New to the list, saying hello

[Jane Carona via Talk]

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.

 

I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?

 

Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com  

 

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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[john schwery via Talk]

Jane, I'm still using WE with Win 7.  I don't have the latest version.

At 06:08 AM 2/20/2021, Jane Carona via Talk, wrote:

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com 



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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[BK via Talk]

Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of WE
that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win
10. That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Jane, you'd probably need Version 9.5.4!  Like you, I MISS WINDOW-EYES
beyond words.  Jaws and its awkward keystroke combinations send shivers over
and above my spines, yet it remains the ONLY DOMINANT GAME in town; sounds
like it is backed by some interesting politicians who are good at the game
of punch, punch and punch some more.

You did say in your post that Doug added you to the list; hmm, could you be
referring to Doug Geoffray?  Is it possible that he's still lurking around
and just listening to us as often as he could?  

Window-Eyes, from its grave, continues to play ball well with Windows10
despite what a few pundits say.  I have not migrated to Windows10 yet; what
I have set up is working for me and I choose to LEAVE WELL alone.  I am a
lot busier TINKERING WITH APPS in Androidville such that the thought of
CROSSING THE REDMOND BRIDGE is just not there for now.  Anyhow, I'll keep on
running and let others set the records a bit more straighter than I may have
done.  Good luck and all the very best!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Jane Carona via Talk]

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: BK 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello


Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of WE
that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 10.
That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Jane Carona via Talk]

Yes, it's Doug Geoffray who added me to the list, and I was so pleased to
get a message from him yesterday.  Both he and Jeremy Curry now work for
Microsoft.  


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:40 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Jane, you'd probably need Version 9.5.4!  Like you, I MISS WINDOW-EYES
beyond words.  Jaws and its awkward keystroke combinations send shivers over
and above my spines, yet it remains the ONLY DOMINANT GAME in town; sounds
like it is backed by some interesting politicians who are good at the game
of punch, punch and punch some more.

You did say in your post that Doug added you to the list; hmm, could you be
referring to Doug Geoffray?  Is it possible that he's still lurking around
and just listening to us as often as he could?  

Window-Eyes, from its grave, continues to play ball well with Windows10
despite what a few pundits say.  I have not migrated to Windows10 yet; what
I have set up is working for me and I choose to LEAVE WELL alone.  I am a
lot busier TINKERING WITH APPS in Androidville such that the thought of
CROSSING THE REDMOND BRIDGE is just not there for now.  Anyhow, I'll keep on
running and let others set the records a bit more straighter than I may have
done.  Good luck and all the very best!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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JAWS Key Commands

[Richard Petty via Talk]

All,

I too miss We terribly. So many things worked so well about WE and so many
keystrokes and settings were well planned and well organized. There was a
nice logic to commands the WE team developed and maintained over time. We
was (and can still be) an outstanding program--three years beyond
production.

I'm gratified to learn Doug Geoffray and Jeremy Curry are still connected
through affiliation with Microsoft. Their thoughtful leadership in access
continues to be needed--and I hope and trust this means they have both done
well past GW Micro and Ai Squared.

All that being written, I have found using the JAWS laptop keyboard layout
more comfortable--even on a full keyboard. This arrangement offers an added
JAWS command key. With that addition and other laptop key combinations, it's
possible for the user to issue more commands without having to move too
terribly far from home row keys. That's made a big difference for me. Also,
I've found FS leaders such as Jeff Bezos to be responsive and most helpful.

By the way, to improve my efficiency, I've taken this one step further: I've
remapped my keyboard.
* The Left Control Key is to the immediate left of the A Key.
* To accommodate this change, I moved the CapsLock key to the left of the
Spacebar
.* The LeftAlt key is now at the lower left of the keyboard where the Left
Control key previously was located.

