question about foreground staging
Does anyone know how to get rid of the foreground staging screen in Windows 10? It basically locks up my system in the manner that I can not read anything else except the title bar unless I go to the desktop. I can then open a folder, but if I do anything in that folder, the blank foreground staging screen comes up again. Thanks for any help. Carol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: question about foreground staging
Hi Carol, Going to the desktop is how I take care of the foreground staging screen too. And I usually don't see it again. Although it does pop up once in a while. And it certainly hasn't caused any problems. I only see it when I'm on the desktop anyway, after boot, waking, or having had gone to the desktop before transferring files to a thumb drive. All I can think of is to use Windows+D instead of Windows+M if that's what you use. It's all I do. Hth, Tom On 3/29/2019 9:32 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Does anyone know how to get rid of the foreground staging screen in Windows 10? It basically locks up my system in the manner that I can not read anything else except the title bar unless I go to the desktop. I can then open a folder, but if I do anything in that folder, the blank foreground staging screen comes up again. Thanks for any help. Carol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: question about foreground staging
Hi Tom, Thanks for writing. In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say "foreground staging." Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open would not speak. A reboot did solve the problem for now. I canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person there did not know what I was talking about. He did, although, quote help me out by changing the way my files are now listed. You know how the item number is normally spoken at the end of a file name in a list, he fixed it so the number would be read first. Also, I have always kept my files listed in detail view. Now, there are three columns and if I want to read down through a list, I have to use the right arrow and there are no longer details for the files. Oh well, I guess one gets what they pay for, grin. Carol On 3/29/2019 11:25 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, Going to the desktop is how I take care of the foreground staging screen too. And I usually don't see it again. Although it does pop up once in a while. And it certainly hasn't caused any problems. I only see it when I'm on the desktop anyway, after boot, waking, or having had gone to the desktop before transferring files to a thumb drive. All I can think of is to use Windows+D instead of Windows+M if that's what you use. It's all I do. Hth, Tom On 3/29/2019 9:32 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Does anyone know how to get rid of the foreground staging screen in Windows 10? It basically locks up my system in the manner that I can not read anything else except the title bar unless I go to the desktop. I can then open a folder, but if I do anything in that folder, the blank foreground staging screen comes up again. Thanks for any help. Carol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: question about foreground staging
Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works. Good luck, Tom On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks for writing. In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say "foreground staging." Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open would not speak. A reboot did solve the problem for now. I canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person there did not know what I was talking about. He did, although, quote help me out by changing the way my files are now listed. You know how the item number is normally spoken at the end of a file name in a list, he fixed it so the number would be read first. Also, I have always kept my files listed in detail view. Now, there are three columns and if I want to read down through a list, I have to use the right arrow and there are no longer details for the files. Oh well, I guess one gets what they pay for, grin. Carol On 3/29/2019 11:25 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, Going to the desktop is how I take care of the foreground staging screen too. And I usually don't see it again. Although it does pop up once in a while. And it certainly hasn't caused any problems. I only see it when I'm on the desktop anyway, after boot, waking, or having had gone to the desktop before transferring files to a thumb drive. All I can think of is to use Windows+D instead of Windows+M if that's what you use. It's all I do. Hth, Tom On 3/29/2019 9:32 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Does anyone know how to get rid of the foreground staging screen in Windows 10? It basically locks up my system in the manner that I can not read anything else except the title bar unless I go to the desktop. I can then open a folder, but if I do anything in that folder, the blank foreground staging screen comes up again. Thanks for any help. Carol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes
Re: question about foreground staging
Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works. Good luck, Tom On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks for writing. In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say "foreground staging." Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open would not speak. A reboot did solve the problem for now. I canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person there did not know what I was talking about. He did, although, quote help me out by changing the way my files are now listed. You know how the item number is normally spoken at the end of a file name in a list, he fixed it so the number would be read first. Also, I have always kept my files listed in detail view. Now, there are three columns and if I want to read down through a list, I have to use the right arrow and there are no longer details for the files. Oh well, I guess one gets what they pay for, grin. Carol On 3/29/2019 11:25 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, Going to the desktop is how I take care of the foreground staging screen too. And I usually don't see it again. Although it does pop up once in a while. And it certainly hasn't caused any problems. I only see it when I'm on the desktop anyway, after boot, waking, or having had gone to the desktop before transferring files to a thumb drive. All I can think of is to use Windows+D instead of Windows+M if that's what you use. It's all I do. Hth, Tom On 3/29/2019 9:32 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Does anyone know how to get rid of the foreground staging screen in Windows 10? It basically locks up my system in the manner that I can not read anything else except the title bar unless I go to the desktop. I can then open a folder, but if I do anything in that folder, the blank foreground staging screen comes up again. Thanks for any help. Carol ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/tom.kingston%40charter.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.windo
