Re: [talk-au] Platform names

[Andrew Davidson]

On 21/3/19 11:26, Thomas Manson wrote:

1) First of all, is my understanding correct? It should be the station name.


Depends on which version you'd like to believe. The original proposal 
for public_transport=platform 
(https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?oldid=625726#Platform) said:


"The name by which the platform is known."

someone has later decided to change this. Which one is "correct"? When 
using PTv2 I stick to just the original proposal description as the 
various "translations" has made it harder and harder to understand (in 
other words the platform name is fine).


However, I'd split them into single platforms, there's no need to 
combine them.



2) Secondly, should the name be Central or Central Station (assuming 1 is 
correct)?


Central is the short name, Central Station is the full name.

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Re: [talk-au] Platform names

[cleary]

On any map, more detail is generally preferred to less detail, provided that 
the information is useful.

I use Central reasonably often. There were 25 platforms (a couple now closed 
for new construction) and platform 1 is a fair way from platform 25. I think 
most users would benefit from having the locations of individual platforms 
identified on a map. I think the current rendering on the map is useful and 
correct. Removing platform numbers would be unhelpful.

Perhaps the Wiki needs to change. And information in a Wiki is guidance not 
gospel - there may occasionally be good reason to do something differently. 
Very few railway stations would be as large as Sydney's Central and what works 
on smaller stations, does not necessarily work for Central. 

I like it the way it is now because it is the most useful i can imagine.

In regard to reference numbers, each platform at Central has a transport 
reference number (similar to bus stop numbers). For example I think, but am not 
certain, that platform 6 is 2000326 and platform 7 is 2000327 - but this comes 
from data for which we do not have permission. If we can get access to such 
data, then these numbers would use the "ref" tag. These reference numbers are 
possibly used for routing but platforms are signposted and known to the public 
as "Platform 6" or "Platform 7" etc.








On Thu, 21 Mar 2019, at 11:28 AM, Thomas Manson wrote:
> Looking at Central Station, Sydney, the platform names are things like 
> 'Platform 4+5'. (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6015392)
> 
> 
> From my reading of 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Apublic_transport%3Dplatform, this 
> should be 
> the name of the station , so in this case that would be either Central or 
> Central Station, with the platform numbers as the ref tag (which is already 
> populated).
> 
> 1) First of all, is my understanding correct? It should be the station name.
> 2) Secondly, should the name be Central or Central Station (assuming 1 is 
> correct)?
> 
> Regards,
> Thomas
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[talk-au] Platform names

[Thomas Manson]

Looking at Central Station, Sydney, the platform names are things like 
'Platform 4+5'. (https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6015392)


>From my reading of 
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Apublic_transport%3Dplatform, this 
>should be
the name of the station , so in this case that would be either Central or 
Central Station, with the platform numbers as the ref tag (which is already 
populated).

1) First of all, is my understanding correct? It should be the station name.
2) Secondly, should the name be Central or Central Station (assuming 1 is 
correct)?

Regards,
Thomas
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Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon

[Sebastian S.]

Hi all,
Since I'm new to the area I would firstly like to meet other mappers from OZ 
and put a face to a name.
Secondly my interest is then onto mapping OZ because this is where I'm as a 
user and data consumer. I'm open to HOT and missing maps etc but it is not at 
the top of my list.
I would not expect talks at a first meeting, likely we'll end up chatting and 
the 2 hours will be gone in a whiff.

