Re: t-and-f: 'Mere mortals' see Greene join gods
I was surprised to hear that NBC hadn't shown the event before I posted the on the subject (perhaps I shouldn't be too surprised, as far as I know, NBC still hasn't shown the finals of the men's and women's 5,000m from Atlanta!). Sincerest apologies, and I'll be sure to avoid putting a result in the subject matter for the remainder of the Games. Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 9:59 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: 'Mere mortals' see Greene join gods There's nothing like waiting 16+ hours and then 20 minutes before the race see the subject header read "Mere mortals see Greene join gods." I thought Results in the subject header weren't supposed to happen...Anyway, I really appreciate it.
Re: t-and-f: 'Mere mortals' see Greene join gods
Thank you. As someone else on the list pointed out, NBC seems to show American success stories late at night. The men's 100m final wasn't shown here (Denver, Co) until about 10:50pm. I was surprised to hear that NBC hadn't shown the event before I posted the on the subject (perhaps I shouldn't be too surprised, as far as I know, NBC still hasn't shown the finals of the men's and women's 5,000m from Atlanta!). Sincerest apologies, and I'll be sure to avoid putting a result in the subject matter for the remainder of the Games. Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com
t-and-f: Harrison's 44.25...
Listers, I'm surprised that no one has yet to comment on how easy Harrison's 44.25 looked in the quarterfinal. He didn't run as conservatively as he admitted to be running, but impressive nonetheless. I think the world will final get to see another 43 without Michael Johnson's name next to it. I'm wondering how much of a run can he give MJ in the final? Larry A. Morgan Elizabeth Heat TC
Re: t-and-f: Be quiet Carol!
Wait a sec. What is this "It looked like she jumped. An official should have called it back"? There are electronic sensors. Isn't it beyond the right of an official to recall a start, absent a complete electronic failure? So what it looked like is not only irrelevant, it may not be accurate. David
RE: t-and-f: what happened in the walks
Please continue reporting. Many readers are interested. I do agree taht of Robert K pulls off the double it is going to be one of the most impressive feats in what is called athletics worldwide. UG _ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Rohl Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 11:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Track Posts Subject: t-and-f: what happened in the walks Netters Despite my growing frustration with having to seemingly defend daily an event that has been in the Olympics since 1908, I will continue to try to provide intelligent, explanatory information about what has been happening or did happen in the walks. For those who like my posts read on. For those who don't mostly young Americans - try to be less provincial - there are Europeans on this list who do care. And please if you want to bash the walks send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guarantee if you want a response you will get one there. By now you all heard that Bernardo Segura was DQed after the race. He was dqed for loss of contact and it appears he got his third and final call going down hill into the stadium. At no point did the man "break into a run." I said before the race, anyone making a big move then would have to have outstanding technique. Segura does not always have the best thechnique. So how did this happen and who is to blame? Segura. he took a chance - he knew going into the stadium he had two reds. But he went for the Gold - guess it was win or nothing for him, after all he has been world cup champ, world record holder, and Olympic Bronze medalist. Of course afterwards there is the usual rukus about it all, but in the end it is nothing new to the sport. There are always DQ's and that is part of what the event is about. Now how about those picks of mine? It was more then a gut feeling to pick Robert K. I was sure he would win and Jefferson 4th. I got the wrong Russian. WHat happened to the guy I picked for second - he made a rookie mistake - he started to push to early in the race. When RK went for it at 14k he should have either just followed or waited but instead he was stride for stride fighting the whole way. Walking is a lot about rythm and setting a pace which is just about the same effort, in regards to stride rate and heart rate that