Re: [OSM-talk] Downloading map images (update to MapOf)

2008-05-22 Thread Stefan Baebler
OJ W wrote:
> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/GetMap/layers_xml.php
>>> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/GetMap/layers_source.php
>>> i.e. a list of free tileservers.  Are there any layers we should
>>> add/remove from that list?  Are the fields sufficient for other
>>> peoples' uses?

few minor improvements:
- Add trailing slash in the URL of osmarender tiles
   http://tah.openstreetmap.org/Tiles/tile"/>
   to have it written uniformly
- minZoom (defaulting 1) & maxZoom levels (mapnik vs. osmarender tiles)
- bbox (if limited to not cover whole world, such as slovakia)
- slippy URLs could include layers parameter to go directly to that 
layer in browser

Maybe adding lat, lon & zoom parameters would also go to specific 
location...khm, but parameter namse can differ over sites, so it would 
have to be sth like

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat={lat}&lon={lon}&zoom={zoom}&layers=0BFT
but that won't work if parameters are not known (url 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=&lon=&zoom=&layers=0BFT shows nothing)
, so they'd need to be taken out or have all that info in an additional 
parameter named slippyPermalink or so.
(eg i want my phone to send permalinks, not just coordinates, so that 
recipient can go directly to my cycling/skiing/road map and see my 
whereabouts).

Permalink URLs accepting degrees or some arbitrary openlayers units as 
parameters is another issue, out of the scope here.

Is that stored in some db? It could be put in main db as nodes tagged 
with config=slippy_map_layer and all other keys? Clients could then 
fetch it from osmxapi ... that would be convinient, but abusing the main 
DB and opening clients to abuse by editors :)
Probably having it in SVN is better than abusing the DB.

Stefan

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Re: [OSM-talk] How can wide intersections be mapped?

2008-05-22 Thread Shaun McDonald
Do you have some photos of this junction?

On 23 May 2008, at 01:01, David Muir Sharnoff wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out how to represent an intersection that
> is very wide: a traffic circle could placed in the middle without
> moving the edges.
>
> I've tried adding extra ways for various ways across the
> expanse but it doesn't look right.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.845598&lon=-122.236367&zoom=18&layers=B0FT
>
> Thanks,
> -Dave
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Re: [OSM-talk] How can wide intersections be mapped?

2008-05-22 Thread Robert Vollmert
On May 23, 2008, at 02:01, David Muir Sharnoff wrote:

> I'm trying to figure out how to represent an intersection that
> is very wide: a traffic circle could placed in the middle without
> moving the edges.
>
> I've tried adding extra ways for various ways across the
> expanse but it doesn't look right.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.845598&lon=-122.236367&zoom=18&layers=B0FT
>

The area=yes highway=residential that's there now looks like a good  
solution. It's not clear it will render well, though.

Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
SteveC  asklater.com> writes:

> 
> I discovered that people are just rectifying using google aerial and  
> stuff, which breaks our paranoid/cautious stance on accepting  
> copyright derived work.

I speak now only about the i-cubed Landsat layer because OpenAerialMap does not
have anything better from Finland. Perhaps there is some fundamental difference
in copyrights when making drawings on top of the same i-cubed imagery that is
delivered either through Yahoo or OpenAerialMap, but for sure there is a big
practical difference: OpenAerialMap was giving more zooming levels.  I am
missing those.

-Jukka Rahkonen-


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[OSM-talk] How can wide intersections be mapped?

2008-05-22 Thread David Muir Sharnoff
I'm trying to figure out how to represent an intersection that
is very wide: a traffic circle could placed in the middle without
moving the edges.

I've tried adding extra ways for various ways across the
expanse but it doesn't look right.

Suggestions?

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.845598&lon=-122.236367&zoom=18&layers=B0FT

Thanks,
-Dave

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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Blue tiles tagged "Unknown Type" in Osmarender

2008-05-22 Thread Neil Penman
I've found a few of the blue "unknown type" tiles in
Europe shown by 
Osmarender.  There is one in the UK just west of
Exeter and several in 
France south of Bourges.  Anyone know what is causing
the problem?  As 
below the real issue is in remote areas such as Africa
where there are 
large areas with these tiles.

