RE: updated all of my 35 apps
Good on you, Curtis. I will download it shortly.. regards Thomas N. Chan -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer via Talk Sent: Saturday, 30 December 2017 8:26 AM To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Cc: Curtis Delzer Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps well it is almost the end of the year, but I did it. There are 310 packages in this *.zip. https://www.sendspace.com/file/aotdf8 I pay for my send space, and I will continue to pay for it. - Curtis Delzer, HS. WB6HEF San Bernardino, CA On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:40:32 -0400 Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > I agree if someone could do this it would be great. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 9:31 AM > To: Carol and Roger; Jeff Weiss; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps > > Perhaps someone should download all of then and zip them up and share them with the list? > > -Original Message- > From: Carol and Roger via Talk > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:46 PM > To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps > > If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE? In other words, would it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO might find a way to have them disabled? Thanks. > > Carol > > > On 7/21/2017 12:08 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: > > I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. > > From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will > > be allowed. > > Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an > > unnecessary termination of services which all of the current > > Window-Eyes users are using. > > I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more > > updates will be approved. > > Jeff Weiss > > > > > > > > From: Bryan Carver > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM > > To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com > > Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps > > > > Hi Jeff, > > > > I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately > > not be posting any further updates for apps. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified > > > > VFOT | Director Technical Support > > > > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > > > > T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 > > > > bcar...@vfogroup.com > > > > www.vfogroup.com > > > > How am I doing? Let > > > > Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! > > > > > > > > From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM > > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com > > Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps > > > > > > I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes > > apps on App Central. It's been several days, and I have not heard > > anything-nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of > > the > > 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address > > since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or > > let me know if there is some problem. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeff Weiss > > > > jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jeff Weiss > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM > > > > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com > > > > Subject: updated all of my 35 apps > > > > > > I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. > > > > Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to > > my home email address. > > > > The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: > > > > > > AppsActive > > > > version 2.3 > > > > > > AssertiveChristian > > > > Version 1.1 > > > > > > BrailleQuiz > > > > Version 1.7 > > > > > > BrowseModeStatus > > > > version 1.3 > > > > > > Celebrate > > > > Version 1.1 > > > > > > Christmas > > > > version 1.3 > >
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
well it is almost the end of the year, but I did it. There are 310 packages in this *.zip. https://www.sendspace.com/file/aotdf8 I pay for my send space, and I will continue to pay for it. - Curtis Delzer, HS. WB6HEF San Bernardino, CA On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:40:32 -0400 Dennis Long via Talk wrote: > I agree if someone could do this it would be great. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 9:31 AM > To: Carol and Roger; Jeff Weiss; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps > > Perhaps someone should download all of then and zip them up and share them > with the list? > > -Original Message- > From: Carol and Roger via Talk > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:46 PM > To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps > > If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many > apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE? In other words, would > it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we > can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO might find > a way to have them disabled? Thanks. > > Carol > > > On 7/21/2017 12:08 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: > > I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. > > From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will > > be allowed. > > Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an > > unnecessary termination of services which all of the current > > Window-Eyes users are using. > > I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more > > updates will be approved. > > Jeff Weiss > > > > > > > > From: Bryan Carver > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM > > To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com > > Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps > > > > Hi Jeff, > > > > I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately > > not be posting any further updates for apps. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified > > > > VFO | Director Technical Support > > > > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > > > > T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 > > > > bcar...@vfogroup.com > > > > www.vfogroup.com > > > > How am I doing? Let > > > > Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! > > > > > > > > From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] > > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM > > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com > > Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps > > > > > > I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes > > apps on App Central. Its been several days, and I have not heard > > anythingnor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of > > the > > 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address > > since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or > > let me know if there is some problem. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeff Weiss > > > > jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jeff Weiss > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM > > > > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com > > > > Subject: updated all of my 35 apps > > > > > > I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. > > > > Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to > > my home email address. > > > > The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: > > > > > > AppsActive > > > > version 2.3 > > > > > > AssertiveChristian > > > > Version 1.1 > > > > > > BrailleQuiz > > > > Version 1.7 > > > > > > BrowseModeStatus > > > > version 1.3 > > > > > > Celebrate > > > > Version 1.1 > > > > > > Christmas > > > > version 1.3 > > > > > > DailyBlessings > > > > version 2.0 > > > > > > DailyProverbs > > > > version 1.3 > > > > > > Daily Psalms > > > > version 1.1 > > > > > > EasterBlessing > > > > version 1.1 > > > > > > ErrorList > > > >
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
Most of them will work just fine. I know of two that won't work as they are if the web page closes. They are: Install Packages and App Get because both of these get apps directly from the page. Also, the WE update app wouldn't work, but VFO acts like there will be no more updates to Window-Eyes anyway. The rest should work fine whether the web site exists or not. Jeff Weiss -Original Message- From: Carol and Roger Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:35 PM To: Jeff Weiss Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I did download all of the apps. My question would be whether there will be any apps that will fail to work because VFO removes the WE web pages. I know there are many that are stand-alone, but are there any that are specifically tied to, let's say, the GW-Micro site? Thanks. Carol On 7/22/2017 12:12 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: I would suggest that everybody down load the install packages app, install it, choose all, and then there is an option to download all the packages and store them in a folder on your computer. This is what I have done, so if I ever want to use one of these apps, I have it ready to install. This won't help with any new updates or new apps, but it's probably a good idea for those of us who plan to continue to use Window-Eyes. Jeff Weiss -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:46 AM To: 'Carol and Roger' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I would advise downloading them. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:47 PM To: Jeff Weiss; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE? In other words, would it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO might find a way to have them disabled? Thanks. Carol On 7/21/2017 12:08 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be posting any further updates for apps. Best Regards, Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified VFO™ | Director Technical Support 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 bcar...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com How am I doing? Let Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net From: Jeff Weiss Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: updated all of my 35 apps I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home email address. The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: AppsActive version 2.3 AssertiveChristian Version 1.1 BrailleQuiz Version 1.7 BrowseModeStatus version 1.3 Celebrate Version 1.1 Christmas version 1.3 DailyBlessings version 2.0 DailyProverbs version 1.3 Daily Psalms version 1.1 EasterBlessing version 1.1 ErrorList version 1.7 FreeSpace version 1.8 GivingThanks version 1.1 GodsValentine version 1.4 Happiness Version 1.1 HushNow version 1.4 LunarLander version 1.4 MissionImpossible version 1.5 MusicMenu Version 1.6 OutlookSaveAllAttachments version 1.3 PlayBack version 1.6 PrayerForTheDay version 1.4 PrimeNumbers version 1.2 PromisesOfGod version 1.4 RefreshSets version 1.4 RomanNumerals version 1.4 Sc
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
Olusegun, All I can say is good luck with Android. I'm hoping NVDA will fill the need when it comes. But be it that I could get JAWS for free I downloaded it just to have it. Android is not a choice for me. Regards, Tom On 7/22/2017 9:52 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. wrote: Tom, as a nonconformist, Window-Eyes was everything to me! Now that it's gone, I am hastily learning to use an Android tablet. Why? Because I want to ditch Windows and its associated screen readers; I will have two devices: An Android phone for everyday talk to the world, and Android tablets for business use. I will not pay a blue cent to have scripts rewritten for Jaws in order to be able to use apps that work almost literally out of the box using Window-Eyes. I'm not taking the Jaws transfer offer, and I'm never upgrading to Windows10 or any of its cousins! I'll keep running both Windows XP Pro and the Windows7 Pro computers that I have and just let them die naturally so that I can commit their souls to Purgatory. In the long run anyway, Android will be the cheapest alternative for me. And I won't miss Windows when I kick it out, but I do certainly miss so many folks from GW Micro, and I'd have long-lasting memories of Window-eyes! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: updated all of my 35 apps
