Re: [Talk-cz] jak přidat do tracklogu GPX rychlost

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Ha Noj
 gpsbabel -i gpx -f Current.gpx -x track,speed,course -o csv -F
 speed.csv

 Podle toho tveho prikazu by mne spis zajimalo, jestli se ti neco
 objevilo v souboru speed.csv?
 Tedy, jestli to GPSBabel dokazal vubec spocitat.

*** Ano, zkopiroval jsem spatny prikaz v CSV se to neobjevi spravne melo byt:
gpsbabel -i gpx -f Current.gpx -x track,speed,course -o gpx -F speed.gpx

jinak plati predchozi e-mail o verzi GPX 1.0 a 1.1

ha
hanoj

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Re: [Talk-de] Echtzeit-Tracker für Bahn- und Busverbindungen

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer


sent from a phone

 Am 11.06.2015 um 12:07 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de:
 
 Anscheinend sind das an vielen Stellen aber Fahrplandaten und keine
 Echtzeitdaten. Zumindest hier in Karlsruhe scheint das so zu sein.


ja, das sind fast immer Fahrplandaten

Gruß 
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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Volker Schmidt
Se serve sono disponibile alle 18 via Skype (volker.schmidt)

Volker

2015-06-11 13:23 GMT+02:00 Michele Mondelli mithenks...@gmail.com:

 Non saprei di preciso, ma di cose da dire ce ne sono tante... Non penso
 meno di 3/4 d'ora o un'ora!

 ciao,

 Il giorno 11 giugno 2015 08:37, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha
 scritto:

 2015-06-10 12:13 GMT+02:00 Michele Mondelli mithenks...@gmail.com:
  Hangout organizzativo fissato per giovedì alle 18:00!
 

 mi ero segnato come presente, ma ho avuto un impegno improvviso, cerco
 di arrivare in tempo.
 Quanto pensate che durerà?


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Re: [Talk-it] Shape portale regione Lombardia

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Simone Cortesi
2015-06-10 12:03 GMT+02:00 RColombo roberto.colo...@gruppocorvi.org:

 Scusatemi, mi sono perso qualche pezzo temo. Perchè utilizzare un tool
 online
 quando è più facile utilizzare JOSM?


il tool online permette didividere il lavoro fra migliaia di utenti
potenzialmente interessati, di fare merge mediato dall'utente e non da un
software.

di fatto potresti inserire i civici delle zone che conosci.

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Re: [Talk-de] Äquadukt

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Volker Schmidt
Vorsicht, nicht alle Aquaedukte sind historisch.

Mir kommt sofort der California Aqueduct (1) in den Sinn, der aussieht wie
ein Kanal, ist aber in Wirklichekeit ein Trinkwasser-Aquaedukt, der in OSM,
als waterway=canal getaggt ist (Beispiel:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/80121839). Das ist eigentlich nicht in
wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Dcanal nicht vorgesehen. Dort
werden nur Bewaesserungskanaele erwaehnt.


(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Aqueduct


2015-06-11 10:19 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:

  Am 11.06.2015 um 08:14 schrieb christian.pietz...@googlemail.com 
 christian.pietz...@gmail.com:
 
  Hallo
  Ich würde ja bridge=aqueduct nehmen:
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:bridge%3Daqueduct


 das ist ein Attribut, das man dort verwenden kann, wo ein Wasserweg
 über eine Brücke geführt wird. D.h. es geht _nur bei Brücken_, nicht
 allgemein für Aquädukte, und man braucht trotzdem noch einen tag für
 den Wasserweg, und impliziert bedeutet es auch, dass das Aquädukt noch
 funktionieren sollte (sonst gäbe es keinen Wasserweg mehr).

 Zudem beschreibt man damit das Aquädukt nach meiner Auffassung nur
 indirekt, indem man sagt der Wasserweg läuft hier über ein Aquädukt,
 aber würde man z.B. einen name-tag dranhängen dann wäre das m.E. der
 Name des Wasserwegs und nicht des Aquädukts (weil auf diese Weise das
 Aquädukt als solches gar nicht gemappt ist). Dafür gibt es zwar auch
 würg-arounds (bridge_name), was dann soviel bedeutet wie: dieser
 Wasserweg läuft hier über eine Brücke mit diesem Brücken-Namen. Wenn
 man dagegen ein Brückenobjekt hat, kann man ganz einfach den
 Brückennamen in name unterbringen und braucht keine
 Sonderbehandlung.

 Das sind alles Gründe, warum ich einen allgemeineren Tag für Aquädukte
 und Fragmente davon (ex-Aquädukte) in historic vorgeschlagen habe, der
 für alles was mal ein Aquädukt war verwendet werden kann. Als
 Zusatztag empfehle ich bei antiken Aquädukten historic:civilization=*
 (insbesondere von diesen antiken Aquädukten sind nur noch wenige
 ununterbrochen erhalten, und das sich auch die Objekte, die m.E. mehr
 interessieren als die modernen Wasserleitungen).

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[Talk-at] AGIT 2015, Salzburg

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Markus Mayr

Hallo!

Auch dieses Jahr findet wieder die AGIT, eine Fachmesse und Konferenz 
für angewandte Geoinformatik in Salzburg statt.
OpenStreetMap ist dort im Rahmen des OSGeo Parks mit einem Stand 
vertreten und freut sich auf Unterstützung bei der Standbetreuung. :-)
Weitere Mithelfer bekommen EXPO Gastkarten, müssen für die Messe also 
nichts zahlen (die Konferenz ist dabei nicht inkludiert).


Beste Grüße,
Markus



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Betreff: 	[FOSSGIS-Talk] FOSSGIS, OSGeo und Projekte auf der 27. AGIT in 
Salzburg vom 8. - 10. Juli 2015

Datum:  Mon, 08 Jun 2015 10:38:16 +0200
Von:Astrid Emde FOSSGIS e.V. astrid.e...@fossgis.de
Antwort an: astrid.e...@fossgis.de
Organisation:   FOSSGIS e.V.
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FOSSGIS und OSGeo auf der 27. AGIT in Salzburg vom 8. - 10. Juli 2015

Vom 8. - 10. Juli 2015 rückt die Universität Salzburg wieder ins Zentrum
der internationalen Geoinformatik Community: Drei Tage voller
Informationen, Austausch neuer Ideen und wertvollen Impulsen für die
eigene Arbeit erwarten die über 1000 Anwender und Anbieter raumbezogener
Informationstechnologien zum 27. Mal in Salzburg.

http://www.agit.at/

AGIT EXPO
--
Das diesjährige Thema der AGIT lautet AGIT 27 - Geospatial Minds for
Society. Der FOSSGIS e.V. und die OSGeo sind mit einem Stand bei der
AGIT EXPO dabei. In diesem Jahr sind auch viele OSGeo Projekte mit einem
Stand, Produktpräsentationen  Workshops vertreten. So freuen wir uns
auf die Projekte gvSIG CE, Mapbender, Mapfish, Open Street Map, PostGIS
 pgRouting Project, Potree, QGIS und SAGA GIS.

http://www.agit.at/agitexpo

Das OSM Spezialforum findet am 8. Juli 2015 statt
Wie in den vergangenen Jahren wird im Spezialforum OpenStreetMap (OSM)
das Community gestützte Projekt zur Erstellung einer weltweiten
Kartengrundlage von ExpertInnen und AnwenderInnen diskutiert.

http://www.agit.at/programm


OSGeo Day am 10. Juli 2015
-
Am OSGeo Day am 10. Juli 2015 dreht sich alles um das Thema Open Source.
Der Open Source Day wird in Zusammenarbeit mit dem FOSSGIS e.V. und der
OSGeo Foundation veranstaltet. Neben der Präsenz in der AGIT EXPO werden
zahlreiche Workshops, Produktpräsentationen und Spezialforen zu
OS-Projekten und OC-Initiativen über alle drei Tage angeboten.

OSGeo Day http://www.agit.at/programm

http://www.agit.at/

Ausstellerverzeichnis
--
Alle teilnehmenden Projekte sind auch im Ausstellerverzeichnis
aufgeführt.Besucher können sich also vorab sehr gut informieren und
sicherlich den Weg zum OSGeo-Park finden.

http://www.agit.at/agitexpo/ausstellerverzeichnis


-- english version

AGIT 27 2015, Salzburg, Austria

The annual gathering at the University Salzburg will be from 8rd to 10th
July 2015. The international Geoinformatik Community will meet: three
days full of information, exchange of ideas and valuable impulse for
your individual work is guaranteed. About 1000 visitors and provider of
geospatial information technologies will meet. It will be the 27th AGIT
in Salzburg.

http://www.agit.at/

AGIT EXPO

This years theme is AGIT 27 - Geospatial Minds for Society. FOSSGIS e.V.
and OSGeo will have a booth at AGIT Expo. This year many OSGeo projects
will also be present with a booth, product presentation and workshop. We
are looking forward to the projects gvSIG CE, Mapbender, Mapfish, Open
Street Map, PostGIS  pgRouting Project, Potree, QGIS and SAGA GIS.

http://www.agit.at/agitexpo


OSM Spezialforum
--
There will be an OSM Spezialforum on July 8rd.

OSM Spezialforum http://www.agit.at/programm


OSGeo Day
---
OSGeo Day will be on July 10th. The OSGeo Day is organized in
cooperation with FOSSGIS e.V. and OSGeo Foundation. You find a booth in
the AGIT EXPO area, you can visit several workshops. Also presentations
and special fora concerning OS projects and OC initiatives are offered
all three days.

OSGeo Day http://www.agit.at/programm

http://www.agit.at/

Exhibitor list
-
This year you find all the projects in the Exhibitor list. Visitors get
informed about FOSSGIS, OSM and the other projects and will surely find
the way to the OSGeo-Park area and join OSGeo Day.

http://www.agit.at/agitexpo/ausstellerverzeichnis

Die Reise zur AGIT nach Salzburg lohnt sich!

--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Astrid Emde
--

FOSSGIS und OpenStreetMap auf der Agit 2015 in Salzburg
8.-10. Juli, Universität Salzburg
http://www.agit.at

FOSSGIS e.V, der Verein zur Förderung von Freier Software aus dem
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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Cristian Consonni
Il 11 giugno 2015 13:43, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 Se serve sono disponibile alle 18 via Skype (volker.schmidt)

Ciao Volker,

Michele nella sua mail precedente diceva di usare Hangout, inoltre
Skype funziona meno bene se ci sono numerosi partecipanti.

C

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Re: [Talk-it] Import dati da database Regione Lombardia

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer


sent from a phone

 Am 11.06.2015 um 12:21 schrieb Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.com:
 
 Con IODL 1.0 e 2.0 non hai problemi
 La prima lo scrive esplicitamente, la seconda invece chiede di avere - dove 
 possibile - i riferimenti alla licenza
 Pertanto un riferimento alla fonte dati molto liight


c'è anche una clausola per un cambiamento di licenza come previsto dai CT? 
Altrimenti al prossimo cambio di licenza si rischia di nuovo non solo di 
perdere i dati di questo import ma anche il lavoro di tutti i mappatori che si 
sono basati su dati del import 

ciao 
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Re: [Talk-cz] jak přidat do tracklogu GPX rychlost

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Ha Noj
Díky moc za test gpsbabel, podařilo se mi přijít na proč:

* pokud je v hlavičce gpx version=1.1, tak se speed, course se neprovede
* pokud je v hlavičce gpx version=1.0, tak se speed, course
dopočítá, ale zahodí to postradatelné tagy a metadata extension

testováno na gpsbabel 1.4.3 i 1.5.2.

ha
hanoj

Dne 11. června 2015 9:22 Petr Holub ho...@ics.muni.cz napsal(a):
 mám GPX z Garmin etrex30, který obsahuje pouze čas, výšku a lat/lon.
 Potřeboval bych do GPX dokódovat rychlost mezi trackpointy a případně
 i azimut. Měl by to umět gpsbabel [1], ale na výstupu se v gpx nic
 nového neobjeví:

 gpsbabel -i gpx -f Current.gpx -x track,speed,course -o csv -F speed.csv


 Je jiná cesta, dělám něco špatně?

 Mne to normlane funguje:

 $ /c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/GPSBabel/gpsbabel.exe -V

 GPSBabel Version 1.5.2

 /c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/GPSBabel/gpsbabel.exe -i gpx -f 2015-06-10.gpx -x 
 track,course,speed -o gpx -F 2015-06-10-speed.gpx

 Puvodni

   trkpt lat=47.115202686 lon=15.425739186
 ele350.537842/ele
 time2015-06-10T06:10:59Z/time
   /trkpt

 se zmeni na

   trkpt lat=47.115202686 lon=15.425739186
 ele350.537842/ele
 time2015-06-10T06:10:59Z/time
 course50.615906/course
 speed10.058410/speed
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Re: [Talk-es] Presencia de OSM en OpenExpo

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Alejandro S.
Buenas,
Yo estaré también por el OpenExpoDay, podemos hacer mini-quedada OSM los
que estemos por allí :D

Saludos!

