Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[Cédric MOULLET]

Yes, we have adapted that.
Cédric

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Emilie Laffray wrote:

>
>
> On 30 March 2010 16:13, Richard Weait  wrote:
>
>> 2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET :
>> > Hi,
>> > It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of
>> > individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see
>> press
>> > release:
>> >
>> http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management
>> ).
>> > But, I still can answer.
>>
>> Dear Cédric,
>>
>> OpenAdresses is an interesting idea as a simpler interface for address
>> data.  The intent to synchronize the data with OSM makes sense.
>>
>> The current situation with OSM data cc-by-sa and OpenAddresses data
>> cc-by seems broken.  Shouldn't the licenses be synchronized so that
>> the data can be synchronized?
>>
>> OpenAddresses is failing the share-alike obligation.  Do you
>> understand that some will see that as a serious problem.  This issue
>> will persist when OSM upgrades to the ODbL license.
>>
>> Can you bring this problem to the attention of the OpenAddresses
>> community and resolve it?
>>
>>
> Hello,
>
> Cedric has replied on the French mailing list. He is aware of the licence
> issue and he is going to be changing the licence to be compatible with OSM.
> I am sure it will happen very soon as he is very responsive.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com]

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Richard Weait  wrote:
> 2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET :
> OpenAddresses is failing the share-alike obligation.  Do you
> understand that some will see that as a serious problem.  This issue
> will persist when OSM upgrades to the ODbL license.

That is basically like taking gpled code(sharealike) and reusing it in
a BSD project (attribution)
people have been roasted for less.

mike

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Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[Emilie Laffray]

On 30 March 2010 16:13, Richard Weait  wrote:

> 2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET :
> > Hi,
> > It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of
> > individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see press
> > release:
> >
> http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management
> ).
> > But, I still can answer.
>
> Dear Cédric,
>
> OpenAdresses is an interesting idea as a simpler interface for address
> data.  The intent to synchronize the data with OSM makes sense.
>
> The current situation with OSM data cc-by-sa and OpenAddresses data
> cc-by seems broken.  Shouldn't the licenses be synchronized so that
> the data can be synchronized?
>
> OpenAddresses is failing the share-alike obligation.  Do you
> understand that some will see that as a serious problem.  This issue
> will persist when OSM upgrades to the ODbL license.
>
> Can you bring this problem to the attention of the OpenAddresses
> community and resolve it?
>
>
Hello,

Cedric has replied on the French mailing list. He is aware of the licence
issue and he is going to be changing the licence to be compatible with OSM.
I am sure it will happen very soon as he is very responsive.

Emilie Laffray
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Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[Richard Weait]

2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET :
> Hi,
> It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of
> individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see press
> release:
> http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management).
> But, I still can answer.

Dear Cédric,

OpenAdresses is an interesting idea as a simpler interface for address
data.  The intent to synchronize the data with OSM makes sense.

The current situation with OSM data cc-by-sa and OpenAddresses data
cc-by seems broken.  Shouldn't the licenses be synchronized so that
the data can be synchronized?

OpenAddresses is failing the share-alike obligation.  Do you
understand that some will see that as a serious problem.  This issue
will persist when OSM upgrades to the ODbL license.

Can you bring this problem to the attention of the OpenAddresses
community and resolve it?

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Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[Jukka Rahkonen]

Cédric MOULLET  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> 
> Dear OSM community,
> 
> After www.openaddresses.ch and www.openaddresses.at, www.openaddresses.org has
been launched to collect worldwide localized addresses.

The Mapfish application is a pleasure to use and the threshold to start adding
data is low because of fixed schema for attributes and because there is no
registration needed. There are for sure people who will find something negative
from each of these aspects.

-Jukka Rahkonen-




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Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[andrzej zaborowski]

2010/3/30 Shaun McDonald :
> Why not use OAuth to enter the data straight back into OSM?

