Re: [OSM-talk] HOT Activations for humanitarian relief

[Pierre Béland]

CORRECTION

The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UNOCHA) 
offices for each country is involved and not only for Mali. Cut and paste is 
dangerous!


 
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[OSM-talk] HOT Activations for humanitarian relief

[Pierre Béland]

Everybody remembers how the OSM community made the news in jan. 2010 with 
mapping for the Haiti Earthquake. Since then, the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap 
Team (HOT) has continued collaboration with various humanitarian NGO's and UN 
agencies to support humanitarian organizations for various disasters and 
humanitarian relief. 

The recent military conflicts in Democratic Republic of Congo, Mali and Syria 
have created a very complex humanitarian situation. There are presently  
hundred of thousand of people displaced and new people are displaced regularly. 
It is also very dificult for NGO's to circulate on the territory. The logistic 
to respond to these humanitarian needs necessitates good base maps that are 
generally not available in these countries. Then, the OSM community is very 
sollicited to collaborate to map rapidly these areas since the commercial 
mappers neglect these areas.

The HOT team recently activated humanitarian mapping support for these three 
countries at the request of the United Nations Office for the Coordination of 
Humanitarian Affairs for Mali (UNOCHA) and humanitarian organizations. With 
this very particular situation, we thought of asking other OSM contributors to 
collaborate to mapping these countries.


You can see the articles published on the HOT Blog to describe these 
activations.
- 
http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2012-12-12_hot_pre_activation_south_and_north_kivu_democratic_republic_of_congo
- http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2013-01-28_syria_activation
- http://hot.openstreetmap.org/updates/2013-02-01_Mali_Activation


The OSM Tasking Manager facilitates the coordination of the various remote 
mappers. We invite the OSM community in general to help the Humanitarian 
OpenStreetMap Team respond rapidly to this situation. Below are links to Task 
Manager jobs for these three countries.

- http://tasks.hotosm.org/#all/Congo
- http://tasks.hotosm.org/#all/Mali
- http://tasks.hotosm.org/#all/syria


Other then 
base mapping of various areas, we are asked to geolocate various Basic Services 
Utilities (ie.
Health facilities, Schools, Water points). This information is crucial for 
humanitarian organizations and we are looking for
volunteers with local knowledge of these countries to help us on this topic.
These mapping activities are lead by HOT members described below and 
coordination is generally done via the HOT distribution list 
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
.

- Democratic Republic of Congo : Pierre Béland with Claire Halleux has HOT 
contact in DR Congo

- Mali : Pierre Béland and Frédéric Bonifas
- Syria : Joseph Reeves
- Support to these teams by Nicolas and Kate Chapman

Please join us!

 
Pierre Béland
Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Richard Fairhurst]

Eugene Alvin Villar wrote:
> What about mailing list archives? Will the OSMF then start deleting 
> emails if they contain Google Maps links?

I'd quite like the OSMF to start deleting e-mails that don't quote the
previous message properly. ;)

cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

You mentioned cleaning up the Wiki and the Help Q&A site.

What about mailing list archives? Will the OSMF then start deleting emails
if they contain Google Maps links?


On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 2:41 AM, Simon Poole  wrote:

>
> Because of the time constraints the removal of the google links is quite
> rough, however most (as in all except a handful)  of the links were either
> old, outdated, or/and unused, as for example essentially all links to old
> errors in Google maps based on TeleAtlas data, which should have been
> deleted years ago. Naturally you can add back sanitized links, however I
> would in general question why we would want to use google data in our own
> documentation in the first place (that is naturally a different discussion).
>
> As for the rest Jeff Meyer has summarized it nicely.
>
> Simon
>
> Am 01.02.2013 18:57, schrieb Ilya Zverev:
>
> > Hi. Regardless of that trademark business, I've checked Simon's edits
> and they mostly consist of removing links to google maps, which contain
> empty "geocode" parameter and them (and many other redundant parameters
> that editors didn't bother to omit). Some of the edits are quite funny, for
> example,
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Essex_Way&diff=prev&oldid=861689(removed
>  a link to display kml with google maps).
> >
> > I cannot understand why links to google maps have become prohibited in
> our wiki, but there are probably one or two meaningful edits and lots of
> what can be called vandalism. For example, cleaning "Copyright Easter Eggs"
> pages from links to mentioned easter eggs.
> >
> > So, I vote for 1) reverting all those edits; 2) explaining in detail
> what is prohibited (what words, which links etc.) and what is not; 3)
> editing wiki more thoroughly, so every edit could be understood.
> >
> >
> > IZ
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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 02/01/2013 08:54 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
> On 1 February 2013 19:06, Jeff Meyer  > wrote:
>
>
> Fine, disagree, but please disagree with a plan for how to fund
> your alternate plan, describing in detail the source of new funds
> or what other OSMF activities should be de-funded to support this
> plan.
>
>
> I agree with what you're saying although I can't help thinking that if
> the OSMF can't take the risk of having some things in the wiki, the
> solution, for everyone's benefit, is to move the wiki to a server
> that's not paid for by the OSMF.  I'm positive finding such a server
> wouldn't be difficult (in fact the home page says it is hosted at UCL
> & ByteMark -- so if the OSMF is neither hosting nor writing the
> content, should it accept the C+D?  The admins *are* OSMF members, but
> they're not OSMF).