Could someone please post all apps that can be easily downloaded? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of net bat via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 3:56 PM To: Don Smith; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps if you just want to download the apps, select all then go to get apps not install. one problem with the install apps program is you have to manually enter the path to the folder you want them to go. it does not allow you to search for the path to the folder you want. i created a we app in the root directory so it would be easy to type in and they all went there. also all 309 apps only takes up about 120mb of disk space. it took about 5 minutes for me to download all of them. -Original Message- From: Don Smith via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 9:57 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff: When I get to install, do I actually to theinstall and when the install is done, is that when I choose install or is it before I choose to install I just don't want to screw up something in win eyes and we all know why. Also when all apps, is this all apps I now have or is it all of the apps on the we apps downloads page? Sorry for the dumb questions, but,(smile) Don -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dsmith1025=cogeco...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:13 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I would suggest that everybody down load the install packages app, install it, choose all, and then there is an option to download all the packages and store them in a folder on your computer. This is what I have done, so if I ever want to use one of these apps, I have it ready to install. This won't help with any new updates or new apps, but it's probably a good idea for those of us who plan to continue to use Window-Eyes. Jeff Weiss -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:46 AM To: 'Carol and Roger' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I would advise downloading them. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:47 PM To: Jeff Weiss; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE? In other words, would it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO might find a way to have them disabled? Thanks. Carol On 7/21/2017 12:08 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: > I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. > From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will > be allowed. > Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an > unnecessary termination of services which all of the current > Window-Eyes users are using. > I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more > updates will be approved. > Jeff Weiss > > > > From: Bryan Carver > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM > To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com > Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps > > Hi Jeff, > > I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately > not be posting any further updates for apps. > > > > Best Regards, > > Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified > > VFO™ | Director Technical Support > > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > > T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 > > bcar...@vfogroup.com > > www.vfogroup.com > > How am I doing? Let > > Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! > > > > > > From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com > Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps > > > > I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes > apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard > anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of > the > 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address > since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or > let me know if there is some problem. > > Thanks, > > Jeff Weiss > > jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > > > > > From: Jeff Wei
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
if you just want to download the apps, select all then go to get apps not install. one problem with the install apps program is you have to manually enter the path to the folder you want them to go. it does not allow you to search for the path to the folder you want. i created a we app in the root directory so it would be easy to type in and they all went there. also all 309 apps only takes up about 120mb of disk space. it took about 5 minutes for me to download all of them. -Original Message- From: Don Smith via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 9:57 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff: When I get to install, do I actually to theinstall and when the install is done, is that when I choose install or is it before I choose to install I just don't want to screw up something in win eyes and we all know why. Also when all apps, is this all apps I now have or is it all of the apps on the we apps downloads page? Sorry for the dumb questions, but,(smile) Don -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dsmith1025=cogeco...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:13 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I would suggest that everybody down load the install packages app, install it, choose all, and then there is an option to download all the packages and store them in a folder on your computer. This is what I have done, so if I ever want to use one of these apps, I have it ready to install. This won't help with any new updates or new apps, but it's probably a good idea for those of us who plan to continue to use Window-Eyes. Jeff Weiss -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:46 AM To: 'Carol and Roger' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I would advise downloading them. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:47 PM To: Jeff Weiss; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE? In other words, would it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO might find a way to have them disabled? Thanks. Carol On 7/21/2017 12:08 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be posting any further updates for apps. Best Regards, Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified VFO™ | Director Technical Support 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 bcar...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com How am I doing? Let Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net From: Jeff Weiss Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: updated all of my 35 apps I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home email address. The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: AppsActive version 2.3 AssertiveChristian Version 1.1 BrailleQuiz Version 1.7 BrowseModeStatus version 1.3 Celebrate Version 1.1 Christmas version 1.3 DailyBlessings version 2.0 DailyProverbs version 1.3 Daily Psalms version 1.1 EasterBlessing version 1.1 ErrorList version 1.7 FreeSpace v
RE: updated all of my 35 apps
Hi Jeff: When I get to install, do I actually to theinstall and when the install is done, is that when I choose install or is it before I choose to install I just don't want to screw up something in win eyes and we all know why. Also when all apps, is this all apps I now have or is it all of the apps on the we apps downloads page? Sorry for the dumb questions, but,(smile) Don -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dsmith1025=cogeco...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:13 PM To: Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I would suggest that everybody down load the install packages app, install it, choose all, and then there is an option to download all the packages and store them in a folder on your computer. This is what I have done, so if I ever want to use one of these apps, I have it ready to install. This won't help with any new updates or new apps, but it's probably a good idea for those of us who plan to continue to use Window-Eyes. Jeff Weiss -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:46 AM To: 'Carol and Roger' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I would advise downloading them. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:47 PM To: Jeff Weiss; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE? In other words, would it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO might find a way to have them disabled? Thanks. Carol On 7/21/2017 12:08 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: > I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. > From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be > allowed. > Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary > termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are > using. > I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more > updates will be approved. > Jeff Weiss > > > > From: Bryan Carver > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM > To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com > Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps > > Hi Jeff, > > I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not > be posting any further updates for apps. > > > > Best Regards, > > Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified > > VFO™ | Director Technical Support > > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > > T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 > > bcar...@vfogroup.com > > www.vfogroup.com > > How am I doing? Let > > Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! > > > > > > From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com > Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps > > > > I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes > apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard > anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the > 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address > since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let > me know if there is some problem. > > Thanks, > > Jeff Weiss > > jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > > > > > From: Jeff Weiss > > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM > > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com > > Subject: updated all of my 35 apps > > > > I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. > > Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my > home email address. > > The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: > > > > AppsActive > > version 2.3 > > > > AssertiveChristian > > Version 1.1 > > > > BrailleQuiz > > Version 1.7 > > > > BrowseModeStatus > > version 1.3 > > > > Celebrate > > Version 1.1 > > > > Christmas > > version 1.3 > > > > DailyBlessings > > version 2.0 > > > > DailyProverbs > > version 1.3 > > > > Daily Psalms > > version 1.1 > > > > EasterBlessing > > version 1.1 > > > > ErrorList > > version 1.7
RE: updated all of my 35 apps
I agree if someone could do this it would be great. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 9:31 AM To: Carol and Roger; Jeff Weiss; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps Perhaps someone should download all of then and zip them up and share them with the list? -Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:46 PM To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE? In other words, would it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO might find a way to have them disabled? Thanks. Carol On 7/21/2017 12:08 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: > I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. > From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will > be allowed. > Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an > unnecessary termination of services which all of the current > Window-Eyes users are using. > I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more > updates will be approved. > Jeff Weiss > > > > From: Bryan Carver > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM > To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com > Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps > > Hi Jeff, > > I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately > not be posting any further updates for apps. > > > Best Regards, > > Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified > > VFO™ | Director Technical Support > > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > > T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 > > bcar...@vfogroup.com > > www.vfogroup.com > > How am I doing? Let > > Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! > > > > From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com > Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps > > > I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes > apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard > anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of > the > 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address > since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or > let me know if there is some problem. > > Thanks, > > Jeff Weiss > > jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > From: Jeff Weiss > > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM > > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com > > Subject: updated all of my 35 apps > > > I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. > > Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to > my home email address. > > The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: > > > AppsActive > > version 2.3 > > > AssertiveChristian > > Version 1.1 > > > BrailleQuiz > > Version 1.7 > > > BrowseModeStatus > > version 1.3 > > > Celebrate > > Version 1.1 > > > Christmas > > version 1.3 > > > DailyBlessings > > version 2.0 > > > DailyProverbs > > version 1.3 > > > Daily Psalms > > version 1.1 > > > EasterBlessing > > version 1.1 > > > ErrorList > > version 1.7 > > > FreeSpace > > version 1.8 > > > GivingThanks > > version 1.1 > > > GodsValentine > > version 1.4 > > > Happiness > > Version 1.1 > > > HushNow > > version 1.4 > > > LunarLander > > version 1.4 > > > MissionImpossible > > version 1.5 > > > MusicMenu > > Version 1.6 > > > OutlookSaveAllAttachments > > version 1.3 > > > PlayBack > > version 1.6 > > > PrayerForTheDay > > version 1.4 > > > PrimeNumbers > > version 1.2 > > > PromisesOfGod > > version 1.4 > > > RefreshSets > > version 1.4 > > > RomanNumerals > > version 1.4 > > > ScriptComments > > version 1.1 > > > Spelling Practice > > Version 1.1 > > > SpellingTest > > version 1.7 > > > StatesGame > > version 1.5 > > > TextToClip > > version 1.8 > > > TwelveGifts > > version 1.4 > > > WEHotkeys > > version 1.5 > > >