Neil Penman wrote:
> There are large parts of the earth, as represented
by Osmarender, that 
> are coloured blue and labeled "Unknown Type".  These
include Finland, 
> the Baltics, a large area north of India up to
central Russia, the 
> periphery of the US, a slice of Asia from China
through to the 
> Antarctic, (missing out Australia), large parts of
Africa etc.
>
> Anyone know whats going on?
>
> The effect varies at different zoom levels. 
Sometimes more pronounced 
> at low zoom, sometimes the reverse. 
>
> Regards
>
> Neil Penman
>
>

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Re: [OSM-talk] Transparent slippy map of a GPX

2008-05-22 Thread OJ W
Sorry, example URL should be:

http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/gpx/?gpx=112168&zoom=10&lat=52.08314&lon=-0.71864

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[OSM-talk] Transparent slippy map of a GPX

2008-05-22 Thread OJ W
As a side-effect of some routing stuff I'm looking at, we have this little tool:

http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/route/?gpx=112168&zoom=10&lat=52.08314&lon=-0.71864

which should be able to display any public GPX trace (just replace the
gpx= number)

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[OSM-talk] [tagging]RFC : name_left

2008-05-22 Thread Vincent MEURISSE
Hello,
Here is a proposal of a couple of keys for street with different names
on both sides.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/left_name

This tag is alredy used in germany and uk (and maybe others)
- http://etricceline.de/osm/germany/tags.htm
 name_left 23
 name_right  54
- http://etricceline.de/osm/united-kingdom/tags.htm
 name_left 24
 name_right  23

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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

> Doesn't feel to me like a confident, unambigious, "free to use in
> OSM" phrase.

On the other hand, we don't have anything in written from Yahoo!
either, so if you want to be paranoid then drop Yahoo as well.

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi,

> Probably the biggest thing I've learned about copyright since getting  
> involved with OSM is how easy it is to overstate your rights as  
> copyright holder.

Most do it because they don't know better. (Some don't even write the
name "Microsoft" in a public article because tehy somehow think that
they might need permission for that.) Some also do it maliciously
(Scientology's stock method of silencing critics is to argue that
their criticism is based on copyrighted material).

I think the Science Commons guys have a rather enlightened viewpoint
when they say (on http://sciencecommons.org/resources/faq/databases/):

(quote)

We recommend that database providers make it clear that only some
elements of their database are protected by copyright (and subject to
a Creative Commons license) and some elements are free to be used &
reused outside of the license.

As you know, Creative Commons and Science Commons work to promote
freely available content and information. Our preference is that
people do not overstate their copyright or other legal rights.
Consequently, we adopt the position that “facts are free” and people
should be educated so that they are aware of this. Database providers
may want to think about including a statement where you include your
Creative Commons “Some Rights Reserved” button that acknowledges that
the database is only under a Creative Commons license “to the extent
that copyright protects the database” and then give some examples of
the elements in the database that are likely to be factual and
excluded from the scope of copyright and the Creative Commons license.

(unqoute)

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Please restore deleted suburb

2008-05-22 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 11:34 -0400, Christopher Schmidt wrote:
> More seriously, I can try and find some time to fix up the code so
> that it parses braintree correctly.

I guess we could also just cut the appropriate TIGER area out and upload
that as well.  Let me know if this interests anyone.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-22 Thread Andy Street
On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 18:03 +0100, Rory McCann wrote:
> Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
> > I'd vote for complete=no, and rendering it with an arrow on the
> > unconnected end of the way. Sometimes,  e.g. if you pass under a bridge,
> > but haven't gone back to pass over it, you may have a way with arrows on
> > both ends. That is fine. I'd allow and render towards=[name of place],
> > but that get's confusing in the 2 ended passing under a bridge case.
> 
> I agree, complete=no makes sense. But what should this be applied to? 
> Nodes? Ways? I suggest it should be added to a node that's at the end of 
> a way to signafy that the way continues alone roughly the same direction 
> as it was going. I think it should be rendered as a a few dots in the 
> same direction and the same colour and thickness as the original way.
> 
> Thoughts?

Tagging nodes as complete=no seems a little strange to me unless it
refers to a POI. After all it's the way that is incomplete not the node.
How would you interpret a node tagged as complete=no that is shared
between multiple ways?

