Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

2016-09-01 Thread Jochen Topf 
On Do, Sep 01, 2016 at 08:21:39 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> On Thursday, 1 September 2016, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> 
> > On Do, Sep 01, 2016 at 12:42:10 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> > > We have currently a Map Features page on the wiki:
> > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features
> > >
> > > The page also contains definitions for all features. We therefore
> > > store the definitions now in two places: in the map features tables
> > > and in the infoboxes on the pages themselves.
> > >
> >
> > See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Taginfo/Taglists . This "just"
> > needs some people going through every tag list in the wiki and replacing
> > it by the special syntax. The problem ist, as you say, the differing
> > descriptions and such, which need to be consolidated in the process.
> 
> 
> Great, that's exactly what I needed. Will see what we can do with that.

And feel free to tell me if you need anything more or different. What it
does at the moment is what I thought might be useful and doable. That
doesn't mean this is the best solution.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

2016-09-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen 
On 1 September 2016 at 09:01, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> And feel free to tell me if you need anything more or different. What it
> does at the moment is what I thought might be useful and doable. That
> doesn't mean this is the best solution.

As a firs step, I included the list here on the Geological map features page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geological
it seems to work well there.

The only thing not working are the image links, which are currently broken.

On a bit longer term, would it be an idea to add a field for
'rendering' (in the default stylesheet) to the infobox, and include it
on taginfo? I know the 'default' stylesheet is just one of the
stylesheets, and therefore the choice a bit arbitrary, but if the list
has icons, like on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop, it does
make it easier to browse through for me.

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[OSM-talk] postGIS planet database pgsnapshot dump

2016-09-01 Thread Badita Florin 
Hi all, for over 4 years, my dream is to load the whole planet file via
osmosis and do statistics with it.

After i load it i want to give to the planet some SQL love

and
do some planet wide statistics, instead on running one query for USA, one
for Canada, one for South America, etc etc.

1 Planet, 1 world.

The last time i had tried this i had waited for 7 days for the planet to be
imported before something crashed and burned.

I am sure that somebody already have the full planet file loaded via
osmosis and that it could generate a database dump

This database dump, that will be in the order of 500GB-1TB will be perfect,
because it can be imported.
Then, maybe i have to wait a day or two to generate the indexes.

But i least have the planet in one place.
And i can update the map every week or so.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

2016-09-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen 
On 1 September 2016 at 10:01, Matthijs Melissen
 wrote:
> As a firs step, I included the list here on the Geological map features page:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geological
> it seems to work well there.

As there are some problems with the translations of the pages, this
has now been reverted.

However, a demo can be found here:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Math1985/Test

-- Matthijs

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Re: [OSM-talk] Analysis of usage of similar tags over time

2016-09-01 Thread Éric Gillet 
2016-09-01 8:16 GMT+02:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev :

> Could it be that there are only 104000 ATMs mapped in the whole world? I
> mean, - is it really the data from the OSM database?
>

You can see on taginfo that there are indeed around 104k ATM on OSM :
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=atm
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Re: [OSM-talk] Analysis of usage of similar tags over time

2016-09-01 Thread Mike N 

On 9/1/2016 6:04 AM, Éric Gillet wrote:


You can see on taginfo that there are indeed around 104k ATM on OSM
: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=atm


Also 222000+ combined with amenity=bank as atm=yes , (a small % of those 
are atm=no)


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[OSM-talk] atm property for banks was: Re: Analysis of usage of similar tags over time

2016-09-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 


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Il giorno 01 set 2016, alle ore 12:43, Mike N  ha scritto:

>> You can see on taginfo that there are indeed around 104k ATM on OSM
>> : http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=atm
> 
> Also 222000+ combined with amenity=bank as atm=yes , (a small % of those are 
> atm=no)


btw.: how do you deal with these when the atm is mapped explicitly as well? One 
could see the atm=yes tag as a property of the bank and still map its actual 
position with amenity=atm, but mostly where I have been to, people do either or.

