Re: switch to Jaws

[Armando Maldonado via Talk]

And to add to my previous email, here's the podcast I encourage everyone to 
listen to and maybe you'll understand the whole concept why VFO did what 
they did. Thanks.

http://getwindoweyes.com/migrate/WEPresentation-2017-0508.mp3
- Original Message - 
From: "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" 
To: "Bryan Peterson" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion 
List" 

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws


Brian: firstly - I'm reinforcing the points which others have made. This 
is not a scam, and Doug and Aaron continue to lead support for Window-eyes 
at VFO.


Now for the list.



I agreed with VFO (verbally) that I would not discuss this until VFO 
released its official announcement.


I was not coerced into any such agreement, and for the events i'm about to 
describe - I was not paid.


Some of you may remember that my third attempt at contactingt VFO was 
shared with the list.  I asked for my email to go to a senior person - 
Chief Executive or similar.


Now: way back when, as early as July or August, staffers at VFO encouraged 
us to write to VFO expressing our concerns, raising suggestions etc.  How 
many did that?  And unlike me - how many of you were persistent?





Several days after sending my third email mentioned above, I received 
constructive email feedback from Eric Damery, anbd we skyped for about 45 
minutes so that VFO could be assured that I would accept its offer.



I was pleased to contribute to the latest FS Cast, in which this offer is 
discussed, and i've commented on my early experiences with JAWS.  A list 
member took the time to thank me for taking a stand.


Brian and others: if you want to believe this is a scam - it is your right 
to do so.  However:  you  cannot   get away with calling people liars. In 
fact: I am satisfied that Doug fought the good fight on behalf of long 
serving Window-Eyes customers.  He at least should be respected for doing 
so. Doug and Aaron seem likely to be continuing to work in this industry.


Taking up the offer is voluntary and in the short term, if you meet its 
conditions, JFW won't cost you a thing.




On 5/16/2017 3:14 AM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
I'm not altogether optimistic about the future of Window-Eyes, but at the 
same time I'm not going to stop using it unless I absolutely have to. As 
for this supposed offer of free copies of JFW for WE users I'm pretty 
sure it's a scam. I have a hard time imagining FS giving anyone free 
copies of JAWS under any circumstances. As for which screen reader I 
might switch to it probably wouldn't be JAWS, partly because I can't seem 
to download a demo of the latest version to try before I buy, but also 
because it's an absolute resource hog. I remember that from the twelve 
years I used it before switching to WE.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

I'm not planning on switching to Jaws any time soon!  We works better
and takes less overhead!  And, I like the Butch timer app too!


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/14/2017 4:47 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
I plan to keep using window-eyes as long as it works.  They're not going 
to make it diappear.  If it gets to a point where I must switch to 
something else, I'll go with n v d a. I suspect window-eyes will do much 
of what I need it to do for some time even if they stop selling and 
developping it.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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Re: Vocalizer Expressive

[net bat via Talk]

your wrong.
jaws has there own expressive vocalizer voices and are tied to jaws only.
the w e voices are tied to w e only and will not work with jaws.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:51 PM
To: 'Robert Byers' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Vocalizer Expressive

Yes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Byers via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:49 AM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Vocalizer Expressive


Hi!

What will happen to the Vocalize Synths?
Will I be able to use them with JAWS?

Rob.
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Re: Vocalizer Expressive

[net bat via Talk]

no, the ones you may of bought for w e are tied to w e only.
but some vocalizer voices will be availible with jaws once you have a 
regestered copy.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Byers via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Vocalizer Expressive


Hi!

What will happen to the Vocalize Synths?
Will I be able to use them with JAWS?

Rob.
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Re: switch to Jaws

[Armando Maldonado via Talk]

I agree with Mr. Vaughan. Before everyone starts fighting like kids here for 
no reason, go pay a listen to the podcast he's refering to. Most if not all 
of your questions are answered there, as well as there are two folks, one of 
them being Vaughan who give their viewpoints in regards to this. alot of 
this bickering and nonsense is getting anyone no where. VFO made decision to 
pull the plug, you can take it or leave it when it comes to the jaws offer, 
simple as that. Great contribution you did Vaughan an keep up the good work.

Armando
- Original Message - 
From: "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" 
To: "Bryan Peterson" ; "Window-Eyes Discussion 
List" 

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws


Brian: firstly - I'm reinforcing the points which others have made. This 
is not a scam, and Doug and Aaron continue to lead support for Window-eyes 
at VFO.


Now for the list.



I agreed with VFO (verbally) that I would not discuss this until VFO 
released its official announcement.


I was not coerced into any such agreement, and for the events i'm about to 
describe - I was not paid.


Some of you may remember that my third attempt at contactingt VFO was 
shared with the list.  I asked for my email to go to a senior person - 
Chief Executive or similar.


Now: way back when, as early as July or August, staffers at VFO encouraged 
us to write to VFO expressing our concerns, raising suggestions etc.  How 
many did that?  And unlike me - how many of you were persistent?





Several days after sending my third email mentioned above, I received 
constructive email feedback from Eric Damery, anbd we skyped for about 45 
minutes so that VFO could be assured that I would accept its offer.



I was pleased to contribute to the latest FS Cast, in which this offer is 
discussed, and i've commented on my early experiences with JAWS.  A list 
member took the time to thank me for taking a stand.


Brian and others: if you want to believe this is a scam - it is your right 
to do so.  However:  you  cannot   get away with calling people liars. In 
fact: I am satisfied that Doug fought the good fight on behalf of long 
serving Window-Eyes customers.  He at least should be respected for doing 
so. Doug and Aaron seem likely to be continuing to work in this industry.


Taking up the offer is voluntary and in the short term, if you meet its 
conditions, JFW won't cost you a thing.




On 5/16/2017 3:14 AM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
I'm not altogether optimistic about the future of Window-Eyes, but at the 
same time I'm not going to stop using it unless I absolutely have to. As 
for this supposed offer of free copies of JFW for WE users I'm pretty 
sure it's a scam. I have a hard time imagining FS giving anyone free 
copies of JAWS under any circumstances. As for which screen reader I 
might switch to it probably wouldn't be JAWS, partly because I can't seem 
to download a demo of the latest version to try before I buy, but also 
because it's an absolute resource hog. I remember that from the twelve 
years I used it before switching to WE.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

I'm not planning on switching to Jaws any time soon!  We works better
and takes less overhead!  And, I like the Butch timer app too!


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/14/2017 4:47 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
I plan to keep using window-eyes as long as it works.  They're not going 
to make it diappear.  If it gets to a point where I must switch to 
something else, I'll go with n v d a. I suspect window-eyes will do much 
of what I need it to do for some time even if they stop selling and 
developping it.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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RE: switch to Jaws

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Vaughn.  Who else is on FSCast with you and Jonathan? Is Doug and
Aaron on there?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:55 PM
To: Bryan Peterson; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

Brian: firstly - I'm reinforcing the points which others have made. This is
not a scam, and Doug and Aaron continue to lead support for Window-eyes at
VFO.

Now for the list.



I agreed with VFO (verbally) that I would not discuss this until VFO
released its official announcement.

I was not coerced into any such agreement, and for the events i'm about to
describe - I was not paid.

Some of you may remember that my third attempt at contactingt VFO was shared
with the list.  I asked for my email to go to a senior person - Chief
Executive or similar.

Now: way back when, as early as July or August, staffers at VFO encouraged
us to write to VFO expressing our concerns, raising suggestions etc.  How
many did that?  And unlike me - how many of you were persistent?




Several days after sending my third email mentioned above, I received
constructive email feedback from Eric Damery, anbd we skyped for about
45 minutes so that VFO could be assured that I would accept its offer.


I was pleased to contribute to the latest FS Cast, in which this offer is
discussed, and i've commented on my early experiences with JAWS.  A list
member took the time to thank me for taking a stand.

Brian and others: if you want to believe this is a scam - it is your 
right to do so.  However:  you  cannot   get away with calling people 
liars. In fact: I am satisfied that Doug fought the good fight on behalf of
long serving Window-Eyes customers.  He at least should be respected for
doing so. Doug and Aaron seem likely to be continuing to work in this
industry.

Taking up the offer is voluntary and in the short term, if you meet its
conditions, JFW won't cost you a thing.



On 5/16/2017 3:14 AM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
> I'm not altogether optimistic about the future of Window-Eyes, but at 
> the same time I'm not going to stop using it unless I absolutely have 
> to. As for this supposed offer of free copies of JFW for WE users I'm 
> pretty sure it's a scam. I have a hard time imagining FS giving anyone 
> free copies of JAWS under any circumstances. As for which screen 
> reader I might switch to it probably wouldn't be JAWS, partly because 
> I can't seem to download a demo of the latest version to try before I 
> buy, but also because it's an absolute resource hog. I remember that 
> from the twelve years I used it before switching to WE.
>
>
>
> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
> -Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:07 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: switch to Jaws
>
> I'm not planning on switching to Jaws any time soon!  We works better
> and takes less overhead!  And, I like the Butch timer app too!
>
>
> Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net
>
> On 5/14/2017 4:47 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
>> I plan to keep using window-eyes as long as it works.  They're not 
>> going to make it diappear.  If it gets to a point where I must switch 
>> to something else, I'll go with n v d a. I suspect window-eyes will 
>> do much of what I need it to do for some time even if they stop 
>> selling and developping it.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
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RE: window eyes for office

[Dennis Long via Talk]

It will eventually go away it will not be developed anymore.  9.5.4 is the
final version.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of mattias via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:01 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; 'Vaughan Dodd'
Subject: window eyes for office

what will happen to window eyes for office?


Thank you Doug, for all that you've done.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:25 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Thank you

Hello Doug.

Just a personal note, in which I acknowledge to you the dignity with which
you've handled the last few months.

I am genuinely sorry that Window-Eyes is no longer a work in progress.  
It is true that I've been at the forefront of the criticism tossed at VFO
regarding its silence on matters pertaining to Window-eyes.

But I can say in all honesty that as I think the first person to benefit
from the VFO offer - it is a good faith one, and it looks as if access
technology and Windows through VFO might be entering a new and exciting
phase.

So again: a personal thanks for how you've been a positive influence in my
life through a great piece of software.

All the very best to you and the family for what is yet to come.

Vaughan.


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window eyes for office

[mattias via Talk]

what will happen to window eyes for office?


Thank you Doug, for all that you've done.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:25 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Thank you

Hello Doug.

Just a personal note, in which I acknowledge to you the dignity with which
you've handled the last few months.

I am genuinely sorry that Window-Eyes is no longer a work in progress.  
It is true that I've been at the forefront of the criticism tossed at VFO
regarding its silence on matters pertaining to Window-eyes.

But I can say in all honesty that as I think the first person to benefit
from the VFO offer - it is a good faith one, and it looks as if access
technology and Windows through VFO might be entering a new and exciting
phase.

So again: a personal thanks for how you've been a positive influence in my
life through a great piece of software.

All the very best to you and the family for what is yet to come.

Vaughan.


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Re: switch to Jaws

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Brian: firstly - I'm reinforcing the points which others have made. This 
is not a scam, and Doug and Aaron continue to lead support for 
Window-eyes at VFO.


Now for the list.



I agreed with VFO (verbally) that I would not discuss this until VFO 
released its official announcement.


I was not coerced into any such agreement, and for the events i'm about 
to describe - I was not paid.


Some of you may remember that my third attempt at contactingt VFO was 
shared with the list.  I asked for my email to go to a senior person - 
Chief Executive or similar.


