[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #322 09/13/2016-09/19/2016
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 322, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/8125/ Enjoy! weeklyOSM is brought to you by ... https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Languages ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Planned water color change on osm-carto
W dniu 22.09.2016 19:48, Pierre Béland napisał(a): That lengthy discussion mentions that contrast is not high enough with surrounding forest. The question is Should we modify lake or forest color? This was just a starting point, which pushed me to think about the bigger problem. I simply dislike current water color on osm-carto and find it to be a source of some visibility problems. I've also noticed that nobody in our lengthy discussion even defended this color, so I guess it's not only me... In forestry areas like north of Norway and Canada, it is difficult to find features unless you know where they are and zoom-in enough. I have edited a lot in north of Quebec, Canada and often observe this. It's hard, and probably impossible, to make good universal map of the whole world. Especially trying to satisfy our set of goals: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/blob/master/CARTOGRAPHY.md#purposes So we try to make this style at least decent, as much as it's possible. But what works in the big city, might be simply annoying in remote forest land - and vice versa. Some kind of detecting environment context (like residential/outdoor) would be useful, but we still don't know how to do it in practice: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1957 However that would let us render all the features earlier/more strong in Norway or Canada forest. Another approach - and it's perfectly doable now - might be different rendering forest on lower zoom levels, like here: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2194#issuecomment-239697958 But maybe just changing the forest colors would work - who knows? If you have some propositions, just let us know. -- "To co ludzie zwą marskością wątroby/ Tak naprawdę jest śmiercią z tęsknoty" [Afro Kolektyw] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Planned water color change on osm-carto
W dniu 22.09.2016 20:55, Christoph Hormann napisał(a): Note there is also the suggestion for a more discerning change in the way water features are rendered by showing different types of waterbodies in different colors. I was not sure what do you think about it after my answer, since there was no response: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1781#issuecomment-243930021 So - we still have two different approaches to the subject, but they are rather variations, not contradictory statements. It looks like we have at least agreed on the color (one of three in your version, two other are also close) and it's very important to me. I still prefer my way, but I would be still happy if yours would be accepted. The code of the Christoph's (more sophisticated) version is here: https://github.com/imagico/openstreetmap-carto/tree/water-colors2 -- "To co ludzie zwą marskością wątroby/ Tak naprawdę jest śmiercią z tęsknoty" [Afro Kolektyw] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Planned water color change on osm-carto
On Thursday 22 September 2016, Daniel Koć wrote: > > I want to change the water color on default OSM map layer (osm-carto > style) and wile the code itself is very simple: > [...] Note there is also the suggestion for a more discerning change in the way water features are rendered by showing different types of waterbodies in different colors. The main goal of this idea would be to address the problem of poor visibility of rivers and streams in many situations, in particular in areas with detailed and differentiated landuse mapping - both in urban and rural contexts. Doing so with a single water color would lead to an overly dominating appearance of large water surfaces, i.e. the ocean and lakes. By using different tones for different types of water features the individual colors can be more specifically adjusted without the need to compromise between a lot of different requirements. A secondary goal of such a change would be to show the different types of water features we have in OSM in the map and this way encourage correct tagging. Implementing this requires a number of other changes so is somewhat more complex but ultimately these changes are desirable for other reasons anyway. Some more background information and a link to an implementation of this idea can be found on https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1781#issuecomment-241061156 -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Planned water color change on osm-carto
