Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo

[Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)]

The logo is also now trademarked. I'll raise this (and have also copied to
Matt) as currently we don't have a policy on reuse of the logo.

Cheers

Andy Robinson
Secretary
OSMF

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>boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Phil Endecott
>Sent: 06 July 2009 11:38 PM
>To: Openstreetmap
>Subject: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
>
>Dear All,
>
>I'd like to use the OSM logo (i.e. the "magnifier on a map" one) for a
>"go to openstreetmap.org" button in an iPhone app.  It looks like the
>logo is GPL licensed, which prevents me from doing this.  Quoting this
>page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Matt
>
>"the icon has the same license as most other stuff in the OSM
>repository - GPLv2. [...]
>If anyone wants it under a different license then please contact me
>directly and I'll see if its possible. --Matt"
>
>Unfortunately I'm unable to find an email address for User:Matt so I'm
>posting here.  Can Matt (or anyone else) offer any advice?
>
>
>Thanks,  Phil.
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM integrated into exhibits at museums?

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

Sarah Manley wrote:
>  Does anyone know of any museums  (science/art/cultural), or cultural
> centers that have used/displayed OSM? I am was curious if others knew  
> any work that has occurred or is in the process.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/chiulongina/sets/72157614772368973/

I don't have any detail beyond what is on the site though. It's at the 
ZKM (centre for art and media technology) here in Karlsruhe.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers

[Sam Vekemans]

Oh this is a good one. :) -i had to add my 2 sence.

OSM is already better than gmaps :) anyway, our aim is not to convince
gmap people, 'cause Google already knows our map is better.
What we can do is be printing out the map and giving it out to
bikeshops, hotels, tourist offices for free.
My guess is that in 2 years time, we will have most of the planet
covered, and google will be able to can NavTeq.
The only reason that they cant right now, is because OSM is not
complete enough. -agreed?

'cause right now, we need all 3 -users; mappers and developers.
As we all know that its only after the basic things get mapped that
more people join in.

Happy Mapping!
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada Trails

On 7/6/09, Aun Yngve Johnsen  wrote:
> On 06/07/2009, at 21:04, Chris Browet wrote:
>>
>> By scrolling the map you'll realize that in the bottom-right side of
>> the screen will appear the top contributors and if you are lucky
>> they will have a google profile where you can send them a email, or
>> contact them trough their blog, google picassa, etc
>>
>>
>> How good the intent, I'm not convinced by the means...
>>
>> - Chriis -
> I have to agree with Chris, this sounds like an offensive against a
> competitor. Doesn't mapmaker have some sort of community or other
> where we can advertise our existence and let people themselves decide
> if it is worth moving over or not? Emailing active contributors
> directly is not the way.
>
>
> Regards
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[OSM-talk] OSM integrated into exhibits at museums?

[Sarah Manley]

Hello,

Does anyone know of any museums  (science/art/cultural), or cultural  
centers that have used/displayed OSM? I am was curious if others knew  
any work that has occurred or is in the process.

Best,
Sarah

Sarah Manley
Community Ambassdor
sa...@cloudmade.com
Cell: 415-254-3050
Skype: Sarah_cloudmade
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Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers

[Aun Yngve Johnsen]

On 06/07/2009, at 21:04, Chris Browet wrote:
>
> By scrolling the map you'll realize that in the bottom-right side of  
> the screen will appear the top contributors and if you are lucky  
> they will have a google profile where you can send them a email, or  
> contact them trough their blog, google picassa, etc
>
>
> How good the intent, I'm not convinced by the means...
>
> - Chriis -
I have to agree with Chris, this sounds like an offensive against a  
competitor. Doesn't mapmaker have some sort of community or other  
where we can advertise our existence and let people themselves decide  
if it is worth moving over or not? Emailing active contributors  
directly is not the way.


Regards
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Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers

[maning sambale]

On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Chris Browet wrote:
> How good the intent, I'm not convinced by the means...
Agreed, it is a bit of "hardsell".

What we need to do is show them what we can do with the data.  In the
Philippines, the best case would be how to load them in their
GPS-enabled phones.  Here's what a Gmapmaker contributor said when he
stumbled upon OSM-PH Garmin GPS map.

" I recently searched a whole hog over the internet on how to get a
GPS map of the Philippines that works on Microsoft Windows Mobile. I
stumbled and downloaded your file, and knowing Garmin Mobile XT is
installable for Windows Mobile I was able to see your work done. Bravo
to all!!!

 the best way I can help is editing open street map, and hoping I
can get updates on your data in the future.