Personally, I've been mapping with complete=no on the way and adding
extra details using the note tag where appropriate.

Regards,

Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk] Unknown road classifications

2008-05-22 Thread Rory McCann
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote:
> I'd vote for complete=no, and rendering it with an arrow on the
> unconnected end of the way. Sometimes,  e.g. if you pass under a bridge,
> but haven't gone back to pass over it, you may have a way with arrows on
> both ends. That is fine. I'd allow and render towards=[name of place],
> but that get's confusing in the 2 ended passing under a bridge case.

I agree, complete=no makes sense. But what should this be applied to? 
Nodes? Ways? I suggest it should be added to a node that's at the end of 
a way to signafy that the way continues alone roughly the same direction 
as it was going. I think it should be rendered as a a few dots in the 
same direction and the same colour and thickness as the original way.

Thoughts?

Rory

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Re: [OSM-talk] Please restore deleted suburb

2008-05-22 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:28:30AM -0400, Jason Woofenden wrote:
> Braintree, a suburb of Boston, MA, USA is blank, except for POIs and the
> subway. Could someone please restore it?
> 
> Here's the affected area on the slippery map:
> http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.1952&lon=-71.0147&zoom=13&layers=B0FT

It wasn't deleted, it was never uploaded. The MassGIS data for the area
was incorrect in a way that it failed the conversion process that we
were using.

To be honest, I find it somewhat difficult to care about people way down
in Braintree -- I mean, really, it's on the other side of the river ;)

More seriously, I can try and find some time to fix up the code so that
it parses braintree correctly.

Regards,
-- 
Christopher Schmidt
MetaCarta

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[OSM-talk] Please restore deleted suburb

2008-05-22 Thread Jason Woofenden
Braintree, a suburb of Boston, MA, USA is blank, except for POIs and the
subway. Could someone please restore it?

Here's the affected area on the slippery map:
http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.1952&lon=-71.0147&zoom=13&layers=B0FT

Thanks,  - Jason
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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steve Hill wrote:

> Aren't OSM's GPS traces considered CC-BY-SA as well?  I haven't seen
> anything specifically licensing them, but they are in the OSM database,
> accessible via the OSM API so I err on the side of assuming the
> CC-BY-SA licence applies to them too.

They're not explicitly licensed otherwise, but it's very, very  
debatable whether they cross the threshold to be copyrightable.

[suggest follow-ups to legal-talk]

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 22 May 2008, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

> (It's reasonably easily settled - either get Google to give the ok, or
> rerectify against OSM. Better still, rerectify against OSM's GPS
> traces alone, thereby sidestepping potential CC-BY-SA issues.)

Aren't OSM's GPS traces considered CC-BY-SA as well?  I haven't seen 
anything specifically licensing them, but they are in the OSM database, 
accessible via the OSM API so I err on the side of assuming the CC-BY-SA 
licence applies to them too.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Tomáš Tichý
Is there any way to  enable only "safe" data layers from OAM in Potlatch?
I am writing this, because there is black and white aerial imagery of
the Czech Republic from local goverment agency (UHUL), which permitted
to use it for OSM mapping. This imagery is now part of OAM data.
It is possible to use it with JOSM or Merkaartor, but I personally
prefer Potlatch for mapping and it's a pity that I can´t use it
anymore.

Tomas

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Jukka Rahkonen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I think that what is uncertain with OpenAerialMap is if the imagery that is
>> colour adjusted by i-Cubed can be taken out from OAM, not if you can do 
>> derived
>> work based on it.
>
> That's pretty clear cut - i-Cubed own copyright over the imagery, and
> haven't given anyone any rights to do stuff with them - unless they
> explicitly say otherwise. "Public Domain" isn't viral for derived
> works.
>
>> But who knows, perhaps being paranoid is the only safe
>> alternative.
>
> Absolutely.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
[cc:ed to legal-talk]

Andy Allan wrote:

> That's pretty clear cut - i-Cubed own copyright over the imagery, and
> haven't given anyone any rights to do stuff with them - unless they
> explicitly say otherwise. "Public Domain" isn't viral for derived
> works.