Atentamente,
  Alejandro Suárez

2015-06-10 19:40 GMT+02:00 Luis García Castro lui...@gmail.com:

 Buenas,

 ¿Hay alguien en la sala que pueda encargarse de publicar algo sobre
 nuestra participación en la web? Lo que comentan es bastante razonable, me
 tendría que haber dado cuenta yo mismo.


 http://www.openexpo.es/event/openstreetmap-como-comunidad-y-proyecto-abierto-colaborativo-y-libre

 Además nos darían un código de descuento (se los pido ahora mismo)...
 lástima no haberlo tenido antes porque quizá algunos ya habéis pagado.

 De paso, me encantaría poder juntarme en algún momento del día con todos
 los que podáis asistir al evento (¡tanto si es antes/después de la charla
 como en otro rato!).

 ¡Gracias por adelantado!

 -- Mensaje reenviado --
 De: OpenExpo i...@openexpo.es
 Fecha: 10 de junio de 2015, 19:30
 Asunto: Re: OpenExpo, errata en la web
 Para: Luis García Castro lui...@gmail.com, man...@openexpo.es
 Cc: Román Mas ro...@openexpo.es


 Buenas tardes Luis,

 Gracias por avisar del error, ya lo hemos modificado.

 He visto además que en vuestra web (http://www.openstreetmap.es) habláis
 de los eventos en los que vais a participar, quizás sería interesante que
 habláseis de #OpenExpoDay. Si lo véis interesante, podríamos pasaros un
 código de invitación para 10 personas para incluirlo en el post (para los
 primeros).

 Para cualquier otra consulta, aquí estamos.

 Quedo a la espera de tus noticias,

 Un saludo
 Manu Sánchez
 man...@openexpo.es
 www.openexpo.es



 On 10/06/2015 19:19, Luis García Castro wrote:

 Buenas tardes Román,

 Acabo de ver una errata en el programa de OpenExpoDay, me gustaría que se
 corrigiera.

 En el horario de la web (
 http://www.openexpo.es/openexpo-day-2015/programa-y-horario), el título
 de mi charla aparece resumido como OpenStreetMaps como comunidad​, y es
 incorrecto porque el proyecto es OpenStreetMap en singular.

 Creo que en el resto de sitios está bien :-)

 ¡Nos vemos en unos días!

 --

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Re: [Talk-de] Echtzeit-Tracker für Bahn- und Busverbindungen

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Sven Geggus
Norbert norbert.brunkha...@online.de wrote:

 Unter http://tracker.geops.ch kann man die Bahn- und Buslinien in 
 Echtzeit verfolgen.
 Die Karten sind von OpenStreetMap und der Bus fährt sogar, wenn die 
 Route in OSM noch nicht erfasst ist. :-)

Anscheinend sind das an vielen Stellen aber Fahrplandaten und keine
Echtzeitdaten. Zumindest hier in Karlsruhe scheint das so zu sein.

Sven

-- 
Das Einzige wovor wir Angst haben müssen ist die Angst selbst
(Franklin D. Roosevelt)

/me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web

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Re: [Talk-it] Import dati da database Regione Lombardia

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Maurizio Napolitano
 [...]
 Ci sarebbe da contattare un responsabile di regione lombardia per vedere
se
 sono d'accordo all'utilizzo dei dati sotto licenza IODL 2.0 con OSM.

Con IODL 1.0 e 2.0 non hai problemi
La prima lo scrive esplicitamente, la seconda invece chiede di avere - dove
possibile - i riferimenti alla licenza
Pertanto un riferimento alla fonte dati molto liight
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Re: [Talk-de] Äquadukt

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer


sent from a phone

 Am 11.06.2015 um 11:23 schrieb Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com:
 
 Vorsicht, nicht alle Aquaedukte sind historisch.



historisch ist zwar sowieso ein dehnbarer Begriff, aber ich denke ich verstehe 
Dich ;-)
Ich verwende den tag nur für Aquädukte wo es ausser Frage steht, dass sie 
historisch sind, das neueste bisher war aus dem 16. Jh

Es sind auch nicht alle Aquädukte Brücken, insbesondere nicht über ihren 
gesamten Verlauf. Moderne Aquädukte sind (Trink)wasserleitungen, ggf offen, und 
sollten m.E. so getaggt werden. Das bridge Attribut ist jedenfalls eher 
unglücklich gewählt m.E., um ein ganzes Aquädukt abzubilden, man kann es 
natürlich insbesondere für die Stellen verwenden, wo eine Brücke ist (da bringt 
es dann aber im Vergleich zu yes kaum einen Mehrwert).


Gruß 
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Re: [Talk-de] Äquadukt

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
 Am 11.06.2015 um 08:14 schrieb christian.pietz...@googlemail.com 
 christian.pietz...@gmail.com:

 Hallo
 Ich würde ja bridge=aqueduct nehmen:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:bridge%3Daqueduct


das ist ein Attribut, das man dort verwenden kann, wo ein Wasserweg
über eine Brücke geführt wird. D.h. es geht _nur bei Brücken_, nicht
allgemein für Aquädukte, und man braucht trotzdem noch einen tag für
den Wasserweg, und impliziert bedeutet es auch, dass das Aquädukt noch
funktionieren sollte (sonst gäbe es keinen Wasserweg mehr).

Zudem beschreibt man damit das Aquädukt nach meiner Auffassung nur
indirekt, indem man sagt der Wasserweg läuft hier über ein Aquädukt,
aber würde man z.B. einen name-tag dranhängen dann wäre das m.E. der
Name des Wasserwegs und nicht des Aquädukts (weil auf diese Weise das
Aquädukt als solches gar nicht gemappt ist). Dafür gibt es zwar auch
würg-arounds (bridge_name), was dann soviel bedeutet wie: dieser
Wasserweg läuft hier über eine Brücke mit diesem Brücken-Namen. Wenn
man dagegen ein Brückenobjekt hat, kann man ganz einfach den
Brückennamen in name unterbringen und braucht keine
Sonderbehandlung.

Das sind alles Gründe, warum ich einen allgemeineren Tag für Aquädukte
und Fragmente davon (ex-Aquädukte) in historic vorgeschlagen habe, der
für alles was mal ein Aquädukt war verwendet werden kann. Als
Zusatztag empfehle ich bei antiken Aquädukten historic:civilization=*
(insbesondere von diesen antiken Aquädukten sind nur noch wenige
ununterbrochen erhalten, und das sich auch die Objekte, die m.E. mehr
interessieren als die modernen Wasserleitungen).

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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Michele Mondelli
Non saprei di preciso, ma di cose da dire ce ne sono tante... Non penso
meno di 3/4 d'ora o un'ora!

ciao,

Il giorno 11 giugno 2015 08:37, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

 2015-06-10 12:13 GMT+02:00 Michele Mondelli mithenks...@gmail.com:
  Hangout organizzativo fissato per giovedì alle 18:00!
 

 mi ero segnato come presente, ma ho avuto un impegno improvviso, cerco
 di arrivare in tempo.
 Quanto pensate che durerà?


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Re: [Talk-es] Presencia de OSM en OpenExpo

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Pepe Casado
Perfecto os mandaré la hora de la ponencia y vemos como hacer esa osm
quedada

Pepe Casado
El 11/6/2015 10:42, Alejandro S. alejandro...@gmail.com escribió:

 Buenas,
 Yo estaré también por el OpenExpoDay, podemos hacer mini-quedada OSM los
 que estemos por allí :D

 Saludos!

 Atentamente,
   Alejandro Suárez

 2015-06-10 19:40 GMT+02:00 Luis García Castro lui...@gmail.com:

 Buenas,

 ¿Hay alguien en la sala que pueda encargarse de publicar algo sobre
 nuestra participación en la web? Lo que comentan es bastante razonable, me
 tendría que haber dado cuenta yo mismo.


 http://www.openexpo.es/event/openstreetmap-como-comunidad-y-proyecto-abierto-colaborativo-y-libre

 Además nos darían un código de descuento (se los pido ahora mismo)...
 lástima no haberlo tenido antes porque quizá algunos ya habéis pagado.

 De paso, me encantaría poder juntarme en algún momento del día con todos
 los que podáis asistir al evento (¡tanto si es antes/después de la charla
 como en otro rato!).

 ¡Gracias por adelantado!

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 Fecha: 10 de junio de 2015, 19:30
 Asunto: Re: OpenExpo, errata en la web
 Para: Luis García Castro lui...@gmail.com, man...@openexpo.es
 Cc: Román Mas ro...@openexpo.es


 Buenas tardes Luis,

 Gracias por avisar del error, ya lo hemos modificado.

 He visto además que en vuestra web (http://www.openstreetmap.es) habláis
 de los eventos en los que vais a participar, quizás sería interesante que
 habláseis de #OpenExpoDay. Si lo véis interesante, podríamos pasaros un
 código de invitación para 10 personas para incluirlo en el post (para los
 primeros).

 Para cualquier otra consulta, aquí estamos.

 Quedo a la espera de tus noticias,

 Un saludo
 Manu Sánchez
 man...@openexpo.es
 www.openexpo.es



 On 10/06/2015 19:19, Luis García Castro wrote:

 Buenas tardes Román,

 Acabo de ver una errata en el programa de OpenExpoDay, me gustaría que
 se corrigiera.

 En el horario de la web (
 http://www.openexpo.es/openexpo-day-2015/programa-y-horario), el título
 de mi charla aparece resumido como OpenStreetMaps como comunidad​, y es
 incorrecto porque el proyecto es OpenStreetMap en singular.

 Creo que en el resto de sitios está bien :-)

 ¡Nos vemos en unos días!

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Re: [Talk-it] addr:postcode sui place

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Simone Cortesi
2015-06-10 12:46 GMT+02:00 Max1234Ita max1234...@gmail.com:

 Purtroppo non è sempre così...
 So che ci sono diversi comuni in Oltrepo Pavese che hanno tutti *lo stesso
 CAP/b| (27050)
 Rientrano per caso in quella trentina? :)


l'esempio che portavo io è l'opposto. comuni che hanno cap multipli
all'interno dello stesso comune, nel tal caso è difficile sapere quale sia
il cap della via di tuo interesse.

il caso opposto, quello dei cap 27050 (o del 27010 - dove abito io), è il
caso in cui piu' conmuni condividono lo stesso numero.

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Re: [Talk-it] Shape portale regione Lombardia

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Alberto Nogaro
From: Simone Cortesi [mailto:sim...@cortesi.com] 
Sent: giovedì 11 giugno 2015 10:39
To: openstreetmap list - italiano
Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Shape portale regione Lombardia

il tool online permette didividere il lavoro fra migliaia di utenti 
potenzialmente interessati, di fare merge mediato dall'utente e non da un 
software.

Il database topografico regionale al momento non è completo, mancano alcuni 
comuni (al momento, a vario titolo, sono 284; la tabella è scaricabile su 
http://www.cartografia.regione.lombardia.it/download/STATO_AVANZAMENTO_DBT.xls).

Il tool online permetterebbe di mettere disponibili i dati in fasi successive?

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] Shape portale regione Lombardia

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Simone Cortesi
2015-06-11 12:06 GMT+02:00 Alberto Nogaro bartosom...@yahoo.it:


 Il database topografico regionale al momento non è completo, mancano
 alcuni comuni (al momento, a vario titolo, sono 284; la tabella è
 scaricabile su
 http://www.cartografia.regione.lombardia.it/download/STATO_AVANZAMENTO_DBT.xls
 ).


grazie! noto che Milano è presente nel DBT, quindi dovrebbe essere
disponibile nel file citato da RColombo


 Il tool online permetterebbe di mettere disponibili i dati in fasi
 successive?


sì, di fatto, nel tool importi CSV o json. potremmo fare una prova proprio
con Milano, ad esempio, dove, un po' di civici gia' ci sono.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Another research project spam?

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Simone Cortesi
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

who else has received an email about a VGI in land administration
 research project? I'd like to find out if it was an accident that I've
 got three of them...


I've got just one invitation from them.


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Re: [Talk-it] Import dati da database Regione Lombardia

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Simone Cortesi
2015-06-10 22:15 GMT+02:00 RColombo roberto.colo...@gruppocorvi.org:

 L'idea al momento è di modificarlo grossolanamente ai nostri scopi con un
 tradizionale QGis e poi importare i dati su una piattaforma per elaborare i
 dati da trasportare in OSM, Simone Cortesi proponeva
 https://github.com/osmlab/to-fix, sto cercando di ottenere un server
 pubblico dove farlo girare.


abbiamo una macchina OpenStreetMap Italia dove fare queste cose.

contattami in privato che ne parliamo.


