Re: Mail Client
Larry, My TB enhancement app is running and seems not to cause any problems. On 12/26/2018 4:37 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > Bernie, > > > I just thought about disabling the TB enhancement script, or as they > now are called "apps," to see if that would make a difference. I am > going to shut down T-Bird for a while and see if that wont do the > trick, and if I can do as well without it ... Will shout it from the > rooftop if it does. > > > > > On 12/26/2018 3:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: >> Hi Larry, I also just checked the version of TB and like you I am >> running the 32-bit version. So, for now, don't think that is your >> problem. >> >> On 12/26/2018 4:02 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>> Well Bernie, what it does here is say inbox just fine when first >>> pressing the tab key, and if I'm lucky, it will let me tab down to the >>> contents, but soon after going there, things start to happen, (God >>> only knows what), and I have to wait from anywhere from three to five >>> minutes for things to settle down, then things are fine. >>> >>> >>> I'm not sure if I have the 32 bit version or 64, or if that would even >>> make a difference, but it really is a pain to have to keep it open >>> throughout the day, rather than going through all of that all over >>> again. >>> >>> >>> OK, that was easy. Just checked the about dialog box, and I'm >>> apparently running the 32 bit version. Maybe I'll have to look at >>> upgrading to see if that would make a difference. Hopefully wont make >>> things even worse. >>> >>> >>> Oh well. >>> >>> >>> Thanks much, >>> >>> >>> Larry >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/26/2018 1:17 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: >>> Hi Larry, I do not have any ad ons so I don't have any suggestion regarding whether it would make a difference if they are removed or not. One thing I have noticed when starting Thunder bird,is that it often doesn't speak when the program is loaded but it is really there. One way I can check this is after starting it, I wait for about three seconds and then press the tab key and it usualy responds by saying "in box. Sorry I can't help more. Bernie On 12/26/2018 1:36 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > Bernie, > > > Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. > Here, > it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down. > I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and > that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no > difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker > . > > > Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat, > newsgroups etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to > do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things > I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need > T-Bird > to read, write and send mail, nothing else. > > > Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears . > > > Thanks, > > > Larry > > > On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: >> Hi Larry, Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update >> Tbird >> to version 60. With the update installed, it is running fine on >> windows >> 1809 and the last version of WE. I have no problems either >> reading or >> composing messages. I have been reading messages on this list and >> have >> been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick >> and >> others. I believe the problem might be coming from the WE >> setfiles. I >> will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out. >> >> On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>> It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just >>> haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on >>> 1809? I >>> think I have those version numbers correct. Anyway no feature >>> update >>> yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a >>> newer >>> model, but I'm not certain about that either. >>> >>> >>> Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a component of the problem? On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid > I'll > wake > up with the same issue any day now. > > > Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. > > On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >> I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't >> read my
RE: Question About Android phone, Off Topic
Mr. Ringwald asked: "Anyone using an android phone"?" Yes sir. I live and breathe Android with plans to someday ditch Windows and its associated screen readers as soon as it becomes practicable. I like and love Android. It is absolutely important to come to Android with an open mind and a readiness to deal with some lerning curve. No real handholding with Android compared to other platforms. There's also no one size fits all in Android land: There are a variety of toys to choose from depending on how much each person is willing to pay for an Android toy. You can begin your investigation of Android by visiting this site: www.inclusiveandroid.com There's also a book written by Ms. Ana Garza and Mr. James Meddaugh available from the National Braille Press. You also wrote: "Is there an Android email list?" Yes, there are quite a number of mailing lists for and about Android. The best one is setup by Google; it is hardly ever moderated, but several developers are on it. There is constant interaction between the user community and Talkback developers. It can be a very high traffic list; far too often, folks comparing Ios to Android bring on the noise! However, if you can look beyond the noise machines, there are so many knowledgeable folks on the mailing list that are willing to help an Android novice. One great thing about Android is that you can use any number of TTS engines; amongst them, Eloquence, Vocalizer, Voxygen, Speak TTS, Acapela and the list goes on. Typically, the default TTS on an Android device is Google TTS, but you can change it to whatever you like. To subscribe to the mailing list, please send a blank message to: eyes-free+subscr...@googlegroups.com Please note that Braille support in Android is not all that arrow sharp at the moment. However, several Braille notetakers and displays are supported using BrailleBack. You do not need any extra software in order to connect your Android toy to the computer and interact with it. Your toy will show up as another drive and you can move files back and forth between your Windows and your Android toy just as you would do using a flash drive or an SD card. I hope the foregoing is reasonably helpful; if you have any additional questions, please post in this space. Much thanks! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Mail Client