Decades ago, Microsoft did locate the Left Control key to the left of the A
key, but inexplicably changed the configuration. As much as this key is used
for navigation, I found it worthwhile to make the change. Key placements are
now like those on the keyboards I first used with  computers. To make this
change, I used the SharpKey utility developed by Randy Rantz. SharpKeys is a
utility that changes the Windows Registry to make specified keys to "act
like other keys" If you try it, be sure to make a backup of the Windows
registry. Be very cautious and pay close attention as you work with the
utility. It's not necessarily intuitive. Again, make a backup before
changing the registry.

Hope this helps.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:40 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Jane, you'd probably need Version 9.5.4!  Like you, I MISS WINDOW-EYES
beyond words.  Jaws and its awkward keystroke combinations send shivers over
and above my spines, yet it remains the ONLY DOMINANT GAME in town; sounds
like it is backed by some interesting politicians who are good at the game
of punch, punch and punch some more.

You did say in your post that Doug added you to the list; hmm, could you be
referring to Doug Geoffray?  Is it possible that he's still lurking around
and just listening to us as often as he could?  

Window-Eyes, from its grave, continues to play ball well with Windows10
despite what a few pundits say.  I have not migrated to Windows10 yet; what
I have set up is working for me and I choose to LEAVE WELL alone.  I am a
lot busier TINKERING WITH APPS in Androidville such that the thought of
CROSSING THE REDMOND BRIDGE is just not there for now.  Anyhow, I'll keep on
running and let others set the records a bit more straighter than I may have
done.  Good luck and all the very best!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 

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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Sky Taylor Mundell via Talk]

Hello. As for JAWS being the only game in town, That might be the case for 
workplaces, but NVDA is now a viable option and Narrator is coming along very 
well as well. I do miss Window-Eyes and wished Doug and gan could have been 
able to better promote the product so they could have beaten JAWS.

> On Feb 20, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via 
> Talk  wrote:
> 
> Jane, you'd probably need Version 9.5.4!  Like you, I MISS WINDOW-EYES
> beyond words.  Jaws and its awkward keystroke combinations send shivers over
> and above my spines, yet it remains the ONLY DOMINANT GAME in town; sounds
> like it is backed by some interesting politicians who are good at the game
> of punch, punch and punch some more.
> 
> You did say in your post that Doug added you to the list; hmm, could you be
> referring to Doug Geoffray?  Is it possible that he's still lurking around
> and just listening to us as often as he could?  
> 
> Window-Eyes, from its grave, continues to play ball well with Windows10
> despite what a few pundits say.  I have not migrated to Windows10 yet; what
> I have set up is working for me and I choose to LEAVE WELL alone.  I am a
> lot busier TINKERING WITH APPS in Androidville such that the thought of
> CROSSING THE REDMOND BRIDGE is just not there for now.  Anyhow, I'll keep on
> running and let others set the records a bit more straighter than I may have
> done.  Good luck and all the very best!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado 
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Brenda via Talk]

Hi Jane,
This is Brenda with Ortiz from the February 2018 Seeing Eye class. I didn’t 
realize you were a Window Eyes user, we could’ve talked about a great screen 
reader in class had I known.

I finally upgraded to windows 10 when we moved to Tennessee. I got a deal on 
jaws because I had some W-ESMA’s left. Between a laptop, windows 10 and jaws I 
never did get very good at computers again. actually, when I’m on the laptop I 
use narrator but mostly I use my iPhone.

Hope you and sailor are doing well.

Brenda
Dictated and sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 20, 2021, at 5:17 AM, Jane Carona via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
> who's here and to say hello.
> 
> 
> 
> I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
> and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
> Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
> reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
> know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
> Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?
> 
> 
> 
> Jane Carona
> 
> jane.e.car...@gmail.com  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: OT about Ipad email list

[David Hoff Jr via Talk]

I have not seen a reply to your request yet, So I will try.

There is a web site call AppleVis.com which list a lot of apps which
work well with the iPad. I might have spelled the web site wrong, but a
google search will help you find it.

You will probably initially need help the first time you turn it on. 
You have to establish some user information and when I set mine up my
wife did that for me since voice over wasn't initially available at the
first startup, which my wife also did for me. But once that is done, you
can use voice over to do most everything else.

