Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Mass revert now??
lol again... you've gotta love argument by analogy... :) jim On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Really, you told him his car's not worth shit and you don't want it unless he also joins Family First. Even though yesterday you said you'd like it and he should get it for you at considerable personal effort. _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URLs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Mass revert now??
not big on socratic logic, but best OSM ROFL analogy so far this year... :) jim On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Let's extend it further. John Smith shows up at my birthday party driving a new Mercedes which is his present to me. Then in conversation I let slip that I'm a Family First supporter. He says if you don't change your mind, you can't have the car. Well, I can't, and won't, so he refuses to hand me the keys. Although he leaves it parked on the lawn for a few months and kills the grass. It's his decision, and I can live with the dead grass, but to complain about ingratitude on my part is simply unfair. -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URLs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Aus. contact in Google Maps?
Does anyone know who in Australia we should be talking to about this sort of stuff? http://www.govtech.com/e-government/Google-Street-View-Off-Road-Imagery-030211.html In particular, what might be involved in getting Google to enter a (government) public site and do the streetview thing on internal paths, roads, etc.? jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URLs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] temp name change
Apparently from Yorkeshire, All the world is queer save thee and me, and even thou art a little queer. -- Robert Owen, 1828 This is how my dad used to quote it. Jim Nov 26 03, 6:19 PM On Monday, February 21, 2011, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:21:49 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Just out of curiosity, am I the only normal person on this email list? Steve everyone's odd except thee and me and even then i'm worried about thee sorry i can't recall the exact words of the quote nor do i know the original source ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URLs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Cool cartography geek stuff
http://www.maproomblog.com/2011/01/map_projections_applied_to_photos.php jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URIs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] some contemporary mapping mashup or (map mashupping)
http://mapvisage.appspot.com/static/floodmap/map.html jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URIs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] historical fascination with mapping stuff...
http://www.thejanuarist.com/5-fascinating-maps-of-london/ -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://about.me/jrc 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URIs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Interesting analysis of map readability
http://www.41latitude.com/post/2072504768/google-maps-label-readability Sent from mobile device ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] a local data compilation ruling that may be of interest
or not... http://minterstmt.blogspot.com/2010/12/no-copyright-in-white-and-yellow-pages.html jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URIs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] For those long winter evenings...
http://www.t-reichling.de/en/mocs_euromap.shtml ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] now, why would you want to do this?
http://prettymaps.stamen.com jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] OSM, eat your heart out... :)
http://8bitcity.com/map?London -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URIs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] interesting spatial visualization
sorry for the spate of mapspam, but this one is kinda cool... http://www.projectalbemarle.com/index.php?id=county -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URIs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM, eat your heart out... :)
*Now* we're talking.. :) jim On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: It'd be better like this: http://hello.eboy.com/eboy/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/FTN_CommunicationCity_06t.png :) b On 8 July 2010 19:21, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: http://8bitcity.com/map?London -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URIs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ben Last Development Manager (HyperWeb) NearMap Pty Ltd -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URIs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] ArcGIS editor for OSM
http://martenhogeweg.blogspot.com/2010/07/announcing-arcgis-editor-for.html jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) Please send URIs, not attachments: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] A cute map reading logo...
@jatorre this is a lovely logo from fortiousone http://yfrog.com/mrq2tp ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Things that would be nice if they rendered...
there is one near my place... will try and iPhone it this weekend... jim On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:33 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 June 2010 06:49, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I'm more than happy to go with barrier=horse_stile, given that established usage. I'll change the cavalettis I've already tagged, and look at putting a note on the map features page when I take some photos. Can someone get a picture of one of these that we can use on the wiki? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Another graphic use of OSM
@sebchan: Absolutely amazing analysis of geotagged photos - Locals vs Tourists #12 (GTWA #27): Sydney on Flickr - http://bit.ly/cMYTQO Original Tweet: http://twitter.com/sebchan/status/15692611438 Sent via TweetDeck (www.tweetdeck.com) Sent from mobile device ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Another graphic use of OSM
I don't really know... I was just looking at the mashup involving OSM data and thought it was pretty cool that a community effort gets used in ways we might not expect... jim On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: @sebchan: Absolutely amazing analysis of geotagged photos - Locals vs Tourists #12 (GTWA #27): Sydney on Flickr - http://bit.ly/cMYTQO Original Tweet: http://twitter.com/sebchan/status/15692611438 Um, a little bit of context would help. Whose photos? What does GTWA stand for? What are we looking at here? Steve -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
not really... it forces people to swing wide when making a right hand turn... assuming this is a good thing to do... jim On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 5:23 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: This roundabout seems decorative to me http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-35.921013,145.647941z=21t=knmd=20100122 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.
because it is there? and it you drive straight ahead and through rather than around it things could get ugly? jim On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: If a mini-roundabout conveys no useful information, why waste time putting it on the map? -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] White Cross painted on road - signifies what?
