Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
Hjart writes: > > Do not map what you have not seen. > > That's one rule I've never seen. Obviously, you had to be there. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 08:55 -0500, David Fawcett wrote: > Come on, almost all of us have been to Haiti! Good thing that we were > able to leverage that following the earthquake... > > every rule has exceptions. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
Parveen, See this thread on this list from February 3 2011. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-February/056310.html Steve Coast announced the following. http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx I don't know how finished it is. Stephen On 16 August 2011 03:12, Parveen Arora wrote: > > But If he can have any Image Processing tool using by using which we > can directly have maps over the area where there is not even any > single point. > > Please let me know If anyone working on this? > > > Thank You. > > > -- > Parveen Arora > www.parveenarora.in > E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Stephan Knauss wrote: > He uploaded GPS tracks that are tagged with "Ballia Substation Darbhanga", > others with "Varanasi". > As I never heard of these before I checked wikipedia which told me this is > located in India. > > So I can only guess that this user feels "connected" to India and tries to > improve OSM there. I have got reply from that user, and he told me that he don't use any software or image processing tool. He lived in India for a long time and now is in germany. He found my city which have population more than one million having a poor quality map, except my village So He Mapped it. and he used imaginary to map the area. Thanks to clearing all my doubts, But If he can have any Image Processing tool using by using which we can directly have maps over the area where there is not even any single point. Please let me know If anyone working on this? Thank You. -- Parveen Arora www.parveenarora.in E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
Come on, almost all of us have been to Haiti! Good thing that we were able to leverage that following the earthquake... On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Hjart wrote: > Mandag den 15. august 2011 13:07:13 skrev kenneth gonsalves: >> On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 18:34 +0800, maning sambale wrote: >> > > better to have no data than to have wrong data. >> > >> > Incomplete data is not necessarily wrong data. That's why we have >> > tags for that (i.e. highway=road) >> > >> > AFAIK, we only have a few rules here: >> > 1. Don't copy from other (possibly copyrighted) maps. >> > 2. Respect the work of others. >> > 3. Have fun! >> > >> > So please don't add more rules that overcomplicate things. >> >> I thought there was one more: >> >> Do not map what you have not seen. > > That's one rule I've never seen. > >> >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- > Happy mapping > Hjart > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
Mandag den 15. august 2011 13:07:13 skrev kenneth gonsalves: > On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 18:34 +0800, maning sambale wrote: > > > better to have no data than to have wrong data. > > > > Incomplete data is not necessarily wrong data. That's why we have > > tags for that (i.e. highway=road) > > > > AFAIK, we only have a few rules here: > > 1. Don't copy from other (possibly copyrighted) maps. > > 2. Respect the work of others. > > 3. Have fun! > > > > So please don't add more rules that overcomplicate things. > > I thought there was one more: > > Do not map what you have not seen. That's one rule I've never seen. > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Happy mapping Hjart ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 18:34 +0800, maning sambale wrote: > > better to have no data than to have wrong data. > Incomplete data is not necessarily wrong data. That's why we have > tags for that (i.e. highway=road) > > AFAIK, we only have a few rules here: > 1. Don't copy from other (possibly copyrighted) maps. > 2. Respect the work of others. > 3. Have fun! > > So please don't add more rules that overcomplicate things. I thought there was one more: Do not map what you have not seen. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
> better to have no data than to have wrong data. Incomplete data is not necessarily wrong data. That's why we have tags for that (i.e. highway=road) AFAIK, we only have a few rules here: 1. Don't copy from other (possibly copyrighted) maps. 2. Respect the work of others. 3. Have fun! So please don't add more rules that overcomplicate things. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:57 +0800, maning sambale wrote: > In our patch in OSM, we have very few mappers. Sometimes, we do some > initial road stubbing and then organize a trip to verify what was > initially traced. During those trips we try as much as we can to talk > to locals on how they can improve what was started. better to have no data than to have wrong data. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
-1 on the blanket ban on remote mapping. In our patch in OSM, we have very few mappers. Sometimes, we do some initial road stubbing and then organize a trip to verify what was initially traced. During those trips we try as much as we can to talk to locals on how they can improve what was started. At the very least, remote mappers should talk to the local osm community if he/she intends to do armchair/remote mapping. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:44 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: > remote mapping by people who have not seen the ground is a big nuisance and > should be discouraged. -- cheers, maning -- "Freedom is still the most radical idea of all" -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 16:14 +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: > > If it is good to have such remote mapping or bad depends on how the > > people "on the ground" react. Adding a whole street including > geometry > > is imho a lot more rewarding then just entering street names. > > Agreed. > > I seem to remember comments on this list previously saying that in at > least some areas in India the Bing imagery is a bit out of date. > I've > no idea if that is the case for Jalandhar, but if I was going to map > there remotely I'd probably try and ping a message to any local > mappers > via a local talk list first (which, of course, may already have > happened). remote mapping by people who have not seen the ground is a big nuisance and should be discouraged. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