This would make sense, but I can see a couple of small technical
issues that would need to be solved:

* They don't have addr:interpolations and just show the end nodes of
an addr:interpolation.  When someone deletes one end on that site,
they'd get a conflict.
* The city field is obligatory why I believe OSM chose to use the
admin boundaries for that.  So maybe the site should use admin
bounndaries too, and only save the "city" field's value when it's
different from that derived from the boundaries.  Maybe this would
prevent people on their site adding the city name to all addresses
I've tagged in my city.  I like how the maxspeed map uses the
boundaries.

On the other hand maybe they should have a field for "parish",
"county", "province" that an address is in, so like flickr it would be
possible to derive missing boundaries from entered data.

Can you relicense a CC-BY-SA 2 content so that it cannot be imported
back?  I thought the SA would prevent any such trick.

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Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com]

I found this mentioned on legal, the data that is added to
openaddresses is with a different license than osm,
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

I guess that they are dropping the sharealike clause on the data they
import, this is questionable. If the data I contribute to osm is
sharealike, how can  they just drop the clause of that?

mike


On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:57 AM, maning sambale
 wrote:
> Do all addresses added here are also added in OSM? How often is it updated?
>
> 2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET :
>> Hi,
>> It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of
>> individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see press
>> release:
>> http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management).
>> But, I still can answer.
>>
>> First of all, the goal is to synchronize data with OSM, so at the end, we
>> should find the same data in OA and OSM, but, OA also aims to provide
>> services (http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService).
>> OA has also a geocoder in its roadmap, so It would be fantastic to
>> collaborate with Mike's project.
>>
>> Hope this gives some valuable information,
>> Thanks for your interest,
>> Cédric
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:35 AM, John Smith 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2010/3/30 Shaun McDonald :
>>> > Why not use OAuth to enter the data straight back into OSM?
>>>
>>> Dunno about Cédric's project, but the basis of Mike's project was a
>>> repository of street addresses we don't have lat/lon for, but we have
>>> street addresses for things like POIs...
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[maning sambale]

Do all addresses added here are also added in OSM? How often is it updated?

2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET :
> Hi,
> It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of
> individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see press
> release:
> http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management).
> But, I still can answer.
>
> First of all, the goal is to synchronize data with OSM, so at the end, we
> should find the same data in OA and OSM, but, OA also aims to provide
> services (http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService).
> OA has also a geocoder in its roadmap, so It would be fantastic to
> collaborate with Mike's project.
>
> Hope this gives some valuable information,
> Thanks for your interest,
> Cédric
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:35 AM, John Smith 
> wrote:
>>
>> 2010/3/30 Shaun McDonald :
>> > Why not use OAuth to enter the data straight back into OSM?
>>
>> Dunno about Cédric's project, but the basis of Mike's project was a
>> repository of street addresses we don't have lat/lon for, but we have
>> street addresses for things like POIs...
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[Gaz Davidson]

2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET :
> Don't hesitate to add your own address, the address of your friends and of
> the friends of your friends ;-)

I'm sure that everyone on this list has already done this in OSM... I
hope you'll be using that data, my fingers are sore from typing so
many postcodes into OSM, FreeThePostCode and PostcodeDB!

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Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[Cédric MOULLET]

Hi,
It's not Cédric's project, but the project of a community (composed of
individuals, companies and universities) initiated in 2007 ;-) (see press
release:
http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/Release_BETA_PressRelease#EN:_OpenAddresses_.org,_a_community_web_site_for_the_management).
But, I still can answer.

First of all, the goal is to synchronize data with OSM, so at the end, we
should find the same data in OA and OSM, but, OA also aims to provide
services (http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService).
OA has also a geocoder in its roadmap, so It would be fantastic to
collaborate with Mike's project.

Hope this gives some valuable information,
Thanks for your interest,
Cédric


On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:35 AM, John Smith wrote:

> 2010/3/30 Shaun McDonald :
> > Why not use OAuth to enter the data straight back into OSM?
>
> Dunno about Cédric's project, but the basis of Mike's project was a
> repository of street addresses we don't have lat/lon for, but we have
> street addresses for things like POIs...
>



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Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[John Smith]

2010/3/30 Shaun McDonald :
> Why not use OAuth to enter the data straight back into OSM?

