Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Russ Nelson]

Clifford Snow writes:
 > If you look at the bridge segment of  the highway going north, it has the
 > tag motor_vehicle=no.

Geez, I killed two birds but the third was still blocking. Is there
any way to get an error message out of OSRM when it throws up its
hands and can't find a route? It's pretty easy to move the pins around
and watch a route go from normal to insane. The difficulty is in
determining exactly why. If, for example, OSRM could say "You asked me
for a motor vehicle routing on a way that doesn't permit motor
vehicles", I could have found the problem immediately.

 > Let us know if that fixes the problem

It hasn't fixed the problem yet. That's why we need some way to force
a reload, or tell the user how long they'll have to wait before
checking.

Maybe if you've hit the edit button, that should invalidate your cache?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Clifford Snow]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Russ Nelson  wrote:

> I've already used it to fix three routing problems (an overly long
> oneway, an access=no that no longer applied, and a bidirectional
> motorway). Except they're not active. They haven't fixed anything. The
> routing is still wrong. Look:
>
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_car&route=45.0034%2C-74.7403%3B45.0119%2C-74.7379#map=11/44.8909/-75.1077
>

If you look at the bridge segment of  the highway going north, it has the
tag motor_vehicle=no. Change that to yes (or just remove it) and it will
most likely work. I didn't change it so you can see for yourself. Besides,
it could be limited to foot/bike traffics.

Let us know if that fixes the problem

Clifford

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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Russ Nelson]

Rob Nickerson writes:
 > Congratulations to all those who were involved in getting
 > directions/routing on openstreetmap.org :-)
 > 
 > Worth the wait and will hopefully encourage mappers to contribute more turn
 > restrictions and other routing related info.

I've already used it to fix three routing problems (an overly long
oneway, an access=no that no longer applied, and a bidirectional
motorway). Except they're not active. They haven't fixed anything. The
routing is still wrong. Look:


http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_car&route=45.0034%2C-74.7403%3B45.0119%2C-74.7379#map=11/44.8909/-75.1077

We need two more things: 1) a list of common problems that cause
misrouting, and 2) an estimate of how long before fixing a problem
results in fixing the routing. I'm sure the latter is a caching /
updating problem, but we need to let people know. Especially useful
for the younger mappers who aren't confident that taking away that
inappropriate one-way fixes the routing problem they saw.

Those two pieces of information could probably be supplied by having a
link on the routing panel that says "Is this route wrong?" That could
point to a wiki page explaining how to help.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Nick Whitelegg]

Ah right. I wasn't saying GraphHopper's wrong BTW... I was more questioning the 
wisdom of adding "access=private" to rights of way. But that's probably another 
discussion for the talk-gb list...

Nick


From: SomeoneElse 
Sent: 18 February 2015 11:51
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

On 18/02/2015 11:38, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
> I've tried some foot routing out and it appears that someone has done a mass 
> addition of access=private to large numbers of ROWs in Hampshire.
>
> See
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=50.96550%2C-1.17800%3B50.96090%2C-1.18780#map=17/50.96265/-1.18302
>
See also

https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/41053/prow-tagging-england-wales

In this case graphhopper's "correct", because
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4453997 does not have "foot=yes" on it,
but instead "access:foot=yes".  It used to have foot=designated on it
until 3 years ago.

Cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Andreas Labres]

On 17.02.15 12:30, Andreas Labres wrote:
> Is there a *Route To Here* option?

This seems to work like this:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?route=;48.19484,16.36637#map=18/48.19484/16.36637

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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[SomeoneElse]

On 18/02/2015 11:38, Nick Whitelegg wrote:

I've tried some foot routing out and it appears that someone has done a mass 
addition of access=private to large numbers of ROWs in Hampshire.

See

http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=50.96550%2C-1.17800%3B50.96090%2C-1.18780#map=17/50.96265/-1.18302


See also

https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/41053/prow-tagging-england-wales

In this case graphhopper's "correct", because 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4453997 does not have "foot=yes" on it, 
but instead "access:foot=yes".  It used to have foot=designated on it 
until 3 years ago.


Cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Nick Whitelegg]

Nice to have routing on the main site, but

This has revealed quite a big nasty that has happened in Hampshire recently!

I've tried some foot routing out and it appears that someone has done a mass 
addition of access=private to large numbers of ROWs in Hampshire.