Re: question about foreground staging
Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works. Good luck, Tom On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks for writing. In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say "foreground staging." Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open would not speak. A reboot did solve the problem for now. I canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person there did not know what I was talking about. He did, although, quote help me out by changing the way my files are now listed. You know how the item number is normally spoken at the end of a file name in a list, he fixed it so the number would be read first. Also, I have always kept my files listed in detail view. Now, there are three columns and if I want to read down through a list, I have to use the right arrow and there are no longer details for the files. Oh well, I guess one gets what they pay for, grin. Carol On 3/29/2019 11:25 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, Going to the desktop is how I take care of the foreground staging screen too. And I usually don't see it again. Although it does pop up once in a while. And it certainly hasn't caused any problems. I only see it when I'm on the desktop anyway, after boot, waking, or having had gone to the desktop before transferring files to a thumb drive. All I can think of is to use Windows+D instead of Windows+M if that's what you use. It's all I do. Hth, Tom On 3/29/2019 9:32 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Does anyone know how to get rid of the foreground staging screen in Windows 10? It basically locks up my system in the manner that I can not read anything else except the title bar unless I go to the desktop. I can then open a folder, but if I do anything
Re: question about foreground staging
Hi Tom, That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy anomaly. It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin. Well, maybe not for a month or so. Thanks for trying to figure it out. Carol On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works. Good luck, Tom On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks for writing. In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say "foreground staging." Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open would not speak. A reboot did solve the problem for now. I canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person there did not know what I was talking about. He did, although, quote help me out by changing the way my files are now listed. You know how the item number is normally spoken at the end of a file name in a list, he fixed it so the number would be read first. Also, I have always kept my files listed in detail view. Now, there are three columns and if I want to read down through a list, I have to use the right arrow and there are no longer details for the files. Oh well, I guess one gets what they pay for, grin. Carol On 3/29/2019 11:25 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, Going to the desktop is how I take care of the foregrou
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Hi Carol, No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy anomaly. It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin. Well, maybe not for a month or so. Thanks for trying to figure it out. Carol On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works. Good luck, Tom On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks for writing. In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say "foreground staging." Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open would not speak. A reboot did solve the problem for now. I canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person there did not know what I was talking about. He did, although, quote help me out by changing the way my files are now listed. You know how the item number is normally spoken at the end of a file name in a list, he fixed it so the number would be read first. Also, I have always kept my files listed in detail view. Now, there are three columns and if I want to read down throu
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Damn! I just took a look at Bookshare's listings for annoyances, and found no book regarding annoyances associated with Windows 10, only up to Windows 7. I guess there just weren't enough annoyances in Windows 10 to fill enough pages . On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy anomaly. It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin. Well, maybe not for a month or so. Thanks for trying to figure it out. Carol On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works. Good luck, Tom On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks for writing. In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say "foreground staging." Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open would not speak. A reboot did solve the problem for now. I canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person there did not know what I was talking about. He did, although, quote help me out by chan
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Didn't you know? Windows 10 is the perfect Windows. That's why Microsoft says it's the last new version of Windows. We will forever be on Windows 10. Hahaahaaha! On 4/2/2019 7:42 AM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Damn! I just took a look at Bookshare's listings for annoyances, and found no book regarding annoyances associated with Windows 10, only up to Windows 7. I guess there just weren't enough annoyances in Windows 10 to fill enough pages . On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy anomaly. It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin. Well, maybe not for a month or so. Thanks for trying to figure it out. Carol On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works. Good luck, Tom On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks for writing. In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say "foreground staging." Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the folders I alrea
