Re: [Talk-hr] zracna fotografija i pravna pitanja
On 05/31/2010 03:49 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: Uredba o snimanju iz zraka: http://www.nn.hr/clanci/sluzbeno/2003/1592.htm Snimanjem iz zraka smatraju se sva snimanja kod kojih se uređaj za snimanje ne nalazi na zemlji, vodi ili objektima na njima. Pravne i fizičke osobe iz članaka 2. i 6. ove Uredbe smiju snimati iz zraka područja i vodene površine u Republici Hrvat skoj samo nakon pribavljenog odobrenja za razvijanje zračnih snimaka. Ako bilo tko slika tko iz zraka i pri tome bude uhvaćen bez dozvole može imati problema. Opet se pojavljuju problemi ako se slike objave bez dozvole. Znam dosta ljudi koji su zmajari i objavljuju svoje slike online na Picassi i Flickeru bez da su imali problema. Pretpostavljam da bi problema imali tek u komercijalnim vodama ili ako vi slike koristili za neki projekt koji bi bio nekome trn u oku te bi vas prijavio nekoj od službi. Zato savjetujem da ako ćete ikada neku sliku koju slikate iz zraka objaviti negdje javno probajte naći neku firmu koja ima dozvolu za snimanje iz zraka te preko nje riješiti dozvole. Zna li neko koju OSM friendly firmu koja bi to mogla napraviti ako bi dobili slike od avio modelara, zmajara i ostalih a želim ih objaviti javno kao wms layer ili kao neki map mashup? Komentari? Sugestije? vjerujem da bi kontaktiranjem ureda odgovornog za to pitanje dobio dozvolu bez problema. ne vidim razlog zasto bi se protivili. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] zracna fotografija i pravna pitanja
2010/5/31 nixa nikola.kapralje...@gmail.com On 05/31/2010 03:49 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: . Komentari? Sugestije? vjerujem da bi kontaktiranjem ureda odgovornog za to pitanje dobio dozvolu bez problema. ne vidim razlog zasto bi se protivili. He, he, vjerujem da nisi imao puno posla s tijelima državne uprave ;-)? Uglavnom, obrazac Zahtjeva je: http://www.dgu.hr/UserDocsImages/Zahtjev%20za%20odobrenja.pdf http://www.dgu.hr/UserDocsImages/Zahtjev%20za%20odobrenja.pdfNadležno tijelo je: Državna geodetska uprava Sektor za topografsku izmjeru i državne karte Odjel fotogrametrije I daljinskog pronicanja 10 000 Zagreb, Gruška 20 Pa tko ima živaca, nek' se s njima upusti u razjašnjavanje, što zapravo treba i kako. Molim imati na umu da je teško dobiti definitivni odgovor, pogotovo ako se želite osigurati da ne snosite na kraju nikakvu odgovornost. Kad smo se dovoljno ogradili, navest ću još samo jedan citat rečenog zahtjeva: -citat- III. Prilozi (OBVEZNO!) a) dokaz o registriranoj djelatnosti snimanja iz zraka (samo za odobrenje za razvijanje zračnih snimaka, te za snimanje iz zraka za inozemne pravne i fizičke osobe) -kraj citata- Ja ovo tumačim da samo inozemne pravne i fizičke osobe moraju imati dozvolu, mi domaći možemo snimati... Iako to gotovo sigurno nije točno :-). Ovo razvijanje je apsolutno zastarjelo, no znam za kolege koje su imali grdnih problema jer su snimali aerofotogrametriju _digitalnim_ fotoaparatima, jer nitko nije znao kako to klasificirati... :-(. Doduše, to je bilo prije godinu-dvije... Znači pod razvijanje se najvjerojatnije tumači i snimanje digitalcem, pa tu opet mora biti registrirana djelatnost... Uglavnom, kontaktirajte rečeni odjel i... sretno! LP, Zoran ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] zracna fotografija i pravna pitanja
On 05/31/2010 08:31 PM, Zoran Jankovic wrote: He, he, vjerujem da nisi imao puno posla s tijelima državne uprave ;-)? Mogu reci da imam i dobra i losa iskustva. Ali dok god ne probas ne znas ;) -- Nikola Kapraljevic +385959115614 skype: nkapralj ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[talk-ph] SM Supermalls website is using OSM!
Specifically, their mall locator[1] links to various pages for each mall and many malls' pages embed a map from openstreetmap.org.ph. Check out SM City Baguio[2] or SM Southmall[3]. How cool is that! :-D Now the trick is to map out all SM Supermalls so that all of their locator pages have OSM maps on them! [1] http://www.smsupermalls.com/smsupermalls/index.php?p=657 [2] http://www.smsupermalls.com/smsupermalls/index.php?p=651mall=3 [3] http://www.smsupermalls.com/smsupermalls/index.php?p=651mall=29 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Cavite Road Network Mapping Party
Let me know what you need. Mapsource and OSM-PH maps are useful for planning some the exiting routes. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I volunteer to be the map coordinator. (Unless there are other people who have more skill in this area; paging the GIS professionals!) The job is to be in charge of planning the routes. For this we would need maps of Cavite in order to do research and take an inventory of the main/secondary roads in Cavite. Here are the maps that I know that we can use: 1. EZ Map Cavite (PhP99) 2. Accu-map Cavite (PhP149) 3. NAMRIA topo maps I'll check this one. I do think we need more people to help out in the preps. If anyone wants to help please add your name int the wiki planning page and mark the tasks you want to do. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] tutorial on OSM for newbies
weekday after office hours is also fine. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Can we fix a date now? I suggest either June 19 or 26. (Both are Saturdays.) :-) On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:34 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: This was discussed again during the Manda-Ortigas Mapping Party initial schedule is June 2010. I created a stub page to coordinate the event (roughly termed OSM-PH SkillShare) ;) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Events/SkillShare On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:50 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: The discussions in the mailing list are too technical for me. Nakakahilo. Thanks for reminding us. :) Anyway, if some things are too technical, just ask and clarify. Some of us may have graduated from being a newbie, but we love to help out noobs to get out of the initial painful stages. :) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
Hi, Anthony wrote: I guess the suggestion to map what's on the ground is good advice as long as it's not exclusionary. But my beef is with people who tell us to map what's on the ground to the exclusion of everything that isn't on the ground. Problem is that whatever is not on the ground is not verifiable; I'd have to take the mapper's word for it. And this opens the door to people inventing stuff. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Guatemala
Hi, There is high resolution Yahoo imagery available for the area north-east of the Pacaya volcano, and Guatemala city, and GPS tracks... (By the way, it seems that natural=volcano does not render in Mapnik). Best wishes, Jean-Guilhem Message original Sujet: [CrisisMappers] Guatemala Date : Sun, 30 May 2010 16:42:37 -0700 (PDT) De :Chris chrisgnicho...@att.net Répondre à :crisismapp...@googlegroups.com Pour : CrisisMappers crisismapp...@googlegroups.com Lots of activity going on now regarding the recent volcano eruption, and flooding from tropical storm Agatha. Look for more updates on Reliefweb ( http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/dbc.nsf/doc104?OpenFormrc=2cc=gtm ), UN-SPIDER, and other usual places. Chris Nicholas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CrisisMappers group. To post to this group, send email to crisismapp...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to crisismappers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/crisismappers?hl=en. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
2010/5/31 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: On 31 May 2010 08:56, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: +1, we already map stuff that is not found on the ground but still fits perfectly into our data (e.g. borders). Borders isn't a good example, some/many of these are marked on the ground, even if it's just a sign such as welcome to such and such state or thank you for visiting such and such local government area so you're suggesting to map borders as single unconnected nodes (some/many of these which are marked on the ground)? cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On 31 May 2010 18:52, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: so you're suggesting to map borders as single unconnected nodes (some/many of these which are marked on the ground)? Nope, I'm just saying that there is a variety of method to mark borders (or border crossings) on the ground, in other words, they don't just exist on paper. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Guatemala
On 31 May 2010 17:07, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote: (By the way, it seems that natural=volcano does not render in Mapnik). you could cheat: natural=peak volcano=yes ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only on gravel
Am 30.05.2010 22:00, Stan Berka: Since I'm using Potlatch to edit the map, I start the tagging of a walking path/road etc. by selecting the presets for the walking man. Then, I select by the surface and permissibility, which for a peds only, gravel, 4ft wide public path ends up as higway=track and surface=gravel. But isn't highway=footway the preferred tagging for this? highway=track is for ways that are wide enough to be *potentially* used by a 4 wheel vehicle. If it's that wide and has tracks than you should tag it liek that. If legally only pedestrians are allowed add vehicle=no. If it's a pedestrian footway in urban surroundings I would use highway=footway, if it's a rural hiking/walking trail I would prefer highway=path + foot=yes You see: Endless tagging opportunities :) Claudius ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Anthony wrote: I guess the suggestion to map what's on the ground is good advice as long as it's not exclusionary. But my beef is with people who tell us to map what's on the ground to the exclusion of everything that isn't on the ground. Problem is that whatever is not on the ground is not verifiable; I'd have to take the mapper's word for it. And this opens the door to people inventing stuff. Specific problem Bicentennial National Trail http://www.nationaltrail.com.au/ can be followed from maps but not signed much on the ground (one of the Au mappers has been marking this) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only on gravel
2010/5/31 Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de: highway=track is for ways that are wide enough to be *potentially* used by a 4 wheel vehicle. +1 If it's that wide and has tracks than you should tag it liek that. If legally only pedestrians are allowed add vehicle=no. actually the case which is IMHO more difficult to decide is when the access is physically restricted by heavy obstacles (massive rock pieces, etc.). I tend not to use track in these cases nonetheless the width would fit, but often you cannot check all possible ways to go to this specific point (e.g. it could be that the road is blocked there by a heavy stone block but you could arrive from the other side). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only on gravel
M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/5/31 Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de: highway=track is for ways that are wide enough to be *potentially* used by a 4 wheel vehicle. +1 If it's that wide and has tracks than you should tag it liek that. If legally only pedestrians are allowed add vehicle=no. actually the case which is IMHO more difficult to decide is when the access is physically restricted by heavy obstacles (massive rock pieces, etc.). I tend not to use track in these cases nonetheless the width would fit, but often you cannot check all possible ways to go to this specific point (e.g. it could be that the road is blocked there by a heavy stone block but you could arrive from the other side). cheers, Martin I would use highway=track even if there is some sort of obstacle. In my opinion, the obstacle is a different feature and it could be tagged with barrier=*. I recently did this at: http://osm.org/go/xVu3bVDRq-- Hope it helps -- Gilles Bassière - Web/GIS software engineer http://gbassiere.free.fr/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only ongravel