If you like listening to books, look into the app named 'Voice Dream
Reader'. It is probably the best one available. Bookshare and Guttenberg
books and many others are easily accessible through 'Voice Dream Reader'. For
news and many magazines look into 'NFBNewsLine, registration help is
easy through the NLS Library if you are a member. Also NLS Library has
an app to download and listen to books.

If you are a Bible reader there are many Bible programs which work
fairly well. Also many music apps for many types of music. as well as
internet radio stations which are available for free.

I still prefer my laptop for browsing the internet. Safari, the Apple
browser, does not work well for me. Word Processing and spreadsheets
still work better for me on the laptop. The iPad on screen keyboard
works but is very tedious for low vision users.

If you have other questions just ask and I will help if possible.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to 
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't 
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't 
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it 
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Jane Carona via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com 



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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Brenda via Talk]

Hi Jane,
This is Brenda with Ortiz from the February 2018 Seeing Eye class. I didn’t 
realize you were a Window Eyes user, we could’ve talked about a great screen 
reader in class had I known.

I finally upgraded to windows 10 when we moved to Tennessee. I got a deal on 
jaws because I had some W-ESMA’s left. Between a laptop, windows 10 and jaws I 
never did get very good at computers again. actually, when I’m on the laptop I 
use narrator but mostly I use my iPhone.

Hope you and sailor are doing well.

Brenda
Dictated and sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 20, 2021, at 5:17 AM, Jane Carona via Talk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
> who's here and to say hello.
> 
> 
> 
> I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
> and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
> Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
> reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
> know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
> Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?
> 
> 
> 
> Jane Carona
> 
> jane.e.car...@gmail.com  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

I got the free jaws from window eyes, but it was a dud!  It wouldn't hold my 
settings, then when I went to reset them again, it wouldn't let me.  So, I 
just never put it in this laptop.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Brenda via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 12:42 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Cc: Brenda
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Jane,
This is Brenda with Ortiz from the February 2018 Seeing Eye class. I didn’t 
realize you were a Window Eyes user, we could’ve talked about a great screen 
reader in class had I known.


I finally upgraded to windows 10 when we moved to Tennessee. I got a deal on 
jaws because I had some W-ESMA’s left. Between a laptop, windows 10 and jaws 
I never did get very good at computers again. actually, when I’m on the 
laptop I use narrator but mostly I use my iPhone.


Hope you and sailor are doing well.

Brenda
Dictated and sent from my iPhone

On Feb 20, 2021, at 5:17 AM, Jane Carona via Talk 
 wrote:


Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to 
see

who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had 
Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still 
hate

Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com 



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Re: OT about Ipad email list

[John Covici via Talk]

When I get a new iphone, voiceover starts from the beginning, or at
worst click the power button 3 times, if  there is a home button click
that 3 times instead.

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:44:43 -0500,
David Hoff Jr via Talk wrote:
> 
> I have not seen a reply to your request yet, So I will try.
> 
> There is a web site call AppleVis.com which list a lot of apps which
> work well with the iPad. I might have spelled the web site wrong, but a
> google search will help you find it.
> 
> You will probably initially need help the first time you turn it on. 
> You have to establish some user information and when I set mine up my
> wife did that for me since voice over wasn't initially available at the
> first startup, which my wife also did for me. But once that is done, you
> can use voice over to do most everything else.
> 
> If you like listening to books, look into the app named 'Voice Dream
> Reader'. It is probably the best one available. Bookshare and Guttenberg
> books and many others are easily accessible through 'Voice Dream Reader'. For
> news and many magazines look into 'NFBNewsLine, registration help is
> easy through the NLS Library if you are a member. Also NLS Library has
> an app to download and listen to books.
> 
> If you are a Bible reader there are many Bible programs which work
> fairly well. Also many music apps for many types of music. as well as
> internet radio stations which are available for free.
> 
> I still prefer my laptop for browsing the internet. Safari, the Apple
> browser, does not work well for me. Word Processing and spreadsheets
> still work better for me on the laptop. The iPad on screen keyboard
> works but is very tedious for low vision users.
> 
> If you have other questions just ask and I will help if possible.
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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