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Yeah, right, grimmace! At least it hasn't happend today, yet, grin. I appreciate your taking the time to see what you could figure out. Take care, Carol On 4/2/2019 7:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy anomaly. It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin. Well, maybe not for a month or so. Thanks for trying to figure it out. Carol On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works. Good luck, Tom On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks for writing. In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say "foreground staging." Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open would not speak. A reboot did solve the problem for now. I canned the Microsoft Disability desk and the person there did not know what I was talking about. He did, although, quote help me out by changing the way my files are now listed. You know how the item number is normally sp
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Tom, Don't know if this might give you a clew as to what is going on with foreground staging, but what might be an error code 32770 some times comes when pressing ctrl-shift-T rather than foreground staging being spoken. Sure hope this helps, because I am having the same problem at the moment. It comes and goes. And it sure does make tabbing from window to window a bit of a pain. On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy anomaly. It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin. Well, maybe not for a month or so. Thanks for trying to figure it out. Carol On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works. Good luck, Tom On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks for writing. In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was that WE would read absolutely nothing except the title bar read command would say "foreground staging." Windows-d would open the desktop back up, but the folders I already had open would not speak. A reboot did solve the problem for
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The interesting thing about foreground staging, I haven't got that message since I stopped using window eyes. -Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 3:27 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Carol and Roger Subject: Re: question about foreground staging Yeah, right, grimmace! At least it hasn't happend today, yet, grin. I appreciate your taking the time to see what you could figure out. Take care, Carol On 4/2/2019 7:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy anomaly. It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin. Well, maybe not for a month or so. Thanks for trying to figure it out. Carol On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works. Good luck, Tom On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks for writing. In my case, I would go to the folder I wanted and then alt-tab to the drive I wanted to paste the files I wanted to move. The problem, although the drive was already open, was th
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Larry, This is strange. 32770 is the class name for a standard Windows dialog, like those used within programs for opening files or a Save As dialog. I suspect the title bar hot key might give you this if a dialog pops up that has no title or name. I'll try to remember to check this if I can ever catch the foreground staging window. On 4/2/2019 7:35 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Tom, Don't know if this might give you a clew as to what is going on with foreground staging, but what might be an error code 32770 some times comes when pressing ctrl-shift-T rather than foreground staging being spoken. Sure hope this helps, because I am having the same problem at the moment. It comes and goes. And it sure does make tabbing from window to window a bit of a pain. On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy anomaly. It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin. Well, maybe not for a month or so. Thanks for trying to figure it out. Carol On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works. Good luck, Tom On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Thanks for writing. In my case, I would go
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Ah yes, it does show up spoken as a dialog box every now and then, but of course it has no content. You can bring up a context menu of sort by pressing the alt key, but if I remember correctly, it only has the options to move or to close, and the close option seems to do absolutely nothing. On 4/3/2019 8:24 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Larry, This is strange. 32770 is the class name for a standard Windows dialog, like those used within programs for opening files or a Save As dialog. I suspect the title bar hot key might give you this if a dialog pops up that has no title or name. I'll try to remember to check this if I can ever catch the foreground staging window. On 4/2/2019 7:35 PM, Larry Higgins via Talk wrote: Tom, Don't know if this might give you a clew as to what is going on with foreground staging, but what might be an error code 32770 some times comes when pressing ctrl-shift-T rather than foreground staging being spoken. Sure hope this helps, because I am having the same problem at the moment. It comes and goes. And it sure does make tabbing from window to window a bit of a pain. On 4/2/2019 6:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy anomaly. It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin. Well, maybe not for a month or so. Thanks for trying to figure it out. Carol On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 b
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Yes, Window-Eyes is the only one that is reading it, but neither of the others will read anything if the foreground staging screen is open. Carol On 4/3/2019 9:12 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: The interesting thing about foreground staging, I haven't got that message since I stopped using window eyes. -Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 3:27 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Carol and Roger Subject: Re: question about foreground staging Yeah, right, grimmace! At least it hasn't happend today, yet, grin. I appreciate your taking the time to see what you could figure out. Take care, Carol On 4/2/2019 7:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy anomaly. It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin. Well, maybe not for a month or so. Thanks for trying to figure it out. Carol On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the order in which you do things. Hopefully you'll find one that works. Good luck, Tom On 3/30/2019 9:13 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, T