a 10k runner puts out - only for 50 more minutes. A guy who can walk 1:18 can get himself into a whole lot of trouble by coming through in 39:30 and then dropping in a series of 3:50 km surges. If you don't think that's going to spike the lactate and put the world of hurt on a guy then you haven't seen it happen. Same thing with the German, Erm. except his was trying to lead to early. RK is old and tuff and ultimately an even better 50k walker so he can do things like set an early pace and surge away with just under 30 minutes to go in a race. Since I mentioned it, RK is in the 50k as well and I have felt all year he will win that too. IF he does I am afraid that what maybe the one of the three greatest track and field doubles will go largely unnoticed on the list. IF he does he should be a lock for AOY but not in this world I completely missed the Mexicans - don't know where they were hiding all year. Already mentioned what happened to Tim. Also past power houses, Spain, Italy, France, and to some extent the Russians and Other Russian Republics all down a bit. I have my thoughts as to why but need not express them here. Aussies had a fine team showing. Good Training, Michael Rohl
RE: t-and-f: Abdi
He qualified for the final! _- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian McGuire Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 1:11 AM To: T n F List Subject: t-and-f: Abdi I didn't see anything on Abdi Abdirahman in the 10,000. Anybody know anything? Brian McGuire
RE: t-and-f: Pay respect to Zelezny today (to those who have not yet)
I agree that Zelezny is the greatest thrower ever. Some would still like to claim this for Orter (although I don't think that's the case) or Pary O'Brien and several Finns would contend that despite everything that has happened over the last 60 years, Matti Jarvinen is still above all other throwers (javelin and else). I am aware of the extent of injury that Zelezny has been nursing for probably a little over a decade. His success in returning from an apparent point of no return is an incomparable feat. UG __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of andrew mcdonagh Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Pay respect to Zelezny today(to those who have not yet) Jan Zelezny 3 golds, 1 silver in 4 olympics,(lost gold in 88 by 2 inches on last throw) 2 world champs 93,95,99 bronze 98m48 world record, # 2 best thrower is 93m His top 100 throws average over 90m! 13 years at the top (Wr back in 87) Overcame big time injuries (back, shoulder etc) 6', 187 lbs I really think this Gold puts him for sure ahead of Janis Lusis, Sedyck etc Pay your respects to the greatest thrower ever. He has all the ingredients for one of the best track athletes ever: Dominance Long career Won the big ones (WC, Olympics) Rules the all time lists World records comebacks If there was a greatest calculator where you could enter all the relevent information I don't think many would be ahead of him. Andrew McDonagh _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: t-and-f: CJ Hunter tests positive
Thomas Graham wrote: Injuries may not have been the only thing that kept Mr Marion Jones out of the Sydney Games. http://www.news.com.au is breaking news that drug tests taken in Norway in July have shown the presence of two steroids. have read the article .. This is incredible .. Does anyone have any idea what this does to Marion for the rest of the week ?? Whether she has or hasn't the immediate suspicion is going to be there .. Will she receive an interview like Inga de Bruijn, accusing her of drug use as well ?? And is that a good assumption ?? Since it seems few are talking about it so far (can find no one on the news mentioning it) does anyone know the validity of the story / test ?? Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: Jones' lead: 7-8 meters at half distance
Yesterday, on NBC, I heard the following unforgettable "pearl" by the commentator: By 50 meters Marion was already leading the field by 7-8 meters. No comment. UG
RE: t-and-f: First Auto Timing