Dunno about Cédric's project, but the basis of Mike's project was a
repository of street addresses we don't have lat/lon for, but we have
street addresses for things like POIs...

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Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[Shaun McDonald]

Why not use OAuth to enter the data straight back into OSM?

Shaun

On 30 Mar 2010, at 05:05, Cédric MOULLET wrote:

> Dear OSM community,
> After www.openaddresses.ch and www.openaddresses.at, www.openaddresses.org 
> has been launched to collect worldwide localized addresses. This initiative 
> of several people, universities and companies of central Europe aims to 
> provide a web portail for the management of free and open geolocated 
> addresses. 
> 
> One goal of www.openaddresses.org is to collaborate nicely with 
> www.openstreetmap.org by exchanging data and providing additional services 
> (http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService). However, since 
> localized addresses are very specific, we consider that it is appropriate to 
> have a dedicated platform only for addresses. From the original projects, the 
> data collected base on Google map has simply be removed in order to avoid any 
> license issues.
> 
> Don't hesitate to add your own address, the address of your friends and of 
> the friends of your friends ;-) If you'd like to be part of this effort, you 
> can also provide address listing, orthophoto or whatever data that can be 
> useful. We are also looking for persons willing to participate to the 
> development, the translation, the system administration, the testing, the 
> communication and so on ...
> 
> You'll find more information in the following documents:
> 
> Frequently asked questions
> User guide
> Wiki
> Discussion group
> Thanks for your interest.
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com]

Hey,
Nice idea, I have been working on something similar,
http://github.com/h4ck3rm1k3/OAD-Open-Address-Database
But with the goal of geocoding table data into osm.
mike


2010/3/30 Cédric MOULLET :
> Dear OSM community,
>
> After www.openaddresses.ch and
> www.openaddresses.at, www.openaddresses.org has been launched to collect
> worldwide localized addresses. This initiative of several people,
> universities and companies of central Europe aims to provide a web portail
> for the management of free and open geolocated addresses.
>
> One goal of www.openaddresses.org is to collaborate nicely with
> www.openstreetmap.org by exchanging data and providing additional services
> (http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService). However, since
> localized addresses are very specific, we consider that it is appropriate to
> have a dedicated platform only for addresses. From the original projects,
> the data collected base on Google map has simply be removed in order to
> avoid any license issues.
>
> Don't hesitate to add your own address, the address of your friends and of
> the friends of your friends ;-) If you'd like to be part of this effort, you
> can also provide address listing, orthophoto or whatever data that can be
> useful. We are also looking for persons willing to participate to the
> development, the translation, the system administration, the testing, the
> communication and so on ...
>
> You'll find more information in the following documents:
>
> Frequently asked questions
> User guide
> Wiki
> Discussion group
>
> Thanks for your interest.
>
> For OpenAddresses, Cédric Moullet
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[OSM-talk] www.openaddresses.org BETA launched

[Cédric MOULLET]

Dear OSM community,

After www.openaddresses.ch and www.openaddresses.at, www.openaddresses.org has
been launched to collect worldwide localized addresses. This initiative of
several people, universities and companies of central Europe aims to provide
a web portail for the management of free and open geolocated addresses.

One goal of www.openaddresses.org is to collaborate nicely with
www.openstreetmap.org by exchanging data and providing additional services (
http://code.google.com/p/openaddresses/wiki/RESTService). However, since
localized addresses are very specific, we consider that it is appropriate to
have a dedicated platform only for addresses. From the original projects,
the data collected base on Google map has simply be removed in order to
avoid any license issues.

Don't hesitate to add your own address, the address of your friends and of
the friends of your friends ;-) If you'd like to be part of this effort, you
can also provide address listing, orthophoto or whatever data that can be
useful. We are also looking for persons willing to participate to the
development, the translation, the system administration, the testing, the
communication and so on ...

You'll find more information in the following documents:

   - Frequently asked
questions
   - User guide 
   - Wiki 
   - Discussion group 

Thanks for your interest.

For OpenAddresses, Cédric Moullet
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