t-and-f: Taking this thread to logical extreme
Y ask Y: For those who say high-schoolers are being cheated by not running 400H, all I can say is: Yeah, sure. And make the kidlets run 42-inch hurdles in the highs. And throw the 16-pound shot. And use 16-foot Pacer poles in the vault. Why deprive them? Nothing wrong with running 300 hurdles as a transition. BTW, in the old days of California track (pre-1974) that gh (and I) recall so fondly, we had varsity, B's and C's (based on a system of "exponents"). C's were mainly skinny freshmen and sophomores. B's were mainly sophomores and juniors. In those days, B's and C's also ran 180-yard dash insted of 220, 660-yard run insted of 880, and 1320 instead of mile. My favorite event of all time: the 120-yard low hurdles (five 30-inch hurdles 20 yards apart). Ken Stone Valencia High School Recordholder for Eternity, C 120 lows -- 13.7 in 1970.
t-and-f: Britain offer top job to Dutchman
Saturday 13 January 2001 The Electronic Telegraph Tom Knight CHARLES van Commenee, the coach who guided Denise Lewis to the heptathlon gold medal in Sydney, is on the verge of becoming British sport's next big foreign signing. As Sven-Goran Eriksson settles into his new role as England football manager, it emerged last night that Van Commenee, the 42-year-old Dutch national athletics coach, has been offered the job of technical director in charge of combined events and jumps at UK Athletics. Van Commenee applied for the post at the end of last year while he was in Britian celebrating Lewis's success. Max Jones, the UK Athletics performance director, is waiting for Van Commenee's response to their offer. "Charles is a gold medal coach and to have him in this country working with our athletes would be a real coup for the sport," Jones said. Van Commenee, a former decathlete who was forced to retire at 19 because of injury, began coaching Lewis in 1997, three years after they met at a competition in Spain. He guided her to the European and Commonwealth titles in 1998 and a silver medal at the following year's World Championships. In a recent interview, the man Lewis calls `the Volcano' because of his angry outbursts, said she made crucial mistakes in Sydney. "She made a couple of decisions on her own and they were not the best decisions," Van Commenee said. "Was I angry? Yes, it was the behaviour of a novice." Paula Radcliffe has made sure she will not be the only female athlete to benefit from her new six-figure contract with Nike. As part of a four-year shoe and kit deal worth 600,000, Britain's top distance runner requested that 40,000 of the fee should go towards helping emerging young athletes. Radcliffe, the world half-marathon champion, said she chose Nike because of their commitment to promoting running through their Girls In Sport programme. "This is something I'm really interested in and hopefully I can make a difference with this money," Radcliffe said. "After myself and Jo Pavey there's quite a gap, and I want to do something to help the youngsters come through." A spokesman for Nike said: "The size of Paula's contract reflects her stature within the sport and it's certainly not common for athletes to make this request as part of the deal." Radcliffe's gain is Kelly Holmes's loss. Holmes, who won a surprise bronze medal over 800 metres in Sydney, has been dropped by Nike after reportedly demanding too much money. Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com
t-and-f: Edwards considers fifth Olympics
Saturday 13 January 2001 The Electronic Telegraph Tom Knight JONATHAN EDWARDS has dismissed talk of retirement and says he may defend his Olympic triple jump title in 2004. Far from resting on his laurels after winning a gold medal in Sydney, Edwards is planning a full indoor season while his mind is already jumping ahead to the possibility of making a fifth Olympic appearance in Athens. He said: "At 34, I'm still in good shape and there is no physical reason to retire. If I get to 2004 and I'm still jumping well, I will go to the Olympics. I don't know how likely that is but from here on in, my life is a blank sheet of paper." In the meantime, Edwards admitted that he was still wrestling with the need to get back into full-time training ahead of this winter's series of indoor meetings, which could include the World Championships in Lisbon in March. He claims to have led a "free and easy" life since the Olympics, although his relaxed attitude has involved nothing more hedonistic than not worrying about what time he goes to bed and eating fish and chips, pizza and Christmas cake. "Training is a bit hit-or-miss at the moment but I'm surprised at how well it has gone," he said. "I've done only two jumping sessions since Christmas and while my training is not as structured as it would normally be, I do want to jump well this winter. "I'm still very motivated and I would love to retire as world indoor record holder. There is also personal pride at stake. I will be introduced as Olympic champion and I want to look vaguely like one." Edwards's first competition of the year is expected to be at the Karlsruhe meeting in Germany on Jan 27. He will then jump in Dortmund before taking a starring role in the Norwich Union British Grand Prix at the National Indoor Arena in Birmingham. Meanwhile, Brendan Foster, the former international athlete, has abandoned his attempt to bring the 2006 European Championships to Gateshead. His decision follows a request by UK Athletics, the British governing body, who do not want the event to follow so soon after the 2005 World Championships in London. Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com
t-and-f: Now entering the ring...
