Re: Forms Question

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Thanks.

On 5/23/2017 10:17 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:
> Hi Nick, if you want that kind of behavior, perhaps setting forms mode 
> to semi-auto, and not meaning the gun, will do this.
> 
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> On 5/22/2017 10:41 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
>> Thanks, disappointing, but I'll have to deal with it.  I like the
>> flexibility of WE in this matter.  When I am searching for an edit box,
>> I can tab.  When I want to quickly scrool past an edit box to read more
>> text, I can arrow down, oh well. OK, my pity party is over.
>>
>> On 5/22/2017 11:10 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi, you can change forms mode to manual. This will make it so you will
>>> have to always press Enter on edit boxes to turn off the virtual cursor
>>> and enable forms mode. This setting is found either in the startup
>>> wizard from the Jaws window help menu, or by pressing Jaws-6, typing
>>> forms, and arrowing down to the forms mode settings and making the
>>> necessary changes.
>>>
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>>> “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” -
>>> David Thornburg
>>>
>>> On 5/22/2017 9:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:
 One of the features I like in WE is the ability to arrow down on a web
 page without having to come in contact with "browse mode off." Can I do
 that with Jaws without having to change settings?  Sometimes I want to
 type in an edit box, but sometimes I want to quickly skip past them.
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Re: mirror drivers error when installing jaws

[Jeff Weiss via Talk]

Well, I called microsoft again, and I think they solved the problem.
The support person created a new user profile on my computer--and now Jaws 
18 works just fine.
He explained that something was probably corrupted in the user profile, and 
creating a new user profile, and then copying my settings to the new profile 
seemed to work!

I couldn't have guessed that in a million years!!!
Jeff Weiss




-Original Message- 
From: Jeff Weiss via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 8:42 AM
To: Raul A. Gallegos ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: mirror drivers error when installing jaws

After installing the 64 bit demo of jaws 18, I get an error message saying 
the freedom scientific mirror drivers did not install correctly.
The message says first try to re-boot, and if this does not work, try 
running the install again with the

/type repair
switch.  I did this with both the regular and non-tandem versions of jaws 
18.
I called the jaws help line at 800-444-4443 and they said call the microsoft 
disability desk.  I did, and they remotely updated my graphics drivers. 
Still no joy


Has this happened to anybody else?  If so, what can I do?
any help appreciated!!!
Jeff Weiss

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Re: Forms Question

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hi Nick, if you want that kind of behavior, perhaps setting forms mode 
to semi-auto, and not meaning the gun, will do this.



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On 5/22/2017 10:41 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

Thanks, disappointing, but I'll have to deal with it.  I like the
flexibility of WE in this matter.  When I am searching for an edit box,
I can tab.  When I want to quickly scrool past an edit box to read more
text, I can arrow down, oh well. OK, my pity party is over.

On 5/22/2017 11:10 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:

Hi, you can change forms mode to manual. This will make it so you will
have to always press Enter on edit boxes to turn off the virtual cursor
and enable forms mode. This setting is found either in the startup
wizard from the Jaws window help menu, or by pressing Jaws-6, typing
forms, and arrowing down to the forms mode settings and making the
necessary changes.

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Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
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Work Email: train...@rgats.com
Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer

“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” -
David Thornburg

On 5/22/2017 9:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

One of the features I like in WE is the ability to arrow down on a web
page without having to come in contact with "browse mode off." Can I do
that with Jaws without having to change settings?  Sometimes I want to
type in an edit box, but sometimes I want to quickly skip past them.
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Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Nick,
The status bar is essentially an information window in many programs. 
For example, in most editors of any type, from Notepad to Word, it gives 
you things like the current line, column, and page. In Thunderbird it 
says how many messages I have in the current folder and how many are 
unread. In Explorer it says how many items (files and folders) are in 
the current folder and how many are selected.
In a development environment I use it gives a quick tip for the command 
I just typed.

Hth,
Tom


On 5/23/2017 9:23 PM, Nick Sarames wrote:

Off topic, but can you explain the purpose (or reason) of reading the
status line?

On 5/23/2017 3:23 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:

I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does
not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical
status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the
desktop and in Thunderbird.
Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there
is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not
(technically speaking) a true status bar.
It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader
developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be
created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on
another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually.
Regards,
Tom


On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Thank you, but that was not the answer.  The window is already
maximized.  Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing.  If I move to
my Carol folder, it says 465 items.  If I am on the desktop, it says
5/23/2017.  If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x
number of items selected.  It will read how many pages, words and some
percentage in Office Word.  It will not read anything from Thunderbird
that should represent any type of status information.  I can go back to
the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread
messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into
different accounts.

I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the
sunset, grin!


Carol


On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the
window has been maximized.  You might see if that helps in this case.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status
line except for the file explorer.  I am used to having a status line in
Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read
and in some cases, how many have been deleted.  I have tried using both
the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack.  It
says absolutely nothing.  Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop,
it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it
is in, grin.  Thanks for any suggestions.

Carol


On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the
numpad 3.


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Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS



From: Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in
MS Word or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t
give enough information. If one can’t identify the cursor position,
using MS Word is almost impossible.
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Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Off topic, but can you explain the purpose (or reason) of reading the 
status line?

On 5/23/2017 3:23 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote:
> I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does 
> not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical 
> status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the 
> desktop and in Thunderbird.
> Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there 
> is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not 
> (technically speaking) a true status bar.
> It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader 
> developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be 
> created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on 
> another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually.
> Regards,
> Tom
> 
> 
> On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
>> Thank you, but that was not the answer.  The window is already
>> maximized.  Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing.  If I move to
>> my Carol folder, it says 465 items.  If I am on the desktop, it says
>> 5/23/2017.  If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x
>> number of items selected.  It will read how many pages, words and some
>> percentage in Office Word.  It will not read anything from Thunderbird
>> that should represent any type of status information.  I can go back to
>> the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread
>> messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into
>> different accounts.
>>
>> I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the
>> sunset, grin!
>>
>>
>> Carol
>>
>>
>> On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>>> Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the
>>> window has been maximized.  You might see if that helps in this case.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM
>>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>>>
>>> If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status
>>> line except for the file explorer.  I am used to having a status line in
>>> Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read
>>> and in some cases, how many have been deleted.  I have tried using both
>>> the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack.  It
>>> says absolutely nothing.  Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop,
>>> it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it
>>> is in, grin.  Thanks for any suggestions.
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
 Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the
 numpad 3.


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 Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS



 From: Tom Fairhurst
 Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
 To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

 Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in
 MS Word or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t
 give enough information. If one can’t identify the cursor position,
 using MS Word is almost impossible.
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Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Hi, did I read correctly that the alternative insert key is part of the 
numpad?  I have a Del desktop, and I am unable to turn my numpad off, so 
they can only work as numbers.

On 5/23/2017 8:53 PM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:
> Hi, if using the laptop layout, you can activate the Jaws window by 
> pressing Control Shift Caps lock J. So, basically, it's the 3 keys along 
> the left side of the keyboard with the letter J. It really works. 
> Personally I run Jaws in the notification area so it's out of the 
> alt-tab order.
> 
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> 
> On 5/23/2017 10:26 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
>> I would like to suggest, based on my own experience, if switching a 
>> desktop keyboard setting to laptop setting, it might be worthhwhile to 
>> make sure Jaws is in the alt-tab setting. Trying to use the capslock 
>> key to get into the Jaws setting was very tempramental for me.  It 
>> only worked on a very few occasions and I did try many times to use 
>> it.  I am certain there was some operator error, but even I can't have 
>> messed up that badly, LOL!
>>
>> Carol, happily using my insert key!
>>
>>
>> On 5/23/2017 10:39 AM, Ed Culpepper via Talk wrote:
>>> I have not tried the laptop layout. I will check out that 
>>> possibility. I have not loaded Jaws on my laptop yet, but I certainly 
>>> will be doing so. I can anticipate that using the same keyboard 
>>> layout on both my desktop and laptop could be advantageous. Using the 
>>> same keystrokes regardless of which computer I am using seems more 
>>> simple and efficient.
>>> Thanks for the suggestion and link.
>>> Ed Culpepper
>>> J. Edward Culpepper
>>> Huntsville, Alabama, USA
>>> Check out my weekly devotional blog, Blind Faith, at:
>>>    http://www.blindfaith.fbchsv2.org
>>> From: Joseph Norton [mailto:joseph.nor...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:04 PM
>>> To: Ed Culpepper; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
>>> Hi:
>>> Have you tried the laptop layout?
>>> Here is a link to a set of mp3 files describing it.  This is also 
>>> available in a DAISY book through FS Reader.  Here is the link;
>>> ftp://ftp.freedomscientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/JAWS/LaptopKeysWithJAWS.zip
>>>  
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> Sent from Mail   for 
>>> Windows 10
>>> From: Ed Culpepper via Talk 
>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:28 PM
>>> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>>> Subject: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
>>> Greeting WE Migrants -
>>> I am learning Jaws navigational keystrokes as I migrate from beloved 
>>> WE to
>>> Jaws. Using the insert key as a primary Jaws modifier key is very 
>>> awkward
>>> for me. On my keyboard the insert key is the top left key on the 
>>> so-called
>>> "6-pack" of keys located just above the arrow keys. The Jaws command to
>>> begin "Say All" (like WE "Read to End") is Insert-down arrow. That 
>>> requires
>>> an awkward contortion of my right hand or an inconvenient reach with 
>>> my left
>>> hand for the insert key as I press the down arrow with my right hand. 
>>> Other
>>> navigational commands use the insert key as the modifier with keys 
>>> that are
>>> usually typed with fingers on the right hand. I am finding these 
>>> keystroke
>>> combinations to be frustrating.
>>> Obviously Jaws users have been using this illogical keystroke 
>>> combination
>>> for years. I must be missing something about how to do so efficiently. I
>>> have read about altering navigational keystrokes in Jaws, but I don't 
>>> want
>>> to have to redesign the whole set of them. Bottom line is that I have a
>>> couple of questions:
>>> 1. Is there some alternative to the insert key as a primary modifier 
>>> key for
>>> navigational keystrokes in Jaws? The WE Control-Alt combination with a
>>> single letter key was much more ergonomically efficient. To longtime 
>>> Jaws
>>> users: I am looking to you for help or encouragement for the insert key
>>> awkwardness - any help?
>>> 2. Can I reprogram my computer or Windows 10 to recognize some key of my
>>> choosing to function as an additional insert key? For example, could I
>>> sacrifice the Control key on the left side of my keyboard to become an
>>> insert key to use as a modifier with keys typically typed with my right
>>> hand?
>>> I hope that I am not obsessing over what turns out with experience
>>> manipulating Jaws to be simply a curious quirk for a new user. Any 
>>> help will
>>> be appreciated.
>>> Many t

Re: Using New Syynthesizer

[net bat via Talk]

the only dectalk voice i used was huge hairy. grin
i am useing tom hi
quality too.
but i have trouble trying to spell out sound alike letters.
like n m, e v b etc.

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:41 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Using New Syynthesizer

Something happened to the buffer in mine.
I cqalled Jaws support.   We tried a different synthesizer and things worked
fine.
I was advised to stay with the new synthesizer.
I am using vocalizer Express with the voice Tom.
I like it better than the Deck-talk Express.