I contributed a number of places to Google Mapmaker, but this would
not be useful as they export user edits to their Google Maps Software,
before we can use their data on the road, we need to pay for an
unlimited mobile internet on the road to update data of Google Maps
Mobile.

Seeing your efforts I will be repeating my work from Google Mapmaker
to Open Street Map and keep you posted when my jobs are done. For now,
I will edit Bulacan. ""




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Re: [OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers

[Chris Browet]

> By scrolling the map you'll realize that in the bottom-right side of the
> screen will appear the top contributors and if you are lucky they will have
> a google profile where you can send them a email, or contact them trough
> their blog, google picassa, etc
>
>
How good the intent, I'm not convinced by the means...

- Chriis -
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[OSM-talk] "reconverting" google mapmakers

[Ivan Garcia]

Hi all,

as an OSM evangelizer I realize that convincing people that has not too much
interest on GIS to join the OSM army is a bit difficult, that's why I had
the idea of going to the http://www.google.com/mapmaker site and contact by
mail the contributors and try to convince them to join the OSM idea.

By scrolling the map you'll realize that in the bottom-right side of the
screen will appear the top contributors and if you are lucky they will have
a google profile where you can send them a email, or contact them trough
their blog, google picassa, etc

In an afternoon I was able to find a group of 6 ecuatorians very interested
in tracing streets(they were google map makers of course) that didn't know
anything about OSM and that didn't know that Google is taking advantage of
their efforts that they do for free. Most of them are very interested in OSM
and they just need a bit of help of how to start.

I think you guys can do the same, let's try to let know the google mapmakers
that there is a project similar of what they are doing named OpenStreetMap
where their efforts will not be closed later by any company or similar.

Best Regards.
Ivan Garcia.
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Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:57 PM, OJ W wrote:
> Various people have been asking for a better version of the MapOf
> service that's been running on dev for a while, serving mediawiki
> plugins, dynamic wallpapers, images in websites, etc.  So I'm pleased
> to announce a static maps website with a few extra features:
>
> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/

(Too lazy to read the source now:)

Does this work by stitching together tiles from an arbitrary
tileserver? Or does it use something like cgi-bin/export in some
cases?

If it's the former how do such applications handle cases where the
user exports an area that has "More OSM coming soon" tile(s) anyway?

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[OSM-talk] travel to SOTM

[Frédéric Bonifas]

Hi,

I have just registered for SOTM and I will be coming from Lyon
(France). I will travel on Friday.
Before booking the train (what is quite expensive), I would like to
know if someone is coming by car from Switzerland, Luxembourg, Belgium
or western part of Germany by car on Friday, so we can share the
travel expenses.

Thanks
Frédéric

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Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API

[OJ W]

sorry, I wasn't on the openlayers announce list when they changed the
API from  "assumed ...z/x/y.png" convention to "specify it yerself
with ${x} etc.".  Hopefully it's working again now?


On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:25 PM, 80n<80n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:31 PM, OJ W  wrote:
>> (since there was already a handy website that displays GPX tracks:
>>
>> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/gpx
>
> This handy website doesn't appear to display tracks anymore :(

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[OSM-talk] License for OSM logo

[Phil Endecott]

Dear All,

I'd like to use the OSM logo (i.e. the "magnifier on a map" one) for a
"go to openstreetmap.org" button in an iPhone app.  It looks like the
logo is GPL licensed, which prevents me from doing this.  Quoting this
page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Matt

"the icon has the same license as most other stuff in the OSM
repository - GPLv2. [...]
If anyone wants it under a different license then please contact me
directly and I'll see if its possible. --Matt"

Unfortunately I'm unable to find an email address for User:Matt so I'm
posting here.  Can Matt (or anyone else) offer any advice?


Thanks,  Phil.









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Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API

[80n]

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:31 PM, OJ W  wrote:

> you hard taskmasters - these features [gpx/relations] weren't planned
> for ages yet!
>
> OK, I just implemented GPX traces on the static map:
>
>
> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/?gpx=434404&lat=53.669&lon=-1.55665&z=13&show=1
>
>
> (since there was already a handy website that displays GPX tracks:
>
> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/gpx
>
>
This handy website doesn't appear to display tracks anymore :(

Has something got broken?