Former Wimbledon champs calls female players overweight LONDON (AP) - Former Wimbledon champion Pat Cash believes many female tennis players are overweight and out of shape. He likens Lindsay Davenport to a shot putter. Cash said the Williams sisters are among the only players on the women's tour who are in top condition. "Women's tennis is not what it used to be with Chris Evert, Martina Navratilova and Hana Mandlikova," Cash told the Mirror. "They were incredibly fit and worked hard. These days, girls can take it easy and still make millions. Look at Lindsay Davenport. She's a big girl. When you look at her, you think, 'Whoa, there is no way she is going to be a tennis player. Put her in the shot put instead.'" Cash, an Australian who won Wimbledon in 1987 and now coaches British player Greg Rusedski, added: "Aside from the Williams sisters and perhaps Amelie Mauresmo, women tennis players are certainly all carrying extra weight and they shouldn't be." Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266
t-and-f: 400mh
to be exact, new york state girls were running the 400mh in 1980 - i have the program for the first "combined" state meet in front of me - this was June 5-6, 1981 at cornell university..it was then that the girls first ran the event in a state meet
t-and-f: 400H
Netters: The history of the low and intermediate hurdles in New Jersey is an interesting one/ Until it joined the National Federation around 1950 (the worst move ever made in this state), New Jersey ran the 220-yard low hurdles, the 42-inch hH and used the college discus. (Milt Campbell won his first state title in the 220 lows in 1950 and was 2nd to brother Tom in the HHS, the only hurdle race he ever lost in HS.(Milt also placed with the college disc that day) All this changed for the 1951 season. The highs were dropped to 39 inches, the lows to 180 yards and the HS discus was installed. When the intermediate hurdles were adopted by federation rules, NJ at first went for the 330-yard (later 300M) race. But when the state meet was held at Rutgers, there was no starting line for the 300M, this being a college track. Rather than take the time to mark one out, they cimply started the race at the usual 400M place and it ended coming off the final turn, right after the 8th hurdle. There were naturally complaint about this, so the race was lengthened to 400M the next year. This got NJ into trouble with the Federation. Our representatives at the annual rules meeting were told they would be barred unless they conformed to the 300 distance. But they stuck it out, they weren't barred, and we still run the 400. Our experienece with the event has been a positive one. The longer distanbce draws in some youngsters who might never have tried the event otherwise. And it gives college coaches a far better idea of what a boy or girl will do when they move on from HS. Since we adopted the 400H, NJ has produced one Olympic finalist (and NCAA chamopion) in Qyentin Wheeler and numerous others of both sexes who have excelled in college. Ed Grant
t-and-f: Van Commenee signing in the UK
Hello all, In Dutch media, the appointment of Charles van Commenee was announced two weeks ago. So I guess Mr. Jones can be confident of the positive respons of Van Commenee (also (co-)coach of the highest ranked Dutch athlete at the Sydney olympics - the young shot putter Lieja Koeman, 9th). Wilmar Kortleever, Leiden, The Netherlands Eamonn Condon schreef: Saturday 13 January 2001 The Electronic Telegraph Tom Knight CHARLES van Commenee, the coach who guided Denise Lewis to the heptathlon gold medal in Sydney, is on the verge of becoming British sport's next big foreign signing. As Sven-Goran Eriksson settles into his new role as England football manager, it emerged last night that Van Commenee, the 42-year-old Dutch national athletics coach, has been offered the job of technical director in charge of combined events and jumps at UK Athletics. Van Commenee applied for the post at the end of last year while he was in Britian celebrating Lewis's success. Max Jones, the UK Athletics performance director, is waiting for Van Commenee's response to their offer. "Charles is a gold medal coach and to have him in this country working with our athletes would be a real coup for the sport," Jones said. Van Commenee, a former decathlete who was forced to retire at 19 because of injury, began coaching Lewis in 1997, three years after they met at a competition in Spain. He guided her to the European and Commonwealth titles in 1998 and a silver medal at the