Pastor Gil

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:12 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Using New Syynthesizer

Sure it will, if you aren't trying to use a battery.  I had one working with
a dead battery for a long time.  Now, I have one with no battery and it
works fine.  There is a guy who fixes them.  His name is Richard Oehm.  I
hope I spelled his last name correctly.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:27 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Using New Syynthesizer

what do you mean the dectalk is gone?
if the power connector and cable is still good. it is probibly the battery
is
dead.
the dectalk will not work with a dead battery. even if it is plugged into a
c
power.
if you still have it do not throwt it away yet.
if you remove the battery it will start working with the power supply again.
but get help.
you have to remove the 6 screws on the bottom of the case. but be careful
when
you pull the two haves apart. the speaker is in one half and the speaker
wires
connect to the surcuit board on the other half of the case.
you only have about 2 inches of space.
there is a flat battery pack. its about one quarter inch thick. by 2 by 3
inches. when i had mine the battery connector was connected to the other
half
of the case with a removable nylon  connector. once the battery is removed
and
put back together it should start working when it is plugged into a c power.

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:32 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Using New Syynthesizer

Hi,
My Deck-talk Express is gone.
Something went bad in it.
Using Vocalizer Express Tom.  It’s working real well.

Pastor Gil
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RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Ed Culpepper via Talk]

Many thanks for your recommendation. It comes with high confidence based on 
your expertise. Thanks, too, for the tutorials. I worked back through all of 
them again today and finished saving the transcripts -- all while using Jaws. 
I'm getting there! Laptop laut will be tomorrow's experiment.

Ed Culpepper
 

-Original Message-
From: Raul A. Gallegos [mailto:r...@raulgallegos.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 7:51 PM
To: Ed Culpepper; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

FWIW, I use the laptop layout on both laptop keyboards as well as full 
size keyboards. The nice thing is that I don't lose the functionality of 
the number pad even with the laptop layout. Yet, I gain so much more 
flexibility. I would recommend this for many users.


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On 5/23/2017 9:39 AM, Ed Culpepper via Talk wrote:
> I have not tried the laptop layout. I will check out that possibility. I have 
> not loaded Jaws on my laptop yet, but I certainly will be doing so. I can 
> anticipate that using the same keyboard layout on both my desktop and laptop 
> could be advantageous. Using the same keystrokes regardless of which computer 
> I am using seems more simple and efficient.
> Thanks for the suggestion and link.
> Ed Culpepper
>   
> J. Edward Culpepper
> Huntsville, Alabama, USA
>   
> Check out my weekly devotional blog, Blind Faith, at:
>    http://www.blindfaith.fbchsv2.org
>   
> From: Joseph Norton [mailto:joseph.nor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:04 PM
> To: Ed Culpepper; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
>   
> Hi:
>   
> Have you tried the laptop layout?
>   
> Here is a link to a set of mp3 files describing it.  This is also available 
> in a DAISY book through FS Reader.  Here is the link;
>   
> ftp://ftp.freedomscientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/JAWS/LaptopKeysWithJAWS.zip
>   
> Hope this helps.
>   
>   
>   
> Sent from Mail   for Windows 
> 10
>   
> From: Ed Culpepper via Talk 
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:28 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> Subject: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
>   
> Greeting WE Migrants -
> I am learning Jaws navigational keystrokes as I migrate from beloved WE to
> Jaws. Using the insert key as a primary Jaws modifier key is very awkward
> for me. On my keyboard the insert key is the top left key on the so-called
> "6-pack" of keys located just above the arrow keys. The Jaws command to
> begin "Say All" (like WE "Read to End") is Insert-down arrow. That requires
> an awkward contortion of my right hand or an inconvenient reach with my left
> hand for the insert key as I press the down arrow with my right hand. Other
> navigational commands use the insert key as the modifier with keys that are
> usually typed with fingers on the right hand. I am finding these keystroke
> combinations to be frustrating.
> Obviously Jaws users have been using this illogical keystroke combination
> for years. I must be missing something about how to do so efficiently. I
> have read about altering navigational keystrokes in Jaws, but I don't want
> to have to redesign the whole set of them. Bottom line is that I have a
> couple of questions:
> 1. Is there some alternative to the insert key as a primary modifier key for
> navigational keystrokes in Jaws? The WE Control-Alt combination with a
> single letter key was much more ergonomically efficient. To longtime Jaws
> users: I am looking to you for help or encouragement for the insert key
> awkwardness - any help?
> 2. Can I reprogram my computer or Windows 10 to recognize some key of my
> choosing to function as an additional insert key? For example, could I
> sacrifice the Control key on the left side of my keyboard to become an
> insert key to use as a modifier with keys typically typed with my right
> hand?
> I hope that I am not obsessing over what turns out with experience
> manipulating Jaws to be simply a curious quirk for a new user. Any help will
> be appreciated.
> Many thanks -
> Ed Culpepper
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Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hi, if using the laptop layout, you can activate the Jaws window by 
pressing Control Shift Caps lock J. So, basically, it's the 3 keys along 
the left side of the keyboard with the letter J. It really works. 
Personally I run Jaws in the notification area so it's out of the 
alt-tab order.



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On 5/23/2017 10:26 AM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
I would like to suggest, based on my own experience, if switching a 
desktop keyboard setting to laptop setting, it might be worthhwhile to 
make sure Jaws is in the alt-tab setting. Trying to use the capslock key 
to get into the Jaws setting was very tempramental for me.  It only 
worked on a very few occasions and I did try many times to use it.  I am 
certain there was some operator error, but even I can't have messed up 
that badly, LOL!


Carol, happily using my insert key!


On 5/23/2017 10:39 AM, Ed Culpepper via Talk wrote:
I have not tried the laptop layout. I will check out that possibility. 
I have not loaded Jaws on my laptop yet, but I certainly will be doing 
so. I can anticipate that using the same keyboard layout on both my 
desktop and laptop could be advantageous. Using the same keystrokes 
regardless of which computer I am using seems more simple and efficient.

Thanks for the suggestion and link.
Ed Culpepper
J. Edward Culpepper
Huntsville, Alabama, USA
Check out my weekly devotional blog, Blind Faith, at:
   http://www.blindfaith.fbchsv2.org
From: Joseph Norton [mailto:joseph.nor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:04 PM
To: Ed Culpepper; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
Hi:
Have you tried the laptop layout?
Here is a link to a set of mp3 files describing it.  This is also 
available in a DAISY book through FS Reader.  Here is the link;
ftp://ftp.freedomscientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/JAWS/LaptopKeysWithJAWS.zip 


Hope this helps.
Sent from Mail   for 
Windows 10

From: Ed Culpepper via Talk 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
Greeting WE Migrants -
I am learning Jaws navigational keystrokes as I migrate from beloved 
WE to

Jaws. Using the insert key as a primary Jaws modifier key is very awkward
for me. On my keyboard the insert key is the top left key on the 
so-called

"6-pack" of keys located just above the arrow keys. The Jaws command to
begin "Say All" (like WE "Read to End") is Insert-down arrow. That 
requires
an awkward contortion of my right hand or an inconvenient reach with 
my left
hand for the insert key as I press the down arrow with my right hand. 
Other
navigational commands use the insert key as the modifier with keys 
that are
usually typed with fingers on the right hand. I am finding these 
keystroke

combinations to be frustrating.
Obviously Jaws users have been using this illogical keystroke combination
for years. I must be missing something about how to do so efficiently. I
have read about altering navigational keystrokes in Jaws, but I don't 
want

to have to redesign the whole set of them. Bottom line is that I have a
couple of questions:
1. Is there some alternative to the insert key as a primary modifier 
key for

navigational keystrokes in Jaws? The WE Control-Alt combination with a
single letter key was much more ergonomically efficient. To longtime Jaws
users: I am looking to you for help or encouragement for the insert key
awkwardness - any help?
2. Can I reprogram my computer or Windows 10 to recognize some key of my
choosing to function as an additional insert key? For example, could I
sacrifice the Control key on the left side of my keyboard to become an
insert key to use as a modifier with keys typically typed with my right
hand?
I hope that I am not obsessing over what turns out with experience
manipulating Jaws to be simply a curious quirk for a new user. Any 
help will

be appreciated.
Many thanks -
Ed Culpepper
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Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

FWIW, I use the laptop layout on both laptop keyboards as well as full 
size keyboards. The nice thing is that I don't lose the functionality of 
the number pad even with the laptop layout. Yet, I gain so much more 
flexibility. I would recommend this for many users.



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On 5/23/2017 9:39 AM, Ed Culpepper via Talk wrote:

I have not tried the laptop layout. I will check out that possibility. I have 
not loaded Jaws on my laptop yet, but I certainly will be doing so. I can 
anticipate that using the same keyboard layout on both my desktop and laptop 
could be advantageous. Using the same keystrokes regardless of which computer I 
am using seems more simple and efficient.
Thanks for the suggestion and link.
Ed Culpepper
  
J. Edward Culpepper

Huntsville, Alabama, USA
  
Check out my weekly devotional blog, Blind Faith, at:

   http://www.blindfaith.fbchsv2.org
  
From: Joseph Norton [mailto:joseph.nor...@gmail.com]

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:04 PM
To: Ed Culpepper; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
  
Hi:
  
Have you tried the laptop layout?
  
Here is a link to a set of mp3 files describing it.  This is also available in a DAISY book through FS Reader.  Here is the link;
  
ftp://ftp.freedomscientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/JAWS/LaptopKeysWithJAWS.zip
  
Hope this helps.
  
  
  
Sent from Mail   for Windows 10
  
From: Ed Culpepper via Talk 

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
  
Greeting WE Migrants -

I am learning Jaws navigational keystrokes as I migrate from beloved WE to
Jaws. Using the insert key as a primary Jaws modifier key is very awkward
for me. On my keyboard the insert key is the top left key on the so-called
"6-pack" of keys located just above the arrow keys. The Jaws command to
begin "Say All" (like WE "Read to End") is Insert-down arrow. That requires
an awkward contortion of my right hand or an inconvenient reach with my left
hand for the insert key as I press the down arrow with my right hand. Other
navigational commands use the insert key as the modifier with keys that are
usually typed with fingers on the right hand. I am finding these keystroke
combinations to be frustrating.
Obviously Jaws users have been using this illogical keystroke combination
for years. I must be missing something about how to do so efficiently. I
have read about altering navigational keystrokes in Jaws, but I don't want
to have to redesign the whole set of them. Bottom line is that I have a
couple of questions:
1. Is there some alternative to the insert key as a primary modifier key for
navigational keystrokes in Jaws? The WE Control-Alt combination with a
single letter key was much more ergonomically efficient. To longtime Jaws
users: I am looking to you for help or encouragement for the insert key
awkwardness - any help?
2. Can I reprogram my computer or Windows 10 to recognize some key of my
choosing to function as an additional insert key? For example, could I
sacrifice the Control key on the left side of my keyboard to become an
insert key to use as a modifier with keys typically typed with my right
hand?
I hope that I am not obsessing over what turns out with experience
manipulating Jaws to be simply a curious quirk for a new user. Any help will
be appreciated.
Many thanks -
Ed Culpepper
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Re: switch to Jaws

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hi, no, I didn't say that at all. The short answer is, if you use Office 
2007, 2010, 2013, or 2016, they will all be accessible. I'm sorry for 
making it sound confusing to you.