 Ci sarebbe da contattare un responsabile di regione lombardia per vedere se
 sono d'accordo all'utilizzo dei dati sotto licenza IODL 2.0 con OSM.


non vedo problemi. il problema è coi contributors term?

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Re: [Talk-cz] jak přidat do tracklogu GPX rychlost

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Lukas Gebauer
 mám GPX z Garmin etrex30, který obsahuje pouze čas, výšku a
 lat/lon. Potřeboval bych do GPX dokódovat rychlost mezi trackpointy
 a případně i azimut. Měl by to umět gpsbabel [1], ale na výstupu
 se v gpx nic nového neobjeví:
 
 gpsbabel -i gpx -f Current.gpx -x track,speed,course -o csv -F
 speed.csv
 
 
 Je jiná cesta, dělám něco špatně?

Podle toho tveho prikazu by mne spis zajimalo, jestli se ti neco 
objevilo v souboru speed.csv? 
Tedy, jestli to GPSBabel dokazal vubec spocitat.


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Re: [Talk-de] Äquadukt

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Michael Reichert
Hallo,

Am 2015-06-11 um 15:23 schrieb Sarah Hoffmann:
 Dann lieber bridge:name für den Namen. Findet Nominatim
 sogar: http://www.osm.org/?query=Ponte%20Aquila

Ja, die Eisenbahnmapper nutzen das auch schon fleißig und die
OpenRailwayMap wertet es auch aus. Ebenso tunnel:name. name=* ist dann
der Name der Strecke, z.B. Schnellfahrstrecke Hannover–Würzburg.

Beispiel:
http://www.openrailwaymap.org/canvas.php?lang=delat=50.03305171394198lon=9.692130088806152zoom=14style=standard

Viele Grüße

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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Bryan Housel
There is an open item in iD to display the date of the aerial imagery alongside 
the attribution message.  We actually don’t get this from most tile providers, 
but we can get it from Bing in the response header.

Would definitely welcome a pull request if someone wants to take a shot at 
implementing this.
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492

Thanks, Bryan



 On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Kam, Kristen krist...@telenav.com wrote:
 
 We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to  our OSM editing 
 applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of the 
 imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using older 
 imagery.
 
 Kristen
 
 Sent from OWA on Android
 
 From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:42:29 AM
 To: Talk Openstreetmap; Help for newbie mappers
 Subject: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
 
 please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware
 that aerial imagery may be several years out of date.
 
 yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped
 in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing
 aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back,
 but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads.
 
 i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the
 imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother
 to, you know, read the README.
 
 i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but
 you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number
 of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District
 of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned
 and/or reconfigured.  this will be true in many places. if you see a
 mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to
 contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first.
 
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Re: [talk-ph] OSM projects in the Philippines?

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Ervin Malicdem
I also started using the OSM events. However, I personally suggest the data
from the events should go hand in hand with what you started here.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Past_Events

Ervin M.
*Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own
motherland.
http://www.s1expeditions.com

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:26 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi,

 I just created a page in our wiki to list projects in the Philippines
 related to OSM:
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Projects

 I don't know what's the best format but, for a quick look of what
 projects exist, I would've wanted to see who implemented, where,
 period of implementation.

 I added what I know so far.  Please improve.

 Thanks!

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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Kam, Kristen
We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to  our OSM editing 
applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of the imagery 
collection would get folks to do a double take before using older imagery.

Kristen

Sent from OWA on Android

From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:42:29 AM
To: Talk Openstreetmap; Help for newbie mappers
Subject: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware
that aerial imagery may be several years out of date.

yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped
in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing
aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back,
but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads.

i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the
imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother
to, you know, read the README.

i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but
you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number
of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District
of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned
and/or reconfigured.  this will be true in many places. if you see a
mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to
contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first.

thanks,
   richard

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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Michele Mondelli
Certo! Faccio un hangout e aggiungo tutti!

Il giorno 11 giugno 2015 15:40, Leonardo Frassetto kinetocor...@gmail.com
ha scritto:

 Basta accedere al tuo account gmail e c'è la sezione hangout. Se non hai
 il plugin installato per le chiamate te lo offre il browser
 automaticamente.

 Vorrei partecipare pure io se è possibile
 Il 11/giu/2015 14:18, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 Scusate, mi sono perso questo piccolo dettaglio.   :-(
 Mai utilizzato.
 Che devo fare?
 Ho Chrome su un portatile Windows con videocamera e un buon collegamento.
 Volker

 2015-06-11 13:46 GMT+02:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com:

 Il 11 giugno 2015 13:43, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto:
  Se serve sono disponibile alle 18 via Skype (volker.schmidt)

 Ciao Volker,

 Michele nella sua mail precedente diceva di usare Hangout, inoltre
 Skype funziona meno bene se ci sono numerosi partecipanti.

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Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole
Randy,

I just want to point out that there is an existing and well established
OSM-based service that already supplies worldwide boundaries in a number
of formats https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/boundaries/ .

Further the operator runs daily quality checks on changes in the boundaries.

Simon


Am 11.06.2015 um 14:54 schrieb Randy Meech:
 On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Randy Meech randy.me...@gmail.com
 mailto:randy.me...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Clifford Snow
 cliff...@snowandsnow.us mailto:cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:
 
 
 Seattle has very defined neighborhoods and even
 sub-neighborhoods. The prior discussions kept us from adding the
 boundaries. Maybe it is time to reconsider. The Mapzen effort to
 produce a boundaries overlay is a promising solution to the
 problem, but I haven't heard anything from Mapzen for a while.
 
 
 We've changed course to publish existing OSM boundaries in different
 formats, similar to the metro extracts [2], although this is not
 live yet. The theory is that if we make the data more accessible to
 people for visualization, they'll improve it.
 
 
 Just an update on this, last weekend we launched Borders, which is
 similar to Metro Extracts, but just publishes GeoJSON files of all the
 admin levels for every country from OSM.
 
 We hope that making this data more visible  accessible will lead to its
 improvement.
 
 Data: https://mapzen.com/data/borders/
 Blog: https://mapzen.com/blog/total-perspective-vortex
 Code:
 - https://github.com/pelias/fences-slicer
 - https://github.com/pelias/fences-cli
 - https://github.com/pelias/fences-builder
 
 Additionally, Nathaniel Kelso of Natural Earth and Quattroshapes will be
 starting at Mapzen on Monday (yay). Among many other things, we want to
 focus on this area both within OSM and in other data projects. If anyone
 is interested in helping, drop us a line.
 
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[OSM-talk-nl] Fwd: [Dutch] Meedenken over OSGEO.nl UnConference Hackfest 4 juli Enschede

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Just van den Broecke

Beste Mensen,

OSGeo.nl organiseert op 4 juli de Geo-doe-dag. Wat is dat? Een 
unconference/hackathon, WhereCamp-achtig. Je kunt je al opgeven via 
de Meetup: http://www.meetup.com/OSGeoNL/events/223014171


Zie meer details in mail hieronder en het verzoek van Barend Köbben als 
je wilt meehelpen/denken. Barend  (Cc:) is contact-persoon vanuit OSGeo.nl.


Hartelijke groet,

Just


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Subject: [Dutch] Meedenken over OSGEO.nl UnConference  Hackfest 4 
juli Enschede

Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 14:09:21 +
From: b.j.kob...@utwente.nl
To: du...@lists.osgeo.org

Hallo allemaal,

Uit de feedback van eerdere bijeenkomsten hebben we begrepen dat een deel
van de doelgroep van OSGEO.nl naast een traditionele lezingendag, ook (of
liever) een dag zou zien met veel meer technische inhoud, demonstraties,
workshops en zelf aan de slag met software. We zouden dat kunnen doen in
de vorm van wat wel eens een UnConference
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconference) wordt genoemd. Of als
CodeSprint/HackFest, of een combinatie van beiden.

De beste manier om er achter te komen of dat wat is, is het uitproberen!
Daarom zoeken we mensen uit de community die willen meedenken en -helpen.

Het ITC in Enschede (www.itc.nl) is bereid gevonden daarvoor ruimte te
bieden, op Zaterdag 4 Juli 2015, we denken aan ± 10:00 - 16:00, met als
streefaantal deelnemers 20 (tot max 50) personen. We willen zorgen voor
een plek om elkaar dingen te laten zien: een aantal zaaltjes met
projectors, met ook gelegenheid om met de laptops naast elkaar aan de slag
te gaan, etcetera. Het streven is de verdere voorziening heel spaarzaam
(en daarmee goedkoop) te houden: Koffie en thee is beschikbaar op het ITC,
maar de lunch en naborrelen doen we in de stad voor eigen rekening.

Ondergetekende zal de organisatie van de faciliteiten ter plekke voor zijn
rekening nemen, maar we zoeken nog wel mensen die willen meedenken en
-helpen om het geheel verder vorm te geven: Welke typisch nederlandse
osgeo software moet aan bod komen (Nlextract, flamingo, ...?); welke vorm
geven we eraan: een echte UnConference waar iedereen met zijn verhaal kan
en mag komen, of nodigen we ook mensen specifiek uit, of doen we alleen
maar Hacken, of?

Graag horen we van jullie, via de mail je eenmalige mening, of liever nog
met een aanbod om mee te helpen.


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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Richard Welty
On 6/11/15 10:05 AM, Kam, Kristen wrote:
 We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to  our OSM editing 
 applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of the 
 imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using older 
 imagery.

i am not persuaded that these armchair mappers are paying attention. unless
there's a big warning this imagery is X years old that can't be
ignored, i think
the information will frequently be ignored.

i'd like a tag that we could use that has some editor support, it might
be the
case that  all we need is a pop up dialog when there's a README tag that
says
something like Read this before committing: text of README tag

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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Mike Thompson
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
wrote:


 i'd like a tag that we could use that has some editor support, it might
 be the
 case that  all we need is a pop up dialog when there's a README tag that
 says
 something like Read this before committing: text of README tag

I like this suggestion.  I have not noticed any of my work undone by
armchair mappers, but it is something that has crossed my mind as there are
several trails that I have surveyed that have been rerouted recently, and
that rerouting is not reflected in the Bing imagery.

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Re: [Talk-es] Números de policía en OSM

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Carlos Dávila

El 11/06/15 a las 14:31, Juanma M. R. escribió:

Hola,

Estoy intentando entender el modelo de datos de OSM para poder operar 
con los números de policía que trae esta cartografía. Para temas de 
calles y otros menesteres me he aclarado pero para el tema de número 
de policía me cuesta sacar los datos que necesito.


No sé si es por uno de los dos motivos siguientes:

* Los números de policía para España (estoy probando con datos de 
Albacete) son pocos y no están bien documentados

Con seguridad es uno de los motivos


* La consulta que hago no es la que debiera. He estado mirándome la 
explicación del método karlsruhe y me da la impresión que no es tan 
sencillo como yo pensaba.


Estoy trabajando con la BDD de Nominatim cargada tal como indica su 
documentación. La consulta al final es:


select * from place where type ='house' and housenumber = '2' and
street='Calle de la Caba'  limit 1;


El problema es que street no está en todos los números de portal. ¿Hay 
otra forma de acceder a ellos? Según la documentación addr_place 
debería estar inicializado ya que es altamente recomendable el 
meterlo. Pero utilizo street porque al menos en el modelo de nominatim 
es donde viene el nombre de la calle cuando lo tiene.
No sé si Nominatim usa nombres de campos distintos a los originales de 
OSM, pero las etiquetas correctas a buscar serían addr:housenumber, 
addr:street y addr:place. Respecto a house, hay muchos números de 
policía que no están en una entidad house, puede ser un nodo que marca 
la entrada al edificio en cuestión, un edificio que no es una casa, etc.


Estoy en paralelo intentando hacer funcionar nominatim en local 
(https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/43244/problems-installing-nominatim-relations-and-functions-not-found) 
para utilizar el propio nominatim y no tener que calentarme la cabeza, 
pero tengo problemas y por eso estoy intentando el plan B de trabajar 
con ellos directamente.


¿Alguna ayuda/idea/corrección? Gracias.

Un saludo,
Juan Manuel Moreno Rivera.