following year's World Championships. In a recent interview, the man Lewis calls `the Volcano' because of his angry outbursts, said she made crucial mistakes in Sydney. "She made a couple of decisions on her own and they were not the best decisions," Van Commenee said. "Was I angry? Yes, it was the behaviour of a novice." Paula Radcliffe has made sure she will not be the only female athlete to benefit from her new six-figure contract with Nike. As part of a four-year shoe and kit deal worth 600,000, Britain's top distance runner requested that 40,000 of the fee should go towards helping emerging young athletes. Radcliffe, the world half-marathon champion, said she chose Nike because of their commitment to promoting running through their Girls In Sport programme. "This is something I'm really interested in and hopefully I can make a difference with this money," Radcliffe said. "After myself and Jo Pavey there's quite a gap, and I want to do something to help the youngsters come through." A spokesman for Nike said: "The size of Paula's contract reflects her stature within the sport and it's certainly not common for athletes to make this request as part of the deal." Radcliffe's gain is Kelly Holmes's loss. Holmes, who won a surprise bronze medal over 800 metres in Sydney, has been dropped by Nike after reportedly demanding too much money. Eamonn Condon WWW.RunnersGoal.com
t-and-f: Overweight tennis players
Hello, This is a somewhat strange article/message. Dutch tennis player Richard Krajicek said something remarkably similar about 5 to 10 years ago. Last year (or in 1999) we were remembered of his words (that caused quite a stir at the time). The reason was the fact that Davenport had just become no. 1 in the world, a fact she herself attributed mostly to the fact she had made an enormous effort in the field of ... fitness. If I remember correctly, she had just lost about 15 to 20 pounds. That is something you do not accomplish by taking it easy, I can tell you that from personal experience... I do not know Pat Cash very well, but maybe he is also referring to the time he was still a top athlete himself? Wilmar Kortleever Leiden, The Netherlands "Bettwy, Bob" schreef: Former Wimbledon champs calls female players overweight LONDON (AP) - Former Wimbledon champion Pat Cash believes many female tennis players are overweight and out of shape. He likens Lindsay Davenport to a shot putter. Cash said the Williams sisters are among the only players on the women's tour who are in top condition. "Women's tennis is not what it used to be with Chris Evert, Martina Navratilova and Hana Mandlikova," Cash told the Mirror. "They were incredibly fit and worked hard. These days, girls can take it easy and still make millions. Look at Lindsay Davenport. She's a big girl. When you look at her, you think, 'Whoa, there is no way she is going to be a tennis player. Put her in the shot put instead.'" Cash, an Australian who won Wimbledon in 1987 and now coaches British player Greg Rusedski, added: "Aside from the Williams sisters and perhaps Amelie Mauresmo, women tennis players are certainly all carrying extra weight and they shouldn't be." Bob Bettwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Director - Program Control Washington Group SRS Technologies (703) 351-7266
RE: t-and-f: 400H
In a message dated Fri, 12 Jan 2001 10:18:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Michael J. Roth" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Track has a history of holding on to the past with a death grip, and these antiquated distances are another example of the old boys unwilling to change with the times. It has nothing to do with the athletes. If that was so, how does the HS senior only handle 300, but the college freshman deal w/ 400? There is little difference between the two athletes. While i agree that the "old boys" exhibit death grips from time to time (for a prime example, see XC distances runby women compared to men), there's a difference between "antiquated distances" and not bringing young athletes along too fast. You certainly wouldn't want your 13-year-old kid trying to throw a 16lb shot, for example. As to the 300/400H, while nobody's going to die running the extra 100m, I wonder if in terms of teaching kids the hard-to-master technique of running with proper rhythm (i.e., number of steps) in a long hurdles race isn't better served by having them compete at less than the full distance while young? Any qualified hurdle coaches out there have an opinion on that? gh
t-and-f: Logical ?