Probably the biggest thing I've learned about copyright since getting  
involved with OSM is how easy it is to overstate your rights as  
copyright holder. That's not really too surprising for those of us  
from the UK, which has a very maximalist attitude to geodata copyright  
(or at least the OS does, and it shouts loudest): if you come from the  
States you'll have a different take on these things.

I'm not even going to attempt to pronounce definitively on OAM, as  
I've not researched it particularly deeply. But I'd be reasonably  
certain that iCubed's colour correction in itself doesn't qualify as  
copyright-worthy for the purposes of tracing, so there's no issue in  
deriving from their flavour of Landsat. It's a bit like the NPE scans  
where I say "you can trace from these without restriction" - that's  
not me being nice (well, partly :) ), that's a recognition that the  
acts of scanning and rectification haven't created a new copyright  
over the geodata.

(The "severable improvement" stuff may be relevant here. Maybe.  
Someone who knows remotely wtf they're talking about will be able to  
do better than me.)

With the non-Landsat OAM images, the same argument can be had. Does  
rectification against Google create a new copyright? I can see an  
argument either way: a year ago I'd have said "yes it does", now I'm  
leaning a bit more towards "no it doesn't". But it really comes down  
to how cautious/paranoid you are, and OSM always takes the  
ultra-cautious route, which is why Steve's asked them to be removed  
for now.

(It's reasonably easily settled - either get Google to give the ok, or  
rerectify against OSM. Better still, rerectify against OSM's GPS  
traces alone, thereby sidestepping potential CC-BY-SA issues.)

Oh yeah, and then you have to think about contracts. Let's not even go there.


Side-issue: the discussion at WhereCamp about "are Google and  
Microsoft killing the ecosystem?" looks really interesting - maybe  
someone who was there could post or blog about it. But, you know, a  
really great way for them to nurture the ecosystem - which is  
ultimately in their interests - would be if they could give  
definitive, permissive answers to things like this. Is anyone asking?  
Should we? (Even better still, they could do a Yahoo with their aerial  
imagery - yeah, I know, oink oink flap flap.)

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Jukka Rahkonen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I think that what is uncertain with OpenAerialMap is if the imagery that is
> colour adjusted by i-Cubed can be taken out from OAM, not if you can do 
> derived
> work based on it.

That's pretty clear cut - i-Cubed own copyright over the imagery, and
haven't given anyone any rights to do stuff with them - unless they
explicitly say otherwise. "Public Domain" isn't viral for derived
works.

> But who knows, perhaps being paranoid is the only safe
> alternative.

Absolutely.

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Andy Allan  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> The wording of the main/first data source never filled me with
> confidence either:
> 
> "There is currently some question as to the licensing terms for this
> data. This is being resolved as quickly as possible. Until then, it is
> best to assume that this imagery can not be used outside of
> OpenAerialMap."
> 
> http://openaerialmap.hypercube.telascience.org/datasource/1/
> 
> Doesn't feel to me like a confident, unambigious, "free to use in OSM" phrase.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andy

The same original public domain Landsat images can be downloaded from several
places, for example from landsat.org.  Then it should be OK to digitise features
forwhat ever purpose over them.  Unfortunately those images need to be colour
adjusted first.  I have done that for about 150 scenes around the Baltic sea
area and Scandinavia with Open source tools (GDAL and OSSIM) but it was bigger
task than I thought.
Same images are also available as very nice ready made colour balanced mosaics
from Geotorrent.org. Those mosaics are free for any use as well.  The "Europe
Landsat Mosaic" is missing half of Finland, therefore I started to make my own.

I think that what is uncertain with OpenAerialMap is if the imagery that is
colour adjusted by i-Cubed can be taken out from OAM, not if you can do derived
work based on it.  But who knows, perhaps being paranoid is the only safe
alternative.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread Andy Allan
The wording of the main/first data source never filled me with
confidence either:

"There is currently some question as to the licensing terms for this
data. This is being resolved as quickly as possible. Until then, it is
best to assume that this imagery can not be used outside of
OpenAerialMap."

http://openaerialmap.hypercube.telascience.org/datasource/1/

Doesn't feel to me like a confident, unambigious, "free to use in OSM" phrase.