Bernie, I just thought about disabling the TB enhancement script, or as they now are called "apps," to see if that would make a difference. I am going to shut down T-Bird for a while and see if that wont do the trick, and if I can do as well without it ... Will shout it from the rooftop if it does. On 12/26/2018 3:07 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: Hi Larry, I also just checked the version of TB and like you I am running the 32-bit version. So, for now, don't think that is your problem. On 12/26/2018 4:02 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Well Bernie, what it does here is say inbox just fine when first pressing the tab key, and if I'm lucky, it will let me tab down to the contents, but soon after going there, things start to happen, (God only knows what), and I have to wait from anywhere from three to five minutes for things to settle down, then things are fine. I'm not sure if I have the 32 bit version or 64, or if that would even make a difference, but it really is a pain to have to keep it open throughout the day, rather than going through all of that all over again. OK, that was easy. Just checked the about dialog box, and I'm apparently running the 32 bit version. Maybe I'll have to look at upgrading to see if that would make a difference. Hopefully wont make things even worse. Oh well. Thanks much, Larry On 12/26/2018 1:17 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: Hi Larry, I do not have any ad ons so I don't have any suggestion regarding whether it would make a difference if they are removed or not. One thing I have noticed when starting Thunder bird,is that it often doesn't speak when the program is loaded but it is really there. One way I can check this is after starting it, I wait for about three seconds and then press the tab key and it usualy responds by saying "in box. Sorry I can't help more. Bernie On 12/26/2018 1:36 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Bernie, Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. Here, it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down. I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker . Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat, newsgroups etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need T-Bird to read, write and send mail, nothing else. Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears . Thanks, Larry On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: Hi Larry, Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird to version 60. With the update installed, it is running fine on windows 1809 and the last version of WE. I have no problems either reading or composing messages. I have been reading messages on this list and have been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and others. I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles. I will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out. On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I think I have those version numbers correct. Anyway no feature update yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer model, but I'm not certain about that either. Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same . On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a component of the problem? On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll wake up with the same issue any day now. Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. Woah is I. On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote: Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it does give no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: No Cursor Found. I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are deleted. But any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have tried the Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help there either. Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still running under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while. David On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk
Re: Mail Client
Hi Larry, I also just checked the version of TB and like you I am running the 32-bit version. So, for now, don't think that is your problem. On 12/26/2018 4:02 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > Well Bernie, what it does here is say inbox just fine when first > pressing the tab key, and if I'm lucky, it will let me tab down to the > contents, but soon after going there, things start to happen, (God > only knows what), and I have to wait from anywhere from three to five > minutes for things to settle down, then things are fine. > > > I'm not sure if I have the 32 bit version or 64, or if that would even > make a difference, but it really is a pain to have to keep it open > throughout the day, rather than going through all of that all over again. > > > OK, that was easy. Just checked the about dialog box, and I'm > apparently running the 32 bit version. Maybe I'll have to look at > upgrading to see if that would make a difference. Hopefully wont make > things even worse. > > > Oh well. > > > Thanks much, > > > Larry > > > > On 12/26/2018 1:17 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: > >> Hi Larry, I do not have any ad ons so I don't have any suggestion >> regarding whether it would make a difference if they are removed or >> not. One thing I have noticed when starting Thunder bird,is that it >> often doesn't speak when the program is loaded but it is really there. >> One way I can check this is after starting it, I wait for about three >> seconds and then press the tab key and it usualy responds by saying "in >> box. Sorry I can't help more. Bernie >> >> On 12/26/2018 1:36 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>> Bernie, >>> >>> >>> Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. Here, >>> it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down. >>> I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and >>> that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no >>> difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker . >>> >>> >>> Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat, >>> newsgroups etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to >>> do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things >>> I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need T-Bird >>> to read, write and send mail, nothing else. >>> >>> >>> Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears . >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Larry >>> >>> >>> On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: Hi Larry, Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird to version 60. With the update installed, it is running fine on windows 1809 and the last version of WE. I have no problems either reading or composing messages. I have been reading messages on this list and have been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and others. I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles. I will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out. On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just > haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I > think I have those version numbers correct. Anyway no feature update > yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer > model, but I'm not certain about that either. > > > Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same . > > > > > On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >> I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a >> component of the problem? >> >> On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>> I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll >>> wake >>> up with the same issue any day now. >>> >>> >>> Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. >>> >>> On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. Woah is I. On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote: > Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it > does give > no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: > > No Cursor Found. > > > I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i > Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are > deleted. But > any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - > yields no > speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have > tried the > Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help
Re: Mail Client