For those who say high-schoolers are being cheated by not running 400H, all I can say is: Yeah, sure. And make the kidlets run 42-inch hurdles in the highs. And throw the 16-pound shot. And use 16-foot Pacer poles in the vault. Why deprive them? Nothing wrong with running 300 hurdles as a transition. BTW, in the old days of California track (pre-1974) that gh (and I) recall so fondly, we had varsity, B's and C's (based on a system of "exponents"). C's were mainly skinny freshmen and sophomores. B's were mainly sophomores and juniors. In those days, B's and C's also ran 180-yard dash insted of 220, 660-yard run insted of 880, and 1320 instead of mile. Not logical at all. The argument was about arguments about 300/400 vs.1600/mile etc. The rest of the world uses the 400m hurdles as do a number of state high school federations. A lot of people seem to think that 400 is too far to go for high-schoolers, but as I answered a few, 'then get another event!' Just as those A and B distances were ridiculous, so is the 300.
Re: t-and-f: Taking this thread to logical extreme
Ken that exist only in the City section of the CIF. I won the C's 300ih in 1986, and was quite pleased with myself. But I regretted not knowing the 400ih when I graduated. Before going to college I ran a few meets over the summer, and I was completely lost on the event. The learning curve, and fitness curve required for the 400ih is a world of difference from the 300ih. I existed in HS on my own workouts, that would never work if I had to run the 400ih. The 300ih is not a transition, it is a separate race altogether. There is very little relation between the 2, other than the hurdles. It is time the US started running the 400ih, and catching up with the rest of the world. DGS The G.O.A.T.
Re: t-and-f: Logical ?
Has any American high schooler ever broken 50sec for the international 400mIH ? RT
Re: t-and-f: 400H
gh wrote: As to the 300/400H, while nobody's going to die running the extra 100m, I wonder if in terms of teaching kids the hard-to-master technique of running with proper rhythm (i.e., number of steps) in a long hurdles race isn't better served by having them compete at less than the full distance while young? Any qualified hurdle coaches out there have an opinion on that? Whether I am a "qualified" hurdles coach is debatable, but I have been the event coach for male high school 300m hurdlers of moderate ability (41 second range). I have no doubt that the transition from the high school 300's to the college 400's can be difficult. However, for all but the cream of the crop, the 300m hurdles race is a lot more similar to the 400m hurdles at that age/level. Most of them still struggle in the straight, just like the elite runners do in the 400 hurdles. I suspect that going that much faster over 300m makes the technique more like it is for the open 400m hurdles runners. There's no question that the very best guys outgrow the 300 hurdles by their senior year, and we have all seen some of the superfast seniors crash or stumble because they are simply too good to do anything less than sprint all out from the gun. But in the long run, this experience of running too fast will probably help them make the transition to a race where you have to risk losing your technique by pushing the limits of speed. In a way, it's like the steeplechase. For an average-sized distance runner, the barriers and water jump are best cleared at a pace no slower than about 4:50-5:00 per mile. Any slower than that and the momentum loss even with fairly good form is apparent. Although the event is not run that often, when I have had the opportunity to watch a 3000m steeple, it has been painful to watch 9:40-10:00 2-mile types trying to clear the barriers after the 1st 2 or 3 laps. Even if they have OK technique and aren't dying, it's difficult for a 5'10" athlete to clear the 36" barriers efficiently at 5:20 pace or slower. - Ed Parrot
Re: t-and-f: 400H
Netters Louise wrote: - we ran the 400h while the boys of the state were doing the 300mh.. Louise, not to get on your case to much but I distinctly remember running the 400h as a freshman at Averill Park H.S. , Averill park N.Y. in 1980. Of course the next year I learned to walk but that is a different story.