Now: way back when, as early as July or August, staffers at VFO 
encouraged us to write to VFO expressing our concerns, raising 
suggestions etc.  How many did that?  And unlike me - how many of you 
were persistent?





Several days after sending my third email mentioned above, I received 
constructive email feedback from Eric Damery, anbd we skyped for about 
45 minutes so that VFO could be assured that I would accept its offer.



I was pleased to contribute to the latest FS Cast, in which this offer 
is discussed, and i've commented on my early experiences with JAWS.  A 
list member took the time to thank me for taking a stand.


Brian and others: if you want to believe this is a scam - it is your 
right to do so.  However:  you  cannot   get away with calling people 
liars. In fact: I am satisfied that Doug fought the good fight on behalf 
of long serving Window-Eyes customers.  He at least should be respected 
for doing so. Doug and Aaron seem likely to be continuing to work in 
this industry.


Taking up the offer is voluntary and in the short term, if you meet its 
conditions, JFW won't cost you a thing.




On 5/16/2017 3:14 AM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
I'm not altogether optimistic about the future of Window-Eyes, but at 
the same time I'm not going to stop using it unless I absolutely have 
to. As for this supposed offer of free copies of JFW for WE users I'm 
pretty sure it's a scam. I have a hard time imagining FS giving anyone 
free copies of JAWS under any circumstances. As for which screen 
reader I might switch to it probably wouldn't be JAWS, partly because 
I can't seem to download a demo of the latest version to try before I 
buy, but also because it's an absolute resource hog. I remember that 
from the twelve years I used it before switching to WE.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:07 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

I'm not planning on switching to Jaws any time soon!  We works better
and takes less overhead!  And, I like the Butch timer app too!


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 5/14/2017 4:47 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
I plan to keep using window-eyes as long as it works.  They're not 
going to make it diappear.  If it gets to a point where I must switch 
to something else, I'll go with n v d a. I suspect window-eyes will 
do much of what I need it to do for some time even if they stop 
selling and developping it.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


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RE: Vocalizer Expressive

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Yes.

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On Behalf Of Robert Byers via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:49 AM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Vocalizer Expressive


Hi!

What will happen to the Vocalize Synths?
Will I be able to use them with JAWS?

Rob.
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Vocalizer Expressive

[Robert Byers via Talk]

Hi!

What will happen to the Vocalize Synths?
Will I be able to use them with JAWS?

Rob.
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

We did not.


VFO made decisions based on factors such as viabilityh, customer base, 
projected demand, relationship with Microsoft etc.




Vaughan.



On 5/16/2017 4:12 AM, CJ  MAY via Talk wrote:

I can't help but think we talked ourselves into this situation!

  


Alison

  

  

  


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RE: Thank you

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Thank you Doug, for all that you've done.

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:25 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Thank you

Hello Doug.

Just a personal note, in which I acknowledge to you the dignity with which
you've handled the last few months.

I am genuinely sorry that Window-Eyes is no longer a work in progress.  
It is true that I've been at the forefront of the criticism tossed at VFO
regarding its silence on matters pertaining to Window-eyes.

But I can say in all honesty that as I think the first person to benefit
from the VFO offer - it is a good faith one, and it looks as if access
technology and Windows through VFO might be entering a new and exciting
phase.

So again: a personal thanks for how you've been a positive influence in my
life through a great piece of software.

All the very best to you and the family for what is yet to come.

Vaughan.


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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Capitalism is actually the most liberating economic system we have.  The 
problem is in determining how much we want the state to limit it.

On 5/15/2017 11:43 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:
> Hi Rod,
> 
> I beg to differ with you-
> 
> Injustice and Capitalism run in Tandem?
> 
> I think Injustice tends to be apparent in Humans, regardless of their
> Method of earning a living, or even form of Government.
> 
> There are always those who will work extraordinarily hard to take
> advantage of those who are weaker.
> 
> I am a bit of a History Buff, and History shows that  there is injustice
> from the beginning of time.
> 
> When Capitalism is Corrupt, there is Heartless injustice.  When
> Communism is Corrupted, there is drastic injustice.  When Socialism is
> corrupted, there is great injustice.
> 
> What is the common denominator?  Humans.
> 
> 
> Grumpy Dave
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
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There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Dave via Talk]

Hi Rod,

I beg to differ with you-

Injustice and Capitalism run in Tandem?

I think Injustice tends to be apparent in Humans, regardless of their
Method of earning a living, or even form of Government.  

There are always those who will work extraordinarily hard to take
advantage of those who are weaker.  

I am a bit of a History Buff, and History shows that  there is injustice
from the beginning of time.  

When Capitalism is Corrupt, there is Heartless injustice.  When
Communism is Corrupted, there is drastic injustice.  When Socialism is
corrupted, there is great injustice. 

What is the common denominator?  Humans.  


Grumpy Dave


 


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RE: Migration of Features?

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Maybe it will be coming in a future version of Jaws.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Andre via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:34 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Migration of Features?

Have any Window-Eyes features been implemented into Jaws like its various
scripting languages flexibility? If not, is that something on the table? How
about other Window-Eyes features? To me, it's great if you have a current
retail copy of WE, but I think VFO could have gone even farther and should
in making the Window-Eyes customers feel more like giving JAWS a try. I
think most of us feel like strangers to JAWS and that would go along way in
feeling at home with JAWS assuming they want to keep the customer database
as satisfied customers. Afterall, Window-Eyes already has a Jaws keyboard
layout. How difficult is it for VFO to have created a Window-Eyes keyboard
layout which would make learning Jaws and getting up to speed with it a
whole lpot easier?

 

I don't think a company should be too arogant just because they appear to be
the only game in town. Upstart companies arrive on the seen everyday and
take the game to a whole new level.

 

Just my opinions!

 

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RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Karen Poulakos via Talk]

Oops, I keep forgetting that I need to "reply all" for the reply to go to
the list.

My thought was to download it, and not install it, but save the file till I
need it.  I just can't remember if I need to  register it in order for it to
work, once it's installed.  If it's no longer supported, there won't be any
way of registering it.
 
 
 
  Karen P

-Original Message-
From: Amanda Lee [mailto:amandainparadise...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:04 PM
To: 'Karen Poulakos'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

You will have to download Window-Eyes for Office as a new installation per
each computer you use because of how it authorizes per each computer.  I
could be incorrect though.  I'm sure someone will advise.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away,
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in
order for it to work. 

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that? 

Karen Poulakos

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Re: Getting Jaws

[Dave via Talk]

David, you can download the JAWS Demo, which I think runs for 30 to 40
minutes before it times out.  You will need to call JAWS and they will
tell you where to fill out the proper form, and they will then send you
the Key to Unlock JAWS.


Grumpy Dave



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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Dave via Talk]

Hello Matthew,

JAWS can be installed on up to three systems.  As for what happens if a
system should fail, and you replace it with another system, . . . can't
answer that one.  I would think you could still install JAWS on the
newest system, although you might need to call JAWS to get help in
Authorizing the New Install.  

Grumpy Dave


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Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the 
same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.


What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?


Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and 
they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen 
reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 
11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is 
not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to 
WE after WE goes away.

Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central 
but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down. 
I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up 
and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.


Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised 
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho


Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 


wrote:


I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.

On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
Loy via Talk wrote:
>
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we
> convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended
> in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States
> and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We
> are committed to our customers and will honor existing product
> purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue
> to provide technical support to end users that have purchased
> Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use
> the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function
> adequately for your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are
> offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to
> providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes
> product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as
> follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will
> be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue
> to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version,
> if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
> team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program
> for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a
> simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will
> then contact you with an authorization code 

WordNav Functionality in JAWS

[Richard Petty via Talk]

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.

What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?

Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they 
told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader 
portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite 
costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct 
answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes 
away.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but 
clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down.  I 
would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and 
if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 
wrote:

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> Loy via Talk wrote:
> >
> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> >
> >
> > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
> > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended 
> > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States 
> > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We 
> > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product 
> > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue 
> > to provide technical support to end users that have purchased 
> > Window-Eyes or a support package.
> >
> > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use 
> > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> > adequately for your needs.
> >
> > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are 
> > offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to 
> > providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes 
> > product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as 
> > follows.
> > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will 
> > be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
> > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue 
> > to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, 
> > if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales 
> > team at 800-444-4443.
> > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
> > for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
> >
> > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> > simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will 
> > then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request 
> > additional information if necessary.
> >
> > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at
> > 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.
> >
> > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office 
> > version is not part of 

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Marcie Chaney via Talk]

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and they 
told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen reader 
portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to 11 is quite 
costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is not a direct 
answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to WE after WE goes 
away.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central but 
clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down.  I 
would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up and 
if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for 
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 
wrote:

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> Loy via Talk wrote:
> >
> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> >
> >
> > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
> > family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended 
> > in the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States 
> > and Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We 
> > are committed to our customers and will honor existing product 
> > purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue 
> > to provide technical support to end users that have purchased 
> > Window-Eyes or a support package.
> >
> > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use 
> > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> > and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> > adequately for your needs.
> >
> > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are 
> > offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to 
> > providing a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes 
> > product purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as 
> > follows.
> > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will 
> > be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
> > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue 
> > to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, 
> > if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales 
> > team at 800-444-4443.
> > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
> > for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
> >
> > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> > simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will 
> > then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request 
> > additional information if necessary.
> >
> > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at
> > 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.
> >
> > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office 
> > version is not part of the conversion program.
> >
> > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us 
> > at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
> >
> >
> > Aaron Smith
> > VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
> > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 
> > 6208 F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com
> >
> > The information contained in this communication is confidential, may 
> > constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of 
> > the addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, 
> > disclosure or 

Another Concern About Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Marcie Chaney via Talk]

A concern that I have had since FS and GWMicro/ai squared became VFO is the 
concern that a list that is sponsored by or at least monitored by the producer 
of the screen reader used is available. This list always had people monitoring 
what was going on on the list to address problems and concerns and I always 
thought GW Micro had a better support process than FS and I used them both 
because I was a user of both products to give my clients/students alternatives 
to accessibility. So I guess it's going to be Windows narrator and NVDA to have 
an alternative to jaws. I always thought that the tutorials and other training 
from GW Micro was excellent. I'm hoping that the attitudes and expertise 
brought to VFO from ai squared/gw micro is combined to make it a better place. 
I used to be not so thrilled by SF's attitude toward resolving problems that 
customers had with JAWS.
Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Matthew,

I wanted to formally address this question.  You can install JAWS on as many 
computers as you need.  We give you 3 keys but will reset and are very 
understanding to this sort of thing. As long as you are not reformatting your 
computers, you should not be losing keys.

As for the work question with a network, we routinely do this also for people 
that need to set up a license server with 1 or 2 keys for their use only.  We 
don't advertise this but something we make available with cost, upon request.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:57 AM
To: Joseph Norton via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

My question is:  On how many computers can we install JAWS?  The reason I ask 
is that I use three computers - a virtual machine on a MacBook Pro, my desktop, 
and a new laptop.  Under Window-Eyes, as long as we adhered to their licensing 
requirements, we could have as many installs as we needed.  With the new JAWS, 
that may not be the case.  In that instance, I have issues about migrating.  
Worse, still, if a computer crashes, and we've gone through our allotted 
installs, I will not pay for another brand-new copy.  This kind of "too bad, so 
sad" response has the prospect of generating customer bad will.