Bad idea because a link to the OSMF can still be established.

But it reminds me of an obvious response - let's streisand them ! I have
no relationship to the OSMF in any way and I volunteer to mirror the
wiki with the infringing words - read-only since I have limited
processing power on my host. Does anyone have an archive of the latest
infringing version ? Let's produce a mirroring kit and spread it far and
wide !

The verb 'to geocode' is generic English language word and I'll stand by
that even if a US court decides otherwise. Silly fight ? Yes - I have
absolutely no skill whatsoever in choosing my battles ! Good thing I'm
not a US citizen.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen]

If there were no BoD, but OSM were still a true crowd driven

organization, there would not have been a place to address this
notice

 

Put up a tree and you are sure to catch wind !

 

Geert

 

Van: Jeff Meyer [mailto:j...@gwhat.org] 
Verzonden: vrijdag 1 februari 2013 19:07
Aan: Manfred A. Reiter
CC: talk@openstreetmap.org
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

 

Team - 

 

The OSMF BoD is doing the job for which its members were elected. Thank
goodness.

 

There's a trademark. We've been served notice (I believe). The board has
made a decision. The chairman of the board (probably a (tm) term...) has
communicated this decision.

 

Fine, disagree, but please disagree with a plan for how to fund your
alternate plan, describing in detail the source of new funds or what
other OSMF activities should be de-funded to support this plan.

 

Yes, it sounds silly to trademark geocode, yes, it's a US-only thing,
but these issues are solved in courts, with real money for real lawyers,
not well-reasoned arguments on email threads supported by personal moral
and ethical constructs and not law.

 

Personally, I'm glad the OSMF BoD is taking care of this so I don't have
to. As Mr. W said, I'd rather be mapping...

 

- Jeff

 

 

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Manfred A. Reiter 
wrote:

On 01/02/13 17:49, Richard Weait wrote:

> @andres / @cartinus, such a trade mark has been issued by
USPTO
>
> http://weait.com/content/trade-mark
>
> Anyone who cares to pick up this fight with their money, is
likely to be
> able to do so very simply.

Oh, come on:

"Get up, stand up..." and "I shot the sheriff" come to my mind.

I always hear money. Is that really all that counts.

Let us fight and win and not behave like the octopuses want us
to.

 

+1

 

This would be much better publicity than we can get by
connecting our social
community with main stream social media.

 

+1 

 

 

 

 


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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[andrzej zaborowski]

On 1 February 2013 19:06, Jeff Meyer  wrote:

> The OSMF BoD is doing the job for which its members were elected. Thank
> goodness.
>
> There's a trademark. We've been served notice (I believe). The board has
> made a decision. The chairman of the board (probably a (tm) term...) has
> communicated this decision.
>
> Fine, disagree, but please disagree with a plan for how to fund your
> alternate plan, describing in detail the source of new funds or what other
> OSMF activities should be de-funded to support this plan.
>

I agree with what you're saying although I can't help thinking that if the
OSMF can't take the risk of having some things in the wiki, the solution,
for everyone's benefit, is to move the wiki to a server that's not paid for
by the OSMF.  I'm positive finding such a server wouldn't be difficult (in
fact the home page says it is hosted at UCL & ByteMark -- so if the OSMF is
neither hosting nor writing the content, should it accept the C+D?  The
admins *are* OSMF members, but they're not OSMF).  The OSMF has at some
point started assuming responsibility for what is being published in the
database and now on the wiki.  In the case of the database it makes sense
for someone to give some level of warranty that the data in it in fact is
legally usable, although the consequences of this step have had a terrible
effect on the map and the community so far.


> Yes, it sounds silly to trademark geocode, yes, it's a US-only thing, but
> these issues are solved in courts, with real money for real lawyers, not
> well-reasoned arguments on email threads supported by personal moral and
> ethical constructs and not law.
>

You know, anything someone will say, who is not the judge, is just a well
reasoned argument (or not that well reasoned) and the law will have a final
word.  Doesn't mean that someone pointing out that the law makes it
unlikely for the owner of the GEOCODE trademark to sue a company in UK, or
for it to be costly to resolve, shouldn't be listened to.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Lester Caine]

Christopher Woods (IWD) wrote:

My opinion? All this is irrelevant and OSM is fine to continue using "geocode".