Re: t-and-f: 400H
you are not getting on my case, mike...there is NO DOUBT in my mind that the nys girls ran the 400mh FIRST...i was state chairman.i loved it
Re: t-and-f: Logical ?
In a message dated Sat, 13 Jan 2001 4:35:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, "R.T." [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has any American high schooler ever broken 50sec for the international 400mIH ? Technically, yes; in my personal reality, no. Bob Bornkessel (Shawnee Mission North, Mission, Kansas) ran 49.8 at a warmup meet for the '68 Olympic Trials. Factor in hand timing and 7000-odd-feet of altitude and I say no, he didn't. Patrick Mann ran 50.02 in '84. Even though the scientists tell me I'm wrong,I've always thought that the empirical evidence suggested that Tahoe/Mexico type altitude was worht close to a full second in the 400/400H. Coinciidentally, Bornkessel's next best that year was 0.9 slower, 50.7, but don't know if it was at altitude (Jack?). In his 4 years at Kansas Bornkessel ran 50.8, slower than 52.0, 50.7 and 50.4. So nah, I just can't think of him as a "real" sub-50 prep. gh
t-and-f: re: 300/400 hurdles in HS
Can anyone tell me what other states besides NJ, NJ, Conn. compete in the 400H instead of the 300H at their state cjampionships? Iowa runs the 400 hurdles for both boys and girls, although they run the low hurdles rather than the intermediates.
Re: t-and-f: Taking this thread to logical extreme
It seems to me that most good 400H can run a decent 800m. I don't think you can say the same for the 300H. It may be that you can get by in the 300H with sprint speed, but when you increase the distance by 1/3 some endurance comes into play and some of those that were very good 300H may find that the 400H is just too long. It seems to me that the transition is almost akin to moving from 200m to 400m. Many will be good at both, but some will never see the same success in the longer event. Paul *** Paul Talbot Department of Geography/ Institute of Behavioral Science University of Colorado, Boulder Boulder CO 80309-0260 (303) 492-3248 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
t-and-f: 400 Hurdles / Logical Conclusion
Since I kinda started this, it's probably time to put it to bed. Nice dicussion though. Covered opinions, history, coaching theory, chiming in from old farts and no whining. Hey this list thing might catch on. /Drew
Re: t-and-f: 400H
I think the main reason for 300H over 400H in HS comes not from coaches' concerns over the extra 100m their athletes would be running, but from AD's concerned about the extra 2 hurdles (x 6 to 8 lanes) their BUDGETS would be paying for. Yeah, I know, you need 10 hurdles for each lane in the 100/110HH, but guess what? A lot of school only run 3-4 lanes in the highs, and 4-5 in the IH. It's rare to find a HS w/ 60 hurdles in good condition. Jim Gerweck Running Times
t-and-f: Carl Lewis High School Inv. top 3's