Get on the window eyes list, and ask if there is somebody who will send you 
9.4, while you are at it.  That's what I did.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Jane Carona via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:55 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: BK 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello


Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of WE
that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 10.
That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Richard Petty via Talk]

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com 



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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I still use window-eyes most of the time.  I find on some internet 
73

Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


pages, n v d a works better.  I won't use jaws.  On Sat, 20 Feb 2021, Jane 
Carona via Talk wrote:



Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com 



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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Brendan via Talk]

Hi Richard,

I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten, 
can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.

Take Care
Brendan


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk

Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com 



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Re: New to the list, saying hello

[Bernie Perella via Talk]

Hi Jane,  I also had used WE since about the mid 90's. Back then, I 
resisted making upgrades to my system and usually didn't upgrade WE 
immediately after a new release was issued.  But, about ten years ago, I 
realized this was not a good strategy.  AT the time I was using both WE 
and IE.  But, as I would frowse the net, more and more sites indicated 
that I needed to upgrade my browser. Finally I gave in and decided to 
switch to Chrome because at that time WE did not work at all with MS 
Edge.  Generally, I have been satisfied with Chrome but is it perfect, 
no.  When Windows ten came out, I did upgrade and then I decided to 
switch to a copy of WE for office.  Again, I found this generally good.  
I will admit that I don't use much of office and I wish I had a better 
understanding of it.  However, I manage to get along with what I have to 
do.


As far as your situation, if you have windows 10 and want to use WE for 
office, you should get a copy of WE 9.5.4.  Some time ago, I think it 
was Rod Hutton who posted a dropbox link to the 9.5.4 file.  I have been 
searching my old email messages to see if I can find the link.  I 
actually have the file on my Win 10 machine but will have to figure out 
how to send it.  I am not sure at this time.


One more thing.  I have been allowing my system to update windows as we 
go and am still able to use WE for many things.  Hope this helps.  Bernie.


On 2/20/2021 9:55 AM, Jane Carona via Talk wrote:

Oh darn,  wish I could get 9.2.  Thanks for letting me know.


-Original Message-
From: Talk  On
Behalf Of BK via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 9:04 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: BK 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello


Jane, if I remember correctly, wineyes 9.2 is the earliest version of WE
that works with windows 10. Wineyes 9.1 and below does not work with win 10.
That's why I too had to make the move to jaws.

Butch K.
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Testing my options update

[Brenda via Talk]

Hello list,
I am just testing to see if my options updated because when I sent an earlier 
message it did not post to the list or I just didn’t get notification of it. 

Jane, I’m glad to see you still can communicate with Doug, not sure how you did 
that. it did occur to me that with him and Jeremy at Microsoft even if they 
aren’t directly working with narrator I suspect they are giving input. 

Glad to hear I’m not the only one having difficulty with windows 10 with jaws. 
I would love to see more people go to narrator especially if window eyes gets 
weaker. actually narrator reminds me of window eyes.

Brenda
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Test 2

[Brenda via Talk]

Hi list,
For some reason when I send something to the list it doesn’t show up even after 
changing my options on the window eyes list page. this time I am trying to 
retype the address manually.

I know Jane got my reply because I included her in the CC, but if I send just 
to the list without that no one will know that I replied unless you are getting 
it and it just doesn’t show up for me despite changing my options.

Unless it just takes a while for things to process, but I would find that 
surprising.

Brenda

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RE: Read Only

[Richard Petty via Talk]

Deborah,

I believe you had written with other questions, yet your message arrived
with the weather emergency and power crisis in our part of the country. I
skimmed the message and left it for a later response just as we were leaving
our home to go somewhere where there was heat. The emergency is resolving,
but Now, regrettably, I cannot locate the message. If you will send the
message again, I will do my best to respond. Please accept my apologies for
my delay.