Another example of the licensing issue appeared when I was working for the 
state.  I needed to have eight PC's on a network running Window-Eyes.  As long 
as I didn't run them all with WE at the same time, I only needed one copy.  
With an install limitation via JAWS, the state would have had to pay out more 
money, a disincentive for hiring us.  
Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao




On 5/15/2017 11:47 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> You don’t even have to uninstall Window-Eyes.  It will happily co-exist with 
> Jaws.  Just decide which one you want to autostart and bring up the other 
> whenever you want it.  Don’t know how long app central and the other Web 
> services will be around, but, if Window-Eyes does what you want for the 
> present, you will not be compelled to just stop using it.
>
> I, myself, will try to get my funds together to upgrade, but, I do not feel 
> an urgency to start using Jaws right away.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Loy via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
> We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support 
> package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> adequately for your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
> 

RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

You will have to download Window-Eyes for Office as a new installation per
each computer you use because of how it authorizes per each computer.  I
could be incorrect though.  I'm sure someone will advise.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away,
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in
order for it to work. 

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that? 

Karen Poulakos

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A JAWS Question

[Rebecca Lineberger via Talk]

A question.  In Window-Eyes, with the desktop layout, you can use either the
insert key or the caps lock key as a modifier.  Insert t for time, for
example, or caps lock key t for time.   Does JAWS give me the same choice?

Insert key t for title , for example, or caps lock key for title?

In one of the tutorials Doug mentioned, it was stated that incert up arrow
would read the current line.  Up arrow could be either the 8 on the number
pad or the up arrow of the up-side down t arrow keys.

It would be great if we had the choice between the insert and caps lock key.
That might make certain keystrokes easier for those with hand issues.

Rebecca

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you.

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RE: Mailinglist

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

This may have been it a long time ago, but, the current one is run at 
groups.io.  Send a blank message to j...@groups.io and that should do it.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: William Vandervest via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:49 PM
To: Matthew Dyer; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Mailinglist

i just tryed that link and got a message saying the message could not be 
delivered, reason given was a perminant error





timelor...@comcast.net

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd
-Original Message- 
From: Matthew Dyer via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 17:48
To: 'David' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Mailinglist

Davi,

Try this,  jaws-users-subbscr...@jaws-users.com.
HTH.

Matthew


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+ilovecountrymusic483=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:37 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist 
Subject: Mailinglist

Anyone knows the sign-up address and procedure for a mailinglist, similar to
this one, for Jaws?


And does there exist any mailinglist for those who want to develop
Scripts (or apps, or whatever they are named under Jaws)?


Thanks,


-- 
David

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Re: WE voices

[mattias via Talk]

but not much voices

the description says the package contains e.g german,danish,swedish but 
the demo dosen't



Den 2017-05-16 kl. 01:30, skrev net bat via Talk:
   or if you can aford this you can get the vocalizer voices that are 
not locked to any screen reader for $115.

they will work with any screen reader that uses sapi 5 speech.
one set of voices for all.
http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info=20_id=242=efd043a5babc5f5b56bc5fb982ba0ecc 



-Original Message- From: Chris G via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:46 PM
To: Don H via Talk
Subject: Re: WE voices

The short answer is, yes.
You can download Vocalizer Expressive Vocalizer and even RealSpeak.
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/synthesizers




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 Original Message 
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:16 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE voices

If we have purchased the vocalizer and vocalizer express voices for WE
Will we receive the same voices for JAWS for free?
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RE: size of jaws installation file

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

If you are using a 64 bit computer (most of us are), the file length is 
185,457,104 bytes and the file name is J18.0.2740enu-x64.exe.  I downloaded it 
twice to make sure I got the same thing.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: BK via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:26 PM
To: AI Squared
Subject: size of jaws installation file

Hello, can someone tell me the correct size of the jaws 18 installation
file? I have downloaded it three times and each file is much different
in size. Plus, I got a mac afee site warning saying that file contains
viruses or dangerous content. I proceeded anyway, hoping it was a false
positive. thanks for any help.

Butch
-- 
BK 

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Thanks, Joseph.

That is very helpful.

All the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
; Doug Geoffray 
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi:

2 things:

First, to increase rate temporarily, use control-alt-page-up.  To decrease rate 
temporarily, use control-alt-page-down.  To increase rate permanently, use 
control-windows-alt page-up.  To decrease rate permanently, use 
control-windows-alt page-down.

Second, there is a command in JAWS that you can use to search for something you 
want to do.   If you press Insert-space, then, the letter j, you can search for 
what you are trying to do.  After pressing Insert-space j, type something (like 
rate).  Press tab and you’ll be on a page that will tell you the commands that 
have to do with rate.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:48 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I went and downloaded Jaws 18, I can't for the life of me remember how to 
change the speech rate, etc. also I want jaws to start at the logon screen??

-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:50 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't 
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not 
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
code?
Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting

Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Karen Poulakos via Talk]

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away,
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in
order for it to work. 

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that? 

Karen Poulakos

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RE: Jaws And Deck-talk Express

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

Press Insert-J to go into the JAWS window.  Then, go into the Utilities menu 
and select Synthesizer and Braillle manager.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:20 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Jaws And Deck-talk Express

Okay,
How do I get in to the braille and synthesizer manager?

Pastor Gil
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Or did we simply want to be skeptical, until proven evidence, not rumour, came 
our way?

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:54 PM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Remember that there are none so blind as those who could not or would 
not see.




On 5/16/2017 2:20 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:
> We's bright future. Told y'all fake news now?
>
>
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
>
> Reeva
>
> On May 15, 2017 9:14 AM, "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
>> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
>> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
>> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
>> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software
>> maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support
>> to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>>
>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
>> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
>> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
>> your needs.
>>
>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
>> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
>> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
>> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
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>> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
>> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
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>> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
>> team at 800-444-4443.
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>> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
>> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
>> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>>
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>> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
>> with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information
>> if necessary.
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>>
>> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
>> not part of the conversion program.
>>
>> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
>> mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>>
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Roger,

Oh, man, if only, wouldn't that be awesome?

Thinking about it sure made me feel good.

Thanks, and all the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:35 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hi Doug,

Is there any chance another company could buy window-eyes and keep it
developing in to the great screen reader it is now?

What a crying shame we blind screen reader folks only have one choice here
in the U.S. for screen readers!!

So I am again looking at Dolphin screen reader, since I use to have it back
with version 3.5 and also learning better how to use NVDA, though NVDA has a
good way to go to equal Window-eyes!

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

Roger A. Behm, President 
1611 Clover Lane 
Janesville WI 53545-1388 
Fax: 608-758-7898 
Voice: 608-758-0933 
Email: aist...@ameritech.net 
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:48 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you
can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you
need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.
So 9.5.4 is the last version.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. 
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
 End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
 If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an
upgrade to JAWS 18.
 If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at
800-444-4443.
 Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end
users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.


Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

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Re: Mailinglist

[Ian Westerland via Talk]

There may be a typo in the link.  I noticed subscribe was spelt iwith 
"subbscribe" instead of subscribe.
I did the same thing the other day with a subscription and wondered why 
it failed.


Regards



Ian Westerland







On 5/16/2017 9:49 AM, William Vandervest via Talk wrote:

i just tryed that link and got a message saying the message could not be
delivered, reason given was a perminant error





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There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

William and Leader Dog Lynerd
-Original Message- From: Matthew Dyer via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 17:48
To: 'David' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Mailinglist

Davi,

Try this,  jaws-users-subbscr...@jaws-users.com.
HTH.

Matthew


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+ilovecountrymusic483=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:37 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist 
Subject: Mailinglist

Anyone knows the sign-up address and procedure for a mailinglist,
similar to
this one, for Jaws?


And does there exist any mailinglist for those who want to develop
Scripts (or apps, or whatever they are named under Jaws)?


Thanks,



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Re: wineyes to jaws

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

The migration web page of GW Micro already has a few audio and text 
tutorials about the transition. JAWS has a lot of features, and they are 
organized differently than in Window-Eyes, but they also have a lot of help 
information.
VFO Group doesn't run support e-mail lists, as far as I know, which is why 
Doug is advising us to keep discussions on this list more on-topic than they 
have been in recent months. I don't know where all the JAWS user support 
e-mail lists are, but I expect to find out soon enough.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: brice Mijares via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:25 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: wineyes to jaws

I'm not happy wineyes is going away, but I'm surely glad it's not
costing me to make the switch to Jaws. I've been slowly learning NVDA,
so it will be no bother to slowly  learn Jaws. I just hope there is some
good audio learning material. I've been a happy customer of window eyes
for nearly 20 years. Will this list continue for us new-bes? I don't
think the jaws list will be happy to all the questions from new-bes!
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Re: Jaws voices

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

No, eloquence and vocalizer are 2 completely different voices. Jaws does
not have dectalk available.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 5:19 PM, "Lisa McManus via Talk" 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> From my limited understanding of jaws, I understand that it has two
> voices, eloquence and vocalize.
>
> Is vocalize the same voice window-eyes uses that has dec talk 32 in it?
>
> Thanks
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Re: Mailinglist

[William Vandervest via Talk]

i just tryed that link and got a message saying the message could not be 
delivered, reason given was a perminant error






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William and Leader Dog Lynerd
-Original Message- 
From: Matthew Dyer via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 17:48
To: 'David' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Mailinglist

Davi,

Try this,  jaws-users-subbscr...@jaws-users.com.
HTH.

Matthew


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+ilovecountrymusic483=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:37 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist 
Subject: Mailinglist

Anyone knows the sign-up address and procedure for a mailinglist, similar to
this one, for Jaws?


And does there exist any mailinglist for those who want to develop
Scripts (or apps, or whatever they are named under Jaws)?


Thanks,


--
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Re: WE voices

[net bat via Talk]

   or if you can aford this you can get the vocalizer voices that are not 
locked to any screen reader for $115.

they will work with any screen reader that uses sapi 5 speech.
one set of voices for all.
http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info=20_id=242=efd043a5babc5f5b56bc5fb982ba0ecc

-Original Message- 
From: Chris G via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:46 PM
To: Don H via Talk
Subject: Re: WE voices

The short answer is, yes.
You can download Vocalizer Expressive Vocalizer and even RealSpeak.
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/synthesizers




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 Original Message 
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:16 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE voices

If we have purchased the vocalizer and vocalizer express voices for WE
Will we receive the same voices for JAWS for free?
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Migration of Features?

[Andre via Talk]

Have any Window-Eyes features been implemented into Jaws like its various
scripting languages flexibility? If not, is that something on the table? How
about other Window-Eyes features? To me, it's great if you have a current
retail copy of WE, but I think VFO could have gone even farther and should
in making the Window-Eyes customers feel more like giving JAWS a try. I
think most of us feel like strangers to JAWS and that would go along way in
feeling at home with JAWS assuming they want to keep the customer database
as satisfied customers. Afterall, Window-Eyes already has a Jaws keyboard
layout. How difficult is it for VFO to have created a Window-Eyes keyboard
layout which would make learning Jaws and getting up to speed with it a
whole lpot easier?

 

I don't think a company should be too arogant just because they appear to be
the only game in town. Upstart companies arrive on the seen everyday and
take the game to a whole new level.

 

Just my opinions!

 

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size of jaws installation file

[BK via Talk]

Hello, can someone tell me the correct size of the jaws 18 installation
file? I have downloaded it three times and each file is much different
in size. Plus, I got a mac afee site warning saying that file contains
viruses or dangerous content. I proceeded anyway, hoping it was a false
positive. thanks for any help.