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
I would suggest that everybody down load the install packages app, install it, choose all, and then there is an option to download all the packages and store them in a folder on your computer. This is what I have done, so if I ever want to use one of these apps, I have it ready to install. This won't help with any new updates or new apps, but it's probably a good idea for those of us who plan to continue to use Window-Eyes. Jeff Weiss -Original Message- From: Dennis Long via Talk Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:46 AM To: 'Carol and Roger' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I would advise downloading them. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:47 PM To: Jeff Weiss; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE? In other words, would it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO might find a way to have them disabled? Thanks. Carol On 7/21/2017 12:08 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be posting any further updates for apps. Best Regards, Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified VFO™ | Director Technical Support 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 bcar...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com How am I doing? Let Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net From: Jeff Weiss Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: updated all of my 35 apps I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home email address. The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: AppsActive version 2.3 AssertiveChristian Version 1.1 BrailleQuiz Version 1.7 BrowseModeStatus version 1.3 Celebrate Version 1.1 Christmas version 1.3 DailyBlessings version 2.0 DailyProverbs version 1.3 Daily Psalms version 1.1 EasterBlessing version 1.1 ErrorList version 1.7 FreeSpace version 1.8 GivingThanks version 1.1 GodsValentine version 1.4 Happiness Version 1.1 HushNow version 1.4 LunarLander version 1.4 MissionImpossible version 1.5 MusicMenu Version 1.6 OutlookSaveAllAttachments version 1.3 PlayBack version 1.6 PrayerForTheDay version 1.4 PrimeNumbers version 1.2 PromisesOfGod version 1.4 RefreshSets version 1.4 RomanNumerals version 1.4 ScriptComments version 1.1 Spelling Practice Version 1.1 SpellingTest version 1.7 StatesGame version 1.5 TextToClip version 1.8 TwelveGifts version 1.4 WEHotkeys version 1.5 WEPMInfo version 1.5 WordScramble version 1.7 Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this emai
RE: updated all of my 35 apps
Tom, as a nonconformist, Window-Eyes was everything to me! Now that it's gone, I am hastily learning to use an Android tablet. Why? Because I want to ditch Windows and its associated screen readers; I will have two devices: An Android phone for everyday talk to the world, and Android tablets for business use. I will not pay a blue cent to have scripts rewritten for Jaws in order to be able to use apps that work almost literally out of the box using Window-Eyes. I'm not taking the Jaws transfer offer, and I'm never upgrading to Windows10 or any of its cousins! I'll keep running both Windows XP Pro and the Windows7 Pro computers that I have and just let them die naturally so that I can commit their souls to Purgatory. In the long run anyway, Android will be the cheapest alternative for me. And I won't miss Windows when I kick it out, but I do certainly miss so many folks from GW Micro, and I'd have long-lasting memories of Window-eyes! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
Perhaps someone should download all of then and zip them up and share them with the list? -Original Message- From: Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 6:46 PM To: Jeff Weiss ; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE? In other words, would it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO might find a way to have them disabled? Thanks. Carol On 7/21/2017 12:08 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be posting any further updates for apps. Best Regards, Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified VFO™ | Director Technical Support 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 bcar...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com How am I doing? Let Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net From: Jeff Weiss Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: updated all of my 35 apps I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home email address. The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: AppsActive version 2.3 AssertiveChristian Version 1.1 BrailleQuiz Version 1.7 BrowseModeStatus version 1.3 Celebrate Version 1.1 Christmas version 1.3 DailyBlessings version 2.0 DailyProverbs version 1.3 Daily Psalms version 1.1 EasterBlessing version 1.1 ErrorList version 1.7 FreeSpace version 1.8 GivingThanks version 1.1 GodsValentine version 1.4 Happiness Version 1.1 HushNow version 1.4 LunarLander version 1.4 MissionImpossible version 1.5 MusicMenu Version 1.6 OutlookSaveAllAttachments version 1.3 PlayBack version 1.6 PrayerForTheDay version 1.4 PrimeNumbers version 1.2 PromisesOfGod version 1.4 RefreshSets version 1.4 RomanNumerals version 1.4 ScriptComments version 1.1 Spelling Practice Version 1.1 SpellingTest version 1.7 StatesGame version 1.5 TextToClip version 1.8 TwelveGifts version 1.4 WEHotkeys version 1.5 WEPMInfo version 1.5 WordScramble version 1.7 Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/russ94577%40gmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.co
RE: updated all of my 35 apps
What is the link for this podcast? -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 8:26 PM To: 'Nick Sarames'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Not to menschen that the two brothers gloated about the demise of Window-Eyes on a tech talk presentation. They're JAWS beta testers and they are so bias that they actually delighted in announcing Window-Eyes demise. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:16 PM To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps Besides, could you imagine the uproar there would be (among Jaws users) if they discontinued Jaws? Oh the humanity. On 7/21/2017 3:26 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: > No amount of uproar will chnge this course, I'm afraid.--Matthew Chao > > > > On 7/21/2017 12:50 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >> Very sad what is happening and has happened. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:08 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 >> apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app >> central will be allowed. >> Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an >> unnecessary termination of services which all of the current >> Window-Eyes users are using. >> I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more >> updates will be approved. >> Jeff Weiss >> >> >> >> From: Bryan Carver >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM >> To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com >> Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> Hi Jeff, >> >> I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately >> not be posting any further updates for apps. >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified >> >> VFO™ | Director Technical Support >> >> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 >> >> T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 >> >> bcar...@vfogroup.com >> >> www.vfogroup.com >> >> How am I doing? Let >> >> Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! >> >> >> >> From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM >> To: wesupp...@aisquared.com >> Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> >> I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my >> Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have >> not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I >> updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come >> to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these >> updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jeff Weiss >> >> jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Jeff Weiss >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM >> >> To: wesupp...@aisquared.com >> >> Subject: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> >> I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. >> >> Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come >> to my home email address. >> >> The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: >> >> >> AppsActive >> >> version 2.3 >> >> >> AssertiveChristian >> >> Version 1.1 >> >> >> BrailleQuiz >> >> Version 1.7 >> >> >> BrowseModeStatus >> >> version 1.3 >> >> >> Celebrate >> >> Version 1.1 >> >> >> Christmas >> >> version 1.3 >> >> >> DailyBlessings >> >> version 2.0 >> >> >> DailyProverbs >> >> version 1.3 >> >> >> Daily Psalms >> >> version 1.1 >> >> >> EasterBlessing >> >> version 1.1 >> >> >> ErrorList >> >> version 1.7 >> >> >> FreeSpace >> >> version 1.8 >> >> >>
RE: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps
I would advise downloading them. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Carol and Roger via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:47 PM To: Jeff Weiss; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE? In other words, would it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO might find a way to have them disabled? Thanks. Carol On 7/21/2017 12:08 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: > I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. > From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be > allowed. > Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary > termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. > I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates > will be approved. > Jeff Weiss > > > > From: Bryan Carver > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM > To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com > Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps > > Hi Jeff, > > I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be > posting any further updates for apps. > > > > Best Regards, > > Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified > > VFO™ | Director Technical Support > > 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 > > T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 > > bcar...@vfogroup.com > > www.vfogroup.com > > How am I doing? Let > > Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! > > > > > > From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com > Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps > > > > I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps > on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard anything—nor > have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so > that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. > Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some > problem. > > Thanks, > > Jeff Weiss > > jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net > > > > > > > > > > From: Jeff Weiss > > Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM > > To: wesupp...@aisquared.com > > Subject: updated all of my 35 apps > > > > I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. > > Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my > home email address. > > The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: > > > > AppsActive > > version 2.3 > > > > AssertiveChristian > > Version 1.1 > > > > BrailleQuiz > > Version 1.7 > > > > BrowseModeStatus > > version 1.3 > > > > Celebrate > > Version 1.1 > > > > Christmas > > version 1.3 > > > > DailyBlessings > > version 2.0 > > > > DailyProverbs > > version 1.3 > > > > Daily Psalms > > version 1.1 > > > > EasterBlessing > > version 1.1 > > > > ErrorList > > version 1.7 > > > > FreeSpace > > version 1.8 > > > > GivingThanks > > version 1.1 > > > > GodsValentine > > version 1.4 > > > > Happiness > > Version 1.1 > > > > HushNow > > version 1.4 > > > > LunarLander > > version 1.4 > > > > MissionImpossible > > version 1.5 > > > > MusicMenu > > Version 1.6 > > > > OutlookSaveAllAttachments > > version 1.3 > > > > PlayBack > > version 1.6 > > > > PrayerForTheDay > > version 1.4 > > > > PrimeNumbers > > version 1.2 > > > > PromisesOfGod > > version 1.4 > > > > RefreshSets > > version 1.4 > > > > RomanNumerals > > version 1.4 > > > > ScriptComments > > version 1.1 > > > > Spelling Practice > > Version 1.1 > > > > SpellingTest > > version 1.7 > > > > StatesGame > > version 1.5 > > > > TextToClip > > version 1.8 > > > > TwelveGifts > > version 1.4 > > > > WEHotkeys > > vers
