Re: [OSM-talk] Create custom map from OSM data

[Jukka Rahkonen]

Tanveer Singh  gmail.com> writes:

 
> Thanks, this is exactly what I am looking for. Now one question, on the
generated gmapsupp.img, is it possible that the track I create is of different
color or something altogether. For example, lets say there are other roads in
the area, and I follow the offroad track, I should not get confused with the
other roads.

To do it properly I guess you should use your own tag like highway=my_track in
JOSM map side and make a rule for colouring it with your favourite colour on the
Garmin map. Or then you can just tag for the renderer. Tag your off-roud tracks
as highway=motorway and I suppose you will easily distinguish them.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Create custom map from OSM data

[Tanveer Singh]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Martin Simon  wrote:

> 2010/5/10 Tanveer Singh :
>
> > Actually the tracks are not roads, they are just a off road path that I
> did.
> > So no road there. No point adding it to the osm database
> > I just want to convert the area to garmin file with the track added
>
> Simply take josm, draw your track, save it as .osm and launch mkgmap like
> this:
> java -jar mkgmap.jar --gmapsupp main-osm-data.osm your-own-data.osm
>
> mkgmap will then compile both sources into one map containing two map
> tiles.
>
> -Martin
>
Thanks, this is exactly what I am looking for. Now one question, on the
generated gmapsupp.img, is it possible that the track I create is of
different color or something altogether. For example, lets say there are
other roads in the area, and I follow the offroad track, I should not get
confused with the other roads.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Create custom map from OSM data

[Sam Vekemans]

It would be great if the command line mkgmap tool that can
autogenerate a windows Garmin MapSource installer, was a plugin for
JOSM.

Cheers,
Sam

On 5/10/10, Stephen Cavilia  wrote:
> JOSM sounds like the "some GUI tool" you want. You simply download a
> rectangle of OSM data around the region you need, draw in the paths or
> waypoints you want, possibly using a gps trace for a guide, save the
> data layer as a .osm file, and build the garmin map off of that.
>
> What exactly are the features you're mapping? If there is some kind of
> physical path on the ground that other people might be interested in,
> you should add them to the database. There are plenty of off-road paths
> and trails in OSM, not everything has to be a *road*.
>
> Tanveer Singh wrote:
>>
>>
>> 2010/5/10 Iván Sánchez Ortega > >
>>
>> El 10/05/2010 18:33, Tanveer Singh escribió:
>> > 1. Download .osm file for a region
>> > 2. Open it in some GUI tool
>> > 3. Add a few tracks and waypoints
>> > 4. Re-save the OSM data, with the tracks now saved as roads or
>> whatever as
>> > part of my .osm data
>>
>> I think you can either:
>>
>> - Use osmosis to cut a small chunk of data, edit it with JOSM, then
>> commit the changes to the big .osm file with osmosis again.
>>
>> - Set up a local rails port. It's more complicated than osmosis + JOSM
>> +
>> .osm file, but you'll need that if the area is very big, you have to
>> make lots of changes, or let lots of people make changes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, please be aware of the nature of OSM's license. If you add data
>> to
>> to a file or database with OSM data in it, that new data inherits
>> OSM's
>> license. In the end, it's easier to add that data directly to the main
>> OSM server.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>>
>>
>> Actually the tracks are not roads, they are just a off road path that I
>> did. So no road there. No point adding it to the osm database
>> I just want to convert the area to garmin file with the track added
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Create custom map from OSM data

[Stephen Cavilia]

JOSM sounds like the "some GUI tool" you want. You simply download a
rectangle of OSM data around the region you need, draw in the paths or
waypoints you want, possibly using a gps trace for a guide, save the
data layer as a .osm file, and build the garmin map off of that.

What exactly are the features you're mapping? If there is some kind of
physical path on the ground that other people might be interested in,
you should add them to the database. There are plenty of off-road paths
and trails in OSM, not everything has to be a *road*.