See

http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_foot&route=50.96550%2C-1.17800%3B50.96090%2C-1.18780#map=17/50.96265/-1.18302

for instance

It should be routing you along the footpath, instead it routes along the road.

Not sure who's done this but will investigate later - I sincerely hope it was a 
mistake!!!

Nick


From: si...@mungewell.org 
Sent: 17 February 2015 22:45
To: christian.pietz...@googlemail.com
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Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

> OSRM and other routers won't use the highway you want it to use because
> its
> under construction in the OSM data (
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/27593150#map=13/50.4550/-113.8127&layers=Q).

Ahh, that would probably do it. I have removed 'construction=trunk' and
'motor_vehicle=no' tags as they are incorrect.

Will check back in a few days to see if it fixed the routing problem.

> Most often it's not  router but a data problem.

Absolutely... the data is to blame!

The point I was making is that routing often highlights that there is an
issue, maybe a quick link to add a note (or something) that local/expert
mappers could validate would be of benefit.

Cheers,
Simon
(who really should pay more TLC to mapping in his area)


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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[simon]

> OSRM and other routers won't use the highway you want it to use because
> its
> under construction in the OSM data (
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/27593150#map=13/50.4550/-113.8127&layers=Q).

Ahh, that would probably do it. I have removed 'construction=trunk' and
'motor_vehicle=no' tags as they are incorrect.

Will check back in a few days to see if it fixed the routing problem.

> Most often it's not  router but a data problem.

Absolutely... the data is to blame!

The point I was making is that routing often highlights that there is an
issue, maybe a quick link to add a note (or something) that local/expert
mappers could validate would be of benefit.

Cheers,
Simon
(who really should pay more TLC to mapping in his area)


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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[christian.pietz...@googlemail.com]

OSRM and other routers won't use the highway you want it to use because its
under construction in the OSM data (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/27593150#map=13/50.4550/-113.8127&layers=Q).
Most often it's not  router but a data problem.

2015-02-17 22:32 GMT+01:00 :

> > +1 this is awesome
>
> Yes, but It would be nice if there were someway to report/analyse
> incorrect routes.
>
> For example driving from Crowsnest Pass to Calgary suggests a valid (but
> longer) route than anyboby/everybody would actually take.
>
> If I jump across to 'project-osm' to give it a suggestion it really gets
> confused:
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34518077/just_take_hwy_2.png
>
> It seems that the dragable 'vias' refuse to attach to the north bound
> lanes of the divided highway 2, resulting in some loops. What it should do
> is pick up highway 2 in Nanton and continue north on it to Calgary.
>
> Simon.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[simon]

> +1 this is awesome

Yes, but It would be nice if there were someway to report/analyse
incorrect routes.

For example driving from Crowsnest Pass to Calgary suggests a valid (but
longer) route than anyboby/everybody would actually take.

If I jump across to 'project-osm' to give it a suggestion it really gets
confused:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/34518077/just_take_hwy_2.png

It seems that the dragable 'vias' refuse to attach to the north bound
lanes of the divided highway 2, resulting in some loops. What it should do
is pick up highway 2 in Nanton and continue north on it to Calgary.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Milo van der Linden]

Nice!



2015-02-17 16:30 GMT+01:00 Paweł Paprota :
> Great work!
>
> Picked up by Slashdot BTW:
> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/02/17/1351206/openstreetmaporg-gets-routing
> :-)
>
> Paweł
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 15:22, Steve Coast wrote:
>> +1 this is awesome
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2015, at 12:10 PM, Michael Kugelmann  wrote:
>>
>>> Am 16.02.2015 um 20:20 schrieb Rob
>   Nickerson:
 Congratulations to all those who were involved in
>   getting directions/routing on openstreetmap.org
>   :-)
>>> +1!
>>>
>>>
>>>
> Cheers,
>>>
> Michael.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Paweł Paprota]

Great work!