Butch
-- 
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Andre via Talk]

It's very very sad for me as a loyal Window-Eyes user for about 27 years (well 
as a GW Micro client for 27 years). It was such an awesome company with 
tremendous customer service. I'll miss that because they also shared their 
depth of computer knowledge on other matters even if they weren't directly 
associated with Window-Eyes but that just affected overall computer performance.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+stepserve=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris T via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:01 PM
To: Samuel Wilkins; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I feel the same, though I am just going to speed up my move to Mac. I 
already use VoiceOver on most of my devices other than my desktop. I will 
likely do the SMA transfer since I paid for the updates, but I don't think I 
will use Jaws very much.

Regards,

Chris T

-Original Message- 
From: Samuel Wilkins via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

This is indeed very sad.  I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for
nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it.  But I've decided to bow
to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to
be using it, and will not consider NVDA.  I don't blame the staff
remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was
not what they wanted.  I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and
I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to
those no longer working at VFO.
On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada 
> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to 
> our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software 
> maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support 
> to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or 
> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
> your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a 
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x 
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can 
> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free 
> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our 
> sales team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA 
> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple 
> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact 
> you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional 
> information if necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 
> by July 31, 2017.
>
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is 
> not part of the conversion program.
>
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
> mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>
>
> Aaron Smith
> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
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Jaws And Deck-talk Express

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Okay,
How do I get in to the braille and synthesizer manager?

Pastor Gil
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Ian Westerland via Talk]

		Hi Samuel.  I fully endorce your comments about the Staff at 
Window-Eyes.  I bought my first Window-Eyes in 1995-96 and did so 
because of the service, support and the program itself.
It is sad to know Window-Eyes is going but even more important from my 
perspective is that the service and support that were an integral part 
of Window-Eyes is going with it.


Regards



Ian Westerland





On 5/16/2017 7:44 AM, Samuel Wilkins via Talk wrote:

This is indeed very sad.  I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for
nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it.  But I've decided to bow
to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to
be using it, and will not consider NVDA.  I don't blame the staff
remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was
not what they wanted.  I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and
I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to
those no longer working at VFO.
On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:

Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in
the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and
Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are
committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases
and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide
technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a
support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system
and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function
adequately for your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing
a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product
purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our
sales team at 800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a
simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then
contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request
additional information if necessary.

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at
800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version
is not part of the conversion program.

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us
at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.


Aaron Smith
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Chris T via Talk]

I feel the same, though I am just going to speed up my move to Mac. I 
already use VoiceOver on most of my devices other than my desktop. I will 
likely do the SMA transfer since I paid for the updates, but I don't think I 
will use Jaws very much.


Regards,

Chris T

-Original Message- 
From: Samuel Wilkins via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:44 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

This is indeed very sad.  I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for
nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it.  But I've decided to bow
to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to
be using it, and will not consider NVDA.  I don't blame the staff
remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was
not what they wanted.  I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and
I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to
those no longer working at VFO.
On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada 
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to 
our customers and will honor existing product purchases and software 
maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support 
to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or 
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a 
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases 
and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x 
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can 
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free 
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our 
sales team at 800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA 
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple 
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact 
you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional 
information if necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 
by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is 
not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
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RE: installing jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

That’s very strange.

I’ve installed and uninstalled a bunch of things and haven’t gotten that.  You 
might try re-downloading.  Maybe you got a partial download or something.




Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:09 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: installing jaws

I had a trial copy of JAWS installed several months ago.  I downloaded 
the latest copy of JAWS and when I try to install it I only get a dialog 
box that says get aps from ap store and go to settings.  I would say it 
thinks I already have jaws installed.  Is there a JAWS removal tool or a 
way to fix this problem?
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RE: Getting Jaws

[Matthew Dyer via Talk]

David,

Yes you can download the jaws 18 from the freedomscientific website.
Freedomscientific.com and select the downloads link then the jaws link.
Select the 32 bit or 64 bit and you should be all set.  You can go to the
help menu and select update authorization  and past jin your authorization
and follow the prompt and if all good to go.

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+ilovecountrymusic483=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:44 PM
To: WE English Mailinglist 
Subject: Getting Jaws

Is there anywhere I can download and install Jaws?


As I am planning to migrate, will it be possible for me to install Jaws
today, and let it run in some kind of Demo mode until I get my migrated
license key? Or, will I have to then uninstall the demo, and go the long way
around a new installation?




--
David

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RE: Jaws And Deck--talk Express

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

You can use a DecTalk Express.

In JAWS, you need to go into the Synthesizer and Braille Manager and add the 
DecTalk Express to it.

Thanks!


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 5:53 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Jaws And Deck--talk Express

I would like to continue to use my Deck-talk Express.  How do I set this up in 
Jaws?

Pastor Gil
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Jaws voices

[Lisa McManus via Talk]

Hi all,

>From my limited understanding of jaws, I understand that it has two voices, 
>eloquence and vocalize.

Is vocalize the same voice window-eyes uses that has dec talk 32 in it?

Thanks
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RE: Jaws And Deck--talk Express

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Perhaps Vomers to do two things with their beloved screen reader. 1. Clean up 
the code and get rid of some of that older code. 2. Actually make something 
that a works, and b, continues to support the needs of its customers.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marvin Commerford via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:12 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Jaws And Deck--talk Express

I hope I'm wrong but FS/VFO or whatever they call themselves decided that those 
of us who still like hardware synths need to just get with the software speech 
program.  It's just too hard for them to support hardware synths anymore.  I 
still have a Dectalk Express but I mostly use my Doubletalk LT.  Yes, I'm 
grumpy about this!

On 5/15/2017 4:53 PM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:
> I would like to continue to use my Deck-talk Express.  How do I set this up 
> in Jaws?
>
> Pastor Gil
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Re: Jaws And Deck--talk Express

[Marvin Commerford via Talk]

I hope I'm wrong but FS/VFO or whatever they call themselves decided 
that those of us who still like hardware synths need to just get with 
the software speech program.  It's just too hard for them to support 
hardware synths anymore.  I still have a Dectalk Express but I mostly 
use my Doubletalk LT.  Yes, I'm grumpy about this!


On 5/15/2017 4:53 PM, Pastor Gil Pries via Talk wrote:

I would like to continue to use my Deck-talk Express.  How do I set this up in 
Jaws?

Pastor Gil
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi Matthew:

It makes no difference.  The JAWS download is the same whether you get the Home 
or the Pro version.  The Pro version has no functional difference—it’s just 
that it is for use by a company.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:34 PM
To: Don H via Talk
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

How do you get the Pro Edition?--Matthew Chao




On 5/15/2017 1:06 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
> On the JAWS download link provided I don't see a home and pro version. 
> How do you get the home edition?
>
> On 5/15/2017 11:50 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
>> Mark,
>>
>> Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version 
>> won't have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year 
>> you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  
>> If this becomes a problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, 
>> just go to:
>>
>> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
>>
>> Download the version you want and activate it with your new license 
>> code.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Doug
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
>> To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
>> List' 
>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>>
>> HI Doug,
>> How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window 
>> eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the 
>> new authorisation code?
>> Regards
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> Mark Cussons
>> email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
>> Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used 
>> in a
>> work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost 
>> of SMAs
>> and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Don H via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
>> To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>>
>> Aaron,
>> Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between 
>> JAWS Pro
>> and Home versions?
>>
>> On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
>>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
>> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in 
>> the
>> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
>> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed 
>> to our
>> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software 
>> maintenance
>> agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end 
>> users
>> that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>>>
>>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
>> software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
>> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
>> adequately for
>> your needs.
>>>
>>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
>> JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
>> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
>> purchases and
>> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
>>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
>> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
>> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
>>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
>> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
>> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our 
>> sales
>> team at 800-444-4443.
>>> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
>> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
>>> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
>> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>>>
>>> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
>>> simple
>> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then 
>> contact you
>> with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional 
>> information if
>> necessary.
>>>
>>> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
>> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 
>> 800-444-4443
>> by July 31, 2017.
>>>
>>> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office 
>>> version is
>> not part of the conversion program.
>>>
>>> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 

installing jaws

[Don H via Talk]

I had a trial copy of JAWS installed several months ago.  I downloaded 
the latest copy of JAWS and when I try to install it I only get a dialog 
box that says get aps from ap store and go to settings.  I would say it 
thinks I already have jaws installed.  Is there a JAWS removal tool or a 
way to fix this problem?

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RE: a question about window-eyes for office

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

The free Office version is perfectly safe.  Sometime, I think mid-year, it will 
also be phased out, but, it may continue to work even after the download is 
taken down.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Bernard via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:16 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: a question about window-eyes for office

Hi again everyone.

For any of you who have ever tried it, is the free Window-eyes for office
version 9.5.40 safe to use? I know they won't be upgrading it anymore being
that window-eyes has been discontinued, but at least its free and for those
of us who wish to can still at least have a working copy of Window-eyes that
actually works, for the time being, until we're forced to use something
else.

Mike

 

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RE: win eyes to jaws

[Matthew Dyer via Talk]

Hi,  I am running jaws 18 here in a virtual machine here it is quite happy.
Just ,make sure you set the ram the way you want and you should be fine.

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+ilovecountrymusic483=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:09 PM
To: Armando Maldonado ; Window-Eyes
Discussion List 
Subject: RE: win eyes to jaws

But they are in affect saying that. Have you taken the time to read the JAWS
license agreement? And again, don't install JAWS on a virtual. I've tried
it, and it won't stay authorized.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Armando Maldonado via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:58 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: wineyes to jaws

I most definitely agree. VFO could have been asses and said screw ya all,
but they didn't. So, let's accept reallity and move on.
Armando
- Original Message -
From: "brice Mijares via Talk" 
To: "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:25 AM
Subject: wineyes to jaws


> I'm not happy wineyes is going away, but I'm surely glad it's not 
> costing me to make the switch to Jaws. I've been slowly learning NVDA, 
> so it will be no bother to slowly  learn Jaws. I just hope there is 
> some good audio learning material. I've been a happy customer of 
> window eyes for nearly 20 years. Will this list continue for us 
> new-bes? I don't think the jaws list will be happy to all the questions
from new-bes!
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RE: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Actually, the Web page with the tutorials is:

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/



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From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

Brenda,

Unfortunately there is not a Window-Eyes keyboard layout in JAWS.  To help 
people migrate from Window-Eyes to JAWS, there are 8 tutorials that you can 
listen to that talk about changes you may notice.  These tutorials are designed 
for Window-Eyes users switching to JAWS.  You can find the links for the 
tutorials from the following web page:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Regards,
Doug

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On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

Hello List and maybe Doug,


In Window-eyes there was a Jaws keyboard.  Is there a Window-eyes keyboard in 
Jaws?


Are there any tutorials specifically on how to do things I did in 
Window-eyes using Jaws?


I have done some of the on-board Jaws tutorials, but I am having trouble 
figuring out how do to what I used to do with W-e.  for example - using 
the mouse cursor.  Using Jaws I can't seem to move the mouse cursor 
around the screen.  In w-E there was CNTRL-SHIFT-B to change where the 
mouse could go from full screen to focused window to active window.  I 
don't know how to do that in Jaws OR if it would make the mouse cursor 
read more.


I'm asking here instead of a Jaws list as I'm hoping some dual users who 
understand Window-eyes will be able to help me.


Thanks,

brenda



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Jaws And Deck--talk Express

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

I would like to continue to use my Deck-talk Express.  How do I set this up in 
Jaws?

Pastor Gil
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RE: Mailinglist

[Matthew Dyer via Talk]

Davi,

Try this,  jaws-users-subbscr...@jaws-users.com.
HTH.