Following are top 3 finishers in each event at the Carl Lewis High School Invitational indoor meet at the University of Houston on Jan. 13. The track is a flat 200-meter Mondo surface. Highlights included a great boys' SP battle and a swift sprint double by Brendan Christian. Glen McMicken -- -- University of HoustonPage 1 Carl Lewis Invitational 01/13/01 Finals GIRLS 60 METER DASH 1. Zenobia Reed, Lamar HS 7.72; 2. Meoucha Davis, L C Express 7.75; 3. Sharonda McDonald, Lightning TC 7.84. Finals GIRLS 200 METER DASH 1. Latashia Kerr, Forest Brook 25.37; 2. Meoucha Davis, L C Express 25.59; 3. Julie Pickler, Texas Expres 26.15. Finals GIRLS 400 METER DASH 1. Sheretta Jones, Forest Brook 57.79; 2. Natasha Franklin, Texas Heat 1:00.83; 3. Courtney Fischer, Unattached 1:01.27. Finals GIRLS 800 METER DASH 1. Megan Radermacher, Unattached 2:16.53; 2. Shannon Radermacher, Unattached 2:20.03; 3. Mindy Kate Sullivan, Unattached 2:22.32. Finals GIRLS 1 MILE RUN 1. Candice Kolb, Winners Edge 5:20.34; 2. Mindy Kate Sullivan, Unattached 5:35.68; 3. Quawodolyn Mathis, Yoakum HS 5:38.32. Finals GIRLS 3,000 METER RUN 1. Candice Kolb, Winners Edge 10:21.59; 2. Veronica Ramirez, Unattached 10:29.52; 3. Amanda Lyons, Unicorn TC 10:46.06. Finals GIRLS 60 METER LOW HURDLES 1. Ranysha Leblanc, P A-Lincoln 9.02; 2. Julie Pickler, Texas Expres 9.11; 3. Diana Pickler, Texas Expres 9.15. Finals GIRLS 4X400 METER RELAY 1. Forest Brook 3:59.69; 2. P A-Lincoln 4:10.84; 3. Team Diva 4:11.12. Finals GIRLS DISTANCE MEDLEY 1. Unattached 12:58.81; 2. AM Consol. 13:35.54; 3. Team Diva 13:56.12. Finals GIRLS HIGH JUMP 1. Meggie Schuelke, Mustang TC 5-08 (1.73m); 2. Nicole Brown, Lightning TC 5-06 (1.68m); 3. Diana Pickler, Texas Expres 5-02 (1.57m). Finals GIRLS POLE VAULT 1. Jill Ahrens, St. John's 9-02.25 (2.80m); 2. Amy Swan, Shady's VC 9-02.25 (2.80m); 3. Amra Untermeyer, Lone PV 6-08.75 (2.05m). Finals GIRLS LONG JUMP 1. Julie Pickler, Texas Expres 18-02.25 (5.54m); 2. Ranysha Leblanc, P A-Lincoln 18-01.75 (5.53m); 3. Diana Pickler, Texas Expres 18-00.75 (5.51m). Finals GIRLS TRIPLE JUMP 1. La Donna Moore, Texas Heat 36-09.25 (11.21m); 2. Sonja Nair, Klein TC 35-09.25 (10.90m); 3. Cassandra Pierson, Cedar Hill 35-07.25 (10.85m). Finals GIRLS SHOT PUT 1. Linsdey McFarland, Austin Strid 38-10.75 (11.86m); 2. Benita Hodge, AM Consol. 38-04.50 (11.70m); 3. Lauren Reimer, New Braunfel 38-01 (11.61m). Finals BOYS 60 METER DASH 1. Brendan Christian, Texas Heat 6.87; 2. Mark Foster, Lightning TC 7.02; 3. Scott Good, Sweeny HS 7.09. Finals BOYS 200 METER DASH 1. Brendan Christian, Texas Heat 21.89; 2. John Akinloye, Austin Strid 23.16; 3. Talib Porter, Strake Jes. 23.25. Finals BOYS 400 METER DASH 1. Roderick Compton, Cedar Hill 50.54; 2. Gerren Iles, Track Houstn 51.68; 3. Siraj Williams, Cedar Hill 52.17. Finals BOYS 800 METER RUN 1. Marcus Pitre, Lightning TC 2:00.98; 2. Leonel Manzano, Austin Strid 2:01.65; 3. Brandon Dixon, Lamar HS 2:01.68. Finals BOYS 1 MILE RUN 1. Tyler Stanfield, Canton TC 4:21.65; 2. Andy Rihn, Unattached 4:34.79; 3. Justin Gabriel, Winners Edge 4:35.60.