IANAL but I do work in a sector concerned with intellectual property and EU law;
based on extensive prior art and extensive genericised usage of the word
"geocode" any trademark of the word or phrase "geo code" or "geocode" is without
merit and unenforceable. OSM's usage is itself a great example.


Since the trademark has been refused in Europe the only response required is a 
referral to the European listing for trade mark '1131057'. I don't see that 
there is any need to be involve in any other discussion? Certainly there is 
nothing that needs money spending on it ...


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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[John F. Eldredge]

f.dos.san...@free.fr wrote:

> It's here :
> 
> https://docs.google.com/a/osmfoundation.org/document/d/19wLhnezowHBio9zGaJkNaCbDX-gmWNHUSdx1kdQJYY0/edit
> 
> 
> - Mail original -
> From: "Cartinus" 
> To: talk@openstreetmap.org
> Date: 01/02/2013 19:32:44
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
> 
> >O really, we've been officially served? Then that should not be a
> secret
> >is it?
> >
> >Please put whatever communication the OSMF received in a place we can
> >see. So we know what is actually "forbidden". Stop treating the
> >volunteers as mushrooms.
> >
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You did not give a link to the actual cease-and-desist letter, as requested; 
you only gave a link to minutes stating that such a letter had been received.  
So, ordinary rank-and-file mappers still haven't been told the details of what 
is forbidden.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Ilya Zverev]

Hi. Since no one has explained, I'd quote a part from OSMF Board 
Meeting Minutes:


OSMF received C+D letter from someone who trademarked the word 
“Geocode(TM)” and asks us to remove all references to this from our web 
site where it is connected in some way with Google services. Simon is 
in contact with a lawyer about this. We might actually remove the few 
occurrences because they are not essential to us.


So, you can still use "geocode" as a word. But you cannot, as it seems, 
use it in relation with Google services. That is, no "geocode using 
google" and such. That's why some links to Google Maps were removed. I 
don't know about Nominatim, especially MapQuest's Nominatim, but to be 
on a safe side, better use "search". And if you don't mention any 
services, you can use that word freely, as in "now having parsed 
coordinates, do the reverse geocoding to aquire their human-readable 
locations". After all, the wikipedia page for "Geocoding" doesn't 
mention any trademarks (although it has Google Maps as its first 
reference).


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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[f . dos . santos]

It's here :

https://docs.google.com/a/osmfoundation.org/document/d/19wLhnezowHBio9zGaJkNaCbDX-gmWNHUSdx1kdQJYY0/edit


- Mail original -
From: "Cartinus" 
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Date: 01/02/2013 19:32:44
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

>O really, we've been officially served? Then that should not be a secret
>is it?
>
>Please put whatever communication the OSMF received in a place we can
>see. So we know what is actually "forbidden". Stop treating the
>volunteers as mushrooms.
>

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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Simon Poole]

Because of the time constraints the removal of the google links is quite
rough, however most (as in all except a handful)  of the links were
either old, outdated, or/and unused, as for example essentially all
links to old errors in Google maps based on TeleAtlas data, which should
have been deleted years ago. Naturally you can add back sanitized links,
however I would in general question why we would want to use google data
in our own documentation in the first place (that is naturally a
different discussion).

As for the rest Jeff Meyer has summarized it nicely.

Simon

Am 01.02.2013 18:57, schrieb Ilya Zverev:
> Hi. Regardless of that trademark business, I've checked Simon's edits and 
> they mostly consist
of removing links to google maps, which contain empty "geocode"
parameter and them (and many other redundant parameters that editors
didn't bother to omit). Some of the edits are quite funny, for example,
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Essex_Way&diff=prev&oldid=861689
(removed a link to display kml with google maps).
>
> I cannot understand why links to google maps have become prohibited in
our wiki, but there are probably one or two meaningful edits and lots of
what can be called vandalism. For example, cleaning "Copyright Easter
Eggs" pages from links to mentioned easter eggs.
>
> So, I vote for 1) reverting all those edits; 2) explaining in detail
what is prohibited (what words, which links etc.) and what is not; 3)
editing wiki more thoroughly, so every edit could be understood.
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Cartinus]

On 02/01/2013 07:06 PM, Jeff Meyer wrote:
> We've been served notice (I believe).

O really, we've been officially served? Then that should not be a secret
is it?

Please put whatever communication the OSMF received in a place we can
see. So we know what is actually "forbidden". Stop treating the
volunteers as mushrooms.

