[Talk-transit] Tools for viewing and dealing with the NaPTAN data...
I now have lots of great bus stop data in Suffolk and I want to check it and sort out any issues. However I am getting a bit lost re which tools are available to help check and improve the NaPTAN data and NPTG data in OSM. Could someone add brief description and links to the wiki? They could be added as a new section on the main naptan page. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN Regards, Peter Miller ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Weird stations in the UK (as shown on Google maps)
Hi Peter, Nice work! Just goes to show some of the advantages of OSM - we can fix the data relatively quickly. Incidentally, according to Wikipedia Bank and Monument tube stations are treated operationally as one complex (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_and_Monument_stations), however on Google Maps they are shown separately: http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8ll=51.511694,-0.08656spn=0.005649,0.024462z=16 When tagging, I think we should generally follow the 'rule of ground' and tag what people perceive to be separate stations (eg most people would think of St Pancras as a single station). Frankie On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.comwrote: We have been doing some work for National Rail and this has highlighted a bunch of weirdnesses about what is a railway station and what is not a railway station. Some of weirdnesses are down to problems with data, but others show up operational issues. I have been proposing a more comprehensive model for complex interchanges within OSM and in might be interesting to see how one would map some of these onto this model (or not in the case of data errors. [1] I am showing that many of the problems also appear on Google Maps who also use NaPTAN. The images are in the set 'weird stations' ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/petereastern/sets/72157621968445655/ ) Reading Station, or Reading Stations? In NaPTAN and in Google there are two Reading stations[2]. The reason evidently is that for operation reasons the station is treated as two stations with the 'The Waterloo part of Reading is a separately coded rail station'. This does however seem weird on information displayed to the public. Curiously Clapham Junction station is divided into four stations for operational reasons but Google only shows one - possibly it deals with it as a special case as there are four stations in NaPTAN. There are two additional stations close to Albany Park Station (nr Sidcup) on Google Maps.[3] This is because two bus stops have incorrectly be coded as railways stations (and incidentally means we are likely to be 2 bus stops light on the import of the county). The data owner has been notified and this error should be fixed reasonably soon. There are two railway stations shown for Heathrow. One is actually a coach station from which 'RailAir' coaches operate so it is not really a railway station at all.[4] There are four station in the King's Cross/ St Pancras on Google[5]. Two for St Pancras station, one for King's Cross Station and then one for King's Cross/St Pancras. NaPTAN does have two stations for St Pancras (possibly the international section is treated as a separate station for operational reasons) but only seems to have one for King's Cross Station in NaPTAN. I am not sure where the combined one on Google has come from but it does possibly make sense to present them as a single station at some zoom levels. Finally, there is a mainline station shown for Newbury Park as well as an underground station on Google and in NaPTAN[6] even though it appears to be on the Central line with no connection to mainline services and the station doesn't appear in a station search on the National Rail website. Is this another NaPTAN mistake? [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Stop_Place [2] http://www.flickr.com/photos/petereastern/3839787944 [3] http://www.flickr.com/photos/petereastern/3839198147/in/set-72157621968445655/ [4] http://www.flickr.com/photos/petereastern/3839198227 [5] http://www.flickr.com/photos/petereastern/3838985737/ [6] http://www.flickr.com/photos/petereastern/3839310795/ ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Weird stations in the UK (as shown on Google maps)
Peter wrote: Finally, there is a mainline station shown for Newbury Park as well as an underground station on Google and in NaPTAN[6] even though it appears to be on the Central line with no connection to mainline services and the station doesn't appear in a station search on the National Rail website. Is this another NaPTAN mistake? [6] http://www.flickr.com/photos/petereastern/3839310795/ Google suggests there used to be a main line station there: http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/Newbury_Park.html and Wikipedia agrees http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbury_Park_tube_station My wife was there earlier this week. I think they've a fairly big bus area outside the station exit, but I don’t think there is a mainline station there now. Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Weird stations in the UK (as shown on Google maps)
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.comwrote: There are four station in the King's Cross/ St Pancras on Google[5]. Two for St Pancras station, one for King's Cross Station and then one for King's Cross/St Pancras. NaPTAN does have two stations for St Pancras (possibly the international section is treated as a separate station for operational reasons) but only seems to have one for King's Cross Station in NaPTAN. I am not sure where the combined one on Google has come from but it does possibly make sense to present them as a single station at some zoom levels. Is Kings Cross St. Pancras tube station part of the same station complex as St Pancras International/Domestic, I wonder? On the ground, I'd have said yes, but it's really mainly the name that connects, seeing as it's equally well connected physically with both St Pancras rail station and Kings Cross rail station. Mind you, I've always found Kings Cross to be confusing on the ground too - once almost missed my train by not realising that I needed Kings Cross Thameslink rather than Kings Cross. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Weird stations in the UK (as shown on Google maps)
Various comments on these: 1. Reading. If Heathrow Rail-air is shown, shouldn't the Reading end be shown? 2. St. Pancras is indeed two stations. Midland Main Line services depart from platforms at the far-end of the main train shed, has separate ticketing etc.. The 'interchange' between this and the Underground is quite a decent walk, although nothing like as bad as it was before the International station opened. There is a set of platforms under the main-line station (used to be Thameslink), but as I've never used them don't know their status, other than for the traveller they're quite distinct. 3. I thought the extra Kings-X might be the local line to Royston and Cambridge, which used to be pretty disjunct from the rest of Kings-X, but on the map it looks like the underground station has been rewarded with the old British Rail symbol to signify an interchange, but this isn't true of some of the dubious interchange stations (e.g., Euston Square). 4. I think RailAir is a typical exception which one has to live with. There are plenty of railways where some services are operated by buses which depart from a separate location. However, ticketing etc is entirely in the hands of the railway operator. For instance the line to Skegness has Mablethorpe on the timetable described as a rail-replacement bus (although I think the railway line has been disused for 40-odd years). Hope this adds grist to the mill! ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-si] Dovoljenje za uvoz meje
Pozdrav. Kar nekaj pogovorov in prepričevanja je bilo potrebnega, da so nam izdali pisno dovoljenje. Sedaj je tu :-) Ga. Kristina Perko iz GURS je napisala: Spoštovani, Geodetska uprava RS dovoljuje uporabo in objavo podatkov Državne meje, ki je objavljena na spletni strani: http://prostor.gov.si/vstop/index.php?id=425 za projekt OSM. Pri objavi državne meje morate navesti: - vir: Javne informacije Slovenije, Geodetska uprava Republike Slovenije, Državna meja, stanje 2008 - izdelana mora biti tudi povezava na spletno stran Geodetske uprave RS: www.gu.gov.si Lep pozdrav, Kristina Perko __ Geodetska uprava Republike Slovenije Zemljemerska ulica 12, SI-1000 LJUBLJANA Tel.: +386 (0)1 478.48.38 Fax: +386 (0)1 478.48.45 http://www.gu.gov.si Če se prav spomnim je nekdo že omenil, da ima pripravljeno .osm datoteko za uvoz, zato kar pogumno. Ta uvoz lahko naredim tudi sam, če pa ima kdo že vse pripravljeno pa še toliko bolje. Aleš Rom ___ Talk-si mailing list Talk-si@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-si
Re: [Talk-si] Dovoljenje za uvoz meje
Pri toliko dokumenti, kolikor jih imajo objavljenih, lahko res vsak najde sebi najbolj ustreznega :) Na strani s podatki http://www.gu.gov.si/si/delovnapodrocja_gu/podatki_gu/brezplani_podatki/ so izpostavljeni le pogoji, nam ugodnejši cenik pa je precej bolj skrit. Zagovorniki odprte kode bi se nad takimi interpretacijami najbrž križali, Če je nekaj po ceniku zastonj (free as in beer) to še ne pomeni, da se lahko mirno zanemari vse druge pogoje, ki pridejo s predmetom poželenja (recimo GPL licence pri programih ali CC licenca pri podatkih). Slovenski in angleški pogoji so praktično identični, le da so angleški v obliki besedila, ki ga je laže kopirati in citirati, zato bom seciral tega (tokrat z mislijo na cenik): The Client shall undertake to ensure that in case of internet publication the data shall be used only as a basis for presenting other content and shall not be presented independently. Ok, temu se na začetku še nekako izognemo, ker imamo tudi druge podatke za pokazat. Nikomur pa ne smemo preprečevati, da iz OSM ne bi izluščil samo teh podatkov in jih razpečeval naprej pod drugačnimi pogoji (konkretno cc-by-sa licenca namesto GURSovih pogojev). The Client shall not be permitted to distribute the data to third persons unless it is expressly permitted in a contract or by other means. Ok, tu lahko smatramo, da imamo izrecno dovoljenje by other means. The Client shall secure data and products thereof from unauthorized access by third parties. Se pravi, da imajo tretje osebe avtomatsko pravico (avtorizacijo dostopa) do brezplačnih podatkov? Po mojem to avtorizacijo dobijo šele ko GURSu javijo za kakšen namen bodo uporabljali podatke in sprejmejo GURSove pogoje, kar pa je daleč od duha cc-by-sa licence. Če si tisti cenik interpretiramo enako kot za državno mejo bi enako moralo veljati tudi za občine in vse ostale podatke na http://www.gu.gov.si/si/delovnapodrocja_gu/podatki_gu/brezplani_podatki/ ki imajo ceno v ceniku 0€. Papirologijo se da urediti (oz bolje rečeno izsiliti) tudi s priporočenim dopisom posameznika (ker zaenkrat pač še nismo drugače organizirani), s katerim se jih zaradi nejasnih pogojev obvesti o razumevanju njihovih pogojev in namenu uvoza podatkov v OSM (in vsemi posledicami) v kolikor temu izrecno ne nasprotujejo. Za razmislek in morebiten odgovor se jim pusti kak mesec (da pride do prave osebe, preštudirajo licence...). Če po poteku tega roka nasprotovanja ni, oz je odgovor v stilu pogoje imamo objavljene na spletu je to za nas zelena luč za uvoz, ker smo jih seznanili s svojo interpretacijo njihovih pogojev in namenom. lp, Štefan 2009/8/20 Damjan Gerli dam...