Matthew


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On Behalf Of David via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:37 AM
To: WE English Mailinglist 
Subject: Mailinglist

Anyone knows the sign-up address and procedure for a mailinglist, similar to
this one, for Jaws?


And does there exist any mailinglist for those who want to develop 
Scripts (or apps, or whatever they are named under Jaws)?


Thanks,


-- 
David

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Re: a question about window-eyes for office

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Well, of course it's safe to  use. I'm not sure why 
anyone would think it wouldn't be safe?


Just keep in mind that if you use the free version, office has to be 
installed.  If it isn't, the free Window-eyes will fail to start.


If you're talking about safety with regards to updates to the software, 
that unfortunately ended today.


9.5.4.0 is the final version of Window-eyes, and won't be updated going 
forward.  the only way to get a full version  of JAWS is to actually 
purchase it outright, and in that case I'd say get yourself a copy of 
NVDA, which is free, and  will work really well.


The above assumes that you're only using the free version.  If you're a 
paid user of Window-eyes and have remaining counts on your SMA, you can 
fill out a form that will entitle you to a free copy of JAWS 18.  You 
can essentially cash in your SMA counts for a version of JAWS that is 
brand new and will be updated going forward.


I hope that helps.









On 5/15/2017 4:16 PM, Mike Bernard via Talk wrote:

Hi again everyone.

For any of you who have ever tried it, is the free Window-eyes for office
version 9.5.40 safe to use? I know they won't be upgrading it anymore being
that window-eyes has been discontinued, but at least its free and for those
of us who wish to can still at least have a working copy of Window-eyes that
actually works, for the time being, until we're forced to use something
else.

Mike

  


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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Samuel Wilkins via Talk]

This is indeed very sad.  I have been a loyal user of Window-Eyes for 
nearly 14 years, and really enjoyed using it.  But I've decided to bow 
to the inevitable and use Jaws, especially since employers are going to 
be using it, and will not consider NVDA.  I don't blame the staff 
remaining behind for Window-Eyes being phased out, I could tell this was 
not what they wanted.  I am glad to have been a user of Window-Eyes, and 
I want to thank Aaron and Doug for all they have done, and the same to 
those no longer working at VFO.

On 15/05/2017 15:14, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:

Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. We 
regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United States 
and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should contact their 
local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers and will honor 
existing product purchases and software maintenance agreements, and we will 
continue to provide technical support to end users that have purchased 
Window-Eyes or a support package.

All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the software 
indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or applications 
change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for your needs.

We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® 
for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a smooth 
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and software 
maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase 
an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to 
use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are 
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.

To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web 
form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with an 
authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if necessary.

Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by 
July 31, 2017.

Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not 
part of the conversion program.

If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.


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RE: Window-eyes demise

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

If you have a current WE sma you can get it for free.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Mike Bernard via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:53 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Window-eyes demise

This concerns me lots. I depend on screen reader access, not only at home, but 
also at school. The next time I need the technical people on campus to make a 
computer in a classroom accessible for me, just what am I supposed to tell 
them? Window-eyes is really all I've ever known! Certainly I've used Jaws here 
and there, but I can't afford to purchase Jaws. I can't afford the high price, 
and I certainly wouldn't want to put my school in a financial bind, by 
expecting them to purchase such a high-priced screen reader. I've heard of 
VFO's prices, and they're outrageous!

Mike

 

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RE: jaws and kurzweil

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Yes it should.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of david pearson via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 5:07 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: jaws and kurzweil

Will Jaws go silent when Kurzweil 1000 comes up? 

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jaws and kurzweil

[david pearson via Talk]

Will Jaws go silent when Kurzweil 1000 comes up? 


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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Hi:

2 things:

First, to increase rate temporarily, use control-alt-page-up.  To decrease rate 
temporarily, use control-alt-page-down.  To increase rate permanently, use 
control-windows-alt page-up.  To decrease rate permanently, use 
control-windows-alt page-down.

Second, there is a command in JAWS that you can use to search for something you 
want to do.   If you press Insert-space, then, the letter j, you can search for 
what you are trying to do.  After pressing Insert-space j, type something (like 
rate).  Press tab and you’ll be on a page that will tell you the commands that 
have to do with rate.

Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:48 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I went and downloaded Jaws 18, I can't for the life of me remember how to 
change the speech rate, etc. also I want jaws to start at the logon screen??

-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:50 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't 
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not 
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
code?
Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.
>
> Note, 

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Alison,

If you mean because people talked nasty on the list, I would say no.
Jaws has had the upper hand for many, many years.
It made sense that this happened this way.
It isn't right; it just happened.
Injustice and capitalism run in tandem.

Peace,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:13 PM
To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I can't help but think we talked ourselves into this situation!

 

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Darrel,

Are you saying that even if you don't roll back to a previous snapshot in 
VMWare Workstation, Jaws still de-authorizes itself?

Thanks,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:01 PM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

And my experiences with using JAWS on a virtual machine, for the love of sanity 
don't do it. It won't stay authorized.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:59 AM
To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

You have to reset, but you only get one reset, unless you do it over the phone.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:57 AM
To: Joseph Norton via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

My question is:  On how many computers can we install JAWS?  The reason I ask 
is that I use three computers - a virtual machine on a MacBook Pro, my desktop, 
and a new laptop.  Under Window-Eyes, as long as we adhered to their licensing 
requirements, we could have as many installs as we needed.  With the new JAWS, 
that may not be the case.  In that instance, I have issues about migrating.  
Worse, still, if a computer crashes, and we've gone through our allotted 
installs, I will not pay for another brand-new copy.  This kind of "too bad, so 
sad" response has the prospect of generating customer bad will.


Another example of the licensing issue appeared when I was working for the 
state.  I needed to have eight PC's on a network running Window-Eyes.  As long 
as I didn't run them all with WE at the same time, I only needed one copy.  
With an install limitation via JAWS, the state would have had to pay out more 
money, a disincentive for hiring us.  
Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao




On 5/15/2017 11:47 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> You don’t even have to uninstall Window-Eyes.  It will happily co-exist with 
> Jaws.  Just decide which one you want to autostart and bring up the other 
> whenever you want it.  Don’t know how long app central and the other Web 
> services will be around, but, if Window-Eyes does what you want for the 
> present, you will not be compelled to just stop using it.
>
> I, myself, will try to get my funds together to upgrade, but, I do not feel 
> an urgency to start using Jaws right away.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Loy via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
> We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support 
> package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> adequately for your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
> purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
> converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase 
> an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to 
> use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if 
> you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team 
> at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
> for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> 

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Matthew,

I wanted to formally address this question.  You can install JAWS on as many 
computers as you need.  We give you 3 keys but will reset and are very 
understanding to this sort of thing. As long as you are not reformatting your 
computers, you should not be losing keys.

As for the work question with a network, we routinely do this also for people 
that need to set up a license server with 1 or 2 keys for their use only.  We 
don't advertise this but something we make available with cost, upon request.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Matthew Chao via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:57 AM
To: Joseph Norton via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

My question is:  On how many computers can we install JAWS?  The reason I ask 
is that I use three computers - a virtual machine on a MacBook Pro, my desktop, 
and a new laptop.  Under Window-Eyes, as long as we adhered to their licensing 
requirements, we could have as many installs as we needed.  With the new JAWS, 
that may not be the case.  In that instance, I have issues about migrating.  
Worse, still, if a computer crashes, and we've gone through our allotted 
installs, I will not pay for another brand-new copy.  This kind of "too bad, so 
sad" response has the prospect of generating customer bad will.


Another example of the licensing issue appeared when I was working for the 
state.  I needed to have eight PC's on a network running Window-Eyes.  As long 
as I didn't run them all with WE at the same time, I only needed one copy.  
With an install limitation via JAWS, the state would have had to pay out more 
money, a disincentive for hiring us.  
Just my thoughts.--Matthew Chao




On 5/15/2017 11:47 AM, Joseph Norton via Talk wrote:
> You don’t even have to uninstall Window-Eyes.  It will happily co-exist with 
> Jaws.  Just decide which one you want to autostart and bring up the other 
> whenever you want it.  Don’t know how long app central and the other Web 
> services will be around, but, if Window-Eyes does what you want for the 
> present, you will not be compelled to just stop using it.
>
> I, myself, will try to get my funds together to upgrade, but, I do not feel 
> an urgency to start using Jaws right away.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Loy via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
> We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support 
> package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> adequately for your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
> purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
> converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase 
> an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to 
> use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if 
> you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team 
> at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
> for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then 
> contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request 
> additional information if necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 
> 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.

Re: WE voices

[Chris G via Talk]

The short answer is, yes.
You can download Vocalizer Expressive Vocalizer and even RealSpeak.
http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/synthesizers




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 Original Message 
From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:16 PM EST
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WE voices

If we have purchased the vocalizer and vocalizer express voices for WE
Will we receive the same voices for JAWS for free?
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Reeva,

Well, since Doug said that Window-Eyes will be around as long as it allows us 
to access our PCs, and since the apps add functionality to Window-Eyes, App 
Central will stay up and running.

All the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:17 AM
To: cov...@ccs.covici.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Question, since we is done, how much longer will app central be around for
those using we/the we version of zt fusion?

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 10:12 AM, "John Covici via Talk" 
wrote:

> I think the message said you can use WE indefinitely.
>
> On Mon, 15 May 2017 10:28:11 -0400,
> Loy via Talk wrote:
> >
> > Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we
> > convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> > - Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk"
> > 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> > Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> >
> >
> > Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and
> > Window-Eyes family. We regret to announce that sales of
> > Window-Eyes have ended in the United States and Canada. Users
> > outside of the United States and Canada should contact their
> > local distributor for options. We are committed to our customers
> > and will honor existing product purchases and software
> > maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical
> > support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support
> > package.
> >
> > All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use
> > the software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating
> > system and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not
> > function adequately for your needs.
> >
> > We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are
> > offering JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed
> > to providing a smooth transition and will honor existing
> > Window-Eyes product purchases and software maintenance agreements
> > (SMA), as follows.
> > . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
> > will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> > . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> > purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> > . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
> > continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the
> > free version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please
> > contact our sales team at 800-444-4443.
> > . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
> > program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> > Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
> >
> > To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete
> > a simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who
> > will then contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or
> > request additional information if necessary.
> >
> > Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
> > http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at
> > 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.
> >
> > Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office
> > version is not part of the conversion program.
> >
> > If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email
> > us at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
> >
> >
> > Aaron Smith
> > VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
> > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
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RE: wineyes to jaws

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Thanks, Joseph.

All the best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:42 PM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: RE: wineyes to jaws

To subscribe to the JFW list, send a blank Email to:

jfw+subscr...@groups.io
That should do it.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:00 PM
To: Brenda via Talk
Subject: Re: wineyes to jaws

I'm glad to hear there is some learning material, and no, I don't know 
of any list for Jaws users, but I do know they exist. Thanks for the info.

On 5/15/2017 9:39 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:
> Hey Brice,
> 
> Jaws has some really good tutorials.
> 
> 
> can you give us any jaws lists for asking jaws questions?  too bad if 
> they don't like new folks asking stuff, but I suspect they will be glad 
> we are coming over to the dark side.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/15/2017 11:25 AM, brice Mijares via Talk wrote:
>> I'm not happy wineyes is going away, but I'm surely glad it's not 
>> costing me to make the switch to Jaws. I've been slowly learning NVDA, 
>> so it will be no bother to slowly  learn Jaws. I just hope there is 
>> some good audio learning material. I've been a happy customer of 
>> window eyes for nearly 20 years. Will this list continue for us 
>> new-bes? I don't think the jaws list will be happy to all the 
>> questions from new-bes!
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Matthew Chao via Talk]

How do you get the Pro Edition?--Matthew Chao




On 5/15/2017 1:06 PM, Don H via Talk wrote:
On the JAWS download link provided I don't see a home and pro version. 
How do you get the home edition?


