Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Ashley Kyd wrote: > > (Also, I'm not going to stick around and work out where the attack > > perimeter is. You can do that. They're nasty creatures. ;) > > Don't forget it should be verifiable, too :) > > ___ magpies are very intelligent creatures they can tell the time (they know when the postie is coming) and they can tell a young male human from less aggressive female humans so the local magpies ignore some people and fearlessly attack others ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Gold Coast railway line from Robina to Varsite Lakes
I've done some stealthy data gathering and concluded the following: It looks like the railway's mostly following the highway down, and there's a 300 metre long tunnel under Easthill Drive (which isn't in OpenStreetMap, but is close to Robina Station.) All other roads have bridges over the rail. You can actually see where they've cut out the route (I presume) in Google Maps. Comparing it with the CG flythrough on the QR site, it seems to match. I've done up an artist's rendition; completely unverifiable, probably not appropriate for OSM, and quite possibly wrong. It's probably the best you'll get until someone goes down there with a GPS. :) http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/759/mapoq.png Ash. On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 13:45 +1000, John Smith wrote: > 2009/9/11 Ashley Kyd : > > I'm sure someone will ride it and take a trace when it opens at least. > > The Go Card fares don't look too bad for an one-off trip: $16.12 return > > from the city. > > > > I doubt there's much more anyone could do other than maybe petition QR > > Limited (is that what they're called now) for some data? > > If someone decides to ask QR, try and get the rest of the lines in QLD > too, that data is a lot harder to come by, especially disused track. > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ashley Kyd • Web & Software Development in Brisbane, Australia. • Phone (07) 3129 2332, or visit http://kyd.com.au/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Gold Coast railway line from Robina to Varsite Lakes
2009/9/11 Ashley Kyd : > I've done some stealthy data gathering and concluded the following: > > It looks like the railway's mostly following the highway down, and > there's a 300 metre long tunnel under Easthill Drive (which isn't in > OpenStreetMap, but is close to Robina Station.) All other roads have > bridges over the rail. > > You can actually see where they've cut out the route (I presume) in > Google Maps. Comparing it with the CG flythrough on the QR site, it > seems to match. > > I've done up an artist's rendition; completely unverifiable, probably > not appropriate for OSM, and quite possibly wrong. It's probably the > best you'll get until someone goes down there with a GPS. :) > > http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/759/mapoq.png This is why I thought it might be guessable, just put the attributation as "extrapolated based on ..." ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas
2009/9/11 Liz : > magpies are very intelligent creatures > they can tell the time (they know when the postie is coming) > and they can tell a young male human from less aggressive female humans > > so the local magpies ignore some people and fearlessly attack others The magpies close to here don't swoop anyone, that has me stumped... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas
Maybe because they are not nesting at the moment. 2009/9/11 John Smith > 2009/9/11 Liz : > > > magpies are very intelligent creatures > > they can tell the time (they know when the postie is coming) > > and they can tell a young male human from less aggressive female humans > > > > so the local magpies ignore some people and fearlessly attack others > > The magpies close to here don't swoop anyone, that has me stumped... > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:19:22 +1000 Roy Wallace wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 2:15 PM, John Smith > wrote: > > > > > > Unless waste_basket=yes is an "approved" tag the likelihood of it > > being searched by anyone not using the tag is almost nil So the bonus is that it works now and (arguably) isn't wrong. > > Hence the question about whether to put it on the wiki. Yeah, I don't know the best approach. I've seen all kinds of approaches and they all end up in argument ~:| > > I guess this is one specific case of the broader problem of what to do > when two separate entities are co-located (i.e. nodes would be right > on top of each other). Well, it depends what you're calling the "bus stop". If you go with the "stop area" approach, these problems go away. > In this case I guess you could use > highway=bus_stop *and* amenity=waste_basket (i.e. share a single > node), but this becomes a problem when you want to tag two things with > the same key, e.g. amenity=bench *and* amenity=shelter. That old chestnut. That is schema fail, but the cabal won't see reason. It's always popping up stopping us from representing the real world. Got the t-shirt. Cheers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:44:55 +1000 Ashley Kyd wrote: > As far as I know, it's a problem in different locations from year to > year though. That would mean it needs cleaning up each year after the > magpie season's over. > Assuming they nest reasonably consistently in the same place year after year (maybe not), there would be no harm in keeping it there as a "hazard=magpie_nesting_area" or such. (I just made that up.) > It'd be good if we could set some kind of node expiry tag to flag > nodes and ways for deletion in 3 months time (or however long the > problem is likely to last,) but otherwise it sounds like a bit too > much hassle. > I'd like that, too. It's also been discussed regarding temporary features like events and road closures and seasonal features. T-shirt. Anyway, it might be one of those things like bus timetables that are best kept separate to OSM. > > (Also, I'm not going to stick around and work out where the attack > perimeter is. You can do that. They're nasty creatures. ;) > Let's see who the dedicated mappers are. :D Cheers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas
2009/9/11 Andrew Laughton : > Maybe because they are not nesting at the moment. No, they're nesting and even when the young chicks are just out of the nest they don't either. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas
2009/9/11 Hugh Barnes : > Let's see who the dedicated mappers are. :D Are we really out of things to map? :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New POI mapping application
Due to things beyond my control it has taken till today to sort out the licensing on the map library, but that's now done and the BB and Android apps are now available for download. They're designed so literally anyone can add a point of interest anywhere any time. http://maps.bigtincan.com/btc-mapper.php ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Hugh Barnes wrote: > >> I guess this is one specific case of the broader problem of what to do >> when two separate entities are co-located (i.e. nodes would be right >> on top of each other). > > Well, it depends what you're calling the "bus stop". If you go with the > "stop area" approach, these problems go away. A waste_basket bolted to a bus_stop sign. I think it would still be an issue. Unless you use the centre of the sign pole and the centre of the hole in the top of the waste_basket...urgh time to move on :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Hugh Barnes wrote: > > I'd like that, too. It's also been discussed regarding temporary > features like events and road closures and seasonal features. T-shirt. I'm guessing you've seen the following proposal (early stages)? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/4th_Dimension ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 08:36:10 +1000 Roy Wallace wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Hugh Barnes > wrote: > > > > I'd like that, too. It's also been discussed regarding temporary > > features like events and road closures and seasonal features. > > T-shirt. > > I'm guessing you've seen the following proposal (early stages)? > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/4th_Dimension No, but I've seen discussions like this. They may be confusing two separate features here, both of which I support: * a wayback-machine type interface into OSM data (what did the map look like a year ago? All retrievable by URL would be nice :) * a way to add temporal scope to OSM objects, so that renderers and routing software can decide whether to ignore them depending on the current time and date (Magpie areas would be in the second category BTW.) Hmm … Cheers ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] talk-au emails have weird delivery times
Is it just me, or do the talk-au emails frequently arrive very much out of sequence? Its not uncommon for me to receive peoples responses before the original email arrives. I haven't noticed it quite so much on on the talk/import/legal lists. Jeff. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] talk-au emails have weird delivery times
2009/9/12 Jeff Price : > Is it just me, or do the talk-au emails frequently arrive very much out of > sequence? Its not uncommon for me to receive peoples responses before the > original email arrives. I haven't noticed it quite so much on on the > talk/import/legal lists. Spam filtering is probably delaying emails. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Out of date sat imagery
I've slowly been adding roads and such along the Sunshine Coast in Qld where there is hi-res sat imagery, however due to the fact it's a high growth area sat imagery gets out of date reasonably quickly, so I started a new section of the Qld wiki page to cover this to make it easier for people that would like something to do on the ground that can't be done from imagery. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikiproject_Queensland#Areas_with_out_of_data_hi-res_imagery ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Out of date sat imagery
Just in case anyone hasn't seen it, there's a vote on Google's Data Liberation project for sorting the license on their own satellite imagery. http://url.ie/2ero -- Excuse the short url, the long one's especially long. Ash. On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 13:17 +1000, John Smith wrote: > I've slowly been adding roads and such along the Sunshine Coast in Qld > where there is hi-res sat imagery, however due to the fact it's a high > growth area sat imagery gets out of date reasonably quickly, so I > started a new section of the Qld wiki page to cover this to make it > easier for people that would like something to do on the ground that > can't be done from imagery. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wikiproject_Queensland#Areas_with_out_of_data_hi-res_imagery > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ashley Kyd • Web & Software Development in Brisbane, Australia. • Phone (07) 3129 2332, or visit http://kyd.com.au/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