@damjan.net: Takole. File osm z mejo dobite tukaj: http://www.damjan.net/tmp/slo_meja_gurs.7z Upam da bo prav, saj je prvič da sem naredil nekaj takega (pretvorba iz GaussKrugerjevih koordinat v wgs84 je bila narejena s 7-parametrično pretvorbo)... Kar se tiče meje na italijanski strani lahko pregledam in zamenjam jaz. Namreč italijanska meja je bila pred kratkim ažurirana, vseeno pa se mi zdi sloveska verzija boljša, saj predstavlja vsaka točka en mejni kamen, ki je tudi dosegljiv na terenu. Po pregledu nekaj kamnov na mejnem prehodu Šempolaj/Gorjansko pa menim da je slovenska verzija meje točnejša in se italijanska ne ujema s postavljenimi mejnimi kamni. Kar se pa tiče GURS-a bi jaz povprašal, če bi se morda isto dalo narediti tudi za občine... lp Damjan G. -Izvirno sporočilo- Od: talk-si-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-si-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namesto Ales rom Poslano: 20. avgust 2009 18:56 Za: talk-si@openstreetmap.org Zadeva: Re: [Talk-si] Dovoljenje za uvoz meje Roman, zelo dobro si zadel. Ko sem se pogovarjal z GURS so ves čas trdili, da so njihovi brezplačni podatki na voljo vsakomur. Tudi OSM sem jim dovolj podrobno opisal, da vedo, kaj bo s temi podatki. (tudi sedaj se zavedajo, da ni sledljivosti) Prav tako sem jih seznanil s CC licenco pod katerimi so na voljo OSM podatki. Kar se tiče njihovih pogojev uporabe pa pravijo, da prvenstveno veljajo za podatke, ki jih nekdo pridobi za plačilo in preprečujejo preprodajo. Vem, da bi se pravniki zgrozili nad tako dikcijo, ampak Ustno, so mi trije različni zaposleni z GURS zagotovili, da naj jih kar uporabimo. Kljub temu sem vztrajal naj to napišejo, saj previdnost ni nikoli odveč. Povedali so mi, da je tudi njihov interes, da je meja čimbolj natančno označena. Če mene vprašate, verjamem, da je e-sporočilo v tem primeru dovolj in ne potrebujemo papirne odločbe ali kaj podobnega. Verjetno nas čaka le še sladko delo. Uvoz celotne meje, nato pa preverjanje, koliko se razlikuje od že vnešene. Morda bi vsakdo vzel eno državo in jo natančno obdelal. Kolikor sem sam gledal tudi meja z Avstrijo nekje ni najbolj natančna. Hvala, Aleš 2009/8/20 Roman Maurer roman.mau...@amis.net Citiram Stefan Baebler stefan.baeb...@gmail.com: Njihovi pogoji pa so vseeno tricky, namreč: ...
[OSM-legal-talk] Mapmaker Data for Africa Released
Hi! According to [1], G**gle released the dataset for Africa on [2]. They say, non-profit organizations can use it. Does that include OSM? Alex [1] http://google-africa.blogspot.com/ [2] https://services.google.com/fb/forms/mapmakerdatadownload/ ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mapmaker Data for Africa Released
Alexander Menk schrieb: According to [1], G**gle released the dataset for Africa on [2]. They say, non-profit organizations can use it. Does that include OSM? See https://services.google.com/fb/forms/mapmakerdatadownload/ Please don't use the Map Maker Source Data if: [...] (c) you want to create a mapping service (such as driving directions); or (d) you want to create any other service that is similar to a service already provided by Google through its products and APIs. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Software using open street map data and Licensing model / restrictions
Hi, I am developing a Location based application that will both be available on mobile devices and on the internet. I plan to use OSM data, convert it and import it into my custom designed database. I also plan to generate my own tiles based on OSM data, certainly aggregated with other commercial and non.commercial (open) data sources. My mobile client will download the tiles that I will have generated and display them with Point of Interest information that will be coming from OSM, commercial data, and user generated content / POIs . What I want to know is if my application itself and my website (that will be presenting a google/OSM style Ajax map) has to be licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 or is it only the subset of OSM data the I will be working with ? Is it OK to sell my application provided that references and links to OSM are provided when OSM based Tiles and POIs are presented and used inside my app ?? What exactly can I do with the OSM licensing model when I use OSM data into my application (note that the data is not included as-is in the app but downloaded as tiles inside my client) Many thanks for your insights ! ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Software using open street map data and Licensing model / restrictions
Hi, Alex wrote: My mobile client will download the tiles that I will have generated and display them with Point of Interest information that will be coming from OSM, commercial data, and user generated content / POIs . What I want to know is if my application itself and my website (that will be presenting a google/OSM style Ajax map) has to be licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 No, you are free to license your application any way you like. or is it only the subset of OSM data the I will be working with ? If you produce tiles that contain OSM data then those tiles - including all commercially sourced data depicted on them - must be licensed CC-BY-SA, i.e. anyone is free to trace the commercial data off the tiles. You can only circumvent that effect by creating overlay tiles and display them on top of each other in the client (i.e. base tiles from OSM = CC-BY-SA, overlay tiles with commercial data = proprietary license). What exactly can I do with the OSM licensing model when I use OSM data into my application (note that the data is not included as-is in the app but downloaded as tiles inside my client) Anything you produce from OSM data must be CC-BY-SA licensed (e.g. if you compile OSM data into some special compressed map format for your application then these special compressed files must by CC-BY-SA). If you mix OSM data with someting else into an end product then that end product must also be CC-BY-SA. If your application displays OSM data loaded from file 1 and proprietary data loaded from file 2, then you can keep the licenses separate. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] Twitter bots
Hi everyone, This weekend, I hacked together a quick twitter bot, which now tweets all changesets in a certain are (in my case, Darmstadt, Germany) - see http://twitter.com/osm_darmstadt I've found it quite useful thus far, on the one hand I write better changeset comments, because I know they will be on Twitter, on the other hand, I see what happens in my community. If you want to run a similar bot, you can find the source at http://git.alech.de/?p=osm_twitter_bots.git Alternatively, I can add a bit of code to run more than one bot at a time and run a few of them for you (until I hit the Twitter API limits), I'd only need a name and a bounding box for that. Cheers, Alex signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
On 20/08/2009, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Ayre wrote: If I draw the outline of a strip mall (a connected string of shops) this represents several businesses together. If I then put nodes on them and give the nodes names Mapnik won't render the names unless they are amenities. But not all businesses are amenities. I'd say that you need to tag them as what they are. If they're shops, then use shop=*, and if it's a company's office then we need to have a tag for that and add it to the renderers. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions
Roy Wallace wrote: But I agree with Tobias also - we should first create a good concept for modelling the lanes themselves. Tobias, could you link to the latest/most promising proposal, if there is one? If we already had a superior proposal, this would be a lot easier. What we have so far is: * a German-only page that lists some alternatives, mostly tag-based solutions: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_Germany/Workshops/Linienb%C3%BCndel * a rather old proposal I've created myself (though I'm no longer convinced it would work in practice, it's probably a bit too complex to be widely used without editor support): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lane_and_lane_group * some unconnected suggestions like this talk page entry (that didn't go anywhere so far, but a proposal based on the idea could actually work): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Advanced_footway_and_cycleway#Expanding_this_proposal_to_include_multi-lane_tagging Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder
UK - usually black on white. Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Erik Johansson [mailto:e...@kth.se] Sent: 19 August 2009 12:26 To: Tijs Zwinkels Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Tijs Zwinkelsopenstreet...@tumblecow.net wrote: The project is right now trained to read dutch street-signs, but as long as they have a distinct color, there's no reason why it couldn't read foreign street-signs. Read this: http://code.google.com/p/signfinder/wiki/TrainingOtherCountries Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white -- /emj ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway
Nop A very good way of trying to draw some of the thoughts together - although a very challenging project! Full marks for the effort anyway! I have added a few extra bits and pieces to the wiki page to highlight some more existing tags and practices that probably need to be brought into a consolidation attempt. Mike Harris -Original Message- From: ekkeh...@gmx.de [mailto:ekkeh...@gmx.de] Sent: 19 August 2009 16:22 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway Hi! The discussion has died down again. Much was said and I even had the impression that there was a little progress in some details. But, as usual, we don't have a result. Therefore I have started a consolidation page in the wiki to collect the problems, use cases and ideas for resolving them. I would like to invite all of you who are interested in working on the matter to contribute your recollection to the page and maybe develop it into a solution proposal that is not a one-man endeavour but well discussed by a group of people. You'll find the start of it here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Consolidation_footway_cycleway_path Once we have collected the pieces from this discussion, it might be a good idea to invite folks on national mailing lists to join in and contribute their use cases. bye Nop -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/atbrowser ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-be] Mijn icoontjes?