On 5/15/2017 11:50 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version 
won't have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year 
you will not be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  
If this becomes a problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, 
just go to:


http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license 
code.


Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' 

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window 
eyes? So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the 
new authorisation code?

Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used 
in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost 
of SMAs

and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between 
JAWS Pro

and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:

Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in 
the

United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed 
to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software 
maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end 
users

that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the

software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
adequately for

your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering

JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
purchases and

software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.

. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x

will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.

. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can

purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.

. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can

continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our 
sales

team at 800-444-4443.

. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA

program for end users that migrate to JAWS.

Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then 
contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional 
information if

necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 
800-444-4443

by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office 
version is

not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at

mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



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JAWS migration

[Don H via Talk]

I have to think that Doug had a lot to do with WE users getting a free 
migration to JAWS.  I want to thank him for that even though I would 
have much rather had WE continue to be the best screen reader around.

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RE: WE voices

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Don,

Of course JAWS comes with Eloquence and Vocalizer Expressive.  So those you get 
no matter what.  But any other voices you may have purchased for your copy of 
Window-Eyes will not migrate over.

Regards,
Doug

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On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:17 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: WE voices

If we have purchased the vocalizer and vocalizer express voices for WE Will we 
receive the same voices for JAWS for free?
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Re: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

[John Covici via Talk]

That webpage does not have any links like that.

On Mon, 15 May 2017 14:58:20 -0400,
Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> 
> Brenda,
> 
> Unfortunately there is not a Window-Eyes keyboard layout in JAWS.  To help 
> people migrate from Window-Eyes to JAWS, there are 8 tutorials that you can 
> listen to that talk about changes you may notice.  These tutorials are 
> designed for Window-Eyes users switching to JAWS.  You can find the links for 
> the tutorials from the following web page:
> 
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
> 
> Regards,
> Doug
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:51 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: Window-eyes commands using Jaws
> 
> Hello List and maybe Doug,
> 
> 
> In Window-eyes there was a Jaws keyboard.  Is there a Window-eyes keyboard in 
> Jaws?
> 
> 
> Are there any tutorials specifically on how to do things I did in 
> Window-eyes using Jaws?
> 
> 
> I have done some of the on-board Jaws tutorials, but I am having trouble 
> figuring out how do to what I used to do with W-e.  for example - using 
> the mouse cursor.  Using Jaws I can't seem to move the mouse cursor 
> around the screen.  In w-E there was CNTRL-SHIFT-B to change where the 
> mouse could go from full screen to focused window to active window.  I 
> don't know how to do that in Jaws OR if it would make the mouse cursor 
> read more.
> 
> 
> I'm asking here instead of a Jaws list as I'm hoping some dual users who 
> understand Window-eyes will be able to help me.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> brenda
> 
> 
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WE voices

[Don H via Talk]

If we have purchased the vocalizer and vocalizer express voices for WE 
Will we receive the same voices for JAWS for free?

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a question about window-eyes for office

[Mike Bernard via Talk]

Hi again everyone.

For any of you who have ever tried it, is the free Window-eyes for office
version 9.5.40 safe to use? I know they won't be upgrading it anymore being
that window-eyes has been discontinued, but at least its free and for those
of us who wish to can still at least have a working copy of Window-eyes that
actually works, for the time being, until we're forced to use something
else.

Mike

 

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Window-eyes demise

[Mike Bernard via Talk]

This concerns me lots. I depend on screen reader access, not only at home,
but also at school. The next time I need the technical people on campus to
make a computer in a classroom accessible for me, just what am I supposed to
tell them? Window-eyes is really all I've ever known! Certainly I've used
Jaws here and there, but I can't afford to purchase Jaws. I can't afford the
high price, and I certainly wouldn't want to put my school in a financial
bind, by expecting them to purchase such a high-priced screen reader. I've
heard of VFO's prices, and they're outrageous!

Mike

 

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Another question. Will any sort of break be given to people who bought the
we version of zt fusion? Also, is it true that the neospeech voices will
not be in the new jfw version of fusion?  If the answer is that they won't
be, i urge y'all to consider putting them in. Zt without kate and paul is
like jfw without eloquence.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 15, 2017 2:38 PM, "Doug Geoffray via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

David,

Tandem is a feature that lets one JAWS users remotely assist another JAWS
users. Window-Eyes had a similar feature.  I'm not sure why they broke up
the installers with and without Tandem other than to bring the installer
size down and less to run.   You could always switch later if you felt you
needed Tandem or you no longer want it.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:34 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Confused.


I did go to the webpage provided by Doug. Here I am supposed to choose the
version of Jaws to download. OK, I do understand the stuff about 32 64bit.
What confuses me, is that there is first a choice for 32/64bit, and then
the same for something that says non-tandem.


What should I go for, and will that have any impact on the licensing?


Further, it asks me to choose my prefered language. What is the licensing
of Jaws, when comes to english/non-English versions? Can you freely switch
within the set of supported languages, or is it the way you download and
license one given language, and are stuck with that language forever?


Thanks for any pointers.



David

On 5/15/2017 6:50 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:
>
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
>
> Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
> To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
> List' 
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> HI Doug,
> How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes?
So how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new
authorisation code?
> Regards
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Cussons
> email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Don,
>
> It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used
> in a work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The
> cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.
>
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Aaron,
> Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS
> Pro and Home versions?
>
> On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in
> the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a
support package.
>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
> software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function
> adequately for your needs.
>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are
>> offering
> JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing
> a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product
> purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>> . If you are using an earlier version of 

Window-eyes commands using Jaws

[Brenda via Talk]

Here is a better link ... per doug

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/



This should be what we all need.

Brenda
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

David,

Tandem is a feature that lets one JAWS users remotely assist another JAWS 
users. Window-Eyes had a similar feature.  I'm not sure why they broke up the 
installers with and without Tandem other than to bring the installer size down 
and less to run.   You could always switch later if you felt you needed Tandem 
or you no longer want it.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:trailerda...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:34 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Confused.


I did go to the webpage provided by Doug. Here I am supposed to choose the 
version of Jaws to download. OK, I do understand the stuff about 32 64bit. What 
confuses me, is that there is first a choice for 32/64bit, and then the same 
for something that says non-tandem.


What should I go for, and will that have any impact on the licensing?


Further, it asks me to choose my prefered language. What is the licensing of 
Jaws, when comes to english/non-English versions? Can you freely switch within 
the set of supported languages, or is it the way you download and license one 
given language, and are stuck with that language forever?


Thanks for any pointers.



David

On 5/15/2017 6:50 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have 
> an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be 
> able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
> problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:
>
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
>
> Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
> To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
> List' 
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> HI Doug,
> How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
> how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
> code?
> Regards
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Cussons
> email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Don,
>
> It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used 
> in a work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The 
> cost of SMAs and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.
>
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Aaron,
> Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS 
> Pro and Home versions?
>
> On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in 
> the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support 
> package.
>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
> software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system 
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> adequately for your needs.
>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are 
>> offering
> JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing 
> a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
> purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free 
> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our 
> sales team at 800-444-4443.
>> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
>> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
> 

RE: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Brenda,

Yikes, I posted the wrong URL for you.  The correct URL is:

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/

Sorry for that.  There is a tutorial specifically talking about the differences 
of how to read the screen and how the JAWS/PC cursor works under JAWS.

Regards,,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:19 PM
To: Doug Geoffray via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

Has anyone found the tutorials doug is talking about?  I looked on the link he 
provided but can't find any tutorials.
thanks
Brenda
On 5/15/2017 2:58 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Brenda,
>
> Unfortunately there is not a Window-Eyes keyboard layout in JAWS.  To help 
> people migrate from Window-Eyes to JAWS, there are 8 tutorials that you can 
> listen to that talk about changes you may notice.  These tutorials are 
> designed for Window-Eyes users switching to JAWS.  You can find the links for 
> the tutorials from the following web page:
>
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:51 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: Window-eyes commands using Jaws
>
> Hello List and maybe Doug,
>
>
> In Window-eyes there was a Jaws keyboard.  Is there a Window-eyes keyboard in 
> Jaws?
>
>
> Are there any tutorials specifically on how to do things I did in 
> Window-eyes using Jaws?
>
>
> I have done some of the on-board Jaws tutorials, but I am having 
> trouble figuring out how do to what I used to do with W-e.  for 
> example - using the mouse cursor.  Using Jaws I can't seem to move the 
> mouse cursor around the screen.  In w-E there was CNTRL-SHIFT-B to 
> change where the mouse could go from full screen to focused window to 
> active window.  I don't know how to do that in Jaws OR if it would 
> make the mouse cursor read more.
>
>
> I'm asking here instead of a Jaws list as I'm hoping some dual users 
> who understand Window-eyes will be able to help me.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> brenda
>
>
>
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[David via Talk]

Confused.


I did go to the webpage provided by Doug. Here I am supposed to choose 
the version of Jaws to download. OK, I do understand the stuff about 32 
64bit. What confuses me, is that there is first a choice for 32/64bit, 
and then the same for something that says non-tandem.


What should I go for, and will that have any impact on the licensing?


Further, it asks me to choose my prefered language. What is the 
licensing of Jaws, when comes to english/non-English versions? Can you 
freely switch within the set of supported languages, or is it the way 
you download and license one given language, and are stuck with that 
language forever?


Thanks for any pointers.



David

On 5/15/2017 6:50 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have 
> an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be 
> able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
> problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:
>
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
>
> Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
> To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> 
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> HI Doug,
> How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
> how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
> code?
> Regards
> Mark
>
>
> Mark Cussons
> email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Don,
>
> It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
> work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
> and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.
>
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Aaron,
> Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
> and Home versions?
>
> On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
> agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
> that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
> software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
> your needs.
>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
> JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
> team at 800-444-4443.
>> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
>> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
> with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
> necessary.
>> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
> by July 31, 2017.
>> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
> not part of the conversion program.
>> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
> mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>>
>> Aaron Smith
>> VFOT | 

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

Ins-j then alt-o for options and basics to set JAWS to be available at login
and so on and down-arrow to Voices to adjust rate and so on.
HTH

Amanda


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:48 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I went and downloaded Jaws 18, I can't for the life of me remember how to
change the speech rate, etc. also I want jaws to start at the logon screen??

-Original Message-
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:50 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation
code?
Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.
>
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version 
> is
not part of the conversion program.
>
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us 
> at
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>
>
> Aaron Smith
> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 
> F 

Re: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

[Brenda via Talk]

Has anyone found the tutorials doug is talking about?  I looked on the 
link he provided but can't find any tutorials.

thanks
Brenda
On 5/15/2017 2:58 PM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:

Brenda,

Unfortunately there is not a Window-Eyes keyboard layout in JAWS.  To help 
people migrate from Window-Eyes to JAWS, there are 8 tutorials that you can 
listen to that talk about changes you may notice.  These tutorials are designed 
for Window-Eyes users switching to JAWS.  You can find the links for the 
tutorials from the following web page:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

Hello List and maybe Doug,


In Window-eyes there was a Jaws keyboard.  Is there a Window-eyes keyboard in 
Jaws?