Tanveer Singh wrote:
> 
> 
> 2010/5/10 Iván Sánchez Ortega  >
> 
> El 10/05/2010 18:33, Tanveer Singh escribió:
> > 1. Download .osm file for a region
> > 2. Open it in some GUI tool
> > 3. Add a few tracks and waypoints
> > 4. Re-save the OSM data, with the tracks now saved as roads or
> whatever as
> > part of my .osm data
> 
> I think you can either:
> 
> - Use osmosis to cut a small chunk of data, edit it with JOSM, then
> commit the changes to the big .osm file with osmosis again.
> 
> - Set up a local rails port. It's more complicated than osmosis + JOSM +
> .osm file, but you'll need that if the area is very big, you have to
> make lots of changes, or let lots of people make changes.
> 
> 
> 
> Also, please be aware of the nature of OSM's license. If you add data to
> to a file or database with OSM data in it, that new data inherits OSM's
> license. In the end, it's easier to add that data directly to the main
> OSM server.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> --
> 
> 
> Actually the tracks are not roads, they are just a off road path that I
> did. So no road there. No point adding it to the osm database
> I just want to convert the area to garmin file with the track added
>  
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Create custom map from OSM data

[Tanveer Singh]

2010/5/10 Iván Sánchez Ortega 

> El 10/05/2010 18:33, Tanveer Singh escribió:
> > 1. Download .osm file for a region
> > 2. Open it in some GUI tool
> > 3. Add a few tracks and waypoints
> > 4. Re-save the OSM data, with the tracks now saved as roads or whatever
> as
> > part of my .osm data
>
> I think you can either:
>
> - Use osmosis to cut a small chunk of data, edit it with JOSM, then
> commit the changes to the big .osm file with osmosis again.
>
> - Set up a local rails port. It's more complicated than osmosis + JOSM +
> .osm file, but you'll need that if the area is very big, you have to
> make lots of changes, or let lots of people make changes.
>
>
>
> Also, please be aware of the nature of OSM's license. If you add data to
> to a file or database with OSM data in it, that new data inherits OSM's
> license. In the end, it's easier to add that data directly to the main
> OSM server.
>
>
> Cheers,
> --
>

Actually the tracks are not roads, they are just a off road path that I did.
So no road there. No point adding it to the osm database
I just want to convert the area to garmin file with the track added
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Re: [OSM-talk] Create custom map from OSM data

[Iván Sánchez Ortega]

El 10/05/2010 18:33, Tanveer Singh escribió:
> 1. Download .osm file for a region
> 2. Open it in some GUI tool
> 3. Add a few tracks and waypoints
> 4. Re-save the OSM data, with the tracks now saved as roads or whatever as
> part of my .osm data

I think you can either:

- Use osmosis to cut a small chunk of data, edit it with JOSM, then 
commit the changes to the big .osm file with osmosis again.

- Set up a local rails port. It's more complicated than osmosis + JOSM + 
.osm file, but you'll need that if the area is very big, you have to 
make lots of changes, or let lots of people make changes.



Also, please be aware of the nature of OSM's license. If you add data to 
to a file or database with OSM data in it, that new data inherits OSM's 
license. In the end, it's easier to add that data directly to the main 
OSM server.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Create custom map from OSM data

[Richard Weait]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Tanveer Singh  wrote:
> Hi,
> I am aware that I can download .osm file for a certain region and then
> create gmapsupp.img for my garmin receiver.
> I was wondering if I can do the following
> 1. Download .osm file for a region
> 2. Open it in some GUI tool
> 3. Add a few tracks and waypoints
> 4. Re-save the OSM data, with the tracks now saved as roads or whatever as
> part of my .osm data
> 5. Create garmin map
> This will enable me to have custom tracks for region where there are no
> maps.
> Any help?

Dear Tanveer,

I would expect that you could do that.  The ideal method would be to
map that unmapped region in advance, share the data by contributing it
to OSM, then load the map on your device.

This way all users benefit from the improved map as you benefit from using OSM.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Create custom map from OSM data

[John Smith]

On 11 May 2010 02:33, Tanveer Singh  wrote:
> 2. Open it in some GUI tool

You mean like JOSM?

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[OSM-talk] Create custom map from OSM data

[Tanveer Singh]

Hi,
I am aware that I can download .osm file for a certain region and then
create gmapsupp.img for my garmin receiver.
I was wondering if I can do the following
1. Download .osm file for a region
2. Open it in some GUI tool
3. Add a few tracks and waypoints
4. Re-save the OSM data, with the tracks now saved as roads or whatever as
part of my .osm data
5. Create garmin map
This will enable me to have custom tracks for region where there are no
maps.
Any help?
regards
Tanveer
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Re: [OSM-talk] TMC comprehension questions.

[Marcus Wolschon]

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:53 PM, colliar  wrote:

> 4 nodes for each location - means overall 8 nodes for these "doubled" points ?

Points at intersectons in TMC exist once for each road because a point in TMC
ever only belongs to one and only one road.
So of cause they are doubled. That´s how the LCL works.