filip wolters wrote: Neen, ik begrijp het niet meer. In onderstaande link zie je dat voor bv. een cinema alleen een node kan gebruikt worden. En een plaats om een auto te huren kunnen zowel met node als area gemaakt worden. Waar zit de logica en waar vind ik een plaats waar alles goed beschreven staat hoe iets gemapt moet worden, met welke gereedschappen. http://toolserver.org/~kolossos/osm/osmhack.php?lat=50.86lon=4.42name=Belgium#Sport Ach, dat is inderdaad niet erg consequent gedocumenteerd, maar wat die map features pagina ook zegt, voor alles van shop/amenity/sport/nog_een_paar dat je op een node kan zetten, kan je ook op een polygoon zetten, al dan niet samen met building=yes als het om de omtrek van een gebouw gaat. Zelf logisch nadenken gaat in dit geval boven de wiki. Relaties, wat is je probleem hiermee? Meeste relaties zijn toch goed gedocumenteerd op de wiki. bus-node op of naast de weg eeuwige discussie. Ik doe zelf naast de weg, anderen hebben een andere mening. Beide hebben een voordeel, maar het lijkt in OSM wel met alles meer af te stevenen op een naast de weg. met of zonder relatie, moesten alle buslijnen in OSM zitten, dan had elke halte de relaties van die buslijnen. Maar het probleem zit hem dus in het feit dat we maar een heel klein aantal buslijnen hebben zitten in OSM, dus de meeste haltes hebben op dit moment geen relatie. Of bedenk ik me nu: bedoel je een soort relatie met de weg waar de bushalte zich bevindt zelf? welke features mogen gebruikt alles mag gebruikt worden, inclusief niet goedgekeurde, eigen verzonnen tags. Als je iets de moeite vindt om te mappen, dan doe je dat gewoon en welke moeten nog goedgekeurd worden. Over wat we goedkeuring kunnen noemen, kunnen we ook nog wel een boompje opzetten. Als je bang bent een tag te gebruiken die niet is goedgekeurd, dan hoef je dat absoluut niet te zijn. Uiteindelijk zal wat vaak gebruikt wordt de facto goedgekeurd zijn. Alleen ontbreekt het dus soms wel aan documentatie. Denk je in een situatie te zitten waarbij iemand anders toch zeker al iets dergelijks moet gemapt hebben, maar je kan het niet vinden op de wiki, probeer dan bijvoorbeeld eens door tagwatch te snuffelen. Je hoort het, de hele rimram. Nu is het een zoektocht door verschillende sites, menu's, google hier google daar. Zowel de mapper als diegene die de kaarten willen gebruiken worden afgeschrikt door het ondoorzichtige van het geheel. Dat is waar, maar niet bepaald snel op te lossen. OSM is nog erg jong en moet daarin nog heel wat groeien. Bedenk dat nog geen twee-en-half jaar geleden de kaart in Antwerpen er bijvoorbeeld zo uit zag: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/archive/5/57/20070310155430!Antwerp.png dan zie je wel hoe jong alles nog is. Dus geef het nog een beetje tijd. Zoals vaak loopt documentatie altijd achter, want mappers zijn er nu eenmaal meer dan mensen die ook documentatie neerpennen :-) Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Historic Mapping needs help Now!
Thanks Roy, I'll look into that. There seems to be plenty of interest so hopefully we'll be able to flesh out something to be approved by the wider community. Cheers, Joseph 2009/8/19 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Joseph Reevesiknowjos...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like start_date and end_date would work fine in this situation. Can I just point out, the proposal I linked to before (link below) met with some objections to start_date and end_date, so you may want to re-think the situation more broadly and address the proposal before going ahead. Of course, if you're mapping the event before the proposal is sorted, go for it, but then come back and contribute to the discussion :) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/4th_Dimension ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-be] Mijn icoontjes?
On Thursday 20 August 2009 12:28:07 pm Ben Laenen wrote: Ach, dat is inderdaad niet erg consequent gedocumenteerd, maar wat die map features pagina ook zegt, voor alles van shop/amenity/sport/nog_een_paar dat je op een node kan zetten, kan je ook op een polygoon zetten, al dan niet samen met building=yes als het om de omtrek van een gebouw gaat. Zelf logisch nadenken gaat in dit geval boven de wiki. Oh yes ! I love apples too. But maybe send your message to the right ML (or in the right language) will give more attention to your message :) -- Vincent MEURISSE ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder
From: Erik Johansson [mailto:e...@kth.se] Sent: 19 August 2009 12:26 To: Tijs Zwinkels Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder Since this version can't be trained to handle white background signs, I wonder what color are streetname signs around the world? Netherlands white on blue Sweden black on white Except for Gothenburg, where we have white on blue, and use even number on the left side of the street. We do things differently here. /Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-be] Mijn icoontjes?
Vincent MEURISSE wrote: On Thursday 20 August 2009 12:28:07 pm Ben Laenen wrote: Ach, dat is inderdaad niet erg consequent gedocumenteerd, maar wat die map features pagina ook zegt, voor alles van shop/amenity/sport/nog_een_paar dat je op een node kan zetten, kan je ook op een polygoon zetten, al dan niet samen met building=yes als het om de omtrek van een gebouw gaat. Zelf logisch nadenken gaat in dit geval boven de wiki. Oh yes ! I love apples too. But maybe send your message to the right ML (or in the right language) will give more attention to your message :) Oops, yeah, I meant to send this to talk-be -- that happens if you have to reply to someone who didn't send his reply to the list:-) Thanks for notifying Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-be] Mijn icoontjes?
Interesting discussion - I see the Dutch documentation has the same sort of limitations as the English! ... But shouldn't this be in the Dutch discussion group?! Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Ben Laenen [mailto:benlae...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 August 2009 11:28 To: filip wolters; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-be] Mijn icoontjes? filip wolters wrote: Neen, ik begrijp het niet meer. In onderstaande link zie je dat voor bv. een cinema alleen een node kan gebruikt worden. En een plaats om een auto te huren kunnen zowel met node als area gemaakt worden. Waar zit de logica en waar vind ik een plaats waar alles goed beschreven staat hoe iets gemapt moet worden, met welke gereedschappen. http://toolserver.org/~kolossos/osm/osmhack.php?lat=50.86lon=4.42name =Belgium#Sport Ach, dat is inderdaad niet erg consequent gedocumenteerd, maar wat die map features pagina ook zegt, voor alles van shop/amenity/sport/nog_een_paar dat je op een node kan zetten, kan je ook op een polygoon zetten, al dan niet samen met building=yes als het om de omtrek van een gebouw gaat. Zelf logisch nadenken gaat in dit geval boven de wiki. Relaties, wat is je probleem hiermee? Meeste relaties zijn toch goed gedocumenteerd op de wiki. bus-node op of naast de weg eeuwige discussie. Ik doe zelf naast de weg, anderen hebben een andere mening. Beide hebben een voordeel, maar het lijkt in OSM wel met alles meer af te stevenen op een naast de weg. met of zonder relatie, moesten alle buslijnen in OSM zitten, dan had elke halte de relaties van die buslijnen. Maar het probleem zit hem dus in het feit dat we maar een heel klein aantal buslijnen hebben zitten in OSM, dus de meeste haltes hebben op dit moment geen relatie. Of bedenk ik me nu: bedoel je een soort relatie met de weg waar de bushalte zich bevindt zelf? welke features mogen gebruikt alles mag gebruikt worden, inclusief niet goedgekeurde, eigen verzonnen tags. Als je iets de moeite vindt om te mappen, dan doe je dat gewoon en welke moeten nog goedgekeurd worden. Over wat we goedkeuring kunnen noemen, kunnen we ook nog wel een boompje opzetten. Als je bang bent een tag te gebruiken die niet is goedgekeurd, dan hoef je dat absoluut niet te zijn. Uiteindelijk zal wat vaak gebruikt wordt de facto goedgekeurd zijn. Alleen ontbreekt het dus soms wel aan documentatie. Denk je in een situatie te zitten waarbij iemand anders toch zeker al iets dergelijks moet gemapt hebben, maar je kan het niet vinden op de wiki, probeer dan bijvoorbeeld eens door tagwatch te snuffelen. Je hoort het, de hele rimram. Nu is het een zoektocht door verschillende sites, menu's, google hier google daar. Zowel de mapper als diegene die de kaarten willen gebruiken worden afgeschrikt door het ondoorzichtige van het geheel. Dat is waar, maar niet bepaald snel op te lossen. OSM is nog erg jong en moet daarin nog heel wat groeien. Bedenk dat nog geen twee-en-half jaar geleden de kaart in Antwerpen er bijvoorbeeld zo uit zag: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/images/archive/5/57/20070310155430!Antwerp.png dan zie je wel hoe jong alles nog is. Dus geef het nog een beetje tijd. Zoals vaak loopt documentatie altijd achter, want mappers zijn er nu eenmaal meer dan mensen die ook documentatie neerpennen :-) Ben ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
James Livingston wrote: On 20/08/2009, at 10:29 AM, Andrew Ayre wrote: If I draw the outline of a strip mall (a connected string of shops) this represents several businesses together. If I then put nodes on them and give the nodes names Mapnik won't render the names unless they are amenities. But not all businesses are amenities. I'd say that you need to tag them as what they are. If they're shops, then use shop=*, and if it's a company's office then we need to have a tag for that and add it to the renderers. I think there might be a need for a business tag. Amenities and shops are places Joe Public would visit, but in business parks and industrial estates most buildings would not meet these criteria so might only get a building tag at best. The building tag could be a multiple value tag like building, so: business=yes or business=printer or business=pr_consultant or business=logistics or business=medical_devices or ... Choose business=yes and add a name tag if thats all you know, but add business=whatever if you know more. The extra tags like telephone numbers, website etc would give more details. This might (eventually) give the basis for a business directory. Renderers would render business=* generally with the name and some business types might get an icon too. Is it worth pursuing? Cheers, Chris ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] New Hi Vis Vests available
I'll be in London for the AGM and later for our Anniversary get-together. If anyone would like to purchase a new Hi-Viz OSM Surveyor vest please let me know so that I can bring down the right quantity and size range. They are available in Small, Medium, Large and Extra Large and the design is exactly as before. Cost is £10 each. Cash or cheque on the day or paypal to OSMF via the donation page (please state Hi Viz Vest in the paypal section so they can be tracked). For those who will not be attending on Saturday I'll email/wiki more details on how you get hold of a vest next week so please don't respond with a request to this email unless I will see you on Saturday. We have 200 vests available and more can be ordered, so there are plenty to go around. Cheers Andy Robinson (blackader) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Hi Vis Vests available
--- On Thu, 20/8/09, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: If anyone would like to purchase a new Hi-Viz OSM Surveyor vest please let What do they look like? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Hi Vis Vests available