Picked up by Slashdot BTW:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/02/17/1351206/openstreetmaporg-gets-routing
:-)

Paweł

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 15:22, Steve Coast wrote:
> +1 this is awesome
> 
> Steve
> 
> On Feb 16, 2015, at 12:10 PM, Michael Kugelmann  wrote:
> 
>> Am 16.02.2015 um 20:20 schrieb Rob
  Nickerson:
>>> Congratulations to all those who were involved in
  getting directions/routing on openstreetmap.org
  :-)
>> +1!
>>  
>>  
>> 
Cheers,
>> 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Steve Coast]

+1 this is awesome

Steve

> On Feb 16, 2015, at 12:10 PM, Michael Kugelmann  wrote:
> 
>> Am 16.02.2015 um 20:20 schrieb Rob Nickerson:
>> Congratulations to all those who were involved in getting directions/routing 
>> on openstreetmap.org :-)
> +1!
> 
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Andreas Labres]

On 16.02.15 20:20, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> Congratulations to all those who were involved in getting directions/routing
> on openstreetmap.org  :-)
+1

Is there a *Route To Here* option? In the form that:

-> I give the destination (coordinates plus name) as GET parameters
-> the destination is shown and already filled in
-> the user can give his/her "from" location
-> and press the "Go" button

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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Philip Barnes]

On Tue Feb 17 10:15:26 2015 GMT, StephaneP wrote:
> Thanks for this useful feature !
> 
> I have one request :
> A reverse start/destination button.
> 
Is there a way to add a via, in osrm it is drag the route,  but can't do it 
here. 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Badita Florin]

This is the perfect news .

I aslo made a short video that i am promoting in the local community for
people to see just how easy is to route.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehHVZvFnVVs&feature=youtu.be

I hope this will make people, and also bussines to add more POI , because
now they can see the advantage.


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> Congratulations to all those who were involved in getting
> directions/routing on openstreetmap.org :-)
>
> Worth the wait and will hopefully encourage mappers to contribute more
> turn restrictions and other routing related info.
>
> Cheers,
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[StephaneP]

Thanks for this useful feature !

I have one request :
A reverse start/destination button.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Mateusz Konieczny]

> The bicycle router seems to give same result as car router in my area?

Also for me, bicycle routers seem unable to avoid major roads. Terrible
compared to http://brouter.de/brouter-web/.

PS: Please, send unformatted test to mailing list.

2015-02-17 4:00 GMT+01:00 Jóhannes Birgir Jensson :

>  Adding surface tags sounds more like an upgrade than an outbreak.
> Tagging for the router surely means that you are tagging roads based on
> their finer properties, single-lane or dual-lane, asphalt or gravel etc.
>
> Also if the road is less traveled it sounds like a no-brainer to tag it as
> unclassified instead of tertiary?
>
> The bicycle router seems to give same result as car router in my area?
>
>
>  Þann 17.2.2015 00:14, skrifaði Jo Walsh:
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015, at 08:19 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
>
> +1 to that! Hope it doesn't lead to an outbreak of "tagging for the
> router" though... You know, down/upgrading roads to "improve" the results...
>
> Anecdatally, I would say that outbreak is well in hand already :/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Jóhannes Birgir Jensson]

Adding surface tags sounds more like an upgrade than an outbreak. 
Tagging for the router surely means that you are tagging roads based on 
their finer properties, single-lane or dual-lane, asphalt or gravel etc.


Also if the road is less traveled it sounds like a no-brainer to tag it 
as unclassified instead of tertiary?


The bicycle router seems to give same result as car router in my area?


Þann 17.2.2015 00:14, skrifaði Jo Walsh:

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015, at 08:19 PM, Colin Smale wrote:


+1 to that! Hope it doesn't lead to an outbreak of "tagging for the 
router" though... You know, down/upgrading roads to "improve" the 
results...



Anecdatally, I would say that outbreak is well in hand already :/


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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Jo Walsh]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015, at 08:19 PM, Colin Smale wrote:
> +1 to that! Hope it doesn't lead to an outbreak of "tagging for the
> router" though... You know, down/upgrading roads to "improve" the
> results...


Anecdatally, I would say that outbreak is well in hand already :/
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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Clifford Snow]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Colin Smale  wrote:

> My first quick test in Kent yielded a route (about 6 miles) which while
> perfectly viable, no-one in their right mind would take. But that is
> probably more of a quirk of OSRM than anything else.