80n



>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Simon Wood wrote:
> > I tried to get it to display a relation, without much luck:
> >
> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/?lat=49.1293&lon=-114.0790&z=13&rel=18323&show=1
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/18323
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Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API

[Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)]

More OJW wizardry

Thanks Oliver, nice tool

Cheers

Andy

>-Original Message-
>From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-
>boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of OJ W
>Sent: 06 July 2009 8:58 PM
>To: talk@openstreetmap.org
>Subject: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API
>
>Various people have been asking for a better version of the MapOf
>service that's been running on dev for a while, serving mediawiki
>plugins, dynamic wallpapers, images in websites, etc.  So I'm pleased
>to announce a static maps website with a few extra features:
>
>http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/
>
>
>Click the imagemap to zoom in to a location, then use the other tools
>to adjust the details of your map.  Then copy the image location and
>use that wherever you want.
>
>
>You can add polygon and polyline overlays: http://tinyurl.com/kjwjme
>
>You can add markers in various styles: http://tinyurl.com/m6aj4y
>
>It's easy to compare basemaps for a location: http://tinyurl.com/nqyzbf
>
>
>All information is in the URL, so use your browser when working:
>"bookmark" (or del.icio.us) to save your project, "back" to undo a
>mistake, "copy link location" (or tinyURL) to send your map to
>someone.
>
>
>The API is intended to be reasonably simple, for anyone wanting to use
>it inside other systems:
>
>http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/?mode=API
>
>
>A few requests for help:
>
>(1) Any graphic designers or GUI people, could make the site look good
>with stylesheets, graphics, and page layouts?
>
>(2) Harry suggests putting a 'production' copy of this somewhere other
>than the dev server, for long-term use by other websites.  Any
>volunteers to set that up and keep it running?
>
>
>Source code: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/sites/other/StaticMap/
>
>
>Regards,
>
>OJW
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Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API

[OJ W]

thus showing why I shouldn't be the one running the
'stable/production' server ;)

hopefully fixed now - default gpx number of -1 easily passing the
naive "not zero" validity test...  you didn't want to view gpx #0 did
you?





On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð
Bjarmason wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:31 PM, OJ W wrote:
>> you hard taskmasters - these features [gpx/relations] weren't planned
>> for ages yet!
>>
>> OK, I just implemented GPX traces on the static map:
>>
>> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/?gpx=434404&lat=53.669&lon=-1.55665&z=13&show=1
>
> This works but all the tinyurl links in your original message are now
> broken with errors like:
>
> Warning: imagecreatefrompng() [function.imagecreatefrompng]:
> 'http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/gpx/tile.php?gpx=-1&t=16/32750/21789.png'
> is not a valid PNG file in /home/ojw/public_html/StaticMap/map.php.inc
> on line 118
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Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:31 PM, OJ W wrote:
> you hard taskmasters - these features [gpx/relations] weren't planned
> for ages yet!
>
> OK, I just implemented GPX traces on the static map:
>
> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/?gpx=434404&lat=53.669&lon=-1.55665&z=13&show=1

This works but all the tinyurl links in your original message are now
broken with errors like:

Warning: imagecreatefrompng() [function.imagecreatefrompng]:
'http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/gpx/tile.php?gpx=-1&t=16/32750/21789.png'
is not a valid PNG file in /home/ojw/public_html/StaticMap/map.php.inc
on line 118

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Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API

[OJ W]

you hard taskmasters - these features [gpx/relations] weren't planned
for ages yet!

OK, I just implemented GPX traces on the static map:

http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/?gpx=434404&lat=53.669&lon=-1.55665&z=13&show=1


(since there was already a handy website that displays GPX tracks:

http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/gpx





On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Simon Wood wrote:
> I tried to get it to display a relation, without much luck:
> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/?lat=49.1293&lon=-114.0790&z=13&rel=18323&show=1
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/18323

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Re: [OSM-talk] Communications tower/transponders

[Alex Mauer]

Simon Wood wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:17:37 -0600
> Simon Wood  wrote:
> 
>> I have had a go at tidying the proposed tags for communication towers and 
>> would welcome any comments.
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Communications_tower
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Communications_Transponder
>>
> 
> If no-one has any objections I'd like to formally move these to the 'RFC' 
> stage. Do I do it just by setting the date field?
> 
> Simon,
Yup.  That and send a message to the list, for which the above message
will do the job nicely.

-Alex Mauer "hawke"



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Re: [OSM-talk] Communications tower/transponders

[Simon Wood]

On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 23:17:37 -0600
Simon Wood  wrote:

> I have had a go at tidying the proposed tags for communication towers and 
> would welcome any comments.
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Communications_tower
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Communications_Transponder
> 

If no-one has any objections I'd like to formally move these to the 'RFC' 
stage. Do I do it just by setting the date field?