Marcus

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Re: [OSM-talk] NLS Maps API - online historical mapping of Great Britain for use in mashups (fwd)

[Richard Weait]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 10:42 AM, martin dodge  wrote:
>
> this might be of interest to some on the list.
> cheers
> martin
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject:        NLS Maps API - online historical mapping of Great Britain for
> use in mashups
> Date:   Mon, 10 May 2010 11:33:40 +0100
> From:   Fleet, Christopher 
> To:     , 
>
> We are pleased to launch a new historical mapping application,
[ ... ]
>
> For more information, please view http://geo.nls.uk/maps/api/
[ ... ], or used to create other copyright free
> maps (such as OpenStreetMap).  [ ... ]

Dear Christopher,

Sounds like an interesting project.

Your characterization of OpenStreetMap as copyright-free is incorrect.
We, like you, create a map that is generously licensed for wide use
beyond the general copyright exceptions[1].  But our map, like yours
is also copyright.

Best regards,
Richard

[1] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright#Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works

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[OSM-talk] NLS Maps API - online historical mapping of Great Britain for use in mashups (fwd)

[martin dodge]

this might be of interest to some on the list.
cheers
martin

 Original Message 
Subject:NLS Maps API - online historical mapping of Great Britain for
use in mashups
Date:   Mon, 10 May 2010 11:33:40 +0100
From:   Fleet, Christopher 
To: , 

We are pleased to launch a new historical mapping application, allowing
anyone to include selected historical geo-referenced maps of Great
Britain in their own websites. Sets of Ordnance Survey mapping relating
to Scotland, England and Wales, dating from the 1920s to 1940s, have
been seamed together and geo-referenced, then specially prepared for use
in external websites.

For more information, please view http://geo.nls.uk/maps/api/

The maps have been made available under a Creative Commons Attribution
Licence, allowing free use and adaptation of the mapping, provided it is
properly attributed. The maps were scanned and geo-referenced by the
National Library of Scotland, and rendered on the Amazon EC2 computer
cluster by Klokan Technologies GmbH, based on a customised version of
the MapTiler application.

The maps can be used for many purposes - they can be integrated with
other mapping, used for research purposes, used as a backdrop for
bespoke markers or mapping data, or used to create other copyright free
maps (such as OpenStreetMap). The application will also run on many
mobile devices, including the iPhone, iPad or Google Android based
phones.

The historical map API homepage -  http://geo.nls.uk/maps/api/  -
provides simple instructions for how to embed the mapping in websites,
and use it with the most popular free web-mapping services, including
Google, Bing, and Openlayers.

View the historical map API homepage -  http://geo.nls.uk/maps/api/  -
for more information on:

* how to display the historic map in your mobile device or phone
* how to embed the map in your website
* licence and terms of use
* what map series are used
* how the seamless map was prepared

In the future, we hope to add more mapping - of other countries, and at
more detailed scales.

We'd be very keen for any comments or feedback on this at: g...@nls.uk


Many thanks,

Chris Fleet (NLS) and Petr Pridal (Klokan Technologies GmbH)

Klokan Technologies GmbH - http://www.klokantech.com/
National Library of Scotland - online maps - http://www.nls.uk/maps


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Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

[steve brown]

Hey Felix

In OpenSatNav we use the phrase "turn by turn routing" or "turn by turn
navigation". Some call it "real time" or "live" navigation.

Steve

On 10 May 2010 15:05, Felix Hartmann  wrote:

>
>
> On 09.05.2010 13:18, Jens Müller wrote:
> > Am 03.05.2010 13:31, schrieb Felix Hartmann:
> >   >  Subject: Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key
> > class:bicycle
> >
> >
> > What do you mean by "Autorouting"? Something else than just "routing"?
> >
> Well when I say autorouting I mean that a computer or GPS calculates a
> route, and I can follow it, and I get proper turn instructions like:
> Turn right into abcstreet cycleroute def.
>
> Many people take routing for following tracks, so that would mean no
> automatic calculation of the ways. Hence I say autorouting to avoid
> confusion. I don't think navigation is a better term either for the above.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

[Felix Hartmann]

On 09.05.2010 13:18, Jens Müller wrote:
> Am 03.05.2010 13:31, schrieb Felix Hartmann:
>   >  Subject: Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key
> class:bicycle
>
>
> What do you mean by "Autorouting"? Something else than just "routing"?
>
Well when I say autorouting I mean that a computer or GPS calculates a 
route, and I can follow it, and I get proper turn instructions like: 
Turn right into abcstreet cycleroute def.