Airdrop emergency beer supply here jim On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:58, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: Hi, Whilst out getting GPS traces north of Brisbane I've noticed quite a few roads, usually at the end of a rural road, there will be a cross in white paint on the centre of road, sometimes with a bolt in the centre of the cross. Each arm of the cross is about a metre long. Anyone know what these are for? An example: Here's one on Nearmap at Ferny Grove : http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-27.39654,152.910356z=22t=knmd=20100123 Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Protected Planet shape files
Been trying to track down permission to use the Protected Planet shape files for OSM . From @jatorre: @emeyke @jim_croft @rdmpage we are right now working on downloads on protectedplanet.net so stay tuned.a data API will later be available It is a pretty open project so I am fairly sure it will happen. jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] followup on world database of protected areas
from @rdmpage: @Jim_Croft You can get KML for areas in individual countries after registering at http://www.wdpa.org but no @creativecommons license jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A problem area (maybe) for the someone in Canberra
I think there is a single track mountain bike course about there somewhere... it has that look about it and it appears that the same track has been gone over twice in some places. jim On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 16 Mar 2010, Simon Biber wrote: From: John Henderson snow...@gmx.com I live in Canberra and noticed the same thing some time ago. I haven't found an excuse yet to visit the specific area. But the history seems to indicate that it could be legit: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/16165199/history GPS trace of someone severely lost in the forest :-) Don't see how it could possibly be a cycleway track as tagged. Perhaps it's best to just delete it. There are some cuttings which could be traced from NearMap though. Regards Simon If a lot of free cover, it could be a poor GPS tracing. Needs resurvey. Have we asked the original mapper and got his/her information on the track? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Where do national/state park boundaries come from?
try http://www.protectedplanet.net/ as a place to start... jim On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I notice that we have some national park boundaries, but not all. Anyone know where they come from? Are there any usable sources of data? I can't see that attempting to find the boundaries by driving/walking around the park would be very fruitful. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Incorrectly expanding abbreviations
There is an almost universal rule in style manuals - full stop after an abbreviation, not after a contraction. but you can not control what people choose to do with 'style'... :) jim On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Michael Hampson mc.hamp...@gmail.com wrote: Banks statements have st.george as in the logo in the previous photo. It also has St.George in the text information section and St. George Bank Limited (with . and space) on the top right with their ABN etc. Regards, Michael Hampson Ph: 02 4739 4938 On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, John Smith wrote: On 10 March 2010 22:24, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: If you are correcting the bank name, it is actually St.George - includes the full stop, but no spaces. Check their website. I'll have to find a branch locally and see what's on their signs... http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=5505 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--potlatch
always wondered what a potlatch was... jim -- Forwarded message -- From: Wordsmith wsm...@wordsmith.org Date: Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM Subject: A.Word.A.Day--potlatch To: jim.cr...@gmail.com * Wordsmith.org*The Magic of Words Mar 3, 2010 *This week's theme* Words borrowed from various languages *This week's words* goulash http://wordsmith.org/words/goulash.html cabal http://wordsmith.org/words/cabal.html potlatch http://wordsmith.org/words/potlatch.html Potlatch [image: potlatch] http://wordsmith.org/words/images/potlatch_large.jpg (Artist: James Gilchrist Swan) -- http://wordsmith.org/board/ Discuss http://wordsmith.org/board/ http://wordsmith.org/awad/subscriber-form.cgi?request=feedbackusername=jim%2ecroft%40gmail%2ecom Feedbackhttp://wordsmith.org/awad/subscriber-form.cgi?request=feedbackusername=jim%2ecroft%40gmail%2ecom http://wordsmith.org/awad/rss1.xml RSS/XMLhttp://wordsmith.org/awad/rss1.xml -- [image: Bookmark and Share]http://addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250pub=anugargurl=http://wordsmith.org/words/potlatch.html [image: Facebook]http://www.facebook.com/share.php?u=http://wordsmith.org/words/potlatch.html [image: Twitter]http://twitter.com/home?status=http://wordsmith.org/words/potlatch.html [image: Digg]http://www.digg.com/submit?url=http://wordsmith.org/words/potlatch.html [image: MySpace]http://www.myspace.com/Modules/PostTo/Pages/?u=http://wordsmith.org/words/potlatch.html [image: Bookmark and Share]http://addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250pub=anugargurl=http://wordsmith.org/words/potlatch.html A.Word.A.Day with Anu Garg We've just hit the 900,000 http://wordsmith.org/awad/stats.htmlsubscriber mark, mostly by word of mouth. Thank you! Send a gift subscription of A.Word.A.Dayhttp://wordsmith.org/awad/subscriber-form.cgi?request=giftusername=jim%2ecroft%40gmail%2ecom. potlatch PRONUNCIATION: (POT-lach) http://wordsmith.org/words/potlatch.mp3 MEANING: *noun:* 1. A party or get-together. 