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Re: [Talk-ht] Orfeo Tool box

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden similia joseph
C'est intéressant!
Le 10 juin 2015 00:54, Fred Moine frmo...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour,

 On revient avec Jean Guilhem d'un hackfest sur Orfeo Tool box
 https://www.orfeo-toolbox.org/

 http://wiki.orfeo-toolbox.org/index.php/OTB_Users_meeting_and_hackfest_2015

 Voici le Cook Book

 https://www.orfeo-toolbox.org/packages/OTBCookBook.pdf


 Pour les utilisateurs QGIS une partie des outils d'Orfeo Tool Box sont déja
 dans QGIS 2.8 Wien

 Il faut aller dans le menu  Traitement / Boite à outil


 Vous allez me dire n'est il pas possible de faire un tuto sous learn OSM ou
 autre : )

 Il faut un cas pratique pour cela ... et du temps

 Donc si il y a des personnes interessées par cet outil ou peut toujours
 faire un tour de table pour qui utilise quoi...

 De notre côté, on envisage de l'utiliser pour faire de la classification /
 mise à jour Land cover avec images drone Near Infra Red /RGB  et sur image
 pleiades.

 Par manque de temps on le fait petit à petit.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Jakou mame definici landuse=village_green?

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Petr Holub
 snazil jsem se prelozit stranku o
 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dvillage_green
 
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:landuse%3Dvillage_green
 
 
 
 Zda se, ze definice teto znacky je velmi UK-centricka a snad jsem

Co takhle městská zeleň? Mne to prijde jako docela obecna vec,
proste travy apod. tam, kde to neni soucast udrzovanych parku a podobnych
celku.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Jakou mame definici landuse=village_green?

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Miroslav Suchý
Dne 11.6.2015 v 17:55 Petr Holub napsal(a):
 Co takhle městská zeleň? Mne to prijde jako docela obecna vec,
 proste travy apod. tam, kde to neni soucast udrzovanych parku a podobnych
 celku.

To urcite ne.
V tom puvodnim ENG popisu se jedna o (obvykle) travnatou plochu, kde se
poradaji spolecenske akce.
V prekladu bych akorat zameni Spolecna za Obecni.

Mozna jeste doplnil o nejake priklady: IMO se jedna o plochu kde se
poradaji ruzne vesnicke udalosti (souteze hasicu) nebo se tam stavi
kolotoce nebo cirkusy kdyz prijedou do obce.
Tedy neco co neni park ani mestska zelen, protoze kazdy vi ze krome
travy tam nema smysl nic udrzovat protoze to do par tydnu nekdo
zhuntuje. Ale take to nikdo nechce zastavet (a ani osadit) protoze by
pak nebylo kde poradat akce.

Mirek

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Re: [Talk-de] Äquadukt

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Markus

Hallo Volker,

Ich benutze auch bridge=yes und layer=+1 mit dem waterway


Das habe ich noch nie verstanden, wozu man bei einer Brücke - die ja 
immer über irgend etwas oben drüber führt - noch +1 hinschreibt 
(klingt für mich nach Pleonasmus).



Wenn du ein gut gemappten Aquaedukt suchst, der auch in Mapnik gut
gerendert wird:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23697870#map=17/52.97010/-3.08810


Ja, sieht gut aus.

Was macht man aber, wenn der Wasserweg breit ist?
also ein riverbed braucht?
(dann malt der Renderer nämlich eine schmale Brücke in Längsrichtung 
mitten in den Wasserweg...)


Gruss, Markus


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Re: [Talk-de] Äquadukt

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Markus

Hallo Christian,

Vorschläge für Verbesserungen beim jeweiligen Renderstil


Danke - vielleicht kann das jemand mit besserem Englisch ergänzen:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/1608

Gruss, Markus


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[OSM-talk] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Richard Welty
this is a summary of previous discussion on newbies  talk-us

we have an ongoing, persistent problem with armchair mappers
correcting the map to match out of date aerial imagery. i just
had to repair the map in Rensselaer, NY; the street named
Broadway was reconfigured in late 2012, and bing imagery is
out of date. a couple of months ago someone realigned my
edits to match the out of date bing imagery. others can and
have described similar situations.

i have started using the unofficial tag README whenever i
make edits that differ from current bing imagery; i usually
place the date of the note in ISO format at the beginning
of the text. for example, here is the note i placed on the
road in Rensselaer:

2013-01-15 - reconfiguration of road not yet fully reflected in aerial
imagery. do not conform this road to current imagery.

this has mostly worked, but in this specific case the armchair
mapper chose not to read the note, or read it and dismissed it.

so i have two things in mind here:

1) formalize the README tag as a way to caution future mappers

2) request editor support, when someone goes to change a
README tagged entity, it would be nice if editors would popup
a dialog saying something along the lines of

Warning: read the following before making any changes to this
object README text follows

other suggestions that have been made have included trying to
make the dates on which imagery was collected more obvious,
adding warnings when edits are newer than available imagery
(or newer than the imagery layer currently being displayed),
and pressing to get more current imagery into place.

does anyone have any thoughts on how to approach this?

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Clifford Snow
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
wrote:

 1) formalize the README tag as a way to caution future mappers

 2) request editor support, when someone goes to change a
 README tagged entity, it would be nice if editors would popup
 a dialog saying something along the lines of

 Warning: read the following before making any changes to this
 object README text follows

 other suggestions that have been made have included trying to
 make the dates on which imagery was collected more obvious,
 adding warnings when edits are newer than available imagery
 (or newer than the imagery layer currently being displayed),
 and pressing to get more current imagery into place.

 does anyone have any thoughts on how to approach this?



This certainly needs an editor fix. iD doesn't pick up a readme=* tag so
the user isn't even aware someone wrote a warning message.

The readme tag is more of a bandaid. A better way might be to capture the
image date as a tag. The editor could then issue a warning message if the
image date is older than the feature being modified. Not sure how this
would work when different zoom levels have different dates. For example, if
I see a road at zoom 14, but not at 19, I might use a little of both zoom
levels to draw the feature.

In any event, we need a way to warn the editor.

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[Talk-es] Números de policía en OSM

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Juanma M. R.
Hola,

Estoy intentando entender el modelo de datos de OSM para poder operar con
los números de policía que trae esta cartografía. Para temas de calles y
otros menesteres me he aclarado pero para el tema de número de policía me
cuesta sacar los datos que necesito.

No sé si es por uno de los dos motivos siguientes:

* Los números de policía para España (estoy probando con datos de Albacete)
son pocos y no están bien documentados

* La consulta que hago no es la que debiera. He estado mirándome la
explicación del método karlsruhe y me da la impresión que no es tan
sencillo como yo pensaba.

Estoy trabajando con la BDD de Nominatim cargada tal como indica su
documentación. La consulta al final es:

select * from place where type ='house' and housenumber = '2' and
 street='Calle de la Caba'  limit 1;


El problema es que street no está en todos los números de portal. ¿Hay otra
forma de acceder a ellos? Según la documentación addr_place debería estar
inicializado ya que es altamente recomendable el meterlo. Pero utilizo
street porque al menos en el modelo de nominatim es donde viene el nombre
de la calle cuando lo tiene.

Estoy en paralelo intentando hacer funcionar nominatim en local (
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/43244/problems-installing-nominatim-relations-and-functions-not-found)
para utilizar el propio nominatim y no tener que calentarme la cabeza, pero
tengo problemas y por eso estoy intentando el plan B de trabajar con ellos
directamente.

¿Alguna ayuda/idea/corrección? Gracias.

Un saludo,
Juan Manuel Moreno Rivera. http://www.teledeteccionysig.es/
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Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Randy Meech
On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Randy Meech randy.me...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:00 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
 wrote:


 Seattle has very defined neighborhoods and even sub-neighborhoods. The
 prior discussions kept us from adding the boundaries. Maybe it is time to
 reconsider. The Mapzen effort to produce a boundaries overlay is a
 promising solution to the problem, but I haven't heard anything from Mapzen
 for a while.


 We've changed course to publish existing OSM boundaries in different
 formats, similar to the metro extracts [2], although this is not live yet.
 The theory is that if we make the data more accessible to people for
 visualization, they'll improve it.


Just an update on this, last weekend we launched Borders, which is
similar to Metro Extracts, but just publishes GeoJSON files of all the
admin levels for every country from OSM.

We hope that making this data more visible  accessible will lead to its
improvement.

Data: https://mapzen.com/data/borders/
Blog: https://mapzen.com/blog/total-perspective-vortex
Code:
- https://github.com/pelias/fences-slicer
- https://github.com/pelias/fences-cli
- https://github.com/pelias/fences-builder

Additionally, Nathaniel Kelso of Natural Earth and Quattroshapes will be
starting at Mapzen on Monday (yay). Among many other things, we want to
focus on this area both within OSM and in other data projects. If anyone is
interested in helping, drop us a line.

-Randy
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Re: [Talk-de] Äquadukt

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Sarah Hoffmann
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:19:15AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
  Am 11.06.2015 um 08:14 schrieb christian.pietz...@googlemail.com 
  christian.pietz...@gmail.com:
 
  Hallo
  Ich würde ja bridge=aqueduct nehmen:
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:bridge%3Daqueduct
 
 
 das ist ein Attribut, das man dort verwenden kann, wo ein Wasserweg
 über eine Brücke geführt wird. D.h. es geht _nur bei Brücken_, nicht
 allgemein für Aquädukte, und man braucht trotzdem noch einen tag für
 den Wasserweg, und impliziert bedeutet es auch, dass das Aquädukt noch
 funktionieren sollte (sonst gäbe es keinen Wasserweg mehr).
 
 Zudem beschreibt man damit das Aquädukt nach meiner Auffassung nur
 indirekt, indem man sagt der Wasserweg läuft hier über ein Aquädukt,
 aber würde man z.B. einen name-tag dranhängen dann wäre das m.E. der
 Name des Wasserwegs und nicht des Aquädukts (weil auf diese Weise das
 Aquädukt als solches gar nicht gemappt ist). Dafür gibt es zwar auch
 würg-arounds (bridge_name), was dann soviel bedeutet wie: dieser
 Wasserweg läuft hier über eine Brücke mit diesem Brücken-Namen. Wenn
 man dagegen ein Brückenobjekt hat, kann man ganz einfach den
 Brückennamen in name unterbringen und braucht keine
 Sonderbehandlung.

Dann lieber bridge:name für den Namen. Findet Nominatim
sogar: http://www.osm.org/?query=Ponte%20Aquila

Gruss

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Re: [Talk-de] Echtzeit-Tracker für Bahn- und Busverbindungen

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 11. Juni 2015 um 13:28 schrieb Nzara nzara...@gmail.com:

 Das steckt aber viel Phantasie drin. Gerade konnte ich einen Bus
 beobachten, der in rasendem Tempo durch Quartierstrassen kurvte. Als ob der
 Routenplaner zwischen zwei Haltestellen keinen brauchbaren Weg gefunden hat
 und das nur durch Geschwindigkeit auf dem Umweg wett gemacht werden muss.
 Frei von jeder Realität.



habe ich auch schon beobachtet, vielleicht sind das Fehler in den Daten
(Fahrplanzeiten) ;-)

Gruß,
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[Talk-it] CoinMap sfrutta OSM senza più contribuire

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Carlo Stemberger
È uscita la versione 2 di CoinMap, e purtroppo le novità non sono per
niente buone. Probabilmente è anche un caso di infrazione della licenza.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=175900.msg11584540#msg11584540

Temo sia giunta l'ora di trovare un'alternativa.

:(

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Re: [Talk-de] Echtzeit-Tracker für Bahn- und Busverbindungen

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Nzara
Das steckt aber viel Phantasie drin. Gerade konnte ich einen Bus 
beobachten, der in rasendem Tempo durch Quartierstrassen kurvte. Als ob 
der Routenplaner zwischen zwei Haltestellen keinen brauchbaren Weg 
gefunden hat und das nur durch Geschwindigkeit auf dem Umweg wett 
gemacht werden muss. Frei von jeder Realität.


Gruss
N.

Am 10.06.2015 um 16:38 schrieb Norbert:

Hallo,

zur Info.

Über XING bin ich auf den Artikel in Die Welt gestoßen.
http://www.xing-news.com/reader/news/articles/64687

Unter http://tracker.geops.ch kann man die Bahn- und Buslinien in
Echtzeit verfolgen.
Die Karten sind von OpenStreetMap und der Bus fährt sogar, wenn die
Route in OSM noch nicht erfasst ist. :-)

Viele Grüße
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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Volker Schmidt
Scusate, mi sono perso questo piccolo dettaglio.   :-(
Mai utilizzato.
Che devo fare?
Ho Chrome su un portatile Windows con videocamera e un buon collegamento.
Volker

2015-06-11 13:46 GMT+02:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com:

 Il 11 giugno 2015 13:43, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto:
  Se serve sono disponibile alle 18 via Skype (volker.schmidt)

 Ciao Volker,

 Michele nella sua mail precedente diceva di usare Hangout, inoltre
 Skype funziona meno bene se ci sono numerosi partecipanti.