Richard

Richard Petty
He, Him, His
richard.pe...@earthlink.net



-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Debra Hill via Talk
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 9:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Debra Hill 
Subject: Read Only

Hi,

 

It seems my MS Word documents have been made into read only.  Can someone
tell me how to change this so I can read the document?  I am using Windows
10 with WE 9.54 and MS Office 2013.  

 

Thanks much!

Be blessed!

 

Deborah 

c

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RE: Test 2

[Richard Petty via Talk]

This message landed in the list. They're getting out to the list.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:09 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Brenda 
Subject: Test 2

Hi list,
For some reason when I send something to the list it doesn’t show up even after 
changing my options on the window eyes list page. this time I am trying to 
retype the address manually.

I know Jane got my reply because I included her in the CC, but if I send just 
to the list without that no one will know that I replied unless you are getting 
it and it just doesn’t show up for me despite changing my options.

Unless it just takes a while for things to process, but I would find that 
surprising.

Brenda

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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Richard Petty via Talk]

I'm afraid I don't have a good answer. Windows 10 came with a new computer.
I had used Windows 7 for so long on the previous computer, I just decided to
do everything all at once--to get a new computer with Windows 10 and Load
Microsoft Office. I expect you will find copies of Windows 10 on Amazon. It
is a good place to check the price, although I always recommend buying
software very carefully on Amazon. Reading the reviews shows many have bad
experiences.

You could call Microsoft Sales at 877-696-7786 and surely they will give you
a price over the phone.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brendan via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Brendan 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Richard,

I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten,
can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.
Take Care
Brendan


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it still work?



Jane Carona

jane.e.car...@gmail.com 



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RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Steve Jacobson via Talk]

I would also suggest calling Microsoft's Disability Answer Desk at 800-936-5900 
And ask how best to upgrade.  There have been some special upgrade prices for 
people using screen readers.  Although some have expired, there is always a 
chance that some could still be in effect.

You also have to consider your hardware.  I had a parallel port card that would 
not work under Windows 10 and even kept it from loading.  I think the upgrade 
is worth it, and mostly it will go smoothly, but set aside a day or even a 
weekend to do it.  If it only takes a couple of hours, then you have time to 
party.  Sometimes screen readers have to be re-installed.  If you are using 
Window-Eyes, be sure you have a copy you can install from a CD or a disk image. 
 You will be able to run Windows Narrator for most of the upgrade.  Also make 
sure you have software that you use a lot in a form that it can be 
re-installed.  The upgrade process does move a lot of software, but it isn't 
perfect.  Some hardware, Scanners and Printers particularly, will not have 
drivers under Windows 10, but this is pretty rare.

I am not trying to talk you out of this because I think it is worth upgrading.  
However, your upgrade will go better if you are prepared for any difficulties 
ahead of time.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:09 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Richard Petty 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

I'm afraid I don't have a good answer. Windows 10 came with a new computer.
I had used Windows 7 for so long on the previous computer, I just decided to
do everything all at once--to get a new computer with Windows 10 and Load
Microsoft Office. I expect you will find copies of Windows 10 on Amazon. It
is a good place to check the price, although I always recommend buying
software very carefully on Amazon. Reading the reviews shows many have bad
experiences.

You could call Microsoft Sales at 877-696-7786 and surely they will give you
a price over the phone.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brendan via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Brendan 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Richard,

I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten,
can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.
Take Care
Brendan


-Original Message- 
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New to the list, saying hello

Hi everyone,

Doug just added me to this list, so I'm sticking my toe in the water to see
who's here and to say hello.