Simon,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping Photos

[Tim Waters (chippy)]

Hi,
whilst on the subject of Flickr,
probably 1/2 of the photos tagged with "openstreetmap" in Flickr would
match what you are looking for:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/openstreetmap/

cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API

[Simon Wood]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:57:37 +0100
OJ W  wrote:

> Various people have been asking for a better version of the MapOf
> service that's been running on dev for a while, serving mediawiki
> plugins, dynamic wallpapers, images in websites, etc.  So I'm pleased
> to announce a static maps website with a few extra features:
> 
> http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/
> 

Cool! This might also be useful for creating a fallback 'static' page when 
JavaScript is disabled on the browsers.

I tried to get it to display a relation, without much luck:
http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/?lat=49.1293&lon=-114.0790&z=13&rel=18323&show=1
http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/relation/18323

On the topic of relations; does this mean it is OK to place random 'simon's 
favourite hike' relations into the OSM database? (I'm working on getting the 
local ATV'ers hooked - they cover a lot of trail miles...)

Simon

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Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API

[Tim Waters (chippy)]

Looks great!

There is currently a Google Summer of Code project for OSM for the
very same thing, which is coming along extremely nicely. Perhaps when
it's ready in a few weeks the projects could be combined? Pawel's
added some nice features like caching and an admin panel amongst
others.

http://socghop.appspot.com/org/home/google/gsoc2009/openstreetmap
http://socghop.appspot.com/student_project/show/google/gsoc2009/openstreetmap/t124023144019

Cheers,

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[OSM-talk] New static-maps API

[OJ W]

Various people have been asking for a better version of the MapOf
service that's been running on dev for a while, serving mediawiki
plugins, dynamic wallpapers, images in websites, etc.  So I'm pleased
to announce a static maps website with a few extra features:

http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/


Click the imagemap to zoom in to a location, then use the other tools
to adjust the details of your map.  Then copy the image location and
use that wherever you want.


You can add polygon and polyline overlays: http://tinyurl.com/kjwjme

You can add markers in various styles: http://tinyurl.com/m6aj4y

It's easy to compare basemaps for a location: http://tinyurl.com/nqyzbf


All information is in the URL, so use your browser when working:
"bookmark" (or del.icio.us) to save your project, "back" to undo a
mistake, "copy link location" (or tinyURL) to send your map to
someone.


The API is intended to be reasonably simple, for anyone wanting to use
it inside other systems:

http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/?mode=API


A few requests for help:

(1) Any graphic designers or GUI people, could make the site look good
with stylesheets, graphics, and page layouts?

(2) Harry suggests putting a 'production' copy of this somewhere other
than the dev server, for long-term use by other websites.  Any
volunteers to set that up and keep it running?


Source code: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/sites/other/StaticMap/


Regards,

OJW

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Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM: Amsterdam Friday Evening

[SteveC]

for thurs see


http://www.stateofthemap.org/2009/07/06/pre-conference-drinks-nieuwmarkt/

for fri I have suggested similar to the group


On 6 Jul 2009, at 17:07, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm arriving (all being well!) in Amsterdam Friday evening at either  
> 17:03
> or 18:03, depending on train connections from London. Are there any  
> plans
> for any people / groups to look round the city on Friday evening? My  
> hotel
> is fairly central I think so should be ready by 18:00 or 19:00, all  
> being
> well.
>
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[OSM-talk] SOTM: Amsterdam Friday Evening

[Nick Whitelegg]

Hello everyone,

I'm arriving (all being well!) in Amsterdam Friday evening at either 17:03 
or 18:03, depending on train connections from London. Are there any plans 
for any people / groups to look round the city on Friday evening? My hotel 
is fairly central I think so should be ready by 18:00 or 19:00, all being 
well.

Thanks,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
> So, what we should do is to author a document (on the wiki?) which
> clearly explains why such terms which restrict redistribution and
> fields of endeavor mean that free content projects like OSM can't use
> the data and will have to keep using SRTM.

Since nobody (especially someone with legal know-how) has offered to
do this I've continued to my correspondence with NASA/USGS/METI using
my own know-how and miscellaneous bits I've scraped from the recent
ASTER threads on this list for support.