El Jueves, 20 de Agosto de 2009, John Smith escribió: --- On Thu, 20/8/09, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: If anyone would like to purchase a new Hi-Viz OSM Surveyor vest please let What do they look like? IIRC, I talked to 80n and Andy about the hi-viz vests during SotM, and the idea was to re-use the existing photolithograph to print the new hi-viz vests. So, they should look just like the old ones. I would like to see some photos of everybody in the AGM wearing the new ones, anyway :-) -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Aviso: Este e-mail es confidencial y no debería ser usado por nadie que no sea el destinatario original. No se permite la reproducción mediante fotocopia, walkie-talkie, emisora de radioaficionado, satélite, televisión por cable, proyector, señales de humo, código morse, braille, lenguaje de signos, taquigrafía o cualquier otro medio. Bajo ningún concepto debe traducirse al francés este e-mail. Este e-mail no puede ser ridiculizado, parodiado, juzgado en una competición, o leído en voz alta con un acento gracioso llevando un bigote falso y/o cualquier tipo de sombrero, incluyendo pero no limitándose a pañuelos. No inciten ni provoquen a este e-mail. Si está medicándose, puede experimentar nauseas, desorientación, histeria, vómitos, pérdida temporal de la memoria a corto plazo y malestar general al leer este e-mail. Consulte a su médico o farmacéutico antes de leer este e-mail. Todas las modelos descritas en este e-mail son mayores de 18 años. Si ha recibido este e-mail por error es probablemente porque estaba borracho cuando escribí la dirección del destinatario. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
On 20/08/2009 04:03, Andrew Ayre wrote: Roy Wallace wrote: If I draw the outline of a strip mall (a connected string of shops) this represents several businesses together. If I then put nodes on them and give the nodes names Mapnik won't render the names unless they are amenities. But not all businesses are amenities. ... However, if business names don't appear on the online maps which most people will use, I'm not sure how good an investment of my time it is to go around photographing buildings and adding the names. I want what I do to benefit the most people. IN such circumstances I use building=... or landuse=retail to outline the combined structure or area, and then use landuse=retail NODES within them to label each unit (I don't do it for everything, usually just the larger ones, but that's me being lazy rather than any particular principle). The thing is, the Mapnik rendering does indeed render these (ditto landuse=industrial to pick out individual industrial units in an estate). Examples: http://osm.org/go/0ESQxVuz I think building=...+name=... is also rendered for building tags on nodes, though that's less appropriate in these circumstances. Useful though when you can't get or reasonably estimate the outline, but it's obviously second best. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Meeting Minutes WAS Re: Status of the Local Chapter working group
A quick reminder, there is a meeting scheduled for next Monday 24th to discuss the Local Chapters. There seems to be a lot of contention here about what the right way to move forward is. For example, many people feel excluded by calls they can't participate in. How about we take the approach that the License group have - anyone interested can add comments to the Local Chapters agreement page and we can discuss on the mailing list that is being set up for Local Chapters. We need a framework and dates though, otherwise Local Chapters will drift on for another year :-( . What I propose is that we set a date of the 18th September (4 weeks away) in which we as a group of people interested in Local Chapters can discuss and debate the way forward and then deliver a second draft of the agreement(s) that will allow those Local Chapters who are ready to go to sign up and get going. In the meantime, we'll mainly focus on textual commenting. If we need phone calls, we can arrange them as needed. Does this sound like a good way forward? -- Nick On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:55 PM, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 20/8/09, John McKerrell j...@mckerrell.net wrote: Just a small observation but if conf calls aren't allowed then I think complaints that things move too slowly should also be banned. I don't think any form of communication should be excluded, however decisions only based on conf calls is a different matter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM videos
David Earl wrote: Sent: 20 August 2009 1:31 PM To: osm Subject: [OSM-talk] SOTM videos I'd like to be able to refer some people to the Surrey Heath DC presentation (James Rutter) talk at SOTM. Any chance it could be available any time soon? +1 Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Local Chapters Meeting Minutes WAS Re: Status of the Local Chapter working group
--- On Thu, 20/8/09, Nick Black nickbla...@gmail.com wrote: snip Did a mailing list get sorted out? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Hi Vis Vests available
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:OSM_Hi_Vis_Back.jpg The front just has a very small version of same without the web address Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Iván Sánchez Ortega Sent: 20 August 2009 12:59 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New Hi Vis Vests available El Jueves, 20 de Agosto de 2009, John Smith escribió: --- On Thu, 20/8/09, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com wrote: If anyone would like to purchase a new Hi-Viz OSM Surveyor vest please let What do they look like? IIRC, I talked to 80n and Andy about the hi-viz vests during SotM, and the idea was to re-use the existing photolithograph to print the new hi-viz vests. So, they should look just like the old ones. I would like to see some photos of everybody in the AGM wearing the new ones, anyway :-) -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Aviso: Este e-mail es confidencial y no debería ser usado por nadie que no sea el destinatario original. No se permite la reproducción mediante fotocopia, walkie-talkie, emisora de radioaficionado, satélite, televisión por cable, proyector, señales de humo, código morse, braille, lenguaje de signos, taquigrafía o cualquier otro medio. Bajo ningún concepto debe traducirse al francés este e-mail. Este e-mail no puede ser ridiculizado, parodiado, juzgado en una competición, o leído en voz alta con un acento gracioso llevando un bigote falso y/o cualquier tipo de sombrero, incluyendo pero no limitándose a pañuelos. No inciten ni provoquen a este e-mail. Si está medicándose, puede experimentar nauseas, desorientación, histeria, vómitos, pérdida temporal de la memoria a corto plazo y malestar general al leer este e-mail. Consulte a su médico o farmacéutico antes de leer este e-mail. Todas las modelos descritas en este e-mail son mayores de 18 años. Si ha recibido este e-mail por error es probablemente porque estaba borracho cuando escribí la dirección del destinatario. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Proposed features/wilderness mountain buildings
I would be keen to hear any feedback on this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/wilderness_mountain_buildings#Proposed_features.2FWilderness_hut cheers...dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] SOTM videos
I'd like to be able to refer some people to the Surrey Heath DC presentation (James Rutter) talk at SOTM. Any chance it could be available any time soon? Thanks, David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Weather overlay
Has anyone ever made an whether-overlay for openstreetmap using the Google [1] or the Yahoo API [2]? I think this would be possible with mapnik: * load a planet.osm into some kind of db (or process it in-place with a sax-parser) * find the regions with ZIP, PLZ or whatever * fetch the whether-info for these regions * add the regions to a/the postgis-db * let a renderd render the overlay-tiles using a stylesheet that only displays those whether-regions * server them using openlayers as an overlay May i'll try this but I wanted to share the idea. Peter [1] http://www.google.com/ig/api?weather=londonhl=en [2] http://developer.yahoo.com/weather/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions
Wmm why can't we say: 1L for the leftmost lane 2L for the second lane from left 1R for the rightmost lane where left and right is seen in driving-direction. So then the 2 rightmode lane seperates you can talk about 1R and 2R. Peter Yann Coupin schrieb: Plus what does inner mean on a oneway road? I think it's crucial that lane 1 is either left or right depending uppon what is decided but that it stays the same accross the world. It'll be unusable otherwise. I propose 1 is left because we start to write from the left. It's completly arbitrary, but that way at least it follows a logic that stays the same accross the channel :) And since the tags are in latin characters, it's just to be consistent, not to ignore people writing in arabic or hebrew (if people still take offense, I did my best not to ;) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
Hi, 2009/8/20 Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com: Thanks. It's not tagging for the renderer, it's using the renderer to give me a hint that I might be doing things wrong. However, if business names don't appear on the online maps which most people will use, I'm not sure how good an investment of my time it is to go around photographing buildings and adding the names. In other words it's tagging for the renderer ;) I want what I do to benefit the most people. This is understandable, but right now people rarely benefit from OSM data at all other than making statistics. When it becomes more complete and more popular everyone will have forgotten the current mapnik style and there will be renders and other uses we're not imagining now. I guess when I map stuff there's a virtual user somewhere in my head that tries to make use of my data and right now his main use case is searching for stuff with all possible keywords (imagine what kind of queries people type into google) and he wants to know the coordinates and/or conact info. He's also a programmer and sometimes he wants to run some statistics or build a self navigating robot. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] San Francisco on The Register
Happened to notice this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/19/san_francisco_datasf_launch/ referring to: http://www.datasf.org/ There's a button to suggest other datasets/apps. Curious thing is, there don't seem to be any maps on the site itself, only data sets. (Maybe they had the same discussion as we keep having about maps on our home page!) David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:05:02 +0200, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Has anyone ever made an whether-overlay for openstreetmap using the Google [1] or the Yahoo API [2]? Probably not exactly what you're after, but you might find this interesting: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3991 Marble can be downloaded for Windows, Mac and Linux. Regards, Tom ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down
Proposal for tagging the general direction of a way as incline=up/down: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/incline_up_down ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Summary of Meeting with OSMF Counsel ...
I've shared a document with you: Summary of Meeting with OSMF Counsel ... http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZPN91k8AaLAZGM5NW14cHNfMWNoeGc4Y2hrhl=eninvite=CJ-c5YkG It's not an attachment -- it's stored online at Google Docs. To open this document, just click the link above. hi LWG 80n, i've written up some notes from the meeting with Clark in this document. it would be of greatly appreciated if you could have a quick look and make comments, either in the document or back via email. i hope to send this to the legal-talk mailing list next week to help wider discussion. cheers, matt ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Summary of Meeting with OSMF Counsel ...