Cheers,
Andy

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:36 PM, SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I discovered that people are just rectifying using google aerial and
> stuff, which breaks our paranoid/cautious stance on accepting
> copyright derived work.
>
> On 21 May 2008, at 21:55, Tomáš Tichý wrote:
>
>> What happened to Openaerialmap layer in Potlatch? I see only -
>> signs on the place where it was in menu.
>>
>> Tomas Tichy
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Re: [OSM-talk] Missing Openaerial map from Potlatch

2008-05-22 Thread SteveC
I discovered that people are just rectifying using google aerial and  
stuff, which breaks our paranoid/cautious stance on accepting  
copyright derived work.

On 21 May 2008, at 21:55, Tomáš Tichý wrote:

> What happened to Openaerialmap layer in Potlatch? I see only -
> signs on the place where it was in menu.
>
> Tomas Tichy
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Best

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[OSM-talk] Vote: highway=road

2008-05-22 Thread Steve Hill

Please read and vote on the proposal at

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Generic_road

Vote with {{vote|yes}} or {{vote|no}}.

Thank you.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in the today's Financial Times

2008-05-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote:

> You can also get access if you register (free). I had the same issue  
> and
> registered, which is basically just an email address so they can  
> spam you
> ;-)

Ah, ok. Thanks for the transcripts and links, all.

cheers
Richard

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in the today's Financial Times

2008-05-22 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Grant Slater wrote
>Sent: 22 May 2008 9:41 AM
>To: Richard Fairhurst
>Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in the today's Financial Times
>
>Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>> Could someone perhaps post them here? I'm getting "You have viewed
>> your allowance of free articles. If you wish to view more, click the
>> button below."
>>

You can also get access if you register (free). I had the same issue and
registered, which is basically just an email address so they can spam you 
;-)

Cheers

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik layer of slippy map broken

2008-05-22 Thread Tom Hughes
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maning sambale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>> Something seems to be hitting the /export very hard, there are 20+
>>> concurrent export processes active. I don't have the time at the moment
>>> to figure out exactly what is going on so I have temporarily disabled
>>> it.
>
> Are there any limit on how big osm xml should be downloaded using the
> export tab?

Well the normal limits apply, so 0.25 square and 5 nodes.

This wasn't an XML download anyway, so I'm not sure it's relevant.

Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik layer of slippy map broken

2008-05-22 Thread maning sambale
>> Something seems to be hitting the /export very hard, there are 20+
>> concurrent export processes active. I don't have the time at the moment
>> to figure out exactly what is going on so I have temporarily disabled
>> it.

Are there any limit on how big osm xml should be downloaded using the
export tab?

cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik layer of slippy map broken

2008-05-22 Thread Tom Hughes
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Jon Burgess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Something seems to be hitting the /export very hard, there are 20+
> concurrent export processes active. I don't have the time at the moment
> to figure out exactly what is going on so I have temporarily disabled
> it. 

It is now re-enabled again, with the offending IP address blocked.

Tom

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in the today's Financial Times

2008-05-22 Thread Grant Slater
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Could someone perhaps post them here? I'm getting "You have viewed  
> your allowance of free articles. If you wish to view more, click the  
> button below."
>   

Also received that message... but these links seem to work:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/30c9d66a-279b-11dd-b7cb-77b07658.html
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/83390706-2753-11dd-b7cb-77b07658.html

Else search FT.com for the titles:
Way to go? Mapping looks to be the web’s next big thing
Way to go?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Legend (was: Re: Tagging of jogging tracks)

2008-05-22 Thread Guilhem Bonnefille
2008/5/8 Dirk-Lüder Kreie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> you mean a map key? (which is already there, but I'm not sure how complete)

You're fully right: I never see it before. Perhaps because I'm looking
for "legend" keyword and not "Map key".

Thanks for pointing me at this info.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik layer of slippy map broken

2008-05-22 Thread Jon Burgess
On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 21:56 -0400, Andrew MacKinnon wrote:
> The Mapnik layer of the slippy map is currently broken. No map data is
> shown on recently rendered tiles (coastline data appears to be there).
> Please fix ASAP.

The brokenness only effects some areas, mostly higher zooms.