Used as early as 1932 in Los Angeles. But I don't know if they had them in 1936. Official times were determined on the basis of hand measurements only, through 1960 (Rome) Examples of major distortion: Remigino, McKenly, MacDonald Bailey and Smith running slower than 10.70 in Helsinki but all four being timed in 10.4... compare this to Bobby Morrow in Melbourne 1956 who, although running much faster )10.62 in adverse climate condition) was given only 10.5 seconds. In 1948 there occurred an even a greater distortion, as the 4th finisher in the women's 200m was awarded the bronze medal! that was not discovered until some 30-odd years later, when Bob Sparks, the outgoing ATFS president, went through all the files and photo-finishes, heats and finals, of old Olympic games. Then in 1964, it was decided to subtract 0.05 seconds from the electronic times before rounding them OFF (not up! But to the nearest tenth! Rounding up was implemented later). For example, Hayes' wind aided 9.91 became "9.9" and his 10.05 in the finals, 10.0. At least they have, by then gotten the difference between runners straight. The same "deltas" were applied in Mexico City 1968 (Hines' 9.95 became 9.90 and 9.9, Smith's 19.83, less 0.05 was 19.78, rounded off to 19.8, but for Lee Evans' 43.86, an adjusted time of 43.81 became 43.8 and recognized as WR for a few years as 43.8). These were all apparent underestimates of "equivalent hand times, since with the possible exception of UK judges, at most other places the finish line time was taken "with anticipation" (wrong practice). In fact, in Munich a972, a Giessen university team found the m e a n difference between electronic and hand timing to be 0.14 for runs where the start and finish are in the same spot (400,800,10,000). and 0.24 seconds in others. Beginning in 1972, the times in the Olympic competition were given in hundredth. Beginning 1974, I think (I have to verify that one) IAAF began demand hundredths of a second and electronic timing to recognize WRs up to 400m - but not (yet) for the longer distances. UG -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Eckmann, Drew Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 6:06 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: t-and-f: First Auto Timing Does anyone know/remember when auto timing was first used at the Olympics and also when it was first 'officially' used as the standard at the Olympics. Thanks./Drew
Re: t-and-f: Be Thankful
From: Ray Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ray Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Field List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Be Thankful Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:40:32 -0700 Hey, After watching the swimming coverage I think we should be thankful that the woman interviewing the swimmers after their races isn't heading over to the track; not that Jim Gray is much better. Who asks someone right after they finish a race if they're taking drugs? C -Ray Cook But what makes it even more ridiculous is that it's really not even a question... like what do you expect an athlete to say? "well , i know i shouldn't tell you guys this, but since you asked here's the kind of cycles i've been using." whether they're on or not the answer is going to be "no". --Kebba _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: t-and-f: Be quiet Carol! (contains also something on the high jump finals- don't read if you don't want to know yet).
Good comments and an indication that Carol Lewis is ignorant. The reaction that counts is to the pistol, not how sooner than Marion Jones anyone moved. One knows N O T H I N G about the legality of a start just by looking at the feet of 8 starters. In a country that produces the world's fastest runners, it is time to find somebody who can rd us of that nonsense. Anybody noticed that the "wrong" Russian won the high jump and places 2 to 6th were all awarded for clearing the same height and decided on false tries? UG __ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Be quiet Carol! Wait a sec. What is this "It looked like she jumped. An official should have called it back"? There are electronic sensors. Isn't it beyond the right of an official to recall a start, absent a complete electronic failure? So what it looked like is not only irrelevant, it may not be accurate. David
RE: t-and-f: 'Mere mortals' see Greene join gods
Why do I get the feeling that those who go to the internet NOT for the results are the same ones who set their clocks ahead five minutes in an attempt to "get more time"? Keep the results coming. I really appreciate it. malmo!TM Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics Subject: Re: t-and-f: 'Mere mortals' see Greene join gods There's nothing like waiting 16+ hours and then 20 minutes before the race see the subject header read "Mere mortals see Greene join gods." I thought Results in the subject header weren't supposed to happen...Anyway, I really appreciate it.