2. A ceremonial festival among American Indians of the Pacific Northwest involving feasts, lavish gift giving, dances, etc. ETYMOLOGY: From Chinook Jargon, from Nootka patshatl (to give, gift). USAGE: '[The youth ambassadors] were coming to the biggest potlatch in the world, sharing and developing a sense of pride in who they are,' Diane Strand says. Shelley Fralic; World's Biggest Potlatch Changing Attitudes; Vancouver Sun (Canada); Feb 24, 2010. Explore potlatch http://visualthesaurus.com/?w1=potlatch in the Visual Thesaurus. A THOUGHT FOR TODAY: Twin Mystery. To many people artists seem / undisciplined and lawless. / Such laziness, with such great gifts, / seems little short of crime. / One mystery is how they make / the things they make so flawless; / another, what they're doing with / their energy and time. -Piet Hein, poet and scientist (1905-1996) *Sponsored by:* Enjoy Brilliant College Courses in Your Homehttp://clickserve.cc-dt.com/link/tplclick?lid=4100027373010pubid=210237607 The Great Courses on DVD, CD, and Audio Download. Save 70%! Save 70%! Great Courses by Top US Professorshttp://clickserve.cc-dt.com/link/tplclick?lid=4100027373006pubid=210237607 The most engaging professors from America's top universities in your home. How to sponsor? http://wordsmith.org/awad/ad.html Unsubscribehttp://wordsmith.org/awad/subscriber-form.cgi?request=unsubusername=jim%2ecroft%40gmail%2ecom| Subscribe http://wordsmith.org/awad/subscribe.html | Update addresshttp://wordsmith.org/awad/subscriber-form.cgi?request=address-changeusername=jim%2ecroft%40gmail%2ecom| Gift subscriptionhttp://wordsmith.org/awad/subscriber-form.cgi?request=giftusername=jim%2ecroft%40gmail%2ecom| Contact ushttp://wordsmith.org/awad/subscriber-form.cgi?request=feedbackusername=jim%2ecroft%40gmail%2ecom © 2010 Wordsmith.org -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] At last! a useful dataset! :)
http://data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/victorian-microbreweries/54 jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] tennis court land
It could be argued that the location of pools, even if private, would be a valuable knowledgebase in fire and other emergencies. You are not saying whose pool it is, or who has a pool, only that there is a pool at this location. But I would nevertheless be interested in the privacy implications, given that you can see them with google and similar. jim On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:28 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Ive been wondering about the idea of mapping private pools in the same way as private tennis courts have been marked, but been worried about some issues, particularly privacy. With the mapping of tennis courts taking place, is there any reason to not start mapping out private pools in the suburbs? Is there any existing tagging for this? -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tennis court land
come the revolution, comrades! :) jim On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Check it out: http://osm.org/go/uGm91mHAN- I cracked up when I saw it. We can blame lakeboy for this one... Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Nearmap for Canberra
there is a strange red hatchback with black roof-racks and a black AK47 spray stenciled on its bonnet parked in my driveway! and the shadecloth on my pergola needs repairing in one corner... :( I kid you not... I just zoomed in... :) jim On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: I've only just put the announcement on the NearMap forum! http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-35.266365,149.135284z=11t=h will show you the coverage area. Cheers b On 18 February 2010 12:27, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: I see that Canberra is now online. - Ben. Sent from my HTC ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ben Last Development Manager (HyperWeb) NearMap Pty Ltd ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
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Re: [talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
nice - that would be a great help... how long before the images are visible? jim On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: If it's helps, NearMap started flying a Canberra survey yesterday. 2010/1/14 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: Canberra seems to be fairly well covered OSM-wise although there are still lots of detail that could be added. But there is one obvious blank bit that might be fun to fill in - the Australian National Botanic Gardens. It is a public place so you do not really have to get permission to wander around, and it has it all: roads, fences, swing gates, boom gates, areas, paths, service roads, several different surface treatments, bridges, buildings, speed bumps, pedestrian crossings, directional signs, interpretive signs, POIs, car parking, parking meters, shared roads, benches, shelters, water bubblers, fire hydrants, standpipes, a shop and importantly, a cafe. And all condensed into a manageable area. Given this concentration of OSM features in microcosm, mapping the ANBG might be a good OSM training ground. What would Canberra OSMers think of this as a map-up project? We could just do it although I think it would be a good idea to talk with the management about it first if it is considered worth doing. Disclaimer. I work there :), which might be a good or a bad thing in terms of negotiating access and support from the organization. For instance a classroom with an internet computer and projector might be useful for training in the editing tools or arguing about (sorry, discussing) presentation features and tags, etc. The place has been surveyed a number of times and it should be possible to get permission to use some of this information. jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Ben Last Development Manager (HyperWeb) NearMap Pty Ltd ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] date time formats