That lengthy discussion mentions that contrast is not high enough with surrounding forest. The question is Should we modify lake or forest color? In forestry areas like north of Norway and Canada, it is difficult to find features unless you know where they are and zoom-in enough. I have edited a lot in north of Quebec, Canada and often observe this. A better color balance would be obtained betwee lakes and forests, plus it would be easier to spot features and text if the forest color was lighter and the forest icons were less predominant. North of Canada, forests and lakes are predominant. These are large areas where it is difficult to spot features. We need a balance with both lakes, forests and other features. Pierre De : Daniel Koć À : talk@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : jeudi 22 Septembre 2016 11h14 Objet : [OSM-talk] Planned water color change on osm-carto Hi, I want to change the water color on default OSM map layer (osm-carto style) and wile the code itself is very simple: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/compare/master...kocio-pl:water the water is so important map feature, that I want to test it as wide as possible. So if you know some places where there's a water problem currently or which is perfect now and you are worry that it can be worse, drop a line with URL, so I can test it. I want to focus on water color to avoid solving too many problems at once and hit the rendering servers one day, but other water related issues may be discussed separately. You can also look at a lengthy discussion about water color here: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1781 -- "To co ludzie zwą marskością wątroby/ Tak naprawdę jest śmiercią z tęsknoty" [Afro Kolektyw] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Brussels public transport info
On 22 September 2016 at 05:00, Jo wrote: [big snip] > It's a mess. The route planners do work to give you the best connections, > but tarification is opaque. Please add your excellent, detailed answer to the existing info on Wikivoyage: https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Brussels so that others may find and benefit from it. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Planned water color change on osm-carto
Hi, I want to change the water color on default OSM map layer (osm-carto style) and wile the code itself is very simple: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/compare/master...kocio-pl:water the water is so important map feature, that I want to test it as wide as possible. So if you know some places where there's a water problem currently or which is perfect now and you are worry that it can be worse, drop a line with URL, so I can test it. I want to focus on water color to avoid solving too many problems at once and hit the rendering servers one day, but other water related issues may be discussed separately. You can also look at a lengthy discussion about water color here: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1781 -- "To co ludzie zwą marskością wątroby/ Tak naprawdę jest śmiercią z tęsknoty" [Afro Kolektyw] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Brussels public transport info
A bicycle is indeed very convenient (in combination with OSMAND). Cycling in Brussels was a crazy thing to do 20 years ago, but things have improved for the better. The terrain goes up and down though, so be prepared for some uphill. Polyglot 2016-09-22 11:36 GMT+02:00 Rafael Avila Coya : > To move around Brussels, you can also use the Villo! bicycle network [1]. > You can get a ticket for a day or a week. Very cheap [2], and it's working > very well for me. > > To buy a card, you can do it at any Villo! station. > > I am usin AllBikesNow [3] android app to check nearest bicycle stations. > > Cheers, > > Rafael. > > [1] http://en.villo.be/ > > [2] http://en.villo.be/Rates/Rates/Consult-the-rates > > [3] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jcdecaux.a > llbikesnow&hl=nl > > > On 22/09/16 07:59, Stephan Knauss wrote: > >> On 22.09.2016 06:00, Jo wrote: >> >>> The reason for the extra fee on top of STIB/MIVB tickets is that they >>> operate in Brussels, but the airport is 'out of their normal reach', >>> over in Flanders. >>> >> >> They could state it clearer that the airport is outside the network. >> Thanks for the explanation. >> >> The cheapest (€3) way to get from the airport to Brussels is using De >>> Lijn 272, 471, BUT that will take about an hour to get to the wrong side >>> of the city. The terminus at North Station is not the VUB campus. >>> >> Perfect for me as I will arrive in the evening and have a hotel in that >> area. Thanks again. >> >> From there to the VUB campus sounds easy again as it is all within the >> city, so all transports are available. >> >> Stephan >> >> >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM Brussels public transport info
To move around Brussels, you can also use the Villo! bicycle network [1]. You can get a ticket for a day or a week. Very cheap [2], and it's working very well for me. To buy a card, you can do it at any Villo! station. I am usin AllBikesNow [3] android app to check nearest bicycle stations. Cheers, Rafael. [1] http://en.villo.be/ [2] http://en.villo.be/Rates/Rates/Consult-the-rates [3] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jcdecaux.allbikesnow&hl=nl On 22/09/16 07:59, Stephan Knauss wrote: On 22.09.2016 06:00, Jo wrote: The reason for the extra fee on top of STIB/MIVB tickets is that they operate in Brussels, but the airport is 'out of their normal reach', over in Flanders. They could state it clearer that the airport is outside the network. Thanks for the explanation. The cheapest (€3) way to get from the airport to Brussels is using De Lijn 272, 471, BUT that will take about an hour to get to the wrong side of the city. The terminus at North Station is not the VUB campus. Perfect for me as I will arrive in the evening and have a hotel in that area. Thanks again. From there to the VUB campus sounds easy again as it is all within the city, so all transports are available. Stephan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