Well Bernie, what it does here is say inbox just fine when first pressing the tab key, and if I'm lucky, it will let me tab down to the contents, but soon after going there, things start to happen, (God only knows what), and I have to wait from anywhere from three to five minutes for things to settle down, then things are fine. I'm not sure if I have the 32 bit version or 64, or if that would even make a difference, but it really is a pain to have to keep it open throughout the day, rather than going through all of that all over again. OK, that was easy. Just checked the about dialog box, and I'm apparently running the 32 bit version. Maybe I'll have to look at upgrading to see if that would make a difference. Hopefully wont make things even worse. Oh well. Thanks much, Larry On 12/26/2018 1:17 PM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: Hi Larry, I do not have any ad ons so I don't have any suggestion regarding whether it would make a difference if they are removed or not. One thing I have noticed when starting Thunder bird,is that it often doesn't speak when the program is loaded but it is really there. One way I can check this is after starting it, I wait for about three seconds and then press the tab key and it usualy responds by saying "in box. Sorry I can't help more. Bernie On 12/26/2018 1:36 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Bernie, Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. Here, it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down. I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker . Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat, newsgroups etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need T-Bird to read, write and send mail, nothing else. Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears . Thanks, Larry On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: Hi Larry, Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird to version 60. With the update installed, it is running fine on windows 1809 and the last version of WE. I have no problems either reading or composing messages. I have been reading messages on this list and have been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and others. I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles. I will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out. On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I think I have those version numbers correct. Anyway no feature update yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer model, but I'm not certain about that either. Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same . On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a component of the problem? On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll wake up with the same issue any day now. Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. Woah is I. On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote: Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it does give no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: No Cursor Found. I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are deleted. But any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have tried the Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help there either. Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still running under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while. David On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes Window-Eyes search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system cursor" or "no cursor found." Regards, Tom On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird contains spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell check, but who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I won't know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is where I left it. On 12/20/2018 9:38
Re: Question About Android phone, Off Topic
Hi Bob, Yes, I am using an Android phone and because I got fed up with high cellular phone bills, I switched to the Google Fi cellular network. As far as the phone goes, I was surprised how easy it was to learn how to use the built-in screen reader called Talkback. In fact, when the annoouncement about the death of WE came out, I gave considerable thought about what I should do. I considered switching to the other screenreader but discounted that path because I think that in the not too distant future technology will bring to an end such screenreradrs. So, that left me where so many of us have wanted to be, finding and acceptable screenreader that is supported by the operating system creator. There are three choices: MS narrator, Apple Voiceover,and Android Talkback. I played around with voiceover but I was unahappy about the fact that I would have to have an Iphone and yoou know how expensive they have become. So, that left Android and there are many phones in all price ranges that you can use. I bought a very inexpensive Android Tablet with the goal in mind of learning how to use Talkback. I felt that if using the touch screen was to difficult, I would eat the $100 cost and consider it just an experiment. But, I was surprised that I quickly learned how to use the tablet with the keyboard first and then detaching it so as to use the touch screen. Actually, Before buying the tablet,I needed a new cell phone so after reading about Google Fi, I decided to try it since no contract was involved. I bought from Google the Nexus 5 and I have never looked back. I coud go on but probably by now you have had enough. But, if you have any other questions, let me know. Bernie On 12/26/2018 2:32 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: > Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it? > > Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is > off-topic. > > -Bob Ringwald > r...@ringwald.com > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ___ > Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. > > For membership options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/bernie.perella%40outlook.com. > For subscription options, visit > http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com > List archives can be found at > http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Question About Android phone, Off Topic
Anyone using an android phone"? If so, how do you like it? Is there an Android email list? Please reply off-list as this is off-topic. -Bob Ringwald r...@ringwald.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: Mail Client
Hi Larry, I do not have any ad ons so I don't have any suggestion regarding whether it would make a difference if they are removed or not. One thing I have noticed when starting Thunder bird,is that it often doesn't speak when the program is loaded but it is really there. One way I can check this is after starting it, I wait for about three seconds and then press the tab key and it usualy responds by saying "in box. Sorry I can't help more. Bernie On 12/26/2018 1:36 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > Bernie, > > > Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. Here, > it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down. > I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and > that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no > difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker . > > > Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat, > newsgroups etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to > do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things > I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need T-Bird > to read, write and send mail, nothing else. > > > Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears . > > > Thanks, > > > Larry > > > On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: >> Hi Larry, Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird >> to version 60. With the update installed, it is running fine on windows >> 1809 and the last version of WE. I have no problems either reading or >> composing messages. I have been reading messages on this list and have >> been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and >> others. I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles. I >> will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out. >> >> On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>> It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just >>> haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I >>> think I have those version numbers correct. Anyway no feature update >>> yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer >>> model, but I'm not certain about that either. >>> >>> >>> Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same . >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a component of the problem? On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll > wake > up with the same issue any day now. > > > Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. > > On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >> I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't >> read my >> saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. >> Woah >> is I. >> >> On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote: >>> Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it >>> does give >>> no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: >>> >>> No Cursor Found. >>> >>> >>> I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i >>> Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are >>> deleted. But >>> any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - >>> yields no >>> speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have >>> tried the >>> Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help >>> there >>> either. >>> >>> >>> Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest >>> Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still >>> running >>> under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while. >>> >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes Window-Eyes search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system cursor" or "no cursor found." Regards, Tom On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: > Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird > contains > spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell > check, but > who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I > won't > know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is > where I > left it. > > On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: >> Nick, >> >> I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing >> has >> been >> happening to me. It didn't used to do
Re: Mail Client
Bernie, Just wondering if you have any issues when starting Thunderbird. Here, it takes an eternity to go through its paces and finally settle down. I have been advised to remove all add-ons, but I only have one, and that is spellcheck, which I had removed at one time, but no difference. I couldn't do email if I didn't have spellchecker . Maybe if I could remove all of the other features like chat, newsgroups etc that might help, but I really can't figure out how to do that, or even if it is possible. But there are sure lots of things I'm sure I could do without, can't remember them all. Only need T-Bird to read, write and send mail, nothing else. Do you have any ideas? If so, I'm all ears . Thanks, Larry On 12/26/2018 10:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: Hi Larry, Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird to version 60. With the update installed, it is running fine on windows 1809 and the last version of WE. I have no problems either reading or composing messages. I have been reading messages on this list and have been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and others. I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles. I will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out. On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I think I have those version numbers correct. Anyway no feature update yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer model, but I'm not certain about that either. Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same . On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a component of the problem? On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll wake up with the same issue any day now. Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. Woah is I. On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote: Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it does give no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: No Cursor Found. I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are deleted. But any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have tried the Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help there either. Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still running under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while. David On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes Window-Eyes search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system cursor" or "no cursor found." Regards, Tom On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird contains spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell check, but who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I won't know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is where I left it. On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: Nick, I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing has been happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started happening all of a sudden for no apparent reason. If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am writing. after that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what I am writing. I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what I am writing. But again, only the first email. Then have to close and re-open WLM again. -Bob -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Nick Sarames Subject: Re: Mail Client If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are welcome to e-mail me privately: nicksara...@msn.com When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have just written. On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, but I must at least say this. My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either permission or encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and prayed that my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or divine intervention, it continued to function as it should. One thing that really annoys me is that every time I go to open up the