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:11 PM, zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: I've shared a document with you: Summary of Meeting with OSMF Counsel ... http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZPN91k8AaLAZGM5NW14cHNfMWNoeGc4Y2hrhl=eninvite=CJ-c5YkG It's not an attachment -- it's stored online at Google Docs. To open this document, just click the link above. hi LWG 80n, i've written up some notes from the meeting with Clark in this document. it would be of greatly appreciated if you could have a quick look and make comments, either in the document or back via email. i hope to send this to the legal-talk mailing list next week to help wider discussion. cheers, matt FAIL oh well - any comments would still be very much appreciated ;-) cheers, matt ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
The building tag could be a multiple value tag like building, so: business=yes or business=printer or business=pr_consultant or business=logistics or business=medical_devices or ... If it's a building use building=yes if it's a business-building use building=business if you know what business it is, add business=* see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Building Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
2009/8/20 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: IN such circumstances I use building=... or landuse=retail to outline the combined structure or area, and then use landuse=retail NODES within them to label each unit (I don't do it for everything, usually just the larger ones, but that's me being lazy rather than any particular principle). The thing is, Map Features doesn't acknowledge landuse as being valid on nodes. Obviously we're free to extend tagging schemes as we see fit, but the very name landuse seems to me ill-suited to a node item. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
IN such circumstances I use building=... or landuse=retail to outline the combined structure or area, and then use landuse=retail NODES within them to label each unit How can a node be of any landuse - it's no land, just a 0-dimensional point.. Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
On 20/08/2009 15:27, Peter Körner wrote: IN such circumstances I use building=... or landuse=retail to outline the combined structure or area, and then use landuse=retail NODES within them to label each unit How can a node be of any landuse - it's no land, just a 0-dimensional point.. You're reading too much into the word, as so often happens with tags IMO. Very often nodes are used as place-holders for more complete data later. Churches, for example, are often large structures but most are represented by nodes. As for Map features, so what? In the absence of any formal spec for OSM and a vehement camp that strongly believes there shouldn't be a spec, the renderers are king. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
On 20/08/2009 15:30, David Earl wrote: On 20/08/2009 15:27, Peter Körner wrote: IN such circumstances I use building=... or landuse=retail to outline the combined structure or area, and then use landuse=retail NODES within them to label each unit How can a node be of any landuse - it's no land, just a 0-dimensional point.. You're reading too much into the word, as so often happens with tags IMO. Very often nodes are used as place-holders for more complete data later. Churches, for example, are often large structures but most are represented by nodes. Oh, and one more thing: consider place=locality, a very useful tag. Clearly such nodes refer to areas, often large and substantial areas, yet to represent them as areas might often be very difficult as, depending on the nature of the feature, they don't necessarily have edges or firm boundaries you can map with an area, they often tend to be fuzzy concepts. Fordham Moor in Cambridgeshire was one such I came across recently (it's not a moor in the conventional sense BTW): http://osm.org/go/0EQ0am7Q-- David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
maybe you could skip the complete db and make a dynamic kml layer (by using a php file that outputs xml) in openlayers Rob 2009/8/20 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de Has anyone ever made an whether-overlay for openstreetmap using the Google [1] or the Yahoo API [2]? I think this would be possible with mapnik: * load a planet.osm into some kind of db (or process it in-place with a sax-parser) * find the regions with ZIP, PLZ or whatever * fetch the whether-info for these regions * add the regions to a/the postgis-db * let a renderd render the overlay-tiles using a stylesheet that only displays those whether-regions * server them using openlayers as an overlay May i'll try this but I wanted to share the idea. Peter [1] http://www.google.com/ig/api?weather=londonhl=en [2] http://developer.yahoo.com/weather/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder
Mike Harris wrote: UK - usually black on white. Denmark - New signs White on Blue. Old signs red on white. At least in these parts. I don't know if there's regulation in the area. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Rob r...@coolbegin.com wrote: maybe you could skip the complete db and make a dynamic kml layer (by using a php file that outputs xml) in openlayers Any suggestions on exporting admin boundaries from a database to kml format? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down
2009/8/20 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Proposal for tagging the general direction of a way as incline=up/down: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/incline_up_down I personally use the direction of way for steps in the (architectural) standard way that the way point upwards, i.e. the bottom of the steps is the beginning of the steps-way and the top the end. If we could agree to this general definition a separate incline-tag would not be neeeded. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GSoC End: signFinder
Poland, Greater Poland : White on blue and black on white. It can be different even in the same city... Regards, -- Łukasz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions
2009/8/20 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Wmm why can't we say: 1L for the leftmost lane 2L for the second lane from left 1R for the rightmost lane where left and right is seen in driving-direction. So then the 2 rightmode lane seperates you can talk about 1R and 2R. I'm opposing this approach of just tagging different lanes to one way as this gets too complicated in complex situations (I know situations with more than 18 lanes). I'd prefer to get to a map-all-lanes-and-dividers-as-separate-ways-approach and then recombine them with a relation, describing the possible changing from one lane to the other (possible-all-time, possible but legally prohibited, divider height=0.2m / 2m (Kerb/wall, whatever), green). This spacial representation would also allow to positionate additional objects at their actual spacial location (e.g. traffic-lights, bollards, speed-cams, guard-rails, lower kerbs, sculptures, trees, traffic-signs, benches, etc.) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM videos
+1 that presentation was amazing, and could have a huge impact on OSM use in government. From: David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com To: osm talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 5:30:41 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] SOTM videos I'd like to be able to refer some people to the Surrey Heath DC presentation (James Rutter) talk at SOTM. Any chance it could be available any time soon? Thanks, David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
Any suggestions on exporting admin boundaries from a database to kml format? If you have some kind of database anyway (e.g. postgis for mapnik-rendering on cassini, it shouldn't be the problem. You may also try query2map [1]. If none of this works for you, you may consider processing a planet.osm.bz2 with a sax-parser. See [2] for an example. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Query-to-map [2] http://cassini.toolserver.org/~mazder/duplicate-countries/from-planet.osm/source.tar.bz2 Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
2009/8/20 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: Oh, and one more thing: consider place=locality, a very useful tag. Clearly such nodes refer to areas, often large and substantial areas, yet to represent them as areas might often be very difficult as, depending on the nature of the feature, they don't necessarily have edges or firm boundaries you can map with an area, they often tend to be fuzzy concepts. Fordham Moor in Cambridgeshire was one such I came across recently (it's not a moor in the conventional sense BTW): http://osm.org/go/0EQ0am7Q-- I see where you're going with this (and with the church example) and I agree up as far as you've taken it. The difference IMHO is that these are two cases where you would draw a polygon if only you knew the correct extent. Whereas I'm not convinced that you would want to give each separate shop in a mall its own private landuse=retail area. I would instead apply a single landuse=retail polygon around the entire mall complex (including access roads and parking) and tag individual buildings as shops and buildings. The shops, of course, _can_ (according to Map Features facism) be validly represented as nodes. Dermot -- -- Iren sind menschlich ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: my JOSM 1981 + wmsplugin does not work :(
Hi, I recently upgraded my JOSM on Mac OS X to version 1981 and the wmsplugin does not work any more. I have not changed nothing in my previous WMS configuration and I only get red tiles=exceptions now. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions (new branch)
On 20/08/2009 04:53, David Earl wrote: On 20/08/2009 04:03, Andrew Ayre wrote: Roy Wallace wrote: If I draw the outline of a strip mall (a connected string of shops) this represents several businesses together. If I then put nodes on them and give the nodes names Mapnik won't render the names unless they are amenities. But not all businesses are amenities. ... However, if business names don't appear on the online maps which most people will use, I'm not sure how good an investment of my time it is to go around photographing buildings and adding the names. I want what I do to benefit the most people. IN such circumstances I use building=... or landuse=retail to outline the combined structure or area, and then use landuse=retail NODES within them to label each unit (I don't do it for everything, usually just the larger ones, but that's me being lazy rather than any particular principle). The thing is, the Mapnik rendering does indeed render these (ditto landuse=industrial to pick out individual industrial units in an estate). Examples: http://osm.org/go/0ESQxVuz I think building=...+name=... is also rendered for building tags on nodes, though that's less appropriate in these circumstances. Useful though when you can't get or reasonably estimate the outline, but it's obviously second best. David Thank you all for this discussion. It has been very helpful to me (living and mapping in a city full of strip malls). I concur that a way to tag offices would be helpful. Since this has been so helpful, I'd like to ask for advice on another question. In an urban/suburban setting (Tampa, Florida, US), where sidewalks are discontinuous (some blocks have them on both sides, some blocks only on one, some on neither), what is the preferred way to map and tag this? I have been tracing the actual sidewalks onto the map, but I have recently discovered that it is possible to tag streets to add footway=left or right or both, with the implication that if there is no footway tag then there are no footways. Anyway, I would appreciate comments and suggestions on the best way to handle this, especially in the car-centric environment here. Ed Hillsman ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Moving Map Application for eeebuntu
Hi, I 've a GPS USB dongle from Gisteq, and it works ok with roadnav.sf.net (this app is for navigation in US - you need to give a US state as part of destination ...), http://users.fulladsl.be/~spb13810/research/gisteqLivingRoadnav.png (10 sats in my living room..) I'm looking for a moving maps application, that uses geotiffs as background... Something like ttmpas, but for linux PCs.. http://jrepetto.free.fr/ttmaps/ The thing is I've got some tiffs (30% of Belguim), and I might be looking for more... See an example: border between France and Belgium, coast to Lille/Rijsel. http://users.fulladsl.be/~spb13810/research/ign/frontalier.tar.gz Thanks ! -- Shortwave transmissions in English, Francais, Deutsch, Suid-Afrikaans, Urdu, Cantonese, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese, ... http://users.fulladsl.be/spb13810/radio/swlist/ Stations list: http://users.fulladsl.be/spb13810/radio/txlist/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM videos
