Re: [talk-au] [Fwd:[OpenStreetMap] Tagging Tidal Ways]
On 26 May 2010 15:38, David Murn wrote: > Apparently it stays open during fri/sat and sun/mon when the direction > doesnt change. Ok to cover that and prevent confusion with day changes you might do this: oneway=tidal oneway:forward=Mo 00:30-02:00; Mo-Fr 02:00-12:30; Sa-Su,PH 14:00-00:30 oneway:reverse=Sa 00:30-02:00; Sa-Su,PH 02:00-12:30; Mo-Fr 14:00-00:30 Although even that isn't 100% perfect, what happens when a public holiday falls in the middle of a week, but is close. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_lane#Examples also shows that > its not a unique situation, maybe its worth a look at how others have > worked with it. I didn't think it was unique, but it would be reasonably rare, so finding something similar that has been tagged in a suitable way might be hard. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [Fwd:[OpenStreetMap] Tagging Tidal Ways]
A quick check on wikipedia found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Expressway#Operation Apparently it stays open during fri/sat and sun/mon when the direction doesnt change. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_lane#Examples also shows that its not a unique situation, maybe its worth a look at how others have worked with it. David On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 15:12 +1000, John Smith wrote: > On 26 May 2010 10:37, John Smith wrote: > > oneway:forward=Mo-Fr 02:00-12:30; Sa-Su,PH 14:00-00:30 > > oneway:reverse=Mo-Fr 14:00-00:30; Sa-Su,PH 02:00-12:30 > > access:no=12:30-14:00; 00:30-02:00 > > Something occurred to me earlier, what happens during the 2 change > over events where the direction of traffic doesn't change, does it > just stay open or does it still close? > > eg Fr night/Sa morning at 00:30 Su night/Mo morning at 00:30 > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [Fwd:[OpenStreetMap] Tagging Tidal Ways]
On 26 May 2010 10:37, John Smith wrote: > oneway:forward=Mo-Fr 02:00-12:30; Sa-Su,PH 14:00-00:30 > oneway:reverse=Mo-Fr 14:00-00:30; Sa-Su,PH 02:00-12:30 > access:no=12:30-14:00; 00:30-02:00 Something occurred to me earlier, what happens during the 2 change over events where the direction of traffic doesn't change, does it just stay open or does it still close? eg Fr night/Sa morning at 00:30 Su night/Mo morning at 00:30 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [Fwd:[OpenStreetMap] Tagging Tidal Ways]
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 17:29 -0700, Simon Biber wrote: > David wrote: > > In summary, it is 21km long and is one-way for 10.5hrs, dual-way > > for 1.5hr, then one-way in the opposite direction for 10.5hrs and > > dual-way again for 1.5hr. Then just for fun, on weekends, the > > day/night pattern is reversed. > > David, as a local resident I can tell you the Southern Expressway is > never dual-way. In between the one-way periods, it's closed for > changeover (access=no), while operators review video cameras covering > the whole length to ensure no vehicles remain on the road. I dont live in the area, and only found the way due to its funny tagging (ie. 'How on earth do i tag this'), hence why I threw the query out to the mailing list for any advice on how to fix the situation. > Also, it's not just weekends but also public holidays which use the > reversed pattern. > > John wrote: > > Sorry, forgot about weekends: > > > > oneway:forward=Mon-Fri 00:00-10:30; Sat-Sun 12:00-22:30 > > oneway:reverse=Mon-Fri 12:00-22:30; Sat-Sun 00:00-10:30 > > John, the start time is 2am, not midnight. As mentioned in my original email. I only summarized the email that I also attached to the end of my original email, to give the concept between a one-way that changes at different times. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations
On Wed, 26 May 2010 10:28:24 +1000 John Smith wrote: > On 26 May 2010 10:23, Alex Lum wrote: > > > > > v='http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_9150' /> > > > > Should these keys be "attribution" instead of "attributation"? > > Ross spotted that last week and they should since fixed it, unless I > missed some? All seem ok now. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [Fwd:[OpenStreetMap] Tagging Tidal Ways]
On 26 May 2010 10:29, Simon Biber wrote: > oneway:forward=Mon-Fri 02:00-12:30; Sat-Sun+Hol 14:00-00:30 > oneway:reverse=Mon-Fri 14:00-00:30; Sat-Sun+Hol 02:00-12:30 > access:no=12:30-14:00; 00:30-02:00 Instead of Hol, PH was defined on opening_hours: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:opening_hours#Syntax Also it's 2 letter days, which I should have known, but it's been a while since I've tagged opening_hours... so... oneway:forward=Mo-Fr 02:00-12:30; Sa-Su,PH 14:00-00:30 oneway:reverse=Mo-Fr 14:00-00:30; Sa-Su,PH 02:00-12:30 access:no=12:30-14:00; 00:30-02:00 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [Fwd:[OpenStreetMap] Tagging Tidal Ways]