Below is an E-Mail I just sent to the NASA/USGS/METI people I'm
corresponding with. I won't include the snippets I'm replying to since
I haven't had permission to publish them, instead I'm going to replace
them with little summaries of the original content. My summaries are
one-liners while the originals are a few paragraphs so obviously
information is lost in the process:

> [What's this public OpenStreetMap forum you're referring to?]

It's being discussed on the main OpenStreetMap "talk" mailing list
(and some other foreign language lists, e.g. the German one). Here's a
list to the thread I started there:

   http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/thread.html#38235

It's a public mailing list so you could sign up if you'd like, or
continue corresponding with me and I could ferry information
back-and-forth.

In any case I'll be submitting what I send to you to the
aforementioned mailing list, but I won't quote any remarks from you
(@nasa.gov/@usgs.gov people) unless I have explicit permission to do
so. So I'll modify this E-Mail so that e.g. the paragraph I'm replying
to now will be replaced by something like "[Where is this being
discussed?]" before I post it. But that's bound to cause confusion so
having permission to quote you when appropriate would be better.

I was hoping that someone with more legal knowledge would be willing
to chime in but that hasn't happened already. I'm just a mapping
hobbyist but I'll try to explain what would be about acceptable terms
for open source/free software projects the best I can.

   http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038327.html

> [Perhaps your intended use of the ASTER data is supported, e.g. if you 
> derived tiles intended for some mapping software that would not be considered 
> redistribution of the original product an could be pushed downstream]
> [However if you were intending to distribute the canonical ASTER data as-is 
> that would be in violation of the terms]

I think I've correctly read between the lines of the download
agreement in assuming that the purpose of that clause is to avoid
Balkanization of the ASTER data, i.e. to make sure that NASA/METI will
always be the canonical source for the source dataset.

If the terms were changed to something like:

 You are not allowed to publicly distribute the original ASTER data
files but any derived work can be redistributed freely with (only) the
following restriction:

 If you distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly
digitally perform the Work or any Derivative Works or Collective
Works, You must keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and
give the original author (NASA/METI) credit reasonable to the medium
or means You are utilizing by conveying the name (or pseudonym if
applicable) of the Original Author.

Or something like that then the ASTER dataset could be used to its
full potential by free data projects like OpenStreetMap, Wikipedia &
others. But since there would be no restriction on the fields of
endeavor that generated data could always be used to generate a DEM
again, see a further explanation in this E-Mail:

   http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038327.html

For instance here's a map where the OpenStreetMap data which is under
the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike (CC-BY-SA) license has
been combined with SRTM contours:

   http://osm.org/go/0CZyDpI--?layers=00B0FTF

The CC-BY-SA license specifies (as do most free software licenses)
that when you distribute derived works you can impose no further
restrictions on the data. That's a pretty much a universal feature of
popular free content licenses to avoid data Balkanization and ensure
compatibility so that e.g. someone doesn't specify the additional
terms that you can't use the derived work for some specific use (e.g.
military), or that you can't use it on a Sunday. Such accumulated
restrictions would quickly make the data unusable for everybody.

Someone could take that map and generate a global DEM by analyzing the
contour lines and distribute a global DEM derived from ASTER free of
the original restrictions, thus circumventing the original limited use
clause.

But in reality nobody is going to go to all this trouble and nobody is
going to be confused about NASA/METI being the original and canonical
source of ASTER data. The best support for this claim is that today
nobody is confused about NASA be

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping Photos

[Ken Guest]

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Frankie Roberto
wrote:

>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 
> wrote:
>
>
>> Here are a bunch of very large correctly georeferenced images images
>> I've taken during mapping parties:
>
>
> Nice!
>
> I tend not to upload my mapping photos to Flickr (mainly because I think my
> friends would be a bit bored by hundreds of photos of road names, junctions
> and sign posts).
>


Create a secondary flickr account? ;-)



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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping Photos

[Frankie Roberto]

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:


> Here are a bunch of very large correctly georeferenced images images
> I've taken during mapping parties:


Nice!

I tend not to upload my mapping photos to Flickr (mainly because I think my
friends would be a bit bored by hundreds of photos of road names, junctions
and sign posts).

However, I have got a set of photos of what I hope will eventually be every
building in Manchester (
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankieroberto/sets/72157614972426670/). I'm
tagging them with a machine tag that references to the Way on OSM which
represents the building outline (eg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/frankieroberto/3673023624/ references
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35277202). They will also eventually
all be geocoded.

Am not sure what to do with this at the moment, but I'm thinking that it'd
be cool to be able to browse the map, and then click on any building in
order to see a photo of it.