As Ilya just pointed out, the edits to the wiki look really weird. With
the tiny bit of information we have been given, it actually looks as if
Simon removed too much.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Michael Krämer]

Am 01.02.2013 19:06, schrieb Jeff Meyer:

Yes, it sounds silly to trademark geocode, yes, it's a US-only thing, but
these issues are solved in courts, with real money for real lawyers, not
well-reasoned arguments on email threads supported by personal moral and
ethical constructs and not law.
I fully agree - this is not about argument or logic but about laws. 
Unfortunately also about US laws where things easily get really, really 
expensive. Those large cooperations tend settle these things for 
millions simply because legal action is unpredictable in it's outcome 
and even more expensive.


Yes, I would like the story to end with David winning against Goliath. 
But I there's quite some risk that this could end up more like Achilles' 
story...



Personally, I'm glad the OSMF BoD is taking care of this so I don't have
to. As Mr. W said, I'd rather be mapping...
Yes, let's use our manpower for mapping, not for fighting possibly 
invalid trademarks.


Michael

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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Christopher Woods (IWD)]

On 01/02/2013 18:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

2013/2/1 Simon Poole :

issue with respect to the trademark GEOCODE owned by Geocode, Inc. of
Alexandria, Virginia, USA. There are likely to be further related edits and
changes both on the wiki and the help site. Please do not add such removed
links back or undo any such edits. If you find use of the term “geocode” on
our wiki or help site please replace it with a generic term (for example
"search"), or report it to my e-mail address.


What about replacing it with the German term "geokode" ?

I fully support what been written by colliar and joto. What comes
next? Corporation inc. registering a trademark for mapping party,
mapper or crowd-sourced?

cheers,
Martin
IMHO if they are arguing solely upon basis of the word then Geocode's 
lawyer's argument is specious. To that end, they're just trademark 
trolling in a retcon attempt to show defence of a trade mark they 
shouldn't arguably have been granted in the first place.


On what grounds do they issue the C&D against OSMF? Has it been detailed 
anywhere? I'm very curious about the contents of the issued C&D if one 
exists and I'd very much like to see the notice. (Happy to discuss by 
email with relevant people off-list).


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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2013/2/1 Simon Poole :
> issue with respect to the trademark GEOCODE owned by Geocode, Inc. of
> Alexandria, Virginia, USA. There are likely to be further related edits and
> changes both on the wiki and the help site. Please do not add such removed
> links back or undo any such edits. If you find use of the term “geocode” on
> our wiki or help site please replace it with a generic term (for example
> "search"), or report it to my e-mail address.


What about replacing it with the German term "geokode" ?

I fully support what been written by colliar and joto. What comes
next? Corporation inc. registering a trademark for mapping party,
mapper or crowd-sourced?

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Jeff Meyer]

Team -

The OSMF BoD is doing the job for which its members were elected. Thank
goodness.

There's a trademark. We've been served notice (I believe). The board has
made a decision. The chairman of the board (probably a (tm) term...) has
communicated this decision.

Fine, disagree, but please disagree with a plan for how to fund your
alternate plan, describing in detail the source of new funds or what other
OSMF activities should be de-funded to support this plan.

Yes, it sounds silly to trademark geocode, yes, it's a US-only thing, but
these issues are solved in courts, with real money for real lawyers, not
well-reasoned arguments on email threads supported by personal moral and
ethical constructs and not law.

Personally, I'm glad the OSMF BoD is taking care of this so I don't have
to. As Mr. W said, I'd rather be mapping...

- Jeff


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Manfred A. Reiter wrote:

> On 01/02/13 17:49, Richard Weait wrote:
>
>> > @andres / @cartinus, such a trade mark has been issued by USPTO
>> >
>> > http://weait.com/content/trade-mark
>> >
>> > Anyone who cares to pick up this fight with their money, is likely to be
>> > able to do so very simply.
>>
>> Oh, come on:
>>
>> "Get up, stand up..." and "I shot the sheriff" come to my mind.
>>
>> I always hear money. Is that really all that counts.
>>
>> Let us fight and win and not behave like the octopuses want us to.
>>
>
> +1
>
>
>> This would be much better publicity than we can get by connecting our
>> social
>> community with main stream social media.
>
>
> +1
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Ilya Zverev]

Hi. Regardless of that trademark business, I've checked Simon's edits 
and they mostly consist of removing links to google maps, which contain 
empty "geocode" parameter and them (and many other redundant parameters 
that editors didn't bother to omit). Some of the edits are quite funny, 
for example, 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Essex_Way&diff=prev&oldid=861689 
(removed a link to display kml with google maps).