It seems that the root filesystem got filled up on the tile server last
night. There are 11GB of files in /tmp and it looks like these may be
tmp from the /export tab. These may have been building up slowly for
some time but there seem to have been lots of 45MB files created since
midnight last night:

-rw--- 1 www-data www-data   898756 2008-05-09 21:40 tmpzbDncu
-rw--- 1 www-data www-data  8523541 2008-05-18 12:41 tmpZcTuaz
-rw--- 1 www-data www-data 45090468 2008-05-22 00:28 tmpz-DEcg
-rw--- 1 www-data www-data 45090468 2008-05-22 00:27 tmpzDz952
-rw--- 1 www-data www-data  2088385 2008-05-09 17:14 tmpZFPtjL
-rw--- 1 www-data www-data 45090468 2008-05-22 00:33 tmpZH8qFz
-rw--- 1 www-data www-data 45090468 2008-05-22 00:36 tmpZIUmEN
-rw--- 1 www-data www-data0 2008-05-22 09:10 tmpZkfCHG

Something seems to be hitting the /export very hard, there are 20+
concurrent export processes active. I don't have the time at the moment
to figure out exactly what is going on so I have temporarily disabled
it. 

Jon


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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in the today's Financial Times

2008-05-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:

> Here, here:
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/30c9d66a-279b-11dd-b7cb-77b07658.html?nclick_check=1
>
> And there are some quotes on yesterday's:
> http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/83390706-2753-11dd-b7cb-77b07658.html?nclick_check=1

Could someone perhaps post them here? I'm getting "You have viewed  
your allowance of free articles. If you wish to view more, click the  
button below."

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in the today's Financial Times

2008-05-22 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Jueves, 22 de Mayo de 2008, Michael Collinson escribió:
> Burn your Anarcho-syndicalist membership card. Sell Google. Buy
> OSM.  Today's  Financial Times European edition, page 11, carries a
> 3/4 page article "Way to go? Mapping looks to be the web's next big
> thing" with this paragraph.

Here, here:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/30c9d66a-279b-11dd-b7cb-77b07658.html?nclick_check=1

And there are some quotes on yesterday's:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/83390706-2753-11dd-b7cb-77b07658.html?nclick_check=1

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM support in KDE's Marble

2008-05-22 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Inge Wallin wrote:

> 3. Marble is not only an application, it's also an embeddable widget that you 
> can use in other applications. So if you want to show some OSM in any 
> application, use the marble widget and you're done.

Phantastic work, Inge and others, thanks. Just as a piece of
information: there is also an embeddable GTK widget that acts as a
mapviewer. See:
http://www.johnstowers.co.nz/blog/index.php/2008/05/21/frantic/

which looks like it has some potential.

spaetz


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[OSM-talk] OSM in the today's Financial Times

2008-05-22 Thread Michael Collinson
Burn your Anarcho-syndicalist membership card. Sell Google. Buy 
OSM.  Today's  Financial Times European edition, page 11, carries a 
3/4 page article "Way to go? Mapping looks to be the web's next big 
thing" with this paragraph.

"At one end of the spectrum are people like Steve Coast, a British 
amateur who is hoping to create a communal map of the world as 
comprehensive as Wikipedia, the online encyclopedia. Volunteers who 
contribute to Mr Coast's OpenStreetMap.org literally redraw the map. 
"You buy a GPS unit and cycle around the roads," he says. "It drops a 
data point every second, like Hansel and Gretel dropping 
breadcrumbs." Collecting those data points and joining the dots is 
the first step in sketching a map of the road network."

A little bit condescending still but it says what we do and has the 
website.  It is nice to see journalists beginning to make a ritual 
inclusion of OSM every time they write about mapping.  Good work Steve.

Mike


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Re: [OSM-talk] precompiled navit bin-files

2008-05-22 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Florian Lohoff wrote:

> BTW: Are navit map binarys files endianess clean? I mean do i386
> generated binfiles work on PPC or mips(big endian)?
> 
> Or does it work to generate 32bit i386 files run with an x86_64 
> navit?

The precompiled binary maps will run on a PPC just as well as on i386.
However, the osm2navit tool to produce these maps will not work on a Big
Endian platform.

spaetz

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