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: David Earl wrote: Any chance it could be available any time soon? +1 +1 This would als help the people who have not been able to join, to get more information what was going on there. This would provide more transparency about OSM and the OSMF to wider public. I know the work is done by volunteers. But to have some professionalism in the poject and for the wish of gaining some reputaion for the SOTM [1] it would be very good not to run into the same disaster as with the SOTM08 videos Looking at another conference, the yearly Chaos Communication Congress at Berlin: they provide videos from every talk in good quality [2]... This should be a possitive example for the SOTM. Best regards, Michael. add [1] and not to have the conference regarded as a meeting of some freaks... add [2] IIRC they provide the viodeos even in different formats/resolutions = different file sizes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions (new branch)
-- Since this has been so helpful, I'd like to ask for advice on another question. In an urban/suburban setting (Tampa, Florida, US), where sidewalks are discontinuous (some blocks have them on both sides, some blocks only on one, some on neither), what is the preferred way to map and tag this? I have been tracing the actual sidewalks onto the map, but I have recently discovered that it is possible to tag streets to add footway=left or right or both, with the implication that if there is no footway tag then there are no footways. It would be better to attach the footway / sidewalk information to the associated street / highway - this won't render today, but may in the future. I have been using the 'sidewalk' tag, because that was the first proposed feature I found at the time. That all may be sorted out in the future, and hopefully someone can automatically set these to the final recommendations. That sort of information is useful in the US because there are areas and eras of construction in which sidewalks were 'in', then 'out', now they're back 'in'. So one could envision a quick reference for 'neighborhoods with sidewalks'. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions
On Aug 20, 2009, at 7:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/20 Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de: Wmm why can't we say: 1L for the leftmost lane 2L for the second lane from left 1R for the rightmost lane where left and right is seen in driving-direction. So then the 2 rightmode lane seperates you can talk about 1R and 2R. I'm opposing this approach of just tagging different lanes to one way as this gets too complicated in complex situations (I know situations with more than 18 lanes). I'd prefer to get to a map-all-lanes-and-dividers-as-separate-ways-approach and then recombine them with a relation, describing the possible changing from one lane to the other (possible-all-time, possible but legally prohibited, divider height=0.2m / 2m (Kerb/wall, whatever), green). This spacial representation would also allow to positionate additional objects at their actual spacial location (e.g. traffic-lights, bollards, speed-cams, guard-rails, lower kerbs, sculptures, trees, traffic-signs, benches, etc.) how could you do this practically? aligning 18 lanes as individual ways is impossible in the current data model and editors. agree that ways with dividers should be separate ways because routing must know crossing is not allowed. adding this info to any lane concept will make it too complicated as soon as crossing is allowed all lanes can be modeled with any multi lane numbering scheme. having them as separate ways is wrong then because routing will not work for lane changes. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: my JOSM 1981 + wmsplugin does not work :(
Hi PB, you're wrong here. Go to josm ticket-system [1] and search for a ticket. If you're unable to find one, describing your problem, ask at the josm-dev list [2] or, if you're really sure that this is a bug (all components up2date and still happening), open a new ticket at [1]. Good luck! Peter [1] http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ [2] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: my JOSM 1981 + wmsplugin does not work :(
There was a major change. you need to upgrade the plugin and the settings for yahoo. these are my current settings and they work on Mac OS wmsplugin.default.html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/ YahooDirect.html?=true wmsplugin.default.http://onearth.jpl.nasa.gov/wms.cgi? request_GetMaplayers_global_mosaicstyles_format_image/jpeg=true wmsplugin.default.http://openaerialmap.org/wms/? VERSION_1.0request_GetMaplayers_worldstyles_format_image/jpeg=true wmsplugin.url.0.name=Landsat wmsplugin.url.0.url=http://onearth.jpl.nasa.gov/wms.cgi? request=GetMaplayers=global_mosaicstyles=format=image/jpeg wmsplugin.url.1.name=OpenCycleMap wmsplugin.url.1.url=html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/ OpenCycleMap.html? wmsplugin.url.2.name=OpenStreetMap wmsplugin.url.2.url=html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/ OpenStreetMap.html? wmsplugin.url.3.name=Terraserver Topo wmsplugin.url.3.url=http://terraservice.net/ogcmap.ashx? version=1.1.1request=GetMapLayers=drgstyles=format=image/jpeg wmsplugin.url.4.name=Terraserver Urban wmsplugin.url.4.url=http://terraservice.net/ogcmap.ashx? version=1.1.1request=GetMapLayers=urbanareastyles=format=image/jpeg wmsplugin.url.5.name=TilesAtHome wmsplugin.url.5.url=html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/ TilesAtHome.html? wmsplugin.url.6.name=Yahoo Sat wmsplugin.url.6.url=html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/ YahooDirect.html? On Aug 20, 2009, at 8:50 AM, PB wrote: Hi, I recently upgraded my JOSM on Mac OS X to version 1981 and the wmsplugin does not work any more. I have not changed nothing in my previous WMS configuration and I only get red tiles=exceptions now. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM videos
I've forwarded the request for this video to my colleague who is taking care of the conversion and uploading. martijn van exel http://schaaltreinen.nl/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Michael Kugelmannmichaelk_...@gmx.de wrote: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: David Earl wrote: Any chance it could be available any time soon? +1 +1 This would als help the people who have not been able to join, to get more information what was going on there. This would provide more transparency about OSM and the OSMF to wider public. I know the work is done by volunteers. But to have some professionalism in the poject and for the wish of gaining some reputaion for the SOTM [1] it would be very good not to run into the same disaster as with the SOTM08 videos Looking at another conference, the yearly Chaos Communication Congress at Berlin: they provide videos from every talk in good quality [2]... This should be a possitive example for the SOTM. Best regards, Michael. add [1] and not to have the conference regarded as a meeting of some freaks... add [2] IIRC they provide the viodeos even in different formats/resolutions = different file sizes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions
2009/8/20 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: how could you do this practically? aligning 18 lanes as individual ways is impossible in the current data model and editors. Why? It's very possible: just do it. Btw: I's not 18 lanes, but 1+parking+1+divider+2+divider+3+divider+3+divider+2+divider+buslane+divider+pedestrian+cyclelane+1+divider, so I was not just counting the lanes but also the dividers (and it's more than 18). Currently that's different ways (because of the dividers) with lanes=3, lanes=2, etc., which does somehow work, but not represent well the situation at junctions. agree that ways with dividers should be separate ways because routing must know crossing is not allowed. adding this info to any lane concept will make it too complicated Yes, but maybe you got me wrong: I suggested to draw and tag the dividers as well. as soon as crossing is allowed all lanes can be modeled with any multi lane numbering scheme. having them as separate ways is wrong then because routing will not work for lane changes. that what exactly my point: It _will_ be possible with this kind of relation, that indicates, where you can cross. This is IMHO necessary e.g. for motorway-ramps, separately mapped pavements and cycleways, etc. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM videos
On 20/08/2009 19:22, Martijn van Exel wrote: I've forwarded the request for this video to my colleague who is taking care of the conversion and uploading. Matt Williams pointed out to me that it actually *is* there, but it wasn't obvious because it's got the wrong title at the start - it's duplicated from the Traveline one, so I hadn't realised it was the one I wanted. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions
then we are closer as I thought. still mapping multiple parallel lanes with multiple lines is too difficult. consider a bestcase accuracy of +/- 2-3m with handheld gps and current areal pics. this is the size of a typical car lane. aligning many smaller structures is just magic guessing. therefore I wouldn't go so far to map dividers itself as they are in 99% aligned with the highway instead add an attribute for a cycle lane separated by a drawn line the current cycleway=lane is good enough too. is there any application or use case where you need such tiny details? On Aug 20, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/20 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: how could you do this practically? aligning 18 lanes as individual ways is impossible in the current data model and editors. Why? It's very possible: just do it. Btw: I's not 18 lanes, but 1+parking+1+divider+2+divider+3+divider+3+divider+2+divider+buslane +divider+pedestrian+cyclelane+1+divider, so I was not just counting the lanes but also the dividers (and it's more than 18). Currently that's different ways (because of the dividers) with lanes=3, lanes=2, etc., which does somehow work, but not represent well the situation at junctions. agree that ways with dividers should be separate ways because routing must know crossing is not allowed. adding this info to any lane concept will make it too complicated Yes, but maybe you got me wrong: I suggested to draw and tag the dividers as well. as soon as crossing is allowed all lanes can be modeled with any multi lane numbering scheme. having them as separate ways is wrong then because routing will not work for lane changes. that what exactly my point: It _will_ be possible with this kind of relation, that indicates, where you can cross. This is IMHO necessary e.g. for motorway-ramps, separately mapped pavements and cycleways, etc. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: my JOSM 1981 + wmsplugin does not work :(
other easy: Now all WMS address in WMSplugin ends with character ? or . html:http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wmsplugin/YahooDirect.html? http://onearth.jpl.nasa.gov/wms.cgi?request=GetMaplayers=global_mosaicstyles=format=image/jpeg; ha hanoj 2009/8/20 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: There was a major change. you need to upgrade the plugin and the settings for yahoo. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'm opposing this approach of just tagging different lanes to one way as this gets too complicated in complex situations (I know situations with more than 18 lanes). I'd prefer to get to a map-all-lanes-and-dividers-as-separate-ways-approach and then recombine them with a relation Which is too complicated in simple situations. Maybe one approach fits all just doesn't work. Honestly, I don't think any solution that /requires/ lanes to be mapped as ways can be successful, it will cause significant additional work when it comes to junctions, to moving ways and other editing operations. Neither do I think mappers should be required to use relations for simple cases. To me, the most sensible solution would be one that allows representation by a single way with the highway tags and several tags referring to individual lanes (in a way that doesn't even require you to add all lanes - you might only be interested in adding some detail to that cycle lane, for example). At the same time, the solution might offer the /option/ to split lanes off the collective highway (i.e. map them as own ways) and link them to the highway using a single relation as well. I believe it fits the project's general spirit to allow mappers to choose their level of detail (and other mappers to increase it if they are ready to invest the time). Lod steps could be described as 1. road without lane detail 2. road with partial lane data (think cycleway=lane) 3. road with full lane data, but no lane geometry 4. road with full lane data and partial lane geometry (e.g. individual ways only for pavements and bicycle lane, but not for the perfectly parallel car lanes) 5. road with full lane data and geometry Allowing only separate ways would take away the choices #3 and #4 and limit #2 to the sort of tags we already use (i.e. no proper ordering, no sub-tags for lanes). Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] wikipedia - english