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
I don't believe the bias is on Sky's part. As much as I do and have despised Freedom Scientific for real reasons for decades I would feel bad if JAWS were terminated. This is because I have a lot of friends who depend on it heavily. And no screen reader is everything to everyone. So none can completely fill the void for everyone. And having had been a Window-Eyes beta tester for many years, were I doing a podcast I would feel sorry for the people who were losing what worked for them. And I would express that honest feeling. But that's too sophisticated for today's self-absorbed immature culture. Regards, Tom On 7/21/2017 10:04 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: What do you expect them to say? Hi our product sucks; don't buy it." It is your bias which is showing. On 7/21/2017 8:26 PM, Sky Mundell wrote: Not to menschen that the two brothers gloated about the demise of Window-Eyes on a tech talk presentation. They're JAWS beta testers and they are so bias that they actually delighted in announcing Window-Eyes demise. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:16 PM To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps Besides, could you imagine the uproar there would be (among Jaws users) if they discontinued Jaws? Oh the humanity. On 7/21/2017 3:26 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: No amount of uproar will chnge this course, I'm afraid.--Matthew Chao On 7/21/2017 12:50 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Very sad what is happening and has happened. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:08 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be posting any further updates for apps. Best Regards, Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified VFO™ | Director Technical Support 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 bcar...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com How am I doing? Let Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net From: Jeff Weiss Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: updated all of my 35 apps I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home email address. The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: AppsActive version 2.3 AssertiveChristian Version 1.1 BrailleQuiz Version 1.7 BrowseModeStatus version 1.3 Celebrate Version 1.1 Christmas version 1.3 DailyBlessings version 2.0 DailyProverbs version 1.3 Daily Psalms version 1.1 EasterBlessing version 1.1 ErrorList version 1.7 FreeSpace version 1.8 GivingThanks version 1.1 GodsValentine version 1.4 Happiness Version 1.1 HushNow version 1.4 LunarLander version 1.4 MissionImpossible version 1.5 MusicMenu Version 1.6 OutlookSaveAllAttachments version 1.3 PlayBack version 1.6 PrayerForTheDay version 1.4 PrimeNumbers version 1.2 PromisesOfGod version 1.4 RefreshSets version 1.4 RomanNumerals version 1.4 ScriptComments version 1.1 Spelling Practice Version 1.1 SpellingTest version 1.7 StatesGame version 1.5 TextToClip version 1.8 TwelveGifts version 1.4 WEHotkeys version 1.5 WEPMInfo version 1.5 WordScramble version 1.7 Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of t
Re: App mall, was: updated all of my 35 apps
Great idea. Although I can't imagine anyone doing it. Remember, FS has never hosted scripts for JAWS. That alone shows where users stand. Tom On 7/21/2017 3:05 PM, David via Talk wrote: Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they will turn down the lists, my guess is. Perhaps the only reason why they still keep the lists running, and App Central up, is that people actually make use of them. If now, they will not allow updates to be posted, that would mean noone would use the App Central, so it is all good to hit the road for the trash-bin. And, the day too few people are active on the list, down which road does that take them? :) Or, are they just awaiting the next failure of the server, then all the sudden just determining that no more service will be done on the machine, and we are left in the blue. The biggest trouble I find, is that VFO simply do not care to inform anyone. They sit there till things have reached a point, then just pull the plug. And if they even can pull the plug unnoticed, that is their fun. Or, why have we seen no announcement of the decision not to update apps, anything before. Too sad, as that will make it very hard for developers to do what they actually could, to make the screen reader stay up-to-date with the newest technologies out there. Someone setting up a server, might be a good idea. And first it has to be done from scratch, why not open a service that would offer users a cross-platform service. That is, it could hold not only an app store, but a whole app mall. What I am suggesting is, go to the new app mall, and here open the link for WinEyes, if that is your screen reader. You will have the chance to pick and choose from WE apps. Or, if you are a Jaws user, go to ap mall, open the Jaws link, and choose apps from the list. Same with NVDA. Sure, no apps are going to show up in all the sections, but if you compare it with a real mall, you don't get milk in the sportsware store either, do you. The big benefit of a combined service, would be that people had ONE place to go, no matter which screen reader they used. It might even encourage app developers, when they see, and read about, the different apps for other screen readers. That way, maybe some developers would be able to come up with more cross-platform like solutions. Of course, it even could have a subsection for IPhone apps, or those for Android, that are specialldesigned for visually impaired. Or, at least, it could hold some reviews of such apps. Further, if there could be a place for developers to go, and pick up articles and tutorials for how to build apps under different environments, this could be yet another way of encouraging more new apps and features to see the market, under any of the screen readers covered. Thing is, I wonder how long we have to get things going. As the end-date of the Jaws transmission offer draws near, I have a tiny feeling we might not see the list servers upp running, all that much longer. OK, they might be using external servers, but I don't know if there is a subscription for them to keep renewed, in such a case, likely it won't be kept alive. If anyone here thinks I am trying to be all negative, let me appologize. My one and only point was to accept the facts, sad as they are, and suggest that something else could be done to at least get the best out of the existing situation. On 7/21/2017 7:50 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: I would certainly be interested in such a thing if somebody could set it up. I am thinking of a Window-eyes app page which is privately run. It could be an app repository, or it might include more things, like a new Window-eyes list, etc. Jeff Weiss -Original Message- From: John Farley Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:18 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Dear Jeff, Some of us do intend to use Window-Eyes as long as it is viable. Would it be possible to place your updated apps on a public folder somewhere where we could still access them? Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:08 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; w
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
What do you expect them to say? Hi our product sucks; don't buy it." It is your bias which is showing. On 7/21/2017 8:26 PM, Sky Mundell wrote: > Not to menschen that the two brothers gloated about the demise of Window-Eyes > on a tech talk presentation. They're JAWS beta testers and they are so bias > that they actually delighted in announcing Window-Eyes demise. > > -Original Message- > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf > Of Nick Sarames via Talk > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:16 PM > To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps > > Besides, could you imagine the uproar there would be (among Jaws users) if > they discontinued Jaws? Oh the humanity. > > On 7/21/2017 3:26 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: >> No amount of uproar will chnge this course, I'm afraid.--Matthew Chao >> >> >> >> On 7/21/2017 12:50 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >>> Very sad what is happening and has happened. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] >>> On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk >>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:08 AM >>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >>> Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps >>> >>> I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 >>> apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app >>> central will be allowed. >>> Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an >>> unnecessary termination of services which all of the current >>> Window-Eyes users are using. >>> I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more >>> updates will be approved. >>> Jeff Weiss >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Bryan Carver >>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM >>> To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com >>> Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps >>> >>> Hi Jeff, >>> >>> I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately >>> not be posting any further updates for apps. >>> >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> >>> Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified >>> >>> VFO™ | Director Technical Support >>> >>> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 >>> >>> T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 >>> >>> bcar...@vfogroup.com >>> >>> www.vfogroup.com >>> >>> How am I doing? Let >>> >>> Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] >>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM >>> To: wesupp...@aisquared.com >>> Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps >>> >>> >>> I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my >>> Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have >>> not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I >>> updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come >>> to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these >>> updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jeff Weiss >>> >>> jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Jeff Weiss >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM >>> >>> To: wesupp...@aisquared.com >>> >>> Subject: updated all of my 35 apps >>> >>> >>> I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. >>> >>> Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come >>> to my home email address. >>> >>> The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: >>> >>> >>> AppsActive >>> >>> version 2.3 >>> >>> >>> AssertiveChristian >>> >>> Version 1.1 >>> >>> >>> BrailleQuiz >>> >>> Version 1.7 >>> >>> >>> BrowseModeStatus >>> >>> version 1.3 >>> >>> >>> Celebrate >>> >>> Version 1.1 >>> >>> >>> Christmas >>> >>> version 1.3 >>> >>> >>> DailyBlessin