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[talk-au] OSM in Haiti
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[talk-au] Interactive map of scale of Haiti earthquake
Not strictly OSM, but worth a look to see the distribution and scale of the impact http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/haiti-earthquake/map.htm jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Canberra - last white spot on the map
Canberra seems to be fairly well covered OSM-wise although there are still lots of detail that could be added. But there is one obvious blank bit that might be fun to fill in - the Australian National Botanic Gardens. It is a public place so you do not really have to get permission to wander around, and it has it all: roads, fences, swing gates, boom gates, areas, paths, service roads, several different surface treatments, bridges, buildings, speed bumps, pedestrian crossings, directional signs, interpretive signs, POIs, car parking, parking meters, shared roads, benches, shelters, water bubblers, fire hydrants, standpipes, a shop and importantly, a cafe. And all condensed into a manageable area. Given this concentration of OSM features in microcosm, mapping the ANBG might be a good OSM training ground. What would Canberra OSMers think of this as a map-up project? We could just do it although I think it would be a good idea to talk with the management about it first if it is considered worth doing. Disclaimer. I work there :), which might be a good or a bad thing in terms of negotiating access and support from the organization. For instance a classroom with an internet computer and projector might be useful for training in the editing tools or arguing about (sorry, discussing) presentation features and tags, etc. The place has been surveyed a number of times and it should be possible to get permission to use some of this information. jim -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Default access restrictions
Nope. See this: http://www.netspeed.com.au/cr/bicycle/features/footpath.htm in particular: LEGISLATION Legal authority to enable cyclists to use all footpaths was provided in a 1974 amendment of the ACT Traffic Act 1937 (2), which stated that: A person shall not - ...drive, ride or wheel a vehicle, other than a bicycle... on a footpath This amendment was constrained by only two other sections of the Act. Firstly, that a person should not ride a bicycle on a footpath where No Bicycles signs had been erected, and secondly, that a person should not ride a bicycle within 10 metres of a shop doorway at a time when that shop is open... Since the enactment of the above legislation, there has been only one instance where it has been deemed appropriate to install No Bicycles signs on footpaths. This was where the city administration wished to discourage bicycles within the congested City bus interchange, where the bus operators considered cyclists to be a safety hazard to buses moving through the interchange. In addition to this blanket approval to cycle on footpaths, the 1974 legislation went further in providing for the gazettal of Bicycle Paths. These are paths restricted to use by bicycle riders only. All other persons, whether a pedestrian, vehicle driver or a person leading an animal were to be excluded. In practice however, the Bicycle Path legislation proved unworkable in terms of definition and enforcement, and the Section was repealed in 1990. The present position in the ACT is therefore that all footpaths are available for joint use by pedestrians and cyclists. But especially this: http://www.tams.act.gov.au/move/cycling/cycling_and_walking_map/road_rules jim On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:02 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Im fairly sure ACT law doesnt allow riding on footpaths, only designated bicycle paths. A quick google, shows SA[0] and WA[1] have the same rules. It appears that the QLD rules are different to the rest of the country, so if we adopted a national standard, only QLD mappers would be affected by their states differing laws. -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
does not work... only a handful of the named national parks are of national jurisdiction and management (Uluru, Kakadu, Booderee, Norfolk and Christmas Island, etc.) The majority are run be the States and Territories. For clarity, a separate jurisdiction tag would be required. jim On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/4 Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com: How do we distinguish between National Parks, State Parks, State Forests and the like? The name? Such and such state park Such and such national park? State forests are usually state owned logging areas. Have started adding forest areas from the landsat imagery and have been attributing as natural=wood, but I haven't found anything that would allow Not all national parks are wooded, like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson_Desert_National_Park me to better distinguish these areas. Obviously a National park is totally different from a State Park in terms of what can/not be done. It would also That's a land use issue... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
Careful with NI, CI and JB - the entire territory is not national park. jim On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:35 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/4 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: does not work... only a handful of the named national parks are of national jurisdiction and management (Uluru, Kakadu, Booderee, Norfolk and Christmas Island, etc.) The majority are run be the States and Territories. For clarity, a separate jurisdiction tag would be required. Norfolk Island and Christmas Island most of those are tagged as Australian external territories, but not tagged with a state tag. Jervis Bay is tagged as federal territory, not state... -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