I'm looking to implant some OSM maps into Wikipedia, but I need some examples of their wiki editing style so I don't get my edits rubbed out by the style police. Could people please advise me of wikipedia pages with OSM maps so I can view the style of the pages? Liz ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:30 AM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 20/08/2009 15:27, Peter Körner wrote: IN such circumstances I use building=... or landuse=retail to outline the combined structure or area, and then use landuse=retail NODES within them to label each unit How can a node be of any landuse - it's no land, just a 0-dimensional point.. You're reading too much into the word, as so often happens with tags IMO. Very often nodes are used as place-holders for more complete data later. Churches, for example, are often large structures but most are represented by nodes. But a church is still tagged as a church. This is not the same as tagging a business as a landuse node. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/20 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: Proposal for tagging the general direction of a way as incline=up/down: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/incline_up_down I personally use the direction of way for steps in the (architectural) standard way that the way point upwards, i.e. the bottom of the steps is the beginning of the steps-way and the top the end. If we could agree to this general definition a separate incline-tag would not be neeeded. What about a one-way way that points downhill? For this, incline=* is useful. It's also more explicit. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lane turn restrictions
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:48:18 +1000, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 6:11 AM, Tobias Knerro...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: I believe it fits the project's general spirit to allow mappers to choose their level of detail (and other mappers to increase it if they are ready to invest the time). +1 Lod steps could be described as 1. road without lane detail 2. road with partial lane data (think cycleway=lane) 3. road with full lane data, but no lane geometry 4. road with full lane data and partial lane geometry (e.g. individual ways only for pavements and bicycle lane, but not for the perfectly parallel car lanes) 5. road with full lane data and geometry So, the question becomes, which of the above are already achievable/in use with existing tags, which are in proposal stage, which need new proposals. And then back to the question, how to model LTR (lane turn restrictions) for ways with each of the above LOD's (level of detail). Obviously at least LOD 2 will be required. But we may find that it's only possible to model LTRs simply for ways with LOD 3 or above. As I see it, the tag lane=* can give enough information to how to number the lanes, if there are 3 lanes in the same direction number them 1 - 3 Left to Right. A lane turn restriction should be able to use these numbers in the roles in some way, and continue to work the same way as normal turn restrictions. member=someway1 role=from.1 (from lane 1) member=someway2 role=to.3 (into lane 3 of the other way) member=somenode role=via (the intersection) This approach shouldn't require too much complications for rendering, routing, and so on. An editor might even be able to check if the lane exists (with lane=* tag) in the to and from members. For the example previously in this thread, I think some grouping can be done, such as all lanes between two physical dividers should be tagged as one way, and all physical barriers that have a sensible tag should be tagged as such. A small curb and such barriers should not be tagged, but putting two highway=primary + oneway=yes in same direction parallel would indicate something like that. When such models becomes complicated, intersections needs to be grouped in special ways, maybe an intersection relation or an area tag? -- Brgds Aun Johnsen via Webmail ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] wikipedia - english
Liz wrote: I'm looking to implant some OSM maps into Wikipedia, but I need some examples of their wiki editing style so I don't get my edits rubbed out by the style police. Could people please advise me of wikipedia pages with OSM maps so I can view the style of the pages? Liz, See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Collaboration_with_Wikipedia and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap Jonathan. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down
2009/8/20 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: I personally use the direction of way for steps ... What about a one-way way that points downhill? For this, incline=* is useful. It's also more explicit. for ways it is indeed a plus. I was referring just to steps. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:54:23 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/20 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: I personally use the direction of way for steps ... What about a one-way way that points downhill? For this, incline=* is useful. It's also more explicit. for ways it is indeed a plus. I was referring just to steps. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk incline should hold a numeric value, to indicate how steep it is, positive value is up, and negative is down, if steepness isn't trivial, leave it out. If you just want to render a steep road sign, why not find out (roughly) how steep the incline is, and tag it with that numeric value? -- Brgds Aun Johnsen via Webmail ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: incline should hold a numeric value, to indicate how steep it is, positive value is up, and negative is down, if steepness isn't trivial, leave it out. If you just want to render a steep road sign, why not find out (roughly) how steep the incline is, and tag it with that numeric value? Yeah, numeric value is better, but up/down is better than nothing. I think both should be allowed and within the scope of the proposal. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down
2009/8/21 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Aun Johnsen (via Webmail)skipp...@gimnechiske.org wrote: incline should hold a numeric value, to indicate how steep it is, positive value is up, and negative is down, if steepness isn't trivial, leave it out. If you just want to render a steep road sign, why not find out (roughly) how steep the incline is, and tag it with that numeric value? Yeah, numeric value is better, but up/down is better than nothing. I think both should be allowed and within the scope of the proposal. if you already have good elevation data you can also tag the nodes with ele=xy (but nodes can always be moved, so this data might not be most reliable). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] wikipedia - english
Liz wrote: I'm looking to implant some OSM maps into Wikipedia, but I need some examples You should upload your maps to Wikimedia Commons, from where they can be used in all languages of Wikipedia. Place the uploaded images (PNG or SVG) in the category http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:OpenStreetMap_maps In that category, you will already find over 500 map images. If you click on, for example, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cape_Town_City_Bowl_OSM_map.svg then there should be a check usage tab at the top of the page, that will list Wikipedia pages that use that particular map. -- Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Twitter bots
Alexander Klink wrote: Hi everyone, This weekend, I hacked together a quick twitter bot, which now tweets all changesets in a certain are (in my case, Darmstadt, Germany) - see http://twitter.com/osm_darmstadt I've found it quite useful thus far, on the one hand I write better changeset comments, because I know they will be on Twitter, on the other hand, I see what happens in my community. If you want to run a similar bot, you can find the source at http://git.alech.de/?p=osm_twitter_bots.git Alternatively, I can add a bit of code to run more than one bot at a time and run a few of them for you (until I hit the Twitter API limits), I'd only need a name and a bounding box for that. I've set up two for the areas I am interested in: http://twitter.com/osmtucson http://twitter.com/osmeastriding I'll add links to these on the wiki pages for these areas. Andy -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Google Summer of Code 2009 - signFinder.
Hoi, klinkt fantastisch. Als volgende projectje Zou dit ook met paaltjes voor bushaltes kunnen? Ik ben bezig om de bushaltes in Gent, Belgie in te voeren in OSM. Telkens in mijn dictafoon inspreken wat de haltenaam is blijft echter omslachtig. Als ik er een foto van kan nemen dan hebben we - naam van de halte - referentienummer van de bushalte - tariferingszone Voorbeeldschema: http://www.gentbrugge.be/Info/DeLijn/DeLijn5.htm moeilijkheden: hier staat wel meer dan 1 stuk tekst op. voordelen: - het referentiebord is steeds hetzelfde - de tekst voor elk van de bovenstaande velden staat steeds op dezelfde plaats binnen het referentiekader - referentienummer zijn minder mogelijke karakters, want is steeds numeriek. ik kan mijn foto's voorzien van GPS coordinaten, maar niet van een richting. Als je interesse hebt dan zet ik wel wat foto's online. Hartelijk bedankt! Groeten, Sebastiaan 2009/8/19 Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com +1 Henk Hoff Op 19 augustus 2009 09:17 schreef Lambertus (o...@na1400.info) het volgende: Tijs, het lijkt me een prima geslaagde GSOC voor jou en OSM. Een dikke pluim en hartelijk bedankt voor je werk! We komen jou nog wel eens tegen bij OSM meetings denk ik :-) ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] Tonen plaatsnamen op lagere zoom-levels
Hallo, Het valt mij op dat er onverwachte plaatsnamen getoond worden als het zoomlevel lager wordt: http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/?lon=4.44213lat=52.02897zoom=12 Bij Zoetermeer en Pijnacker staat geen plaatsnaam, maar voor Haagoord of Noukoop worden wel teksten geplaatst. Veel van deze kleine namen zijn volgens mij niets echte plaatsen. Iemand enig idee hoe dit op te lossen? Gegroet, Frank ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Google Summer of Code 2009 - signFinder.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Sebastiaan Lampo schreef: Zou dit ook met paaltjes voor bushaltes kunnen? Jup. Maar dan komen we weer in het verkeersborden domein. En lezen vanaf bushalte paaltjes lijkt me niet ideaal. ik kan mijn foto's voorzien van GPS coordinaten, maar niet van een richting. Als je interesse hebt dan zet ik wel wat foto's online. Gewoon uploaden op openstreetphoto, kijken we er wel naar :) Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkqNVhAACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn1noQCbBgPU36aYvvDDhq5KlJbv/UtV cFUAnibLAWgoqrlCzD5sHx8W2ey1AGk6 =aXBS -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Tagging Vuelta wielerronde
Dag Henk, Is dat een eenmalig iets? Of wordt die route vaker gebruikt? Een eenmalig wielerronde lijkt me toch niet echt iets voor in de hoofd OSM database. Anders kan ik ook wel al m'n wandeltochten en hardlooprondjes gaan mappen. Groet, Floris Henk Hoff wrote: Ik ben bezig om de verschillende etappes van de Vuelta die in NL worden gereden volgend weekend, in een relatie weer te geven. Ik vraag me even af hoe ik deze het best kan taggen. Ik heb 'm nu als een regionaal fietsroute getagd. Iemand een betere oplossing? Zie: http://betaplace.emaitie.de/webapps.relation-analyzer/osm.jsp?relationId=214209 Zoals je ziet zit nu alleen de eerste helft van de 1e etape in kaart gebracht. Gr, Henk H. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Tagging Vuelta wielerronde
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:03:01 +0200, Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com wrote: Henk Hoff wrote: Ik ben bezig om de verschillende etappes van de Vuelta die in NL worden gereden volgend weekend, in een relatie weer te geven. Ik vraag me even af hoe ik deze het best kan taggen. Ik heb 'm nu als een regionaal fietsroute getagd. Iemand een betere oplossing? Ze niet mappen in OSM? De routes die gemapt worden in OSM zijn de niet- tijdelijk bewegwijzerde routes, ik zie dan ook niet hoe je de route van de Vuelta hebt kunnen mappen zonder naar een andere kaart te kijken? Tijdelijke zaken worden wel vaker in de OSM database opgeslagen, zoals wegwerkzaamheden (omleidingen), een enorm festival in een woestijn, construction sites. Een relatie die over een paar weken weer gedelete wordt kan in dat opzicht niet zoveel kwaad. Daarentegen, dit soort specialty maps worden meestal wel vanut een aparte database gerenderd. Wat betreft de route bron: Henk zal wel contact gehad heeft met de Fuelta leiding. Ik kan me niet indenken dat een OSMF board member aan copyright schendingen zou doen. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[talk-au] List of route=road relations
I did a quick SQL query to find what named route=road relations exist, in the interest of saving people from duplicating things: named routes: http://maps.bigtincan.com/tagwatch/road-relations.php ref routes: http://maps.bigtincan.com/tagwatch/ref-relations.php If a route has a ref and a name it will appear on both pages. You can load the relation straight into potlatch/JOSM from the page. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] I've been trying to fix the highway shields and came across this....