Are there any tutorials specifically on how to do things I did in
Window-eyes using Jaws?


I have done some of the on-board Jaws tutorials, but I am having trouble
figuring out how do to what I used to do with W-e.  for example - using
the mouse cursor.  Using Jaws I can't seem to move the mouse cursor
around the screen.  In w-E there was CNTRL-SHIFT-B to change where the
mouse could go from full screen to focused window to active window.  I
don't know how to do that in Jaws OR if it would make the mouse cursor
read more.


I'm asking here instead of a Jaws list as I'm hoping some dual users who
understand Window-eyes will be able to help me.


Thanks,

brenda



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RE: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

[Kevin Minor via Talk]

Hi Brenda.

I'll answer how you change what the mouse can read with JAWS.  In JAWS, you're 
restricting what the mouse, or JAWS cursor in JAWS lingo does.  My instructions 
deal with using the numeric keypad.  First, get the JAWS cursor focus by 
hitting the numeric dash key, which is the upper right key on the numeric 
keypad.  Next, hit JAWS+R to change the restriction of the JAWS cursor.  The 
JAWS cursor is the INSERT key on the numpad.

Hope you find this helpful.
Have a blessed day and don't work too hard.
Kevin Minor and the amazing Jilly, Lexington, KY
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Norene Yes you will.  You will also be able to purchase a SMA if needed for
a discounted price.  If you have a SMA for W.E it will transfer over. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:07 PM
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Hello
Currently I am using Windows 7 and window-eyes 9.5.4.0.

Will I be able to download the free version of Jaws?  That would be great!

Norene


-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Yes.  Assuming you are running the retail version, simply write to:

wesupp...@aisquared.com

and they'll produce one for you.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:58 AM
To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Is there a way we can get a downloadable version of window eyes 9.5.4?
So we can have thison hand?
On 5/15/2017 9:48 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you 
> migrate you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back 
> and forth as you need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will 
> no longer be upgraded.  So 9.5.4 is the last version.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
> convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
> family.
> We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the 
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
> Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
> committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
> and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
> technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a
support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system 
> and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
> adequately for your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
> JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing 
> a smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
> purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
> converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase 
> an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to 
> use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if 
> you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team 
> at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
> for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then 
> contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request 
> additional information if necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 
> 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.
>
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version 
> is not part of the conversion program.
>
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us 
> at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>
>
> Aaron Smith
> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208 
> F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com
>
> The information contained in this communication is confidential, may 
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Norene Trappa via Talk]

Hello
Currently I am using Windows 7 and window-eyes 9.5.4.0.

Will I be able to download the free version of Jaws?  That would be great!

Norene


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Singing Sparrow ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Yes.  Assuming you are running the retail version, simply write to:

wesupp...@aisquared.com

and they'll produce one for you.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Singing Sparrow via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:58 AM
To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Is there a way we can get a downloadable version of window eyes 9.5.4?
So we can have thison hand?
On 5/15/2017 9:48 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate 
you can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth 
as you need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be 
upgraded.  So 9.5.4 is the last version.


Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 


Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to 
JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?

- Original Message -
From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
family.
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United 
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should 
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our 
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software 
maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support 
to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or 
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases 
and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an 
upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use 
it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are 
interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for 
end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple 
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact 
you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional 
information if necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 
by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is 
not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
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RE: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Brenda,

Unfortunately there is not a Window-Eyes keyboard layout in JAWS.  To help 
people migrate from Window-Eyes to JAWS, there are 8 tutorials that you can 
listen to that talk about changes you may notice.  These tutorials are designed 
for Window-Eyes users switching to JAWS.  You can find the links for the 
tutorials from the following web page:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:51 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Window-eyes commands using Jaws

Hello List and maybe Doug,


In Window-eyes there was a Jaws keyboard.  Is there a Window-eyes keyboard in 
Jaws?


Are there any tutorials specifically on how to do things I did in 
Window-eyes using Jaws?


I have done some of the on-board Jaws tutorials, but I am having trouble 
figuring out how do to what I used to do with W-e.  for example - using 
the mouse cursor.  Using Jaws I can't seem to move the mouse cursor 
around the screen.  In w-E there was CNTRL-SHIFT-B to change where the 
mouse could go from full screen to focused window to active window.  I 
don't know how to do that in Jaws OR if it would make the mouse cursor 
read more.


I'm asking here instead of a Jaws list as I'm hoping some dual users who 
understand Window-eyes will be able to help me.


Thanks,

brenda



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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

No.


The two co-exist quite happily.


Its a good offer: take it  if you meet the criteria.


Vaughan.




On 5/16/2017 2:28 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we 
convert to JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
- Original Message - From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration


Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes 
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in 
the United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and 
Canada should contact their local distributor for options. We are 
committed to our customers and will honor existing product purchases 
and software maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide 
technical support to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a 
support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system 
and/or applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function 
adequately for your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product 
purchases and software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase 
an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to 
use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if 
you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team 
at 800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
simple web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then 
contact you with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request 
additional information if necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 
800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version 
is not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us 
at mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
ajsm...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com

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Window-eyes commands using Jaws

[Brenda via Talk]

Hello List and maybe Doug,


In Window-eyes there was a Jaws keyboard.  Is there a Window-eyes 
keyboard in Jaws?



Are there any tutorials specifically on how to do things I did in 
Window-eyes using Jaws?



I have done some of the on-board Jaws tutorials, but I am having trouble 
figuring out how do to what I used to do with W-e.  for example - using 
the mouse cursor.  Using Jaws I can't seem to move the mouse cursor 
around the screen.  In w-E there was CNTRL-SHIFT-B to change where the 
mouse could go from full screen to focused window to active window.  I 
don't know how to do that in Jaws OR if it would make the mouse cursor 
read more.



I'm asking here instead of a Jaws list as I'm hoping some dual users who 
understand Window-eyes will be able to help me.



Thanks,

brenda



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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Tony C via Talk]

I went and downloaded Jaws 18, I can't for the life of me remember how to 
change the speech rate, etc. also I want jaws to start at the logon screen??


-Original Message- 
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:50 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't 
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not 
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:


http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 


Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
code?

Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:

Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes

family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the

software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering

JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.

. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x

will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.

. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can

purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.

. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can

continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.

. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA

program for end users that migrate to JAWS.

Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple

web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at

http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is

not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at

mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208
F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com

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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

Dear Aaron,

What a sad day.

I need help.

I had a crupted file on WE so uninstalled it and reinstalled 9.5.4. Several 
things are not working right.

Using Win 10
WE 9.5.4
WLM 2012
Word 2010

When I compose an email in WLM, I cannot read what I write. I have to 
compose the email in Word and then cut and paste into the WLM email.


Also, When I go to Word, I cannot see my list of documents.

In order to get to a document, I open a fresh word document which is blank, 
then merge it into the document that I want. If I can’t remember the exact 
name of the doc, I’m screwed.


Any ideas?

Can you connect to my computer and see if you can figure out what is wrong?

-Bob


-Original Message- 
From: Aaron Smith via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:14 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family. 
We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United 
States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should 
contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our 
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance 
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users 
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or 
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering JAWS® 
for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a smooth 
transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and 
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will 
be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can 
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue 
to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you 
are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 
800-444-4443.
. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program 
for end users that migrate to JAWS.
Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.


To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple 
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you 
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if 
necessary.


Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 
by July 31, 2017.


Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is 
not part of the conversion program.


If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.



Aaron Smith
VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
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ajsm...@vfogroup.com
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RE: switch to Jaws

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Previous versions are able pricing will differ.  See pricing info for
details.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Hicks via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:36 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: switch to Jaws

What version of WE will convert to Jaws??  Only the most recent version or
previous versions eligible?  thanks

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+bob=seeinghandassociation@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: RE: switch to Jaws

Brenda,

There are no immediate plans on shutting down this list.  However, I would
ask members to keep the topics related to VFO products in order to keep the
list going.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Bryan Peterson via Talk 
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

doug and/or Aaron will this list be maintained?It is still very 
valuable.

I wish you the best going forward.


Brian, If you don't believe Aaron or Doug, give VFO a call and see for
yourself.  Aaron and Doug would not scam us.


Darrel, times change, and I doubt Doug and Dan and Aaron would have merged
with AI Squared if they didn't think it would be a good move with the screen
reader market as it is.  I doubt they knew AI squared would merge with VFO.
Nonetheless, this is where we are at, and at least VFO is letting us migrate
to a usuable screen reader that will be developed.


and List...Window-eyes is still the best screen reader for some programs.  I
can't seem to access all of Vipre with jaws although with Window-eyes I can
access Vipre.  And please don't leave this list -there are still questions
to be helped with and it is good to read everyone's posts.


Brenda




On 5/15/2017 11:14 AM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
> I'm not altogether optimistic about the future of Window-Eyes, but at 
> the same time I'm not going to stop using it unless I absolutely have 
> to. As for this supposed offer of free copies of JFW for WE users I'm 
> pretty sure it's a scam. I have a hard time imagining FS giving anyone 
> free copies of JAWS under any circumstances. As for which screen 
> reader I might switch to it probably wouldn't be JAWS, partly because 
> I can't seem to download a demo of the latest version to try before I 
> buy, but also because it's an absolute resource hog. I remember that 
> from the twelve years I used it before switching to WE.
>
>
>
> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
> -Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:07 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: switch to Jaws
>
> I'm not planning on switching to Jaws any time soon!  We works better 
> and takes less overhead!  And, I like the Butch timer app too!
>
>
> Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net
>
> On 5/14/2017 4:47 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
>> I plan to keep using window-eyes as long as it works.  They're not 
>> going to make it diappear.  If it gets to a point where I must switch 
>> to something else, I'll go with n v d a. I suspect window-eyes will 
>> do much of what I need it to do for some time even if they stop 
>> selling and developping it.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>
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RE: switch to Jaws

[Dennis Long via Talk]

You can it will cost $240 I believe.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:56 PM
To: Raul A. Gallegos; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

Well I do have one, albeit not a current one, so I can't take advantage of 
this. It's still back in 8.4. But for some reason I'm unable to download a demo 
of JFW to see if I can justify scraping together the funds for it. I've tried 
with both IE and Firefox and the download gets to a certain point, usually one 
where it still says 0 percent downloaded, and just stops there for a while 
before failing.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message-
From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:16 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

Bryan, it's too bad you feel this way. I think that perhaps you are associating 
Jaws with Freedom Scientific, meaning that if there were things that Freedom 
Scientific did, not VFO, you might be thinking that all the same bad 
experiences may happen again, or continue to happen. In any case, it's not FS, 
(Freedom Scientific) who is giving out free copies of Jaws. So, you are right 
about that. It's VFO who is doing this. can tell you that this is no scam. If 
you hold a retail license of Window-Eyes, you will get a license for Jaws. 
Maybe you think that the folks from the former GW Micro / Ai Squared are lying? 
I don't think so.
*smile*.

--
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Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
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“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
Thornburg

On 5/15/2017 10:14 AM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
> I'm not altogether optimistic about the future of Window-Eyes, but at 
> the same time I'm not going to stop using it unless I absolutely have 
> to. As for this supposed offer of free copies of JFW for WE users I'm 
> pretty sure it's a scam. I have a hard time imagining FS giving anyone 
> free copies of JAWS under any circumstances. As for which screen 
> reader I might switch to it probably wouldn't be JAWS, partly because 
> I can't seem to download a demo of the latest version to try before I 
> buy, but also because it's an absolute resource hog. I remember that 
> from the twelve years I used it before switching to WE.