Re: t-and-f: First Auto Timing
the first use of the photo finish was in 1912 at the stockholm games for the 1500 meters. bob
t-and-f: Bad weather in Sydney
Netters: I don't think it is breaking the rule on putting results on this list before NBC deigns to show the event if I reveal that while we are watching various Saturday action in prefect weather, it was actually pouring today in Sydney, or at least so my abouyt-to-be-13 granddaughter told me a few minutes ago when we called to offer her congratulations. I warned her not to tell me any results, but she did pass on the weather report. Ed Grant
Re: t-and-f: Tandem Agony
In a message dated 9/24/00 10:16:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the javelin catch would generate a lot more interest from the U.S. public. Unfortunately, that's a dying art;-) Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: Olympic Flash
Latest news from Sydney. The IOC has agreed to add a new sport to TF to make it more palatable to World audiencesthe Synchronized Hammer throw. Two contestants must throw a hammer in exact synchronicity from circles 50 feet apart. The implements must cross over each other and land the same distance away. Extra points will be awarded if the hammers collide. Inger Miller was not injured! She was banned from the 100 run. Inger apparently watched the women's swimming earlier in the week and at the start of the 100 she spat in Marion Jones' lane. It took 16 Aussie security guards to tackle a charging C.J. four feet short of Inger. 8 of the guards are in traction at a local hospital. One of them, Jay Goodonya, was quoted as saying: "Frankly if it had been my missus I would have let the wanker through." Marty Liquori, thinking he was off the air during the woman's marathon, was heard to exclaim: "Calling this race is like trying to read a Yokohama Rice Bowl menu!" Phil Wyckoff
t-and-f: Obadele takes Chambers to school
Hats off to Obadele Thompson for putting on a clinic on how to finish a 100 meter race. Dwain Chambers of the UK misjudged the finish line, and dipped and stumbled at the first white line that he crossed at the end of the race. Costing himself a probable bronze medal. Obadele kept his composure and maintained his form, running all the way through the line in textbook form - and putting himself on the medal stand. So many tight races are lost when the competitors start to anticipate the finish line, dipping etc. - all of which actually slows them down. One should always keep a cool head and run to an imaginary point 5 or 10 meters past the line, though it is easier said than done. And always walk the course first, so that you know where the 100M finish line actually is - many sprint competitors do not have a clue where the finish stripe is actually located on the track, and the days of the finishing ribbon are long since gone in the sprints. Chambers appeared to belong in the I don't know where it is category - Oba did not. Still, Chambers has a good shot at a medal in the sprint relay. Tony Craddock
t-and-f: High Jump Finals
Uri Goldbourt wrote (Be quiet, Carol!), slightly edited: "Anybody noticed that (blank blank blank) won the high jump and places 2 to 6th were all awarded for clearing the same height and decided on false tries?" I'm not sure what time NBC is showing this. CBC had live coverage. The reason for this unusual result was that after one jumper had cleared 2.35m, torrential rains began. Incidentally, two other advantages of CBC coverage, in addition to their real-time broadcasting: I believe they showed every jump of the competition, although they were alternating between the high jump and women's tower diving, so some jumps were tape-delayed by a few minutes; and Geoff Gowans', calm, knowledgable commentary may be the best anywhere in track and field. Cheers, Roger
t-and-f: Boulder runners 1-2 in Oly marathon