I cannot understand why links to google maps have become prohibited in 
our wiki, but there are probably one or two meaningful edits and lots of 
what can be called vandalism. For example, cleaning "Copyright Easter 
Eggs" pages from links to mentioned easter eggs.


So, I vote for 1) reverting all those edits; 2) explaining in detail 
what is prohibited (what words, which links etc.) and what is not; 3) 
editing wiki more thoroughly, so every edit could be understood.



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Re: [OSM-talk] How to create very large jpeg from OSM file

[Robert Norris]

> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] How to create very large jpeg from OSM file 
>  
> If any of the available tile set styles are suitable, simply download  
> the tiles, at the desired zoom level, for your area of interest, stitch  
> together with a tool such as gdalmerge, outputting to a jpg, and print. 
 
This is also possible with the GUI program Viking 
(http://sourceforge.net/projects/viking).
 
Once you have downloaded map tiles for the area, use the File->Generate Image 
File option.
 
ATM This is restricted to 5000x5000, although in the next version the limits 
are substantially increased**.
 
HTH.
 
** Disclaimer - this is because I (re)wrote it.
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Manfred A. Reiter]

On 01/02/13 17:49, Richard Weait wrote:

> > @andres / @cartinus, such a trade mark has been issued by USPTO
> >
> > http://weait.com/content/trade-mark
> >
> > Anyone who cares to pick up this fight with their money, is likely to be
> > able to do so very simply.
>
> Oh, come on:
>
> "Get up, stand up..." and "I shot the sheriff" come to my mind.
>
> I always hear money. Is that really all that counts.
>
> Let us fight and win and not behave like the octopuses want us to.
>

+1


> This would be much better publicity than we can get by connecting our
> social
> community with main stream social media.


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Re: [OSM-talk] How to create very large jpeg from OSM file

[the Old Topo Depot]

If any of the available tile set styles are suitable, simply download the
tiles, at the desired zoom level, for your area of interest, stitch
together with a tool such as gdalmerge, outputting to a jpg, and print.

Best,

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 1:00 AM, Christian Quest wrote:

> Have a look at Bigmap: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bigmap
>
> It allows to collect tiles and make a large image of them.
>
>
> 2013/2/1 Tanveer Singh 
>
>> I went to the openstreetmap.org site, and the largest jpg I can export
>> is around 2000x2000
>>
>> I was wondering whether there exists a software where I can give it the
>> .osm file(downloaded from a service like cloudmade), and then create very
>> big files like 8000x8000 in size?
>>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

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> @andres / @cartinus, such a trade mark has been issued by USPTO
> 
> http://weait.com/content/trade-mark
> 
> Anyone who cares to pick up this fight with their money, is likely to be
> able to do so very simply.

Oh, come on:

"Get up, stand up..." and "I shot the sheriff" come to my mind.

I always hear money. Is that really all that counts.

Let us fight and win and not behave like the octopuses want us to.

This would be much better publicity than we can get by connecting our social
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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Christopher Woods (IWD)]

On 01/02/2013 16:52, Cartinus wrote:

Huh?

What's really touchy is the osmf being secretive about something.

If you got a letter from some lawyer, then the only way you might get
all the volunteers in this project to comply is telling them what is
happening.


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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:43:42 +0100
From: Simon Poole 
To: carti...@xs4all.nl


Cartinus

The location of both servers and organisation is irrelevant (as you
should know after something like 20 years of case law wrt providing
services over the Internet), relevant is that it could be construed that
the term was used by us (in a wide sense of the word) in the US and that
the trademark holder objects to such usage. Richard Fairhurst has said
the rest.

Please do not post this answer to the list, the issue is extremely touchy.

Simon

Am 01.02.2013 17:16, schrieb Cartinus:

Plugging "google geocode trademark issue" and several variations of it
in three different search engines didn't give any meaningful results.

So unless you can explain to us why a foundation in the UK with servers
in the UK should be bothered by a trademark conflict between two other
parties on the other side of the Atlantic I'm going to ignore the
request not to use the word geocode.

On 02/01/2013 05:06 PM, Andreas Labres wrote:

On 01.02.13 16:48, Jochen Topf wrote:

I don't think use of the English language is "merely incidental" to what we are
doing here. Can you explain why we suddenly can't use words from the English
language any more? ... And no, I don't think this is something for private 
emails.

100% agreed.

Simon, please be more elaborative on what's going on here. Without knowing US
trademark policies by heart, but "to geocode" is a generic term that cannot be
used as a trademark. One can of course use this term with regard to, e.g., the
process of transferring a postal address into geographic coordinates.


My opinion? All this is irrelevant and OSM is fine to continue using 
"geocode".