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On 5/23/2017 2:37 PM, Paulette Vickery wrote:

Are you saying that accessibility in Office 2013 and 2016 do not work as well 
as in 2010?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

It's up to you on which one you want to use. However, 2016 will have the
so-called latest and greatest features. Only you can decide if you want
those new features. In terms of accessibility, Office 2010 will work
with Jaws 18.

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On 5/22/2017 7:59 PM, Paulette Vickery wrote:

Thanks for the information. But now I want to know if Office 2013 and 2016, 
both work as well as Office 2010, for we blind people?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:22 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

Hi, I don't see why not. However, Office 2013 and 2016 will be better I
think.


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On 5/20/2017 8:33 AM, Paulette Vickery wrote:

Raul,

Can I use Office 2010 when using Jaws 18?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:12 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

It's unfortunate this is happening to Steve's setup. However, it doesn't
happen to me. I'm using Jaws current 18 and Office 2016 current on
Windows 10 and can switch between mail, contacts, and calendars with no
issues.

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On 5/15/2017 8:49 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:

Hi Steve,

Up to quite recently, Window-Eyes used to do that as well.
Since Microsoft made some significant accessibility updates, this stopped 
happening.
I'm surprised Jaws does this.
Is this with the most recent version of Jaws?

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:39 AM
To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 

Subject: RE: switch to Jaws

It's also very buggy.  Just open Outlook 2016 and press Control-2 or
Control-3 to go into Contacts or Calendar and watch JAWS die.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 14 May 2017 23:30
To: 'Charles Short' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'

Subject: RE: switch to Jaws

Yes Jaws is very customizable I would make the switch.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 2:53 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: switch to Jaws

Hello everybody on the list, should I make the switch to Jaws since
Window-Eyes is going away?  Does Jaws have a control panel, you know where
you can allow jaws to not say blank when arrowing down or also from read to
end?  Thanks very much.


Charlie Short


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Re: Using New Syynthesizer

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Something happened to the buffer in mine.
I cqalled Jaws support.   We tried a different synthesizer and things worked 
fine.

I was advised to stay with the new synthesizer.
I am using vocalizer Express with the voice Tom.
I like it better than the Deck-talk Express.

Pastor Gil

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:12 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Using New Syynthesizer

Sure it will, if you aren't trying to use a battery.  I had one working with
a dead battery for a long time.  Now, I have one with no battery and it
works fine.  There is a guy who fixes them.  His name is Richard Oehm.  I
hope I spelled his last name correctly.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:27 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Using New Syynthesizer

what do you mean the dectalk is gone?
if the power connector and cable is still good. it is probibly the battery
is
dead.
the dectalk will not work with a dead battery. even if it is plugged into a
c
power.
if you still have it do not throwt it away yet.
if you remove the battery it will start working with the power supply again.
but get help.
you have to remove the 6 screws on the bottom of the case. but be careful
when
you pull the two haves apart. the speaker is in one half and the speaker
wires
connect to the surcuit board on the other half of the case.
you only have about 2 inches of space.
there is a flat battery pack. its about one quarter inch thick. by 2 by 3
inches. when i had mine the battery connector was connected to the other
half
of the case with a removable nylon  connector. once the battery is removed
and
put back together it should start working when it is plugged into a c power.

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:32 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Using New Syynthesizer

Hi,
My Deck-talk Express is gone.
Something went bad in it.
Using Vocalizer Express Tom.  It’s working real well.

Pastor Gil
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Re: Installing JAWS

[Dave via Talk]

Hi Dave, Dave on this end too.

You should get another Email that will give you the key to copy and
paste into the authorization field.

You might want to call Jaws, 1-800-444-4443 to get faster action in
getting this key.

Grumpy Dave


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RE: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Speaking of elegance of code, when using the Bard Express program (a program 
from NLS that makes using BARD even easier), Window-Eyes has the most robust 
support for it.  JAWS does read all the information, but, not the column 
headings.  NVDA reads the column headings, but, truncates the information (like 
the annotation of the book, and anything longer than the displayed text).  
Narrator doesn’t perform well with it either, but, can’t remember the exact 
behavior.  SuperNova also doesn’t perform too well with it either.  Oh, yes, 
Window-Eyes also reads both progress and status information beautifully with 
this program.

There were things GW needed to play catch-up on, but, this is true with JAWS.  
Window-Eyes obviously has a better handle on the system tray, going beyond what 
is actually visible on the screen, whereas JAWS, as many have already observed, 
only reads what is visible.  The folks at GW were working on the OCR aspect, 
but, JAWS handles it pretty well, even letting you do mouse clicks if you need 
them.  If development had continued, I have no doubt that WE would have 
eventually developed it.  Maybe the folks at VFO can learn from some of the 
Window-Eyes features.  After all, I presume they have the source code.  Maybe 
some of its features can still be incorporated into JAWS.  As many have also 
observed, Window-Eyes has a better handle on handling progress bars, even 
giving you options on how much, and the kind of feedback you can get on 
progress and scroll bars.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:23 PM
To: Carol and Roger; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does 
not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical 
status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the 
desktop and in Thunderbird.
Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there 
is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not 
(technically speaking) a true status bar.
It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader 
developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be 
created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on 
another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually.
Regards,
Tom


On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
> Thank you, but that was not the answer.  The window is already
> maximized.  Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing.  If I move to
> my Carol folder, it says 465 items.  If I am on the desktop, it says
> 5/23/2017.  If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x
> number of items selected.  It will read how many pages, words and some
> percentage in Office Word.  It will not read anything from Thunderbird
> that should represent any type of status information.  I can go back to
> the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread
> messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into
> different accounts.
>
> I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the
> sunset, grin!
>
>
> Carol
>
>
> On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>> Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the
>> window has been maximized.  You might see if that helps in this case.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM
>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>>
>> If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status
>> line except for the file explorer.  I am used to having a status line in
>> Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read
>> and in some cases, how many have been deleted.  I have tried using both
>> the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack.  It
>> says absolutely nothing.  Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop,
>> it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it
>> is in, grin.  Thanks for any suggestions.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the
>>> numpad 3.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Tom Fairhurst
>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
>>> To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>>>
>>> Is there a 

Ok, eating crow now, lol

[Tony C via Talk]

Ok, My bad. It’s been a little over a year ago the last time I tried WE with 
Netflix. I turned on WE today and tried Netflix. Had to use the mouse curson to 
click a couple of things but soon and I figured that out I was able to do 
everything I tried Ii n Netflix. So Oops!.
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Re: Using New Syynthesizer

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Sure it will, if you aren't trying to use a battery.  I had one working with 
a dead battery for a long time.  Now, I have one with no battery and it 
works fine.  There is a guy who fixes them.  His name is Richard Oehm.  I 
hope I spelled his last name correctly.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: net bat via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:27 PM
To: Pastor Gil Pries ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Using New Syynthesizer

what do you mean the dectalk is gone?
if the power connector and cable is still good. it is probibly the battery 
is

dead.
the dectalk will not work with a dead battery. even if it is plugged into a 
c

power.
if you still have it do not throwt it away yet.
if you remove the battery it will start working with the power supply again.
but get help.
you have to remove the 6 screws on the bottom of the case. but be careful 
when
you pull the two haves apart. the speaker is in one half and the speaker 
wires

connect to the surcuit board on the other half of the case.
you only have about 2 inches of space.
there is a flat battery pack. its about one quarter inch thick. by 2 by 3
inches. when i had mine the battery connector was connected to the other 
half
of the case with a removable nylon  connector. once the battery is removed 
and

put back together it should start working when it is plugged into a c power.

-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:32 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Using New Syynthesizer

Hi,
My Deck-talk Express is gone.
Something went bad in it.
Using Vocalizer Express Tom.  It’s working real well.

Pastor Gil
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RE: sound cards

[David Moore via Talk]

Hi,
This definitely can be done with JAWS. Press enter on utilities in the JAWS 
menus, and arrow to sound card sub menu. In here, you can choose the sound card 
that JAWS uses.
Have a great one.
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:05 PM
To: George Brechmann; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: sound cards

Hi George:

I think you can, from what I remember, but I don't rember how it's
done and I do not have JAWS at hand to figure it out right now.
Kevin Huber


On 5/20/17, George Brechmann via Talk  wrote:
> Hello,
>  I have a Windows 7 computer with 2 sound cards.  In Window-eyes, I could
> have the computer sound through the first sound card and the WE audio
> through the second card.  Can this be done with Jaws?
>
>  Thank you.
>
>  George
>
>
>
> George
>
>
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RE: Installing JAWS

[Dennis Long via Talk]

 You say in part " but it took 7 days to get it" I say again there  are a
large number of users going to Jaws so give it more time then normal.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:31 PM
To: Dave Basden; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Installing JAWS

i got two messages. one  one had the order confirmation, the other had the
serial number in it. but i got both the same day. but it took 7 days to get
it.

-Original Message-
From: Dave Basden via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:39 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Installing JAWS

Thanks Don.  I'll do that if I haven't seen the activation code by tomorrow.

Dave


At 08:48 AM 5/23/2017, you wrote:
>I got the PO just as you have and it does not contain the activation 
>code.  I called VFO and was told the code isn't sent until the PO generates
a invoice.
>They checked if the invoice had been created and when it was they sent 
>me a Email with my serial number and activation code.
>So my recommendation is to call 1 800 444 4443 and hit the 6 key option.
>
>On 5/23/2017 10:35 AM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
>>I filled out the form online to get JAWS authorization, was phoned to 
>>ask whether I wanted the home or office edition, and received an 
>>zero-charge invoice for JAWS and my one SMA from Window-Eyes.  Now I 
>>have downloaded JAWS and am trying to install it.  I am not sure what 
>>I am supposed to enter as the authorization number though.  I don't 
>>see anything that looks right in the purchase order I received via email.
>>Was I supposed to get a separte authorization number?  Confused!
>>Dave
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Re: Installing JAWS

[net bat via Talk]

i got two messages. one  one had the order confirmation, the other had the 
serial number in it. but i got both the same day. but it took 7 days to get it.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave Basden via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:39 PM
To: Don H ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Installing JAWS

Thanks Don.  I'll do that if I haven't seen the activation code by tomorrow.

Dave


At 08:48 AM 5/23/2017, you wrote:
I got the PO just as you have and it does not contain the activation code.  I 
called VFO and was told the code isn't sent until the PO generates a invoice. 
They checked if the invoice had been created and when it was they sent me a 
Email with my serial number and activation code.

So my recommendation is to call 1 800 444 4443 and hit the 6 key option.

On 5/23/2017 10:35 AM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
I filled out the form online to get JAWS authorization, was phoned to ask 
whether I wanted the home or office edition, and received an zero-charge 
invoice for JAWS and my one SMA from Window-Eyes.  Now I have downloaded JAWS 
and am trying to install it.  I am not sure what I am supposed to enter as 
the authorization number though.  I don't see anything that looks right in 
the purchase order I received via email.