By Michael Sandrock Camera Sports Writer Boulder-trained runners won gold and silver in the women's Olympic marathon Sunday morning in Sydney, Australia, as Japan's Naoko Takahashi dropped Romanian Lidia Simon at roughly the 22-mile mark of the 26.2-mile race before pulling away for the win. It was the first-ever woman's marathon gold medal for tradition-rich Japan; Yuko Arimori, who now lives in Boulder, won silver and bronze marathon medals for Japan in the last two Olympics. Takahashi spends about nine months a year in Boulder with her teammates from the Tokyo-based Sekisui corporate team. The runners live in a house off Jay Road in north Boulder. Two of Takahashi's Sekisui teammates are scheduled to compete in this morning's Boulder Backroads Marathon. All are coached by Kodei San, who has been bringing his runners to Boulder for nearly a decade. entire article located @: http://thedailycamera.com/sports/misc/24snaoko.html == "It's the perfect time of year/Somewhere far away from here" - Barenaked Ladies _ i-run.com - your running log A free online running log
t-and-f: USATF statement on Hunter
Has USATF issued a release on the allegations against CJ Hunter? I haven't seen one. What's going on out there? Thanks, Schiefer
t-and-f: Salon: Olympic colors
Just can't remember if this topic has ever been covered on the list. Oh well, if not, listmember Jon Entine shares his views on genetics and performance in this Salon.com article... [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Olympic colors It's obvious that blacks dominate certain sports while whites dominate others. Why can't we talk openly about the genetics of athletic excellence? - - - - - - - - - - - - By Jon Entine Sep. 23, 2000 | It's Kenya's national sport, the passion of the masses. Little boys dream that one day, they might soak up the cheers of the adoring fans that regularly crowd the stands at the National Stadium in Nairobi. The best players are national icons. The selection process to spot the great stars begins at a very young age. Coaches backed by federal outlays comb the countryside to find the next generation of potential athletes. The most promising of the lot are sent to special schools and provided extra coaching. It's not an exaggeration to call Kenya's national sport a kind of national religion. According to conventional and socially acceptable wisdom, this is a familiar story -- the sure cultural explanation for the phenomenal success of Kenyan distance runners. There's only one problem: The national sport, the hero worship, the adoring fans, the social channeling -- that all speaks to Kenya's enduring love affair with not running, but soccer. Despite the enormous success of Kenyan runners in the past 15 years, running remains a relative afterthought in this soccer-crazed nation. Remainder of article may be found at: http://www.salon.com/news/sports/olympics/2000/09/23/race/index.html
Re: t-and-f: Harrison's 44.25...
Alvin is an idiot, running way faster than he has to in preliminary rounds - he has a history of this. I doubt that MJ is going to be intimidated by this. Nor is he going to be the one who is exhausted by the time the Final comes around. Remember at Seoul that Edwin Moses blew it out in the semi-final trying to get a good lane in the Final, and had to settle for a bronze. Tony Craddock At 08:42 AM 9/24/00 -0700, Conway wrote: Listers, I'm surprised that no one has yet to comment on how easy Harrison's 44.25 looked in the quarterfinal. He didn't run as conservatively as he admitted to be running, but impressive nonetheless. I think the world will final get to see another 43 without Michael Johnson's name next to it. I'm wondering how much of a run can he give MJ in the final? Yes .. It looks like we may finally have a real race .. And it will be with MJ's own style no less .. And yes Harrison has changed his style .. Conway Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: t-and-f: marathon temperature?
Marathon started at 9am Sydney time yesterday and finishing temp was 21.4 degrees celsius (70.5f) with 57% relative humidity. Regards - GT - http://homepages.go.com/~oztrack -Original Message- From: Tim Willis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 25 September 2000 2:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: marathon temperature? Everyone: I am trying to find out from someone what the temperature was throughout the women's marathon? I saw on NBC that the temperature was 57 at race start. What time did the marathon actually start, Sydney time and what was the finishing temperature? Thanks in advanced, Sydney is Here, Tim Willis
Re: t-and-f: Why, why, why?