You also have the case where vehicular access is limited to official vehicles, such as emergency vehicles and vehicles used to transport materials for maintaining the pathway, but the general public is only allowed to use the path on foot. I know of some hiking trails where this is the case, as well as some (in the same nature preserve) that are so narrow and steep that they are passable only on foot. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Mrtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 15:42:28 To: Claudiusclaudiu...@gmx.de Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Highway=footway or highway=track for peds only on gravel 2010/5/31 Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de: highway=track is for ways that are wide enough to be *potentially* used by a 4 wheel vehicle. +1 If it's that wide and has tracks than you should tag it liek that. If legally only pedestrians are allowed add vehicle=no. actually the case which is IMHO more difficult to decide is when the access is physically restricted by heavy obstacles (massive rock pieces, etc.). I tend not to use track in these cases nonetheless the width would fit, but often you cannot check all possible ways to go to this specific point (e.g. it could be that the road is blocked there by a heavy stone block but you could arrive from the other side). cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Ad
Hey All, Yesterday Richard Weait and I got an email about an opportunity to put an ad for OSM in a Canadian Business Journal. Unfortunately the turn around was only a couple hours (I'm assuming some advertiser dropped out or something). Anyway we didn't have anything readily available so we weren't able to seize the opportunity. Does any materials like this exist somewhere for OSM? If not do you think there is a need for it or was this a freak occurrence? -Kate ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Ad
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hey All, Yesterday Richard Weait and I got an email about an opportunity to put an ad for OSM in a Canadian Business Journal. Unfortunately the turn around was only a couple hours (I'm assuming some advertiser dropped out or something). Anyway we didn't have anything readily available so we weren't able to seize the opportunity. Does any materials like this exist somewhere for OSM? If not do you think there is a need for it or was this a freak occurrence? When opportunity knocks [next] we should be ready ;-) Would there not be something in the Press section of the wiki (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Press) that we could use the next time this happens? I don't know whether there is or not so this isn't a slight at anyone about not being able to seize the opportunity with the canadian business journal - but there's no harm in being prepared for the next time that this might happen. Ken -- http://blogs.linux.ie/kenguest/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Anthony wrote: I guess the suggestion to map what's on the ground is good advice as long as it's not exclusionary. But my beef is with people who tell us to map what's on the ground to the exclusion of everything that isn't on the ground. Problem is that whatever is not on the ground is not verifiable; I'd have to take the mapper's word for it. And this opens the door to people inventing stuff. That's precisely the reasoning that I'm arguing against. With all due respect, it just doesn't make any sense. You have to either drastically redefine the meaning of verifiability (able to be confirmed as true or false by other mappers) or the meaning of on the ground (less clear, but roughly encapsulated in relatively non-movable property in a public place). By these definitions, something that is able to be confirmed as true or false in an official online source is actually *more* verifiable than something written on a street sign in a place where Google Street View has not yet visited. It certainly is verifiable, and it is not necessarily on the ground. So, I don't know if you've got different definition(s), or you just don't follow that logic. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
Liz edodd at billiau.net writes: On Mon, 31 May 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Anthony wrote: I guess the suggestion to map what's on the ground is good advice as long as it's not exclusionary. But my beef is with people who tell us to map what's on the ground to the exclusion of everything that isn't on the ground. Problem is that whatever is not on the ground is not verifiable; I'd have to take the mapper's word for it. And this opens the door to people inventing stuff. Specific problem Bicentennial National Trail http://www.nationaltrail.com.au/ can be followed from maps but not signed much on the ground (one of the Au mappers has been marking this) If anything is unclear on the ground the mapper needs to provide a source. That way other mappers can judge whether the source is legitimate. -- Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
This brings up another question. On the tagging list, there is currently a discussion of whether or not to tag areas that have frequent traffic jams. If something is only verifiable part of the time, such as having traffic jams or being the site of a market on the weekends, does it count as verifiable on the ground? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: Anthony o...@inbox.org Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:59:28 To: Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org Cc: Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
2010/5/31 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: This brings up another question. On the tagging list, there is currently a discussion of whether or not to tag areas that have frequent traffic jams. If something is only verifiable part of the time, such as having traffic jams or being the site of a market on the weekends, does it count as verifiable on the ground? Is there currently any reason to talk about this? IMHO OSM is a project that should be also fun to contribute and to use. If it becomes a bureaucratic hazzle like the German Wikipedia people will leave - at least I will probably. I guess you don't know this, but in the German Wikipedia there are actually groups of people enjoying deleting articles of others which cover topics that are either not relevant or not elaborate enough. All this is of course done in a strictly democratic way, there are Kill lists, votings and so on. I would be really sad to see OSM end in endless discussions about relevance, leading to many mappers leave the ship. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Andrew wynnd...@lavabit.com wrote: If anything is unclear on the ground the mapper needs to provide a source. That way other mappers can judge whether the source is legitimate. That's a great point. I hate fixing an area of map which is already in place and coming across information which I can't verify. Do I copy the information blindly, assuming that the previous contributor must have verified it, or do I delete it? If everything is either on the ground or has a link to a source, this would greatly simplify that dilemma. Not completely, though. It's sometimes quite difficult to verify road names, especially when the road can't be reached by foot. I guess the safest thing to do then is delete the names and let someone else go back and add them, especially if the roads have been significantly changed (I'm thinking of the Tampa Airport Interchange Project which I see Nathan has gone in and cleaned up quite nicely). And then there's the road designations of primary/secondary/etc. Not only is that not on the ground, it's not even verifiable. In those cases I just guess. Or mark it as highway=road (see http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/47280788). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
Hi, Anthony wrote: By these definitions, something that is able to be confirmed as true or false in an official online source is actually *more* verifiable than something written on a street sign in a place where Google Street View has not yet visited. It certainly is verifiable, and it is not necessarily on the ground. Something that is available from an official online source but not verifiable on the ground should not - in my personal opinion - be included in OSM. For the simple reason that we cannot improve the data - how should we if there is not reference on the ground? So the data will just sit there and be left to rot, or left to wait for another update by those who keep it. But OSM is not a mirror for official data. I don't want data that OSMers cannot work with; such data would only be in OSM for ease of retrieval, and I don't view OSM as some data dumpster for the world's geodata. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
Well, some people in the traffic-jam discussion seem to be taking the viewpoint that if something is not verifiable by people in other geographical locations, without actually visiting the location under discussion, then it should not be classified as being verifiable at all. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:29:34 To: j...@jfeldredge.com Cc: OpenStreetMap talk mailing listtalk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki 2010/5/31 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com: This brings up another question. On the tagging list, there is currently a discussion of whether or not to tag areas that have frequent traffic jams. If something is only verifiable part of the time, such as having traffic jams or being the site of a market on the weekends, does it count as verifiable on the ground? Is there currently any reason to talk about this? IMHO OSM is a project that should be also fun to contribute and to use. If it becomes a bureaucratic hazzle like the German Wikipedia people will leave - at least I will probably. I guess you don't know this, but in the German Wikipedia there are actually groups of people enjoying deleting articles of others which cover topics that are either not relevant or not elaborate enough. All this is of course done in a strictly democratic way, there are Kill lists, votings and so on. I would be really sad to see OSM end in endless discussions about relevance, leading to many mappers leave the ship. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Anthony wrote: By these definitions, something that is able to be confirmed as true or false in an official online source is actually *more* verifiable than something written on a street sign in a place where Google Street View has not yet visited. It certainly is verifiable, and it is not necessarily on the ground. Something that is available from an official online source but not verifiable on the ground should not - in my personal opinion - be included in OSM. For the simple reason that we cannot improve the data - how should we if there is not reference on the ground? So the data will just sit there and be left to rot, or left to wait for another update by those who keep it. But OSM is not a mirror for official data. I don't want data that OSMers cannot work with; such data would only be in OSM for ease of retrieval, and I don't view OSM as some data dumpster for the world's geodata. Well, I think there's a difference between being verifiable on the ground and having reference on the ground. The name of a lake or a river has reference on the ground, even if the name of the lake or river isn't printed on a sign. A county border which is defined with reference to roads, rivers, fences, etc. has a reference on the ground, even if the name of the county isn't printed on any of those features. I can agree that OSM should not include data which has absolutely no reference to physical (relatively) non-movable features on the ground. But once the feature is there, when is it okay to tag it with features which aren't strictly on the ground? Maybe the answer is never. Personally I think the correct answer is more like usually not, at least usually not in highly developed areas which tend to put signs on everything. But I think it's confusing if you refer to that as encompassed by the verifiability rule. It's really a separate rule altogether. On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:33 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.comwrote: Well, some people in the traffic-jam discussion seem to be taking the viewpoint that if something is not verifiable by people in other geographical locations, without actually visiting the location under discussion, then it should not be classified as being verifiable at all. Huh? So in any location where we don't have good aerials and street views we can't map at all? Or do photographs count (in which case, just take a photograph of the traffic jam)? Actually, wrt the traffic jams I'd just as well they not be in OSM, for much the same argument that Frederik just presented (the data will just sit there and be left to rot, or left to wait for another update by those who keep it). But as far as I'm concerned, so long as people use tags and features which don't collide with the things I'm interested in, I really don't care what unmaintainable crap they add to the database. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Something that is available from an official online source but not verifiable on the ground should not - in my personal opinion - be included in OSM. No borders? No national parks? No nature reserves? No voltage on power lines? No named farms (unless the owner puts up a sign)? No names for peaks? - Gustav ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On 31 May 2010 19:57, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Anthony wrote: By these definitions, something that is able to be confirmed as true or false in an official online source is actually *more* verifiable than something written on a street sign in a place where Google Street View has not yet visited. It certainly is verifiable, and it is not necessarily on the ground. Something that is available from an official online source but not verifiable on the ground should not - in my personal opinion - be included in OSM. For the simple reason that we cannot improve the data - how should we if there is not reference on the ground? So the data will just sit there and be left to rot, or left to wait for another update by those who keep it. But OSM is not a mirror for official data. I don't want data that OSMers cannot work with; such data would only be in OSM for ease of retrieval, and I don't view OSM as some data dumpster for the world's geodata. I don't view it as a dumpster either, even though such a thing would definitely be useful. There's no place where all license-compatible data can be accessed in a unified format and without looking up URLs of individial databases or phoning individual owners of the data such as the county administration in the US to get access to each piece. But.. the source of the data and the usefulness are two orthogonal things. I don't think you should discriminate useful information because the source is not kosher. Otherwise you'll never have a complete map with all the information you might need. Also there's no 100% verifiability, all data is verifiable for some groups of users and others will have to trust them. I'm thinking of the military bases where different percentages of the population can enter (some of them let school children in as part of day excursions, others are accessible by fewer than 100 people on Earth). And all of our data is constantly rotting except for the discrete moments when a mapper has a chance to check a given record and update it. I really see no difference there. Cheers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.orgwrote: Something that is available from an official online source but not verifiable on the ground should not - in my personal opinion - be included in OSM. No borders? No national parks? No nature reserves? No voltage on power lines? No named farms (unless the owner puts up a sign)? No names for peaks? Except for borders, all of those things are verifiable on the ground. I think that is Frederik's point. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: No borders? No national parks? No nature reserves? No voltage on power lines? No named farms (unless the owner puts up a sign)? No names for peaks? Except for borders, all of those things are verifiable on the ground. I think that is Frederik's point. How do you, on the ground, verify the name of a farm? How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? How do you, on the ground, verify a national park or nature reserve? All of these things might be properly marked with signs where you are, but they certainly are not everywhere. - Gustav ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: No borders? No national parks? No nature reserves? No voltage on power lines? No named farms (unless the owner puts up a sign)? No names for peaks? Except for borders, all of those things are verifiable on the ground. I think that is Frederik's point. How do you, on the ground, verify the name of a farm? You ask the owner. How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? You look at the sign. Talk to the hikers you passed on the way up with your GPS. How do you, on the ground, verify a national park or nature reserve? It sounds like you're talking about the border of the park or reserve. As has been said before, borders probably don't belong in OSM. The name of a park is probably verifiable though. All of these things might be properly marked with signs where you are, but they certainly are not everywhere. If they are not marked, how do the locals know what and where they are? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: No borders? No national parks? No nature reserves? No voltage on power lines? No named farms (unless the owner puts up a sign)? No names for peaks? Except for borders, all of those things are verifiable on the ground. I think that is Frederik's point. How do you, on the ground, verify the name of a farm? You ask the owner. What's the point of the phrase on the ground? If asking the owner counts as being verifiable on the ground, anything verifiable is verifiable on the ground (just ask X, where X is the name of someone who can verify it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: If they are not marked, how do the locals know what and where they are? They look at a map! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? You look at the sign. Talk to the hikers you passed on the way up with your GPS. Just out of curiosity, where do you live and who is putting signs on the peaks there? - Gustav ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Ad
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 15:13, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Anyway we didn't have anything readily available so we weren't able to seize the opportunity. Does any materials like this exist somewhere for OSM? If not do you think there is a need for it or was this a freak occurrence? There's a collection at http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/ Mostly out of date, but something to use as a baseline. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On 31. mai 2010, at 21.13, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? You look at the sign. Talk to the hikers you passed on the way up with your GPS. How do you, on the ground, verify a national park or nature reserve? It sounds like you're talking about the border of the park or reserve. As has been said before, borders probably don't belong in OSM. The name of a park is probably verifiable though. All of these things might be properly marked with signs where you are, but they certainly are not everywhere. If they are not marked, how do the locals know what and where they are? Please, take a vacation outside densely populated areas. Northern Norway is quite nice: http://osm.org/go/1KyNf-- Names are often passed by word of mouth, or learned from a map. You /might/ find some signposted peaks, but I doubt it. If we are supposed to leave out every name that isn't signposted we might as well just give up on creating anything like a nice hiking map for Norway right away. And if we aren't doing anything but roads we might as well use Google maps, they are quite good at that. -- Knut Arne Bjørndal aka Bob Kåre bob+...@cakebox.net bobk...@irc ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On May 31, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? You look at the sign. Talk to the hikers you passed on the way up with your GPS. Just out of curiosity, where do you live and who is putting signs on the peaks there? In the US, most of the peaks are marked at the trailhead you use to get to them. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Guatemala
On 31 May 2010 21:49, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: You should not cheat. Just like they shouldn't have cheated in Haiti with the temporary red cross locations? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On May 31, 2010, at 2:31 PM, Knut Arne Bjørndal bob+...@cakebox.net wrote: On 31. mai 2010, at 21.13, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? You look at the sign. Talk to the hikers you passed on the way up with your GPS. How do you, on the ground, verify a national park or nature reserve? It sounds like you're talking about the border of the park or reserve. As has been said before, borders probably don't belong in OSM. The name of a park is probably verifiable though. All of these things might be properly marked with signs where you are, but they certainly are not everywhere. If they are not marked, how do the locals know what and where they are? Please, take a vacation outside densely populated areas. Northern Norway is quite nice: http://osm.org/go/1KyNf-- Names are often passed by word of mouth, or learned from a map. You / might/ find some signposted peaks, but I doubt it. If we are supposed to leave out every name that isn't signposted we might as well just give up on creating anything like a nice hiking map for Norway right away. And if we aren't doing anything but roads we might as well use Google maps, they are quite good at that. I don't think anyone has suggested that we leave out things I'd they aren't signposted. The on the ground rule is really for solving disputes and as a general guideline, not as a you should never ever map this statement. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On 31 May 2010, at 21:31 , Knut Arne Bjørndal wrote: On 31. mai 2010, at 21.13, Ian Dees wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: How do, on the ground, you verify the name of a peak? You look at the sign. Talk to the hikers you passed on the way up with your GPS. How do you, on the ground, verify a national park or nature reserve? It sounds like you're talking about the border of the park or reserve. As has been said before, borders probably don't belong in OSM. The name of a park is probably verifiable though. All of these things might be properly marked with signs where you are, but they certainly are not everywhere. If they are not marked, how do the locals know what and where they are? Please, take a vacation outside densely populated areas. Northern Norway is quite nice: http://osm.org/go/1KyNf-- Names are often passed by word of mouth, or learned from a map. You /might/ find some signposted peaks, but I doubt it. word of mouth is normally the original source and a name on map is derived from it. so it can be verified. and what is on the ground is the feature itself. the rule can't be applied to every tag. very few values can be verified on the ground If we are supposed to leave out every name that isn't signposted we might as well just give up on creating anything like a nice hiking map for Norway right away. And if we aren't doing anything but roads we might as well use Google maps, they are quite good at that. -- Knut Arne Bjørndal aka Bob Kåre bob+...@cakebox.net bobk...@irc ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Ad
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 15:13, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Anyway we didn't have anything readily available so we weren't able to seize the opportunity. Does any materials like this exist somewhere for OSM? If not do you think there is a need for it or was this a freak occurrence? There's a collection at http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/ Mostly out of date, but something to use as a baseline. Indeed. A nice start and better than nothing. We can try to plan ahead and have things ready but it is a bit of a fools errand. Different audiences for different magazines would require different materials. Still, it was nice that they thought of us. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: In the US, most of the peaks are marked at the trailhead you use to get to them. I think you will find that most of the peaks in the world are not accessible from trails. Try places like the Himalayas, Greenland, Antarctica, Northern Norway, Siberia or Sahara (and probably large parts of Alaska as well). As you pointed out, the on the ground rule, should not exclude features that are not signposted. - Gustav ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Ad
Still, it was nice that they thought of us. Very nice indeed... Just one thought the print industry tends to work in CMYK (ie. PDF/X-3), so if anyone wants to do an Ad then 'we' should try to make it as easy for the publisher as possible. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] On the ground rule on the wiki
2010/5/31 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com I don't think anyone has suggested that we leave out things I'd they aren't signposted. Nathan, who started this thread, has done exactly that, and he's gone around removing route relations where the routes were not signed on the ground. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...