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Re: [Talk-it] Import dati da database Regione Lombardia

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden RColombo
c'è anche una clausola per un cambiamento di licenza come previsto dai CT?
Altrimenti al prossimo cambio di licenza si rischia di nuovo non solo di
perdere i dati di questo import ma anche il lavoro di tutti i mappatori che
si sono basati su dati del import 


Regione Lombardia ha varato una iniziativa OpenData, per mettere a
disposizione i propri dati in formato aperto e utilizzabile da programmi
informatici, al fine di aumentare la trasparenza, abilitare la nascita di
nuovi servizi per cittadini e abilitare le imprese allo sviluppo di nuovi
business.

I vincoli d'uso dei diversi prodotti resi disponibili: servizi di
visualizzazione di mappe, servizi di download di dati, applicazioni o altre
risorse sono descritti nel catalogo contenente le schede descrittive dei
metadati, al quadro Informazioni su distribuzione, limitazioni d'uso e
accessibilità, nella voce limitazioni d'uso.

I dati scaricabili tramite il servizio di Download del Geoportale sono messi
a disposizione con licenza IODL 2.0 o con licenza CC-BY-NC-SA 3.0 Italia.

Il tipo di licenza assegnata è descritta nella scheda informativa associata
a ogni gruppo di layer, accessibile tramite l'icona con cui si visualizzano
i metadati, nel quadro Informazioni su distribuzione, limitazioni d'uso e
accessibilità, nella voce limitazioni d'uso.

Qualora nella voce limitazioni d'uso compaia:

dato pubblico la licenza è la IODL 2.0
altri vincoli la licenza è la CC-BY-NC-SA 3.0 Italia

Con licenza di tipo IODL 2.0 sei libero di:

riprodurre, distribuire al pubblico, concedere in locazione, presentare
e dimostrare in pubblico, comunicare al pubblico, messa a disposizione del
pubblico inclusa, trasmettere e ritrasmettere in qualunque modo, eseguire,
recitare, rappresentare, includere in opere collettive e/o composte,
pubblicare, estrarre e reimpiegare le informazioni;
creare un lavoro derivato ed esercitare sul lavoro derivato i diritti di
cui al punto precedente, per esempio attraverso la combinazione con altre
informazioni (mashup).

A condizione di:

indicare la fonte delle informazioni e il nome del Licenziante (Regione
Lombardia) includendo, se possibile, una copia di questa licenza o un
collegamento (link) a essa;
non riutilizzare le informazioni in un modo che suggerisca che abbiano
carattere di ufficialità o che il Licenziante approvi l'uso che fai delle
Informazioni;
prendere ogni misura ragionevole affinchè gli usi innanzi consentiti non
traggano in inganno altri soggetti e le informazioni medesime non vengano
travisate.

Con licenza del tipo CC-BY-NC-SA 3.0 Italia sei libero di:

di riprodurre, distribuire, comunicare al pubblico, esporre in pubblico,
rappresentare, eseguire e recitare quest'opera;
di modificare quest'opera.

Alle seguenti condizioni:

Attribuzione - Devi attribuire la paternità dell'opera nei modi indicati
dall'autore o da chi ti ha dato l'opera in licenza e in modo tale da non
suggerire avallo o sponsorizzazione dell'utente originario.
Non commerciale - Non puoi usare quest'opera per fini commerciali.
Condividi allo stesso modo - Se alteri o trasformi quest'opera, o se la
usi per crearne un'altra, puoi distribuire l'opera risultante solo con una
licenza identica o equivalente a questa.

CONSULTABILITA' DELLA PRESENTE INFORMATIVA

La presente informativa è consultabile in forma automatica dai più recenti
browser che implementano lo standard P3P (Platform for Privacy Preferences
Project) proposto dal World Wide Web Consortium (www.w3c.org), essa può
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[Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Richard Welty
please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware
that aerial imagery may be several years out of date.

yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped
in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing
aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back,
but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads.

i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the
imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother
to, you know, read the README.

i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but
you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number
of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District
of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned
and/or reconfigured.  this will be true in many places. if you see a
mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to
contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first.

thanks,
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[Talk-cz] Jakou mame definici landuse=village_green?

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Dalibor Jelínek
Ahoj,

snazil jsem se prelozit stranku o 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dvillage_green

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cs:Tag:landuse%3Dvillage_green

 

Zda se, ze definice teto znacky je velmi UK-centricka a snad jsem 

odhadl jeji cesky vyznam, ale nevim, zda ji u nas takto pouzivame.

Tedy ze se jedna jen o zelenou plochu na navsi vesnice.

Nepouzivame ale tuhle znacku u nas i jinak? Prosim o vase nazory.

 

Dekuji,

Dalibor

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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Leonardo Frassetto
Basta accedere al tuo account gmail e c'è la sezione hangout. Se non hai il
plugin installato per le chiamate te lo offre il browser automaticamente.

Vorrei partecipare pure io se è possibile
Il 11/giu/2015 14:18, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 Scusate, mi sono perso questo piccolo dettaglio.   :-(
 Mai utilizzato.
 Che devo fare?
 Ho Chrome su un portatile Windows con videocamera e un buon collegamento.
 Volker

 2015-06-11 13:46 GMT+02:00 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com:

 Il 11 giugno 2015 13:43, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto:
  Se serve sono disponibile alle 18 via Skype (volker.schmidt)

 Ciao Volker,

 Michele nella sua mail precedente diceva di usare Hangout, inoltre
 Skype funziona meno bene se ci sono numerosi partecipanti.

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Re: [Talk-at] Public Transport Schema und Wien

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Stephan Bösch-Plepelits
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 12:03:31AM +0200, Robin Däneke wrote:
 Hallo,Und noch eine Frage: Wollen wir Nachtbusse mappen, oder nicht?Derzeit 
 sind ein paar Linien gemappt und mehrere nicht... Bei einem Ja würde ich alle 
 Nachtbusse in den nächsten Tagen mappen, wenn ihr denkt, dass die Nachtbusse 
 eger nicht in der DB sein sollen, sollten die, die schon da sind gelöscht 
 werden. Was meint ihr? Nachtverkehr ja/nein?MfGRobin  
  
Also ich seh keinen Grund, warum Nachtbusse nicht gemappt werden sollten.
Im Gegenteil, ich hatte schon geplant eigene
Tag-/Nacht-/Wochenend-öffikarten aus OSM Daten zu basteln. Leider hab ich
derzeit nichts herzeigbares ... Geduld :-)

Die einzige Frage ist noch, wie man Tag-/Nachtlinien bzw. Wochenende
unterscheidet. Vermutlich ist das sinnvollste die Betriebszeiten als
opening_hours zu mappen, d.h.

Eine Nachtbuslinie die nur am Wochenende verkehrt:
opening_hours=Sa-Su 0:30-5:00

Eine Taglinie die jeden Tag unterwegs ist:
opening_hours=5:00-0:30

Syntax: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:opening_hours

Klar ist, dass die Linie nicht überall zu genau dieser Uhrzeit beginnt.
Aber die meisten Linien starten ja an mehreren Stellen, d.h. eine ungefähre
Zeit macht IMHO schon Sinn.

Schweifende Gedanken
Ich fände es ja interessant bei Linien das ungefähre Intervall (z.B. in
Kategorien: Normal, Hauptverkehrszeit, Abend) zu speichern um danach auf
Karten Linien zu priorisieren.

Sapperlot. Wie eine kurze Suche im OSM Wiki ergab, hatten auch andere schon
diese Idee: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Interval
/Schweifende Gedanken

gruesse,
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[Talk-us] SOTM-US - Great Videos!

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Mike N
I couldn't make it to SOTM-US because of time constraints, but wanted to 
thank the sponsors and all who made the great videos!


http://stateofthemap.us/program/

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] [Talk-us] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:

 The readme tag is more of a bandaid. A better way might be to capture the
 image date as a tag. The editor could then issue a warning message if the
 image date is older than the feature being modified.


The readme is more flexible.  Out of date imagery is an important cause of
an armchair mapper
undoing a local mapper's work, but not the only cause.

The image date will often be older than the feature, when using Bing
imagery.
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Re: [Talk-us] [Tagging] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:

 The readme tag is more of a bandaid. A better way might be to capture the
 image date as a tag. The editor could then issue a warning message if the
 image date is older than the feature being modified.


The readme is more flexible.  Out of date imagery is an important cause of
an armchair mapper
undoing a local mapper's work, but not the only cause.

The image date will often be older than the feature, when using Bing
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [Hot-francophone] Orfeo Tool box

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Sébastien Dinot
Bonsoir,

FOLKERINGA Daniel Laposte a écrit :
 Pour ce qui concerne la France, il existe une source sur
 Opendata.gouv.fr à partir des données du ministère de l'agriculture
 (données RGP en .SHP). La précision sera très supérieure à ce que l'on
 pourra attendre de Sentinelle, et on a la culture et le N° de
 parcelle.

J'ai déjà utilisé les données issues du RPG et j'en ai importées
quelques unes dans OSM ; elles ne sont pas sans défauts (j'invite ceux
qui ne les ont jamais manipulées à essayer d'importer quelques parcelles
pour s'en convaincre). En outre - mais c'est subjectif - le fait que les
parcelles connexes n'aient pas de frontière commune est pénible. Soit on
alourdit inutilement la base de données en important la donnée brute
comme cela semble avoir été fait dans l'exemple pointé, soit on perd
beaucoup de temps à recoller les parcelles.

Il est vrai que le RPG fournit une information fine mais son élaboration
prend du temps et le RPG est publié avec beaucoup de retard (le jeu de
données le plus récent sur le portail gouvernemental date de 2012).

Nous sommes en contact avec de personnes impliquées dans le pôle
Théia/Géosud qui envisagent de produire une information rafraichie
annuellement et mise à disposition rapidement (grâce au traitement
automatisé des images Sentinel 2).

J'ai réalisé en six ans de contribution à OSM que notre territoire était
beaucoup plus mouvant que je ne l'imaginais (le réseau routier évolue
rapidement, les villes s'étendent aussi vite, les surfaces cultivées en
paient le prix et la forêt fait l'objet d'une exploitation intensive
dans certaines régions). Du coup, à mes yeux, la fraicheur des données
sur lesquelles nous nous appuyons est aussi importante que leur
précision.

Sébastien

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[Talk-co] Salgar aún te necesita! Nuevas áreas de riesgo de deslizamiento necesitan ser mapeadas

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden hyan...@gmail.com
Estimados todos:

Salgar aun tiene zonas con riesgo de desastres por mapear.  Gracias a la
gestión diligente del equipo de coordinación, en especial de Fredy Rivera,
el fabuloso y oportuno soporte de OCHA y la generosidad de la Federación
Nacional de Cafeteros, contamos con nuevas imágenes aéreas con alta calidad
(20cm/px), de las cuales pueden disfrutar y calcar en:

http://tareas.openstreetmap.co/project/14

Cómo ven, es un área más amplia que la #13 --aunque aún no alcanzamos a
cubrir todo el área de interés (AOI)--.  Necesitamos de su apoyo para
culminarla, muchas gracias por su contribución!

http://tareas.openstreetmap.co/project/14

Saludos,

Humberto Yances
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] annuaire service-public.fr

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Jérôme Amagat
ça intéresse pas grand monde, c'est moins intéressant que des biches
(surtout des biches avec des bois!).

j'ai mis là la liste des organismes present (avec leur nombre) et la tête
du xml avec des tags osm que je verrais bien :

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oc-h_ieXFIoB_Ud9M1bev-zhkgg5RehwF2VNq3xyPn4/edit?usp=sharing


Le 11 juin 2015 02:18, Jérôme Amagat jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :

 la source c'est 62000 fichiers xml (ça devait déjà être du même genre vu
 ça :
 https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/blob/master/merge_data/service_public_FR.rb
 ).
 De la forme (j'ai rien trouver qui donner toute les possibilités) :

 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
 Organisme id=mairie-01041-01 codeInsee=01041
 dateMiseAJour=2014-12-04
pivotLocal=mairie
NomMairie de Bettant/Nom
EditeurSourceLa Direction de l'information légale et administrative
 (Premier ministre)/EditeurSource
Adresse type=géopostale
   Ligne15, route de Saint-Denis/Ligne
   CodePostal01500/CodePostal
   NomCommuneBettant/NomCommune
   Localisation
  Latitude45.9453010559/Latitude
  Longitude5.35293006897/Longitude
  Précision6/Précision
   /Localisation
   Accessibilité type=ACC/
/Adresse
CoordonnéesNum
   Téléphone+33 4 74 46 82 51/Téléphone
   Télécopie+33 4 74 46 04 63/Télécopie
   Emailmairiedebett...@wanadoo.fr/Email
   Urlhttp://www.truc.truc/Url
/CoordonnéesNum
Ouverture
   PlageJ début=jeudi fin=vendredi
  PlageH début=15:30:00 fin=17:30:00/
   /PlageJ
   PlageJ début=samedi fin=samedi
  PlageH début=10:00:00 fin=12:00:00/
   /PlageJ
   PlageJ début=lundi fin=mardi
  PlageH début=15:30:00 fin=17:30:00/
  Noteil peut il y avoir des notes/Note
   /PlageJ
/Ouverture
 /Organisme