I would agree with you totaly, but at the same time I guess I would rather see it later than never?? as one might normaly expect when it comes to distance events. Kurt Decker _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
t-and-f: Tragedy compounded
Netters: During the summer, I posted a notice on the tragic death of Middletown South senior-elect Casie Kewrr, who would have been the lead girl on their CC team this fall. I learned two things over the weekend which compunded this tragedy. The first was how the accident happened. Casie was driving out of parking lot after a workout when her car was hit. The girl driving the other car was herself a runner, recent graduate of a Middlesex County school (that is next to Monmouth where MS is loctaed) and, when she got out to look into the other car, immediatelty recognized Casie as someone she had run against last season. That is a tragic coincidence, of course, but there is more that is not coincidental. It was (is) the intent of the Eagle runners to wear something this year to memorialize that lost teammate. Unfortunately, instead of going right ahead with their plans, a call was put into our state assocuation and they were told that any such alteration of the school uniform could be read as a violation of the uniform rule and result in disqualification. This is not necessarily true, however, Too many NJ teams have had to wear such memorial items in recent years, one of them actually sewing the item into the uniform shirts so that athletes are still wearing them more than two years after the death of their beloved coach (who died of cancer at a very young age). Sometimes, I really can't figure out what makes these athletics administrators tick. Ed Grant
t-and-f: 5 US track athletes tested positive at Seoul Olympics - de Merode
Excerpt from a Reuters News release about the CJ Hunter drug positives. De Merode also told reporters that five American athletes had competed at the 1988 Olympics in Seoul despite failing dope tests before the Games. He said they had failed out-of-competition tests in the United States but that American officials had never passed on the results to the IOC. Asked if he felt a cover-up had taken place, he said: Yes, certainly. I don't know if something like that has happened this time but it would not surprise me. It would not be the first time. De Merode said he could not name the athletes involved in Seoul and did not know whether they had been medallists. REUTERS Reut20:44 09-24-00 Tony Craddock
Re: t-and-f: Insignificant Sports or Events in the Olympic Games
A basic problem is that popularity isn't constant. A hundred years ago, the walks were among the most popular events in our sport. Until Edwin Moses, the 400 hurdles was ignored by most. Before Altanta, Garry Hill sugested eliminating the 200 (among other events) from track meets aimed at spectators. I agree with those who say we have to trim the time length of many of our meets and not have every event at every meet. But I disagree that we should eliminate events altogether from the sport. One of our strengths is that we can always headline something different. Done right the variety can be useful on the publicity front. Who would have guessed, for example, that the women's vault would be such a crowd pleaser? Ed Koch -Original Message- From: Ed Dana Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 22, 2000 5:55 PM Subject: Re: t-and-f: "Insignificant" Sports or Events in the Olympic Games After 3 years on this list I am finally going to enlighten all of you with some comments. I do not mean to offend anyone or demean any sport or event, but man you gotta be kidding me! A previous post by Matt Smith hits this on the head! One event that really gets to me is those gosh darn walking events. Competing in the NAIA for 4 years I was introduced to this since it was an event at the National meet. What a way to be an All-American! I mean are there more than 10 people who care? Get rid of this crap! And this goes for all those other events that make no sense. The problem is where do you draw the line? Does this mean the value of a sport is a direct correlation with the number of people who care about it? Why bother having any track events except the 100 meters and the mile (arguably the two most popular)? And who decides - you? Or maybe the argument is that some of these other sports don't make sense. I sometimes agree, but then again, the fiberglass pole vault (my favorite TF event) and the 16lb shot put don't either. By this definition, walking might even make more sense. After all, the development of the human race over the millenia owes a lot to the ability to walk quickly for hours or days and somewhat less to the ability to run 100 meters as quickly as possible. If you don't want to watch the other events, I'd suggest that you don't. It's too bad that something which should have no relevence to your ability to compete and/or be a fan seems to matter so much to you. - Ed Parrot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: Harrison's 44.25...