Hugh Pickens writes The Toronto Star reports that a Utah woman is suing Google for more than $100,000 in damages, claiming its maps function gave her walking directions that led her onto a major highway, where she was struck by a car. Lauren Rosenberg sought directions between two addresses in Utah about 3 kilometers apart and the top result suggested that she follow a busy rural highway for several hundred meters. The highway did not have sidewalks or any other pedestrian-friendly amenities, and Rosenberg was struck by a car. Rosenberg filed suit against both the driver of the car that struck her and Google, claiming both carried responsibility in her injury. Her lawyers claim Google is liable because it did not warn her that the route would not offer a safe place for a pedestrian to walk. Google has pointed out that the directions Rosenberg sought come with a warning of caution for pedestrians, but Rosenberg claims that she accessed the Maps function on her Blackberry mobile device, where it did not include the warning. http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/05/31/1742203/Pedestrian-Follows-Google-Map-Gets-Run-Over-Sues?from=rss ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...
On 5/31/2010 4:36 PM, John Smith wrote: Her lawyers claim Google is liable because it did not warn her that the route would not offer a safe place for a pedestrian to walk. Did Google add their notice after the fact? *Walking directions are in beta.* Use caution -- This route may be missing sidewalks or pedestrian paths. Thanks, N. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...
Hi, Nakor wrote: Did Google add their notice after the fact? I am trying to make it a habit to read articles before I reply to them and have already found it saves me some embarassment. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...
On 5/31/2010 5:29 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Nakor wrote: Did Google add their notice after the fact? I am trying to make it a habit to read articles before I reply to them and have already found it saves me some embarassment. Bye Frederik They claim the warning was not displayed on the Blackberry. Did Google add the notice to the BlackBerry after that? Thanks, N. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...
On 1 June 2010 07:29, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Nakor wrote: Did Google add their notice after the fact? I am trying to make it a habit to read articles before I reply to them and have already found it saves me some embarassment. In this case it doesn't matter if there is a notice or not, I personally wouldn't go and play on a busy road just because some mapping software suggests it's a good idea :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:40 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 June 2010 07:29, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Nakor wrote: Did Google add their notice after the fact? I am trying to make it a habit to read articles before I reply to them and have already found it saves me some embarassment. In this case it doesn't matter if there is a notice or not, I personally wouldn't go and play on a busy road just because some mapping software suggests it's a good idea :) She wasn't playing, she was walking to her destination. I can't tell from the pictures whether it was her fault for following the route, her fault for walking on the wrong side of the road, her fault for not staying close enough to the side of the road, the government's fault for not banning pedestrians, the government's fault for setting too high of a speed limit, or the car driver's fault. From the aerials it does look as though there was enough room on at least one side of the road to walk (it wasn't a paved sidewalk, but whatever). Ridiculous that she'd try to blame Google, though. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:40 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 June 2010 07:29, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Nakor wrote: Did Google add their notice after the fact? I am trying to make it a habit to read articles before I reply to them and have already found it saves me some embarassment. In this case it doesn't matter if there is a notice or not, I personally wouldn't go and play on a busy road just because some mapping software suggests it's a good idea :) She wasn't playing, she was walking to her destination. I can't tell from the pictures whether it was her fault for following the route, her fault for walking on the wrong side of the road, her fault for not staying close enough to the side of the road, the government's fault for not banning pedestrians, the government's fault for setting too high of a speed limit, or the car driver's fault. From the aerials it does look as though there was enough room on at least one side of the road to walk (it wasn't a paved sidewalk, but whatever). Ridiculous that she'd try to blame Google, though. Looking more closely, there is a sidewalk, which turns into a cycleway ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/40967519), about 50 feet from the roadway, on the southbound side which is the same side she was walking on. And if she had been using the sidewalk while heading north on Main St, it would have led her directly to that sidewalk. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Software goes on, brain goes off...
Another article on the same topic, http://searchengineland.com/woman-follows-google-maps-walking-directions-gets-hit-sues-43212 Kind Regards, Nicholas Lawrence Geographic Information Systems Coordinator | Geospatial Technologies Engineering Technology / Design, Environment Stewardship Division | Department of Transport and Main Roads Floor 6 | Spring Hill Office Complex | 477 Boundary Street | Spring Hill Qld 4000 GPO Box 1412 | Brisbane Qld 4001 P: (07) 38342477 | F: (07) 38342998 E: nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au W: www.tmr.qld.gov.au Tomorrow's Queensland: strong, green, smart, healthy and fair – www.towardQ2.qld.gov.au P| Please consider the environment before printing this email *** WARNING: This email (including any attachments) may contain legally privileged, confidential or private information and may be protected by copyright. You may only use it if you are the person(s) it was intended to be sent to and if you use it in an authorised way. No one is allowed to use, review, alter, transmit, disclose, distribute, print or copy this email without appropriate authority. If this email was not intended for you and was sent to you by mistake, please telephone or email me immediately, destroy any hardcopies of this email and delete it and any copies of it from your computer system. Any right which the sender may have under copyright law, and any legal privilege and confidentiality attached to this email is not waived or destroyed by that mistake. It is your responsibility to ensure that this email does not contain and is not affected by computer viruses, defects or interference by third parties or replication problems (including incompatibility with your computer system). Opinions contained in this email do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Department of Transport and Main Roads, Maritime Safety Queensland or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. *** ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...
On 1 June 2010 09:23, Nakor nakor@gmail.com wrote: On 5/31/2010 4:36 PM, John Smith wrote: Her lawyers claim Google is liable because it did not warn her that the route would not offer a safe place for a pedestrian to walk. Did Google add their notice after the fact? *Walking directions are in beta.* Use caution – This route may be missing sidewalks or pedestrian paths. Here's a case from NZ where something similar happened that didn't lead to injury. Until this article was posted, Google Maps directed people through Wellington's bus tunnel, a 1 way tunnel which barely has enough width for buses to travel through. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3552037/Google-maps-off-course-with-walk-through-bus-tunnel At that incident Goolge's response was: Google spokeswoman Annie Baxter said the walking directions search function in Google Maps was still at an experimental phase. We clearly advise people to use caution as routes might be missing footpaths or pedestrian-friendly paths. This implies that they they're undertaking a responsibility to notify people when routes are generated. I guess if the BlackBerry version doesn't include the disclaimer, there's an argument to say that Google didn't meet its (self-imposed?) duty of care to the consumers. Still, even if they breached the duty of care, the injured woman will still need to establish that the breach was a cause of her injury. Tim. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Software goes on, brain goes off...
On 1 June 2010 09:39, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Another article on the same topic, http://searchengineland.com/woman-follows-google-maps-walking-directions-gets-hit-sues-43212 I wonder if she's eligible for an honourable mention from the darwin awards? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Software goes on, brain goes off...
On 1 June 2010 09:52, Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote: Still, even if they breached the duty of care, the injured woman will still need to establish that the breach was a cause of her injury. The only thing that is new in all this is pedestrian routing, people have been following incorrect satnav routes for ages and usually driving into places they shouldn't as a result, people seem to love to be told what to do: http://www.intology.com/science-technology/satnav-causes-30-accidents-in-uk-each-year/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Software goes on, brain goes off...
I would say that her odds of winning the damages, or, for that matter, of having a court agree to hear the case at all, are pretty low. If you are using a map of any sort, you are still expected to use common sense as well. If a map tells you to drive through a road that turns out to be closed for repairs, or is one-way in the wrong direction, that doesn't give you an excuse to drive through the road anyway. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Original Message- From: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:53:01 To: nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org; talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Software goes on, brain goes off... On 1 June 2010 09:39, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Another article on the same topic, http://searchengineland.com/woman-follows-google-maps-walking-directions-gets-hit-sues-43212 I wonder if she's eligible for an honourable mention from the darwin awards? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap Ad
Is it worth doing a small article on OSM for them? It might be worth pointing out that businesses can be tagged with websites etc. and the tags can be read on line. Cheerio John On 31 May 2010 11:13, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: Hey All, Yesterday Richard Weait and I got an email about an opportunity to put an ad for OSM in a Canadian Business Journal. Unfortunately the turn around was only a couple hours (I'm assuming some advertiser dropped out or something). Anyway we didn't have anything readily available so we weren't able to seize the opportunity. Does any materials like this exist somewhere for OSM? If not do you think there is a need for it or was this a freak occurrence? -Kate ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[talk-au] Sydney: Random Hacks of Kindness
Hi Talk-AU, If you'll be at Random Hacks of Kindness in Sydney on June 05-06, and really, you should be, say Hi to the Crisis Commons visitor from Toronto. http://www.rhok.org/events/rhok-1-0/sydney-australia/ About RHoK Random Hacks of Kindness (RHoK) is all about using technology to make the world a better place by building a community of innovation. RHoK brings software engineers together with disaster relief experts to identify critical global challenges, and develop software to respond to them. A RHoK Hackathon event brings together the best and the brightest hackers from around the world, who volunteer their time to solve real-world problems. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Software goes on, brain goes off...
