplicity and ease to IRC. Does this even exist? PeterSent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird autocorrects. Original Message Subject: Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.netFrom: Greg Hellings To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum CC: On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:04 PM Karl Kleinpaste  wrote:
  

  
  
On 5/20/21 12:55 PM, Greg Hellings
  wrote:

Is
  this a time to consider a move to an alternative platform
  altogether?

I find Discord usable for several purposes.
  Is it possible to have different names per Discord "server"?Personally I only use it for one purpose (video games), but I'm on two channels. As for the different nicks... I *think* so? Not been using it much or for long.--Greg
  
  I'm not going to do anything about the current  #xiphos for a bit
  just yet.

  

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Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.net

[Greg Hellings]

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 12:04 PM Karl Kleinpaste 
wrote:

> On 5/20/21 12:55 PM, Greg Hellings wrote:
>
> Is this a time to consider a move to an alternative platform altogether?
>
>
> I find Discord usable for several purposes. Is it possible to have
> different names per Discord "server"?
>

Personally I only use it for one purpose (video games), but I'm on two
channels. As for the different nicks... I *think* so? Not been using it
much or for long.

--Greg


> I'm not going to do anything about the current  #xiphos for a bit just yet.
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Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.net

[Karl Kleinpaste]

On 5/20/21 12:55 PM, Greg Hellings wrote:
> Is this a time to consider a move to an alternative platform altogether?

I find Discord usable for several purposes. Is it possible to have
different names per Discord "server"?

I'm not going to do anything about the current  #xiphos for a bit just yet.
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Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.net

[Greg Hellings]

Not to my knowledge. If much/most of the staff is moving to libera and,
from what I've heard, a number of the hardware backers are as well, I
imagine all of them are going to be unstable for a while until the new
owner spins up and trains replacement hardware and staff on Freenode.

Is this a time to consider a move to an alternative platform altogether?
Something like Matrix, which is FOSS, but supports modern uses such as
multiple user connections, server-side history, offline messages, plus
Video/VOIP for when we want to do another video chat like we did a few
weeks back. It also supports bridging to connect to IRC, so we don't have
to make a purely either/or decision.

--Greg

On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 10:47 AM Karl Kleinpaste 
wrote:

> Is there any reason to believe oftc.net (or any other) would be superior
> to libera.chat in quality/population/visibility/ease-of-use?
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Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.net

[Karl Kleinpaste]

Is there any reason to believe oftc.net (or any other) would be superior
to libera.chat in quality/population/visibility/ease-of-use?
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Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.net

[Greg Hellings]

All of the FOSS communities I'm connected to and listening in on through
work are moving to libera.chat, following the biggest section of the staff
from Freenode.

--Greg

On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 5:10 PM Karl Kleinpaste  wrote:

> First I saw mention of libera.chat in existing freenode #sword. Now I see
> ofte.net.
> I don't have an opinion about them because I know nothing of either.
>
> But could we gain some consensus *before* jumping overboard?
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Re: [sword-devel] #bibletime is now on irc.oftc.net

[Karl Kleinpaste]

First I saw mention of libera.chat in existing freenode #sword. Now I
see ofte.net.
I don't have an opinion about them because I know nothing of either.

But could we gain some consensus /before/ jumping overboard?
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