Frankie

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Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
>>
>> NASA = a US federal government organization. All data originated by US
>> federal organizations (and especially when funded by tax payer dollars) is
>> in the public domain. I would imagine that the licensing terms they give are
>> superseded by these rules.
>
> ASTER is a joint mission between NASA a few Japanese organizations.
> As such, I don't think that public domain status can be automatically
> assumed of the ASTER data.
>
> http://asterweb.jpl.nasa.gov/about.asp

You are correct. It's a NASA/METI project and as such isn't in the
public domain. The exact license terms are an arrangement between NASA
and METI.

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Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

[Russ Nelson]

On Jul 5, 2009, at 6:33 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>
>> The question isn't "what legal text do we need?" but is instead "What
>> legal risks do we expect the OSMF to have to defend itself against?"
>
> And what exactly would be the risks of the above?

This is where we need the advice of a lawyer.  The goal is not zero  
risk; but instead reasonable risk.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

[Jeffrey Ollie]

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
>
> NASA = a US federal government organization. All data originated by US
> federal organizations (and especially when funded by tax payer dollars) is
> in the public domain. I would imagine that the licensing terms they give are
> superseded by these rules.

ASTER is a joint mission between NASA a few Japanese organizations.
As such, I don't think that public domain status can be automatically
assumed of the ASTER data.

http://asterweb.jpl.nasa.gov/about.asp

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Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

[Ian Dees]

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:

> For satellite imagery it would be a huge win even if we were allowed
> to just use them for tracing on a closed WMS server (as we're doing in
> Gaza), even if we ideally would like to be allowed to do more.


NASA = a US federal government organization. All data originated by US
federal organizations (and especially when funded by tax payer dollars) is
in the public domain. I would imagine that the licensing terms they give are
superseded by these rules.

...or am I missing something?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Is OpenAerialMap service dead?

[Stefan de Konink]

On Mon, 6 Jul 2009, Valent Turkovic wrote:

> I'm really impressed with what you have done, it is amazing!

Thanks :D I honestly don't know if it is sarcasm or not :D

> How can others who wish to join start contributing aerial photos?

I think the best would be to submit rectified photo's with a World file;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_file

If you submit them both to ftp://openstreetphoto.org/ (just create a
userdir) and ping back, one of us will update the mapfile and the photo's
are present.

> How to stitch aerial photos into maps?

In that case we can just use standard off the shell mechanisms such as
mapserver to render a WMS layer. I think Milo loaded the 'lite' version of
the free NASA dataset now in the WMS.

There is another part that can be interesting that is the actual stiching
of multiple datasources into something 'really' pretty. Using
hugin. But related to the rectifying process there are still some bounties
to be set.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

(This thread was accidentally off-list)

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM, MP wrote:
>>  As it turns out the first clause is (apparently) to facilitate
>>  tracking of how the data is used and so that they can announce
>>  updates, and the second is to ensure proper attribution. I've asked
>>  them permission to quote their complete reply but that's basically it.

> What about derived data? SRTM is used to generate hillshades and
> contour lines for example. ASTER data would be good for that too. Do
> they have some less strict terms about distributing such derived data
> (like requiring only attribution), or is their policy for it the same?

The ASTER project is producing a lot more than just global contour
lines, they've been taking satellite imagery for example:

http://asterweb.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/images/reykjavik.jpg

That particular image is a lot clearer than the equivalent NASA
Landsat imagery of Reykjavík which is currently the best free source
we can use for tracing. So in any dialog with the ASTER people we
should be pursuing a wide array of options applicable for each of
their datasets.

For satellite imagery it would be a huge win even if we were allowed
to just use them for tracing on a closed WMS server (as we're doing in
Gaza), even if we ideally would like to be allowed to do more.

> What about derived data? SRTM is used to generate hillshades and
> contour lines for example. ASTER data would be good for that too. Do
> they have some less strict terms about distributing such derived data
> (like requiring only attribution), or is their policy for it the same?

If they really don't want to allow redistribution of the source
dataset they're very unlikely to allow redistribution of generated
contours under a free license once they realize what that entails.

It would be trivial to automatically generate vector data equivalent
to the original dataset from any (lossless) generated contour lines,
thus circumventing the original limited use clause.

I'm *guess* what the ASTOR people really want is to just ensure data
quality with that first clause, and if so we can probably convince
them to release it under more liberal terms that would be useful to us
(including ones that require attribution).