 Si l'adresse physique et postale ne sont pas les même il y a ça comme
 adresse à la place :

 Adresse type=physique
   Ligne9 boulevard Victor-Hugo/Ligne
   CodePostal06130/CodePostal
   NomCommuneGrasse/NomCommune
   Localisation
  Latitude43.6556416/Latitude
  Longitude6.9195698/Longitude
  Précision8/Précision
   /Localisation
   Accessibilité type=ACC/
/Adresse
Adresse type=postale
   LigneCaisse d'allocations familiales des Alpes-Maritimes/Ligne
   CodePostal06175/CodePostal
   NomCommuneNice Cedex 2/NomCommune
/Adresse


 Sinon pour ce qui est des tags je sais pas trop, c'est pour ça que je l'ai
 écrit ça sur la liste pour avoir d'autres opinions sur les tag contact: , 
 opening_hours
 ...
 Bien sur garder les tag présent avec l'ancienne version.
 Apres facile avec les mairie, il y a un tag pour mais que fait-t-on des :
 Banque de France (succursale),
 Caisse d’allocations familiales (CAF) ,
 Chambre d’agriculture,
 Groupement d'établissements publics d'enseignement (Greta),
 Mutualité sociale agricole (MSA), réseau local ,
 ...
 ...
 ...
 (voir http://www.service-public.fr/info/docs/liste-type-organisme.pdf )


 Le 10 juin 2015 22:42, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour,
 Oui la mise à jour est manuelle est donc pas vraiment fréquente. Pour les
 données déjà présentes c'est les mêmes colonnes avec le même format de
 contenu ?  Pour faire une simple mise à jour.
 Pour l'ajout un pull request serait le bien venu. Ou au moins une liste
 de tags et de colonnes pour faire le mapping.

 Frédéric.
 Le 10 juin 2015 14:20, Jérôme Amagat jerome.ama...@gmail.com a
 écrit :

 Bonjour,

 L'annuaire de service-public.fr est disponible depuis longtemps et il
 permet grâce à osmose d’intégrer des mairies et d'autres services publics
 http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=8110).
 La source de donnée n'a pas évolué dans osmose et date de 2 ans, les
 données a jour sont ici :

 https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/service-public-fr-annuaire-de-l-administration-base-de-donnees-locales/
 la localisation me semble meilleur, là dans osmose il y a pas mal de
 mairie positionné dans la mauvaise commune...
 ça pourrait être bien de changer pour des données plus à jours.

 Il y a aussi plus de données :
 Il y a les coordonnées qui pourrait, peut être, être ajouté dans osm :
 contact:phone
 contact:fax
 contact:email
 website
 opening_hours
 (et peut être des contact: pour l'adresse postale)

 Il y a d'autres services publics aussi mais aucunes idées comment les
 tagués.
 http://www.service-public.fr/info/docs/liste-type-organisme.pdf


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] annuaire service-public.fr - Banque de France

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
Concernant la Banque de France, pour moi les succursales sont des banques
amenity=bank, avec des mission de service publique supplémentaires donc
building=public et comme operator Banque de France. Quelqu'un a une autre
suggestion ?

Le siège me semble cependant mal tagué :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/54046037
Un exemple existant sur une succursale (le nom est erroné) :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/42578893
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Le 11 juin 2015 23:23, Jérôme Amagat jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :

 ça intéresse pas grand monde, c'est moins intéressant que des biches
 (surtout des biches avec des bois!).

 j'ai mis là la liste des organismes present (avec leur nombre) et la tête
 du xml avec des tags osm que je verrais bien :


 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oc-h_ieXFIoB_Ud9M1bev-zhkgg5RehwF2VNq3xyPn4/edit?usp=sharing


 Le 11 juin 2015 02:18, Jérôme Amagat jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit :

 la source c'est 62000 fichiers xml (ça devait déjà être du même genre vu
 ça :
 https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/blob/master/merge_data/service_public_FR.rb
 ).
 De la forme (j'ai rien trouver qui donner toute les possibilités) :

 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
 Organisme id=mairie-01041-01 codeInsee=01041
 dateMiseAJour=2014-12-04
pivotLocal=mairie
NomMairie de Bettant/Nom
EditeurSourceLa Direction de l'information légale et administrative
 (Premier ministre)/EditeurSource
Adresse type=géopostale
   Ligne15, route de Saint-Denis/Ligne
   CodePostal01500/CodePostal
   NomCommuneBettant/NomCommune
   Localisation
  Latitude45.9453010559/Latitude
  Longitude5.35293006897/Longitude
  Précision6/Précision
   /Localisation
   Accessibilité type=ACC/
/Adresse
CoordonnéesNum
   Téléphone+33 4 74 46 82 51/Téléphone
   Télécopie+33 4 74 46 04 63/Télécopie
   Emailmairiedebett...@wanadoo.fr/Email
   Urlhttp://www.truc.truc/Url
/CoordonnéesNum
Ouverture
   PlageJ début=jeudi fin=vendredi
  PlageH début=15:30:00 fin=17:30:00/
   /PlageJ
   PlageJ début=samedi fin=samedi
  PlageH début=10:00:00 fin=12:00:00/
   /PlageJ
   PlageJ début=lundi fin=mardi
  PlageH début=15:30:00 fin=17:30:00/
  Noteil peut il y avoir des notes/Note
   /PlageJ
/Ouverture
 /Organisme

 Si l'adresse physique et postale ne sont pas les même il y a ça comme
 adresse à la place :

 Adresse type=physique
   Ligne9 boulevard Victor-Hugo/Ligne
   CodePostal06130/CodePostal
   NomCommuneGrasse/NomCommune
   Localisation
  Latitude43.6556416/Latitude
  Longitude6.9195698/Longitude
  Précision8/Précision
   /Localisation
   Accessibilité type=ACC/
/Adresse
Adresse type=postale
   LigneCaisse d'allocations familiales des Alpes-Maritimes/Ligne
   CodePostal06175/CodePostal
   NomCommuneNice Cedex 2/NomCommune
/Adresse


 Sinon pour ce qui est des tags je sais pas trop, c'est pour ça que je
 l'ai écrit ça sur la liste pour avoir d'autres opinions sur les tag
 contact: , opening_hours ...
 Bien sur garder les tag présent avec l'ancienne version.
 Apres facile avec les mairie, il y a un tag pour mais que fait-t-on des :
 Banque de France (succursale),
 Caisse d’allocations familiales (CAF) ,
 Chambre d’agriculture,
 Groupement d'établissements publics d'enseignement (Greta),
 Mutualité sociale agricole (MSA), réseau local ,
 ...
 ...
 ...
 (voir http://www.service-public.fr/info/docs/liste-type-organisme.pdf )


 Le 10 juin 2015 22:42, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com a écrit
 :

 Bonjour,
 Oui la mise à jour est manuelle est donc pas vraiment fréquente. Pour
 les données déjà présentes c'est les mêmes colonnes avec le même format de
 contenu ?  Pour faire une simple mise à jour.
 Pour l'ajout un pull request serait le bien venu. Ou au moins une liste
 de tags et de colonnes pour faire le mapping.

 Frédéric.
 Le 10 juin 2015 14:20, Jérôme Amagat jerome.ama...@gmail.com a
 écrit :

 Bonjour,

 L'annuaire de service-public.fr est disponible depuis longtemps et il
 permet grâce à osmose d’intégrer des mairies et d'autres services publics
 http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#item=8110).
 La source de donnée n'a pas évolué dans osmose et date de 2 ans, les
 données a jour sont ici :

 https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/service-public-fr-annuaire-de-l-administration-base-de-donnees-locales/
 la localisation me semble meilleur, là dans osmose il y a pas mal de
 mairie positionné dans la mauvaise commune...
 ça pourrait être bien de changer pour des données plus à jours.

 Il y a aussi plus de données :
 Il y a les coordonnées qui pourrait, peut être, être ajouté dans osm :
 contact:phone
 contact:fax
 contact:email
 website
 opening_hours
 (et peut être des contact: pour l'adresse postale)

 Il y a d'autres services publics aussi mais aucunes idées comment les
 tagués.
 

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Janko Mihelić
I like the idea. Editors show the message prominently the first time you
touch the object. It doesn't have to be imagery, it can be various messages
to subsequent mappers.

pet, 12. lip 2015. 00:20 David dban...@internode.on.net je napisao:

 Formalising readme is a good and have editing tools display it. But i
 would like to see the readme tag used very selectively. It could contain
 far more data than the rest if the object's tag. Bad if people saw it like
 comments in source code.

 Perhaps more emphasis is needed on good manners when editing existing data
 too.

 David
 .

 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:

 this is a summary of previous discussion on newbies  talk-us
 
 we have an ongoing, persistent problem with armchair mappers
 correcting the map to match out of date aerial imagery. i just
 had to repair the map in Rensselaer, NY; the street named
 Broadway was reconfigured in late 2012, and bing imagery is
 out of date. a couple of months ago someone realigned my
 edits to match the out of date bing imagery. others can and
 have described similar situations.
 
 i have started using the unofficial tag README whenever i
 make edits that differ from current bing imagery; i usually
 place the date of the note in ISO format at the beginning
 of the text. for example, here is the note i placed on the
 road in Rensselaer:
 
 2013-01-15 - reconfiguration of road not yet fully reflected in aerial
 imagery. do not conform this road to current imagery.
 
 this has mostly worked, but in this specific case the armchair
 mapper chose not to read the note, or read it and dismissed it.
 
 so i have two things in mind here:
 
 1) formalize the README tag as a way to caution future mappers
 
 2) request editor support, when someone goes to change a
 README tagged entity, it would be nice if editors would popup
 a dialog saying something along the lines of
 
 Warning: read the following before making any changes to this
 object README text follows
 
 other suggestions that have been made have included trying to
 make the dates on which imagery was collected more obvious,
 adding warnings when edits are newer than available imagery
 (or newer than the imagery layer currently being displayed),
 and pressing to get more current imagery into place.
 
 does anyone have any thoughts on how to approach this?
 
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Re: [Talk-at] Public Transport Schema und Wien

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Markus Straub

Hallo,

wow, ich ziehe den Hut vor dem Ändern so vieler Relationen. Super Sache!

Nachbuslinien: ich finde schon, dass sie gemappt sein sollten, sie 
gehören ja genauso zum ÖV wie Linien untertags.


Dass es natürlich schlau wäre wenn eine Karte die Linien dann nicht 
vermischt sondern es eine Ansicht für Tag- und eine für Nachtverkehr 
gibt ist wieder eine andere Sache :)


LG,
Markus

On 2015-06-11 01:32, Robin Däneke wrote:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vienna_Public_Transport
Ich habe dann soweit fertig =).
Etwa in einer Woche ändere ich dann schon 50B/150 und 49B und erstelle
49E. Im Oktober kommt dann noch die Änderung am 33B und 2016 verbinde
ich die Linirn 17A und 17B wieder zur normalen Linie 17A. Die nächsten
Änderungen stehen dann erst im Oktober 2017 an...

MfG
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Re: [Talk-at] Public Transport Schema und Wien

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Kevin Kofler
Robin Däneke wrote:
 Hallo,Und noch eine Frage: Wollen wir Nachtbusse mappen, oder
 nicht?

Ja, klar, natürlich wollen wir das. Warum auch nicht?

 Derzeit sind ein paar Linien gemappt und mehrere nicht... Bei einem
 Ja würde ich alle Nachtbusse in den nächsten Tagen mappen,

Das wäre super, danke im Vorhinein!

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Re: [Talk-at] Public Transport Schema und Wien

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Kevin Kofler
Robin Däneke wrote:
 http://overpass-api.de/api/sketch-line?network=VORref=48Aoperator=correspondences=100width=1700height=495font-size=force-rows=1max-cors-per-line=max-cors-below=style=
 Und was hier passiert ist weiß ich auch nicht. Ich habe nur die Fahrten
 bis Gutraterplatz hinzugefügt... Wieso das nun so aussieht entzieht sich
 meiner Kenntnis... Da muss eine FR doppelt sein, aber ich finde nichts...
 :(

Ich sehe da 3 Fahrtrichtungen: Dr.-Karl-Renner-Ring → Baumgartner Höhe, 
Gutraterplatz → Baumgartner Höhe und Baumgartner Höhe → Dr.-Karl-Renner-
Ring. Und es werden dann eben die falschen beiden zusammengefaßt.