Cheers Sebastian
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

On 20 March 2019 6:02:49 pm AEDT, Dion Moult  wrote:
>Hi Andrew,
>
>I'm not entirely sure what we might get up to. I'm keen for some hands
>on work, and it'd be good to double up as a local meetup if one doesn't
>already exist. I'm sure we all love to map locally too, so please do
>come if you can :)
>
>A mix of presentations does sound really good. Maybe not for the first
>meet up, but perhaps for subsequent ones?
>
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>
> Original Message 
>On 20 Mar. 2019, 4:31 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>
>>> Casual meetup of Sydney based OSM mappers, let's meet up and do some
>humanitarian mapping tasks on HOTOSM!
>>
>> Dion, is the intention to be a local OSM meetup + a Missing Maps
>(http://www.missingmaps.org) style humanitarian mapathon?
>>
>> Should I come if I'm interested in Australian OSM, but not interested
>in remote mapping outside Australia?
>>
>> There's been two Missing Maps events in the past in Sydney that I
>know of and both times almost all attendees were new to OSM, so it
>didn't act as a local community meetup.
>>
>> I'm very interested in a Sydney OSM event for locals to catch up
>about all things OSM. I think a mix of presentations + social is
>perfect, like GeoRabble, https://georabble.org. I see that as a bit
>different to a mapathon, which is a bit of into followed by actual
>hands on work.
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:08, Dion Moult  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all! I've started an event here:
>https://gettogether.community/events/1001/sydney-osm-mappers/
>>>
>>> If you could sign up or comment there I can change the venue and
>time easily without spamming the talk-au list. I've changed the date to
>30th March Saturday . it would also allow me to know who is coming and
>what to cater for if we get food.
>>>
>>> My company in north sydney is open on weekends and I've received
>approval for using computers and guest WiFi. Also informal approval for
>getting pizza and drinks (non alcoholic).
>>>
>>> Need a bit more approval from management to let strangers in the
>office (I will be liable, obviously) but I suspect I can host.
>>>
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>>>
>>>  Original Message 
>>> On 18 Mar. 2019, 2:34 pm, David Wales < daviewa...@disroot.org>
>wrote:
>>>
 Hi Ben and Dion,

 Saturdays are normally good, but I'm moving house on the 23rd!
 So if that's the date, I won't be able to make it.

 Regards,
 David Wales

 On 18/3/19 1:29 pm, Ben Kelley wrote:
> Practically it will probably need to be a weekday evening, as we
>are not
> open on the weekend.
>
> Also it will need to be a time I can make it. :)
>
>
>  - Ben Kelley
>
> On 18/3/19 13:03, Dion Moult wrote:
>> Hey Ben! Thanks for the option!
>>
>> I'm going to tentatively suggest meeting this Saturday, 23rd
>March,
>> say after lunch, so 2:30pm? Just for a very informal mapping
>session
>> to see how things go, doesn't have to be a large crowd or
>anything?
>>
>> Ben, do you think it will be possible for us to use your office
>at
>> that time? I do not have a laptop, so I'm not sure if computers
>can be
>> used, or if that is against company policy?
>>
>> My company in North Sydney, walking distance from the train
>station,
>> offers wifi, but although I've started asking internally, there
>is a
>> little red tape before they might say yes to anything like
>providing
>> refreshments and allowing strangers in the office. Although I
>think
>> they might support this.
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>>
>>

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Re: [talk-au] new OpenStreetCam competition

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi Ross, 
It shouldn’t be long at all before the trip shows up on your own profile page. 
You should see it appearing there even as it uploads. After uploading,  it may 
show as ‘processing’ for a little while as OSC adds privacy blurring and sign 
detections. After that is done, the trip should be publicly visible, in most 
cases within hours if not minutes. At that time the images should appear in 
JOSM and iD as well.
Let me know 
Martijn