Was I supposed to get a separte authorization number?  Confused!
Dave
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Re: Using New Syynthesizer

[net bat via Talk]

what do you mean the dectalk is gone?
if the power connector and cable is still good. it is probibly the battery is 
dead.
the dectalk will not work with a dead battery. even if it is plugged into a c 
power.

if you still have it do not throwt it away yet.
if you remove the battery it will start working with the power supply again.
but get help.
you have to remove the 6 screws on the bottom of the case. but be careful when 
you pull the two haves apart. the speaker is in one half and the speaker wires 
connect to the surcuit board on the other half of the case.

you only have about 2 inches of space.
there is a flat battery pack. its about one quarter inch thick. by 2 by 3 
inches. when i had mine the battery connector was connected to the other half 
of the case with a removable nylon  connector. once the battery is removed and 
put back together it should start working when it is plugged into a c power.


-Original Message- 
From: Pastor Gil Pries via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:32 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Using New Syynthesizer

Hi,
My Deck-talk Express is gone.
Something went bad in it.
Using Vocalizer Express Tom.  It’s working real well.

Pastor Gil
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RE: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Tom,

And so you're saying our beloved Window-Eyes developers took pains to allow 
these unique windows to share their treasures with their devoted users. (sniff)
We really got burned, didn't we?

Thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: May 23, 2017 3:24 PM
To: Carol and Roger ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does 
not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical 
status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the 
desktop and in Thunderbird.
Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there 
is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not 
(technically speaking) a true status bar.
It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader 
developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be 
created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on 
another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually.
Regards,
Tom


On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:
> Thank you, but that was not the answer.  The window is already
> maximized.  Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing.  If I move to
> my Carol folder, it says 465 items.  If I am on the desktop, it says
> 5/23/2017.  If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x
> number of items selected.  It will read how many pages, words and some
> percentage in Office Word.  It will not read anything from Thunderbird
> that should represent any type of status information.  I can go back to
> the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread
> messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into
> different accounts.
>
> I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the
> sunset, grin!
>
>
> Carol
>
>
> On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:
>> Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the
>> window has been maximized.  You might see if that helps in this case.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM
>> To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> 
>> Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>>
>> If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status
>> line except for the file explorer.  I am used to having a status line in
>> Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read
>> and in some cases, how many have been deleted.  I have tried using both
>> the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack.  It
>> says absolutely nothing.  Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop,
>> it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it
>> is in, grin.  Thanks for any suggestions.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>>
>> On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the
>>> numpad 3.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM
>>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>>> Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Tom Fairhurst
>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
>>> To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>>>
>>> Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in
>>> MS Word or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t
>>> give enough information. If one can’t identify the cursor position,
>>> using MS Word is almost impossible.
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RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[via Talk]

Hey, everybody. 

I have never used JFW before and I'm waiting for a reply to a query Beth
from VFO sent me regarding how I plan to use the screen reader--home,
professionally, other. I've followed all the threads of WE users switching
to JFW and this one has me confused, and, a bit worried. Doesn't JFW have
the ability to stack modifier keys? For example, can't you set a find
feature to Control-Shift-F like the Window-eyes keystroke? Are JFW users
stuck with only two modifiers: Caps Lock and Insert?

--Lou N.
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+fenderwal=sbcglobal@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 2:57 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

Hi, I have a Logitech keyboard and my insert key is way up on the top 
row where the F keys are on the righthand end. There are three more keys 
after the F12 key one of which is the insert key. I have the 6 pack of keys 
but there's no insert key in there.

-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:33 PM
To: 'Ed Culpepper' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

Ed, don't you have a regular keyboard?  If you do, the Insert key would be
part of the Numpad set of keys, and not the one above the delete key.

I do know  that there are laptops that DO NOT have the Numpad; for this, if
memory serves, the CapsLock key is also being used as a modifier.

No, I didn't address your questions particularly, I want to leave those to
others to deal with more succinctly.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Hi Pam,

Generally speaking, the braille cell type of keyboard would use the dot 
2 as the insert key.  That is what I have and that key does work with 
programs that require the insert key, Window-Eyes and Jaws included.  Of 
course, it is about as difficult for right-hand key commands as the 
numpad insert.  I might try the sticky keys mode and see what happens.  
I did not like the caps lock key at all.


Carol


On 5/23/2017 5:10 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Not all sixpacks are the same.  Mine stands up, the way a braille cell 
does, and the top left is home, in other words, dot one is home, and 
dot four is end.  Another keyboard I have only has a five pack.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:01 PM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

Hi Tony:

If you have the six-pack of keys, what is the key on the top left of
the sixpack?

Kevin Huber

On 5/23/17, Tony C via Talk  wrote:
Hi, I have a Logitech keyboard and my insert key is way up on the 
top

row where the F keys are on the righthand end. There are three more keys
after the F12 key one of which is the insert key. I have the 6 pack 
of keys


but there's no insert key in there.

-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:33 PM
To: 'Ed Culpepper' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

Ed, don't you have a regular keyboard?  If you do, the Insert key 
would be

part of the Numpad set of keys, and not the one above the delete key.

I do know  that there are laptops that DO NOT have the Numpad; for 
this, if

memory serves, the CapsLock key is also being used as a modifier.

No, I didn't address your questions particularly, I want to leave 
those to

others to deal with more succinctly.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Not all sixpacks are the same.  Mine stands up, the way a braille cell does, 
and the top left is home, in other words, dot one is home, and dot four is 
end.  Another keyboard I have only has a five pack.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 4:01 PM
To: Tony C ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

Hi Tony:

If you have the six-pack of keys, what is the key on the top left of
the sixpack?

Kevin Huber

On 5/23/17, Tony C via Talk  wrote:

Hi, I have a Logitech keyboard and my insert key is way up on the top
row where the F keys are on the righthand end. There are three more keys
after the F12 key one of which is the insert key. I have the 6 pack of 
keys


but there's no insert key in there.

-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:33 PM
To: 'Ed Culpepper' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

Ed, don't you have a regular keyboard?  If you do, the Insert key would be
part of the Numpad set of keys, and not the one above the delete key.

I do know  that there are laptops that DO NOT have the Numpad; for this, 
if

memory serves, the CapsLock key is also being used as a modifier.

No, I didn't address your questions particularly, I want to leave those to
others to deal with more succinctly.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: for some nostalgia, here is a text collection of articles about Window-Eyes and by Window-Eyes staff from many years back

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Russ:
I thought that was verry interesting and I remember some of GW Micro's
philosophies in the verry beginning.  Tpoo bad they had to change
their ways.  Maybe Freedom Scientific, or VFO can learn something from
Doug.
Kevin Huber

On 5/20/17, Russ Kiehne via Talk  wrote:
> I thought many of you would be interest in this: for some nostalgia, here is
> a text collection of articles about Window-Eyes and by Window-Eyes staff
> from many years back
> http://bit.ly/2pVCiqC
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Re: sound cards

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi George:

I think you can, from what I remember, but I don't rember how it's
done and I do not have JAWS at hand to figure it out right now.
Kevin Huber


On 5/20/17, George Brechmann via Talk  wrote:
> Hello,
>  I have a Windows 7 computer with 2 sound cards.  In Window-eyes, I could
> have the computer sound through the first sound card and the WE audio
> through the second card.  Can this be done with Jaws?
>
>  Thank you.
>
>  George
>
>
>
> George
>
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RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Dennis Long via Talk]

E insert is the zero on the number pad.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:57 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

Hi, I have a Logitech keyboard and my insert key is way up on the top
row where the F keys are on the righthand end. There are three more keys
after the F12 key one of which is the insert key. I have the 6 pack of keys
but there's no insert key in there.

-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:33 PM
To: 'Ed Culpepper' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

Ed, don't you have a regular keyboard?  If you do, the Insert key would be
part of the Numpad set of keys, and not the one above the delete key.

I do know  that there are laptops that DO NOT have the Numpad; for this, if
memory serves, the CapsLock key is also being used as a modifier.

No, I didn't address your questions particularly, I want to leave those to
others to deal with more succinctly.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Tony:

If you have the six-pack of keys, what is the key on the top left of
the sixpack?

Kevin Huber

On 5/23/17, Tony C via Talk  wrote:
> Hi, I have a Logitech keyboard and my insert key is way up on the top
> row where the F keys are on the righthand end. There are three more keys
> after the F12 key one of which is the insert key. I have the 6 pack of keys
>
> but there's no insert key in there.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:33 PM
> To: 'Ed Culpepper' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
>
> Ed, don't you have a regular keyboard?  If you do, the Insert key would be
> part of the Numpad set of keys, and not the one above the delete key.
>
> I do know  that there are laptops that DO NOT have the Numpad; for this, if
> memory serves, the CapsLock key is also being used as a modifier.
>
> No, I didn't address your questions particularly, I want to leave those to
> others to deal with more succinctly.
>
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
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Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Tony C via Talk]

   Hi, I have a Logitech keyboard and my insert key is way up on the top 
row where the F keys are on the righthand end. There are three more keys 
after the F12 key one of which is the insert key. I have the 6 pack of keys 
but there's no insert key in there.


-Original Message- 
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD,Inc. via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:33 PM
To: 'Ed Culpepper' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

Ed, don't you have a regular keyboard?  If you do, the Insert key would be
part of the Numpad set of keys, and not the one above the delete key.

I do know  that there are laptops that DO NOT have the Numpad; for this, if
memory serves, the CapsLock key is also being used as a modifier.

No, I didn't address your questions particularly, I want to leave those to
others to deal with more succinctly.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: scam call

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:
If you really want a laugh, go to Youtube and type "computer scams" in
the search area.
In a couple of cases, the caller is stringing the scammer along, until
the scammer wants the money, then the caller informs him that he is
being recorded and the recording will be uploaded to youtube.  Then
the scammer hangs up.
Kevin Huber


On 5/20/17, Don H via Talk  wrote:
> Now this is a new one.  I have gotten many calls in the past telling me
> that it was microsoft calling and that I had a virus.  Of course
> Microsoft isn't going to call you to tell you you have a virus.
> Now today I got a call stating that it is a emergcy and that my
> Microsoft lincese has expired and I should call a number to fix the
> problem.  The real shame is that someone just might believe this stuff
> and get screwed.
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Jaws versus WE

[Don H via Talk]

Two issues I have with JAWS after making the switch is that Jaws does 
not announce the index in file explorer or in Thunderbird.
Also the copy and paste when using them within a web page work very 
poorly.  You can get the indication that something is selected and hit 
control c to copy it and when you paste it with control V, it is not 
what you expected.  For example I tried to copy a amount like 51.52 and 
when I pasted it it was 2.00.  Never seen such errors when copy and 
paste with WE or NVDA.

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Re: Installing JAWS

[Dave Basden via Talk]

A PO is a purchase order of the sort you see when you order things on 
line.  They show the item number, the price, any taxc, etc.At 11:59 
AM 5/23/2017, you wrote:

Excuse me.  The PO?  What is this?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:48 AM
To: Dave Basden via Talk
Subject: Re: Installing JAWS

I got the PO just as you have and it does not contain the activation
code.  I called VFO and was told the code isn't sent until the PO
generates a invoice.  They checked if the invoice had been created and
when it was they sent me a Email with my serial number and activation code.
So my recommendation is to call 1 800 444 4443 and hit the 6 key option.