On 1 June 2010 09:39, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote: Another article on the same topic, http://searchengineland.com/woman-follows-google-maps-walking-directions-gets-hit-sues-43212 I wonder if she's eligible for an honourable mention from the darwin awards? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [Talk-de] DE:Aktion 10b : loopings
Am Sonntag, den 30.05.2010, 15:59 +0200 schrieb Chris66: Am 30.05.2010 12:59, schrieb bkmap: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Aktionen/Aktion_10b Ich halte soche pauschlen Änderungen ohne Ortskenntnis für nicht besonders konstruktiv. Große Wendeschleifen mit baulicher Trennung in der Mitte benötigen eine andere Lösung. +1 Wenn es keine durchgehende Fläche ist, sondern wirklich eine Schleife sollte es auch so gemappt werden. Wenn keepright da einen Fehler meldet ist das m.E. ein Falsch- Positive. Der JOSM Validator meldet zB. an dieser Stelle keinen Fehler: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.971336lon=6.533535zoom=18 Wobei der einzelne turning-circle Node in der Schleifenmitte schon sehr kreativ ist ;-) Wäre es nicht sinnvoll, wenn man für kleine Wendeschleifen mit baulicher Trennung highway=turning_circle auch für ways zuließe? Evtl. auch (um die Semikolonform zu vermeiden) turning_circle=yes und highway=* ? Für Renderer würde das unter anderem bedeuten, dass dort der Straßenname nicht gerendert wird. Das sieht auf manchen Karten eh ziemlich komisch aus, wenn der Straßenname so gebogen dargestellt wird. Andre ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fragen zu Oxomoa ÖPNV Schema
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 10:06:30PM +0200, Carsten Gerlach wrote: Am Sonntag 30. Mai 2010 20:21:21 schrieb Tirkon: 355Var1_Hin 355Var1_Rück 355Var2_Hin 355Var2_Rück Wenn ich Oxomoa richtig verstanden habe, werden alle vier Relationen in eine Relation für Linie 355 gepackt. Woher aber weiß eine Anwendung dass 355Var1_Rück die Rückroute von 355Var1_Hin sowie 355Var2_Rück die Rückroute von 355Var2_Hin ist? Eine Möglichkeit wäre noch eine Zwischenebene einzufügen, also erst 355Var1_Hin und 355Var1_Rück in eine Relation 355_Variante1 packen, mit Var2 dito. Und dann 355_Variante1 und 355_Variante2 in die Relation 355 packen. Das Verstehen und Erfassen dieser ganzen Relationen ist so schon schwierig genug. Weitere Ebenen machen das jedesmal noch ein Stück komplexer. Sowohl beim Eintragen als auch beim Auswerten. Deswegen sollte man das hier nicht machen. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] mapgen und Geo::Proj4
Hallo, ich suche jemanden, der sich mit CPAN auskennt. Ich wollte gestern mit mapgen 1.04 eine neue Karte rendern lassen. Dazu wird aber das Modul Geo::Proj4 benötigt. Daher erhalte ich die Meldung: ... Can't locate loadable object for module Geo::Proj4 in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at OSM/mapgen.pm line 41 Compilation failed in require at OSM/mapgen.pm line 41. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at OSM/mapgen.pm line 41. Compilation failed in require at mapgen.pl line 91. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at mapgen.pl line 91. ... Der Versuch dieses Modul mittels cpan-Kdo zu installieren geht auch mit folgender Meldung schief: ... CPAN: File::Temp loaded ok (v0.22) CPAN.pm: Going to build M/MA/MARKOV/Geo-Proj4-1.01.tar.gz ERROR: proj library too old or not found: require 4.4.9 Warning: No success on command[/usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site] Warning (usually harmless): 'YAML' not installed, will not store persistent state MARKOV/Geo-Proj4-1.01.tar.gz /usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site -- NOT OK Running make test Make had some problems, won't test Running make install Make had some problems, won't install Could not read '/home/horst/.cpan/build/Geo-Proj4-1.01-GT36NT/META.yml'. Falling back to other methods to determine prerequisites Failed during this command: MARKOV/Geo-Proj4-1.01.tar.gz : writemakefile NO '/usr/bin/perl Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=site' returned status 512 ... Kann mir jemand einen Tipp geben, welche Proj Library fehlt oder zu alt ist und wie ich dieses richtig stellen kann? hike39 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Geoflags verwendet OSM-Daten
Manuel Reimer schrieb: Nett wäre, wenn das OpenStreetMap im Popup ein Link wäre, der auf www.openstreetmap.org zeigt. Klein drunter könnte etwas dezenter ein Hinweis auf die Lizenz sein. Gibt es überhaupt jemanden, der sich um Einhaltung der Lizenz kümmert? Ich halte es für vergebene Liebesmüh, sich jetzt aktiv um die Einhaltung der CC-Lizenz zu kümmern. Einerseits ist die neue Lizenz in greifbarer Nähe, andererseits werden sich die Websites, die bereits OSM benutzen, bedanken, wenn wir sie jetzt anblaffen, dass sie sich gefälligst an die Lizenz halten sollen und in ein paar Monaten das gleiche Spiel nochmal durchziehen. Von daher würde ich empfehlen: freuen, dass jemand OSM benutzt und auf die neue Lizenz warten. Gruß, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] TMC Points
Moin, Marcus Wolschon schrieb: Die highway=(motorway/...)_link -Straßen und evtl. noch die Nodes an denen diese auf der Autobahn(/Bundesstraße/...) Anfangen oder Enden sollten doch bereits alle Informationen beinhalten. vielleicht ist mein Verständnis vom TMC und von den Routing-Möglichkeiten schlicht zu laienhaft und leider auch durch keine praktische Erfahrung getrübt, daher mal ein kleines Szenario kurz durchgespielt: Der TMC-Location-Code 1 der Autobahn in Fahrtrichtung Norden steht an einem Node zwischen Abfahrt und Auffahrt der Anschlussstelle, der TMC-Location-Code 2 der kreuzenden Straße steht an einem Node der Brücke zwischen den Anschlüssen. Dies ist nach meinem Kenntnisstand ein weitverbreiteter Fall. Im TMC kommt die Meldung Ausfahrt der Anschlussstelle in Fahrtrichtung Norden gesperrt. Nach meiner laienhaften Vermutung z. B. mittels a) einzelnem Location-Code 1 und Event-Code b) vielleicht aber auch mit beiden Location-Codes in der Reihenfolge 1 - 2? Aus diesen gegebenen Informationen kann das Routing also den motorway_link der Ausfahrt ermitteln und meiden? Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] mapgen und Geo::Proj4
2010/5/31 hike39 ho...@hike.de: Hallo, ich suche jemanden, der sich mit CPAN auskennt. Ich wollte gestern mit mapgen 1.04 eine neue Karte rendern lassen. Dazu wird aber das Modul Geo::Proj4 benötigt. Daher erhalte ich die Meldung: [...] Der Versuch dieses Modul mittels cpan-Kdo zu installieren geht auch mit folgender Meldung schief: [...] Hast du CPAN mit root-Rechten ausgeführt? Mit Ubuntu 10.04 und dem folgenden Aufruf funktioniert es einwandfrei. sudo cpan Geo::Proj4 Ciao André ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert
könnte jemand von den Grenzexperten bitte kurz mal erläutern, welche Operationen die Grenzen zerstören? Mir ist das nicht so ganz klar, habe mich bisher aber auch noch nicht so intensiv mit den Grenzen auseinandergesetzt. Wenn ich einen Way splitte, der einer Grenzrelation angehört, dann werden doch automatisch alle Teile wieder Bestandteil der Relation (in JOSM). Ist die Reihenfolge der Ways in der Relation hier entscheidend? Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert
Am 30. Mai 2010 14:00 schrieb Tirkon tirko...@yahoo.de: Zudem hatte ich vor, für einige Weiler, deren Namen sich im täglichen Sprachgebrauch befinden und auch auf Ortseingangsschildern auftauchen, eine nochmalige Unterteilung vorzunehmen. Haben die denn überhaupt administrative Grenzen? (ich meine nicht die Begrenzung der bebauten Grundstücke) Wenn nicht, würde ich davon absehen, eine gefühlte Grenze dafür einzubauen. Gruß, Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Zeichen 241 bei baulicher Trennung?