Certainly nobody is confused about the canonical source of the SRTM
data being NASA despite it being in the public domain.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Is OpenAerialMap service dead?

[Valent Turkovic]

On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Stefan de Konink wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> Robin Paulson wrote:
>> 2009/6/13 Stefan de Konink :
 Also - Is OpenStreetPhoto going to be usable for storage of ground level
 photos of junctions, bridges etc which can be useful for photo route
 planning or not. The name you have used would lead me to expect that it
 would, however the project description seems to focus on aerial
 photography. Would this be a possible extension of the project?
>>> http://openstreetphoto.org/map.html?zoom=11&lat=51.82169&lon=4.35867&layers=BT
>>>
>>> It is work in progress :) The Google Summer of Code part of the projects
>>> takes image recognition to the next level; slight preview:
>>
>> will this ever turn into a google street view type project?
>
> That is our intention. But we are currently busy with streetsign
> recognition and photo rectification for aerial images.

I'm really impressed with what you have done, it is amazing!
How can others who wish to join start contributing aerial photos? How
to stitch aerial photos into maps?

Cheers,
Valent.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Flood in Vienna

[David Groom]

>- Original Message - 
>From: OJ W
>To: OpenStreetMap Talk
>Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 9:39 PM
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Flood in Vienna


>this is going to get to the point where a newspaper will announce
>"flooding in ${CITY}" and we will all sit back and think "oh,
>rendering error..."

Does anyone know of the current status of the coastline error checker?

Although http://dev.openstreetmap.nl/coastlines.html  currently is not 
throwing up server errors (an improvemenet on the situation 3 weeks ago), 
the coatline errors shown look very out of date.

Plus the links to "laste updated" and "shapefiles available" seem to timeout

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Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

[Arlindo Pereira]

In such cases, wouldn't be enough to add a source=NASA or source=ASTER tag?

[]

2009/7/2 Tyler 

> Ævar, Thanks for trying to get clarification. Despite my disagreeing that
> there is any real restriction on the data that affects its use in OSM,
> clarification and explicit permission is always a good thing.
>
> This should have been cross-posted to legal, probably. And let me preface
> it all with IANAL... Yet.
>
> Martin:
>
>> What about derived data? SRTM is used to generate hillshades and contour
>> lines for example. ASTER data would be good for that too. Do they have some
>> less strict terms about distributing such derived data (like requiring only
>> attribution), or is their policy for it the same?
>
>
> I take it to mean that you can re-distribute derived data, that would be
> the "project of intended use" part. They have that in there so that they
> can mitigate the number of sources of the ASTER, so that there's not a bunch
> of different ASTER Jun 2009 datasets all saying they're the same thing on a
> bunch of different University servers free to the public.
>
> Jeff:
>
>> That clause seems very similar to the BSD advertising clause (and
>> is problematic for the same reasons)
>>
>
> I assume you mean "When presenting or publishing ASTER GDEM data, I agree
> to include
> 'ASTER GDEM is a product of METI and NASA.'" That's pretty standard
> attribution stuff. Which we should want to encourage. Being able to find the
> source is probably sufficient (so on a printed map you could say "for a list
> of all the sources see www.ReallyAwesomeVolcanoMap.com/sources"), but also
> doesn't appear to be a required agreement (it doesn't have the "required",
> which leads me to believe it is optional).
>
> If there were a more standard way to get attribution data on the slippymap
> (a link: view all attributed sources in this extent) then OSM would probably
> be fine, and 3rd parties attributing data correctly is the 3rd party's
> responsibility. Immutable historical attribution would also be cool so that
> once all the roads from TIGER are correct and totally different there is
> still historical attribution data. The attribution mess has been what's
> stopped me from using a lot of available State data. Which has no
> restrictions as long as there is attribution. And attribution is such a
> cluster with OSM data right now that I just don't really want to deal with
> it, there's lots to do elsewhere.
>
> The BSD argument was that there would be a spiraling out of control "This
> product was derived from this product was derived from this product was
> derived from..." a better restriction would have been. "When presenting or
> publishing ASTER GDEM data, I agree to provide attribution to METI and
> NASA." Which would allow for more options on how to give the attribution.
> But like I said, that seems optional to me.
>
> Finally, if someone is planning on doing any sort of stuff with the ASTER
> GDEMs in the US, there's higher resolution data available from USGS, 3m in
> some cases, so use that instead.
>
> -Tyler
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Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

[John Smith]

--- On Mon, 6/7/09, Frankie Roberto  wrote:

> The most obvious implementation we could do would be where
> users visit the slippy map without having a location set in
> their cookie. Currently we guess at a location via IP
> address, but it would be good (and not difficult) to use the
> geolocation API here instead, falling back on the existing
> IP-based method if the API isn't present or if the user
> declines to authorise permission.