IANAL but I do work in a sector concerned with intellectual property and 
EU law; based on extensive prior art and extensive genericised usage of 
the word "geocode" any trademark of the word or phrase "geo code" or 
"geocode" is without merit and unenforceable. OSM's usage is itself a 
great example.


The USPTO has issued TMs and patents in the past that have been 
subsequently revoked or dismissed... And a US TM registration doesn't 
apply in Europe, OHIM has to issue a US TM reg. It's something we're 
actively involved with at work at the moment (contesting a registration 
and disputing a request for registration in other categories on a mark 
which we already have registered).


Checking the USPTO's TESS system just now, one registration is "GEOCODE 
GLOBAL" which is a service mark; one registration by Winfield Solutions 
is in the "published for opposition" stage so it's not been granted yet. 
It's for "Turf Seed" ("Plant growth micronutrients") so doesn't and 
cannot apply to any usage in a geospatial context.


GEOCODE GLOBAL's service mark's current registration is: Goods and 
ServicesIC 042. US 100 101. G & S: brokerage services for use in 
generating geographic information displays, namely, brokerage in the 
field of geographical information related to maps and cartography. FIRST 
USE: 20020503. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20020503


Its original registration G&S classification was  IC 009. US 021 023 026 
036 038. G & S: Computer software for computing and identifying an exact 
location and time by creating a numeric geospatial coordinate 
measurement representation used in the field of geospatial analysis. 
FIRST USE: 19990726. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 2726


That they've not contested concurrent usage of the word "geocode" in 
other contexts for over a decade establishes precedent that any future 
attempts are likely unenforceable due to them not adequately protecting 
the registration. Even if they wanted to pick a fight, it would quite 
possibly be laughed out of court.


In any matter, the plaintiff would have to come to the UK and contest 
the matter in an English court though! Where we would very politely show 
them the door, after they'd paid costs of course. ;-)


tl;dr: OSMF is fine! Just carry on as before. Any letters from lawyers 
are just scaremongering, although I'd like to see them if any exist.


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[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Cartinus]

Huh?

What's really touchy is the osmf being secretive about something.

If you got a letter from some lawyer, then the only way you might get
all the volunteers in this project to comply is telling them what is
happening.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:43:42 +0100
From: Simon Poole 
To: carti...@xs4all.nl


Cartinus

The location of both servers and organisation is irrelevant (as you
should know after something like 20 years of case law wrt providing
services over the Internet), relevant is that it could be construed that
the term was used by us (in a wide sense of the word) in the US and that
the trademark holder objects to such usage. Richard Fairhurst has said
the rest.

Please do not post this answer to the list, the issue is extremely touchy.

Simon

Am 01.02.2013 17:16, schrieb Cartinus:
> Plugging "google geocode trademark issue" and several variations of it
> in three different search engines didn't give any meaningful results.
>
> So unless you can explain to us why a foundation in the UK with servers
> in the UK should be bothered by a trademark conflict between two other
> parties on the other side of the Atlantic I'm going to ignore the
> request not to use the word geocode.
>
> On 02/01/2013 05:06 PM, Andreas Labres wrote:
>> On 01.02.13 16:48, Jochen Topf wrote:
>>> I don't think use of the English language is "merely incidental" to what we 
>>> are
>>> doing here. Can you explain why we suddenly can't use words from the English
>>> language any more? ... And no, I don't think this is something for private 
>>> emails.
>> 100% agreed.
>>
>> Simon, please be more elaborative on what's going on here. Without knowing US
>> trademark policies by heart, but "to geocode" is a generic term that cannot 
>> be
>> used as a trademark. One can of course use this term with regard to, e.g., 
>> the
>> process of transferring a postal address into geographic coordinates.
>





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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Richard Weait]

Now, I'm going mapping. :-)
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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Richard Weait]

@andres / @cartinus, such a trade mark has been issued by USPTO

http://weait.com/content/trade-mark

Anyone who cares to pick up this fight with their money, is likely to be
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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Jochen Topf]

On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 08:14:23AM -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
> Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
> > Why is Openstreetmap yielding to such blatant appropriation of 
> > the English language ?
> 
> Because we have bigger battles to fight. Let Google piss their money away on
> defending the term "geocode". If OSM has $1m to spend, which it doesn't, I'd
> rather it spent it on making the site easier to use and attracting more
> mappers, rather than throwing lawyers at a trademark troll.

There is no way to get rid of bullies but to stand up to them. That was right
in kindergarden and it is right in the real world.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Cartinus]

If you search for "geocode" in the EU trademark database[1], then you'll
find that the trademark was refused last year, with no possibility for
appeal.


[1]


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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Steve Doerr]

On 01/02/2013 16:26, Pierre Béland wrote:

It seems that the term geocode was first used in the fourtheen century 
and comes from old french. Google trademark?