On 5/23/2017 10:35 AM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
I filled out the form online to get JAWS authorization, was phoned 
to ask whether I wanted the home or office edition, and received an 
zero-charge invoice for JAWS and my one SMA from Window-Eyes.  Now 
I have downloaded JAWS and am trying to install it.  I am not sure 
what I am supposed to enter as the authorization number though.  I 
don't see anything that looks right in the purchase order I 
received via email.  Was I supposed to get a separte authorization 
number?  Confused!


Dave

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Re: Installing JAWS

[Dave Basden via Talk]

Thanks Don.  I'll do that if I haven't seen the activation code by tomorrow.

Dave


At 08:48 AM 5/23/2017, you wrote:
I got the PO just as you have and it does not contain the activation 
code.  I called VFO and was told the code isn't sent until the PO 
generates a invoice.  They checked if the invoice had been created 
and when it was they sent me a Email with my serial number and activation code.

So my recommendation is to call 1 800 444 4443 and hit the 6 key option.

On 5/23/2017 10:35 AM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
I filled out the form online to get JAWS authorization, was phoned 
to ask whether I wanted the home or office edition, and received an 
zero-charge invoice for JAWS and my one SMA from Window-Eyes.  Now 
I have downloaded JAWS and am trying to install it.  I am not sure 
what I am supposed to enter as the authorization number though.  I 
don't see anything that looks right in the purchase order I 
received via email.

Was I supposed to get a separte authorization number?  Confused!
Dave
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RE: switch to Jaws

[Paulette Vickery via Talk]

Are you saying that accessibility in Office 2013 and 2016 do not work as well 
as in 2010?

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:33 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: switch to Jaws

It's up to you on which one you want to use. However, 2016 will have the 
so-called latest and greatest features. Only you can decide if you want 
those new features. In terms of accessibility, Office 2010 will work 
with Jaws 18.

--
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Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
Work Email: train...@rgats.com
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“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - 
David Thornburg

On 5/22/2017 7:59 PM, Paulette Vickery wrote:
> Thanks for the information. But now I want to know if Office 2013 and 2016, 
> both work as well as Office 2010, for we blind people?
> 
> Paulette
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:22 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: switch to Jaws
> 
> Hi, I don't see why not. However, Office 2013 and 2016 will be better I
> think.
> 
> 
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> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
> Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
> Office: 832.639.4477
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> Work Email: train...@rgats.com
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> 
> “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
> Thornburg
> 
> On 5/20/2017 8:33 AM, Paulette Vickery wrote:
>> Raul,
>>
>> Can I use Office 2010 when using Jaws 18?
>>
>> Paulette
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>> On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:12 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: switch to Jaws
>>
>> It's unfortunate this is happening to Steve's setup. However, it doesn't
>> happen to me. I'm using Jaws current 18 and Office 2016 current on
>> Windows 10 and can switch between mail, contacts, and calendars with no
>> issues.
>>
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos
>> Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
>> Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
>> Office: 832.639.4477
>> Personal Email: r...@raulgallegos.com
>> Work Email: train...@rgats.com
>> Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer
>>
>> “Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
>> Thornburg
>>
>> On 5/15/2017 8:49 AM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> Up to quite recently, Window-Eyes used to do that as well.
>>> Since Microsoft made some significant accessibility updates, this stopped 
>>> happening.
>>> I'm surprised Jaws does this.
>>> Is this with the most recent version of Jaws?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rod
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk 
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:39 AM
>>> To: 'Dennis Long' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
>>> 
>>> Subject: RE: switch to Jaws
>>>
>>> It's also very buggy.  Just open Outlook 2016 and press Control-2 or
>>> Control-3 to go into Contacts or Calendar and watch JAWS die.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
>>> Sent: 14 May 2017 23:30
>>> To: 'Charles Short' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>> 
>>> Subject: RE: switch to Jaws
>>>
>>> Yes Jaws is very customizable I would make the switch.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 2:53 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: switch to Jaws
>>>
>>> Hello everybody on the list, should I make the switch to Jaws since
>>> Window-Eyes is going away?  Does Jaws have a control panel, you know where
>>> you can allow jaws to not say blank when arrowing down or also from read to
>>> end?  Thanks very much.
>>>
>>>
>>> Charlie Short
>>>
>>>
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Using New Syynthesizer

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

Hi,
My Deck-talk Express is gone.
Something went bad in it.
Using Vocalizer Express Tom.  It’s working real well.

Pastor Gil
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Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

I haven't installed JAWS yet. But I assume the problem is that JAWS does 
not possess the elegant code Window-Eyes does to determine the logical 
status bar when there is no actual status bar, which is the case on the 
desktop and in Thunderbird.
Obviously there's no status bar on the desktop. But in Thunderbird there 
is a window that looks and acts like a status bar, but it is not 
(technically speaking) a true status bar.
It's a good example of the never-ending uphill battle screen-reader 
developers face. Windows has a specific status bar window that can be 
created and yet it is not uncommon for developers to just tack on 
another standard window that accomplishes the same purpose visually.

Regards,
Tom


On 5/23/2017 1:30 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote:

Thank you, but that was not the answer.  The window is already
maximized.  Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing.  If I move to
my Carol folder, it says 465 items.  If I am on the desktop, it says
5/23/2017.  If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x
number of items selected.  It will read how many pages, words and some
percentage in Office Word.  It will not read anything from Thunderbird
that should represent any type of status information.  I can go back to
the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread
messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into
different accounts.

I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the
sunset, grin!


Carol


On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the
window has been maximized.  You might see if that helps in this case.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List

Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status
line except for the file explorer.  I am used to having a status line in
Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read
and in some cases, how many have been deleted.  I have tried using both
the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack.  It
says absolutely nothing.  Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop,
it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it
is in, grin.  Thanks for any suggestions.

Carol


On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the
numpad 3.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS



From: Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in
MS Word or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t
give enough information. If one can’t identify the cursor position,
using MS Word is almost impossible.
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Re: Installing JAWS

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Pamela:

The PO is the Purchase order.

Kevin Huber
On 5/23/17, Pamela Dominguez via Talk  wrote:
> Excuse me.  The PO?  What is this?  Pam.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Don H via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:48 AM
> To: Dave Basden via Talk
> Subject: Re: Installing JAWS
>
> I got the PO just as you have and it does not contain the activation
> code.  I called VFO and was told the code isn't sent until the PO
> generates a invoice.  They checked if the invoice had been created and
> when it was they sent me a Email with my serial number and activation code.
> So my recommendation is to call 1 800 444 4443 and hit the 6 key option.
>
> On 5/23/2017 10:35 AM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
>> I filled out the form online to get JAWS authorization, was phoned to ask
>>
>> whether I wanted the home or office edition, and received an zero-charge
>> invoice for JAWS and my one SMA from Window-Eyes.  Now I have downloaded
>> JAWS and am trying to install it.  I am not sure what I am supposed to
>> enter as the authorization number though.  I don't see anything that looks
>>
>> right in the purchase order I received via email.  Was I supposed to get a
>>
>> separte authorization number?  Confused!
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: Installing JAWS

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Excuse me.  The PO?  What is this?  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 11:48 AM
To: Dave Basden via Talk
Subject: Re: Installing JAWS

I got the PO just as you have and it does not contain the activation
code.  I called VFO and was told the code isn't sent until the PO
generates a invoice.  They checked if the invoice had been created and
when it was they sent me a Email with my serial number and activation code.
So my recommendation is to call 1 800 444 4443 and hit the 6 key option.

On 5/23/2017 10:35 AM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
I filled out the form online to get JAWS authorization, was phoned to ask 
whether I wanted the home or office edition, and received an zero-charge 
invoice for JAWS and my one SMA from Window-Eyes.  Now I have downloaded 
JAWS and am trying to install it.  I am not sure what I am supposed to 
enter as the authorization number though.  I don't see anything that looks 
right in the purchase order I received via email.  Was I supposed to get a 
separte authorization number?  Confused!


Dave

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Re: question, when installing Jaws?

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi David:

I would turn off Window-eyes and turn on narrator before installing
JAWS, just to be safe.
Kevin Huber

On 5/19/17, David Pearson via Talk  wrote:
> Hello list,
>
>I downloaded Jaws and now I have the .exe file. To install it, do
> I have to have window eyes turned off. Thanks for your help,
>
> Dave
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Re: jaws observations.

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

A guy who was helping me with something on the phone years ago kept saying 
he wished I had jaws, because he kept telling me window eyes was "just 
crazy!"  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Huber via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:44 AM
To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws observations.

Hi Charles:

It is interesting that you say Window-eyes is more intuitive.  Of
course, I tend to agree with you after Window-eyes has been my main
screen reader for fifteen years, but I have heard several longtime
JAWS users say that JAWS is more intuitive than Woindow-eyes, so the
word intuiitive is a relative term I guess.

Kevin Huber


On 5/22/17, Charles Adkins via Talk  wrote:

Well, using my dectalk usb I can't seem to figure out how to change the
voice pitch and Jaws doesn't seem as responsive as we. I do also miss some
of the features. I haven't found Jaws to be as intuitive as we but its 
only

been a week for me and I keep going back to we after my fustration.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2017, at 6:36 AM, michaels mail via Talk
 wrote:

Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
yet.
Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
I find jaws quiet stable so far.
I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start
again with the hot key.
The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
Cheers Michael.
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Re: jaws observations.

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

My first screenreader the Commission gave me was called articvision.  I 
thought they were going to give me Vert Plus.  My first windows screenreader 
was called Window Bridge.  The windows computer and screenreader didn't come 
from the Commission.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Russ Kiehne via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:29 AM
To: Butch Bussen ; Steve Nutt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: jaws observations.

As a good friend told me: Several screen readers battled for supremacy in
North America at the end of the last century and the beginning of this one,
and now JAWS is the only one still  standing.

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:24 AM
To: Steve Nutt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

So true, but don't you remember from the good old days.  Jaws is the
screen reader built by God, there is none better.  Thou shalt not put
other screen readers before me.  There are always things that one screen
reader does better.  Doug has always said that.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 22 May 2017, Steve
Nutt via Talk wrote:


Sorry, no software has no crashes.  I can crash JAWS as easily as
Window-Eyes, especially in Outlook 2016.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 16:55
To: 'michaels mail' ; 'Window-Eyes 
Discussion

List' 
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

Jaws is very stable no crashes.  For those struggling don't give up.  Let 
me

ask this if You got a I phone and your new to it did you put it down when
you had issues?  The same thing applies you don't switch back to WE you 
push
through it and figure out if it can be done or if not what is a work 
around

you ask here or on another list.

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On Behalf Of michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:36 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: jaws observations.

Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
yet.
Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
I find jaws quiet stable so far.
I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start 
again

with the hot key.
The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
Cheers Michael.
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Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

Thank you, but that was not the answer.  The window is already 
maximized.  Ctrl-numpad page down says absolutely nothing.  If I move to 
my Carol folder, it says 465 items.  If I am on the desktop, it says 
5/23/2017.  If I select some random items from a folder, it then says x 
number of items selected.  It will read how many pages, words and some 
percentage in Office Word.  It will not read anything from Thunderbird 
that should represent any type of status information.  I can go back to 
the main folder list in Thunderbird and get a number of how many unread 
messages there are for all unread messages, but they are not broken into 
different accounts.


I have finished beating this dead horse, so I am walking off into the 
sunset, grin!