Maybe some investigating as to why the router didn't pick a more optimal
route is in order. When testing the router, I discovered a number of errors
related to how we mapped access to ferry routes.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Janko Mihelić]

2015-02-16 21:19 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale :

>
> My first quick test in Kent yielded a route (about 6 miles) which while
> perfectly viable, no-one in their right mind would take. But that is
> probably more of a quirk of OSRM than anything else.
>

That's the beauty, you can try out other engines as well. For example,
Mapquest has a big advantage, it takes into account turn restrictions when
"via" is a way. OSRM just ignores those turn restrictions. That means that
OSRM will rote through U-turns which are not allowed.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Pierre Béland]

Thanks all. Great job.
For the Ebola activation, there are many GIS deployed in the field. Routing is 
an important aspect of humanitarian organizations logistic. The World Food 
Program UN Agency UN-WFP is adding tags for roads practicability. I hope that 
such asset adding this routing to openstreetmap.org will bring in more 
collaboration. Pierre
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[christian.pietz...@googlemail.com]

Hi Collin
can you send us a link to your OSRM route and how you would drive? It's
always interesting if it's a "problem" of OSRM or if there might be some
problem with the road network.

greets
Hedaja

2015-02-16 21:22 GMT+01:00 Hans De Kryger :

> Thanks to all those involved for your hard work!
>
> *Regards,*
>
> *Hans*
>
>
> *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13
> *
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Matthijs Melissen <
> i...@matthijsmelissen.nl> wrote:
>
>> On 16 February 2015 at 19:20, Rob Nickerson 
>> wrote:
>> > Congratulations to all those who were involved in getting
>> directions/routing
>> > on openstreetmap.org :-)
>>
>> A large step forward, thanks to Richard Fairhurst and all others who
>> made this possible!
>>
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[christian.pietz...@googlemail.com]

Hi
really nice. Thanks to all persons involved. It's a very nice integration,
looks good and feels good to use =)
But I still have two ideas xD
1) right-click menu for OSM.org --> many users are used to have some
right-click menu for the map. For OSM.org possible options could be: Set
Start, Set End
, Whats around? (query feature like when you use the button on the right
panel)
2) customization: atm there are two router options shown for every routing
type (car/pedestrian/bicycle). Maybe you could add some more routing
options (thought of Graphhopper for car) and than people with an account
could decide which one they want to have displayed.

The second idea isn't really important. It's more a feature if you don't
have other things to do ;). But the first idea is more useful.

greets
Christian aka Hedaja

2015-02-16 21:02 GMT+01:00 Clifford Snow :

> Thanks to all those involved in adding routing to OSM. Routing is a major
> enhancement to OSM. As Rob said, it will help us fix mapping errors that we
> may not have noticed without the feature.
>
> Thanks,
> Clifford
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Rob Nickerson  > wrote:
>
>> Congratulations to all those who were involved in getting
>> directions/routing on openstreetmap.org :-)
>>
>> Worth the wait and will hopefully encourage mappers to contribute more
>> turn restrictions and other routing related info.
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Hans De Kryger]

Thanks to all those involved for your hard work!

*Regards,*

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> On 16 February 2015 at 19:20, Rob Nickerson 
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> > on openstreetmap.org :-)
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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Colin Smale]

 

+1 to that! Hope it doesn't lead to an outbreak of "tagging for the
router" though... You know, down/upgrading roads to "improve" the
results... 

My first quick test in Kent yielded a route (about 6 miles) which while
perfectly viable, no-one in their right mind would take. But that is
probably more of a quirk of OSRM than anything else. 

Colin 

On 2015-02-16 21:02, Clifford Snow wrote: 

> Thanks to all those involved in adding routing to OSM. Routing is a major 
> enhancement to OSM. As Rob said, it will help us fix mapping errors that we 
> may not have noticed without the feature. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Clifford 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Rob Nickerson  
> wrote:
> 
>> Congratulations to all those who were involved in getting directions/routing 
>> on openstreetmap.org [1] :-)
>> 
>> Worth the wait and will hopefully encourage mappers to contribute more turn 
>> restrictions and other routing related info.
>> 
>> Cheers, Rob 
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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 16 February 2015 at 19:20, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
> Congratulations to all those who were involved in getting directions/routing
> on openstreetmap.org :-)

A large step forward, thanks to Richard Fairhurst and all others who
made this possible!

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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Michael Kugelmann]

Am 16.02.2015 um 20:20 schrieb Rob Nickerson:
Congratulations to all those who were involved in getting 
directions/routing on openstreetmap.org  :-)

+1!


Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Routing on osm.org

[Clifford Snow]

Thanks to all those involved in adding routing to OSM. Routing is a major
enhancement to OSM. As Rob said, it will help us fix mapping errors that we
may not have noticed without the feature.

Thanks,
Clifford

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Congratulations to all those who were involved in getting
> directions/routing on openstreetmap.org :-)
>
> Worth the wait and will hopefully encourage mappers to contribute more
> turn restrictions and other routing related info.
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
>
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> talk@openstreetmap.org
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