Am 30. Mai 2010 23:21 schrieb Chris66 chris66...@gmx.de: Die interessantere Frage ist, ob man in diesem Fall in OSM einen oder zwei Ways mappen sollte. warum sollte das eine Frage sein? Baulich getrennte Wege werden in OSM per Definition mit einem Way pro Fahrbahn gemappt, also hier natürlich auch als 2 Wege. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Geoflags verwendet OSM-Daten
Hallo, olvagor wrote: Von daher würde ich empfehlen: freuen, dass jemand OSM benutzt und auf die neue Lizenz warten. Wobei das ja noch nicht 100% klar ist, ob die neue Lizenz tatsaechlich kommt. Aber ich teile Deine Ansicht. Natuerlich ist es jedem Projektteilnehmer unbenommen, auf eigene Faust gegen Lizenzverletzer vorzugehen; trotzdem sollte man auch das Bild unseres Projekts in der Oeffentlichkeit im Kopf behalten. Es hat in der Vergangenheit Aktionen Einzelner gegeben, die durchaus geeignet waren, unser Projekt als eine Ansammlung verbissener Geeks dastehen zu lassen - und dabei wollen wir doch vorallem die Botschaft es macht Spass, jeder kann mitmachen rueberbringen. Die Data Working Group, in der ich auch mitarbeite, hat grundsaetzlich die Aufgabe, Lizenzverletzungen jeder Art zu untersuchen. Wir sind allerdings tendenziell eher mit Faellen beschaeftigt, in denen OSMer die Lizenz von anderen verletzen als umgekehrt ;-) ausserdem ist es utopisch, anzunehmen, eine Gruppe von Freiwilligen, die ab und zu eine Telefonkonferenz machen, koennte sich um jeden Fall kuemmern, in dem irgendwer irgendwo nicht richtig dazuschreibt, dass er Daten von OSM hat. Das muss mehr verteilt werden, da muss es kleine Arbeitsgruppen in jedem Land geben. Auf der SOTM wird es einen kleinen Beitrag von der Data Working Group geben, im Rahmen dessen auch diese Zukunft diskutiert werden soll. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert
Am 31. Mai 2010 10:30 schrieb Martin Simon grenzde...@gmail.com: Haben die denn überhaupt administrative Grenzen? (ich meine nicht die Begrenzung der bebauten Grundstücke) Wenn nicht, würde ich davon absehen, eine gefühlte Grenze dafür einzubauen. gefühlte Grenzen als Place-polygon bzw. mit landuse eingeben, nicht mit admin boundary. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Nichtraucher-Karte - Tagging
Sven Geggus wrote: Raucher sterben früher und belasten das Gesundheissystem weniger. Mag sein. Allerdings zweifle ich an, dass der Großteil der Raucher einfach spontan früher stirbt. Eher kommen da erstmal Erkrankungen wie Lungenkrebs, die das Gesundheitssystem dann wieder belasten. Blödsinn! Es passt nicht zu meiner Liberalen Einstellung anderen was aufzwingen zu wollen. Aufgrund dieser ist für mich die Regelung in BaWue bzgl. Gängelung anderer das höchste der Gefühle. Aber das ist OT hier. Und das vor dem Nichtraucherschutz immer mal wieder ein Raucher im Wirtshaus vom Tisch gegenüber seinen Rauch zu mir geblasen hat, das war dann keine Gängelung? Rauchverbot hat sich doch damals kaum ein Wirt getraut. Der war, wie so viele, nur auf Profit aus. Solange kein Nichtraucher-Wirtshaus in nächster Nähe geöffnet hat, hatte er nicht zu befürchten, dass die Nichtraucher abwandern. Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Blitz-Säule
Johannes Huesing wrote: Spricht eigentlich was dagegen, ein paar mehr einzutragen als man sieht? Nö, wir haben ja bisher relativ wenig Probleme mit Vandalismus, dann fängst Du halt mal damit an. Kopfschüttelnde Grüße, Jörg -- There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't... signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] TMC Points
Am 30.05.2010 08:26, schrieb Marcus Wolschon: 2010/5/28 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Brauchen wir jetzt also jeweils die Wege zwischen der ersten abfahrt und der letzten Auffahrt und zusätzlich die Auf/Abfahrten mit Rolle link ? Welche Rolle link und als Rolle in welcher Relation? Meinst du die Teile der Autobahn selber welche in dem kurzen Stück unter/auf der Autobahnbrücke liegen zwischen der Abfahrt und der Auffahrt? Nein, diese(n) Weg(e) fasse ich als Relation (type=TMC; TMC:cid_58:tabcd_1:Class = Point) zusammen. Zum Beispiel : http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/901123 Warum sollten die überhaupt irgendwie besonders getagged sein? Die highway=(motorway/...)_link -Straßen und evtl. noch die Nodes an denen diese auf der Autobahn(/Bundesstraße/...) Anfangen oder Enden sollten doch bereits alle Informationen beinhalten. Ja, es geht mir um die highway=..._link Wege, aber vielleicht braucht man diese ja gar nicht. Ich dachte wir können auf die Nodes verzichten und nur Wege benutzen, aber vielleicht reichen auch die Nodes und die Wege zwischen Ab- und Auffahrt und wir brauchen die highway=..._link Wege gar nicht taggen. Grüß Colliar ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:20:20AM +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: könnte jemand von den Grenzexperten bitte kurz mal erläutern, welche Operationen die Grenzen zerstören? Mir ist das nicht so ganz klar, habe mich bisher aber auch noch nicht so intensiv mit den Grenzen auseinandergesetzt. Wenn ich einen Way splitte, der einer Grenzrelation angehört, dann werden doch automatisch alle Teile wieder Bestandteil der Relation (in JOSM). Ist die Reihenfolge der Ways in der Relation hier entscheidend? Way splitten ohne alle relationen geladen zu haben die zu dem way gehoeren. Damit wird der way gesplittet und nur der way mit der original id ist weiterhin in der relation - Der neu entstandene aber nicht. Damit hat die Grenze eine Luecke. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de Es ist ein grobes Missverständnis und eine Fehlwahrnehmung, dem Staat im Internet Zensur- und Überwachungsabsichten zu unterstellen. - - Bundesminister Dr. Wolfgang Schäuble -- 10. Juli in Berlin signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Blitz-Säule
Am 31.05.2010 11:35, schrieb Joerg Fischer: Johannes Huesing wrote: Spricht eigentlich was dagegen, ein paar mehr einzutragen als man sieht? Nö, wir haben ja bisher relativ wenig Probleme mit Vandalismus, dann fängst Du halt mal damit an. +1 wobei ich diesen tag bewußt nicht verwende und sowas gar nicht anfasse. Grundsätzlich sind Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkung in Deutschland meist gut begründet (Gefahrenbereiche, Lärmschutz/Anwohnerschutz ...) und somit sinnvoll und wer zu schnell fährt soll das rühig spüren. Ein anderes Thema ist dann wiederum ob wir so viele Gesetzt/Vorschriften brauchen und ob die Menschen sich im Straßenverkehr rücksichtsvoll verhalten können. colliar P.S.: Kannst ja selber Attrappen aufstellen und diese beim Taggen mit richtigen verwechseln. Dann erreichst Du im Moment auf jeden Fall noch mehr Autofahrer als durch OSM allein. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] OSM-Buch: Dritte Auflage ist draussen!
Hallo, ab sofort kann man die dritte Auflage von unserem OSM-Buch kaufen. Sie hat nochmal 32 Seiten mehr als die zweite (384 Seiten) und ist natuerlich komplett ueberarbeitet und aktualisiert. Der Preis ist gleich geblieben (29,95 Euro). Details hier: http://www.openstreetmap.info/de/news/2010-05-31-neue-auflage.html Beim Verlag ist das Buch sofort (ohne Versandkosten und ohne Registrierung) erhaeltlich: http://www.lob.de/isbn/9783865413758/ Die Lehmanns-Filialen werden das Buch im Laufe der Woche erhalten. Der sonstige Online-Buchhandel wird vermutlich ab naechster Woche liefern koennen. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Blitz-Säule
fly schrieb: wobei ich diesen tag bewußt nicht verwende und sowas gar nicht anfasse. Grundsätzlich sind Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkung in Deutschland meist gut begründet (Gefahrenbereiche, Lärmschutz/Anwohnerschutz ...) und somit sinnvoll und wer zu schnell fährt soll das rühig spüren. Nun ich sehe es so, dass das Wissen hier ist ein Blitzer die Fahrer dazu bringt, die Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkungen auch einzuhalten. Lg, Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Nichtraucher-Karte - Tagging
Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de wrote: Mag sein. Allerdings zweifle ich an, dass der Großteil der Raucher einfach spontan früher stirbt. Eher kommen da erstmal Erkrankungen wie Lungenkrebs, die das Gesundheitssystem dann wieder belasten. Dass Raucher die Allgemeinheit unterm Strich weniger kosten hab ich aber nicht erfunden siehe unter anderem hier: http://www.tagesspiegel.de/wirtschaft/studie-uebergewichtige-und-raucher-sind-billiger/1217364.html Und da ist die Tabaksteuer nicht mal berücksichtigt. So, jetzt aber EOD, das ganze hat überhaupt nichts mit OSM zu tun. Gruss Sven -- Whenever there is a conflict between human rights and property rights, human rights must prevail. (Abraham Lincoln) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert
Am 31.05.2010 12:20, schrieb Florian Lohoff: Way splitten ohne alle relationen geladen zu haben die zu dem way gehoeren. Damit wird der way gesplittet und nur der way mit der original id ist weiterhin in der relation - Der neu entstandene aber nicht. Damit hat die Grenze eine Luecke. Wie kann das sein? die API liefert doch im MAP call defaultmäßig alle Relationen die den way enthalten mit? Woher sonst soll der Editor wissen zu welchen Relationen der Way noch gehört? Wenn es also vorkommt, dass der Editor nach einem Map call nicht alle relevanten Relations hat, ist der map call defekt. -- Dirk-Lüder Deelkar Kreie Bremen - 53.0901°N 8.7868°E signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 01:07:02PM +0200, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote: Wie kann das sein? die API liefert doch im MAP call defaultmäßig alle Relationen die den way enthalten mit? Jaha- Einen weg laden oder einen node - Dann relation oeffnen - Download all members - und dann einen der members splitten ausserhalb des original gedownloadetem bereich ... Schon sind alle anderen relationen die diesen weg beinhalten kaputt ... Woher sonst soll der Editor wissen zu welchen Relationen der Way noch gehört? Wenn es also vorkommt, dass der Editor nach einem Map call nicht alle relevanten Relations hat, ist der map call defekt. Siehe oben - Das problem ist ja das man wenn man z.b. Berlin bearbeitet nicht ganz Berlin laden kann - Sondern man will NUR die Grenzen laden, aber bitte mit allen anhaengenden relationen ... Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de Es ist ein grobes Missverständnis und eine Fehlwahrnehmung, dem Staat im Internet Zensur- und Überwachungsabsichten zu unterstellen. - - Bundesminister Dr. Wolfgang Schäuble -- 10. Juli in Berlin signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] motorway und motorway_link um desti nation-tag ergänzen
