Re: [Tagging] Is linear man_made=pier supposed to be assumed as implying highway=footway, unless tagged otherwise?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2017-10-23 17:59 GMT+02:00 Volker Schmidt :

> My reference was to the osm wiki, which was somehow converted into a link
> to Wikipedia
>



that's because some wiki editors put wikipedia links into the OSM
definition. I've now moved the WP link from the definition to "See also",
and I invite everybody to do similar fixing. We should avoid the impression
that definitions in linked wikipedia articles are part of OSM tagging
definitions.

Cheers,
Martin
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Re: [Tagging] Is linear man_made=pier supposed to be assumed as implying highway=footway, unless tagged otherwise?

[Volker Schmidt]

My reference was to the osm wiki, which was somehow converted into a link
to Wikipedia

On 23 Oct 2017 2:33 p.m., "henkevdb"  wrote:

The definition of 'Pier' on wikipedia is in my opinion not exactly correct.
A pier is (usually) 'a long stretched construction on the ground or in a
body of water', sometimes floating on water, sometimes on pillars,sometimes
as a building on an airport,sometimes made of rocks as dam. But can also be
a name of a person or a column designed to support concentrated load , etc
. -> https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pier

The Category:Piers in wikipedia should be more increased/detailed in my
opinion -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Piers



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Re: [Tagging] Is linear man_made=pier supposed to be assumed as implying highway=footway, unless tagged otherwise?

[henkevdb]

The definition of 'Pier' on wikipedia is in my opinion not exactly 
correct. A pier is (usually) 'a long stretched construction on the 
ground or in a body of water', sometimes floating on water, sometimes on 
pillars,sometimes as a building on an airport,sometimes made of rocks as 
dam. But can also be a name of a person or a column designed to support 
concentrated load , etc . -> 
https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pier


The Category:Piers in wikipedia should be more increased/detailed in my 
opinion -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Piers



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Re: [Tagging] Is linear man_made=pier supposed to be assumed as implying highway=footway, unless tagged otherwise?

[Volker Schmidt]

The Pier wiki page [1] says in the first sentence:
"A [image: Wikipedia-16px.png] pier 
is a raised walkway".
The same wiki page also states:
"Lastly, connect the pier with other ways on land, otherwise it will result
in a "island" that can't be used for routing. Create a highway
=footway
 (or similar)
from the pier's last node on land to nearby roads or other pedestrian ways
as needed until it is connected to the main road/pedestrian network."
>From this I would conclude that man_made=pier implies foot=yes.
There could obviously be additional access tags like access=private or
motor_vehicle=yes.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier

On 23 October 2017 at 11:56, Andre Engels  wrote:

> My own strategy for this kind of cases is "man_made=pier; foot=yes"
>
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Re: [Tagging] Is linear man_made=pier supposed to be assumed as implying highway=footway, unless tagged otherwise?

[Andre Engels]

My own strategy for this kind of cases is "man_made=pier; foot=yes"

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On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Mateusz Konieczny
 wrote:
> During my recent mapping of marina-related areas I tagged
> piers walkable by pedestrians as both highway=footway and man_made=pier.
>
> For an example see
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.03130=21.77232#map=18/54.03130/21.77232
>
> This practice is currently not mentioned at
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier
>
> From taginfo data it seems that some tag this way, but it is not
> popular - 2.28% of man_made=pier have also highway=footway or
> highway=path
>
> Further 0.44% of man_made=pier have an another highway tag (findable
> with http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/sxQ - most of these are
> highway=service/pedestrian/steps).
>
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/man_made=pier#combinations
>
> Would be a good idea to encourage a more explicit tagging?
>
> Or maybe every single man_made=pier is walkable and highway=footway
> should be considered as implied, unless other highway value is tagged?
>
> And routers/renderers/others can consider man_made=pier and
> man_made=pier with highway=footway as the same?
>
> Or maybe it is preferable to be explicit with mapping?
>
> (I am asking here both as a data consumer and mapper as my experience
> with sailing-related things is limited)
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[Tagging] Is linear man_made=pier supposed to be assumed as implying highway=footway, unless tagged otherwise?

[Mateusz Konieczny]

During my recent mapping of marina-related areas I tagged 
piers walkable by pedestrians as both highway=footway and man_made=pier.

For an example see
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.03130=21.77232#map=18/54.03130/21.77232

This practice is currently not mentioned at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier

From taginfo data it seems that some tag this way, but it is not
popular - 2.28% of man_made=pier have also highway=footway or
highway=path

Further 0.44% of man_made=pier have an another highway tag (findable
with http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/sxQ - most of these are
highway=service/pedestrian/steps).

https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/man_made=pier#combinations

Would be a good idea to encourage a more explicit tagging?

Or maybe every single man_made=pier is walkable and highway=footway
should be considered as implied, unless other highway value is tagged?

And routers/renderers/others can consider man_made=pier and
man_made=pier with highway=footway as the same?

Or maybe it is preferable to be explicit with mapping?

(I am asking here both as a data consumer and mapper as my experience
with sailing-related things is limited)

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