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Thanks Bernie (looking forward to your observations) - sure seems like Windows may be part of the issue, regardless of how little that makes sense to me. But I've come to learn, when you have lots of software, things happen. On 12/26/2018 11:43 AM, Bernie Perella via Talk wrote: > Hi Larry, Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird > to version 60. With the update installed, it is running fine on windows > 1809 and the last version of WE. I have no problems either reading or > composing messages. I have been reading messages on this list and have > been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and > others. I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles. I > will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out. > > On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >> It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just >> haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I >> think I have those version numbers correct. Anyway no feature update >> yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer >> model, but I'm not certain about that either. >> >> >> Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same . >> >> >> >> >> On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >>> I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a >>> component of the problem? >>> >>> On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll wake up with the same issue any day now. Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: > I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my > saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. > Woah > is I. > > On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote: >> Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it >> does give >> no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: >> >> No Cursor Found. >> >> >> I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i >> Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are >> deleted. But >> any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no >> speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have >> tried the >> Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help >> there >> either. >> >> >> Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest >> Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still >> running >> under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while. >> >> >> >> David >> >> On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >>> Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes >>> Window-Eyes >>> search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system >>> cursor" >>> or "no cursor found." >>> Regards, >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird contains spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell check, but who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I won't know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is where I left it. On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: > Nick, > > I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing > has > been > happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started happening > all of > a sudden for no apparent reason. > > If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am writing. > after > that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what I am > writing. > > I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what I am > writing. > But again, only the first email. Then have to close and re-open > WLM > again. > > -Bob > > > -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Cc: Nick Sarames > Subject: Re: Mail Client > > If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are > welcome to > e-mail me privately: > > nicksara...@msn.com > > When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have > just > written. > > On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >> I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately
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Hi Larry, Just this morning with reluctance, I decided to update Tbird to version 60. With the update installed, it is running fine on windows 1809 and the last version of WE. I have no problems either reading or composing messages. I have been reading messages on this list and have been trying to figure out what might be causing problems for Nick and others. I believe the problem might be coming from the WE setfiles. I will write to Nick to see if we can figure things out. On 12/21/2018 8:20 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > It may be Nick that since I am still on 1803 that the problems just > haven't had an opportunity to present themselves. Are you on 1809? I > think I have those version numbers correct. Anyway no feature update > yet, most likely because I need to update my HD video card to a newer > model, but I'm not certain about that either. > > > Sure hope your situation improves, and mine stays the same . > > > > > On 12/21/2018 6:57 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >> I always assumed it was a WE issue only, but maybe Windows is a >> component of the problem? >> >> On 12/21/2018 2:03 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: >>> I sure wish I knew just what I'm doing right. I'm just afraid I'll >>> wake >>> up with the same issue any day now. >>> >>> >>> Using Windows 10 and the final version of WE. >>> >>> On 12/21/2018 12:33 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: I'm using Windows-8 and have exactly the same issues. I can't read my saved drafts either. As you would expect, I can read sent messages. Woah is I. On 12/21/2018 8:16 AM, David via Talk wrote: > Nice try, but in Thunderbird, even when writing this reply, it > does give > no result. That is, Ctrl-Insert-C, tells me: > > No Cursor Found. > > > I can write the message, and the speech will echo my typing. If i > Backspace, I can hear one character at a time, as they are > deleted. But > any use of the Arrows, or things like Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-End - yields no > speech at all. That is even if the cursor actually moves. Have > tried the > Ctrl-S, for saving the message - like someone suggested. No help > there > either. > > > Strange why some reports they have no trouble with the newest > Thunderbird. Unless it has to do with the fact that I am still > running > under Win7, and likely will be for yet a while. > > > > David > > On 12/21/2018 1:34 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: >> Another thing you can try is Control+Insert+C. This makes >> Window-Eyes >> search for the cursor. It will usually say either "uses system >> cursor" >> or "no cursor found." >> Regards, >> Tom >> >> >> On 12/21/2018 4:19 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: >>> Thanks Bob, yeah, similar issues - fortunately my Thunderbird >>> contains >>> spell check (I thinkit's Thunderbird which provides the spell >>> check, but >>> who knows). What stinks is, if I leave the composing window, I >>> won't >>> know where I am in the e-mail. I have to assume the cursor is >>> where I >>> left it. >>> >>> On 12/20/2018 9:38 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote: Nick, I am using windows 10, win-eyes 9.5.4., and WLM. The same thing has been happening to me. It didn't used to do this. It started happening all of a sudden for no apparent reason. If I bring up WLM, I can write an email and see what I am writing. after that, while writing the 2nd email, I can't see or hear what I am writing. I have to close WLM and thenn open it. Then I can see what I am writing. But again, only the first email. Then have to close and re-open WLM again. -Bob -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:44 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Nick Sarames Subject: Re: Mail Client If anyone has a solution to the arrow problem I have, you are welcome to e-mail me privately: nicksara...@msn.com When I am composing a message, I am unable to read what I have just written. On 12/20/2018 9:01 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: > I'm not sure just how much I've ultimately got to add here, but I > must > at least say this. > > > My version of Thunderbird updated on me without either > permission or > encouragement. Naturally I did a double-take and hoped and prayed > that > my ability to edit would continue, and with my good luck or > divine > intervention, it continued to