Re: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps
If VFO terminates App Central or whatever it is currently called, how many apps, generally speaking, will no longer work with WE? In other words, would it be adviseable to download all of the apps one last time to make sure we can have access to all of our favorites or is it possible that VFO might find a way to have them disabled? Thanks. Carol On 7/21/2017 12:08 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be posting any further updates for apps. Best Regards, Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified VFO™ | Director Technical Support 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 bcar...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com How am I doing? Let Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net From: Jeff Weiss Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: updated all of my 35 apps I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home email address. The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: AppsActive version 2.3 AssertiveChristian Version 1.1 BrailleQuiz Version 1.7 BrowseModeStatus version 1.3 Celebrate Version 1.1 Christmas version 1.3 DailyBlessings version 2.0 DailyProverbs version 1.3 Daily Psalms version 1.1 EasterBlessing version 1.1 ErrorList version 1.7 FreeSpace version 1.8 GivingThanks version 1.1 GodsValentine version 1.4 Happiness Version 1.1 HushNow version 1.4 LunarLander version 1.4 MissionImpossible version 1.5 MusicMenu Version 1.6 OutlookSaveAllAttachments version 1.3 PlayBack version 1.6 PrayerForTheDay version 1.4 PrimeNumbers version 1.2 PromisesOfGod version 1.4 RefreshSets version 1.4 RomanNumerals version 1.4 ScriptComments version 1.1 Spelling Practice Version 1.1 SpellingTest version 1.7 StatesGame version 1.5 TextToClip version 1.8 TwelveGifts version 1.4 WEHotkeys version 1.5 WEPMInfo version 1.5 WordScramble version 1.7 Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/carogsmith%40embarqmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
I agree with you. It could be done but like you say it would be a massive undertaking, not to mention the cost. Chris Grabowski Mystic Access Where the magic is in learning. https://www.MysticAccess.com Ready to begin using your assistive technology with confidence while actually having fun? Visit us to learn about our comprehensive audio tutorials, one-on-one support and ongoing teleclasses. We also offer eclectic and timely assistive technology podcasts, a newsletter containing exclusive news and discounts, regularly updated free downloads, and so much more. Contact: Phone: (716) 543-3323 (Ext. 500) Twitter: MysticAccess Facebook: mysticaccessempower On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 00:21:03 + Nick Sarames via Talk wrote: > What would be the benefit in thisfor the individuals who would set up > your proposed mall? Who would pay for it? > > On 7/21/2017 3:05 PM, David via Talk wrote: > > Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the > > final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they will turn > > down the lists, my guess is. Perhaps the only reason why they still keep > > the lists running, and App Central up, is that people actually make use > > of them. > > > > > > If now, they will not allow updates to be posted, that would mean noone > > would use the App Central, so it is all good to hit the road for the > > trash-bin. And, the day too few people are active on the list, down > > which road does that take them? :) > > > > > > Or, are they just awaiting the next failure of the server, then all the > > sudden just determining that no more service will be done on the > > machine, and we are left in the blue. The biggest trouble I find, is > > that VFO simply do not care to inform anyone. They sit there till things > > have reached a point, then just pull the plug. And if they even can pull > > the plug unnoticed, that is their fun. Or, why have we seen no > > announcement of the decision not to update apps, anything before. Too > > sad, as that will make it very hard for developers to do what they > > actually could, to make the screen reader stay up-to-date with the > > newest technologies out there. > > > > > > Someone setting up a server, might be a good idea. And first it has to > > be done from scratch, why not open a service that would offer users a > > cross-platform service. That is, it could hold not only an app store, > > but a whole app mall. What I am suggesting is, go to the new app mall, > > and here open the link for WinEyes, if that is your screen reader. You > > will have the chance to pick and choose from WE apps. Or, if you are a > > Jaws user, go to ap mall, open the Jaws link, and choose apps from the > > list. Same with NVDA. > > > > > > Sure, no apps are going to show up in all the sections, but if you > > compare it with a real mall, you don't get milk in the sportsware store > > either, do you. The big benefit of a combined service, would be that > > people had ONE place to go, no matter which screen reader they used. It > > might even encourage app developers, when they see, and read about, the > > different apps for other screen readers. That way, maybe some developers > > would be able to come up with more cross-platform like solutions. Of > > course, it even could have a subsection for IPhone apps, or those for > > Android, that are specialldesigned for visually impaired. Or, at least, > > it could hold some reviews of such apps. Further, if there could be a > > place for developers to go, and pick up articles and tutorials for how > > to build apps under different environments, this could be yet another > > way of encouraging more new apps and features to see the market, under > > any of the screen readers covered. > > > > > > Thing is, I wonder how long we have to get things going. As the end-date > > of the Jaws transmission offer draws near, I have a tiny feeling we > > might not see the list servers upp running, all that much longer. OK, > > they might be using external servers, but I don't know if there is a > > subscription for them to keep renewed, in such a case, likely it won't > > be kept alive. > > > > > > If anyone here thinks I am trying to be all negative, let me appologize. > > My one and only point was to accept the facts, sad as they are, and > > suggest that something else could be done to at least get the best out > > of the existing situation. > > > > > > On 7/21/2017 7:50 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: > >> I would certainly be interested in such a thing if somebody co
RE: updated all of my 35 apps
Not to menschen that the two brothers gloated about the demise of Window-Eyes on a tech talk presentation. They're JAWS beta testers and they are so bias that they actually delighted in announcing Window-Eyes demise. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:16 PM To: mattc...@verizon.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps Besides, could you imagine the uproar there would be (among Jaws users) if they discontinued Jaws? Oh the humanity. On 7/21/2017 3:26 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: > No amount of uproar will chnge this course, I'm afraid.--Matthew Chao > > > > On 7/21/2017 12:50 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >> Very sad what is happening and has happened. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:08 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 >> apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app >> central will be allowed. >> Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an >> unnecessary termination of services which all of the current >> Window-Eyes users are using. >> I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more >> updates will be approved. >> Jeff Weiss >> >> >> >> From: Bryan Carver >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM >> To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com >> Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> Hi Jeff, >> >> I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately >> not be posting any further updates for apps. >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified >> >> VFO™ | Director Technical Support >> >> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 >> >> T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 >> >> bcar...@vfogroup.com >> >> www.vfogroup.com >> >> How am I doing? Let >> >> Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! >> >> >> >> From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM >> To: wesupp...@aisquared.com >> Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> >> I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my >> Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have >> not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I >> updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come >> to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these >> updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jeff Weiss >> >> jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Jeff Weiss >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM >> >> To: wesupp...@aisquared.com >> >> Subject: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> >> I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. >> >> Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come >> to my home email address. >> >> The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: >> >> >> AppsActive >> >> version 2.3 >> >> >> AssertiveChristian >> >> Version 1.1 >> >> >> BrailleQuiz >> >> Version 1.7 >> >> >> BrowseModeStatus >> >> version 1.3 >> >> >> Celebrate >> >> Version 1.1 >> >> >> Christmas >> >> version 1.3 >> >> >> DailyBlessings >> >> version 2.0 >> >> >> DailyProverbs >> >> version 1.3 >> >> >> Daily Psalms >> >> version 1.1 >> >> >> EasterBlessing >> >> version 1.1 >> >> >> ErrorList >> >> version 1.7 >> >> >> FreeSpace >> >> version 1.8 >> >> >> GivingThanks >> >> version 1.1 >> >> >> GodsValentine >> >> version 1.4 >> >> >> Happiness >> >> Version 1.1 >> >> >> HushNow >> >> version 1.4 >> >> >> LunarLander >> >> version 1.4 >> &
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What would be the benefit in thisfor the individuals who would set up your proposed mall? Who would pay for it? On 7/21/2017 3:05 PM, David via Talk wrote: > Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the > final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they will turn > down the lists, my guess is. Perhaps the only reason why they still keep > the lists running, and App Central up, is that people actually make use > of them. > > > If now, they will not allow updates to be posted, that would mean noone > would use the App Central, so it is all good to hit the road for the > trash-bin. And, the day too few people are active on the list, down > which road does that take them? :) > > > Or, are they just awaiting the next failure of the server, then all the > sudden just determining that no more service will be done on the > machine, and we are left in the blue. The biggest trouble I find, is > that VFO simply do not care to inform anyone. They sit there till things > have reached a point, then just pull the plug. And if they even can pull > the plug unnoticed, that is their fun. Or, why have we seen no > announcement of the decision not to update apps, anything before. Too > sad, as that will make it very hard for developers to do what they > actually could, to make the screen reader stay up-to-date with the > newest technologies out there. > > > Someone setting up a server, might be a good idea. And first it has to > be done from scratch, why not open a service that would offer users a > cross-platform service. That is, it could hold not only an app store, > but a whole app mall. What I am suggesting is, go to the new app mall, > and here open the link for WinEyes, if that is your screen reader. You > will have the chance to pick and choose from WE apps. Or, if you are a > Jaws user, go to ap mall, open the Jaws link, and choose apps from the > list. Same with NVDA. > > > Sure, no apps are going to show up in all the sections, but if you > compare it with a real mall, you don't get milk in the sportsware store > either, do you. The big benefit of a combined service, would be that > people had ONE place to go, no matter which screen reader they used. It > might even encourage app developers, when they see, and read about, the > different apps for other screen readers. That way, maybe some developers > would be able to come up with more cross-platform like solutions. Of > course, it even could have a subsection for IPhone apps, or those for > Android, that are specialldesigned for visually impaired. Or, at