Hallo liebe talk-de-comunity ich bin relativ neu bei OSM (1 Jahr), und lese talk-de regelmäßig seit ca. 8 Wochen. Nun möchte ich einen Vorschlag machen, der das Autobahnrouting und damit die Nutzung von OSM-Navi's wesentlich natürlicher gestalten könnte. Wenn z.b. neben ref=A 7 noch der Tag destination=Kassel auf dem way vom motorway_link (nur Auffahrt) zusätzlich gesetzt werden würde, könnte ein Routing-Programm diesen Tag sehr leicht auswerten. Stellenweise habe ich schon gesehen dass ref=A 7 Kassel getaggt wurde, was ich aber nicht für sinnvoll halte. Zustätzlich kann man sich noch überlegen, den Autobahn-way in entsprechender Richtung ebenfalls mit dem destination-tag auszustatten. Vorteile: - Sofortige Information über die Richtung einer Auffahrt oder eine Autobhanabschnitts. Durch einfaches und schnelles Auslesen des Tags wäre es Routern/Navis sofort möglich zu bestimmen, in welche Richtung man unterwegs ist. Also z.b. in Richtung Kassel. Woher soll der Router sonst wissen, wohin dieser Autobahnabschnitt führt? Stadt-Polygone-auswerten und schauen, ob diese Autobahn diese durchkreuzt ist ungleich aufwendiger, als einfach den destination-Tag auszulesen. - Einfachere Generierung von Auffahrts-Anweisungen an motorway_links: Eine Abbiegeanweisung auf die A 7 Richtung Kassel ist mit diesem Tag deutlich schneller und weniger rechenintensiv zu erzeugen, als den Stadt-Polygon (s.o.) auszuwerten. Unnatürliche Anweisungen ohne Richtungsangabe jetzt abbiegen auf A 7 würden der Vergangenheit angehören. Nachteile: - sehe ich derzeit keine, da es sich um ein einfaches Tag handelt, das nicht kompliziert ist. - Das Wiki wäre auf - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:highway%3Dmotorway - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:highway%3Dmotorway_link - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Autobahn relativ einfach zu ergänzen. Vorgehensweise: - an Auffahrten: als destination (also Richtung) sollte der Name der Stadt eingetragen werden, die auf dem blauen Auffahrtsschild steht Beispiel: highway=motorway_link ref=A 1; E 22 destination=Lübeck maxspeed=60 etc... - auf der AB selbst: als destination sollte der Name der Stadt eingetragen werden, der zuoberst des blauen Autobahnschildes steht. Beispiel: highway=motorway name=Lübeck - Stuhr destionaion=Lübeck lanes=4 maxspeed=100 etc... Anmerkungen/Bedenken: - Abfahrten benötigen keinen destination-tag, da hier ja schon durch motorway_junction:name=xyz der Name der Stadt enthalten ist, zu dem die Abfahrt gehört. - der name-Tag des motorway ist nicht aussagekräftig bezüglich der Richtung, in der dieser way führt. Z.B. A 7 Ulm-Kassel IMHO ändert sich der Name nicht in A 7 Kassel-Ulm, wenn man die Gegenrichtung taggt - oder habe ich das im wiki übersehen? Der motorway_link wäre dennoch sinnvoll mit destination zu taggen. - Richtigerweise werden jetzt manche sagen, dass man nicht für Anwendungen taggen soll. Das ist auch meine Meinung. Doch durch diesen Vorschlag würden keine gültigen OSM-Tagging-Regeln verbogen werden, um es routern einfacher zu machen. sondern der Informationsgehalt würde verbessert werden, der nicht nur Routern zugute kommen würde. Freue mich über zahlreiches Feedback, steffterra http://developer.roadee.net http://map.roadee.net/routino/router.html ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] motorway und motorway_link um desti nation-tag ergänzen
Am 31.05.2010 13:18, schrieb steffterra: ich bin relativ neu bei OSM (1 Jahr), und lese talk-de regelmäßig seit ca. 8 Wochen. Nun möchte ich einen Vorschlag machen, der das Autobahnrouting und damit die Nutzung von OSM-Navi's wesentlich natürlicher gestalten könnte. +1 einige Autobahnkreuze sind schon so getaggt. Dann gibt's da noch ein relationsbasierten Vorschlag zum Mapping von Wegweisern, den ich aber für zu kompliziert halte. ;-) Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] DE:Aktion 10b : loopings
Am 31.05.2010 08:28, schrieb Andre Hinrichs: Wäre es nicht sinnvoll, wenn man für kleine Wendeschleifen mit baulicher Trennung highway=turning_circle auch für ways zuließe? Evtl. auch (um die Semikolonform zu vermeiden) turning_circle=yes und highway=* ? Für Renderer würde das unter anderem bedeuten, dass dort der Straßenname nicht gerendert wird. Das sieht auf manchen Karten eh ziemlich komisch aus, wenn der Straßenname so gebogen dargestellt wird. wenn Dich der gebogenene Name stört: die Schlaufe einzeln mappen und den Namen einfach weglassen. turning_circle=yes zusätzlich zum highway finde ich aber auch ok. Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Buch: Dritte Auflage ist draussen!
Hallo, Frederik Ramm schrieb: Die Lehmanns-Filialen werden das Buch im Laufe der Woche erhalten. Der sonstige Online-Buchhandel wird vermutlich ab naechster Woche liefern koennen. Lehmanns in berlin hat schon am Freitag geliefert :-) http://www.lob.de/cgi-bin/work/suche?flag=newstich1=386541375id=oND0VOlgyDuBframe=yes Gruß Burkhard ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Blitz-Säule
Joerg Fischer glaubte zu wissen: Johannes Huesing wrote: Spricht eigentlich was dagegen, ein paar mehr einzutragen als man sieht? Nö, wir haben ja bisher relativ wenig Probleme mit Vandalismus, dann fängst Du halt mal damit an. +1 Mir gefallen die Raser auch nicht, aber sowas ist der falsche Weg etwas dagegen zu unternehmen. flo -- Ah... gs/gv sind IIRC von GNU, haben also alle ein bischen vom Emacs--Spiecherverhalten geerbt. Leuchtdioden sind meist rot, gelb oder grün, also aus Paprika. [Clemens Meier und Thomas Richard in dcoulm] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Blitz-Säule
Peter Körner glaubte zu wissen: fly schrieb: wobei ich diesen tag bewußt nicht verwende und sowas gar nicht anfasse. Grundsätzlich sind Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkung in Deutschland meist gut begründet (Gefahrenbereiche, Lärmschutz/Anwohnerschutz ...) und somit sinnvoll und wer zu schnell fährt soll das rühig spüren. Nun ich sehe es so, dass das Wissen hier ist ein Blitzer die Fahrer dazu bringt, die Geschwindigkeitsbeschränkungen auch einzuhalten. Tun sie nicht. Es gibt genug, die regelmäßig die Funktion der stationären Blitzer testen und nachher über Abzocke meckern. Die zeitweiligen Blitzer sind noch besser: in dem dünn besiedelten Kreis hier sind ganze *zwei* Geräte im Einsatz, ein Laser und ein Radarmeßgerät, letztes Jahr ist im Schnitt pro Gerät alle 14min ein Führerschein gefallen. Und die gewittergefährdeten Stellen sind den meisten durchaus bekannt. flo -- Einige Leut, deren worte so scharf wie Messer sind, bedenken nicht, das Messer auch einmal stumpf werden können. [WoKo in dag°] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert
Am 31.05.2010 13:17, schrieb Florian Lohoff: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 01:07:02PM +0200, Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote: Wie kann das sein? die API liefert doch im MAP call defaultmäßig alle Relationen die den way enthalten mit? Jaha- Einen weg laden oder einen node - Dann relation oeffnen - Download all members - und dann einen der members splitten ausserhalb des original gedownloadetem bereich ... Schon sind alle anderen relationen die diesen weg beinhalten kaputt ... Ok, jetzt versteh ich. Ich dachte schon ich hätte selber einige relations in Bremen zerschreddert. aber da ich immer mit dem MAP-Call gearbeitet habe, habe ich da jetzt eher weniger Bedenken. -- Dirk-Lüder Deelkar Kreie Bremen - 53.0901°N 8.7868°E signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Nichtraucher-Karte - Tagging
Manuel Reimer glaubte zu wissen: Sven Geggus wrote: Raucher sterben früher und belasten das Gesundheissystem weniger. Mag sein. Allerdings zweifle ich an, dass der Großteil der Raucher einfach spontan früher stirbt. Eher kommen da erstmal Erkrankungen wie Lungenkrebs, die das Gesundheitssystem dann wieder belasten. Und der Nichtraucher lebt 20 oder 30 Jahre länger und braucht in dieser Zeit keine Behandlung? Ich möcht btw mal das Geschrei hören, wenn auf einen Schlag *alle* Rauchen das Rauchen aufgeben würden. flo -- Aber er hatt doch Recht! Soll er doch erst mal meine Postings lesen. Dann wird Ihm aber echt schwummerig. [WoKo in dafb] ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Geoflags verwendet OSM-Daten
Am Sonntag, den 30.05.2010, 23:00 +0200 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Manuel Reimer wrote: Wo steht denn, dass man alles, was man auf der Openstreetmap anzeigt auch wieder unter CC-BY-SA gesetzt werden muss? Das ist nicht der Fall. Aber wenn Du ein Interface anbietest, mit dem Leute auf einer OSM-Karte neue POIs eintragen koennen, ist davon auszugehen, dass die Leute sich dabei an der OSM-Karte orientieren - z.B. jemand weiss, dass an der Ecke Bachstr/Goethestr ein Briefkasten ist und traegt den auf der Karte ein; *wo* diese Ecke aber ist, die Info kommt aus OSM, also Briefkasten = abgeleitetes Werk. Wenn man den Briefkasten anderswo herhat und nur ueber OSM anzeigt, ist das was anderes. Ah, jetzt hab ichs verstanden... :) Daran hatte ich gar nicht gedacht. Ist ja verrückt, auch welche Dinge man alles beim Recht achten muss. Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Geoflags verwendet OSM-Daten
Hallo, Solang wir eine Lizenz haben, die den Leuten Vorschriften macht, sollten wir uns m.E. damit zufriedengeben, dass die Leute die Lizenz einhalten, anstatt selbst dann noch nach einer Gegenleistung zu fragen! Wie man sieht, es es ja schwierig genug, die Lizenz einzuhalten; ich finde, dass Geoflags es nicht korrekt macht, aber sie machen es besser als viele andere OSM-Nutzer, die nicht mal dazusagen, wo die Daten herkommen. Gegenleistung sollte man natürlich nicht vorschreiben, aber so wie es bei skobbler funktioniert, gefällt es mir schon sehr gut. Die Fehler, die die finden, melden sie an uns zurück, sozusagen als Gegenleistung helfen sie uns bei der Verbesserung der Daten. Die könnten ja auch einfach hingehen und die Fehler nur bei ihnen beheben und uns nichts davon erzählen. Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] motorway und motorway_link um desti nation-tag ergänzen
Am 31.05.2010 um 13:25 schrieb Chris66: Am 31.05.2010 13:18, schrieb steffterra: ich bin relativ neu bei OSM (1 Jahr), und lese talk-de regelmäßig seit ca. 8 Wochen. Nun möchte ich einen Vorschlag machen, der das Autobahnrouting und damit die Nutzung von OSM-Navi's wesentlich natürlicher gestalten könnte. +1 einige Autobahnkreuze sind schon so getaggt. das stimmt. Doch wäre es doch gut, wenn das auch Einzug in die Wiki-Seiten hielte, oder? An wen wende ich mich da am besten? Liest hier jemand mit, der da Erfahrungen gemacht hat? Dann gibt's da noch ein relationsbasierten Vorschlag zum Mapping von Wegweisern, den ich aber für zu kompliziert halte. ;-) Relationen sind wichtig, um Zusammenhänge verstreuter oder aneinander gefügte unterschiedliche ways und nodes thematisch zu verbinden. Dafür sind sie super. Der destination-tag ist jedoch einfach zu realisieren und tut imho keinem weh und kann viel einfacher ausgewertet werden, als eine (für diesen Zweck) umständliche Relation. Also warum nicht ins wiki eintragen? Grüße steffterra ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM-Buch: Dritte Auflage ist draussen!