The text on his user page: schreibt ruhig! Ich beiße nicht! :-) means: You can write me without worrying I won't bite! :-) Maybe he used a plugin of JOSM which makes it easy to create a 'grid' very quickly. Polyglot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On 14.08.2011 20:49, Parveen Arora wrote: Yes It can be possible, but still I am suspicious about it, that why any one from any other country will map this city. I have also noticed some more cities with similar type of mappings in a very short time. He uploaded GPS tracks that are tagged with "Ballia Substation Darbhanga", others with "Varanasi". As I never heard of these before I checked wikipedia which told me this is located in India. So I can only guess that this user feels "connected" to India and tries to improve OSM there. "Armchair mapper" refers to people mapping from the comfort of their living room without actually going outside. Can be used in a neutral as well as in an offensive way. Refer to Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armchair "Armchair, a pejorative modifier to refer to a person who experiences something vicariously rather than first-hand, or to a casual critic who lacks practical experience, in phrases such as armchair revolutionary, armchair general, armchair quarterback, armchair architect, armchair warrior, and so on." There are two lines written on his user page which are in german language. So he can be from german. It's reading you can send a message he won't bite. Stephan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote: > Have you tried sending a message to this user? It looks a lot like armchair > mapping using Bing. What is armchair? Is it something to related which automatically maps from imaginary. > What is leading you to the believe it must be some sort of software? There are many reasons. I have been mapping since a long time both using gps and imaginary But have not mapped with so much accuracy and precision. No street is given any name. There are some lines which I think have no meaning and should not be there. You can check these from the following area. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.2841&lon=75.5262&zoom=12&layers=M > With a lot of streets having easy geometry it's no problem to map 4 street > per minute using Bing. Yes It can be possible, but still I am suspicious about it, that why any one from any other country will map this city. I have also noticed some more cities with similar type of mappings in a very short time. There are two lines written on his user page which are in german language. So he can be from german. I have sent him a message but have not got any reply till now. Thank You. -- Parveen Arora www.parveenarora.in E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On 14.08.2011 15:54, Parveen Arora wrote: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Oberaffe But I am sure this is not any Indian user or any Indian User. It also not looks me a user or he must be using some image processing to map the areas. Have you tried sending a message to this user? It looks a lot like armchair mapping using Bing. What is leading you to the believe it must be some sort of software? With a lot of streets having easy geometry it's no problem to map 4 street per minute using Bing. A few months ago a whole city was online mapped in 50 hours: http://gis-lab.info/images/saransk-evolution.gif So possible without special image processing software. Stephan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On 14/08/2011 14:33, Stephan Knauss wrote: the magic thing is called Bing imagery. ... If it is good to have such remote mapping or bad depends on how the people "on the ground" react. Adding a whole street including geometry is imho a lot more rewarding then just entering street names. Agreed. I seem to remember comments on this list previously saying that in at least some areas in India the Bing imagery is a bit out of date. I've no idea if that is the case for Jalandhar, but if I was going to map there remotely I'd probably try and ping a message to any local mappers via a local talk list first (which, of course, may already have happened). Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Stephan Knauss wrote: > the magic thing is called Bing imagery. > > In Potlatch as well as in Josm you can enable high resolution aerial images > in the background to trace the road geometry. Using this you can map an area > really quick. Yes we can do it quickly. > Looks like this used did this a lot. > http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Oberaffe But I am sure this is not any Indian user or any Indian User. It also not looks me a user or he must be using some image processing to map the areas. So I asked question here. > Unfortunately the roads lack important things like street names. Same as the Imaginary so roads don't have much information. -- Parveen Arora www.parveenarora.in E-Mail: m...@parveenarora.in ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatic Map Plotting in OpenStreetMap
Hello Parveen, On 14.08.2011 11:02, Parveen Arora wrote: Please see the my city map of jalandhar on the openstreetmap.org http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.2841&lon=75.5262&zoom=12&layers=M According to me there must be some technique like Image Processing for doing this due to which it has been possible. the magic thing is called Bing imagery. In Potlatch as well as in Josm you can enable high resolution aerial images in the background to trace the road geometry. Using this you can map an area really quick. Looks like this used did this a lot. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Oberaffe Unfortunately the roads lack important things like street names. If it is good to have such remote mapping or bad depends on how the people "on the ground" react. Adding a whole street including geometry is imho a lot more rewarding then just entering street names. It people don't mind or even see it as a support then it's great. Armchair mapping is not that different from data imports. Think of it as a "geometry import". Stephan ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