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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Yes.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:59 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

would the license key work with the jaws demo 18?
i have  been useing this several months , trying to learn how to use it.



-Original Message-
From: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:50 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation
code?
Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.
>
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
not part of the conversion program.
>
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>
>
> Aaron Smith
> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208
> F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com
>
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

The license key determines which version you have.  There is no functional 
difference; it’s just that the Pro version is ued if you are using Jaws for 
business purposes.  The home version will run on either home or Pro versions of 
Windows.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:06 PM
To: Doug Geoffray via Talk
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

On the JAWS download link provided I don't see a home and pro version. 
How do you get the home edition?

On 5/15/2017 11:50 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't have 
> an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not be 
> able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a 
> problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:
> 
> http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS
> 
> Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.
> 
> Regards,
> Doug
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
> To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> 
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> HI Doug,
> How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So 
> how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation 
> code?
> Regards
> Mark
> 
> 
> Mark Cussons
> email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
> Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> Don,
> 
> It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
> work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
> and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
> Of Don H via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
> To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
> 
> Aaron,
> Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
> and Home versions?
> 
> On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
> agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
> that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>>
>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
> software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
> your needs.
>>
>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
> JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
> team at 800-444-4443.
>> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
>> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>>
>> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
> with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
> necessary.
>>
>> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
> by July 31, 2017.
>>
>> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
> not part of the conversion program.
>>
>> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
> mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>>
>>
>> Aaron Smith
>> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
>> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 727-803-8000 x 6208
>> F 727-803-8001 ajsm...@vfogroup.com 

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

You were free to speculate, and yet I and others wanted evidence, since the 
world is against you, as your tag line suggests. (grin)

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:08 AM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Exactly, don't tell me that I was speculating.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> We's bright future. Told y'all fake news now?
> 
> 
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
> 
> Reeva
> 
> On May 15, 2017 9:14 AM, "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
>> family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
>> United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
>> should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
>> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software
>> maintenance agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support
>> to end users that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>> 
>> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
>> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows® operating system and/or
>> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
>> your needs.
>> 
>> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
>> JAWS® for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
>> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
>> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
>> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
>> will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
>> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
>> purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
>> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
>> continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
>> version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
>> team at 800-444-4443.
>> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
>> program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
>> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
>> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>> 
>> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple
>> web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
>> with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information
>> if necessary.
>> 
>> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-
>> eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by July 31, 2017.
>> 
>> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is
>> not part of the conversion program.
>> 
>> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at
>> mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>> 
>> 
>> Aaron Smith
>> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
>> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
>> T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
>> ajsm...@vfogroup.com
>> www.vfogroup.com
>> 
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>> constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the
>> addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or
>> copying of this communication or any part thereof is strictly prohibited
>> and may be unlawful.  If you have received this communication in error,
>> please notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this
>> communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments.
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RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Yes.  Assuming you are running the retail version, simply write to:

wesupp...@aisquared.com

and they'll produce one for you.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Singing Sparrow via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:58 AM
To: Doug Geoffray ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Is there a way we can get a downloadable version of window eyes 9.5.4?
So we can have thison hand?
On 5/15/2017 9:48 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Window-Eyes will continue to run as it always has.  Even if you migrate you 
> can continue to have Window-Eyes installed and switch back and forth as you 
> need to.  The only thing with Window-Eyes is it will no longer be upgraded.  
> So 9.5.4 is the last version.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: Aaron Smith ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> 
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
> Need clarity on one thing. As an current paid user of WE, if we convert to 
> JAWS, does that mean we no longer can use WE?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Aaron Smith via Talk" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:14 AM
> Subject: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration
>
>
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes family.
> We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the United 
> States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada should 
> contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our 
> customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance 
> agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users 
> that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
>
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the 
> software indefinitely; however, as the Windows(r) operating system and/or 
> applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for 
> your needs.
>
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering 
> JAWS(r) for Windows 18 as a replacement. We are committed to providing a 
> smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and 
> software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x will be 
> converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can purchase an 
> upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can continue to use 
> it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free version, if you are 
> interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA program for end 
> users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
>
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a simple web 
> form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you with 
> an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if 
> necessary.
>
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at 
> http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443 by 
> July 31, 2017.
>
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version is not 
> part of the conversion program.
>
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us at 
> mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
>
>
> Aaron Smith
> VFOT | Enterprise Compliance
> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
> T 727-803-8000 x 6208 F 727-803-8001
> ajsm...@vfogroup.com
> www.vfogroup.com
>
> The information contained in this communication is confidential, may
> constitute inside information, and is intended only for the use of the
> addressee. It is the property of VFOT. Unauthorized use, disclosure or
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> notify us immediately by return email, and destroy this communication and
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RE: switch to Jaws

[Bob Hicks via Talk]

What version of WE will convert to Jaws??  Only the most recent version or
previous versions eligible?  thanks

Have a great day!

Bob Hicks

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+bob=seeinghandassociation@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:54 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: RE: switch to Jaws

Brenda,

There are no immediate plans on shutting down this list.  However, I would
ask members to keep the topics related to VFO products in order to keep the
list going.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Bryan Peterson via Talk 
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

doug and/or Aaron will this list be maintained?It is still very 
valuable.

I wish you the best going forward.


Brian, If you don't believe Aaron or Doug, give VFO a call and see for
yourself.  Aaron and Doug would not scam us.


Darrel, times change, and I doubt Doug and Dan and Aaron would have merged
with AI Squared if they didn't think it would be a good move with the screen
reader market as it is.  I doubt they knew AI squared would merge with VFO.
Nonetheless, this is where we are at, and at least VFO is letting us migrate
to a usuable screen reader that will be developed.


and List...Window-eyes is still the best screen reader for some programs.  I
can't seem to access all of Vipre with jaws although with Window-eyes I can
access Vipre.  And please don't leave this list -there are still questions
to be helped with and it is good to read everyone's posts.


Brenda




On 5/15/2017 11:14 AM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
> I'm not altogether optimistic about the future of Window-Eyes, but at 
> the same time I'm not going to stop using it unless I absolutely have 
> to. As for this supposed offer of free copies of JFW for WE users I'm 
> pretty sure it's a scam. I have a hard time imagining FS giving anyone 
> free copies of JAWS under any circumstances. As for which screen 
> reader I might switch to it probably wouldn't be JAWS, partly because 
> I can't seem to download a demo of the latest version to try before I 
> buy, but also because it's an absolute resource hog. I remember that 
> from the twelve years I used it before switching to WE.
>
>
>
> Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
> -Original Message- From: Bob Tinney via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 9:07 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: switch to Jaws
>
> I'm not planning on switching to Jaws any time soon!  We works better 
> and takes less overhead!  And, I like the Butch timer app too!
>
>
> Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net
>
> On 5/14/2017 4:47 PM, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
>> I plan to keep using window-eyes as long as it works.  They're not 
>> going to make it diappear.  If it gets to a point where I must switch 
>> to something else, I'll go with n v d a. I suspect window-eyes will 
>> do much of what I need it to do for some time even if they stop 
>> selling and developping it.
>> 73
>> Butch
>> WA0VJR
>> Node 3148
>> Wallace, ks.
>
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Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I'd probably go for the pro edition myself just so that if I ever did get an 
actual office job I wouldn't then have to shell out more dough. Since while 
you can't use the home edition on a work computer you could in theory use 
the pro edition at home. LOL. I did just now manage to download the demo so 
I guess the last bunch of times I tried must have simply been busy periods. 
So at least I'll be able to get a feel for it and see if I can justify 
saving up.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:23 AM
To: Mark Cussons ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

The home or pro addition refers to your license, not the version of JAWS 
that you download. Home or pro simply means, that you are using it on your 
own system, or you are using it for a business or organization.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Mark Cussons via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:22 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 


Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Doug,
So I could download the home or pro edition is that correct?
Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 06:50 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation
code?
Regards
Mark


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:

Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes

family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.


All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the

software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.


We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering

JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.

. End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x

will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.

. If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can

purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.

. If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can

continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.

. Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA

program for end users that migrate to JAWS.

Learn more about the migration options and 

RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

The home or pro addition refers to your license, not the version of JAWS that 
you download. Home or pro simply means, that you are using it on your own 
system, or you are using it for a business or organization.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Mark Cussons via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:22 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Doug,
So I could download the home or pro edition is that correct?
Regards 
Mark  


Mark Cussons 
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za 
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 06:50 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Mark,

Window-Eyes will continue to run as normal so the everlock version won't
have an issue.  However, I suspect after the first of the year you will not
be able to return a license or authorize a new machine.  If this becomes a
problem, just let me know.  As for getting JAWS, just go to:

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/JAWS

Download the version you want and activate it with your new license code.

Regards,
Doug

-Original Message-
From: Mark Cussons [mailto:lo...@mweb.co.za]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:33 PM
To: Doug Geoffray ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

HI Doug,
How will this affect those of us with everlock versions of window eyes? So
how do you download jaws? Just download it and put in the new authorisation
code?
Regards
Mark  


Mark Cussons
email:  lo...@mweb.co.za
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+lomo1=mweb.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Doug Geoffray via Talk
Sent: 15 May 2017 04:50 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Don,

It is mainly a licensing difference.  The home version cannot be used in a
work environment.  Functionality wise, they are identical.  The cost of SMAs
and upgrades does cost more for the Pro version.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:38 AM
To: Aaron Smith via Talk 
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Aaron,
Glad to see you are still around.  What is the difference between JAWS Pro
and Home versions?

On 5/15/2017 9:14 AM, Aaron Smith via Talk wrote:
> Thank you for being a valued member of the GW Micro and Window-Eyes
family. We regret to announce that sales of Window-Eyes have ended in the
United States and Canada. Users outside of the United States and Canada
should contact their local distributor for options. We are committed to our
customers and will honor existing product purchases and software maintenance
agreements, and we will continue to provide technical support to end users
that have purchased Window-Eyes or a support package.
> 
> All users who are currently using Window-Eyes can continue to use the
software indefinitely; however, as the WindowsR operating system and/or
applications change over time, Window-Eyes may not function adequately for
your needs.
> 
> We understand how important a screen reader is to you and are offering
JAWSR for Windows 18 as a replacement.  We are committed to providing a
smooth transition and will honor existing Window-Eyes product purchases and
software maintenance agreements (SMA), as follows.
> . End users that paid for and are current with Window-Eyes 9.x
will be converted to JAWS 18 at no charge.
> . If you are using an earlier version of Window-Eyes, you can
purchase an upgrade to JAWS 18.
> . If you are using the free version of Window-Eyes you can
continue to use it. While there is not an upgrade path from the free
version, if you are interested in purchasing JAWS, please contact our sales
team at 800-444-4443.
> . Existing Window-Eyes SMAs will be rolled into the JAWS SMA
program for end users that migrate to JAWS.
> Learn more about the migration options and pricing by visiting
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate.
> 
> To make this process as easy as possible, we ask you to complete a 
> simple
web form that will go directly to our sales team, who will then contact you
with an authorization code for JAWS 18, or request additional information if
necessary.
> 
> Requests for upgrades must be submitted at
http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrateform or by phone at 800-444-4443
by July 31, 2017.
> 
> Note, the free Window-Eyes Offer for Users of Microsoft Office version 
> is
not part of the conversion program.
> 
> If you have any questions please call us at 800-444-4443 or email us 
> at
mailto:ord...@vfogroup.com.
> 
> 
> Aaron