In a message dated 00-09-24 19:46:58 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alvin is an idiot, running way faster than he has to in preliminary rounds - he has a history of this. I doubt that MJ is going to be intimidated by this. I'm sure Michael won't be intimidated, but I believe that Alvin is ready to do something special tonight, weather permitting. It's another cool day in Sydney, with showers a possibility. I don't know if these have been posted to the list, but here are the lane assignments: 1.Mackowiak 2.Parrela 3.McFarlane 4.Harrison 5.Pettigrew 6.Johnson 7.Mokganyetsi 8.Haughton. Walt Murphy
t-and-f: 1500 Heat results LJ qualifying
Careful, NBC'ers, results below . . . . . . . . . . . . . Guess who showed up for the 1500 heats and had the 2nd fastest time in the first round? One Noureddine Morceli. I knew he was entered, but didn't really expect him to show. Could be interesting (he finished behind Ngeny in the 3rd and fastest heat). All 3 Americans thru to the semis. Also check out the LJ qualifying: Only 2 automatic qualifiers, and Beckford, Lister, Stringfellow, and Streete-Thompson all failed to advance. The other American, Phillips, had the 3nd longest jump in qualifying. THis is a strange OG . . . Coty Pinckney[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: t-and-f: High Jump Finals
I second Roger's comments. I can't remember ever watching a field event on TV where virtually every jump of every jumper was shown. What was funny in one way, was the camera stayed on the HJ even as other races were going on showing the frustration of some HJ's who had to wait for the 400IH heats to run by before they could jump. Jump after jump with few breaks and few commericals. Don't know about Roger, but I have pretty much forgot about NBC in the evening. I watch or tape CBC in the evening during the Syndey morning events then tape CBC from 1:30 to 7:00 and watch later. This morning looks like it could be the biggest night of track I have ever seen on TV. CBC says there showing everything. By the way Roger, the weather looked alot like the KU Relays right! phil weishaar chapman kansas
t-and-f: CJ Hunter tests positive
I had heard this story as a "rumor" about a week back. The way the story went, CJ was told to take a seat with an injury, to avoid having Marion's name dragged through the mud with HIS positive test. I dismissed it as strictly rumor, but when you hear IAAF officials accusing the USATF of covering up positives in the past, it certainly makes you wonder. Brian McGuire
t-and-f: Marion Jones drug test in HS
Well let's not forget that Marion Jones is in fact no stranger to drug controversies, having been suspended by TAC while in High School for missing a mandatory drug test. OJ Simpson's attorney Johnnie Cochran was the one who represented her at the hearing. Tony Craddock _ I lived in Los Angeles at the time, and was professionally acquainted with Jones' coach at Rio Mesa (Brian Fitzgerald, who had some other notable sprinters come out of his program). The way I remember it, Marion was summoned during school hours and was unaware of the severity of the request. She pretty much blew it off, then was surprised when TAC got all bent out of shape about it. Cochran entered the picture and the non-issue was dropped. No one at the time had any notion that she was using something. It was mostly a case of poor communication (nah, our NGB has NEVER done that before, have they? :-) /// Mike Trujillo, Angeleno-in-exile Asst. Girl's Track Field Coach Davenport (Iowa) Central HS (319) 391-5448 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\
t-and-f: CJ Hunter tests positive and more rumor
While we're on the subject of rumors, the one that is currently going around within the "inner circles" is that Regina Jacobs has been "Flo-Joed". That is, she was found to be dirty at the trials and given the option of retiring rather than suspended. If true, she will likely announce she is retiring after the games. Now, before the weenies out there get their panties in a bunch, let me repeat: THIS IS JUST THE RUMOR, not proven fact. Don't give me that lame "if it's rumor, then don't report it" retort, either. Most truths don't get uncovered without a jump-start from rumors and speculation. And recent comments by IAAF representatives bolsters long-running claims of past and ongoing complicity within the USATF. If such claims prove to be be true, resignations should follow. Agreed? Let the flames begin. malmo!TM Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics I had heard this story as a "rumor" about a week back. The way the story went, CJ was told to take a seat with an injury, to avoid having Marion's name dragged through the mud with HIS positive test. I dismissed it as strictly rumor, but when you hear IAAF officials accusing the USATF of covering up positives in the past, it certainly makes you wonder. Brian McGuire
RE: t-and-f: Marion Jones drug test in HS
Perfectly reasonable and believable analysis of what happened, Mike. Let's not convict Marion for the sins of her spouse. After all Richard Slaney never tested positive, did he? malmo!TM Another self-anointed "award-winning" pundit for the Sydney2000TM Olympics I lived in Los Angeles at the time, and was professionally acquainted with Jones' coach at Rio Mesa (Brian Fitzgerald, who had some other notable sprinters come out of his program). The way I remember it, Marion was summoned during school hours and was unaware of the severity of the request. She pretty much blew it off, then was surprised when TAC got all bent out of shape about it. Cochran entered the picture and the non-issue was dropped. No one at the time had any notion that she was using something. It was mostly a case of poor communication (nah, our NGB has NEVER done that before, have they? :-) /// Mike Trujillo, Angeleno-in-exile Asst. Girl's Track Field Coach Davenport (Iowa) Central HS (319) 391-5448 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\
t-and-f: IAAF statement on Hunter
SYDNEY, Sept 25 (Reuters) - Following is the statement issued by the International Amateur Athletic Federation (IAAF) on Monday about the positive dope test on world shot put champion C.J. Hunter: The IAAF confirms that shot putter C.J. Hunter of the United states has tested positive for a banned substance within the IAAF control system. The case is being referred to USA Track and Field which will deal with it in accordance with the relevant rules.