least, > it could hold some reviews of such apps. Further, if there could be a > place for developers to go, and pick up articles and tutorials for how > to build apps under different environments, this could be yet another > way of encouraging more new apps and features to see the market, under > any of the screen readers covered. > > > Thing is, I wonder how long we have to get things going. As the end-date > of the Jaws transmission offer draws near, I have a tiny feeling we > might not see the list servers upp running, all that much longer. OK, > they might be using external servers, but I don't know if there is a > subscription for them to keep renewed, in such a case, likely it won't > be kept alive. > > > If anyone here thinks I am trying to be all negative, let me appologize. > My one and only point was to accept the facts, sad as they are, and > suggest that something else could be done to at least get the best out > of the existing situation. > > > On 7/21/2017 7:50 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: >> I would certainly be interested in such a thing if somebody could set >> it up. >> I am thinking of a Window-eyes app page which is privately run. It >> could be an app repository, or it might include more things, like a >> new Window-eyes list, etc. >> Jeff Weiss >> >> >> -Original Message- From: John Farley >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:18 AM >> To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> Dear Jeff, >> >> Some of us do intend to use Window-Eyes as long as it is viable. >> >> Would it be possible to place your updated apps on a public folder >> somewhere where we could still access them? >> >> >> >> Regards, John >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 >> Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk >> [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] >> On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk >> Sent: Friday, Jul
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
Besides, could you imagine the uproar there would be (among Jaws users) if they discontinued Jaws? Oh the humanity. On 7/21/2017 3:26 PM, Matthew Chao via Talk wrote: > No amount of uproar will chnge this course, I'm afraid.--Matthew Chao > > > > On 7/21/2017 12:50 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: >> Very sad what is happening and has happened. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On >> Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:08 AM >> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List >> Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 >> apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app >> central will be allowed. >> Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an >> unnecessary termination of services which all of the current >> Window-Eyes users are using. >> I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more >> updates will be approved. >> Jeff Weiss >> >> >> >> From: Bryan Carver >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM >> To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com >> Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> Hi Jeff, >> >> I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately >> not be posting any further updates for apps. >> >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified >> >> VFO™ | Director Technical Support >> >> 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 >> >> T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 >> >> bcar...@vfogroup.com >> >> www.vfogroup.com >> >> How am I doing? Let >> >> Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! >> >> >> >> From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM >> To: wesupp...@aisquared.com >> Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> >> I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes >> apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard >> anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of >> the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home >> address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be >> posted, or let me know if there is some problem. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jeff Weiss >> >> jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Jeff Weiss >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM >> >> To: wesupp...@aisquared.com >> >> Subject: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> >> I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. >> >> Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to >> my home email address. >> >> The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: >> >> >> AppsActive >> >> version 2.3 >> >> >> AssertiveChristian >> >> Version 1.1 >> >> >> BrailleQuiz >> >> Version 1.7 >> >> >> BrowseModeStatus >> >> version 1.3 >> >> >> Celebrate >> >> Version 1.1 >> >> >> Christmas >> >> version 1.3 >> >> >> DailyBlessings >> >> version 2.0 >> >> >> DailyProverbs >> >> version 1.3 >> >> >> Daily Psalms >> >> version 1.1 >> >> >> EasterBlessing >> >> version 1.1 >> >> >> ErrorList >> >> version 1.7 >> >> >> FreeSpace >> >> version 1.8 >> >> >> GivingThanks >> >> version 1.1 >> >> >> GodsValentine >> >> version 1.4 >> >> >> Happiness >> >> Version 1.1 >> >> >> HushNow >> >> version 1.4 >> >> >> LunarLander >> >> version 1.4 >> >> >> MissionImpossible >> >> version 1.5 >> >> >> MusicMenu >> >> Version 1.6 >> >> >> OutlookSaveAllAttachments >> >> version 1.3 >> >> >> PlayBack >> >> version 1.6 >> >> >> PrayerForTheDay >> >> version 1.4 >> >> >> PrimeNumbers >> >> version 1.2 >> >> >> PromisesOfGod >> >> versio
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Hi Brenda. Sky here. Having a app mall would be amazing! Unfortunately I don't have the skills to set up one, otherwise I would set up a app mall! -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:53 PM To: David via Talk Subject: App mall was Re: updated all of my 35 apps The app mall is an excellent idea if there is someone talented and motivated enough to set it up. Back in the day GW encouraged people to make their apps and websites accessible to screen reader users. An app mall would be a good place for them to get info about how to go about it since they can no longer contact GW. Apple has always encouraged app developers to make their apps accessible, so even links to the appropriate Apple webpage would also be a good idea. I am clueless about jaws scripts and do use a few W-e apps and maybe someday will work on learning NVDA. Having jaws and NVDA scripts along with Window-eyes apps in the same place would be very handy for end users too. As for the server, I think it was moved when it disappeared for a while during June +-. Doug said something to the effect that as long as we kept topics relevant VFO would probably keep this server running. But it appears Doug is gone and there is no one to look out for W-e user interests at VFO. Not sure if Aaron Smith is still at VFO - he may be our only hope. Or perhaps a long-shot would be pleading our case with Eric Damery (sp). as a Window-eyes user, I find this list very helpful as I occasionally try to use jaws. I just can't seem to stick with jaws because I think in Window-eyes. At least on my win7 machine things should work fine for a while. I'm keeping emails so if this list does disappear suddenly I will at least be able to contact some folks. If something happens all of a sudden, maybe we could all meet on the Blind Tech list or the jaws list (not sure what the contact info is) or another list someone mentions in response to my email. Brenda On 7/21/2017 3:05 PM, David via Talk wrote: > Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the > final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they will > turn down the lists, my guess is. Perhaps the only reason why they > still keep the lists running, and App Central up, is that people > actually make use of them. > > > If now, they will not allow updates to be posted, that would mean > noone would use the App Central, so it is all good to hit the road for > the trash-bin. And, the day too few people are active on the list, > down which road does that take them? :) > > > Or, are they just awaiting the next failure of the server, then all > the sudden just determining that no more service will be done on the > machine, and we are left in the blue. The biggest trouble I find, is > that VFO simply do not care to inform anyone. They sit there till > things have reached a point, then just pull the plug. And if they even > can pull the plug unnoticed, that is their fun. Or, why have we seen > no announcement of the decision not to update apps, anything before. > Too sad, as that will make it very hard for developers to do what they > actually could, to make the screen reader stay up-to-date with the > newest technologies out there. > > > Someone setting up a server, might be a good idea. And first it has to > be done from scratch, why not open a service that would offer users a > cross-platform service. That is, it could hold not only an app store, > but a whole app mall. What I am suggesting is, go to the new app mall, > and here open the link for WinEyes, if that is your screen reader. You > will have the chance to pick and choose from WE apps. Or, if you are a > Jaws user, go to ap mall, open the Jaws link, and choose apps from the > list. Same with NVDA. > > > Sure, no apps are going to show up in all the sections, but if you > compare it with a real mall, you don't get milk in the sportsware > store either, do you. The big benefit of a combined service, would be > that people had ONE place to go, no matter which screen reader they > used. It might even encourage app developers, when they see, and read > about, the different apps for other screen readers. That way, maybe > some developers would be able to come up with more cross-platform like > solutions. Of course, it even could have a subsection for IPhone apps, > or those for Android, that are specialldesigned for visually impaired. > Or, at least, it could hold some reviews of such apps. Further, if > there could be a place for developers to go, and pick up articles and > tutorials for how to build apps under different environments, this > could be yet another way of encouragi
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Hi Charles I totally agree with you -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Charles Adkins via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:20 PM To: David; Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps Honestly when they decided to discontinue Window-eyes they already said it all. Window-eyes in their minds is gone and the only reason for its existance is to act as a vehicle to gain more users for Jaws. Why is it so hard to find scripts for Jaws? A lot of things are a lot more difficult with Jaws. It is very very sad all this has happened. Window-eyes outperforms Jaws on mlb.com and tunein.com and many other sites. Oh well, it is what it is, thanks for reading. Jaws does seem to work beter in some embedded players as far as reading controls. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2017, at 3:05 PM, David via Talk > wrote: > > Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the > final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they will > turn down the lists, my guess is. Perhaps the only reason why they > still keep the lists running, and App Central up, is that people > actually make use of them. > > > If now, they will not allow updates to be posted, that would mean > noone would use the App Central, so it is all good to hit the road for > the trash-bin. And, the day too few people are active on the list, > down which road does that take them? :) > > > Or, are they just awaiting the next failure of the server, then all > the sudden just determining that no more service will be done on the > machine, and we are left in the blue. The biggest trouble I find, is > that VFO simply do not care to inform anyone. They sit there till > things have reached a point, then just pull the plug. And if they even > can pull the plug unnoticed, that is their fun. Or, why have we seen > no announcement of the decision not to update apps, anything before. > Too sad, as that will make it very hard for developers to do what they > actually could, to make the screen reader stay up-to-date with the > newest technologies out there. > > > Someone setting up a server, might be a good idea. And first it has to > be done from scratch, why not open a service that would offer users a > cross-platform service. That is, it could hold not only an app store, > but a whole app mall. What I am suggesting is, go to the new app mall, > and here open the link for WinEyes, if that is your screen reader. You > will have the chance to pick and choose from WE apps. Or, if you are a > Jaws user, go to ap mall, open the Jaws link, and choose apps from the > list. Same with NVDA. > > > Sure, no apps are going to show up in all the sections, but if you > compare it with a real mall, you don't get milk in the sportsware > store either, do you. The big benefit of a combined service, would be > that people had ONE place to go, no matter which screen reader they > used. It might even encourage app developers, when they see, and read > about, the different apps for other screen readers. That way, maybe > some developers would be able to come up with more cross-platform like > solutions. Of course, it even could have a subsection for IPhone apps, > or those for Android, that are specialldesigned for visually impaired. > Or, at least, it could hold some reviews of such apps. Further, if > there could be a place for developers to go, and pick up articles and > tutorials for how to build apps under different environments, this > could be yet another way of encouraging more new apps and features to > see the market, under any of the screen readers covered. > > > Thing is, I wonder how long we have to get things going. As the > end-date of the Jaws transmission offer draws near, I have a tiny > feeling we might not see the list servers upp running, all that much > longer. OK, they might be using external servers, but I don't know if > there is a subscription for them to keep renewed, in such a case, > likely it won't be kept alive. > > > If anyone here thinks I am trying to be all negative, let me appologize. > My one and only point was to accept the facts, sad as they are, and > suggest that something else could be done to at least get the best out > of the existing situation. > > >> On 7/21/2017 7:50 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: >> I would certainly be interested in such a thing if somebody could set >> it up. >> I am thinking of a Window-eyes app page which is privately run. It >> could be an app repository, or it might include more things, like a >> new Window-eyes list, etc. >> Jeff Weiss >> >> >> -
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at least get the best out of the existing situation. On 7/21/2017 7:50 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: I would certainly be interested in such a thing if somebody could set it up. I am thinking of a Window-eyes app page which is privately run. It could be an app repository, or it might include more things, like a new Window-eyes list, etc. Jeff Weiss -Original Message- From: John Farley Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:18 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Dear Jeff, Some of us do intend to use Window-Eyes as long as it is viable. Would it be possible to place your updated apps on a public folder somewhere where we could still access them? Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:08 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be posting any further updates for apps. Best Regards, Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified VFO� | Director Technical Support 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 bcar...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com How am I doing? Let Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It�s been several days, and I have not heard anything�nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net From: Jeff Weiss Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: updated all of my 35 apps I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home email address. The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: AppsActive version 2.3 AssertiveChristian Version 1.1 BrailleQuiz Version 1.7 BrowseModeStatus version 1.3 Celebrate Version 1.1 Christmas version 1.3 DailyBlessings version 2.0 DailyProverbs version 1.3 Daily Psalms version 1.1 EasterBlessing version 1.1 ErrorList version 1.7 FreeSpace version 1.8 GivingThanks version 1.1 GodsValentine version 1.4 Happiness Version 1.1 HushNow version 1.4 LunarLander version 1.4 MissionImpossible version 1.5 MusicMenu Version 1.6 OutlookSaveAllAttachments version 1.3 PlayBack version 1.6 PrayerForTheDay version 1.4 PrimeNumbers version 1.2 PromisesOfGod version 1.4 RefreshSets version 1.4 RomanNumerals version 1.4 ScriptComments version 1.1 Spelling Practice Version 1.1 SpellingTest version 1.7 StatesGame version 1.5 TextToClip version 1.8 TwelveGifts version 1.4 WEHotkeys version 1.5 WEPMInfo version 1.5 WordScramble version 1.7 Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/trailerdavid%40hotmail.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at ht
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No amount of uproar will chnge this course, I'm afraid.--Matthew Chao On 7/21/2017 12:50 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote: Very sad what is happening and has happened. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:08 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be posting any further updates for apps. Best Regards, Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified VFO™ | Director Technical Support 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 bcar...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com How am I doing? Let Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net From: Jeff Weiss Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: updated all of my 35 apps I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home email address. The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: AppsActive version 2.3 AssertiveChristian Version 1.1 BrailleQuiz Version 1.7 BrowseModeStatus version 1.3 Celebrate Version 1.1 Christmas version 1.3 DailyBlessings version 2.0 DailyProverbs version 1.3 Daily Psalms version 1.1 EasterBlessing version 1.1 ErrorList version 1.7 FreeSpace version 1.8 GivingThanks version 1.1 GodsValentine version 1.4 Happiness Version 1.1 HushNow version 1.4 LunarLander version 1.4 MissionImpossible version 1.5 MusicMenu Version 1.6 OutlookSaveAllAttachments version 1.3 PlayBack version 1.6 PrayerForTheDay version 1.4 PrimeNumbers version 1.2 PromisesOfGod version 1.4 RefreshSets version 1.4 RomanNumerals version 1.4 ScriptComments version 1.1 Spelling Practice Version 1.1 SpellingTest version 1.7 StatesGame version 1.5 TextToClip version 1.8 TwelveGifts version 1.4 WEHotkeys version 1.5 WEPMInfo version 1.5 WordScramble version 1.7 Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/mattchao%40verizon.net. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
Honestly when they decided to discontinue Window-eyes they already said it all. Window-eyes in their minds is gone and the only reason for its existance is to act as a vehicle to gain more users for Jaws. Why is it so hard to find scripts for Jaws? A lot of things are a lot more difficult with Jaws. It is very very sad all this has happened. Window-eyes outperforms Jaws on mlb.com and tunein.com and many other sites. Oh well, it is what it is, thanks for reading. Jaws does seem to work beter in some embedded players as far as reading controls. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2017, at 3:05 PM, David via Talk > wrote: > > Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the > final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they will turn > down the lists, my guess is. Perhaps the only reason why they still keep > the lists running, and App Central up, is that people actually make use > of them. > > > If now, they will not allow updates to be posted, that would mean noone > would use the App Central, so it is all good to hit the road for the > trash-bin. And, the day too few people are active on the list, down > which road does that take them? :) > > > Or, are they just awaiting the next failure of the server, then all the > sudden just determining that no more service will be done on the > machine, and we are left in the blue. The biggest trouble I find, is > that VFO simply do not care to inform anyone. They sit there till things > have reached a point, then just pull the plug. And if they even can pull > the plug unnoticed, that is their fun. Or, why have we seen no > announcement of the decision not to update apps, anything before. Too > sad, as that will make it very hard for developers to do what they > actually could, to make the screen reader stay up-to-date with the > newest technologies out there. > > > Someone setting up a server, might be a good idea. And first it has to > be done from scratch, why not open a service that would offer users a > cross-platform service. That is, it could hold not only an app store, > but a whole app mall. What I am suggesting is, go to the new app mall, > and here open the link for WinEyes, if that is your screen reader. You > will have the chance to pick and choose from WE apps. Or, if you are a > Jaws user, go to ap mall, open the Jaws link, and choose apps from the > list. Same with NVDA. > > > Sure, no apps are going to show up in all the sections, but if you > compare it with a real mall, you don't get milk in the sportsware store > either, do you. The big benefit of a combined service, would be that > people had ONE place to go, no matter which screen reader they used. It > might even encourage app developers, when they see, and read about, the > different apps for other screen readers. That way, maybe some developers > would be able to come up with more cross-platform like solutions. Of > course, it even could have a subsection for IPhone apps, or those for > Android, that are specialldesigned for visually impaired. Or, at least, > it could hold some reviews of such apps. Further, if there could be a > place for developers to go, and pick up articles and tutorials for how > to build apps under different environments, this could be yet another > way of encouraging more new apps and features to see the market, under > any of the screen readers covered. > > > Thing is, I wonder how long we have to get things going. As the end-date > of the Jaws transmission offer draws near, I have a tiny feeling we > might not see the list servers upp running, all that much longer. OK, > they might be using external servers, but I don't know if there is a > subscription for them to keep renewed, in such a case, likely it won't > be kept alive. > > > If anyone here thinks I am trying to be all negative, let me appologize. > My one and only point was to accept the facts, sad as they are, and > suggest that something else could be done to at least get the best out > of the existing situation. > > >> On 7/21/2017 7:50 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: >> I would certainly be interested in such a thing if somebody could set >> it up. >> I am thinking of a Window-eyes app page which is privately run. It >> could be an app repository, or it might include more things, like a >> new Window-eyes list, etc. >> Jeff Weiss >> >> >> -Original Message- From: John Farley >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:18 AM >> To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' >> Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps >> >> Dear Jeff, >> >> Some of us do inten
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