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Analysis of usage of similar tags over time

2016-09-01 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev 

On 01.09.2016 12:43, Mike N wrote:

On 9/1/2016 6:04 AM, Éric Gillet wrote:


You can see on taginfo that there are indeed around 104k ATM on OSM
: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=atm


Also 222000+ combined with amenity=bank as atm=yes , (a small % of 
those are atm=no)



Thank you for pointing that out. 222K+ (amenity=atm & atm=yes) sounds 
about right.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

2016-09-01 Thread Jochen Topf 
On Do, Sep 01, 2016 at 10:01:16 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> As a firs step, I included the list here on the Geological map features page:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geological
> it seems to work well there.
> 
> The only thing not working are the image links, which are currently broken.

This is now fixed. Images work again.

Jochen
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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

2016-09-01 Thread Jochen Topf 
Hi!

On Do, Sep 01, 2016 at 10:01:16 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> On a bit longer term, would it be an idea to add a field for
> 'rendering' (in the default stylesheet) to the infobox, and include it
> on taginfo? I know the 'default' stylesheet is just one of the
> stylesheets, and therefore the choice a bit arbitrary, but if the list
> has icons, like on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Shop, it does
> make it easier to browse through for me.

This is a good idea. Historically the "Rendering" images on the Map
Features page were often very bad and not well maintained. But looking
at it now, it looks quite good, especially for POIs.

So, if somebody adds the rendering to the infobox (and tells me about it),
I'll pull that data from taginfo and can put it in the taglist tables.

Jochen
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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

2016-09-01 Thread Jochen Topf 
On Do, Sep 01, 2016 at 10:42:54 +0200, Matthijs Melissen wrote:
> On 1 September 2016 at 10:01, Matthijs Melissen
>  wrote:
> > As a firs step, I included the list here on the Geological map features 
> > page:
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geological
> > it seems to work well there.
> 
> As there are some problems with the translations of the pages, this
> has now been reverted.

What are the problems with translations?

Jochen
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Re: [OSM-talk] Analysis of usage of similar tags over time

2016-09-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 
2016-09-01 14:28 GMT+02:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev :

> Thank you for pointing that out. 222K+ (amenity=atm & atm=yes) sounds
> about right.



some of these might describe the same atm (and some might represent more
than one physical machine).
See also:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2016-September/076740.html

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Map features page on wiki

2016-09-01 Thread Matthijs Melissen 
On 1 September 2016 at 15:05, Jochen Topf  wrote:
> What are the problems with translations?

I didn't realise the non-English Map Features templates include the
English Map Features template. Nothing we can't fix, but simply
putting TagLists in the English Template:Map_Features:XXX pages won't
work and will break the non-English pages.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Artwork problems

2016-09-01 Thread Daniel Koć 

W dniu 31.08.2016 13:04, Janko Mihelić napisał(a):

čet, 25. kol 2016. u 15:30 Daniel Koć  napisao je:


I've also noticed that the line between artworks and memorials is
blurred, especially with statues


In my opinion, we can use both tags. If something is a sculpture, add
tourism=artwork+artwork_type=sculpture. If it is a sculpture whose
main purpose is to remind us of a person or an event, add
historic=memorial.

About the icon, I think we should add a new key, something like
sculpture_shape. It could have countless values, and only the most
frequent would have their unique icon. Values would be: human, child,
human_sitting, human_standing, human_on_horse, bust, horse, dog,
abstract. Those account for about 95% of sculptures. Others get the
default icon. Having an approximate shape of a sculpture on a map
helps a lot with orientation in space.


Both tags are somewhat overlapping and historic=memorial already has 
some types:


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:memorial:type
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:memorial

There are 3 equivalents of a common case (memorial in the form of 
statue):

- historic=memorial + memorial:type=statue
- historic=memorial + memorial=statue
- historic=memorial + tourism=artwork + artwork_type=statue

Which one should we use as canonical form?

How do we know when "main purpose is to remind us of a person or an 
event" or is just decorative?


Where the sculpture_shape really belongs to? Is it somehow like 
http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/artwork_subject#values ? It sounds 
like artwork_type=sculpture + sculpture_shape=*, but what about statue? 
Do we need another type like artwork_type=statue + statue_shape=*?


But this is rather subject for a Tagging list - let's move there.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Artwork problems

2016-09-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer 


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> Il giorno 02 set 2016, alle ore 00:35, Daniel Koć  ha scritto:
> 
> How do we know when "main purpose is to remind us of a person or an event" or 
> is just decorative


actually, if it's just decorative, it's not art ;-)

cheers,
Martin 
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