Carol


On 5/23/2017 12:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via Talk wrote:

Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the window has 
been maximized.  You might see if that helps in this case.

Best regards,

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status
line except for the file explorer.  I am used to having a status line in
Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read
and in some cases, how many have been deleted.  I have tried using both
the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack.  It
says absolutely nothing.  Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop,
it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it
is in, grin.  Thanks for any suggestions.

Carol


On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the numpad 3.


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Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS



From: Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in MS Word 
or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t give enough 
information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, using MS Word is almost 
impossible.
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RE: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

Sometimes I find that the status lines only reads correctly when the window has 
been maximized.  You might see if that helps in this case.

Best regards,

Steve

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve.jacobson=visi@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:10 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 

Subject: Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status 
line except for the file explorer.  I am used to having a status line in 
Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read 
and in some cases, how many have been deleted.  I have tried using both 
the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack.  It 
says absolutely nothing.  Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, 
it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it 
is in, grin.  Thanks for any suggestions.

Carol


On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the numpad 3.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
> Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>
>
>
> From: Tom Fairhurst
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
> To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS
>
> Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in MS Word 
> or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t give enough 
> information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, using MS Word is 
> almost impossible.
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RE: JAWS and Remote Desktop

[Scott Wheat via Talk]

I just got off the phone with VFO because I had to purchase this for my job.
It cost $200.00.

Scott


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[mailto:talk-bounces+scott=crackedwheat@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:30 AM
To: 'Jim Ruby'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: JAWS and Remote Desktop

How much is the remote stuff?

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On Behalf Of Jim Ruby via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:18 PM
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Subject: RE: JAWS and Remote Desktop

I do not think so you must have jaws pro, at least that is my understanding.
Jaws home will not support this at least that is what I was told by the lady
on the phone when I orders my jaws home. I can't justify the extra expence
of pro then additional expence for the remote desktop support.



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Subject: JAWS and Remote Desktop

Hi:

I am getting JAWS Home to put on my system here at home.  I think my company
plans to get JAWS Pro with the Remote Desktop capabilities.
Will I still be able to connect to their system through Remote Desktop even
though i have JAWS Home and they have JAWS Pro?
Kevin Huber
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RE: JAWS and Remote Desktop

[Dennis Long via Talk]

How much is the remote stuff?

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On Behalf Of Jim Ruby via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:18 PM
To: 'Kevin Huber'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: JAWS and Remote Desktop

I do not think so you must have jaws pro, at least that is my understanding.
Jaws home will not support this at least that is what I was told by the lady
on the phone when I orders my jaws home. I can't justify the extra expence
of pro then additional expence for the remote desktop support.



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Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:06 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: JAWS and Remote Desktop

Hi:

I am getting JAWS Home to put on my system here at home.  I think my company
plans to get JAWS Pro with the Remote Desktop capabilities.
Will I still be able to connect to their system through Remote Desktop even
though i have JAWS Home and they have JAWS Pro?
Kevin Huber
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RE: JAWS and Remote Desktop

[Jim Ruby via Talk]

I do not think so you must have jaws pro, at least that is my understanding.
Jaws home will not support this at least that is what I was told by the lady
on the phone when I orders my jaws home. I can't justify the extra expence
of pro then additional expence for the remote desktop support.



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Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:06 AM
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Subject: JAWS and Remote Desktop

Hi:

I am getting JAWS Home to put on my system here at home.  I think my company
plans to get JAWS Pro with the Remote Desktop capabilities.
Will I still be able to connect to their system through Remote Desktop even
though i have JAWS Home and they have JAWS Pro?
Kevin Huber
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Re: Installing JAWS

[Don H via Talk]

I got the PO just as you have and it does not contain the activation 
code.  I called VFO and was told the code isn't sent until the PO 
generates a invoice.  They checked if the invoice had been created and 
when it was they sent me a Email with my serial number and activation code.

So my recommendation is to call 1 800 444 4443 and hit the 6 key option.

On 5/23/2017 10:35 AM, Dave Basden via Talk wrote:
I filled out the form online to get JAWS authorization, was phoned to 
ask whether I wanted the home or office edition, and received an 
zero-charge invoice for JAWS and my one SMA from Window-Eyes.  Now I 
have downloaded JAWS and am trying to install it.  I am not sure what I 
am supposed to enter as the authorization number though.  I don't see 
anything that looks right in the purchase order I received via email.  
Was I supposed to get a separte authorization number?  Confused!


Dave

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Re: upgrading to windows 10

[Norene Trappa via Talk]

Thanks for that good word.  I will try it.

Norene



-Original Message- 
From: Armando Maldonado via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:50 AM
To: Chris G ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: upgrading to windows 10

Hello, I was able to get it under the assistive technology deal microsoft
offers. https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/accessibility/windows10upgrade
Chris is right about the July period, but it was only for the general
public. Hope this helps.
Armando
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris G via Talk" 

To: "Linette Sukup via Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading to windows 10



No, it isn't.
That ended back in July if my memory serves me.



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From: Linette Sukup via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:24 AM EST
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: upgrading to windows 10



Is it still free for those NOT using screen readers?

Peace.
Linette



On 5/22/2017 4:57 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
Hi Noreen,

It's still available.

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Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: May 22, 2017 5:14 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: upgrading to windows 10

Hello,

Some time ago there was a free version of windows 10 for us on this
list.  Is that still available at this time?  I am using windows 7 and
hope to get Jaws before the end of July.  Thanks!

Norene

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Installing JAWS

[Dave Basden via Talk]

I filled out the form online to get JAWS authorization, was phoned to 
ask whether I wanted the home or office edition, and received an 
zero-charge invoice for JAWS and my one SMA from Window-Eyes.  Now I 
have downloaded JAWS and am trying to install it.  I am not sure what 
I am supposed to enter as the authorization number though.  I don't 
see anything that looks right in the purchase order I received via 
email.  Was I supposed to get a separte authorization number?  Confused!


Dave

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Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

I would like to suggest, based on my own experience, if switching a 
desktop keyboard setting to laptop setting, it might be worthhwhile to 
make sure Jaws is in the alt-tab setting. Trying to use the capslock key 
to get into the Jaws setting was very tempramental for me.  It only 
worked on a very few occasions and I did try many times to use it.  I am 
certain there was some operator error, but even I can't have messed up 
that badly, LOL!


Carol, happily using my insert key!


On 5/23/2017 10:39 AM, Ed Culpepper via Talk wrote:

I have not tried the laptop layout. I will check out that possibility. I have 
not loaded Jaws on my laptop yet, but I certainly will be doing so. I can 
anticipate that using the same keyboard layout on both my desktop and laptop 
could be advantageous. Using the same keystrokes regardless of which computer I 
am using seems more simple and efficient.
Thanks for the suggestion and link.
Ed Culpepper
  
J. Edward Culpepper

Huntsville, Alabama, USA
  
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From: Joseph Norton [mailto:joseph.nor...@gmail.com]

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:04 PM
To: Ed Culpepper; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
  
Hi:
  
Have you tried the laptop layout?
  
Here is a link to a set of mp3 files describing it.  This is also available in a DAISY book through FS Reader.  Here is the link;
  
ftp://ftp.freedomscientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/JAWS/LaptopKeysWithJAWS.zip
  
Hope this helps.
  
  
  
Sent from Mail   for Windows 10
  
From: Ed Culpepper via Talk 

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Subject: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
  
Greeting WE Migrants -

I am learning Jaws navigational keystrokes as I migrate from beloved WE to
Jaws. Using the insert key as a primary Jaws modifier key is very awkward
for me. On my keyboard the insert key is the top left key on the so-called
"6-pack" of keys located just above the arrow keys. The Jaws command to
begin "Say All" (like WE "Read to End") is Insert-down arrow. That requires
an awkward contortion of my right hand or an inconvenient reach with my left
hand for the insert key as I press the down arrow with my right hand. Other
navigational commands use the insert key as the modifier with keys that are
usually typed with fingers on the right hand. I am finding these keystroke
combinations to be frustrating.
Obviously Jaws users have been using this illogical keystroke combination
for years. I must be missing something about how to do so efficiently. I
have read about altering navigational keystrokes in Jaws, but I don't want
to have to redesign the whole set of them. Bottom line is that I have a
couple of questions:
1. Is there some alternative to the insert key as a primary modifier key for
navigational keystrokes in Jaws? The WE Control-Alt combination with a
single letter key was much more ergonomically efficient. To longtime Jaws
users: I am looking to you for help or encouragement for the insert key
awkwardness - any help?
2. Can I reprogram my computer or Windows 10 to recognize some key of my
choosing to function as an additional insert key? For example, could I
sacrifice the Control key on the left side of my keyboard to become an
insert key to use as a modifier with keys typically typed with my right
hand?
I hope that I am not obsessing over what turns out with experience
manipulating Jaws to be simply a curious quirk for a new user. Any help will
be appreciated.
Many thanks -
Ed Culpepper
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JAWS and Remote Desktop

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi:

I am getting JAWS Home to put on my system here at home.  I think my
company plans to get JAWS Pro with the Remote Desktop capabilities.
Will I still be able to connect to their system through Remote Desktop
even though i have JAWS Home and they have JAWS Pro?
Kevin Huber
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Re: external synthesizer question

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Charles:

You have to press insert-j to go to the JAWS Control pannel, down
arrow to Voices, press Enter and tab until you get to that setting.
Kevin Huber
go to the JAWS Control panel

On 5/22/17, Charles Adkins via Talk  wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPhoneI am using a usb Dectalk external syn. I can't find any
> pitch adjustments using Jaws. They were so easy to find with we as most
> everything seems to have been. I find we more intuitive. I was asked how I
> like Jaws by a friendly vfo person and I told him that their response was,
> "ok"
>
> I digress. Any help with my external dectalk usb would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
>
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Re: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

[Tom Fairhurst via Talk]

It is good that one can do this, but it's sad that JAWS, the program said to 
be the anointed screen reader for all time, does not provide a way to adjust 
the synthesizer volume. On another note, it seems that help with  nmouse 
movement and adjusting how many pixels the mouse moves with each key press 
is difficult to find. Yet, since I really don't worry too muich about either 
of these, I enjoy those things about Window-Eyes. Nontheless, I am learning 
my way around JAWS and getting along well. As has been stated in previous 
posts, there are merits and pitfalls with all screen readers.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:47 AM
To: 'Steve Nutt' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Guess what you can do the same thing in windows 7 and back to xp I believe. 
you


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:23 AM
To: 'Joseph Norton'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Hi,

But you can, in Windows 10, adjust the volume of JAWS as a whole.

Go to System Tray, find your sound card and right click or press 
applications key, then Open Volume Mixer.  Now you will see a volume 
specifically for JAWS.  If you turn that down, it will turn Eloquence down.


All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: 22 May 2017 08:01
To: Richard Petty ; Window-Eyes DiscussionList 


Subject: RE: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

This is only true with Eloquence.

If you are using Vocalizer or SAPI speech, you can adjust volume of the 
speech.


To do this, press Insert-j for the JAWS window.  In the options menu, select 
Voices.  Under that, select Voice Adjustment.  You’ll be asked to select a 
default voice profile.  Once you select Sapi or Vocalizer profile, you will 
find that there is now a control you can tab to in order to set the speech 
volume.