David wrote: > In summary, it is 21km long and is one-way for 10.5hrs, dual-way > for 1.5hr, then one-way in the opposite direction for 10.5hrs and > dual-way again for 1.5hr. Then just for fun, on weekends, the > day/night pattern is reversed. David, as a local resident I can tell you the Southern Expressway is never dual-way. In between the one-way periods, it's closed for changeover (access=no), while operators review video cameras covering the whole length to ensure no vehicles remain on the road. Also, it's not just weekends but also public holidays which use the reversed pattern. John wrote: > Sorry, forgot about weekends: > > oneway:forward=Mon-Fri 00:00-10:30; Sat-Sun 12:00-22:30 > oneway:reverse=Mon-Fri 12:00-22:30; Sat-Sun 00:00-10:30 John, the start time is 2am, not midnight. Perhaps we can use: oneway:forward=Mon-Fri 02:00-12:30; Sat-Sun+Hol 14:00-00:30 oneway:reverse=Mon-Fri 14:00-00:30; Sat-Sun+Hol 02:00-12:30 access:no=12:30-14:00; 00:30-02:00 See here for more information: http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/transport_network/traffic_ops/southern_express.asp Regards, Simon ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations
On 26 May 2010 10:23, Alex Lum wrote: > > /> > > Should these keys be "attribution" instead of "attributation"? Ross spotted that last week and they should since fixed it, unless I missed some? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Broadcast tower locations
Should these keys be "attribution" instead of "attributation"? Alex. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [Fwd:[OpenStreetMap] Tagging Tidal Ways]
On 26 May 2010 08:09, John Smith wrote: > On 26 May 2010 03:07, David Murn wrote: >> I received this follow-up email to a query about some strange tagging. >> I thought it was worth throwing out there to get the lists opinion on >> the appropriate way to tag this road. In summary, it is 21km long and >> is one-way for 10.5hrs, dual-way for 1.5hr, then one-way in the opposite >> direction for 10.5hrs and dual-way again for 1.5hr. Then just for fun, >> on weekends, the day/night pattern is reversed. > > I've also seen roads that are one way in a particular direction based > on when the school bus is running and in which direction it is running > at that time of day. > > There doesn't seem to be much point looking at opening_hours=* > tagging, since that generally only covers on or off. > > The whole section of road would need to have the direction of the way > in the same direction so you could make simple references to > forward/backward. > > After that it comes down to making stuff up and see how much flak you > cop on the tagging list :D > > Since you didn't mention a starting time, I'm going to assume midnight. > > oneway:forward=00:00-10:30 > oneway:reversed=12:00-22:30 > Sorry, forgot about weekends: oneway:forward=Mon-Fri 00:00-10:30; Sat-Sun 12:00-22:30 oneway:reverse=Mon-Fri 12:00-22:30; Sat-Sun 00:00-10:30 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [Fwd:[OpenStreetMap] Tagging Tidal Ways]
On 26 May 2010 03:07, David Murn wrote: > I received this follow-up email to a query about some strange tagging. > I thought it was worth throwing out there to get the lists opinion on > the appropriate way to tag this road. In summary, it is 21km long and > is one-way for 10.5hrs, dual-way for 1.5hr, then one-way in the opposite > direction for 10.5hrs and dual-way again for 1.5hr. Then just for fun, > on weekends, the day/night pattern is reversed. I've also seen roads that are one way in a particular direction based on when the school bus is running and in which direction it is running at that time of day. There doesn't seem to be much point looking at opening_hours=* tagging, since that generally only covers on or off. The whole section of road would need to have the direction of the way in the same direction so you could make simple references to forward/backward. After that it comes down to making stuff up and see how much flak you cop on the tagging list :D Since you didn't mention a starting time, I'm going to assume midnight. oneway:forward=00:00-10:30 oneway:reversed=12:00-22:30 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] [Fwd:[OpenStreetMap] Tagging Tidal Ways]