Ehrlich gesagt halte ich es nicht für besonders sinnvoll, derartige 
Kurzführungen separat zu erfassen, auch wenn sie im Fahrplan stehen. Hier 
wird ja keine einzige Haltestelle bedient, die nicht bereits von der 
größeren Relation erfaßt wird, und zeitliche Einschränkungen (von hh:mm bis 
hh:mm wird nur ab Gutraterplatz gefahren), die man taggen könnte, gibt es 
hier ja auch nicht wirklich. Das ist eine ganz normale Einschubfahrt von der 
Garage Spetterbrücke (SPB). Von irgendwo müssen die Busse ja herkommen.

Kevin Kofler


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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Frederik Ramm
Hi,

On 06/11/15 18:46, Mike N wrote:
I've seen this problem also - an area marked for construction, all 
 roads bulldozed out, - the roads re-appear due to a TIGEROSM 
 comparison test because they're in Bing.
 
   An area where all buildings are demolished and a single large entity 
 takes its place, add a circle / rectangle with a NOTE around the area: 
 buildings reappear because they're in Bing.

If you see this happening regularly, try to find out who the responsible
mapper is and contact them.

If it turns out that this is not an accident but a systemic problem
(e.g. due to the mapper employing some sort of TIGER-OSM comparison
and systematically re-adding stuff) then the mapper should be encouraged
to be more diligent, or if that is not possible, the mapper should
probably stop making these types of edits altogether.

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [Talk-cz] jak přidat do tracklogu GPX rychlost

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Petr Holub
 mám GPX z Garmin etrex30, který obsahuje pouze čas, výšku a lat/lon.
 Potřeboval bych do GPX dokódovat rychlost mezi trackpointy a případně
 i azimut. Měl by to umět gpsbabel [1], ale na výstupu se v gpx nic
 nového neobjeví:
 
 gpsbabel -i gpx -f Current.gpx -x track,speed,course -o csv -F speed.csv
 
 
 Je jiná cesta, dělám něco špatně?

Mne to normlane funguje:

$ /c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/GPSBabel/gpsbabel.exe -V

GPSBabel Version 1.5.2

/c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/GPSBabel/gpsbabel.exe -i gpx -f 2015-06-10.gpx -x 
track,course,speed -o gpx -F 2015-06-10-speed.gpx

Puvodni

  trkpt lat=47.115202686 lon=15.425739186
ele350.537842/ele
time2015-06-10T06:10:59Z/time
  /trkpt

se zmeni na

  trkpt lat=47.115202686 lon=15.425739186
ele350.537842/ele
time2015-06-10T06:10:59Z/time
course50.615906/course
speed10.058410/speed
  /trkpt

Petr



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Re: [Talk-cz] Čítanie XML súboru

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Štefan Kiss

 Ahoj a este jedna vec - co polygon statu? Vedel by som z osm xml suboru
precitat hranice? Ked si napr. slovakia.osm otvorim v xml prehliadaci tak
vidim hned na zaciatku
bounds minlat=47.72646 minlon=16.8283999 maxlat=49.6186 
maxlon=22.57051/
 co je ale podla mna obdlznik a vieme ze tvar Slovenska je viac ako 
nepravidelny takze kym pre ucely geolokacie by sa pri mestach alebo dedinach 
dalo s urcitou toleranciou vychadzat z toho, ze jednotlive body prevediem na 
obdlzniky, u statu je to asi nevhodne nakolko skreslenie by velmi narastlo. 
Ako by sa toto dalo riesit, aby som vedel zistit, ze kym jeden bod z hore 
uvedeneho obdlznika je este na Slovensku, iny je uz v Madarsku?


   Vdaka

S K




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ano, presne tak. bohuzial ale, ak polygon okolo obce nie je nadefinovany
spravne, prip. vobec, tak si ho bud musis nakreslit sam alebo nebude
match.

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015, Štefan Kiss wrote:


Ahoj, to je zaujimava myslienka, ale ak sa nemylim tak katastralne uzemie
zahrna prave aj plochu mimo uzemia mesta teda ak mas napr. dedinu, tak
okolite polia alebo lesy sa nachadzaju tiez v katastralnom  uzemi tejto
dediny az po nejaku hranicu, kde uz zacina katastralne uzemie inej
dediny.
Tym padom mas kazdy centimeter priradeny k nejakemu uzemnemu celku a v
konecnom dosledku nevies podla dat ziskanych z osm tymto sposobom zistit,
kedy si v dedine a kedy mimo nej.

Stefan



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ahoj stefan,

neviem ako v cechach, ale na slovensku polygon, ktory by reprezentoval
obec/mesto (resp. jeho zastavanu cast) nie je rozhodne vsade. mozno by
bolo lepsie pouzit na tento ucel hranice katastralnych uzemi (a ich
prislusnost k mestu).

postupoval by som tak, ze by som hranice naimportoval do postgisu,
vyrobil
indexy a potom sa dotazoval cez sql.

j

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015, Štefan Kiss wrote:


Dobrý deň, priatelia, chcel by som sa obrátiť na tých z Vás, ktorí ste
trochu zdatnejší nielen v mapovaní ale aj v počítačovej technike.
Stiahol som si zo serveru geofabrik.de osm súbor s dátami pre Slovensko
aj Českú republiku a pomocou programu osmfilter som si vyfiltroval
informácie o mestách (osmfilter sk.osm --keep=place=town 
skmesta.osm. Pozrel som si stránku o tagovaní, takže mi je jasné, že
súbor sa skladá z elementov, ktoré majú jednotlivé tagy a atribúty. Čo
ma
ale zaujíma najviac sú informácie o pozícii a tu vidím, že ak je
vytvorený element pre mesto (node s tagom place=town) tak je
charakterizovaný iba jednou informáciou lat a lon ako jeden bod. Vedel
by
mi prosím, niekto vysvetliť, či je to v poriadku alebo či je to
výsledok
filtrácie? Očakával by som totiž, že poloha napr. mesta bude určená
minimálne hodnotami minlat minlon a maxlat maxlon ako štvorec resp.
obdĺžnik.
Mojím cieľom je získať zo súborov v textovej podobe informácie o polohe
miest resp. niečo ako reverzná geolokácia, kedy by som chcel na základe
súradníc vedieť, či je dané miesto na území SR alebo ČR a či je
na území nejakého mesta alebo nie.
Našiel by sa, prosím, medzi Vami odborník, ktorý by mi poradil, ako osm
xml súbor čítať a dešifrovať údaje o polohe?

S vďakou

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Re: [Talk-cz] Čítanie XML súboru

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Ha Noj
  Ahoj a este jedna vec - co polygon statu? Vedel by som z osm xml suboru
 precitat hranice?
 pokud hledas administrativní hranice statů, krajů, obcí a tak
ano, ale pod jinou skupinou tagů boundary, napr:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/51684

ha
hanoj

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Re: [Talk-it] OSMIT 2015

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Luca Delucchi
2015-06-10 12:13 GMT+02:00 Michele Mondelli mithenks...@gmail.com:
 Hangout organizzativo fissato per giovedì alle 18:00!


mi ero segnato come presente, ma ho avuto un impegno improvviso, cerco
di arrivare in tempo.
Quanto pensate che durerà?


-- 
ciao
Luca

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Re: [Talk-de] Äquadukt

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden christian.pietz...@googlemail.com
Hallo
Ich würde ja bridge=aqueduct nehmen:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:bridge%3Daqueduct
Es ist immer eine Sache etwas richtig zu taggen und eine andere wie es
gerendert wird. Erstmal richtig taggen (wir machen ja kein Tagging für den
Renderer) und dann bei Problemen Vorschläge für Verbesserungen beim
jeweiligen Renderstil machen. Zum Beispiel für den Standard OSM-Stil hier:
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues

mfg
Christian aka Hedaja

Am 10. Juni 2015 um 19:40 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer 
dieterdre...@gmail.com:



 sent from a phone

  Am 10.06.2015 um 19:17 schrieb Markus liste12a4...@gmx.de:
 
  Wie taggt man einen Äquadukt,
  damit er richtig gerendert wird?


 ich benutze
 historic=aqueduct
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ahistoric%3Daqueduct

 Für moderne Aquädukte würde ich pipeline tags verwenden, habe ich aber
 bisher noch nicht gemacht.

 richtig gerendert werden Aquädukte derzeit auf der Standardkarte nicht.

 Gruß
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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Mike N

On 6/11/2015 12:46 PM, Mike N wrote:

   I've seen this problem also - an area marked for construction, all
roads bulldozed out, - the roads re-appear due to a TIGEROSM
comparison test because they're in Bing.


 Speaking of which, one of those came back to life yesterday.   I tried 
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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden James Mast
Maybe we should invite the MapBox paid mappers to join in this conversation?  
They are the major people doing this.

-James

 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 21:10:58 -0400
 From: nice...@att.net
 To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
 
 On 6/11/2015 12:46 PM, Mike N wrote:
 I've seen this problem also - an area marked for construction, all
  roads bulldozed out, - the roads re-appear due to a TIGEROSM
  comparison test because they're in Bing.
 
   Speaking of which, one of those came back to life yesterday.   I tried 
 the README trick on an empty object this time.
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Ian Sergeant
Perhaps a nice objective tag, rather than README text.

If a feature is new, add a start_date tag.

The editor can then have options..

1, Alert the user if the start date  is more recent than the layers
currently displayed.
2. Visually indicate if the start_date is within a configurable recency
(say, draw a halo around objects constructed in the past two years, or so).

There is also some scope for automated analysis, rather than depend on free
text.

Ian.
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[Talk-in] Zomato using openstreetmap

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden srinivas kodali
Hi Guys,

A friend recently pointed out to me zomato made a shift to osm. This is
good considering an Indian website with considerable traffic is using osm.
Just an update.

https://www.zomato.com/chennai/besant-nagar-restaurants?category=9

Regards,
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Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Simon Poole

It supports at least down to level 11, simply click on the entries and
it will display sub-boundaries and so on.

Not that there isn't room for further parallel services, but this wasn't
actually a vacuum :-). In particular anything helping improving
boundaries in the US is a good thing.

Simon

Am 11.06.2015 um 17:20 schrieb Randy Meech:
 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch
 mailto:si...@poole.ch wrote:
 
 I just want to point out that there is an existing and well established
 OSM-based service that already supplies worldwide boundaries in a number
 of formats https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/boundaries/ .
 
 
 Yes -- unless I'm mistaken, this only supports admin_level=2, meaning
 country borders?
 
 This new project exposes all the other admin levels as well, in order to
 display cities, neighborhoods, etc. We saw demand for this in feedback
 on Metro Extracts and elsewhere.
 
 -Randy 



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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] BAG en Top10NL PostGIS dumps van april 2015

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Ster, Eric van der (CIV)
Wat wellicht ook kan helpen:

Publicatieplicht verkeersbesluiten:
http://www.vng.nl/onderwerpenindex/milieu-en-mobiliteit/wegenverkeerswet/brieven/elektronische-bekendmaking-verkeersbesluiten

https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/zoeken/resultaat/?zkt=Uitgebreidpst=Tractatenblad|Staatsblad|Staatscourant|Gemeenteblad|Provinciaalblad|Waterschapsblad|BladGemeenschappelijkeRegeling|ParlementaireDocumentenvrt=verkeersbesluitzkd=InDeGeheleTextdpr=Allespd=20150611epd=20150611sdt=DatumPublicatieap=pnr=1rpp=10


(loket met publicaties kan ik zo even niet zo snel vinden). Middels 
verkeersbesluiten kun je zien wat de wegbeheerder aan verkeersmaatregelen neemt.

RWS beheert het borden bestand met bewegwijzering. Wordt nog opengesteld voor 
hergebruik.

Eric van der Ster

Van: St Niklaas [mailto:st.nikl...@live.nl]
Verzonden: woensdag 10 juni 2015 17:23
Aan: OpenStreetMap NL discussion list
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] BAG en Top10NL PostGIS dumps van april 2015

Beste Maarten Deen,

Onderstaand het mail adres van de vereniging van borden fabrikanten in 
Nederland.

i...@vnvf.nlmailto:i...@vnvf.nl

Ik ben benieuwd, mijn vorige poging om het digitale bordenboek voor OSM binnen 
te halen strandde op u kunt het kopen, zonder een afspraak aangaande de rechten 
van de plaatjes.