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The plot thickens. The theme to the Pink Panther begins playing. And Inspector Clouseau is on the job. On 4/3/2019 4:11 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Yes, Window-Eyes is the only one that is reading it, but neither of the others will read anything if the foreground staging screen is open. Carol On 4/3/2019 9:12 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: The interesting thing about foreground staging, I haven't got that message since I stopped using window eyes. -Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 3:27 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Carol and Roger Subject: Re: question about foreground staging Yeah, right, grimmace! At least it hasn't happend today, yet, grin. I appreciate your taking the time to see what you could figure out. Take care, Carol On 4/2/2019 7:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy anomaly. It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin. Well, maybe not for a month or so. Thanks for trying to figure it out. Carol On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and notified them. The problem is that they're just shrinking the window down to 0 by 0 pixels instead of using the proper hide method. Consequently, to a screen reader, it's still a window. All I can suggest is to play around with the o
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Hi Tom, I really liked your message. So far, I haven't had the staging issue for a couple of days. Of course, I haven't been on the computer much, either, grin. Take care. Carol On 4/3/2019 6:25 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: The plot thickens. The theme to the Pink Panther begins playing. And Inspector Clouseau is on the job. On 4/3/2019 4:11 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Yes, Window-Eyes is the only one that is reading it, but neither of the others will read anything if the foreground staging screen is open. Carol On 4/3/2019 9:12 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk wrote: The interesting thing about foreground staging, I haven't got that message since I stopped using window eyes. -Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 3:27 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Carol and Roger Subject: Re: question about foreground staging Yeah, right, grimmace! At least it hasn't happend today, yet, grin. I appreciate your taking the time to see what you could figure out. Take care, Carol On 4/2/2019 7:02 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, No problem. I like tracking down these annoyances and squashing them. It's strange how I rarely see it and it's a real problem for you. Oh the mysteries of computers. Aren't they wonderful. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 10:45 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, That is so nice of you to continue to follow through with this crazy anomaly. It does go away if I reboot and stays gone for a while. Closing WE does also help, but it does not stay gone as long as a restart. Anyway, I am learning to put up with it for the most part. The biggest problem is when I have more than two or three windows open at a time. Then, none of the windows speak when alt-tabbing and more likely than not, they do not speak when I land on them. Anyway, I will be through my moving soon enough and won't need to worry about it again, grin. Well, maybe not for a month or so. Thanks for trying to figure it out. Carol On 4/1/2019 9:58 PM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi Carol, That's strange. I've never had it pop up over a program window. As I said, for me it's always on the desktop. I thought it was after ejecting a drive. But I just tried that and got nothing. I never thought it had anything to do with Window-Eyes either. But I can't remember now if I've seen it with NVDA. And I don't know what "enhanced on" would be. Although it might be something in the Window-Eyes control panel. I assume you have it running in the system tray. That is to say, the Window-Eyes control panel isn't in the Alt+Tab order unless it's open. The reason I say this is because when a window is set to be in the tray it actually flashes open and is then minimized to the tray. All I can say is that the next time I see it I'll pop up the Window-Eyes scripting window and see if I can get the source of the foreground staging window. Maybe if I can figure out what it is I can write a script to stomp on it. Smile. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Regards, Tom On 4/1/2019 8:09 PM, Carol and Roger via Talk wrote: Hi Tom, Here is an update on the foreground staging issue. It came bacdk again today. The interesting thing was that I was in my f drive and inside the music folder. I clicked on a song to play and the foreground staging title bar was there, but again, there was nothing showing on the screen. There are a couple of interesting items here to report. The screen was my Winamp screen, although it would not say anything. I could navigate through the track I was playing with my arrow keys, which confirmed what the screen was. The other interesting thing was that I closed WE and reopened it. Although I was not on the desktop when I closed WE, that is where I landed. After telling me where I was, WE voiced something that said "enhanced on." This has only happened a few times and seems to be in the same time period as the foreground staging issue. Today, at least, the foreground staging window will go away for a while if I restart WE. Carol On 3/31/2019 9:52 AM, Tom Kingston via Talk wrote: Hi carol, I'm sorry, but I don't have an answer. I've never had a real problem with the foreground staging window. As I said, when I get it, I just hit Windows+D and go back to what I was doing. It's gone and doesn't come back. I don't even remember exactly when it comes up. It's not when I connect a drive. The drive just pops up in explorer and I paste what I've already cut or copied from another drive. I think it might come up when I eject the external drive. And again, I just Windows+D and it's gone. I suspect the reason the guy from Microsoft didn't know anything is that the window is probably invisible. I saw this problem with MalwareBytes and