t-and-f: TNF does it again
I was looking at the rankings issue and I had to ask this question to GH or anyone else from that staff that reads this list. How is the world could you rank Robert Mackowiak number 10 in the 400? I cannot think of anything to justify that. 45.01 The kid from Saudi Arabia who won juniors in 44.66 had a better year than that. If you want to judge it on two meets than Calvin or Angelo ran better than he did. Just above the picture right underneath the 400 rankings it says "Illustrating well that the rankings don't depend on any one meet." That's fitting because it makes me wonder what the heck it does depend on? Another weird thing: John Capel doesn't run well anywhere but the trials and gets last in the OG 200 yet is ranked 6 in the world and 1 in the US meanwhile Curtis Johnson doesn't run well anywhere but gets second in the trials and get ranked #9 in the US? Edward Caine, Esq. You sure you want to hang with ol Eddie Caine Jr.? - 1997
Re: t-and-f: Taking this thread to logical extreme
DG, Yeah, I get the point on 300s not being quite the challenge as 400s, but you do learn such things as step pattern and running the curve. My old coach at Valencia was crestfallen when I told him, near the end of my junior year, that my family was moving to Omaha. He said: "You can't do that!" And I said, "Why?" And he replied: "I haven't given you permission." He said he had planned to train me for the 400 to help get me into 400 hurdles shape (knowing the 180s meant zip). My dream of running for Jim Bush evaporated, but I eventually finagled my way onto the KU track team as a walk-on under assistant Coach Thad Talley (who had been Tom Hill's coach at Arkansas). I went to KU, competed for two years (training with the infamous, never-realizing-his-potential Bob Bornkessel) and 1976 Olympians Mark Lutz, Terry Porter and Sam Colson) and then got kicked off the team for mediocrity. Maybe 400s would have done me good. Ken Stone (56.1 PR twice in 400H) Stone
t-and-f: The storm by the numbers
Netters, I guess we all anticipated the fact that the rankings would smell...welljust a bit rank. In fact after a quick glance I've determined that they absolutely stink. Yeah, so I'm a walker, who cares, right. I actually don't mind a thrower getting the vote, he actually may have deserved it. My main issue is what in the h*% are these panelist thinking. Here are some interesting numbers #3. Mo, a legit top 5. 2 panelist didn't vote for him, 3 put him 9th. #4. RK, the most dominant year ever by a walker and 2 golds. 6 panelist DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM. #5. Jan the man. Worthy of a lifetime achievement award. 7 panelist didn't vote for him. Excuse me. I'd rather go to account temps for Bob than ask for these idiots credentials. No wonder I stopped subscribing to that piece of trash. There Darrel you have your freakin' storm. I think we both have right to . I'll stop before I go further and violate my conscience and the list. Don't even try to top me Mr. Rohl because I'm on one now. Yours Truly, Allen James Damn Proud member of the GPDW ( a rough slang for us walkers ) At least were not SPR.
t-and-f: 400ih vs 300ih
Interesting debate. It's good to see some actual thinking and debating among our list members now. I think it's great that HSers run the 300m distance. I think it's great that NJ, NY and some others run the 400m distance. In fact, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Iowa run the 400m hurdle distance but at the height of 33'? Awesome. Way to go. Development. That's what it is all about. USA sure hasn't been slacking in the IH deparment. Angelo Taylor is from GA. They run the 300m distance. Hasn't hurt him too much. Terrance Trammell (from the same high school as Angelo) ran the 39' inch barrier in hs. Hasn't hurt him either. I say let them run what the state meet decides for them to run. Those who run the 400ih in high school have some great experience when it comes college time. For those who run the 300ih in high school, they have great potential when moving up to the full distance. ***By the way, I do have to put a plug in for Ato Bolden, Jon Drummond and Darrell Smith. I was out in San Diego over Christmas break working with Brent McFarlane when we took a trip to UCLA. Darrell, Jon and Ato were very gracious with the kids and super ambassadors of the sport. Darrell, thank you for your kindness and help with the pictures with the kids. It is truly appreciated. Keep up the great work. The same can be said for Selila (sp?) Sua and Amy Acuff. They too were especially nice and outgoing along with Coach Art Venegas who even took time out of his practice to talk with the athletes in the camp. Yours in track, Mike Cunningham Head Track and Field/CC Coach Neosho County Community College (316) 431-2820 Ext. 272 www.neosho.cc.ks.us/athletic/track/track.htm "Trample the Weak. Hurdle the Dead." -Unknown _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: t-and-f: The storm by the numbers
netters Allen wrote" Don't even try to top me Mr. Rohl because I'm on one now. Why would I try Allen? You can only educate the ignorant so much. Then you must let them rot in their own dung and live with the consequences of their own choices.