yep - and my point was that although many parks are called national, the aren't. Royal, Namadgi, etc. In the mix we also have, wilderness areas, reserves, natural heritage arras and nature reserves of various descriptions. I think there might be an international classification/ontology of protected areas. Will have a look for it... jim On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 7:57 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/4 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: Careful with NI, CI and JB - the entire territory is not national park. I was just pointing out they were outside territory of the states, and listed as federal/capital territory, even if the national park doesn't take up the entire area... -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Distinguish between National, State etc parks
ok - world database of protected areas - database is available for download http://www.wdpa.org/ it's a UN thing so it is almost certainly available for public use in a (c) sense. the IUCN management categories are here http://www.unep-wcmc.org/protected_areas/categories/index.html jim On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Jim Croft wrote: I think there might be an international classification/ontology of protected areas. Will have a look for it... now that is against the spirit of the OSM wiki isn't it? you can't use any outside material. it must be copyright so we will invent our own classification :^ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping road closures...
iso 8601: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 jim On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem with this scheme is you can't do, first sunday of the month for example. Surely someone in some field has already come across this problem before - i.e. surely someone's already developed a formal language for specification of time/date info? Don't have time to search right now, but if it has been done it would be good to not reinvent the wheel... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping road closures...
think it might have to be derived, e.g. http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/vb-date2.htm#Month http://code.google.com/p/datejs/ jim On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 3:46 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/2 Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com: iso 8601: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 I'm still trying to figure out if that would cover things like first sunday, third saturday of a month, do you know how to write this in iso8601 format? -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 ~ http://www.google.com/profiles/jim.croft 'A civilized society is one which tolerates eccentricity to the point of doubtful sanity.' - Robert Frost, poet (1874-1963) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] mapping animals in the streets
:)
http://www.kartozoologi.no/English/animals.html
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[talk-au] roads, maps, remoteness...
http://www.newscientist.com/gallery/small-world
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Re: [talk-au] Vote on highway=nonexistent
isn't problem with all this the word in the tag 'nonexistent' is
ambiguous in that it could refers to (at least) three things:
. A road that has never never existed but is/was 'planned' - e.g.
Monash Dr in Canberra
. A road that used to exist but is now 'overgrown', 'rerouted', washed
away, etc.
. A road that never existed other than on a map, either by mistake or
by intent (e.g. easter eggs)
It would seem that lumping all under a single tag perpetuates
ambiguity and confusion.
In any case, they are mapping artifacts that should be recorded even
if thy are not rendered by default. If they are not recorded and
explained they will keep coming up and and people will keep revisiting
and spending time on the issue.
jim
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:03 AM, swanilli swani...@gmail.com wrote:
I forgot to vote myself:
1. No
2. No
2009/10/26 swanilli swani...@gmail.com
The current suggestion in
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines is that
roads that do not yet exist be tagged highway=nonexistent.
There are two key questions to be answered:
1. Should such roads be entered into OSM?
2. If they are to be entered, should they be tagged highway=nonexistent?
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Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails
gmail threads messages by topic by default which reduces clutter and
takes a lot of the pain out of cleanup :)
jim
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 18:24:26 +1000
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/10/6 Liz ed...@billiau.net:
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Jeff Price wrote:
G'day all,
Any chance folks could take some conversations offline, or batch
up their 15 emails into a single email? I presume I'm not the
only one who has pretty well stopped paying any real attention to
the talk-au list because its carrying on like a Twitter feed.
Jeff.
if you get the list emailed as a digest ( an option you can set at
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ) you have that
easily.
This makes it difficult to take part in conversations in a thread-safe
way.
Alternatively emails can be either sent to a new mail account just for
mailing list(s) emails or filtered differently from personal emails.
I'm sorry, you've got the onus for change on completely the wrong side.
The tweeters are the offending parties in this case, and also in the
minority. They should adapt their behaviour to those of us who follow
standard behavioural norms and who consider others, instead of the
other way around.