Many people take routing for following tracks, so that would mean no 
automatic calculation of the ways. Hence I say autorouting to avoid 
confusion. I don't think navigation is a better term either for the above.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and Gnash

[jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com]

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Stefan Monnier
 wrote:
>>> - I had trouble creating a non-road (a building).
>> That worked, made a square,added building=yes
>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/58708097/history
>
> How do you "add building=yes"?  I.e. how do you add a tag?
> I ended up selecting a bogus road type, which added 3 tags and then
> edited the tags.

with the plus key, to add tags.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

[Pieren]

I don't care very much about your routes, if they have to figure out in OSM
or not and how to tag them. What I don't want is to see the roads, streets,
avenues, boulevards cut at each intersection because some route is turning
left or turning right at that point.
I start to see this in Paris where we just have a few public transport and
bicycle routes and it makes the 'normal' edition of the basic things very
annoying.
So please find a new method to identify ANY routes in OSM without splitting
ways so we don't return to the old API's segments...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map internationalisation

[pavithran]

On 10 May 2010 14:57, Gregory  wrote:
> I see the town/city named with some Arabic-like script, until zoom 15 where
> it is "Nizampet".
> So I think your browser has cached the map tiles.

Yes that seems to be the case .  I could see the town name in telugu.
But there are problems
* The shape of the font is bad
* Font rendering has its share of problems which are common to all
indic fonts .

I have found http://trac.mapnik.org/ticket/112

If the above is the case with mapnik ,its quite strange that there is
no fallback option for osmarender which is not displaying any name (
neither name=nameintelugu nor name:en=nameinenglish)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

[Richard Mann]

On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Jens Müller  wrote:
> Am 03.05.2010 19:29, schrieb Richard Mann:
>> I think routers would be better served if we identify good through
>> routes (ie the equivalent of highway=primary for motorists), and
>> record them as relations,
>
> I thought a router is there to identify exactly that. Why do it manually?
>

Because routing algorithms can't really deal with lots of multiple
factors efficiently. Sometimes it's simpler just to give them a big
hint: if you're heading in this general direction, this route works
better than the others. It also matches what humans do - we learn
certain pathways then tend to stick to them.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map internationalisation

[Gregory]

I see the town/city named with some Arabic-like script, until zoom 15 where
it is "Nizampet".
So I think your browser has cached the map tiles. Try holding Control and
pressing the F5 key (windows/linux) which sometimes does a bit more than the
usual F5 refresh. For being zoomed in, the server needs to render the tiles
again, this doesn't normally take so long.

On 10 May 2010 01:44, pavithran  wrote:

On 10 May 2010 01:27, Peter Körner  wrote:
> > Am 09.05.2010 20:00, schrieb pavithran:
> >>
> >> I have waited days to see it in action . But nothing has changed the
> >> name is still getting displayed in english . Has it got anything to do
> >> with web admin marking an area for that language ?
> >
> > Can you please give a link to that area? Sometimes the tiles for an area
> are
> > cached in your browser or on the server for days..
>
> I marked some tiles as dirty to get the tiles refreshed . But there
> was no use .
> Here is the link for that place http://osm.org/go/y8IVFhG-
> and link for the node http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/571122168
>
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> Pavithran
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Re: [OSM-talk] Map internationalisation

[pavithran]

On 10 May 2010 01:27, Peter Körner  wrote:
> Am 09.05.2010 20:00, schrieb pavithran:
>>
>> I have waited days to see it in action . But nothing has changed the
>> name is still getting displayed in english . Has it got anything to do
>> with web admin marking an area for that language ?
>
> Can you please give a link to that area? Sometimes the tiles for an area are
> cached in your browser or on the server for days..

I marked some tiles as dirty to get the tiles refreshed . But there
was no use .
Here is the link for that place http://osm.org/go/y8IVFhG-
and link for the node http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/571122168

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Re: [OSM-talk] Philosophy about Autorouting for Cyclists and new key class:bicycle

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

Erik Johansson wrote:
> 
> FTR I think you all should map for child strollers  and add
> ramp=yes/no tag to steps.. :-)

You may be kidding, but that actually is a useful feature for wheelchair 
access - wheelchair routing is a special case of pedestrian routing, 
that requires this sort of tag... And maybe child stroller users will 
use the wheelchair routing features...

http://www.rollstuhlrouting.de/ruhr2010/
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wheelchair
http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Europe/En/keystats_wheelchair.html


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