Hope this helps.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 7:38 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: JAWS Software Synthesizer Volume

Is it correct that volume cannot be adjusted and set within JAWS, but 
instead only with the system volume or physical volume controls on the 
computer? If it can be set within JAWS, how is this done?


Thanks in advance.

Richard Petty

-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty [mailto:richard.pe...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:31 AM
To: 'Lloyd Rasmussen'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

Thanks so much.

-Original Message-
From: Lloyd Rasmussen [mailto:l...@sprynet.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:45 PM
To: Richard Petty; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

I think that the Word Nav app was inspired by a feature that was already in 
JAWS. And you go in and out of its browse mode with insert-Z, which is the 
same keystroke that is used with web browsers in JAWS.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:21 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: WordNav Functionality in JAWS

All,

I will soon make the move to JAWS. The Wordnav app has provided very nice 
functionality for navigating MS Word documents.


What are the JAWS commands, if any, closest to those in Wordnav for moving 
through headings, tables and other document features?


Thanks in advance.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Marcie Chaney via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:29 PM
To: 'Doug Geoffray'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

I talked to customer service about something related to your question and 
they told me that zoomtext fusion 11 will be using JAWS for the screen 
reader portion of fustion and that the upgrade from zoomtext fustion 10 to
11 is quite costly but not as expensive as getting magic with JAWS. This is 
not a direct answer to your concern about ap central. It is what happens to 
WE after WE goes away.

Marcie Brink-Chaney CVRT

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+chaneyma=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Doug Geoffray via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:35 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes to JAWS Migration

Reeva,

Good question.  At this point we have no plans on taking down app central 
but clearly at some point in the future will become irrelevant and go down.
I would hope as long as Window-Eyes can continued to be used it would be up 
and if it does need to go down we would give people ample notice.


Doug

Re: upgrading to windows 10

[Armando Maldonado via Talk]

Hello, I was able to get it under the assistive technology deal microsoft 
offers. https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/accessibility/windows10upgrade
Chris is right about the July period, but it was only for the general 
public. Hope this helps.

Armando
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris G via Talk" 

To: "Linette Sukup via Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: upgrading to windows 10



No, it isn't.
That ended back in July if my memory serves me.



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 Original Message 
From: Linette Sukup via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:24 AM EST
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: upgrading to windows 10



Is it still free for those NOT using screen readers?

Peace.
Linette



On 5/22/2017 4:57 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
Hi Noreen,

It's still available.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: May 22, 2017 5:14 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: upgrading to windows 10

Hello,

Some time ago there was a free version of windows 10 for us on this
list.  Is that still available at this time?  I am using windows 7 and
hope to get Jaws before the end of July.  Thanks!

Norene

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Re: Reading with mouse cursor in JAWS

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hello Loy:

If you are using a full qwerty keyboard, press the numpad minus key to
go into JAWS Cursor Mode.  When you want to go back to reading with
the reagular cursor, press the numpad plus key to go back to PC Cursor
mode.

Kevin Huber

On 5/23/17, Loy via Talk  wrote:
> Can I set JAWS to read what the mouse cursor passes over?
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RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Ed Culpepper via Talk]

I have not tried the laptop layout. I will check out that possibility. I have 
not loaded Jaws on my laptop yet, but I certainly will be doing so. I can 
anticipate that using the same keyboard layout on both my desktop and laptop 
could be advantageous. Using the same keystrokes regardless of which computer I 
am using seems more simple and efficient.
Thanks for the suggestion and link.
Ed Culpepper
 
J. Edward Culpepper
Huntsville, Alabama, USA
 
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  http://www.blindfaith.fbchsv2.org
 
From: Joseph Norton [mailto:joseph.nor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:04 PM
To: Ed Culpepper; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
 
Hi:
 
Have you tried the laptop layout?
 
Here is a link to a set of mp3 files describing it.  This is also available in 
a DAISY book through FS Reader.  Here is the link;
 
ftp://ftp.freedomscientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/JAWS/LaptopKeysWithJAWS.zip
 
Hope this helps.
 
 
 
Sent from Mail   for Windows 10
 
From: Ed Culpepper via Talk  
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'  
Subject: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?
 
Greeting WE Migrants -
I am learning Jaws navigational keystrokes as I migrate from beloved WE to
Jaws. Using the insert key as a primary Jaws modifier key is very awkward
for me. On my keyboard the insert key is the top left key on the so-called
"6-pack" of keys located just above the arrow keys. The Jaws command to
begin "Say All" (like WE "Read to End") is Insert-down arrow. That requires
an awkward contortion of my right hand or an inconvenient reach with my left
hand for the insert key as I press the down arrow with my right hand. Other
navigational commands use the insert key as the modifier with keys that are
usually typed with fingers on the right hand. I am finding these keystroke
combinations to be frustrating.
Obviously Jaws users have been using this illogical keystroke combination
for years. I must be missing something about how to do so efficiently. I
have read about altering navigational keystrokes in Jaws, but I don't want
to have to redesign the whole set of them. Bottom line is that I have a
couple of questions:
1. Is there some alternative to the insert key as a primary modifier key for
navigational keystrokes in Jaws? The WE Control-Alt combination with a
single letter key was much more ergonomically efficient. To longtime Jaws
users: I am looking to you for help or encouragement for the insert key
awkwardness - any help?
2. Can I reprogram my computer or Windows 10 to recognize some key of my
choosing to function as an additional insert key? For example, could I
sacrifice the Control key on the left side of my keyboard to become an
insert key to use as a modifier with keys typically typed with my right
hand?
I hope that I am not obsessing over what turns out with experience
manipulating Jaws to be simply a curious quirk for a new user. Any help will
be appreciated.
Many thanks -
Ed Culpepper
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RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Ed Culpepper via Talk]

Hi, Olusegun -
I have 2 insert keys on my standard keyboard. I most often use the key above
the delete key, the one in the "6-pack" of keys. The numpad insert key is
proving to be more convenient for navigational controls and invoking "Say
All" reading. My next investigation will be use of the capslock key as a
general left-hand modifier key. I have read the list of Jaws keystrokes and
noted that capslock is cited as the modifier for a number of functions.

Thanks for the helpful response. Much learning and orientation left to
become comfortable with Jaws... but it is coming.

Ed Culpepper

P.S. I note your location in Denver. I was out there in February to ski 3
days in Vail. My son is an ICU nurse at the VA hospital in Denver. It was my
return to snow skiing after becoming blind 25 years ago. I'll be back!

J. Edward Culpepper
Huntsville, Alabama, USA

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-Original Message-
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
[mailto:ukekearu...@valtdnet.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:34 PM
To: 'Ed Culpepper'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

Ed, don't you have a regular keyboard?  If you do, the Insert key would be
part of the Numpad set of keys, and not the one above the delete key.  

I do know  that there are laptops that DO NOT have the Numpad; for this, if
memory serves, the CapsLock key is also being used as a modifier.

No, I didn't address your questions particularly, I want to leave those to
others to deal with more succinctly.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 


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Reading with mouse cursor in JAWS

[Loy via Talk]

Can I set JAWS to read what the mouse cursor passes over? 
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Re: JAWS

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Don:

I remember when I switched from JAWS to Window-eyes all those years
ago,, the neater interface was one of the main reasons that I
switched, as well as not having to change to a different mode when I
wanted to use the Mouse cursor, or JAWS cursor.  But that's all in the
past now and we will all get used to the JAWS way of doing things.
Kevin Huber


On 5/20/17, Don H via Talk  wrote:
> at least for me Jaws is proving to be more stable than Window Eyes on my
> Windows 10 laptop.  No loss of speech that often happened in IE 11 and
> Thunderbird is having no problems.  Must say however I think that WE has
> a much better User interface.  After the learning curve I think JAWS
> will be a good replacement for WE.
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RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Ed Culpepper via Talk]

I have read about some Jaws keystrokes using Capslock as a modifier. I have
not experimented with its general use yet. That is next on my list as I
acclimate to our new way of life!
Ed Culpepper

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-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long [mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 4:28 PM
To: 'Ed Culpepper'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

You could make the caps lock as the insert key I think.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Ed Culpepper via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 5:10 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

Greeting WE Migrants -
I am learning Jaws navigational keystrokes as I migrate from beloved WE to
Jaws. Using the insert key as a primary Jaws modifier key is very awkward
for me. On my keyboard the insert key is the top left key on the so-called
"6-pack" of keys located just above the arrow keys. The Jaws command to
begin "Say All" (like WE "Read to End") is Insert-down arrow. That requires
an awkward contortion of my right hand or an inconvenient reach with my left
hand for the insert key as I press the down arrow with my right hand. Other
navigational commands use the insert key as the modifier with keys that are
usually typed with fingers on the right hand. I am finding these keystroke
combinations to be frustrating.
Obviously Jaws users have been using this illogical keystroke combination
for years. I must be missing something about how to do so efficiently. I
have read about altering navigational keystrokes in Jaws, but I don't want
to have to redesign the whole set of them. Bottom line is that I have a
couple of questions:
1. Is there some alternative to the insert key as a primary modifier key for
navigational keystrokes in Jaws? The WE Control-Alt combination with a
single letter key was much more ergonomically efficient. To longtime Jaws
users: I am looking to you for help or encouragement for the insert key
awkwardness - any help?
2. Can I reprogram my computer or Windows 10 to recognize some key of my
choosing to function as an additional insert key? For example, could I
sacrifice the Control key on the left side of my keyboard to become an
insert key to use as a modifier with keys typically typed with my right
hand?
I hope that I am not obsessing over what turns out with experience
manipulating Jaws to be simply a curious quirk for a new user. Any help will
be appreciated.
Many thanks -
Ed Culpepper
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RE: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

[Ed Culpepper via Talk]

Thanks for your testimonial. I am finding use of the numpad insert key to be
handy with navigational controls and reading with "Say All." I have read
through the table of Jaws keystroke controls. I haven't tried them all, but
I anticipate difficulty with the combinations requiring the insert key and
letters typically typed with the right hand. I have not yet experimented
with using the Caps-lock key as a left-hand alternative to the right-hand 2
insert keys (6-pack and numpad). I'll try that next!
Thanks for your help. 
Still climbing the learning curve
Ed Culpepper

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-Original Message-
From: ratshtron [mailto:northstarr1...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 4:45 PM
To: Ed Culpepper; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Alternative for Insert as Awkward Jaws Modifier Key?

hmmm, i always use numpad insert plus numpad8 for jawskey plus 
downarrow with no trouble at all. numpad 4 is left arrow, numpad2 is 
uparrow, and numpad6 is right arrow.