There are more suitable channels, as Jeff pointed out, or start your
own list.
The serious effect of this chatter, whether I digest or not, is that I
miss a lot of important stuff because it's buried in the noise, which I
tend to skim. Please think it through with other people and the
net(work) effect in mind.
Wiki vote, perhaps?
Cheers, hopefully not for the last time.
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Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline
For OSM purposes (as opposed to general mapping) the answer should not
be complicated. If at high tide you drive into the water, you have
driven over a functional coast into the sea... :)
Of course, this won't work for mariners and lawyers... :)
My favourite estuary is the Fly River in PNG. It just gets gradually
wider and wider and wider. Somewhere the river becomes the ocean.
And there is no way to tell where it happens...
jim
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:35 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/10/6 James Livingston doc...@mac.com:
On 06/10/2009, at 2:12 PM, John Smith wrote:
Lake Eyre etc is so big they used natural=coastline... Although this
comes back to the question the other day, where does the coastline
start/end, legally speaking it cuts across bays, it doesn't go round
them or up rivers...
I looked into this a while back and it's somewhat contentious. The
best I could figure out (which is quite possibly wrong) is that a
coastline ends and a river starts when there are no longer any tidal
significant effects. It's easiest to see if you have a slope, such as
a sandy beach. Consider the following, where at some point the high
and low tide levels get close enough to be negligable
I realise this is potentially a very contensious issue.
If you look at this from the point of view of territorial waters the
coastline is from either the high or low tide marks, they spell it out
in legalese and I can't remember off the top of my head, but the coast
line cuts across any river/delta/bay mouths, except where the bay is
partially inhabited by another country and then it's usually by
seperate agreement.
I honestly don't know which way is best to go here, since all
definitions are reasonably subjective and would also depend on average
tide conditions and so on and so forth.
Another way we could look at this is to find out where salt and fresh
water mix, but this too is probably tide and rainfall related.
We also have the SRTM data which could be used to estimate elevation
of water above mean sea levels, which would also depend on
tide/rainfall at the time the STRM mission flew.
At the point where it changes from coastline to riverbank, you
obviously need to have the coastline run across the river, so as to
form closed shape. Whether you're supposed to have the riverbank do
the same to form a closed shape, I don't know.
Actually it's the opposite, coastlines aren't really closed ways as
there is no single coastline polygon or multipolygon, riverbanks on
the other hand must be closed and must be either less than 2000 nodes
or have a multipolygon relation.
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Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag
I had never really thought of this before, but land traveller and
mariner have quite different concepts of what it means to reach 'the
coast'. For the former it is when you get your feet wet, for the
latter it is when you run into something. And there are places where
there is quite a gap between the two.
Given that OSM is a land-based project, the mean high water mark is
probably might be the best to use.
jim
Practically, what is the coastline used for?
Aside from defining the outline of Australia, anything you want to. I know
someone who is using it in a gps program along side their nautical charts,
not for navigation purely as an educational exercise.
Cheers
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Re: [talk-au] Our own satellite imagery?
$150 gives you a feed from space... ;)
http://www.universetoday.com/2009/09/21/reaching-near-space-for-less-than-150/
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On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:17 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/9/27 terryc ter...@woa.com.au:
John Smith wrote:
Sydney is 1788 sq km according to wikipedia at $12/sq km comes out at
Can you explain the $12/sqkms.
Sat imagery with a non-profit discount is about US$12/sq km
(That 1788 sqkms sounds awfully small to me, but anyway)
I looked again area is 12144.6 km² (I really must stop emailing late
at night), so at US$12/sq km = $145,000 The prices must have
dropped compared to what is on the OSM wiki which estimated the price
at $300k
Is that possible under OSM?
We'd need a legal entity to do it under, however there is nothing I
know of that would prevent us from on selling/licensing assets the
legal entity produces to further fund itself.
(There is also the question of the established competition).
This is the question, can we provide our own imagery cheaper than
others already doing it?
Which is probably yes, at that point could we use it as a funding source?
Instead of onselling/licensing the imagery we could see if Yahoo or
someone is interested in the results and willing to fund us to do
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Re: [talk-au] Norfolk Island
when I was there a few years ago they even had a roundabout painted at
an intersection, someone said to make Canberrans feel at home.
Everyone drove straight over it... :)
jim
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:09 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Thu, 13/8/09, Rob Kemp motosu...@hotmail.com wrote:
I can see why the streets wouldn't be tagged
Residential. Houses or
other buildings are generally well spaced (as in a
semi-rural area).