I finally figured out that when it's type=route, osm2pgsql changes the field name to route_name so I've updated the database and configs to show route_name. In the example below, the ways are tagged with local street names, but the highway has no name or ref, but instead the highway name and ref is pulled from the relation information. http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=15lat=-29.78160122412lon=151.16912834144 Also I've set the config to render relation names after local street names so that way highways don't clobber local names. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Question about route numbers
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Mark Pulley wrote: 1. When should I start using Alphanumeric numbers? For an example, the Mid Western Highway between Bathurst and Cowra is currently NH24, but some signs have shown A41 (now coverplated over by NH24). Should I use the new A41 or the current NH24? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.4299lon=149.5466zoom=13 For another example, when in Dubbo last weekend on the Mitchell Highway, I spotted A32 on one intersection only, all the others still showing NH32. I did mark those as ref= and old_ref= for example at christmas the signs at Cowra said A41 of course further west the signs are not coverplated but the Mid Western is then B64 so further west the system is coming in by stealth or sheer laziness on the part of the workers which seems appropriate somehow ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSMF
--- On Thu, 20/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: If you are a member, please vote, it will make life easier for us all if as many potential voters as possible vote or else we will hear for the next three years how the poll was 'fixed. This is one reason I've decided to take an active interest in the discussion on Local Chapters. I think they should be as independent as possible otherwise it could be very detrimental with inter and intra infighting spilling over to local chapters, and vice versa. If they're operationally independent of each other it's a lot more clear cut. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Mapping on a phone
Hi, My phone is on it's last legs and I'll need a new one soon. Does anybody have a phone that does a good job for mapping. It would be nice to add POIs as I notice them. I don't really need something for the full mapping experience as I have a full setup in the car for that cheers -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Opening a discussion on OSM Mapping and Online Hazard reporting
Not sure if this is what others had in mind, but rather than just focus on cycling, I think a general council bugs reporting system would be useful to complain about other things like pot holes :) I've downloaded/used the OpenStreetBugs code to produce the Council Bug Report: http://bugs.bigtincan.com/ I was thinking today that this might be a foot in the door for talking to council/state roads depts about potential partnerships maps wise. In this instance we could be given an email address and a boundary and then when a bug is reported an email could be sent to the relevant council about it. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?
or wear one? http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/IMG_6327.jpg http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/IMG_6328.jpg ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Opening a discussion on OSM Mapping and Online Hazard reporting
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 13:58 +, John Smith wrote: Not sure if this is what others had in mind, but rather than just focus on cycling, I think a general council bugs reporting system would be useful to complain about other things like pot holes :) I've downloaded/used the OpenStreetBugs code to produce the Council Bug Report: http://bugs.bigtincan.com/ I was thinking today that this might be a foot in the door for talking to council/state roads depts about potential partnerships maps wise. In this instance we could be given an email address and a boundary and then when a bug is reported an email could be sent to the relevant council about it. Now this is a brilliant idea John! I currently work for the North Sydney Council, and some of the engineers there are slowly starting to use OSM - as it's almost better than some of the maps we currently use in some aspects of our jobs. In my job at the Council I need to reference several maps - OSM being the main map that I use. rant I've done quite a few GPS surveys mapping in stuff around North Sydney (and Camden), adding in lots of detail (except for house numbers - I'll do that when my areas of interest are more detailed) - so seats / toilets / playgrounds in parks are starting to appear :) I'm also able to collaborate with the local walking group in North Sydney - which would be an ideal target to distribute walkingpapers to. /rant A council bug report like yours John would be excellent in this case, as some residence report potholes / graffiti / bugs in rather vague terms that makes it difficult for our engineers / rangers / contractors to locate. Having a council bug reporting system could also spur other councils / residence to contribute to OSM as well. Aside, I've also requested a few more rendering features I'd like to see in http://maps.bigtincan.com/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aussie_Mapnik_Style_Changes They are amenity=drinking_water and amenity=waste_basket Thanks for rendering benches and bbqs! :) -- cam_...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Opening a discussion on OSM Mapping and Online Hazard reporting
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, cam_...@fastmail.fm cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: Having a council bug reporting system could also spur other councils / residence to contribute to OSM as well. That's what I am hoping for :) Word of mouth is the best form of advertising, so if you know anyone else in any other councils you might point them to our site :) Aside, I've also requested a few more rendering features I'm working through the list, highway shields was sort of the top of the list, but once everything ends up in a relation that will work itself out. I'd like to see in http://maps.bigtincan.com/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aussie_Mapnik_Style_Changes They are amenity=drinking_water and amenity=waste_basket Just need some icons and it's trivial to render them, I'll see if I can find anything suitable. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] 4wd_only=yes now renders
http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=18lat=-26.191806577279lon=152.62008508749 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=662
maps showing us trying to influence the world ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: or wear one? http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/IMG_6327.jpg http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/IMG_6328.jpg Definitely unfashionable. Lime green is more appealing I'm sure we would be better off organising our own and not getting theirs. Perhaps just getting the transfers sorted out and people getting their own vest and applying it? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: I do own one - I got one the first time round. I wear it when cycling at dusk/night - even when I'm not surveying. I've noticed that if I'm wearing that, I get ignored a lot more in some places, but attract more attention in others. All that comes to mind now is some kind of Chasers skit where they're impersonating surveyors on some kind of road construction job :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Opening a discussion on OSM Mapping and Online Hazard reporting
Hi Cam_Daw Thanks for the link to Open Street Bugs I'll add this into the mix of conversations I'm having elsewhere. Who hosts and develops this site? regards Paul Boundy Massbug Marrickville and South Sydney Bicycle User Group The other type of Bug -Original Message- From: talk-au-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-au-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of cam_...@fastmail.fm Sent: Friday, 21 August 2009 0:54 To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Opening a discussion on OSM Mapping and Online Hazard reporting On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 13:58 +, John Smith wrote: Not sure if this is what others had in mind, but rather than just focus on cycling, I think a general council bugs reporting system would be useful to complain about other things like pot holes :) I've downloaded/used the OpenStreetBugs code to produce the Council Bug Report: http://bugs.bigtincan.com/ I was thinking today that this might be a foot in the door for talking to council/state roads depts about potential partnerships maps wise. In this instance we could be given an email address and a boundary and then when a bug is reported an email could be sent to the relevant council about it. Now this is a brilliant idea John! I currently work for the North Sydney Council, and some of the engineers there are slowly starting to use OSM - as it's almost better than some of the maps we currently use in some aspects of our jobs. In my job at the Council I need to reference several maps - OSM being the main map that I use. rant I've done quite a few GPS surveys mapping in stuff around North Sydney (and Camden), adding in lots of detail (except for house numbers - I'll do that when my areas of interest are more detailed) - so seats / toilets / playgrounds in parks are starting to appear :) I'm also able to collaborate with the local walking group in North Sydney - which would be an ideal target to distribute walkingpapers to. /rant A council bug report like yours John would be excellent in this case, as some residence report potholes / graffiti / bugs in rather vague terms that makes it difficult for our engineers / rangers / contractors to locate. Having a council bug reporting system could also spur other councils / residence to contribute to OSM as well. Aside, I've also requested a few more rendering features I'd like to see in http://maps.bigtincan.com/ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aussie_Mapnik_Style_Changes They are amenity=drinking_water and amenity=waste_basket Thanks for rendering benches and bbqs! :) -- cam_...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au Notice: The information contained in this email message and any attached files may be confidential information, and may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient any use, disclosure or copying of this email is unauthorised. If you received this email in error, please notify the DEEWR Service Desk by calling (02) 6240 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 14:36 +, John Smith wrote: or wear one? http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/IMG_6327.jpg http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/IMG_6328.jpg I probably would wear something like that vest - during the day while cycling / walking. It'd atleast make some people in the general public feel less suspicious of me cycling / walking up and down car parks / dead end roads / walking around schools (some schools' boundaries aren't easily seen in Yahoo) / taking photos of benches / bbqs / bins. On the odd time I go surveying on foot / bicycle at night, I wear this: http://www.exeliteworld.com/recreational.html?product=lumisash Cars from a kilometer away down the road can see me at night time! :D Another thing to note, it seems we can't order anything from http://www.sonicresolutions.com/ anyway, as sonic resolutions is no longer trading. -- cam_...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