Legend has it that on Monday 5/22/2017 04:09 PM, Ed Culpepper via Talk said:

>Greeting WE Migrants -
>I am learning Jaws navigational keystrokes as I migrate from beloved WE to
>Jaws. Using the insert key as a primary Jaws modifier key is very awkward
>for me. On my keyboard the insert key is the top left key on the so-called
>"6-pack" of keys located just above the arrow keys. The Jaws command to
>begin "Say All" (like WE "Read to End") is Insert-down arrow. That requires
>an awkward contortion of my right hand or an inconvenient reach with my
left
>hand for the insert key as I press the down arrow with my right hand. Other
>navigational commands use the insert key as the modifier with keys that are
>usually typed with fingers on the right hand. I am finding these keystroke
>combinations to be frustrating.
>Obviously Jaws users have been using this illogical keystroke combination
>for years. I must be missing something about how to do so efficiently. I
>have read about altering navigational keystrokes in Jaws, but I don't want
>to have to redesign the whole set of them. Bottom line is that I have a
>couple of questions:
>1. Is there some alternative to the insert key as a primary modifier key
for
>navigational keystrokes in Jaws? The WE Control-Alt combination with a
>single letter key was much more ergonomically efficient. To longtime Jaws
>users: I am looking to you for help or encouragement for the insert key
>awkwardness - any help?
>2. Can I reprogram my computer or Windows 10 to recognize some key of my
>choosing to function as an additional insert key? For example, could I
>sacrifice the Control key on the left side of my keyboard to become an
>insert key to use as a modifier with keys typically typed with my right
>hand?
>I hope that I am not obsessing over what turns out with experience
>manipulating Jaws to be simply a curious quirk for a new user. Any help
will
>be appreciated.
>Many thanks -
>Ed Culpepper
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Re: jaws observations.

[Loy via Talk]

I've been a WE user for about 15 years.  before that I had enough sight to use 
a computer without a screen reader. I tried JAWS and WE demos and at that time 
found that Window Eyes was much easier, navigation was more logical to me than 
JAWS. I plan to keep using WE as long as I can and I'm going to install JAWS 
and see if I can learn it while still using WE.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Huber via Talk 
  To: Charles Adkins ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:44 AM
  Subject: Re: jaws observations.


  Hi Charles:

  It is interesting that you say Window-eyes is more intuitive.  Of
  course, I tend to agree with you after Window-eyes has been my main
  screen reader for fifteen years, but I have heard several longtime
  JAWS users say that JAWS is more intuitive than Woindow-eyes, so the
  word intuiitive is a relative term I guess.

  Kevin Huber


  On 5/22/17, Charles Adkins via Talk  wrote:
  > Well, using my dectalk usb I can't seem to figure out how to change the
  > voice pitch and Jaws doesn't seem as responsive as we. I do also miss some
  > of the features. I haven't found Jaws to be as intuitive as we but its only
  > been a week for me and I keep going back to we after my fustration.
  >
  > Sent from my iPhone
  >
  >> On May 22, 2017, at 6:36 AM, michaels mail via Talk
  >>  wrote:
  >>
  >> Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
  >> yet.
  >> Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
  >> I find jaws quiet stable so far.
  >> I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start
  >> again with the hot key.
  >> The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
  >> Cheers Michael.
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Re: jaws observations.

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Charles:

It is interesting that you say Window-eyes is more intuitive.  Of
course, I tend to agree with you after Window-eyes has been my main
screen reader for fifteen years, but I have heard several longtime
JAWS users say that JAWS is more intuitive than Woindow-eyes, so the
word intuiitive is a relative term I guess.

Kevin Huber


On 5/22/17, Charles Adkins via Talk  wrote:
> Well, using my dectalk usb I can't seem to figure out how to change the
> voice pitch and Jaws doesn't seem as responsive as we. I do also miss some
> of the features. I haven't found Jaws to be as intuitive as we but its only
> been a week for me and I keep going back to we after my fustration.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 22, 2017, at 6:36 AM, michaels mail via Talk
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
>> yet.
>> Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
>> I find jaws quiet stable so far.
>> I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start
>> again with the hot key.
>> The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
>> Cheers Michael.
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mirror drivers error when installing jaws

[Jeff Weiss via Talk]

After installing the 64 bit demo of jaws 18, I get an error message saying the 
freedom scientific mirror drivers did not install correctly.  
The message says first try to re-boot, and if this does not work, try running 
the install again with the 
/type repair
switch.  I did this with both the regular and non-tandem versions of jaws 18.
I called the jaws help line at 800-444-4443 and they said call the microsoft 
disability desk.  I did, and they remotely updated my graphics drivers.  Still 
no joy

Has this happened to anybody else?  If so, what can I do?
any help appreciated!!!
Jeff Weiss

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Deck-talk Express Question

[Pastor Gil Pries via Talk]

My Deck-talk Express has been crashing today.
Is there anything I can try?
Also  I want to post an email to the jfwgroupsio list, but forgot how to do so.
Thanks,

Pastor Gil
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Re: jaws observations.

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

As a good friend told me: Several screen readers battled for supremacy in 
North America at the end of the last century and the beginning of this one, 
and now JAWS is the only one still  standing.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch Bussen via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:24 AM
To: Steve Nutt ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

So true, but don't you remember from the good old days.  Jaws is the
screen reader built by God, there is none better.  Thou shalt not put
other screen readers before me.  There are always things that one screen
reader does better.  Doug has always said that.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Mon, 22 May 2017, Steve
Nutt via Talk wrote:


Sorry, no software has no crashes.  I can crash JAWS as easily as
Window-Eyes, especially in Outlook 2016.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Dennis Long via Talk
Sent: 22 May 2017 16:55
To: 'michaels mail' ; 'Window-Eyes 
Discussion

List' 
Subject: RE: jaws observations.

Jaws is very stable no crashes.  For those struggling don't give up.  Let 
me

ask this if You got a I phone and your new to it did you put it down when
you had issues?  The same thing applies you don't switch back to WE you 
push
through it and figure out if it can be done or if not what is a work 
around

you ask here or on another list.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of michaels mail via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:36 AM
To: window eyes help list
Subject: jaws observations.

Hi guys how are people going with Jaws has anybody had any mager probems
yet.
Has Jaws crashed in any way so far.
I find jaws quiet stable so far.
I use to have WE just stop talking in WLM and IE WE would always start 
again

with the hot key.
The only thing i miss some of the WE features.
Cheers Michael.
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Re: WLM Contacts Search in JAWS

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I see you are using wlm.  By chance do you know how to lable the graphics to 
have jaws say things like: replied to, forwarded etc. when arrowing up and 
down the message list?


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:15 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: WLM Contacts Search in JAWS

When running Window-Eyes, I start typing in the “to”  field, and I hear WLM 
searching contacts, and I can usually reach the one I want. At most, I can 
use the arrow keys to choose the one I want. However, with JAWS 18, this 
doesn’t seem to work. Any ideas?

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Re: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

[Carol and Roger via Talk]

If the key is insert-page down, then I never have anything in the status 
line except for the file explorer.  I am used to having a status line in 
Thunderbird that tells me how many messages there, how many are not read 
and in some cases, how many have been deleted.  I have tried using both 
the insert-page down on the number pad and the ones on the six-pack.  It 
says absolutely nothing.  Oh yes, somethimes, when I am on the desktop, 
it will tell me either the date or the time, depending on what mood it 
is in, grin.  Thanks for any suggestions.


Carol


On 5/22/2017 6:29 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Yes it's insert plus page down. On a desktop, it's insert plus the numpad 3.


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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 6:26 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Fw: Reading the Status Line in JAWS



From: Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 3:07 PM
To: talk-requ...@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Reading the Status Line in JAWS

Is there a JAWS equivalent for reading the status line in a window in MS Word 
or other programs? Reading the top or bottom line doesn’t give enough 
information. If one can’t identify the cursor position, using MS Word is almost 
impossible.
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Re: Forms Question

[Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk]

There is also another mode, imitating Window-Eyes' behavior, that goes in 
and out of forms mode with the Tab and shift-Tab keys, but not with the 
arrow keys. This is one of the instances where JAWS had to create a feature 
that Window-Eyes already had. It is not the default, however.




Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- 
From: Raul A. Gallegos via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:10 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Forms Question

Hi, you can change forms mode to manual. This will make it so you will
have to always press Enter on edit boxes to turn off the virtual cursor
and enable forms mode. This setting is found either in the startup
wizard from the Jaws window help menu, or by pressing Jaws-6, typing
forms, and arrowing down to the forms mode settings and making the
necessary changes.

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Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
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“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” -
David Thornburg

On 5/22/2017 9:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

One of the features I like in WE is the ability to arrow down on a web
page without having to come in contact with "browse mode off." Can I do
that with Jaws without having to change settings?  Sometimes I want to
type in an edit box, but sometimes I want to quickly skip past them.
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Re: Thunderbird accounts

[Tom Kingston via Talk]

Neville,
Deleting messages and emptying the trash folder does not actually delete 
anything. It only removes them from view. You need to compact folders. 
I've been using TB for years, have countless folders and messages, and 
my %AppData%\Thunderbird folder is 59.5 Mb.
There is a threshold you can set to be prompted to compact folders in 
one of the menus, but it rarely seems to fire for me. So I've gotten 
into the habit of just doing it manually via the File menu every month 
or so when I perform other system cleanup tasks.
I have two email accounts, close the tree up to the top level of each, 
e.g. tom.kings...@charter.net (27) closed, Alt-F File, F Compact 
folders. Wait a bit and the status bar will display how much data was 
deleted.

Here's a link to Mozilla's article on compacting.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/compacting-folders#main-content
Hth,
Tom


On 5/23/2017 2:24 AM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Raul,

Thanks for your reply on saving the Thunderbird folder.  Unfortunately
Tbird saves a lot of old messages in the Profile folder which can go
back years even though the trash folder can be kept clear.

My Profile folder grew to around 6 gb  although theTools, erase
recent history option was used from time to time. While doing a scan
with a newly installed Bullguard, old messages from years in the past
were displayed on the screen as they were scanned.  These messages even
included those from an old email address which had been previously
removed from the system.

The fact that old messages, which I thought had been removed when
deleted, were still around came as quite a shock.

I used the Mozilla backup tool without saving emails but with address
settings and with a fresh install of Thunderbird, the new Profile folder
with three account settings came to under 20 mb.

The Tools, remove recent history option is used more frequently these
days but my Profile folder continues to grow.  It is currently around
140 mb and when it gets to around 150 mb, the process mentioned above
will be used again.

This is why I asked if there was a simple way of saving the account
settings in a similar way to saving the address book. It would make the
setting up of a new clean Profile folder easier.

Cheers
Neville.




On 23/05/2017 3:43 AM, Raul A. Gallegos via Talk wrote:

Neville, if you open the %appdata% folder, look for the Thunderbird
folder and save that. Please note the percent symbols around
%appdata%. I hope this helps.


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On 5/18/2017 11:19 PM, Neville via Talk wrote:

Hi Raul,

In a previous message, you mentioned a file in Thunderbird which
contains the address book but is there a file or folder which
contains all the account settings?  This would make a backup simple.

Thanks
Neville.


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Re: upgrading to windows 10

[Chris G via Talk]

No, it isn't.
That ended back in July if my memory serves me.



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 Original Message 
From: Linette Sukup via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:24 AM EST
To: Rod Hutton; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: upgrading to windows 10



Is it still free for those NOT using screen readers?

Peace.
Linette



On 5/22/2017 4:57 PM, Rod Hutton via Talk wrote:
Hi Noreen,

It's still available.

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Norene Trappa via Talk
Sent: May 22, 2017 5:14 PM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: upgrading to windows 10

Hello,

Some time ago there was a free version of windows 10 for us on this
list.  Is that still available at this time?  I am using windows 7 and
hope to get Jaws before the end of July.  Thanks!

Norene

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