Last time I was there max speed on the island was 50 kmph
(Not that
you'd want to do much faster than that on most of the
roads). Roads
are generally fairly narrow. Maybe Tertiary would be
a better tag?
Sounds more like unclassified, I just updated the wiki deff on the Australia
Tagging Guideline page to put things in line with the euro-centric/German
view of things.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Australian_Road_Tagging
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[talk-au] Javascript map api abstraction thingy
Did I miss this on this list? any Oz implementations?
http://mapstraction.com/
with osm support and demo:
http://mapstraction.com/demo.php?map=openstreetmap
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Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL License + Outline Procedure
interesting... In another life (the one that pays the bills) I work with a team, several in fact, that collects and manages biodiversity 'facts' (hundreds of millions of them: this species of plant or animal was found here, then, etc. - hence the lurking fascination with OSM). This large national and international community of professional 'fact collectors' (see for example, www.gbif.org) wants to make their facts and the visualization of these facts freely available and they are leaning towards the Creative Commons and the related Science Commons licenses. Putting words into their mouths, I think the argument would be that the decision-making involved in selection, storage, management and display of these fact is indeed a creative act, even though the facts themselves aren't. A blank screen magically comes alive - a map with dots, lines, symbols, colours and most importantly, communicated meaning. Sure smells like creativity to me... I wonder if the Renaissance cartographers, or any cartographers for that matter, would regard their work as not creative? A well rendered informative and accurate map is a beautiful thing. They don't just happen; someone must have created them. It is the feel-good creativity of OSMers seeking, finding and documenting facts and putting them in maps for public good that has made it pretty difficult to leave this forum... :) I will continue to keep an eye on the open database model - in some circumstances it might be just the right tool for the job. jim On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 2:45 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: On 28/02/2009, at 12:17 PM, Jim Croft wrote: Out of curiosity, would one of the Creative Commons (http://creativecommons.org/) licenses be able to provide thefunctionality and the flexibility we might need? Basically, no - what is why the Open Database Licence is being worked on. Essentially the problem is that while Creative Commons is fine for creative works, OSM pretty much a collection of facts rather than a creative work. I haven't looked into all the details, but I believe that ODbL tries to use database copyright when such a concept exists in a particular countries legal system and other mechanisms when it doesn't. Cheers, James Livingston ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ jim.cr...@gmail.com ~ +61-2-62509499 Words, as is well known, are the great foes of reality. - Joseph Conrad, author (1857-1924) I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. - attributed to Robert McCloskey, US State Department spokesman ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] place=?
How about this? http://www.gisca.adelaide.edu.au/web_aria/aria/aria.html a remoteness index for Australia http://www.gisca.adelaide.edu.au/products_services/ariav2_about.html You could invent a 'townyness' metric based on the product of the variables of the settlement's population and its remoteness... :) jim On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Sam Couter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Should we tag rural towns and localities as significant centres to accurately reflect their role in the surrounding area, even when they have a low population? + Yes, Some towns have very low population counts, but are very significant administrative and service centres to the surrounding communities. They are a real towns, and not just localities. We should reflect this reality on the map with the place= tag. You're asking people to make a subjective judgement here. This will vary greatly and cause arguments that can't really be settled. Population data shouldn't be entered at all.. It just extra information to get out of date, and it can be obtained elsewhere. Lets focus on what OSM does best, mapping to reflect the reality on the ground. Population count is reality, and it's objective and hard to argue with. A compromise may be to note the population in the shire/county rather than just within the town itself. This often reflects its importance in the region. And of course the renderer may become smart enough to consider smaller places more important when they're a long way from other places. -- Sam Couter | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkk2Vf0ACgkQhTADrt6Jx1w1HACcDNZ5cNRramKYWy3em1AMgq0F MjYAnRWbUTSkxzsYO0YOmdzAdD2KZgYW =zBXc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ +61-2-62509499 Words, as is well known, are the great foes of reality. - Joseph Conrad, author (1857-1924) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Google nearly up to date