Hendrikklaas

Voor een bezichtiging kun je beter een fabrikant uit  de onderstaande lijst 
benaderen;

http://www.vnvf.nl/links/

succes


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[Talk-us] Fwd: Re: a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Charlotte Wolter

Hello,

Making imagery more up-to-date won't solve the problem.
The real problem is that OSM never communicates with its
members, expecially not with those armchair mappers who do
it recreationally. They are not reading the email lists, which are
mostly geeky and obsessed with obscure details of mapping.
Until OSM has a method of communication aimed at ALL
members, these problems will continue.
I'm sure most armchair mappers never even saw Richard's
initial email.

Charlotte




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On 6/11/15 10:05 AM, Kam, Kristen wrote:
 We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to  our 
OSM editing applications. And I think something easy as publicizing 
the date of the imagery collection would get folks to do a double 
take before using older imagery.


i am not persuaded that these armchair mappers are paying attention. unless
there's a big warning this imagery is X years old that can't be
ignored, i think
the information will frequently be ignored.

i'd like a tag that we could use that has some editor support, it might
be the
case that  all we need is a pop up dialog when there's a README tag that
says
something like Read this before committing: text of README tag

richard

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Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Randy Meech
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:

 I just want to point out that there is an existing and well established
 OSM-based service that already supplies worldwide boundaries in a number
 of formats https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/boundaries/ .


Yes -- unless I'm mistaken, this only supports admin_level=2, meaning
country borders?

This new project exposes all the other admin levels as well, in order to
display cities, neighborhoods, etc. We saw demand for this in feedback on
Metro Extracts and elsewhere.

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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Darrell Fuhriman
Another useful tool might be to have a repository of local imagery servers that 
can automatically become available when in an appropriate area.

For instance, I use the 2014 NAIP imagery via a WMS server in JOSM. It’s only 
1m resolution, but it’s great for double checking that nothing has changed.

At smaller zoom levels, that might actually be a preferable default to always 
using bing, and having the imagery change, combined with imagery dates, draws 
attention to the fact that things might not always be current.

d.





 On Jun 11, 2015, at 07:54, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote:
 
 There is an open item in iD to display the date of the aerial imagery 
 alongside the attribution message.  We actually don’t get this from most tile 
 providers, but we can get it from Bing in the response header.
 
 Would definitely welcome a pull request if someone wants to take a shot at 
 implementing this.
 https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 
 https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492
 
 Thanks, Bryan
 
 
 
 On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Kam, Kristen krist...@telenav.com 
 mailto:krist...@telenav.com wrote:
 
 We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to  our OSM 
 editing applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of 
 the imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using 
 older imagery.
 
 Kristen
 
 Sent from OWA on Android
 
 From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net
 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:42:29 AM
 To: Talk Openstreetmap; Help for newbie mappers
 Subject: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
 
 please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware
 that aerial imagery may be several years out of date.
 
 yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped
 in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing
 aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back,
 but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads.
 
 i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the
 imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother
 to, you know, read the README.
 
 i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but
 you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number
 of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District
 of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned
 and/or reconfigured.  this will be true in many places. if you see a
 mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to
 contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first.
 
 thanks,
   richard
 
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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Ian Dees
Such a thing exists and is here:
https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index

It is used by iD and Potlatch, with JOSM output available but not installed
by default.
I'm happy to help anyone add their imagery.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org
wrote:

 Another useful tool might be to have a repository of local imagery servers
 that can automatically become available when in an appropriate area.

 For instance, I use the 2014 NAIP imagery via a WMS server in JOSM. It’s
 only 1m resolution, but it’s great for double checking that nothing has
 changed.

 At smaller zoom levels, that might actually be a preferable default to
 always using bing, and having the imagery change, combined with imagery
 dates, draws attention to the fact that things might not always be current.

 d.





 On Jun 11, 2015, at 07:54, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote:

 There is an open item in iD to display the date of the aerial imagery
 alongside the attribution message.  We actually don’t get this from most
 tile providers, but we can get it from Bing in the response header.

 Would definitely welcome a pull request if someone wants to take a shot at
 implementing this.
 https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492

 Thanks, Bryan



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 We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to  our OSM
 editing applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of
 the imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using
 older imagery.

 Kristen

 Sent from OWA on Android
 
 From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:42:29 AM
 To: Talk Openstreetmap; Help for newbie mappers
 Subject: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

 please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware
 that aerial imagery may be several years out of date.

 yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped
 in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing
 aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back,
 but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads.

 i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the
 imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother
 to, you know, read the README.

 i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but
 you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number
 of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District
 of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned
 and/or reconfigured.  this will be true in many places. if you see a
 mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to
 contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first.

 thanks,
   richard

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Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Clifford Snow
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com
wrote:

   Making imagery more up-to-date won't solve the problem.
 The real problem is that OSM never communicates with its
 members, expecially not with those armchair mappers who do
 it recreationally. They are not reading the email lists, which are
 mostly geeky and obsessed with obscure details of mapping.
 Until OSM has a method of communication aimed at ALL
 members, these problems will continue.
 I'm sure most armchair mappers never even saw Richard's
 initial email.


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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Richard Welty
On 6/11/15 12:46 PM, Mike N wrote:

   My current strategy is to leave the original objects, just remove
 all tagging except for a note about Bing imagery dated  is out of
 date.

i did this with a slip ramp from I-90 nearby that was removed when a
roundabout was put in; i had removed the ramp, someone put it
back in because bing, so i removed the tags and added a README note
to the bare way.

nobody's messed with it since. here's hoping it stays that way.

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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Darrell Fuhriman
Shouldn’t be too hard to add this: https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS 
https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS

Unfortunately, the WMS server seems to be misbehaving right now. I sent a note 
to what I hope are the right people about that.

d.



 On Jun 11, 2015, at 08:43, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Such a thing exists and is here: 
 https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index 
 https://github.com/osmlab/editor-imagery-index
 
 It is used by iD and Potlatch, with JOSM output available but not installed 
 by default.
 I'm happy to help anyone add their imagery.
 
 On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org 
 mailto:darr...@garnix.org wrote:
 Another useful tool might be to have a repository of local imagery servers 
 that can automatically become available when in an appropriate area.
 
 For instance, I use the 2014 NAIP imagery via a WMS server in JOSM. It’s only 
 1m resolution, but it’s great for double checking that nothing has changed.
 
 At smaller zoom levels, that might actually be a preferable default to always 
 using bing, and having the imagery change, combined with imagery dates, draws 
 attention to the fact that things might not always be current.
 
 d.
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 11, 2015, at 07:54, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com 
 mailto:br...@7thposition.com wrote:
 
 There is an open item in iD to display the date of the aerial imagery 
 alongside the attribution message.  We actually don’t get this from most 
 tile providers, but we can get it from Bing in the response header.
 
 Would definitely welcome a pull request if someone wants to take a shot at 
 implementing this.
 https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492 
 https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2492
 
 Thanks, Bryan
 
 
 
 On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:05 AM, Kam, Kristen krist...@telenav.com 
 mailto:krist...@telenav.com wrote:
 
 We need to make it more easier to load up-to-date imagery to  our OSM 
 editing applications. And I think something easy as publicizing the date of 
 the imagery collection would get folks to do a double take before using 
 older imagery.
 
 Kristen
 
 Sent from OWA on Android
 
 From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net
 Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 6:42:29 AM
 To: Talk Openstreetmap; Help for newbie mappers
 Subject: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers
 
 please, please when doing the armchair mapping thing, be aware
 that aerial imagery may be several years out of date.
 
 yesterday i discovered that a highway reconfiguration i'd mapped
 in Rensselaer, NY had been realigned with the out-of-date bing
 aerial imagery. i was able to locate my GPX tracks and put it back,
 but i still had to revisit the site to re-verify some connecting roads.
 
 i had even put a README tag on the roads warning that the
 imagery was out of date, but the armchair mapper didn't bother
 to, you know, read the README.
 
 i don't object to careful armchair mapping, i do it myself, but
 you need to keep in mind that the imagery available may a number
 of years old. i can name a number of highways in the Capital District
 of NY where the imagery is old and the highways have been realigned
 and/or reconfigured.  this will be true in many places. if you see a
 mismatch, it would be a good idea to look at the history and try to
 contact the the mapper responsible for the mismatch first.
 
 thanks,
   richard
 
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[Talk-us] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Richard Welty
this is a summary of previous discussion on newbies  talk-us

we have an ongoing, persistent problem with armchair mappers
correcting the map to match out of date aerial imagery. i just
had to repair the map in Rensselaer, NY; the street named
Broadway was reconfigured in late 2012, and bing imagery is
out of date. a couple of months ago someone realigned my
edits to match the out of date bing imagery. others can and
have described similar situations.

i have started using the unofficial tag README whenever i
make edits that differ from current bing imagery; i usually
place the date of the note in ISO format at the beginning
of the text. for example, here is the note i placed on the
road in Rensselaer:

2013-01-15 - reconfiguration of road not yet fully reflected in aerial
imagery. do not conform this road to current imagery.

this has mostly worked, but in this specific case the armchair
mapper chose not to read the note, or read it and dismissed it.

so i have two things in mind here:

1) formalize the README tag as a way to caution future mappers

2) request editor support, when someone goes to change a
README tagged entity, it would be nice if editors would popup
a dialog saying something along the lines of

Warning: read the following before making any changes to this
object README text follows

other suggestions that have been made have included trying to
make the dates on which imagery was collected more obvious,
adding warnings when edits are newer than available imagery
(or newer than the imagery layer currently being displayed),
and pressing to get more current imagery into place.

does anyone have any thoughts on how to approach this?

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Re: [Talk-us] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Shawn K. Quinn
On Thu, 2015-06-11 at 13:27 -0400, Richard Welty wrote:
 so i have two things in mind here:
 
 1) formalize the README tag as a way to caution future mappers
 
 2) request editor support, when someone goes to change a
 README tagged entity, it would be nice if editors would popup
 a dialog saying something along the lines of
 
 Warning: read the following before making any changes to this
 object README text follows

The only improvement I can suggest is to add an optional but recommended
README:date with a date in ISO 8601 format, or some other way of dating
the README tag on an object. We should also work on standardizing a way
of date-stamping imagery going forward; as stated elsewhere Bing does
this already, but Bing is not the alpha and omega of aerial photography.

Another possibility that goes along with this would be for editors to
support highlighting cases where the changes are known to post-date the
aerial photography by a significant amount of time. Also, I don't see
anything in the terms of use for Bing's imagery that prohibit us from
marking specific tiles as out-of-date based on our data. Did I miss
something?

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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Richard Welty
On 6/11/15 1:27 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote:
 Shouldn’t be too hard to add this: https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS

 Unfortunately, the WMS server seems to be misbehaving right now. I
 sent a note to what I hope are the right people about that.

i had found Randy's page back when Darrell brought it up, and
verified that 2013 NYS imagery was available from NAIP that
clearly showed the road reconfiguration that's missing from Bing.
so the NAIP stuff has been seen working recently.

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Re: [Talk-us] README tag with editor support

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Clifford Snow
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net
wrote:

 1) formalize the README tag as a way to caution future mappers

 2) request editor support, when someone goes to change a
 README tagged entity, it would be nice if editors would popup
 a dialog saying something along the lines of

 Warning: read the following before making any changes to this
 object README text follows

 other suggestions that have been made have included trying to
 make the dates on which imagery was collected more obvious,
 adding warnings when edits are newer than available imagery
 (or newer than the imagery layer currently being displayed),
 and pressing to get more current imagery into place.

 does anyone have any thoughts on how to approach this?



This certainly needs an editor fix. iD doesn't pick up a readme=* tag so
the user isn't even aware someone wrote a warning message.

The readme tag is more of a bandaid. A better way might be to capture the
image date as a tag. The editor could then issue a warning message if the
image date is older than the feature being modified. Not sure how this
would work when different zoom levels have different dates. For example, if
I see a road at zoom 14, but not at 19, I might use a little of both zoom
levels to draw the feature.

In any event, we need a way to warn the editor.

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Re: [Talk-us] a plea to armchair mappers

2015-06-11 Diskussionsfäden Darrell Fuhriman
Yes, it has. I was using it not all that long ago.

I’m sure it’s just a temporary outage.

d.


 On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:59, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:
 
 On 6/11/15 1:27 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote:
 Shouldn’t be too hard to add this: https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS 
 https://github.com/rjhale1971/NAIP_WMS
 
 Unfortunately, the WMS server seems to be misbehaving right now. I sent a 
 note to what I hope are the right people about that.
 
 i had found Randy's page back when Darrell brought it up, and
 verified that 2013 NYS imagery was available from NAIP that
 clearly showed the road reconfiguration that's missing from Bing.
 so the NAIP stuff has been seen working recently.
 
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