Well my IP must say UK, because of instead of being anywhere near Australia the 
map defaults to the UK.

> P.S  The next step for browser-based map interfaces might
> be a compass bearing API - so that we can rotate maps to
> match the orientation of the user... :-)

I hope this is never made the default, because among other reasons from a 
technical point of view digital self calibrating compasses tend to get "stuck" 
around electronic and electric devices and anything else that generates an 
electromagnetic fields.

To get a G1 to reset itself you have to do big figures 8's in the air and look 
like a clown doing weird waving motions in the air at the same time.

There are apps that rotate maps on android and if you are moving they try to be 
responsive and you get sea sick watching the map go round in circles at time.


  

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[OSM-talk] 3D-Routing through OSM available at OSM-3D.org

[Alexander Zipf]

Hello

you can now plan a route online at OSM-3D.org within the XNavigator 
OSM-3D client (Java3D) and then fly interactively along the route 
presented in 3D.
Currently the routing is available for cars (fastest/shortest) as well 
as for pedestrians or bicycles for all of Germany.
It is also possible to create an animation that follows the 3D route 
automatically. The service is powered by an extended version of 
OpenRouteService.org.
The data from OSM-3D.org is generated by combining data from 
OpenStreetMap and SRTM elevation data.

Start and Goal of the route can be specified by picking into the 3D 
scene or by searching for adresses using the OSM-based OpenLS geocoder. 
Turn by turn instructions are available for several languages. Further 
options inlude a graph of the height profile of the route.

The new download version of XNavigator also supports the integration of 
dynamic sensor data (air pollution, water gauges etc.) into the 3D scene 
through the OGC Sensor Observation Service (SOS) as a very first prototype.

as always: work in progress...

have fun
a.z.

http://www.osm-3d.org  - OpenStreetMap 3D Germany
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM-3D

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Re: [OSM-talk] map with FF 3.5 geolocation und hostip

[Frankie Roberto]

This thread seems to have been slightly side-tracked, but to take it back to
the original suggestion, browser-based geolocation APIs are really quite a
big deal, and are something we should definitely look to support.

The most obvious implementation we could do would be where users visit the
slippy map without having a location set in their cookie. Currently we guess
at a location via IP address, but it would be good (and not difficult) to
use the geolocation API here instead, falling back on the existing IP-based
method if the API isn't present or if the user declines to authorise
permission.

A more complicated interaction would be where the user has a location set in
their cookie (eg of the place they were last interested in), but has since
moved location, and wants to see the map of where they are now. For this,
we'd probably want some kind of button (which only appears if you have the
geolocation API in your browser) which would re-centre the map on their
browser-provided geolocation.

A final scenario is where the user is in motion, and wants the map to pan so
that it 'follows' their movements. This is unlikely for most desktop
computers, but can be interesting when you've got a laptop open on a train
(which is how I've tested it), or of course are using a mobile device (and
I'm not sure of any which implement the browser geolocation API yet, but it
can only be a matter of time).

I only currently only know of the W3C draft standard geolocation API (
http://dev.w3.org/geo/api/spec-source.html), which Firefox 3.5 implements,
or available on older versions using the Georde plugin, and the Google Gears
geolocation API (http://code.google.com/apis/gears/api_geolocation.html)
which is almost identical to the standard one, apart from a few minor
details.

I don't think OpenLayers currently supports this functionality natively
(although maybe there are plans to do so?), but I've got a script working
locally that interfaces with OpenLayers to provide this, and there are
dozens of others (Aaron has one too:
http://github.com/straup/js-iamheremap/tree/master, working example here:
http://www.aaronland.info/iamhere/).

If people think that adding this functionality would be useful, then I'd be
happy to help implement it (I've very nearly got the Rails port working
locally - just a couple more dependencies to go...)

Frankie

P.S  The next step for browser-based map interfaces might be a compass
bearing API - so that we can rotate maps to match the orientation of the
user... :-)

On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:41 PM, John Smith  wrote:

>
> --- On Sat, 4/7/09, Aun Yngve Johnsen  wrote:
>
> > Totally agree, I would love to see more OSM in the press,
> > but I have absolutely no clue in how to manage it...
>
> Ask Apple or Mozilla for help?
>
>
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