See http://www.memidex.com/geocode


I think you'll find that's the word 'code', not 'geocode'.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Pierre Béland]

Should we distinguish between the service and the usage of the name geocode?

It seems that the term geocode was first used in the fourtheen century and 
comes from old french. Google trademark?
See http://www.memidex.com/geocode


 
Pierre 



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> De : Richard Fairhurst 
>À : talk@openstreetmap.org 
>Envoyé le : Vendredi 1 février 2013 11h14
>Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
> 
>Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
>> Why is Openstreetmap yielding to such blatant appropriation of 
>> the English language ?
>
>Because we have bigger battles to fight. Let Google piss their money away on
>defending the term "geocode". If OSM has $1m to spend, which it doesn't, I'd
>rather it spent it on making the site easier to use and attracting more
>mappers, rather than throwing lawyers at a trademark troll.
>
>cheers
>Richard
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Cartinus]

Plugging "google geocode trademark issue" and several variations of it
in three different search engines didn't give any meaningful results.

So unless you can explain to us why a foundation in the UK with servers
in the UK should be bothered by a trademark conflict between two other
parties on the other side of the Atlantic I'm going to ignore the
request not to use the word geocode.

On 02/01/2013 05:06 PM, Andreas Labres wrote:
> On 01.02.13 16:48, Jochen Topf wrote:
>> I don't think use of the English language is "merely incidental" to what we 
>> are
>> doing here. Can you explain why we suddenly can't use words from the English
>> language any more? ... And no, I don't think this is something for private 
>> emails.
> 
> 100% agreed.
> 
> Simon, please be more elaborative on what's going on here. Without knowing US
> trademark policies by heart, but "to geocode" is a generic term that cannot be
> used as a trademark. One can of course use this term with regard to, e.g., the
> process of transferring a postal address into geographic coordinates.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Richard Fairhurst]

Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:
> Why is Openstreetmap yielding to such blatant appropriation of 
> the English language ?

Because we have bigger battles to fight. Let Google piss their money away on
defending the term "geocode". If OSM has $1m to spend, which it doesn't, I'd
rather it spent it on making the site easier to use and attracting more
mappers, rather than throwing lawyers at a trademark troll.

cheers
Richard





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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 01/02/2013 16:22, Simon Poole wrote:

the trademark GEOCODE owned by Geocode, Inc.

If you find use of the term "geocode" on our wiki or help site please 
replace it with a generic term (for example "search")
Why is Openstreetmap yielding to such blatant appropriation of the 
English language ?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Andreas Labres]

On 01.02.13 16:48, Jochen Topf wrote:
> I don't think use of the English language is "merely incidental" to what we 
> are
> doing here. Can you explain why we suddenly can't use words from the English
> language any more? ... And no, I don't think this is something for private 
> emails.

100% agreed.

Simon, please be more elaborative on what's going on here. Without knowing US
trademark policies by heart, but "to geocode" is a generic term that cannot be
used as a trademark. One can of course use this term with regard to, e.g., the
process of transferring a postal address into geographic coordinates.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Jochen Topf]

Well, geocoding and search are different things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocoding

I don't think use of the English language is "merely incidental" to what we are
doing here. Can you explain why we suddenly can't use words from the English
language any more?

And no, I don't think this is something for private emails.

Jochen

On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 04:22:24PM +0100, Simon Poole wrote:
> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2013 16:22:24 +0100
> From: Simon Poole 
> To: openstreetmap 
> Subject: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue
> 
> Dear OSM Contributors
> 
> As you may have noticed we have removed all links displaying the Google
> geocoding service from the wiki. These changes are a consequence of a
> legal issue with respect to the trademark GEOCODE owned by Geocode, Inc.
> of Alexandria, Virginia, USA. There are likely to be further related
> edits and changes both on the wiki and the help site. Please do not add
> such removed links back or undo any such edits. If you find use of the
> term "geocode" on our wiki or help site please replace it with a generic
> term (for example "search"), or report it to my e-mail address.
> 
> Both the use of the term "geocode" and the use of the Google API are
> merely incidental to us. Doing without them does not in any way impact
> the core goals or operation of OSM.
> 
> Please address any questions on the matter to me by e-mail and not to
> the list.
> 
> Thank you
> 
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[OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue

[Simon Poole]

Dear OSM Contributors

As you may have noticed we have removed all links displaying the Google
geocoding service from the wiki. These changes are a consequence of a
legal issue with respect to the trademark GEOCODE owned by Geocode, Inc.
of Alexandria, Virginia, USA. There are likely to be further related
edits and changes both on the wiki and the help site. Please do not add
such removed links back or undo any such edits. If you find use of the
term "geocode" on our wiki or help site please replace it with a generic
term (for example "search"), or report it to my e-mail address.