I was a very happy GW Micro customer, from way back when we had Vocal-Eyes,
and was dragged kicking and screaming into the world of jaws.  I still hate
Jaws, and have never really come to terms with it.  I'm thinking of
reinstalling Window-Eyes, but the last version I have is 9.0, and I don't
know how well it works with Windows 10 and Office 365.  Anyone still using
Window-Eyes on a daily basis, and how well does it stil

RE: New to the list, saying hello

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

I upgraded a couple computers a couple years ago, and did not tell 
window-eyes not to run.  It locked up the saystem and I had to start 
fvrom scratch losing everything on that system.  The next time, I think 
I either uninstalled window-eyes or told it not to run at startup, not 
sure.  Anyhow, that one worked as expected.  I have a lot of stuff that 
won't run under ten, so run seven 32 bit system which will much of my 
older stuff such as my old pc braille program.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 21 Feb 2021, Steve 
Jacobson via Talk wrote:



I would also suggest calling Microsoft's Disability Answer Desk at 800-936-5900 
And ask how best to upgrade.  There have been some special upgrade prices for 
people using screen readers.  Although some have expired, there is always a 
chance that some could still be in effect.

You also have to consider your hardware.  I had a parallel port card that would 
not work under Windows 10 and even kept it from loading.  I think the upgrade 
is worth it, and mostly it will go smoothly, but set aside a day or even a 
weekend to do it.  If it only takes a couple of hours, then you have time to 
party.  Sometimes screen readers have to be re-installed.  If you are using 
Window-Eyes, be sure you have a copy you can install from a CD or a disk image. 
 You will be able to run Windows Narrator for most of the upgrade.  Also make 
sure you have software that you use a lot in a form that it can be 
re-installed.  The upgrade process does move a lot of software, but it isn't 
perfect.  Some hardware, Scanners and Printers particularly, will not have 
drivers under Windows 10, but this is pretty rare.

I am not trying to talk you out of this because I think it is worth upgrading.  
However, your upgrade will go better if you are prepared for any difficulties 
ahead of time.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-Original Message-
From: Talk  On 
Behalf Of Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:09 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
Cc: Richard Petty 
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

I'm afraid I don't have a good answer. Windows 10 came with a new computer.
I had used Windows 7 for so long on the previous computer, I just decided to
do everything all at once--to get a new computer with Windows 10 and Load
Microsoft Office. I expect you will find copies of Windows 10 on Amazon. It
is a good place to check the price, although I always recommend buying
software very carefully on Amazon. Reading the reviews shows many have bad
experiences.

You could call Microsoft Sales at 877-696-7786 and surely they will give you
a price over the phone.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brendan via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 2:49 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Brendan 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi Richard,

I am currently using Window's7 but seriously thinking of upgrading to ten,
can you tell us how much it costs to upgrade.
Take Care
Brendan


-Original Message-
From: Richard Petty via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:30 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Cc: Richard Petty
Subject: RE: New to the list, saying hello

Sadly, we will find it more and more important to upgrade to Windows 10. I
did after I attempted to secure support from the Microsoft Disability Answer
Desk about a problem with Microsoft Office and Windows 7. I was told that
they could not assist me because Microsoft no longer supported Windows 7. I
did upgrade to Windows 10 in December. It has been a difficult transition,
but useful because there are still times when I need Microsoft tech support.
I can at least receive that support now.

By the way, I have been told that Window-Eyes will continue to work well
with Microsoft Office versions up to Office 2013. I was told that Microsoft
changes to the spell check function are a problem using WE. I am using
Office 2013 and it's working well. I have not verified that WE doesn't work
well with Microsoft 365, the new Microsoft Office. Again, that's what I was
told, although from a knowledgable source.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.petty=earthlink@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 11:55 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Cc: Pamela Dominguez 
Subject: Re: New to the list, saying hello

Hi!  I hate jaws, too!  I am still using window eyes.  I got somebody to
send me up to the last version, since the last disk I had was 9.0.  I don't
have windows ten, but I have some problems with things, lately.  I don't
know if it is my computer, or window eyes, or the browsers.  Mostly, it
works for me.  But like I said, I don't have ten.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Jane Carona via Talk
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Cc: Jane Carona
Subject: New t