why just map it? ... here's the real thing: http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8om=1z=16ll=-6.731823,146.996298spn=0.01952,0.026951t=k jim On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Nick Hocking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats nufin - Google maps will navigate you right across the runway of Avalon Airport.. They must have been practicing for mapping the runway at Gibraltar - at least they got that one right. The latest Sensis mapping has that error but the latest Navteq ones don't - Strange. The accuracy on the commercial mapping varies wildly. In the Adelaide hills the Sensis maps are excellent. I only found two tiny errors and they were completely inconsequential. Elsewhere the mapping can be completely useless. In Binalong, for example the Sensis maps are out by about 50 metres, which means that your car navigation system never knows which street it is on. Tathra had this problem (93 metres out) in the V13 release but the newer R14 maps have been corrected. If the commercial mappers cared at all about accuracy (which I don't think they do - Yet) they have the perfect tool available to address the problem (OSM). All they have to do is compare their maps to the OSM data, and where they are different, they send someone out to see who got it right. Talking of accuracy - I mapped two streets in Yass and I think that I've got one of them wrong. I must have either misread the street sign or I have made a typo whilst editing. Does anyone have authoritave information (from a non copyrighted source) of the correct name for what I've tagged as Ross Street. (I think it may well be Rossi Street). Nick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- _ Jim Croft [EMAIL PROTECTED] Words, as is well known, are the great foes of reality. - Joseph Conrad, author (1857-1924) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Google nearly up to date
Interesting. Just been checking out suburban intersections in Canberra using GSV and while you can often find the signpost, you can rarely read the street names on them. Sometimes on a narrow street T- intersection, if the car was on the left hand side of the road, close to the sign, you can just make out the letters. [ Also interesting, the blue GSV route overlays are sometimes quite inaccurate WRT the air photos. Check out Academy Close in Campbell and the Russell offices at the end of Northcott Drive - in both cases the road goes through buildings. It is not just a matter of registration and misalignment - the shape is wrong. Note also in this area the street view map and the street map are out of alignment by 5 or 6 m or more. Easter eggery or simple shoddiness? ] Why would the copyright and associated fair use provisions of the GSV be any different to the rest of Google maps and other Google offerings? Whether you decide to use GSV as base data, or third party confirmation, the above examples show you really need to check and confirm everything independently. jim On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 2:23 AM, James Andrewartha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - which reminds me, what are the legalities of getting names from street view? -- _ Jim Croft [EMAIL PROTECTED] Words, as is well known, are the great foes of reality. - Joseph Conrad, author (1857-1924) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Tracing items.
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:34 PM, Andrew Loughhead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good grief. Can we please all calm down? Really there is no need for such aggressive emails here. Aggressive? You have obviously never witnessed the mortal combat of a real flame war. This is nothing - just a bunch of pussies tugging at a ball of string... I have been on lists where there have been threats of legal action and people have been excommunicated and banned for life! :) And thats the thing. I liked tracing, and I liked getting the circles and curves of older Canberra to be just right. Yahoo was a great way to do it, and I think arguably much better than GPS, for shape. Yahoo imagery is a little out of date sometimes, where roads have been realigned, but I live here, and drive through these areas, and I doubt I have traced any errors. Overall, I got to scratch my itch. At the foundation of this is the core of what OSM is - it is an Open Street *Map*. And maps are not reality; they are a functional representation. If we think we are building a community GIS then we totally are using the wrong tool set. For a street map it does not really matter that that every wrinkle is accurate and precise down to the finest resolution (the mere fact we fatten streets to accommodate their names ensures perpetual inaccuracy); only that the representation is meaningful. The extreme of this is the London Underground map - totally inaccurate spatially, but absolutely meaningful (I never get bored on the Underground because I spend the whole time reflecting on the transcendent zen-like reality, yet unreality, of this map). I lurk (also in inner north Canberra) on OSM not just because I like the visualization of spatial relationships, but because I find the sociology of a community building something fascinating (in the same way I am mesmerized by Wikipedia, not by its content and its coverage, but by the fact it exists at all and seems to work). If I want a pretty, well rendered, well registered and authoritative local map I use things like ACT Locate and ACTMAPi which are built on a grunty GIS; but I I want to feel good, I delve onto OSM. And the feeling good has nothing to do with the quality, coverage and presentation of the map, but with the fact that it exists at all and seems to work. An interesting about community information management projects, and I am involved in and contribute to a number, is that they never go exactly in the direction you want them to, but with a bit of effort you can sometimes influence the direction in which they are pointed. This is pretty confronting for control freaks, but fascinating to part of and witness in action... :) jim _ Jim Croft [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know why we are here, but I'm pretty sure that it is not in order to enjoy ourselves. - Ludwig Wittgenstein, philosopher (1889-1951) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] facts
In relation to our copyright discussions, the following might be of interest: http://sciencecommons.org/weblog/archives/2008/05/12/how-to-free-your-facts/ attribution stacking is an interesting concept... jim -- _ Jim Croft [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know why we are here, but I'm pretty sure that it is not in order to enjoy ourselves. - Ludwig Wittgenstein, philosopher (1889-1951) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-au