> On Mar 19, 2019, at 3:45 AM, Ross Scanlon  wrote:
> 
> Hi Martijin,
> 
> When an upload completes how long should it take to show on the 
> openstreetcam.org website?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ross
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 19/03/19 01:08, Martijn van Exel wrote:
>> Howdy.
>> 
>> We had a good time with the first OpenStreetCam competition, the winners 
>> received their prizes, and we decided to hold another one. The main prize 
>> this time is an OSC Waylens Horizon camera. This is a fairly nifty device 
>> that lets you automatically record and upload to OSC. The competition is 
>> open now until April 15th. As before, just collect more OSC points than 
>> other mappers to win. Read details on the Telenav ImproveOSM blog: 
>> http://blog.improveosm.org/en/2019/03/announcing-the-second-openstreetcam-australia-and-new-zealand-competition/
>>  
>> 
>>  .
>> 
>> Related: 
>> * A previous blog post 
>> 
>>  about the impact of competition number 1 
>> * the OpenStreetCam JOSM plugin 
>> 
>>  was just updated with some new features as well.
>> 
>> Let me know if you have any questions, and Happy mapping!
>> -- 
>>  Martijn van Exel
>>  m...@rtijn.org 
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Re: [talk-au] Sydney mapathon

[Dion Moult]

Hi Andrew,

I'm not entirely sure what we might get up to. I'm keen for some hands on work, 
and it'd be good to double up as a local meetup if one doesn't already exist. 
I'm sure we all love to map locally too, so please do come if you can :)

A mix of presentations does sound really good. Maybe not for the first meet up, 
but perhaps for subsequent ones?

Sent from ProtonMail mobile

 Original Message 
On 20 Mar. 2019, 4:31 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote:

>> Casual meetup of Sydney based OSM mappers, let's meet up and do some 
>> humanitarian mapping tasks on HOTOSM!
>
> Dion, is the intention to be a local OSM meetup + a Missing Maps 
> (http://www.missingmaps.org) style humanitarian mapathon?
>
> Should I come if I'm interested in Australian OSM, but not interested in 
> remote mapping outside Australia?
>
> There's been two Missing Maps events in the past in Sydney that I know of and 
> both times almost all attendees were new to OSM, so it didn't act as a local 
> community meetup.
>
> I'm very interested in a Sydney OSM event for locals to catch up about all 
> things OSM. I think a mix of presentations + social is perfect, like 
> GeoRabble, https://georabble.org. I see that as a bit different to a 
> mapathon, which is a bit of into followed by actual hands on work.
>
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:08, Dion Moult  wrote:
>
>> Hey all! I've started an event here: 
>> https://gettogether.community/events/1001/sydney-osm-mappers/
>>
>> If you could sign up or comment there I can change the venue and time easily 
>> without spamming the talk-au list. I've changed the date to 30th March 
>> Saturday . it would also allow me to know who is coming and what to cater 
>> for if we get food.
>>
>> My company in north sydney is open on weekends and I've received approval 
>> for using computers and guest WiFi. Also informal approval for getting pizza 
>> and drinks (non alcoholic).
>>
>> Need a bit more approval from management to let strangers in the office (I 
>> will be liable, obviously) but I suspect I can host.
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> On 18 Mar. 2019, 2:34 pm, David Wales < daviewa...@disroot.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Ben and Dion,
>>>
>>> Saturdays are normally good, but I'm moving house on the 23rd!
>>> So if that's the date, I won't be able to make it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> David Wales
>>>
>>> On 18/3/19 1:29 pm, Ben Kelley wrote:
 Practically it will probably need to be a weekday evening, as we are not
 open on the weekend.

 Also it will need to be a time I can make it. :)


  - Ben Kelley

 On 18/3/19 13:03, Dion Moult wrote:
> Hey Ben! Thanks for the option!
>
> I'm going to tentatively suggest meeting this Saturday, 23rd March,
> say after lunch, so 2:30pm? Just for a very informal mapping session
> to see how things go, doesn't have to be a large crowd or anything?
>
> Ben, do you think it will be possible for us to use your office at
> that time? I do not have a laptop, so I'm not sure if computers can be
> used, or if that is against company policy?
>
> My company in North Sydney, walking distance from the train station,
> offers wifi, but although I've started asking internally, there is a
> little red tape before they might say yes to anything like providing
> refreshments and allowing strangers in the office. Although I think
> they might support this.
>
> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>
>
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