Unfortunately, seems like this is yet another way they try to push the final point of WE as quickly as possible. Next thing is, they will turn down the lists, my guess is. Perhaps the only reason why they still keep the lists running, and App Central up, is that people actually make use of them. If now, they will not allow updates to be posted, that would mean noone would use the App Central, so it is all good to hit the road for the trash-bin. And, the day too few people are active on the list, down which road does that take them? :) Or, are they just awaiting the next failure of the server, then all the sudden just determining that no more service will be done on the machine, and we are left in the blue. The biggest trouble I find, is that VFO simply do not care to inform anyone. They sit there till things have reached a point, then just pull the plug. And if they even can pull the plug unnoticed, that is their fun. Or, why have we seen no announcement of the decision not to update apps, anything before. Too sad, as that will make it very hard for developers to do what they actually could, to make the screen reader stay up-to-date with the newest technologies out there. Someone setting up a server, might be a good idea. And first it has to be done from scratch, why not open a service that would offer users a cross-platform service. That is, it could hold not only an app store, but a whole app mall. What I am suggesting is, go to the new app mall, and here open the link for WinEyes, if that is your screen reader. You will have the chance to pick and choose from WE apps. Or, if you are a Jaws user, go to ap mall, open the Jaws link, and choose apps from the list. Same with NVDA. Sure, no apps are going to show up in all the sections, but if you compare it with a real mall, you don't get milk in the sportsware store either, do you. The big benefit of a combined service, would be that people had ONE place to go, no matter which screen reader they used. It might even encourage app developers, when they see, and read about, the different apps for other screen readers. That way, maybe some developers would be able to come up with more cross-platform like solutions. Of course, it even could have a subsection for IPhone apps, or those for Android, that are specialldesigned for visually impaired. Or, at least, it could hold some reviews of such apps. Further, if there could be a place for developers to go, and pick up articles and tutorials for how to build apps under different environments, this could be yet another way of encouraging more new apps and features to see the market, under any of the screen readers covered. Thing is, I wonder how long we have to get things going. As the end-date of the Jaws transmission offer draws near, I have a tiny feeling we might not see the list servers upp running, all that much longer. OK, they might be using external servers, but I don't know if there is a subscription for them to keep renewed, in such a case, likely it won't be kept alive. If anyone here thinks I am trying to be all negative, let me appologize. My one and only point was to accept the facts, sad as they are, and suggest that something else could be done to at least get the best out of the existing situation. On 7/21/2017 7:50 PM, Jeff Weiss via Talk wrote: > I would certainly be interested in such a thing if somebody could set > it up. > I am thinking of a Window-eyes app page which is privately run. It > could be an app repository, or it might include more things, like a > new Window-eyes list, etc. > Jeff Weiss > > > -Original Message- From: John Farley > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:18 AM > To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' > Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps > > Dear Jeff, > > Some of us do intend to use Window-Eyes as long as it is viable. > > Would it be possible to place your updated apps on a public folder > somewhere where we could still access them? > > > > Regards, John > > Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 > Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Talk > [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:08 PM > To: Window-Eyes Discussion List > Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps > > I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 > apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app > central will be allowed. > Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an > unnecessary termination of services which all of the current > Window-Eyes users are using. > I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more > updates will be approved. > Jeff Weiss > >
Re: updated all of my 35 apps
I would certainly be interested in such a thing if somebody could set it up. I am thinking of a Window-eyes app page which is privately run. It could be an app repository, or it might include more things, like a new Window-eyes list, etc. Jeff Weiss -Original Message- From: John Farley Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:18 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Dear Jeff, Some of us do intend to use Window-Eyes as long as it is viable. Would it be possible to place your updated apps on a public folder somewhere where we could still access them? Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:08 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be posting any further updates for apps. Best Regards, Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified VFO� | Director Technical Support 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 bcar...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com How am I doing? Let Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It�s been several days, and I have not heard anything�nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net From: Jeff Weiss Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: updated all of my 35 apps I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home email address. The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: AppsActive version 2.3 AssertiveChristian Version 1.1 BrailleQuiz Version 1.7 BrowseModeStatus version 1.3 Celebrate Version 1.1 Christmas version 1.3 DailyBlessings version 2.0 DailyProverbs version 1.3 Daily Psalms version 1.1 EasterBlessing version 1.1 ErrorList version 1.7 FreeSpace version 1.8 GivingThanks version 1.1 GodsValentine version 1.4 Happiness Version 1.1 HushNow version 1.4 LunarLander version 1.4 MissionImpossible version 1.5 MusicMenu Version 1.6 OutlookSaveAllAttachments version 1.3 PlayBack version 1.6 PrayerForTheDay version 1.4 PrimeNumbers version 1.2 PromisesOfGod version 1.4 RefreshSets version 1.4 RomanNumerals version 1.4 ScriptComments version 1.1 Spelling Practice Version 1.1 SpellingTest version 1.7 StatesGame version 1.5 TextToClip version 1.8 TwelveGifts version 1.4 WEHotkeys version 1.5 WEPMInfo version 1.5 WordScramble version 1.7 Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: updated all of my 35 apps
Very sad what is happening and has happened. -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:08 AM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be posting any further updates for apps. Best Regards, Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified VFO™ | Director Technical Support 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 bcar...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com How am I doing? Let Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net From: Jeff Weiss Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: updated all of my 35 apps I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home email address. The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: AppsActive version 2.3 AssertiveChristian Version 1.1 BrailleQuiz Version 1.7 BrowseModeStatus version 1.3 Celebrate Version 1.1 Christmas version 1.3 DailyBlessings version 2.0 DailyProverbs version 1.3 Daily Psalms version 1.1 EasterBlessing version 1.1 ErrorList version 1.7 FreeSpace version 1.8 GivingThanks version 1.1 GodsValentine version 1.4 Happiness Version 1.1 HushNow version 1.4 LunarLander version 1.4 MissionImpossible version 1.5 MusicMenu Version 1.6 OutlookSaveAllAttachments version 1.3 PlayBack version 1.6 PrayerForTheDay version 1.4 PrimeNumbers version 1.2 PromisesOfGod version 1.4 RefreshSets version 1.4 RomanNumerals version 1.4 ScriptComments version 1.1 Spelling Practice Version 1.1 SpellingTest version 1.7 StatesGame version 1.5 TextToClip version 1.8 TwelveGifts version 1.4 WEHotkeys version 1.5 WEPMInfo version 1.5 WordScramble version 1.7 Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/skyt%40shaw.ca. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
RE: updated all of my 35 apps
Dear Jeff, Some of us do intend to use Window-Eyes as long as it is viable. Would it be possible to place your updated apps on a public folder somewhere where we could still access them? Regards, John Tel: +44 (0) 1442 259243 Mob: +44 (0) 7815 056076 -Original Message- From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Weiss via Talk Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:08 PM To: Window-Eyes Discussion List Subject: Fw: updated all of my 35 apps I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be posting any further updates for apps. Best Regards, Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified VFO� | Director Technical Support 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 bcar...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com How am I doing? Let Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It�s been several days, and I have not heard anything�nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net From: Jeff Weiss Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: updated all of my 35 apps I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home email address. The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: AppsActive version 2.3 AssertiveChristian Version 1.1 BrailleQuiz Version 1.7 BrowseModeStatus version 1.3 Celebrate Version 1.1 Christmas version 1.3 DailyBlessings version 2.0 DailyProverbs version 1.3 Daily Psalms version 1.1 EasterBlessing version 1.1 ErrorList version 1.7 FreeSpace version 1.8 GivingThanks version 1.1 GodsValentine version 1.4 Happiness Version 1.1 HushNow version 1.4 LunarLander version 1.4 MissionImpossible version 1.5 MusicMenu Version 1.6 OutlookSaveAllAttachments version 1.3 PlayBack version 1.6 PrayerForTheDay version 1.4 PrimeNumbers version 1.2 PromisesOfGod version 1.4 RefreshSets version 1.4 RomanNumerals version 1.4 ScriptComments version 1.1 Spelling Practice Version 1.1 SpellingTest version 1.7 StatesGame version 1.5 TextToClip version 1.8 TwelveGifts version 1.4 WEHotkeys version 1.5 WEPMInfo version 1.5 WordScramble version 1.7 Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/john_farley%40btinternet.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
Fw: updated all of my 35 apps
I just wrote to wesupp...@aisquared.com about updating all of my 35 apps. From the response I just received, no more updates to app central will be allowed. Even while the web site is active, this seems to be just an unnecessary termination of services which all of the current Window-Eyes users are using. I already posted all of the updates a week ago, but aparently no more updates will be approved. Jeff Weiss From: Bryan Carver Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:55 AM To: 'Jeff Weiss' ; wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: RE: updated all of my 35 apps Hi Jeff, I am not exactly sure what you are asking, but we will unfortunately not be posting any further updates for apps. Best Regards, Bryan Carver JAWS & MAGic Certified VFO™ | Director Technical Support 11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716 T 800-444-4443 Ext 1026 bcar...@vfogroup.com www.vfogroup.com How am I doing? Let Ruth Lutes, VP of Customer Success and Quality know! From: Jeff Weiss [mailto:jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 11:50 AM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: Re: updated all of my 35 apps I am writing to see if there is a problem with updating my Window-Eyes apps on App Central. It’s been several days, and I have not heard anything—nor have I seen the updated apps come out. I updated all of the 35 apps below so that any error messages will come to my home address since I am now retired. Please allow these updates to be posted, or let me know if there is some problem. Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net From: Jeff Weiss Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 9:42 PM To: wesupp...@aisquared.com Subject: updated all of my 35 apps I just realized that I had my app error messages coming to work. Since I am now retired, I updated all of the error messages to come to my home email address. The list of apps and their newly changed versions are as follows: AppsActive version 2.3 AssertiveChristian Version 1.1 BrailleQuiz Version 1.7 BrowseModeStatus version 1.3 Celebrate Version 1.1 Christmas version 1.3 DailyBlessings version 2.0 DailyProverbs version 1.3 Daily Psalms version 1.1 EasterBlessing version 1.1 ErrorList version 1.7 FreeSpace version 1.8 GivingThanks version 1.1 GodsValentine version 1.4 Happiness Version 1.1 HushNow version 1.4 LunarLander version 1.4 MissionImpossible version 1.5 MusicMenu Version 1.6 OutlookSaveAllAttachments version 1.3 PlayBack version 1.6 PrayerForTheDay version 1.4 PrimeNumbers version 1.2 PromisesOfGod version 1.4 RefreshSets version 1.4 RomanNumerals version 1.4 ScriptComments version 1.1 Spelling Practice Version 1.1 SpellingTest version 1.7 StatesGame version 1.5 TextToClip version 1.8 TwelveGifts version 1.4 WEHotkeys version 1.5 WEPMInfo version 1.5 WordScramble version 1.7 Thanks, Jeff Weiss jeff-we...@sbcglobal.net ___ Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared. For membership options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/options.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com/archive%40mail-archive.com. For subscription options, visit http://lists.window-eyes.com/listinfo.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com List archives can be found at http://lists.window-eyes.com/private.cgi/talk-window-eyes.com