Both the use of the term "geocode" and the use of the Google API are
merely incidental to us. Doing without them does not in any way impact
the core goals or operation of OSM.

Please address any questions on the matter to me by e-mail and not to
the list.

Thank you

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Re: [OSM-talk] Qualité des sources de données

[THEVENON Julien]

> De : Abba Asmaou 

Hi Abba,

I think that your message should be sent to French mailing list ( 
talk...@openstreetmap.org )
The subscription page is here :
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Re: [OSM-talk] Qualité des sources de données

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 01/02/2013 15:55, Abba Asmaou wrote:

- l'utilisation des images Bing  disponibles dans OSM ont un atout

> pédagogique, j'aimerais donc savoir si ces images ont étés
> géoréférenceés ou orthorectifiées?

Oui, mais pas formidablement bien - suffisamment bien pour l'écrasante 
majorité des usages OSM, mais ne pas les prendre pour argent comptant en 
particulier dans les zones escarpées.


> -Concernant les GPS, j'ai un Garmin etrex 10, la ville que j'aimerais
> cartographier ne possède pas trop d'immeuble et quand il y'en a c'est
> maximum 3 niveaux. quel type de précision je pourrais avoir dans ce
> cas?

Le meilleur moyen de le savoir est de tester en utilisant un point de 
référence réputé précis - un repère géodésique par exemple. Apparemment 
le Cameroun est en train de se doter d'un nouveau réseau géodésique - 
mais j'ignore son statut.


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[OSM-talk] Qualité des sources de données

[Abba Asmaou]

Bonjour,
Je suis étudiante en master 2 SIG et Télédétection et j'aimerais contribuer
à OSM dans ma région au nord du Cameroun en faisant ressortir de cela un
projet de fin d'étude.
Concernant les sources de données je me pose des questions et j'aimerais
avoir plus d'infos:
- l'utilisation des images Bing disponibles dans OSM ont un atout
pédagogique,
j'aimerais donc savoir si ces images ont étés géoréférenceés ou
orthorectifiées?

-Concernant les GPS, j'ai un Garmin etrex 10, la ville que j'aimerais
cartographier ne possède pas trop d'immeuble et
quand il y'en a c'est maximum 3 niveaux. quel type de précision je pourrais
avoir dans ce cas?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Which renderer for high quality, printed cycle map?

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 01/02/2013 14:56, Václav Řehák wrote:
We ("Prague by bike" bicycle advocacy group) have created a mapnik 
based style for online cycle map [1]. It shows different surface type 
(e.g. squared texture for cobblestones) [..] http://mapa.prahounakole.cz
Nice and useful use of texturing - I like it a lot, especially as a 
roller-skater : no other map style I know makes the dreaded cobblestones 
so discreetly obvious.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Which renderer for high quality, printed cycle map?

[Václav Řehák]

2013/1/31 Steve Bennett :
> Hi all,
>   We'd like to produce a high quality bike map, to be printed. I'm
> looking at the various renderers and wondering if anyone has a
> recommendation?

I don't have a recommendation for particular renderer, but if you'd
like to get inspiration for the actual style, we ("Prague by bike"
bicycle advocacy group) have created a mapnik based style for online
cycle map [1]. It shows different surface type (e.g. squared texture
for cobblestones), cycle route relations are displayed with varying
line style depending on the surface quality (solid vs. dashed) and
lighter colour for primary highways and darker for tertiary highways
or separated cycleways. The map legend [2] is in Czech only but Google
translate deals with it ok. The style itself is available on Github
[3]

Vaclav

[1] http://mapa.prahounakole.cz
[2] http://prahounakole.cz/kudy-po-praze/mapa/legenda/
[3] https://github.com/auto-mat/rendering-PNK-ZM/tree/master/Devel/mapnik

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Re: [OSM-talk] How to create very large jpeg from OSM file

[Christian Quest]

Have a look at Bigmap: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bigmap

It allows to collect tiles and make a large image of them.


2013/2/1 Tanveer Singh 

> I went to the openstreetmap.org site, and the largest jpg I can export is
> around 2000x2000
>
> I was wondering whether there exists a software where I can give it the
> .osm file(downloaded from a service like cloudmade), and then create very
> big files like 8000x8000 in size?
>


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[OSM-talk] How to create very large jpeg from OSM file

[Tanveer Singh]

I went to the openstreetmap.org site, and the largest jpg I can export is
around 2000x2000

I was wondering whether there exists a software where I can give it the
.osm file(downloaded from a service like cloudmade), and then create very
big files like 8000x8000 in size?
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