I received this follow-up email to a query about some strange tagging. I thought it was worth throwing out there to get the lists opinion on the appropriate way to tag this road. In summary, it is 21km long and is one-way for 10.5hrs, dual-way for 1.5hr, then one-way in the opposite direction for 10.5hrs and dual-way again for 1.5hr. Then just for fun, on weekends, the day/night pattern is reversed. The way involved is http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/29157697 *grabs the popcorn* Forwarded Message From: jackb To: davey Subject: [OpenStreetMap] jackb sent you a new message Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:28:07 +0100 Hi dvaey, jackb has sent you a message through OpenStreetMap with the subject Re: Strange tags from you on OSM?: == On Thu Apr 15 23:20:25 UTC 2010 dvaey wrote: > G'day mate, > > I was seaching for a streetname in OSM named 'Howie' and came across an edit > you made about 18 months ago in Adelaide, with the following tag: > > > > Im happy enough to fix the tagging but am unsure what you mean by tidal > one-way. Sorry to take so long to respond -- have been away from OSM for some time. That must have been the Southern Expressway -- it's a rather bizarre road. At 21km in length, it's probably the world's longest one-way street. It's "tidal" in that it changes direction to suit traffic patterns at different times of day. During the week, it's one-way in the Northbound direction between 2am-12:30pm, one-way Southbound between 2pm-12:30am, and entry prohibited for changeover between 12:30am-2am & between 12:30pm-2pm. Just to make things more confusing, on weekends & public holidays, the Northbound & Southbound time-slots get swapped around! I couldn't figure out how to represent such a strange road accurately in OSM way back when I left those tags you saw. And I still can't figure it out now. I'm beginning to think that it might not be possible. For more information on the Southern Expressway, see http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/transport_network/traffic_ops/southern_express.asp Regards, Jackb. == You can also read the message at http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/read/114214 and you can reply at http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/reply/114214 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline
On 25 May 2010 20:28, Markus wrote: > You still haven't explained how to check the whole coastline is joined with > JOSM. You mensioned JOSM has a validation checker that should be used for > this kind of thing. Click to display the validation plugin panel or press Alt+Shift+V then click on the validate button, make sure nothing is selected or only the selection with be validated, you could make things a little more specific by first searching for natural=coastline segments. > The renders I create for Garmin Mapsource has problems if the coastline > isn't joined. So does mapnik, but they cheated to get round most problems by creating a shape file first. > The 2000 node limit for polygons is documented to be over come by using a > relation. Which was made redundent by creating shape files from the coastline segments before relations existed, although this is probably still a lot more useful. > The maritime borders are 12nm out to sea from the coastline. See below link. Yes, but coastlines should be much less nodes otherwise you start hitting problems similar to those in the Philippines... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] T-Shirts
John Smith wrote: On 25 May 2010 19:39, Richard Colless wrote: You can also buy a special "Iron-On Transfer" paper at specialist paper supply shops, and print your own design, using any standard inkjet printer. Works really well, as long as you remember to mirror-reverse any text. Works out at a couple of dollars per transfer, and is a great way to test out prototype designs. I thought that the transfers don't last very long? They are reasonably durable if they are hand washed rather than machine washed. My wife has some personalised Bonds Cottontails that are now about 2 years old and still looking good. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline
-Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 7:38 PM To: Markus Cc: OSM Australian Talk List Subject: Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline > Are you able to explain how to check easily with JOSM if part of the > coastline is missing? >JOSM often complains too much about missing or lacking coastlines... You still haven't explained how to check the whole coastline is joined with JOSM. You mensioned JOSM has a validation checker that should be used for this kind of thing. The renders I create for Garmin Mapsource has problems if the coastline isn't joined. > With reading about all the rendering problems with coastline not being a > continuous polygon a relation seemed the best way. >Coastlines should be a polygon, but can't be for various reasons, such >as a 2000 node limit. The 2000 node limit for polygons is documented to be over come by using a relation. > 1) I was also planning to use the relations in for the maritime borders as > the baseline as per my original email that no one commented on. > Maritime borders are 12nm out to sea, not along the coastline. The maritime borders are 12nm out to sea from the coastline. See below link. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Maritime_borders No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2894 - Release Date: 05/25/10 03:56:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2894 - Release Date: 05/25/10 03:56:00 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline
On 25 May 2010 20:01, Markus wrote: > Are you able to explain how to check easily with JOSM if part of the > coastline is missing? JOSM often complains too much about missing or lacking coastlines... > With reading about all the rendering problems with coastline not being a > continuous polygon a relation seemed the best way. Coastlines should be a polygon, but can't be for various reasons, such as a 2000 node limit. > 1) I was also planning to use the relations in for the maritime borders as > the baseline as per my original email that no one commented on. Maritime borders are 12nm out to sea, not along the coastline. > 2) Consistent naming of coastline per state for boating with only the name > needing to be in the relation. Why do coastline segments have names? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline
Are you able to explain how to check easily with JOSM if part of the coastline is missing? With reading about all the rendering problems with coastline not being a continuous polygon a relation seemed the best way. 2 other reasons for a coastline relation. 1) I was also planning to use the relations in for the maritime borders as the baseline as per my original email that no one commented on. 2) Consistent naming of coastline per state for boating with only the name needing to be in the relation. With creating the relations I decided to make a coastline relation per state to cut down on the amount needed to download for a specific state. Markus -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 8:47 AM To: Markus Cc: OSM Australian Talk List Subject: Re: [talk-au] Australian Coastline On 24 May 2010 21:33, Markus wrote: > the coastline from mgkmap creations. I thought it would be a good exercise > to see if relations will help. Error checking doesn't seem to me to be a good idea to use relations, JOSM has a validation checker that should be used for this kind of thing. > I also plan to add some coastline national parks that are split at the > coastline and plan to use the relations for checking my work. Add a relation if you have a valid reason to use one, like sharing a boundary between sections of land based national park and marine park, but using a relation for error checking seems wrong to me. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2894 - Release Date: 05/25/10 03:56:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2894 - Release Date: 05/25/10 03:56:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2894 - Release Date: 05/25/10 03:56:00 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] T-Shirts
On 25 May 2010 19:39, Richard Colless wrote: > You can also buy a special "Iron-On Transfer" paper at specialist paper > supply shops, and print your own design, using any standard inkjet printer. > Works really well, as long as you remember to mirror-reverse any text. Works > out at a couple of dollars per transfer, and is a great way to test out > prototype designs. I thought that the transfers don't last very long? There is some cheap screen printing methods if you want to save some $$$ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H_utRjIGsc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] T-Shirts
John Smith wrote: On 23 May 2010 21:50, John Smith wrote: interested, I don't have any designs in mind, or any other planning. Thanks to Sam for pointing out this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tshirt_competition Also Harvey Norman via fujifilmimagine.com will do full colour printing on shirts for $30 and you get free delivery to your nearest store, which seems to be the best full colour printing deal to me without a lot of volume. You can also buy a special "Iron-On Transfer" paper at specialist paper supply shops, and print your own design, using any standard inkjet printer. Works really well, as long as you remember to mirror-reverse any text. Works out at a couple of dollars per transfer, and is a great way to test out prototype designs. Richard C. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