t-and-f: The stay-at-homes
A continuing interest for me is that of the athlete who makes the qualifying standard for the Olympics, but is not entered in the meet because his or her national federation sets a more stringent team selection standard. I'm not sure whether this is due to a federation's parsimony, pride, or pig-headedness. Except for a disqualifying injury, I'd think that one of these would apply in each instance and all three in some. For this reason, it has interested me to assemble a list of female vaulters who were qualified for the Games, but didn't compete in Sydney. By "qualified" I mean those who, during the qualification period, met the standard of 4.20 meters for a country's lone entrant, the standard of 4.30 meters for a second entrant from her country, and was not excluded by the limit for three entrants from each country. These, I think, are the athletes who qualified but were not entered: Katerina Badurová (CZE). The Czech Republic entered Bártova and Hamáchová. They did not enter Badurová, whose outdoor best for 2000 was 4.30m, which turned out to be the height required for the finals. Amandine Homo (FRA). France entered Marie Poissonnier and Caroline Ammel. They did not enter Homo, co-holder with Poissonnier of the French indoor record, who qualified by way of her 4.31m in the 2000 indoor season. However, her outdoor best this season was 4.10m. Talent-heavy Germany entered Nicole Humbert-Rieger and Yvonne Buschbaum. They could have chosen a third entrant from among former national record holders Nastja Ryshich (4.50m 99i, 4.10m 00o), Andrea Müller (4.45m 00i, 4.20m 00o), and Christine Adams (4.40m 00i, 4.30m 00o), as well as Sabine Schulte (4.30m 00o) or Annika Becker (4.30m 00o). Italy passed over national record holder Francesca Dolcini and former record holder Maria Carla Breschiani. Dolcini had qualifying marks of 4.26m in the 1999 outdoor season and 4.20m in outdoor 2000; while Breschiani did 4.20m both indoors and outdoors this year. Italy didn't enter a vaulter in the Olympic Games. Masumi Ono, has repeatedly revised Japan's national record (4.21m 00i, 4.20 00o). Japan didn't enter a vaulter. Monique de Wilt (NED), perhaps the most puzzling omission, has improved the Dutch national record 11 times since the Atlanta Games. Her seasonal best of 4.30m would have made the finals. Netherlands didn't enter a vaulter. Romania's NR holder, Gabriela Mihalcea, made the entry standard with 4.20m in both this year's indoor and outdoor seasons. Tatyana Köstem, the Turkish record holder, cleared the 4.20m standard in the present outdoor season, but was not selected. One closing observation: I believe the United States must be one of very few countries with no direct federal subsidy of sports. To the best of my knowledge, the U.S. entered every one of its qualified track and field athletes in the Sydney games. Cheers, Roger P.S.--If there are any strong dissents out there, please don't telephone before noon tomorrow: The women's vault final goes at midnight, British Columbia time, and I expect CBC to be carrying it in real time.