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Details hier: http://www.openstreetmap.info/de/news/2010-05-31-neue-auflage.html Hm, heiteres Städteraten mit OSM Buchtiteln :) http://www.openstreetmap.info/img/auflage1-cover-large.png http://www.openstreetmap.info/img/auflage2-cover-large.png http://www.openstreetmap.info/img/auflage3-cover-large.png Auflösung: 1. Auflage: Xneyfehur 2. Auflage: Unzohet 3. Auflage: Zhrapura Gruss Sven -- If you don't make lower-resolution mapping data publicly available, there will be people with their cars and GPS devices, driving around with their laptops (Tim Berners-Lee) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Grenze DE-AT durchlöchert
Am 29.05.2010 20:20, schrieb Matthias Versen: Andreas Labres wrote: Ich würde um mehr Sorgfalt bitten, wenn man insbesondere internationale Grenz-Ways zerteilt! Das betrifft alle Grenzways, der Schaden wir nur größer je höherwertiger die Grenze ist. Diese Relationhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/17511 ist immer noch durchlöchert, es waren/sind(?) aber auch div. Multipolygone von österr. Bezirken und Gemeinden zerstört. :( Das passiert eihentlich auf Deutscher Seite jede Woche einige Male. Ausgelöst durech eine JOSM fehlbedienung vor die JOSM nicht warnt. Irgendwie macht's keinem Spaß, den Fehlern anderer hinterherzuarbeiten... Ich verstehe das, ich repariere innerhalb von .de die Grenzen alle 1-2 Wochen. Zum Glück gibt es noch andere die dabei helfen denn sonst wäre es nicht mehr zu schaffen die Fehler zu korrigieren. Das Problem ist mir auch schon aufgefallen, habe auch schon ein Ticket in trac erstellt. Leider sind bei den JOSM-Entwicklern zur Zeit nur wenig Resourcen frei und somit liegt die Arbeit zum größten Teil bei nur 2 Entwicklern. Du kannst aber dieses Problem durch vorsichtiges Editieren ( indem du den kleinen Bereich entlang der Grenze, den du editieren willst seperat herunterlädst) oder Du kannst nach einem Download von allen unvöllständigen Elementen alle im Relationseditor auswählen und dann mit dem vierten Button in der rechten (mittleren) Leiste alle Objekte im Map-View auswählen, mit Strg-Alt-D oder unter Datei - download parent/child... alle fehlende Relationen nachladen. Zweites belastet aber die OSM-Server um einiges mehr als ersteres und kann auch einige Zeit + Datentransfer in Anspruch nehmen. colliar ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Sammlung von Kartendarstellungen
Hallo alle, gibts eigentlich irgendwo ne Übersicht über die mittlerweile doch recht vielzähligen Eigenkreationen was die Kartenstile/Renderings angeht? Hin und wieder stolpert man in den News über tolle Karten mit z.B. höhenlinien, entsprechendem Shading, etc. pp. Wenn man das dann aber mal spontan anderen zeigen will (weil der Mapnik Renderer nicht immer ganz überzeugen kann) findet man so schwer wieder was anderes. Gibts da entsprechend irgendwo ne Sammlung? Bzw. wenn nicht, dann wäre es doch praktisch, sowas mal ins Wiki einzupflegen. Schöne Grüße, Sven ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sammlung von Kartendarstellungen
Hatte neulich eine aehnliche Idee. Nach dem Prinzip eine fuer alle Durch anklicken in der hauptkarte und gesetzter auswahl die orte in neuem fenster mit ausgewaehlter karte anzuzeigen. Uebergabe parameter waeren immer die gps koordinaten. ISt ja mitunter doch recht muehsehlig immer x bookmrks fuer seine lieblingsareale zu haben (Postkastenmap/poitoolsmap/bikemap/linkmap/...) fabs Sven Eppler wrote: Hallo alle, gibts eigentlich irgendwo ne Übersicht über die mittlerweile doch recht vielzähligen Eigenkreationen was die Kartenstile/Renderings angeht? Hin und wieder stolpert man in den News über tolle Karten mit z.B. höhenlinien, entsprechendem Shading, etc. pp. Wenn man das dann aber mal spontan anderen zeigen will (weil der Mapnik Renderer nicht immer ganz überzeugen kann) findet man so schwer wieder was anderes. Gibts da entsprechend irgendwo ne Sammlung? Bzw. wenn nicht, dann wäre es doch praktisch, sowas mal ins Wiki einzupflegen. Schöne Grüße, Sven ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sammlung von Kartendarstellungen
Sven Eppler s...@sveneppler.de wrote: gibts eigentlich irgendwo ne Übersicht über die mittlerweile doch recht vielzähligen Eigenkreationen was die Kartenstile/Renderings angeht? Das Schaufenster auf openstreetmap.de fällt mir ein. Gruss Sven -- Why are there so many Unix-haters-handbooks and not even one Microsoft-Windows-haters handbook? Gurer vf ab arrq sbe n unaqobbx gb ungr Zvpebfbsg Jvaqbjf! /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fragen zu Oxomoa ÖPNV Schema
Hallo, ich habe auch noch eine Frage zum ÖPNV-Schema: aus der Wikiseite geht nicht so ganz hervor, in welcher Reihenfolge man die Wege, Haltestellen und Haltepositionen ordnen soll, da man die Wege nicht an den Haltestellen aufsplitten soll. Ich habe es erstmal so gemacht: -alle Wege in ihrer Reihenfolge bei der Befahrung der Linie -alle Bushaltestellen mit ihren Stoppositionen, für jeden Halt immer so: 1. Halteposition 1 2. Haltestelle 1 3. Halteposition 2 4. Haltestelle 2 Ist das so richtig? Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sammlung von Kartendarstellungen
Fabian schrieb: Hatte neulich eine aehnliche Idee. Nach dem Prinzip eine fuer alle Durch anklicken in der hauptkarte und gesetzter auswahl die orte in neuem fenster mit ausgewaehlter karte anzuzeigen. Uebergabe parameter waeren immer die gps koordinaten. ISt ja mitunter doch recht muehsehlig immer x bookmrks fuer seine lieblingsareale zu haben (Postkastenmap/poitoolsmap/bikemap/linkmap/...) Es existiert http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapJumper hth malenki ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sammlung von Kartendarstellungen
Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de wrote: Das Schaufenster auf openstreetmap.de fällt mir ein. Nachdem ich das schon geschrieben hatte ist mir auch noch die Wikipedia Geohack Seite eingefallen. dort kann man ebenfalls weitere OSM karten eintragen. Ein Beispiel: http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?project=osmpagename=Brandenburger%20Torlanguage=deparams=52.51638889_N_13.3778_E_region:DE-BE_type:landmark Gruss Sven -- Um Kontrolle Ihres Kontos wiederzugewinnen, klicken Sie bitte auf das Verbindungsgebrüll. (aus einer Ebay fishing Mail) /me is gig...@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sammlung von Kartendarstellungen
Sven Eppler schrieb: gibts eigentlich irgendwo ne Übersicht über die mittlerweile doch recht vielzähligen Eigenkreationen was die Kartenstile/Renderings angeht? Alle Styles die der Wikimedia Toolserver rendert, sind hier eingetragen: http://toolserver.org/~osm/styles/ Lg, Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de